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In this gripping episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush invites Harry Fisher, author and frontline paramedic, to share his firsthand experiences witnessing the unseen consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic. Fisher details harrowing stories from the front lines of medical care, challenging the narratives pushed by those in power and exposing what he calls a silent genocide. Engage with the discourse on societal and cultural changes brought on by the pandemic, as Fisher and other guests discuss the divisions and hidden mandates that continue to influence the lives of many. Harry outlines his journey from a paramedic witnessing unusual
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Payton. Of course, Charlie Grimes, your engineer. Harry Fisher joining us now. As I said earlier, he would be author of Safe and Effective for Profit, a paramedic story exposing American genocide. Harry, welcome. How are you? Hey, doing well. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. By the way, you are in good company. We have been talking about some of these things literally since COVID has been going on. We’ve got a doctor, Dr. Kelly Victory. I don’t know if you’ve heard of her, but she’s been joining us literally every week and is on the front lines of a lot of what you are talking about. And I’m excited to hear from you, by the way, because it’s not often we get to talk to somebody who’s actually on the front lines, literally the way you are. So explain some of the things you actually saw.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, Dr. Kelly, she’s great people. I talked to her with Dr. Drew not too long ago. Absolutely, yes. Good, but I guess one of the first things that I saw was the fact that people were dying in the actual Pfizer lines. That was what started my whole process of trying to wake people up. I was called out to a scene where someone died after taking their shot, and the nurse there actually said this is the second one in two weeks. So as far as I know, in that one line, two people died within two weeks, but that’s the only ones that I know. I mean, that never made front-page news. You didn’t see that everywhere else. So there’s no telling how many people died.
SPEAKER 16 :
To your point, Harry, as you know, that stuff didn’t fit the narrative of what the politicians and I really feel like the Marxists, that didn’t fit the narrative, so there was no way they were going to let the public know that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, no, they’re never going to let you know when they’re killing you. I mean, at this point, I would love to say that it was an accident or just an experiment gone wrong. But whenever you start censoring people like me who are trying to go, hey, I’m on the front line trying to warn you, they’re trying to kill you and you censor me, then that’s intent. So they’re trying to kill you. I mean, how do you say that nicer?
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Harry, did you notice a number of people in the medical community basically covering this up?
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m covering it up. They’re just too scared to talk about it. Most of them are just way too scared. I mean, in the last three weeks, I’ve lost a job because I wouldn’t give the COVID shots. And this is twenty twenty four. And they all see this happen. And even my friends that are in the field right now get a hold of me on the fly and they go, Harry, why do you keep talking about it? Well, because they’re killing you and your family because they’re still doing it. You don’t have to take the shot anymore.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. No, no. What I’m saying is your answer is because they’re still doing it. That’s why. Yeah, because it’s happening.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, they’re not mandating it anymore, but… But they are.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’re not mandating it, Harry, but I know. I’ve been around enough. I’ve got some situations going on in my own family with my folks. My mom recently passed. My dad’s in memory care. And I can tell you just from being around more of that than I probably ever have been or, frankly, Harry, want to be. I’m a car guy, not a doctor. But I have seen and watched and heard things and been around things that, to your point, it’s not that they’re requiring it, but they’re still heavily pushing it.
SPEAKER 15 :
then they are still actually requiring it. Yes, they are heavily pushing it to your point, but they are requiring it depending on where you’re trying to get a job. Like I’ve tried to get a job since I recently got fired for not giving the shots. I tried to get a job and they told me, unless you have your shot and an up-to-date booster, we can’t hire you. So even though they need people to the tune of paying way too much money for people, they still won’t hire you unless you’re up to date on your poisonous booster shot. So that’s still happening to this day.
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Harry, with Trump obviously nominating RFK, this is going to change lightning fast. This is going to do a 180 with the public, oh, come about January 20th. Are you a little surprised that there are still people costing you jobs over this? I mean, they see what’s coming. They know everything they’re pushing is about to go to rubble.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, no, I’m not surprised because you have such a division. I mean, you have the cult of the—you literally have the cult of the abort baby mindset, transgender mindset, take your poisonous Fauci shot mindset, and then you have people that are saying, going, hey, how about you go ahead and give real bodily autonomy, not kill people, but allow us to not take poison. So, no, there’s such a great divide. that breaking through to the other side is going to take massive amounts of deprogramming. I mean, deprogram a cult overnight? I don’t think that’s going to happen just because RFK… That’s right.
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No, they’re in denial. Andy and I, after we’re done with you here, we’re going to talk about how the left is losing culture. And by the way, part of what you’re talking about in this, in my opinion, is part of the reason why they are, because there are still a lot, we saw it in the election, a lot of sane individuals out there that know a lot of this stuff being pushed right now is absolute rubbish.
SPEAKER 15 :
Agreed. It’s literally Munchausen syndrome meets Stockholm syndrome. You have basically brainwashed people that have been abused by the system completely and try to get through to just an abused spouse. Like I’ve ran calls as a paramedic on an abused spouse and try to get them to report their husbands. Try to get people to report their daddy government that’s been beating them for all their lives.
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You know, Harry, I can only disagree with you on one point. I think the medical community, a lot of them are silent on this, not just because they’re afraid, but because they’re activists. They are part of the cult that you’re talking about. Yeah, they are part of the cult that you’re talking about. They have been pushing this drug and pushing and pushing and pushing, and now they can’t go back.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, no, they can. I mean, they poison themselves. I mean, imagine you’re sitting in the middle of Jonestown, right, as they drink. They already drank the Kool-Aid, and you’re trying to tell them, hey, guess what? That Kool-Aid was poison. That’s where we live.
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Yeah, yeah. And the other thing, too, don’t forget, both of you, and Harry, you know this as well, Andy, you do also, that when you’re caught up in all of this, It’s really hard now, four years later, especially in the medical community, to admit I was wrong. I never should have done the things that I did with patients and so on. It’s really hard to go back and admit that. Am I correct, Harry?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s completely correct because once they admit they were wrong, once these shots get pulled out off the market and they admit they are wrong, You’re going to have lawsuits central. So they not only have the fact that their human ego is going, don’t admit you’re wrong, back in their subconscious. They have the conscious going, oh, God, as soon as I admit I’m wrong, all these people in my community that have died are going to start suing me. So they have a multifaceted reason for shutting the hell up.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, Harry, for those who don’t listen to, John always talks about this on Thursday, but this is Tuesday. For those who don’t hear that, they may be hearing you say, this is poison, this is poison. Can you maybe talk about just a few of the, shall we say, results that you have seen of people taking these shots and the boosters?
SPEAKER 15 :
I’ve seen anything from young strokes, young heart attacks. I ran a under 14-year-old playing kickball, just completely had a stroke playing kickball. I ran to the school. stroked out playing kickball, had their second Pfizer shot within weeks. I’ve seen so many bad things at this point, just singling out one. it’s a sea of that.
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And you’ve seen a dramatic increase in this because of the shutdown. Yeah, that was my next question, Harry, because I know the answer, because as Andy said, I’ve been talking to Dr. Kelly on Thursdays, literally now for four-plus years, the first hour every Thursday. For those of you listening that maybe want to tune in on that, you can even go back and listen to past episodes all the way back through COVID. But, Harry, because of talking to her, I kind of know this answer, but tell the listeners— How many of those types of events did you see in your field prior to this?
SPEAKER 15 :
None. I’ve never seen a young stroke under 14 years. That wasn’t a thing. You never saw young and healthy. You would see young children that were born with deformities or born just very rare. And that still was very rare that you would ever run those calls. Maybe once in 10 or 15 years you would ever see something weird like that. After the shots came out, you would see it consistently. Like the things that I’ve seen have been consistent, so much so that you were running to the same schools three or four times a day on an ambulance. Wow. And even all of us in the medical field were going. Like in the medical community, we would talk and be like, did you run any vaccines today? We call them vaccines.
SPEAKER 16 :
I love it, vaccines. Well, it’s funny you say that because my wife and I, as all of this was happening and unfolding, you know, through COVID and so on, and once COVID ended and the shots came out and so on, what we noticed, we happen to live in an area of town to where there’s a street not far and we can hear, you know, the different types of traffic that would go by, i.e. fire trucks and ambulances. And I will tell you that our population, yes, it may have grown some, although there’s a lot of people now that are even working from home and such that weren’t even doing that prior to COVID. So I would be one to say that I’m not even sure traffic Harry is what it was prior to COVID, at least here in the Denver area. So where I’m going with this is. we now sure hear and see a lot more of the ambulances rolling by than we ever did prior to COVID. And I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not at all. During COVID, actually, we slowed down immensely. I could take a nap on the job easy during COVID. During COVID, most people were not going out. And our children’s hospital in Oklahoma City, which is one of the bigger children’s hospitals, it was completely empty most of the time. Whenever they started giving the shots and opening back up, it flooded. It was insane, the difference. So we were hearing on the TV, that’s one of the first times I noticed how big the lie was, is when the TV was going, everyone’s flooded and overran. And I was taking a nap. And then whenever they started giving the shots that were supposedly safe, we were getting destroyed.
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There you go. All right, the book, Safe and Effective, For Profit, The Paramedic’s Story Exposing American Genocide. Harry, where can folks get the book?
SPEAKER 15 :
You can get the book at fishersbook.com or you can buy it on Amazon. I appreciate you getting it at fishersbook.com. Don’t give Amazon all your money. But that being said, if you do give Amazon your money, I appreciate you buying the book either way and giving the info out there. And please rate the book out there on Amazon. That way we can get some info.
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Harry, thank you. We appreciate it. Appreciate what you’re doing and even getting the word out there. And, again, we’re very fortunate to have been aligned with somebody like Dr. Kelly even as a program and be able to have some of the insight and even then talking to folks like yourself. We’ve got to continue to get the word out because there’s still a lot of people out there listening that have never heard some of the things we’re talking about.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. She’s good people, and she’s actually in the book. She’s a friend of mine, and she’s in the book.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John. Yes. The reason I bring up the culture is, and I’m looking for the article. Sorry, I’ve been kind of busy. Okay. It’s all right. But there was a Democrat… who’s in pretty high ranking. And he said, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He was working on the Kamala campaign and he worked on their, their, um, online stuff. Okay. And he said, this is when I knew that we had lost the culture. And in his case, it was because they couldn’t get her booked on sports channels. And the Democrats have owned sports channels. In fact, ESPN has been to the left of CNN, MSNBC. It’s Disney. Yeah, they’re Disney. But even before Disney bought them.
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They were going that way that just got worse as Disney bought them.
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Right. ESPN had been full-fledged, all-out flat Marxist. Absolutely. And yet he realized, my gosh, we can’t get her booked on these sports shows and hear Trump, you know, is being booked. And so they were wondering, he said at this point, he said, I realized that we had a real problem. I wanted to ask you, I think it’s it started well before this election.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I would go back a few years. But when did you think when do you think Democrats started losing the culture? Because the Democrats have owned the culture for decades.
SPEAKER 16 :
When they started lying to people over COVID, a lot of what we just talked about with the last paramedic and the book that he wrote and some of the things we talked to Dr. Kelly about, that’s not all of it, but that is a large portion of it. When people, Andy, and we’ve talked about this many times, people started realizing that, wait a minute, there’s not been one death of a kid, and yet we’ve shut schools down, and I’m having to now basically homeschool my kid because the school and my tax dollars won’t, and, and, and. We just keep piling on the things they started to notice.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and also parents started to notice that the teachers were really fighting against coming back to work. It was easy. Right. They want to stay at home. So all these teachers who are paid by your tax dollars and who don’t have to compete for their jobs and get tenure, and they’re stuck in there forever. Well, okay, that’s college. But you know what I mean. I know what you mean. It’s the same thing. Try firing a high school teacher. Good luck with that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Unless they’ve done some sort of criminal act, good luck.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, good luck. And they were seeing them not want to come back to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. So you take that, you take, of course, add inflation into it, which, again, even though she and the campaign wanted to blame all of that on Trump, people aren’t that dumb, Andy. They can look back pre-COVID and say, well, wait a minute, I wasn’t paying that much for gas and milk and eggs and bread and the staples that I have to buy, you know, laundry soap and so on. I didn’t have to pay these exorbitant prices back then, but… But I am now. And wait a minute. You guys were in charge really through the second half of COVID. And we’ve now got this sort of inflation. And no matter what Kamala says on the campaign trail, you guys caused this. And yet you have nothing to fix this with. And then you pile that on top, Andy, of all the other things we just got done mentioning. And oh, wait a minute. Then let’s add in. oh, it’s okay for boys to play in women’s sports, and it’s okay to teach a kid that’s 10 or 11 years old that they can change their gender, and, and, and. I mean, you add all these things on, and then you wonder why you lost the culture. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And look, I think there were a number of major, not minor, major steps. I think the way the left treated COVID is one of the major steps. Let me put one before it and one after it. Okay. True. Can’t argue that. True. Then and you had a number of NFL owners who quite honestly leaned left. Now, a lot of them lean right. But the ones who leaned right were all silent. They never spoke on on politics. And the ones on the left could be outspoken.
SPEAKER 16 :
And really quick before any of you start saying, well, that means they just flip flop. No, keep in mind. No, no, no, no. Careers in the NFL, especially. Are very short. So the same people in most cases, Andy, there’s more exceptions to ballplayers that play, you know, 8, 10, 12 years. That’s rare. Most of those guys are two and a half, three and a half, four years, maybe max. So the reality is, no, guys, these aren’t the same people that were kneeling that all of a sudden had some revelation and they’re not kneeling now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Let me tell you what happened, John, because just this year we saw NFL players wearing MAGA hats, doing the Trump dance. Everything has changed. OK, it started with the kneelers. And here’s what happened. Because for the first time ever. The right decided we will boycott. We will. And you and I, we’re not for hard boycotts, but we are in favor of soft boycotts. In other words, spend your money where you want to. Yeah. Yeah. Spend your money where you want to look for other options. And when people churned off the TV and said, that’s it. When you guys started because kneeling was promoting two things, anti-Americanism and racism. It was racist, pure racist. And until then, all of the conservative players had always been silent on their politics. They had. They were terrified. That’s why Tim Tebow was so unusual. Not that he was political, but he was very Christian at the time. You could be Christian, so was Reggie White, but not political. Not if you were on the right, only on the left. Because what happened then, for the very first time, the players and the coaches and the owners were stunned at the backlash and the amount of lost revenues that they incurred. They’d never had this happen to them before.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, the NFL’s always been on this upward trajectory, and in that particular case, they started to tank. They didn’t tank fully, but they tanked enough to open their eyes to say, owners especially, saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, their numbers went down.
SPEAKER 16 :
We can’t do this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Their numbers went down dramatically. And when players would kneel at the game, there would be boos coming from the crowd. They’d never experienced anything like this because the crowd is looking at them and saying, look, this is racist and it’s anti-American. Now, that changed. And what happened also is that the NFL saw when they got rid of the kneeling what happened. The numbers came back. Everybody came back. Everybody’s happy. Hey, man, just love America. We love you. You love us. Relax. Relax.
SPEAKER 16 :
And sports is supposed to be a place where this doesn’t happen anyways.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Okay. Then the next thing, and this is after COVID, Bud Light. Yeah. Agreed. When they… They did not. You see, Disney had been going through some things. Obviously, you got the big year of Lightyear and Strange World when Disney lost unbelievable sums of money. Now, and Disney, Charlie just sent me a thing.
SPEAKER 16 :
There’s an article today that he sent us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they’re cutting back on their trends. Right. You know, ideology.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hollywood is learning, like the NFL, that, oh, maybe we shouldn’t go down this path.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And why? Because as you and I have constantly said, hey, being trans means you literally believe you are in the wrong body. You’re crazy. I’m sorry. There is no defending trans.
SPEAKER 16 :
You need some mental help.
SPEAKER 03 :
You need help. You literally think you’re in the wrong body. That’s crazy. And when Bud Light lost unbelievable amounts of money, Billions. Yeah. And then Target lost big money. Same thing. That sent shockwaves throughout the industries because keep in mind, corporate America had swung so far to the left. They felt they were untouchable. They felt that they could shove whatever they wanted on the American people and wouldn’t matter. Here’s what happened. What mattered is America stood up and closed their wallets. They closed their wallets with the NFL. They closed their wallets with those things. And meshed in the middle of that, they got angry because COVID, draconian COVID policies. It robbed them. Governors took over their lives.
SPEAKER 16 :
It robbed them. It robbed some of them of their small business. Yes. Some of them, it robbed them of their job. How many businesses? It robbed them of their kids’ educations.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many businesses here in Colorado closed down forever because of Jared Polis?
SPEAKER 16 :
Far too many. Yeah. Once enough, Andy. Far too many, though. Right. And they got tired of being belittled and talked down to and so on. And then pretty soon, you know, this is the other thing that happened is they were told all the way through COVID, just follow the science, follow the science, until the science was proven wrong. And then they were like, screw your science.
SPEAKER 03 :
You guys are wrong. When COVID rifled through the vaccinated community. That’s when things really changed. That’s when a lot of people started saying, wait a minute. All my friends who got vaccinated are getting COVID. Okay. In fact, I got news for you. My friends who are unvaxxed seem a lot healthier than my vaxxed friends.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
America, look, I’m telling you what, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Hell hath no fury like a voter scorned. Voters were looking around saying, my government’s lying to me.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and on top of that, Andy, let’s not forget, as they headed down the stretch into the election. Yeah. All of what you just said, spot on. I did talk about the economy for a moment, but then you pile on the economy, especially now. Right. And you had her running around being asked, what are you going to do to fix the economy that, by the way, you’ve been a part of for the past three and a half years? And all her answers were, well, I was born in a middle class home. I mean, people saw right through that and said, well, what in the world are you talking about, lady? That answer isn’t helping me put groceries on my table. Right. I want the old guy. But these are terrible candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Let me add one last thing. Because the Democrats opened the border wide open for the first time, for the first time, people saw themselves actually being invaded. It was no longer a trickle under the carpet and so forth. It was right out loud in your face. They were taking over buildings. They were taking over everything.
SPEAKER 16 :
Like we saw the arrest today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Job growth in America for the last year, when you take out the jobs going to immigrants, we lost jobs for the last year.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
People were just saying, what is going on? I think that changed the culture, too.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, I think every single one of these things that we have mentioned piled on top of one another. Is why, and if you’re somebody on the left and you can’t see this, which, by the way, I hope you don’t. I hope you’re so egotistical that you don’t see it. Stay stupid. I don’t want you to see this, but if you can’t see this, you’re blind as a bat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because it’s right in front of you as to what’s going on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You know what really happened at the base of all the things we just said? Anti-Americanism.
SPEAKER 16 :
Freedom. Freedom is gone.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because the kneelers were anti-American. The COVID Nazis were anti-American. The Bud Light, that was anti-American, shoving down our throats.
SPEAKER 16 :
Immigration, anti-American.
SPEAKER 03 :
Immigration flinging open the border so we’d get fully invaded. Anti-American. And now what did they do on top of it? They’re selling off parts of the wall for nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let’s not forget one other thing, and Kurt Rogers is going to join me Thursday, by the way, at 5 o’clock, but the fact that a lot of folks went from being able to afford a home to not being able to afford a home. Anti-American again, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, when they looked at the Biden administration, which was taking credit for lowering inflation, and all kinds of Americans are looking at them and saying, the only thing that’s lowering inflation is you’re jacking our rates through the roof.
SPEAKER 16 :
One other thing I got to add on top of all that that we haven’t mentioned yet. Student loan forgiveness. Anti-American. And all those folks that either paid their loans or were paying their loans and wouldn’t have had any kind of forgiveness were looking at that saying, what in the world are you guys doing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Or the plumbers and electricians who never needed a loan and said, my taxes are paying for this rich kid to get there. Correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s another pylon of being anti-American. Yep. So all of that combined. The message, really, let’s say it this way, Andy. Why did the left lose the culture? Because they became so anti-American. They’ve always been anti-American, but they became so in-your-face anti-American that a portion, the majority of voters said, yeah, no, not this time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Why did the left lose the culture?
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, as we’re back, I was reminded also text message-wise before we switch gears, Andy, that during COVID, don’t forget the other thing that government allowed to be open They handpicked liquor stores, convenience stores, pot shops, big box stores, and so on. So they really handpicked the winners and losers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, favoritism also drives away the culture.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. They hate it. Okay. So thanks for the reminder, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure. I got a new question for you here. Trump, it’s different this time. It’s totally different. Remember, last time in 2016, he won. It was incredible. However, immediately, it was all opposition. Everybody was weaponized against him. I’m not just talking about the Democrats on Capitol Hill. I’m talking about all of big tech, all of academia, all of Hollywood, all of everywhere. Right? Yes. This time is different. This time, everybody’s coming to him wanting to kiss the ring. And my question is this. What is the biggest difference, or what are some of the reasons that we see this incredible difference this time for Trump? The wind is at his back this time. The wind was in his face last time.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m going to attribute it to one thing and one thing only, and the day it happened, Andy literally texted me that same day and said, this is it. We’re done. We’ve won. No looking back. This is a shoe-in for Trump. And we’ve talked about this, and please, all of you that are Christians, hear me out. Because Andy and I even did some segments on, did God spare Trump’s life in the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania? I would flip that. and say, did God allow that to happen that changed Trump’s entire demeanor from that point forward and made him who he is now, which, by the way, is not the same Trump we saw four years ago because it’s not. He is not.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is not. And Charlie and I, we were just talking about it at the break. He just had an impromptu press conference yesterday. John. Obviously, he was in great command of the details, but there were two big changes in him. Number one, he was softer, respectful, quiet, calm, commanding. He was not this activist raging at the group, at the room, right? And the second thing is, he knew when not to give an answer. Okay, you know, the guy asked him, are you going to, what, bomb… I forget what it was.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I read today where somebody thought that just shows he’s got dementia. No, that just means he’s very careful in his responses.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, because basically, are you going to bomb Iran? What does he say? how can I answer that question? If I say yes, if I say no, either one is a bad answer. The answer being, obviously, I’m not going to tell them what I’m going to do.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is no answer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why would I tell them what I’m going to do? But you see, in the past, he wasn’t controlled like that. He wasn’t under control. And I believe one big difference is J.D. Vance. He’s learning from J.D. J.D. is incredibly… J.D. is incredibly… contained in what he says it’s brilliant he knows when to go after people but trump just being around a guy who works can’t argue that wording can’t argue although it’s changed you still got to go back to the shooting oh the assassination attempt because his demeanor
SPEAKER 16 :
Literally from that, we’ve talked about it. We talked about it on air. His demeanor from that point forward changed dramatically. When you have a near-death experience, and I think a lot of people can say that. Anybody that’s had one of those, I think, can say this. It changes you. And in Trump’s case, because of a lot of the people that he’s surrounded with, to your point, the J.D. Vance, great Christian guy, etc., You start looking at those folks and will they rub off on a Trump, especially after one of those experiences? Yeah, Andy, I think they do. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think another thing that’s put the wind at Trump’s back and there’s a couple more here, but one is J.D. Vance. Mike Pence was an awful choice. OK, he was an absolutely Mike Pence was a decent speaker, but not anything like J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance. goes out to all ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN. He goes to all of them and cuts them to ribbons. And Americans had never seen this before. They had never seen one of Trump’s people going into all these interviews and cutting them.
SPEAKER 16 :
Calm, cool, collected, methodical, and so on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Making MAGA brilliant. That’s what J.D. Vance made MAGA brilliant. And they had not seen that before. MAGA was always a very emotional thing. It was a very true thing. I believe in MAGA.
SPEAKER 16 :
It was never brilliant until Vance. We talked about this prior to even Trump being the nominee. Our biggest fear with Trump moving forward was everything would be based on emotions completely. There wouldn’t be a lot of strategy involved. It would be very hard to win that way. Fortunately, some things changed. through the campaign right and got better as time went on and i think a lot of what you’re talking about is why yeah now i’m gonna the next one i’m only gonna do is say a name and i’m gonna let you take it from there elon musk oh huge huge asset a because and i said this a while back yeah And I think even some folks out there listening sort of poo-pooed me on this because I think they thought, well, yeah, I don’t know about that. Elon Musk, there is not only a lot of tech folks that follow him, but a lot of young, brilliant men especially follow him. A, because of where he’s at, what he’s done, the fact he’s the richest guy on the planet. He’s eccentric by all means. On the same token, he doesn’t let what other people say bother him. At all. Right. He’s his own guy, and I think a lot of young men, especially Andy, because they haven’t had that model to them much, they appreciate that. And they’re followers of him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Everything you just said, true, but I’ve got to add something. In 2016, the Democrats completely owned the public square. They did. They owned all the media. They owned all of big tech. They owned all of the dispersal of news and ideas. Yeah, you can talk about Fox News, but they outnumbered that a zillion to one, especially with big tech. Correct. x twitter oh yeah okay that’s what i was saying elon musk his fact of being there with these young men especially huge because of elon musk they no longer own the uh public square they can’t dominate they can’t go after trump and know that all the voices that are going to come back against us are going to be just drowned out by us they can’t drown them out anymore and elon musk is the biggest reason
SPEAKER 16 :
I can’t argue that. No, you’re right. Let me throw another. And really quick, before we move on. Go. Because there’s some folks that text us continually, which I always enjoy. But I want to remind some of you, by the way, that have texted me probably multiple times since. And I could go back and even find some of these if I wanted to. But some of you were very critical. Early on of Musk, oh, the guy’s a charlatan. Oh, the guy’s a Trojan horse. Oh, we can’t trust him. You guys said the same thing about Vivek, by the way. All we heard was, oh, you can’t trust these guys. There’s no way they’re going to be really a part of our party and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And a lot of you listening right now need to check yourself because you said those same things to me in text messages.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And by the way, these are minor ones, but you’ve got to throw in Vivek and Tulsi. Absolutely. Not just because they are people that nobody trusted on our side because our side doesn’t trust anybody and we believe in every conspiracy theory. I don’t know why. But I’ve got news for you folks. Not only are Vivek and Tulsi on your side, they’re smart. They’re smart. They come off brilliant. They blow people away in debates. And they’re not like J.D. Vance, who’s an absolute machine, but they’re close. Actually, Vivek is like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Vivek is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, not Tulsi as much, but she’s brilliant, too.
SPEAKER 16 :
He’s a machine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tulsi might be our VP next time around. Okay, but I’m going to give you another name and let you take it. Joe Rogan. Oh, huge for us. Huge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Wow. He and Dana White on the wrestling.
SPEAKER 03 :
What does this do for the culture, him and Dana White?
SPEAKER 16 :
Huge, because these guys are where young men, not all young men, but there’s some old guys watching him as well, but men in general. But there’s a lot of women, too, so I don’t want to cut any of you lady wrestling fans and Joe Rogan fans and so on, because there’s a lot of equal sexes, I should say, Andy, that are listening. But especially when it comes to young men, Those two individuals, Dana White, Joe Rogan, both speak volumes to a ton of young men. So when they start talking about, you know, being a supporter of Donald Trump and interviewing Donald Trump and going through that whole end of things, we talked in the last, you know, the last segment about how did the left lose the culture? Because they don’t know either one of these guys and they’re probably both repulsed by him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Everything you just said. Once again, 100 percent agree. What about women? The fact that they didn’t win women nearly as big as they expected. And let me give you two quick names, Tulsi and RFK. That hurt them because that was two Democrats who came over to our side, and Tulsi is an incredibly impressive woman.
SPEAKER 16 :
And RFK Jr., when he starts talking about all of the things— Well, a lot of women because of the kids and the vaccines and so on. He speaks very near and dear to them because these are individuals that are really looking at these kids saying, why am I giving my kids 72 vaccines?
SPEAKER 03 :
John, when I’m online, all of the biggest supporters of RFK on our side, they were all women. They were all women. So when we talk about—and so here’s the thing. I’m going to bring it all together now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
You and I said in 2016, actually, that Donald Trump had to be Team Trump. He had to go forward with his team. He had to put together this incredibly impressive group of people around him that would, let’s face it, soften him. Yep. And reach out into far more. He couldn’t just go forward with the Trumpies because the Trumpies were only 30% of the population.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, if we said it once, we said it a thousand times. Trump has to change the way he messages to the entire United States or he will not win. And he did.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he did. And he did because I’m telling you what, this time it is not Trump. It is Team Trump.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Andy’s going to head out here at 5 o’clock, by the way, but I’ll still be around here for the last hour. Andy, a couple things. Charlie just said one thing a second ago that really is a big deal and why people are in favor of Trump is the fact that he’s just making common sense remarks and things to do that everybody can relate to, even some Democrats. But back to how did the left lose the culture? Right. One other thing I want to throw in that we forgot, which helped Trump – And hurt them. And that’s all the stupid lawsuits they brought against Trump. Because, by the way, a lot of people were looking at that saying, man alive, these things are just as ticky tack as it gets. I get it. The hardcore lefties, they loved all of that. But others didn’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think it was just shocking for the country to see how easily the legal system could be weaponized?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. And they didn’t like it. They had never seen it like this. Nope. And they don’t like that because they realize, oh, wait a minute. Again, going back to the man thing. By the way, I know a lot of you listening, I’ve focused a lot on the male vote and the fact that I firmly believe, some females as well, but literally that whole male vote, that voting block is what really put Trump over the edge this last election.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Keep in mind that there’s a lot of men out there, like it or not. that have had something happen to them legally speaking. Something’s happened on the job. Something’s happened to them with regards to divorce and child support or custody battles and so on. And in most cases, by the way, these guys are on the losing end of the stick. In most cases. Because it’s stacked against them. When they walk into the courtroom, they know right off the bat that as a dad, this whole thing is rigged, not in my favor. And then they watched what Trump went through.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And the Democrats were able to get away with that for the longest time. And here’s why. They would just say, yeah, but it’s Trump. It’s okay because it’s Trump. Yeah, but we’re doing this against Trump. Well, Trump is really bad. Well, he’s a threat to democracy. Look at J6. Look at J6. Look at J6. You know, and… Here’s the thing. After a while, that sells for a year or two. You know, after a while, you know what Americans start saying? Yeah, we know it’s Trump. But you keep saying, yeah, it’s Trump. And what we’re seeing is this. We’ve never seen the law used like this before. And it proves to us that you can use it that way. And that scares us.
SPEAKER 16 :
And where I’m going with that, Andy, is there’s a lot of men out there that I think voted for Trump that the law had been used against them in a way that it shouldn’t be because it happens more often than not. Because typically, again, I’m not saying it happens in every single case, but there’s a lot of situations where these guys go to court to have custody with their kids or have joint custody or have equal time or whatever the case may be, and the odds are already stacked against them.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many men have lost a job just because of an accusation of… sexual harassment as well and you know and once again because you know the me first or me too movement okay the whole idea that we can simply accuse away your rights we don’t have to provide any evidence we can just accuse it away and men look back and say hey man if somebody’s sexually harassing a female that’s terrible but you got to provide evidence otherwise you can simply accuse it away That got thrown away.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and believe me.
SPEAKER 03 :
And look what just came out with the Duke Lacrosse.
SPEAKER 16 :
I was going to mention the same thing, Andy. Right. Take the words out of my mouth.
SPEAKER 03 :
The lady who lied against them just came out and admitted it. What is it, a decade later?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I lied.
SPEAKER 03 :
People are like, hey, wait a minute. Right. You could literally, and I think this hit men a lot worse than women because men had had their rights accused away much more than women.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and had been in the courtroom. Some of the similar things I just mentioned a moment ago. And the reality is all of that went in favor of Trump and against her, really against the party, if you really want to get down to it when it’s all said and done. So, guys, again, we’ve got another full hour coming your way. I’ve got another interview we’re going to do here in a moment. Jeremy Portnoy is going to join us. He is from Open the Books. We’re going to talk about his new column, Waste of the Day. We’re going to talk about Doge and how that may affect things as well. So don’t go anywhere yet. We’ll be right back. Hour three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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