In this episode of The Kim Munson Show, we delve into the heart of ongoing debates surrounding rights and freedoms in modern society. Kim and her guests explore the complex interplay between government policy and individual liberties, focusing on current events and historical context. Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the implications of policy decisions that impact property rights, freedom of mobility, and more. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that challenges the conventional narratives and sheds light on the realities of living in today’s world.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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We look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate, and it’s not altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. Force could be a weapon, but it could be policy, unpredictable, and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. the agenda of the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites, and then there’s all kinds of ways that they are taking our property. It could be through land use codes, zoning regulations, forest fees, taxes, I mentioned that earlier, conservation easements, all these things. You may think you own your property, but if you can’t use your property, if somebody else is controlling it, you don’t really own your property. And property certainly can be tangible, but it could be intangible as well. And so that’s why property rights are inherent within the whole American idea. Our word of the day, and I need to, when you submit these, I need to write down who submitted them to me. I think this was Richard, I think. And if not, text me, 720-605-0647, so I get it right. The word of the day is disparate, and it could be fundamentally distinct or different in kind, entirely dissimilar, or containing or composed of dissimilar or opposing elements. I would say that those on the left that quote the Constitution and say that they are upholding the Constitution, that’s really disparate from what their real agenda is. So your challenge is to use the word disparate, D-I-S-P-A-R-A-T-E, in a sentence today. Our quote of the day comes from Marcus Aurelius, and he was born in 121. He died in 180. He was a Roman emperor from 161 to 180 and a Stoic philosopher. And he was a member of the Nerva Antonine dynasty, the last of the rulers later known as the Five Good Emperors. and the last emperor of the Pax Romana, an age of relative peace, calm, and stability for the Roman Empire. And a friend of mine, they got two new little puppies. And one of his friends said to him, well, your puppies are going to probably outlive you. And my friend said, he said, well, how do you know that? And so he, my friend, suggested this quote of the day from Marcus Aurelius. And he said, And that is from Marcus Aurelius. So regarding headlines, we didn’t talk about it yesterday. I talked with some friends of mine that either grew up in Texas. One of my friends actually went to Camp Mystic as a girl, as a child. And so this is really hitting home to her. She knows people who have lost loved ones in this flood. But this headline is that the Camp Mystic confirms at least 27 campers missing. and counselors were killed in Texas flooding. And I talked to Colonel Rutledge yesterday. As you know, he’s 96 years young. In fact, he has a birthday any day now, where he’s going to be turning 97. And he’s traveled the world, and he has this great interest in people and history. And he said that for a couple of years, he was stationed at the Air Force Base down, I think, in San Antonio. And so they had friends that lived up into the hill country. And he said that this happens. It’s been a long time since there’s been this weather event. But if you get a deluge of rain up in the hill country, it’s like putting water into a funnel and it’s going to come out, it’s going to come out. you know, with great force, which is what happened. And apparently Camp Mystic was on the shores of this river. And apparently there were warnings, but they were in the middle of the night. And I think Susan had texted me and said, we get so many warnings these days that we don’t sometimes pay attention to all of them. And so they certainly should have paid attention. But you think about it, I think that this is again, this is hearsay. I haven’t confirmed this. But that the first warning was maybe around. 1.30 in the morning, then another one around 4, and then after that, the flooding hit the camp. And you think about it, here’s your counselors, everybody’s sleeping, you’ve got all these little girls, and it just was a perfect, terrible storm. for all of this. So our prayers go out to everyone. I tell you, you send your kids off to camp or to school and you expect them to come home. And I just, my heart breaks for all of these people there. So certainly our prayers go out to everyone in Texas. We’re working our way through, this is the whitehouse.gov. And this is, they have 50 people What does he title this? 50 Wins in the One Big Beautiful Bill. And I know there’s things in there that people are concerned about. But I’ll go through. I went through the first five yesterday. This is the next five. It says it provides historic tax cuts for seniors. Of course, we love tax cuts. However, I do not like peeling different groups out. When you think about how our young people are struggling, trying to get it together to… to live life, to try to buy a house, to take care of things. I really don’t like to have different groups tax differently because inherently that’s in the communist manifesto is to tax entities different. And then people vote differently. And so, yes, please that there is tax cuts for seniors, but would really like to have tax cuts across the board. So that’s number six. Number seven, it finishes President Trump’s border wall. Totally love that. He says, as a result, 701 miles of primary wall, 900 miles of river barriers, 629 miles of secondary barriers, and 141 miles of vehicle and pedestrian barriers will be constructed. Number eight, it boosts Border Patrol and ICE agents on the front lines within the largest border security investment in history. This means funding to hire 10,000 new ICE personnel, 5,000 new customs officers, and 3,000 new Border Patrol agents to detain and deport at least one million illegal immigrants annually. Next, number nine, let’s see. Let’s see, number nine, it increases the child tax credit to $2,500 per family. Again, I love supporting families. And again, I’d love to just lower taxes totally across the board, which I know he’s done that as well. And then lastly, it says it protects Medicaid for Americans who truly need it. This bill eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse by ending benefits for at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants who are gaming the system. So those are the things that are in the, that’s number 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 in his 50 wins in the Big Beautiful Bill. So we will continue to go through that as well. next headline that I wanted to mention is that Denver continues to be making decisions to put Denver in decline and this is from westward and it is a reader the harder you make parking the fewer people will come to Denver what Denver thinks they are doing is to try it’s the war on your car to try to keep you from being able to have freedom of mobility, to go where you want to when you want to. And so this says this by Westward Readers. And it says, to abolish minimum parking requirements. Under the city’s proposal, developers would be able to choose whether to include new parking spaces in construction projects and existing businesses and housing complexes would be able to eliminate current parking. If approved, the change would take effect on August 11th. It says the trio of bills to remove parking minimums from Denver’s zoning code passed a preliminary Denver City Council vote on Monday. The final council vote and public hearing are scheduled for August 4th, Westward said. In the meantime, readers didn’t waste time parking their opinions on the Westward Facebook page, says Jay. And Jay says this, that’s about to be a disaster. It already is. Jonathan says this is really dumb. I can’t continue to say what he said. There’s already not enough parking in Denver to facilitate the amount of people, especially around apartment complexes. And no one will want to live somewhere where they have to fight to find street parking. Okay. Let’s see. Rick, I’m not sure Rick understands. He says, there’s plenty of parking and buildings can still provide whatever number of spaces they need. No businesses will ignore the parking needs of their residents and risk not being able to fill their units. I don’t know about that. And Jeffrey says, if I didn’t know any better, I think Denver was passive, aggressively trying to get people to get rid of their cars. I think that Jeffrey has nailed that. And so I ask you, they say millennials have come to Denver for the Denver vibe. I talked to a millennial who said the Denver vibe is gone, and it’s because of terrible public policy. And so we need to continue to… shed light on this and the war on our cars, people don’t want to give up their freedom of mobility. Freedom of mobility is freedom of opportunity. And people want to have opportunity to choose a job that may not be along a light rail line or a bus line. And people want to go to the mountains to hike and be able to do those kinds of things. And so people really do want to have freedom of mobility. We have these important discussions because of our sponsors, and the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team wants you to feel safe and well-served and to understand your insurance coverage. Their office will respond to your call or text 24 hours a day. So for that 24-hour peace of mind, call Roger Mangan at 303-795-8855. 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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We really do appreciate it. Do you want to have financial freedom? Well, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. As an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they always put your interests first. Mint means more than money. It stands for a meaningful relationship, information sharing, and a network of smart strategies. And you have a thoughtful advisor who puts you in control. No cookie-cutter plans. Everything is tailored to you. So call Mint Financial Strategies today. That number is 303-285-3080. That’s 303-285-3080. And pleased to have on the line with me, former state senator and author of the Lumberg Report, which you can find at KevinLumberg.com, is Kevin Lumberg. Welcome, Kevin.
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Well, thank you. Great being with you again.
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Well, good to have you as well. And a lot is going on. And your Lumberg Report comes out on Saturdays. And it is just great information. And one of the first things that you highlighted this last week is the big, beautiful bill, which is now law. And I’m going through the WhiteHouse.gov website with the 50 wins that they say that there’s in the bill. I know there are those that have concerns about things as well. What’s your thoughts about this big, beautiful bill?
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Well, in some ways, I think it’s appropriately named. But bear in mind a couple of constraints that they had to live within. One was that at the congressional level, the only way they could put this package together and get it through the Senate was through the reconciliation process, which tightly restricts what it can and can’t do and how it can and can’t do things. Because reconciliation is supposed to be just kind of a budget-squaring system, and therefore you didn’t need 60… votes in the Senate to pass it, you needed a simple majority. And so when I look at a lot of the concerns we have, and yeah, you can nitpick a lot of details. I wish they would have done it that way. You know, for example, you spoke a little bit earlier on your program about how you wish they would just lower the tax rate across the board. Well, my guess is that President Trump would agree with you But he had to work around a few logistics in order to accomplish the overall goal. So that’s one thing. And number two, when you have a big bill that’s so comprehensive, sausage making, you know, that’s what legislation has been compared to quite a bit. Well, it turns into a lot of sausage. In other words, it’s kind of an ugly process to to see how they got there. But having said all of that, I would say that I believe that this is a monumental accomplishment in Trump’s first few months in office, which he needed desperately in order to continue with all of the changes that he’s doing to get us back on track and away from the disastrous situations and policies that Biden and Obama and really a whole lot of administration before that. I haven’t seen such dramatic action in the right direction ever. I mean, Ronald Reagan was a great president who did a lot. But if you watched how how he had to manage, and of course he had a Democrat-controlled House, I believe it was initially. Maybe it was both Senate and House a long time ago, you know. He accomplished a great deal, but not nearly as much as what’s happening here today. So I like the bill. I think it is Pretty beautiful in a lot of ways, and definitely big.
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Well, it is remarkable. Being back in Washington, I’ve been back a few times, and it truly is sausage being made. There’s a lot of egos, lots going on. And the fact that he has gotten this done within, gosh, he was inaugurated right around the 20th of January, right around that time. To get this done in this amount of time is truly, it is, it’s monumental.
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Yeah, along with just everything else he’s done that we don’t have time to go through, but he has worked with remarkable speed. And so, yeah, I call it a very big win. That is a first good step. I heard a report, I think it was just yesterday on some newscast, that Speaker Mike Johnson said, well, this is number one. We’ve got two more bills that we’re thinking about doing, one in the fall and one next spring, to really round out all that they need to accomplish. So I’m looking forward to what those might hold as well.
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Well, it is pretty amazing what has happened there. We’re talking about leadership. The next thing that you had on… the Lundberg report was Colorado’s leadership. You had three different links there. You said, speaking of more work needed, there are reminders in Colorado. If we are to see freedom reign in our state, we have a lot of work to do. And so I clicked on those links. And one of them was Jared Polis’s at a Pride event on basically a tricycle. And I was thinking about it as I was coming into the studio. That doesn’t look like the strong leader that we think that we want as our governors and as our presidents. I thought it was quite odd.
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Yeah, and you know, when I first saw that, I thought, oh, this has got to be AI. Somebody took his likeness and put it on this ridiculous image. And then I saw some other footage of him mingling around in the crowd on that day, and I thought, no, that’s him. And that’s exactly what… And here’s why this makes sense. Look, I was an elected official, not nearly at the position of governor, but, you know, state representative, state senator. People… paid attention, looked up to me, and they recognized me back in my district to a degree. And I understood that I needed to conduct myself in a manner that was appropriate for the position when in public. When I did parades, and I would do a lot of them, I would carefully dress so that I’m I looked appropriate, if you will. And I didn’t try to mock myself or, you know. And so it was just kind of a dumb presentation that I saw the governor putting himself in. And I thought that this shows kind of a cavalier, I couldn’t care less attitude, which I actually observed of him up close and personal, you might say. when I ran against him for Congress back in 2012, oftentimes when I would meet him in debates or something, it’s like his brain was just not even paying attention to the fact that he was a member of Congress. I don’t like that attitude. That’s not a true leader. You know, if you look at, let’s go back to President Trump. He certainly recognizes how he should comport himself in a public setting. And, you know, he usually has a suit and tie and has a certain image that he displays is very intentional. It’s, you know, it’s well planned. Well, I think Governor Polis does the same thing, only with a very different attitude in mind. And I don’t appreciate that. And actually, let me flip that over to something I didn’t include in the newsletter because I wasn’t aware of it until yesterday. And that is the governor has now called for a special session of the legislature. He has exercised his authority. And it’s not a big surprise. At the end of the session, they said, well, we’ll probably have to call a special session to deal with the hiccup they have on a law that they put in place the previous year. concerning regulation of artificial intelligence in the state, AI, and they found it to be completely dysfunctional, but they couldn’t come to agreement. So, okay, they’re going to have to do that, and there were a couple of other things that they thought they might do. But the real story on him calling a special session is to react to the big, beautiful bill. And most particularly, it’s the fact that through this bill, which does deal with the funding issues, as I said, that’s what a reconciliation bill is all about, Colorado is finding themselves behind the eight ball of losing, by one estimate, within the article, it said Medicaid funding from the federal government will probably be about $500 million less. And because of the requirements it makes, if Colorado’s to maintain their current Medicaid rolls, they’re going to have to come up with about $500 million more. And I think, if I interpret it right, on top of that. But let’s just be rather conservative in our estimates and just say, okay, the bill is going to create about a 500 million dollar hole or more for the medicaid program here in the state and that’s why they’re calling the special session now it’s very appropriate and i hope they deal with it appropriately but i kind of have my doubts they’re just going to be crying big crocodile tears about how the federal government and most particularly donald trump is is uh cursing Colorado by changing the Medicaid funding rules. Well, let’s dig a little deeper. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s go to break and let’s dig a little deeper on that. This is super interesting. And the leadership down at the governor’s office and also in the mayor’s office in Denver is really putting Colorado in decline because of terrible choices that they are making. So we’re going to talk more about that. These discussions happen because of our sponsors. And if you’re buying your home or selling a home, be sure and reach out to Karen Levine.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. And do you want to really get an understanding of what is going on from somebody that really understands the issues? And that would be Drew Dix, one of the co-founders of the Center for American Values. He has started a podcast, which I think gives amazing perspective on some of these security issues that we’re facing in our country. And you can access his podcast by going to the Center for American Values website. That is AmericanValuesCenter.org, and check that out. On the line with me is Kevin Lundberg. He is a former state senator and author of the Lumberg Report. We were just talking about late breaking news that Governor Polis has ordered a special session of the Colorado legislature. When are they going to convene this, Kevin Lumberg?
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Well, I don’t recall the specific dates, but it’s later this month in July. So, and usually the special session is three or four days long. It takes a minimum of three days to pass a bill. And so, you know, a lot of this kind of gets aligned ahead of time. And here’s another thing to be aware of, or a couple of other things for a special session. One is if the governor calls it, and the legislature themselves can call one too, but they’ve never seen it happen, probably has at some point. But anyway, the governor puts on the, when he calls a special session, he puts a specific agenda in place so you can only deal with what he says you can deal with. So there’s a limitation there on what can be proposed. And every member, I think, is restricted to one bill that they could submit, and not everybody does. So a lot of this stuff is probably happening right now. You know, they’re developing their bills. They’re probably, you know, pulling it all together and kind of hustling so that when opening day hits, they’re ready to go. So three or four days, and they’ll probably go through it. And if you’re in the minority, like my colleagues in the Republican side, you pretty much just watch the process because they’re not going to pay a lot of attention to your bills. Now, you know, maybe there’ll be some horse trading and negotiating of some sort, but For the most part, it’s all an accomplished deal about the time they start the process.
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Okay. So I thought I had seen headlines that Colorado was facing a $1.2 billion deficit. Is that on top of this $500 million that Colorado stands to lose on Medicaid funding?
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Well, I’m not sure, honestly, which is what, because there’s been, you know, an anticipation that this would be part of that. It could very well be that it’s on top of the specific Medicaid limitations, largely due to the current mostly COVID funding that had been provided over the last few years. And so the state, the legislature and the governor, they set up a lot of plans and programs with all this money flowing in. And I knew that there was going to be a reckoning because it couldn’t be continued. But let me go back to the Medicaid. So my short answer is I don’t know precisely what the number is, except it is in the hundreds of millions short-term and billions when you add it up over a few years. And, for example, now I’m going off the information that I read from the Rocky Mountain Voice, and… So they’re kind of piecing all the details together as well. But they threw out a number of $10 billion shortfall over the next several years if you just look at the Medicaid funding component on this. But this actually – now, we’re blaming Paulus. We’re blaming the current legislature for doing all this stuff. But a lot of this got in place later or earlier as well because – Colorado went through what they called Medicaid expansion back in the Obama days. And that’s when I was in the legislature. And Obama set up systems through what we called Obamacare, medical payment system, where Medicaid could take a much greater role in funding medical costs in the state. by creating new categories of people who made more income than what it was. See, Medicaid was set up, and I think appropriately, to be that safety net for the people who could afford nothing else. I get it that, you know, medical costs are expensive. And even if we got it under control, it would be it’s still prohibitive for people on the bottom rung. So, OK, we have a mechanism to help. But but they expanded it beyond that. And it got to the point that here and Medicaid expansion again happened way back, probably 20. I’m kind of ballparking this 2016 or so. And I’ll tell you straight up, there are those of us who voted no across the board, myself included, knowing that ultimately we cannot afford to do that, not to mention the fact that it’s not the government’s business to pay for all the medical costs in this country. That’s called socialized medicine, and we are perilously close to it because most dollars for medical costs are paid by the government in one way or the other, and that really means We discussed this in earlier sessions. A third-party payer like that just destroys the economic reality of things. Anyway, so now they’ve got to pull it back because the federal government says we’re not going to pay for all of this expansion, and they still are offering to pay. Well, for the expansion, they offered up to 100 percent federal dollars to pay for these additional folks. And now they’re saying, no, no, no, we’re going to pull that back to 50 percent. I think they ought to pull it back to zero myself, but maybe incrementally. And maybe that’s what they have in mind, too, is next bill says, well, it’s going to be more. Anyway. This is a long-term problem that the Democrat-controlled legislature in the state of Colorado has asked for for a long time. And finally, they’re going to have to face the reality.
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Well, and one of the things as president of CUT, which is the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, and I very quickly, I want to say thank you to the group that I get to work with. This is the board. It’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onizorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. This is an amazing group of people. And…
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May I say, just interject, that’s a great group of people. I know many of them. And, yeah, you’ve got a good team.
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We do. Whenever I’m at our board meetings, I feel like I’m with the patriots, the founders, because these people are so focused on really – well, and four things. Taxes. Taxes and fees. That’s taking money from hardworking people. Property rights. Taxes. school choice, parental rights is in that, and then protecting taper. But one of the bills that of the 766 bills and resolutions that was proposed or that were proposed this last legislative session, one of those was, I think, a committee to explore basically single payer or state-run medical health care. And that is the last thing that we want here. But they are continuing to try to push us to socialize medicine here in Colorado, Kevin.
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Yeah, yeah. And as I spoke probably too long on, they’ve been doing this for a long time. It has been their goal to move the… payment system, the exact wrong direction. And I might add that they, in this last session, they passed a study committee, basically, to come up with a report to the legislature. I think it’s in the end of 2026 that they’re supposed to come up with this plan on how can we make it 100 percent government payment, which is Which would just destroy the medical mechanisms in this state. And yeah, so they’re going the wrong direction. People of Colorado need to stop them by getting rid of them, frankly.
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Well, and what you mean is to vote them out, and certainly we want to vote them out.
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Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
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Yes, absolutely. So let’s see, anything else regarding Governor Polis? Because when we come back, I want to get updates regarding Protect Kids Colorado. Anything else that we need to know about this special session?
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Well, hang on to your hat because I’m sure it’s going to be very contentious. Only it’s one sided because they own all the votes. But but place this as a marker for this is what the current legislative team is all about. And they’re going to cry big crocodile tears on how terrible this is. But I want everybody to know. that they brought it upon themselves because they’ve been so reckless with their policies for so long.
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Well, and Kevin Lundberg, and I’ve gone down to testify at the state legislature, you have have as well. And what I have determined is, you mentioned there will be crocodile tears because they will want to imply that they care about the people of Colorado. They don’t. I have learned that this is not about caring and taking care of the people and doing the job that they’re supposed to do as representatives of the people. This is about power and control. And Dr. Jill will be on next week. We’re going to have her on once a month to talk about healthcare and how to fix it in America. And Colorado is going the exact wrong way. Because when you get government involved, what happens is, is the quality goes down, the supply becomes limited, and the price goes up. And so what that means is less people will actually have quality healthcare. So we need to go the other direction on that, Kevin.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I’m so glad to hear that you’ve got Dr. Jill on somewhat a regular basis there because I’ve learned so much from her. Of course, she sees it very clearly from her perspective as a medical doctor. I see it very clearly from the perspective as a former legislator who was on the health committees almost all the time, that and the Joint Budget Committee. Those are my focuses. And I learned… on the economics of it, that they are destroying the system by somehow thinking that if you just take away the cost mechanism, everything turns wonderful. No, it gets the exact opposite. It just becomes a bizarre conglomeration of rules and regulations and controls and… Yeah, yeah. The only silver lining I see is as they’re doing this at the federal level and the RFK Jr. is heading the right direction saying, look, we’ve got to put people back in charge. And we’ve got to put this responsibility in the hands of your doctor and you, the patient. What a novel idea. And that’s who’s paying the bill.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Do check out the website for the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation. They’re getting ready. In August will be their anniversary, and they’re going to have a great event there. But it really is important to support the memorial because we want to honor the people involved. that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our liberty. And a great way to do that is to support the foundation. And that website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is Kevin Lumber. He is a former state senator, author of the Lumberg Report. And actually, this kind of connects. But we have the most amazing listeners. And Jenny texted me this. She said, is Polis putting together another pub that would be a Polis ugly bill? I think that is so clever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I hadn’t thought of it in those terms, but yeah, that makes sense.
SPEAKER 16 :
And she also came up with OPM, opium, if you will, or OPM, which is other people’s money. And so she is just so clever. I love that. And she said that, well, there is medical tourism. She said that Polis doesn’t really care about insurance. Which I have to agree. But this medical tourism, and that is making Colorado a state where people can come here and have transgender operations or pharmaceuticals on children. This is, Colorado is headed in the wrong direction. But you and your colleagues, Erin Lee, Patty McKernan, so many people, Kane, Lori Gimmelstein, all of you are working together to protect kids and have created Protect Kids Colorado. So give us an update. What’s happening with these ballot initiatives that you hope to get on the ballot in 2026?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I’m so glad you asked about this, and I’m so excited to talk about it, too. We actually just had a board meeting last night on many of the people you mentioned that are actually on the board. I’m honored to be the chairman of the board, which is, you know, a nifty title. But we’re a working team, and that means we roll up our sleeves and get to work. This is an idea we’ve been working on for a couple of years, the whole Protect Kids Colorado concept. And yes, our focus is initially, and I’m sure that in years to come, the organization will blossom into areas I can’t even imagine, really. But it’s all focused on creating a correct environment where parents can be parents and kids can be kids. And these awful things that the governor and the legislature have been creating, like making the mutilation of children through surgery, making Colorado a destination spot for those who want to engage in that grisly industry. And it’s more than just the surgeries. You’re creating lifetime patience when they commit these awful crimes, is the way I would put it, even though it’s not a crime technically, but it’s certainly a crime against that child that’s convinced that somehow they’ve got to be, you know, I won’t go into the details on what they do, but the fact is that somehow they have just turned the right into wrong and facts into fables. And, you know, it’s just bizarre. So Protect Kids Colorado is working on initiatives. And right now we are actually kind of regrouping because we got the three initiatives that we set out to get the permission for petitions. We got them passed, actually, quicker than we thought. But we ran into a couple of glitches on Oh, one of our proponents is actually moving out of the state, and that can’t happen. And so we have to reapply. And we’ve done that. We’re in the process of doing all three together. So we will hopefully get an approval that coordinates with all three. And that’s going to happen over the next several weeks. In early or mid-August, we hope to have permission to go ahead and print the petitions and then start distributing and start doing them. But you mentioned a handful of people. Yes, these are hardworking, dedicated folks, but Protect Kids Colorado is not just them. If it’s going to be anything effective, it’s going to be thousands of people across Colorado. And so I have… I personally want to appeal to the listeners here on your program today to go to protectkidscolorado.org and check us out and sign up to be a part of this team. This is an army that’s not just going to work on these initiatives, but we’re changing the whole landscape on how law is made in Colorado. Now, we’re not inventing something new. This has been in the Colorado Constitution since the beginning. We, the people of Colorado, reserve the right to make laws independent of the legislature. And the legislature we have today has proven themselves to be incapable of coming up with good solutions to real problems in our state. And we’re starting with that core element of allowing parents to actually parent their children and protecting… You know, putting laws in place to protect kids in ways that they’re being taken advantage of. The three initiatives, one is keeping boys out of girls’ sports programs. Number two is preventing these medical… mutilation surgeries in the state. And number three is just so fundamental that almost everybody says, yeah, and that is increasing the penalties for child sex trafficking. That means if you’re a seller or a buyer that you go to prison and we throw away the key because this just shouldn’t be tolerated in our culture. And we want to get these things through.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and I mentioned some of the names. I don’t know who all is on the board, but you mentioned putting together an army of people, and a name that I did neglect to mention is Yvonne Paez. She is actually an Army veteran, but she is also working diligently. She’s going to be organizing people with these different petitions, so I don’t want to leave her off of that list. Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it’s not she’s going to be. She is organizing. And we’ve got hundreds of people who have signed up already. And Yvonne, we jokingly call her the general. I mean, jokingly, because that’s not the position she held, you know, in the military. She was in military police and did a great job in that area. But she really is managing all of the particulars there. And my hat is off to her. She’s just golden. And there’s so many people that I’m so proud of and just such a pleasure to work with. But we need everybody to pitch in. And once we do, we will have redefined the Citizens Initiative process into a Citizens Initiative, not a rich man’s sport where if you’ve got a few million dollars, you can buy your way onto the ballots and get a law passed.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, great work, Kevin Lundberg. And Yvonne Paez is going to guest host the show for me a week from Friday. So that will be really terrific. Oh, wow. Yeah. And Kevin, we are having you on every other week. And I think this is really important, of course, during the legislative session every week so that we can break these things down. So I encourage people to check you out at KevinLundberg.com. Thanks, Kevin. We’ll talk here very soon.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you. Great being with you.
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Boy, a lot of information with Kevin Lundberg. And that will rebroadcast today, 1 to 2 in the afternoon. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And then after that, you can find us on Spotify and iTunes. And check out the website. That is Kim Munson. M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. You will find recaps of the shows and podcasts there as well. Make sure that you are signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. The text line is 720. 605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to implement it. And we focus on the issues on the show, and we’ll mention the people pushing those issues, but we really are trying to stay out of the personality fighting that can occur just because of human nature. Let’s see, our word of the day, well, a couple of, yeah, let’s go to the word of the day. It’s disparate. It’s spelled D-I-S-P-A-R-A-T-E. It could be fundamentally distinct or different in kind, entirely dissimilar, or containing or composed of dissimilar or opposing elements. And we’ve got… people that say that they support the Constitution when, in essence, they are trying to undercut the Constitution, which is really a disparate message. Our quote of the day is from Marcus Aurelius, who was a Roman emperor. He was born in 121, died in 180. He said this, “‘It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live.'” And I am adding in something new. I was going through some of my books, and I found this. And it’s by George Washington. And it’s Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation. And so this is number two. And this is what George Washington said. He said, when in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered. Again, George Washington, he’s giving these different suggestions on how to live with good manners and in a civil society. And he said again, when in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered. I did want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And I want to say thank you to Hooters Restaurants. They’re closing the Lone Tree restaurant. location here this next sunday and the girls are coming over tomorrow night so we will be partaking of their wings day special but i will miss that and they are continuing with their locations in loveland on parker road here not far from the station and westminster and continuing to be sponsors of the show. How I Got to Know Them is a very important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats, and interested parties that are trying to control us and control is the opposite of freedom. And, of course, liberty is the responsible exercise of freedom. So let’s see. I did also want to mention… that we need to keep those in Texas with these floods in our prayers. It just breaks my heart to think that these little kids went to, these girls went to camp. You send your kids off to camp, school, you expect them to return at the end of the day, and it is just absolutely heartbreaking that this has occurred in the Texas Hill Country. And so our prayers go out to them. I wanted to talk with John Boson. It’s Tuesday and I always love to get his weekly updates. And John Boson is on the line. And what’s on your mind, John Boson?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, first of all, good morning, Kim. Oh, God, that’s a wide open question. Dangerous question to ask a lawyer. We got so much going on, Kim. You had mentioned in an earlier conversation about data collection, one we had off of there, and what can be done about it and what are the remedies, what can people do. So if you wanted to talk about that a little bit, we can talk about that this morning.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, let’s do that because our next guest, I’ll be talking with her about it as well because she’s all over this issue. But she, Virginia Maka with Stand for the Land Kansas, had sent a whole bunch of information over. And so I’ve not totally sourced this, but she had found a number and I tried to do a web search for it. that the data on kids in Kansas, the Kansas educational system is selling kids’ data. And there was a number that she had found which was pretty significant. And I thought about it. I thought, huh. First of all, I think we should own our own data, particularly with the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution where we should be secure in our papers and our persons and all that. Now, I know that we as adults, as I’ve floated this idea of owning our own data, people have said, well, Kim, we give our permission when we go onto an app or whatever. And I’d like to revisit that. But that seems to me, John, like that’s going to be a tough nut to crack. But I think… that if parents realize that their kids’ data is being collected at school and then sold, I think most parents don’t like that idea, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t like it. My kids are adults now, but what are they using that data for? Who are they selling that data to? Those would be questions I’d want answered, and I agree with you 100%. I mean, there have been a number of class action lawsuits against companies that have without consent collected data or data of people and then sold it to various companies for who knows what use. So there’s precedent there. I had not heard about what you just described going on in Kansas with kids and the state education department selling that information to who knows who.
SPEAKER 16 :
I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
For what purpose?
SPEAKER 16 :
So a couple of things. In our text message, I said, what do you think? Maybe a class action lawsuit? And you responded back and said, interesting. So we’re just ruminating on this, John. But I did buy the URL, own your kids. Let’s see, what was it? It’s like, own your kids’ data. So I did buy that URL because I think that this is something that might get legs. And I was thinking maybe a class action lawsuit would
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s definitely a possibility. Ruminate about it. I like that word. I’m ruminating about it. Always looking for certain types of cases that, you know, further a cause. And, again, my question, what are they collecting? Why are they collecting it? Whom are they selling it to? And for what purpose? What’s the end user using this for? And it upsets me. The one thing I think folks can do, not necessarily with their kids in the Kansas education system, but any time you see an opportunity where you’re asked when you’re on an app, can we track you? No. The answer is no. Because if they’re tracking you, they’re collecting data, and then they’re doing something with that data. Now, the situation in Kansas, that’s different. I mean, if I’m a parent… In Kansas, and I become aware of this, I’m writing the school district. I’m writing the whoever’s at the head of the Education Department in Kansas. I’m writing the governor. I’m writing my representatives, local and state representatives, and saying, stop. Don’t want this happening. As far as class actions, yeah, if you have enough people and you have a class, so to speak, that’s been grieved by something like this, Anything is potentially out there. I hadn’t thought about it until you texted me earlier, but you’re on to something, Kim. I’d be super curious just to find out. I mean, my curiosity, who are you selling this to? What is it being used for?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and our next guest, I can’t wait to talk with her about this because she’s really the person that’s probably planted this seed. As I’ve been ruminating on that, I love that word, too. John Bozen, on something separate, though, you help people if they’ve been injured. You help with Social Security disability, all those things. What is the best way for people to reach you if they’ve been injured?
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And again, that’s John Bozen with Bozen Law. John, thank you so much. And who knows where this seed is going to go that we’re planting here.
SPEAKER 05 :
We shall see.
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We shall see.
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All right, Kim, have a great rest of your show.
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Well, I was listening, Kim. I’m so glad that these subjects like data collection, especially on our children and the impact of what that could be on their future, is starting to come to the forefront and people are starting to realize this is maybe a situation that hasn’t got as much attention as it should garner. And it’s kind of like tax credits. That was not a discussion before the big, beautiful bill, nor our civil case that hit the federal court. And now people realize, even the people that signed leases, that they were duped. They were duped and they didn’t have all the facts and they didn’t know that trillions of dollars were being made on their backs. So it’s very nice to hear these subjects being brought up. It’s a long time coming for me.
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Well, you have been on the forefront of all of this, Virginia, and you really had planted this seed. And we’ll go through all these subjects here, but on the data collection on her children, you had done an amazing amount of research and had sent it over. And I was trying to refine it, but it seemed – and I don’t know how you found it – But it seemed like there was a number that the Kansas Department of Education had made $58 million by selling data on students. And I was trying to resource that. Do you recall that? Is that correct? And how did you find that?
SPEAKER 09 :
That is correct. So the Department of Administration in Kansas used to have those contracts and that information available on – This Kansas site that was an edict of a statute that said Kansas information, financial information had to be put out there on a website. Now that website’s no longer managed because they’ve moved it and they’ve moved contracts and they’ve moved contracts to the cloud. And so it’s very hard. to get that information if they deem that a cybersecurity risk or this or that, or third parties are now buying it from first parties and it becomes kind of a maze that you have to walk through. But those figures I gave you were from 2023 before they took everything. And I like to call it underground because if you’re not being transparent, And you have to make people start digging for this information that should be right out there on the website because it is taxpayers’ money. I like to call it, they took it underground and rearranged the way that we are able to access the Kansas government site. They’ve rebuilt it probably four times in the last three years. So it is a maze, but that is a correct fact of of actual contracts that are paid to the state for data and of course that list of contractors you know each one of them has a certain level of information that they requested or you know the degree or importance of that data the security of that data you know that information not supposed to be released like social security numbers or
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know so forth and they’re supposed to be protected by the law why would we release that to to uh third you know to contractors well there this is a follow the money thing so after i you’d sent that information over i did a quick search and and found a number of students in in kansas and It worked out to, I think it was about $140 per student. And I was thinking about it, and this is own your own data, is if parents wanted to sell their children’s data, So you have three kids in school, $450 or so. That’s real money to a family that’s struggling. So why, if data’s being sold, it seems like that you should be paid for it.
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You know, I thought the same thing. So when I went to an education hearing, what I heard was that parents don’t even know that when they sign their child up to register in school, they are actually opting them in to this system of collection. So what you saw there in those contract numbers was just information requested from the state of Kansas. Now, we have this longitudinal database that collects data across 50 states. on children, and it’s controlled in Washington, D.C. Could you imagine the amount of data on attitudes, values, and beliefs that are in that system? Because that’s what social emotional learning is about your attitudes, values, and beliefs. It shouldn’t be a fact at all. When it comes to education, it should be reading scores. It should be academics. And it seems like those are the least things that they are concerned about. They’re more concerned about behavioral beliefs, your morals. And when I suggested that it would become an opt-in only, that means you’re not automatically opted in, that the school actually has to talk to the parent, describe what data is going to be collected on them, and that parent has to sign on the red line that says, hey, get all the data you want from my kid. I don’t care. But you will find less than 1% of the parents ever saying that unless they’re coerced. The fallback from this was people opted their kids out of social and emotional learning, and they presented waivers. And what that did to the school districts was throw them in a bind where in order to get the federal money, they had to collect that information, no matter what. and what the parents said. So it became a parents’ rights thing. And you saw a significant amount of kids being removed from the public school system in Kansas and homeschooled. In fact, our homeschool population is really, it’s kind of unknown, but it’s significant. The numbers we get out of the education system are doctored numbers according to weighting scores. Like your kid could count as a kid and a half if he meets a certain criteria. So it becomes kind of an anomaly of, well, actual bodies. That’s what we want. That’s the number we want. But they’re giving us weighted numbers of kids.
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which makes no sense at all. Unless you’re trying to, I’m going to say, cook the books on the numbers is kind of what it’s… Kind of. Yeah. Interesting. Okay, Virginia, all of this is connected and such an important discussion. And Virginia is the founder of Stand for the Land Kansas. We have these important discussions because of our sponsors. And we are understanding how important our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, the Fourth Amendment to be secure in our possessions, the Second Amendment to protect ourselves against bad actors. And I’m so pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a sponsor of the show.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. And someone that is really a national security expert, I think, is Drew Dix, who’s a co-founder of the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. And Drew is a Medal of Honor recipient. He’s had just a myriad of experiences. And he started a new podcast. And you can find that by going to the website AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And his most recent one is regarding Homeland Security. So be sure and check that out. On the line with me is Virginia Maka. She is the founder of Stand for the Land Commission. kansas and she has really planted a seed with me on first of all i didn’t realize that our kids data was being sold by school districts i don’t think that i can’t believe that that’s unique to kansas you said that actually the federal government is dictating that this data has to be collected do you know when that started virginia maca
SPEAKER 09 :
So I believe around in 2016 when they started changing the data collection laws that protected us at the federal level. So probably under the Obama administration. Yes. He lifted the restraints of that law that protected our children’s data as well as ours. And through those bureaucracies, it has been just kind of a slow mirrored process until 2019 when I stumbled onto, it wasn’t really a government agency, but it was a government contract called the Kansas Information Consortium contract that every piece of data collected by the state government could be bought and sold, including our voter registrations and our voter rolls. So that kind of really startled me, the amount of data just being distributed out of our government on us. And some of it was the state government didn’t really have control of our county information or property information. And in 2020, We saw that change where our state connected 105 counties together on a cloud server that melted all of our data points into our profiles. And so that’s kind of what we’re seeing. And I know that’s a lot for your listeners to grasp that Kansas is the epicenter of the modernization, and modernization means data collection. So that’s why it’s important to fight the energy on every level that we can, because the expansion of this renewable energy, which is intermittent, it’s not baseload energy. That means at some point there’s not going to be enough data enough electric produced from these renewable energy nor transmitted energy power across lines to support these data centers nor the AI growth. So when we come to that point where we realize renewable energies were just kind of a folly and we’re not really concentrating on baseload, which is your coal and your gas and your nuclear and we’re not expanding those fields we find that someone’s going to come up short on energy supply and basically it’ll be the citizens of this great country it’ll be your manufacturing base of this great country and the data centers will consume every ounce of power we can produce For what reason? You know, it’s kind of like looking at a bad movie and trying to just guess what kind of bad ending it’s going to be. And I’m not a person that likes to do that. I’m a very positive person, but I just see not a good situation if we don’t start the battle somewhere. And the pushback.
SPEAKER 16 :
You have been on the forefront on this. And, of course, Stand for the Land Kansas, all about property rights. Property rights are inherent in the American idea that people could own property, everyday people could own property, what they can create with their mind, their tangible property. and everyday people thrive and prosper it’s called the american dream and these data centers i initially thought oh this is ai people talk about ai that you can put stuff in and it’ll spit stuff out and you’ll get information about and people use it that way but that’s not what these data centers are really going to be about it’s going to be about the data on each and every one of us. And that is an affront to the Constitution, the Fourth Amendment, where we can be secure in our own possessions. And so it’s a big web, though, Virginia, that you’re helping me unweave. And one of those is these uh co2 pipelines these transmission lines i thought that the tax credits for this was going to be addressed in the big beautiful bill did that happen you know we’re still trying to unwind the big beautiful bill and it’s hard for for someone with no legal background i have you know i’m familiar with some of the lingo
SPEAKER 09 :
But the way that they manipulate words in this bill, it’s even hard for lawyers to decipher because it gives openings to bureaucrats to interpret the law a little bit more than they should. So we’re still sorting that out. But what I like to watch, Kim, is the groups that come out and have meltdowns and you’re thinking, I thought you probably got everything you wanted in the bill. But we’re seeing solar companies melt down. We’re seeing solar stocks bottom out. We’re seeing cybersecurity like CrowdStrike. The market share is devaluing quickly. And so we’re seeing a lot of pieces that really don’t make sense because if you read the bill, you can’t maybe put that template over there on those groups. But when they start yelling, and they’re all yelling about the same thing, and that’s these tax credits, and we got to hurry and, you know, the pressure that’s being put on our counties to push these permits through has probably increased double. from the passing of the bill just to Monday.
SPEAKER 16 :
And is this pressure for solar projects and wind projects?
SPEAKER 09 :
Pressure for permits and data centers popping up everywhere in neighborhoods. Now, I want everyone to understand the amount of data being processed by these, just a small data center, can process a billion to a hundred billion pieces of information. That’s information or data points per day. That’s in 24 hours. Now, I don’t know about you, but what are they processing? What kind of data and where’s it coming from and who owns that data? That’s what I’m concerned about because you can’t have a data center on every corner. And your data not be involved. I listened to a podcast the other day, and the guy said the average American is being caught on cameras or photographed, average American, 700 times a day. Now, I looked to verify that, that this guy was an AI guy. So obviously, he probably knew what he was talking about because he’s on a national podcast. And I just sat back and thought, I don’t leave my house very often. But how many electronic devices do I have that are tracking me, transferring my data, footsteps to somewhere and I have no idea? So I think the average American needs a route to say, hey, could I have the list of data you’ve collected on me? Because I’d like to see my profile. Because they can produce that for you according to people that have dealt with longitudinal projects. But we don’t have a recourse for that. But I like your idea of owning your children’s data. That site… will get a lot of traction because people will get more concerned as their children get older.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I think so as well. And last question before we go to break from Richard. He said, ask Virginia why Kansas is always having a Democrat governor. Whoever that person is would always be a roadblock to common sense reform, right? That is correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
And we look at know the election of our democrat governor after we had um ultra they like to call it ultra conservative governor who swung through the fences and wanted to get rid of income tax the march to zero instead of incrementally he wanted to march to zero immediately which didn’t create a buffer When you do it incrementally, you get there slowly and methodically and reasonably. And when you want to run for president, so you just decide to swing the bat and hit the home run and just go to zero immediately, it had a lot of fallback on businesses. It had a lot of fallback. So the Republican… uh, party really didn’t have a message, uh, and didn’t have good, um, perhaps they got sidelined on a lot of issues that didn’t really garner the kind of importance that it was to maintain a common sense governor, um, that wasn’t running for another office and we get Laura Kelly. And Governor Kelly got elected again because the 2020 election, we had a lot of problems with the vote. The vote not making sense and the lockdown. And the amount of money being poured in by Facebook and Dropboxes and a lot of things that we didn’t have laws for. Nor did a lot of states. Right. And so, yes, we’re very focused on a governor’s race. This time around, a governor that makes sense for Kansas, that could have Kansas recover its sovereignty because right now we don’t have control of our utilities. And that undermines sovereignty. the American dream for a lot of people, a lot of people in manufacturing, a lot of people in business.
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Absolutely. So, Virginia, we’re going to continue the discussion. When we come back, you have done something monumental regarding a lawsuit, and people should be on the edge of their seat. to hear what that is all about. And we have these discussions and as clearly we are an independent voice as Virginia is as well. And that happens because of our sponsors. And Lorne Levy is your expert in mortgages. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York. And that seems like that’s becoming smarter and smarter day by day.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Check out the website for the USMC Memorial Foundation. They are raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial. This is the official Marine Memorial. It’s located in Golden at 6th and Colfax. And it is so important that we take care of it, that we honor it and support it. And you can do that by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. On the line with me is Virginia Maka. She’s the founder of Stand for the Land Kansas. And the text line is busy with lots of questions. But, Virginia, we have limited time and want you to introduce what you are doing from a legal standpoint with a recent lawsuit. So bring us up to speed on that.
SPEAKER 09 :
So around June 16th, we entered into an amicus brief hearing. to support a civil case that was in the federal court against solar. And this is 15,000 acres, predicted 15,000 acres. They’ve got 11,000 acres under contract right now of industrial solar in Jackson County. And that’s in Kansas, right? That’s in Kansas, Jackson County, Kansas. And the landowners that entered into the civil case are completely surrounded by solar now, by solar leases. And they are executing those leases left and right. So the solar is owned by Jeffrey Solar Project, and their owner is Nextera Energy. If no one knows who Nextera is, they’re a global energy conglomerate. they buy and sell utilities and bundle them, such as water, electric, gas. So they’re a big player and they came to Kansas and they became a utility. And that is where I first entered this whole thing. But the federal case involved suing Janet Yellen over the IRA tax credits, negating the regulations that the NEPA review should have applied to the implementation of the Inflation Reduction Act that was passed in 22 and the Administrative Procedures Act, the APA, where every government agency, federal agency, has to address NEPA in some shape, way, or form when it comes to implementing laws and hearings on rules. public input on rules, which never happened on these tax credits. So we took on a lot. And Judge Teeter did not rule that day that our injunction was invalid because we asked for an injunction to just say stop. Give us a breather. Let us get a energy plan together for Kansas, for Kansans that fit all Kansans. Instead, we have regional federal regulators running the show here in Kansas. And it’s been horrendous on property, eminent domain. It’s been horrendous on people surrounded by solar now. And so these tax credits, if you’re not familiar, are in the trillions of dollars over the time of these leases to expire. Some of these leases go 40 years. And by 40 years, these industrial solar battery and wind will have completely destroyed the soil, impacted the environment, to a point in Kansas where I’m not sure what Kansas will look like in 20 years in the ag industry, because everything, it seems, goes against our principles of agriculture. So we entered as an amicus brief, and they believe that the amicus brief and the hundreds of people that joined that brief to give the judge a view of it’s not just solar, it’s transmission, it’s wind, it’s battery storage, it’s data centers, it’s all these things we see coming at us that are going to impact our rural communities and our economy here in Kansas. So we provided on a site called friendsofthecourt.com. You can see documentaries of families impacted. You can see people that filed comments for the court to read. And these people are from Kansas. We had a lot of people from other states also comment, but we only submitted those that were pertinent to the Kansas case. Judge Teeter outlined all the maybe missteps the civil case had, and we’re ready to go back at it. We don’t know the strategy forward. We just got the ruling on July 1st. But she outlined the missteps, which gives us a template to go forward so we can cover those. And I think the biggest thing, in my opinion, that was missing was The Department of Energy should have been a huge factor in this case because of the amount of high-risk loans they’re giving these renewable companies and then releasing that money in loans into long-term debt bonds being bought by Vanguard and BlackRock. So you look at a situation like that, which is way above my pay grade, but when I can put papers like that together, it makes me go, oh, like this is much bigger. These tax credits are much bigger. We’re into the trillions of dollars, and we see our debt rising every day. So we’re not done in the amicus brief. If you’d like to join the amicus brief, from whatever state you’re in, from whatever – sector that you want to address, whether it’s data centers, whether it’s what you see happening to your town. We love comments. All you have to do is leave your zip code so we know where you’re from and the area you’re from. We can identify the problems there. And as we go forward, I think the amicus brief will become a larger tool that we have in our toolbox. And so that is my hope, is to develop a tool for all of us to use.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and the goal of Virginia then is to stop, to get rid of these tax credits, right? Because if you get rid of the tax credits, then these things are not economically viable to put these projects in. So that’s the goal, yes? The goal is to defund it.
SPEAKER 09 :
And when you hurt the defunding they rethink. They find another way. You know, they’re always, you know, it was free money. It’s our money that they’re investing against us, taking our land. And President Trump sees that. And somehow, I think that will be addressed down the line if it’s not fully addressed in the bill. While we sort that out, we’ll continue on with this case because I think it has legs. And I don’t think the judge would have wrote such a probably detailed brief of where we failed to address something. And I think going forward, she just outlined how we go forward. And so I think we have a bat. We just need to learn how to swing it. And I’m ready to go. And there are a lot of people with me on this because they’re seeing the end product is that if I could leave your viewers with just a couple of words of wisdom, is start a group of like minds that address your concerns, whether it’s solar, whether it’s wind, in your community, whether it’s government spending or questionable spending in your counties. The power of one begins with the power of you. And that’s what helped the amicus spree grow legs in a very short time. These groups were able to connect together and have that information. And it became, in less than an hour, it trended on Facebook, just a small amicus ad. And we had thousands of people coming to the website. We were overwhelmed. But we submitted to the judge those that signed and were commented, you know, in time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Virginia, we are out of time. But that website is friendsofthecourt.com. You are a regular American patriot. Thank you. Well, thank you, Kim, for all you do.
SPEAKER 09 :
And thank the listeners for really paying attention.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. Locally. Absolutely. Virginia Baca, we’ll talk again soon. Thank you, Kim.
