Can Modern Technicians Fix Old Cars?
Hour two begins with a trip back to the days when a worn-out pickup could become a homemade camping trailer. Jerry and John Rush recall removing the engine, transmission and cab, bending the frame rails into a tongue and turning the remaining truck bed into a camper. The conversation expands into assigned VINs for homemade trailers, modifying older vehicles and the limited inspections applied to vintage cars.
Bob shares the story of a Meyers Manx dune buggy inherited by a woman whose father built it from an old Volkswagen. Alan then recalls meeting creator Bruce
SPEAKER 21 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 02 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. A Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel car until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
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Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado Select Auto Care Centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560 The Source.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it is Drive Radio, KLZ 560, Hour 2. Thanks for joining us, by the way. And question of the day is, what’s the longest you’ve ever owned a vehicle and what made you keep it that long? 303-477-5600 is our phone number. Don’t forget, any questions that you’ve got car-wise could be… And, guys, everything from we had one caller asking, you know, got a CVT transmission, when should I actually change fluid in that and service it to we get questions on how often should we change, you know, engine oil and all sorts of things along those lines. So you name it, whatever question you’ve got, you could have a noise, a problem, a light that’s on, whatever. You name it, we’re here to answer those questions. Josh Goff with me here from Ridgeline Auto Brokers and Legacy Automotive, 303-477-5600. And Jerry from Greeley, you are next. Go ahead, Jerry.
SPEAKER 06 :
About 50 years ago, some friends and I took an old pickup that the engine was shot and took off the cab, took the engine out and the transmission, and turned it into a trailer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very common back in the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. We had one of those.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m sorry? And he had the box and all the frame and everything. And we somehow, I don’t know exactly how he did it, but he bent the frame rails in, made a V out of it, put a tongue on the front of it. And it had a regular axle in the back, like a regular diff that we had to change the fluid in it periodically because it had a regular axles and everything in it, just like a regular diff did. And the yoke spun, there just wasn’t any drive shaft there. And it had lights on it, just like the regular pickup truck would have had. He put a camper shell on it. We made a little camper unit out of it by doing so. And that was very common back then.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and as I recall, the state patrol had to inspect the trailer.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they assigned you a VIN. I don’t know exactly how all that worked, but there was a home. And you can still do that today. You can still do homemade trailers today and get assigned a VIN and it has to be inspected still. That part, Jerry, really hasn’t changed much. That’s still the way it is today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, well, that’s what I was wondering, if that’s still possible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, no, and there’s still some of those around. Yeah. Now, what’s happened is since those days, and for everybody to kind of trip down memory lane back then, there wasn’t really many trailer manufacturers, Jerry, other than guys making RVs and maybe some flatbed trailers and things like that. But there wasn’t many pre-made trailers. So in a lot of cases, if you wanted a trailer like what we’re talking about, you made your own back then.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, in our case, my dad’s Jimmy at the time was red with a white top. Well, we had the same thing with the red box on what we were towing, and then he had a white camper shell. And we even went as far as I think, Jerry, I’m trying to do this from memory because I haven’t seen that thing in, you know, decades. I mean, we used to camp in it and we’d go hunting in it and so on when I was a kid. And I think we even put a little heater, you know, where you had to put the vent on the outside of the box and stuff. So we even had a little heater to heat the inside of it when we were hunting and stuff. And we had the thing pretty well dialed in, but I look back on how small that was, and somehow my dad and my brother and I all slept in that thing somehow. I don’t know how we did it, but we did.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sounds fun.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know? Well, you know what they were. You know, those were some of those times where, you know, honestly, Jerry, growing up, I didn’t know we didn’t have a ton of money. I mean, I thought my dad had, you know, set the world on fire, and we had everything he ever needed, and I didn’t realize he did all that homemade because he didn’t have the money to go buy anything else. We didn’t have money to go buy a camper trailer or anything like that, so he did the best he could, and Jerry, I didn’t know any different.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, but the value of what you learned, far greater, I think.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely, absolutely. But we had a lot of fun in that rig with the Jimmy pulling the short box trailer behind it, I guess you would call it. And he made all that work, and it had regular tailgate, which is the camper shell, and he rigged it all up to where we had little styrofoam beds to sleep on, and somehow, someway made it all work, and we had a blast doing it.
SPEAKER 06 :
A friend of mine mentioned recently that he’s got a 61 Mercedes sedan that he says he changed everything in the engine, the transmission, the wiring, the brakes, and the suspension. And so I guess maybe that’s kind of similar to… to the old trailer, do it yourself. If you do work like that yourself, basically, I mean, do you have to get an engineering report from somebody to actually put a vehicle on the road?
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope, that is one of the oddities of life in America, I guess you could say, is unless you’re in a state like Colorado where that car wouldn’t apply, but some of the newer vehicles, you still have to pass emissions and do some things along those lines. But outside of emissions tests, Jerry, we don’t live in a state where there are any kind of a safety inspection or anything along those lines. So to be honest with you, no, it’s kind of the Wild West as far as that goes. There is nobody checking on what you’re doing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you mentioned the missions. I hadn’t thought of that. I mean, would he have to meet whatever the… No, he’s old enough.
SPEAKER 03 :
He doesn’t have to do anything. He’s past that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
On a 61, there’s nothing to do there at all.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s fascinating.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, if you think about it that way… The fact that you can pretty much – I mean, you can take a titled car from 61 and pretty much put any kind of a combination of engine, transmission, running gear, whatever you want under it. And no, Jerry, there is nobody coming along telling you that it has to meet a specific – spec and handle this way and perform this way or that way i mean i mean you would want it to i guess because which side note this just shows you that do we need all of the government intervention that we have to actually get from a to b you’re talking about things jerry that prove that no we don’t because nobody wants to drive an unsafe vehicle because you’re not going to go from a to b anyway so you’re going to make it work or you’re not going to drive it anyways you would hope so
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the people that would have the ability to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, because here’s the other thing on vehicles. This comes along a lot when it comes to street rods and things like that. If you don’t get some of your basics done on the drivability side, what I mean by that is if you don’t have camber, caster, alignment, and some things set, the car’s not going to go down the road. I mean, you’ll have so many problems that you won’t go past 20 miles an hour, and it’s undriveable at that point. So the reality is, you know, for the most part, you make them drivable because if you don’t, you won’t. It’s that simple. Or you trailer it everywhere, and you just drive it around the parking lots of these car shows and such, and they don’t go over five miles an hour, and I guess at that point, who cares? Exactly. And by the way, there’s a lot of them. I look at some of these street rods, not to get off on a tangent, but I look at a lot of street rods on eBay or Facebook Marketplace or whatever, and I look at how some of these are made, and I think, yeah, that’s a trailer queen because it’s never being driven anywhere. I can tell by how it’s set up it’s never going to drive anywhere. It looks good. It’s a nice showpiece, but it’s never going anywhere.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Back to the emissions, when did the emissions laws really come into effect? I don’t recall.
SPEAKER 03 :
75 and newer? I think it was 75, yeah, 74, 75. I’d have to read the number, or read the law, Jerry, but I think it’s 75 and newer. And even that’s dicey on whether it even has to have emissions.
SPEAKER 04 :
Even though, even in this state, I know 69, I know for a fact you have to still do the e-test on it. Not the dyno test, but you have to do the tailpipe test on it. Because I had a car that was that old and I had to do that. But he just went there and they checked the tailpipe. And I think back then they still looked under the hood and made sure you had a PCV valve. And that was about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, well, that’s all very interesting. I appreciate the information, Joe.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re very welcome, Jerry. No, great questions, by the way. Bob, you’ve got a story for us. Let’s give you plenty of time. We’ll take a break. We’ll come back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Okay, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Bob and Thornton, go ahead. You’re next.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, this has nothing to do with me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m going to relay this story, and it wraps around this lady and her sister, and they were probably about 70-ish, late 60s, 70s. They were on their way to Carmel, California, to go to a wedding.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
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And when I picked her up, the garage door was open, and I noticed there was an old dune buggy in there, so I had to ask her a question about that. And she knew the exact story, and here’s how it went. I said, where did you get it? She said, I inherited it when my father died.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
She said, when I was a young girl, or when we were young girls, her and her sister, I think they might have been a year.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, right, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
They were 69, 70 years old. She said that her father had an old Volkswagen, and he didn’t know what to do with it. And right then in California, there was a company called Meyers, and they made the Meyers Banks in the mid-’60s, and you bolted it onto an old VW and turned it into a dune buggy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Really? That I didn’t know.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s what her father did, and he put it on top of a 1951 VW. And then later on, she discovered that she had to change out the engine after she got it because the original engine was 1.1 liters, 25 horsepower.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
At Myers-Maxx, I looked it up, and they were the original builders of those fiberglass bolt-on things. You take your old Volkswagen body and throw it in the trash and bolt one of those things on there. And so she said her dad did that. She said, I don’t know how long he had the Volkswagen before that, you know, but he converted that somewhere in the mid-60s. And he had it around, and then when he died, she got it. So it was around a long time. But I thought that was pretty, when your subject came up, it reminded me, and I only drove her two days and go to the airport, but that’s a long way to keep a car. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting. That’s a fun car to have, though.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I looked it up. Meyers-Manks. The first one was in California, and then it spread, you know. 1964 was when he came out with that thing. It was a one-piece thing. You took the body off the VW, threw it in the garbage. and four bolts that bolted on what was left of the car.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you’d throw the motor and suspension transmission over, and it was super light because it was like early fiberglass, and you couldn’t keep the Volkswagen Beetle going anymore, but now you could have something to play around in.
SPEAKER 07 :
Big fat tires on it, you know?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they are cool looking.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, that’s my story. It was pretty funny.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I appreciate that. I remember growing up, We at the dealership some way, somehow ended up with a dune buggy for a trade or something. And I wasn’t able to drive at that point. I was only like, I don’t know, 13 or 14. But I can remember being able to tool that thing around the dealership lot and so on. And it was fun. I mean, I could see why guys owned those back in the day. But they were kind of a – not kind of. They were a fad that lasted for X amount of time and then kind of –
SPEAKER 04 :
vanished why it just went away i think it wasn’t practical for anything but running around town in you know so i mean they weren’t the safest thing they weren’t safe you had to like climb over them again because there were no doors when you just climbed in and out of the thing yeah you just sat in the thing and usually like the seats were almost cast into the fiberglass yeah they were yeah that’s true yeah and you know there was no protection from anything there you had
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you had to kind of make yourself fit the car, not the car fit you. You did, yeah. I mean, if you were, like in my case, I was not super tall when I was like 13 or 14. So you had to like sit at the edge of the seat, push the clutch in to be able to even drive it and all of that. So you kind of had to just make do because the car wasn’t super comfortable by any means.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they weren’t comfortable. It was just like take it to the beach.
SPEAKER 03 :
What was funny is, you know, we used to put cars in and out every night. And that one, because it was open, you ran it in every night because you didn’t want it sitting outside because it would get rained on or snowed on or whatever. And I don’t know how we ended up with the dumb thing anyways, but they used to make me move it around because I was, you know, young and agile and, you know, 13 or 14, you’d crawl in and out of it way easier than some old guy could. So I was like, John, go pull this, you know, go pull that car. And I’m like, sure, I’d be happy to because I love driving it anyway, so I didn’t care. But I know now why I was designated for the driver of that because nobody else wanted to climb in and out of the bloody thing because I was small enough to do it easier. Right. Because to your point, they weren’t much. It’s like getting out of a boat, you know, because you’ve got to kind of go over the gunnels to get out of the thing. That’s right. When you were 13 or 14, it’s not a big deal to climb in and out of the thing. All the old guys didn’t want to drive it anyways. No, they didn’t. I remember they had the big… You know, those things had the headers with, like, the big chrome tubes that came straight out in the back, and it had all, you know, all that was exposed in the back because, you know, you kind of show the engine off on those things, and they’d dress them up with different… And then, I mean, you know, I thought the thing had all the power in the world, but, you know, it probably was a gutless wonder, but…
SPEAKER 04 :
Especially at this altitude.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because they didn’t have, I mean, what was the horsepower of those things at that point in time? 40? 35?
SPEAKER 04 :
They weren’t much, were they?
SPEAKER 03 :
Go-kart probably had more power than that did. It’s a good thing it didn’t weigh anything, though.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s true. All fiberglass body.
SPEAKER 03 :
Just a fiberglass body, and the body was the body. I mean, everything just bolted to the body.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right? The suspension and everything. I mean, there wasn’t a chassis or anything underneath it. No, there wasn’t. It was just the body, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
That was it, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they all had that heavy, like, metal flake. Bass boat paint. Yeah, exactly. It was all like this gel coat of, like, this super sparkly, you know, huge metal flake. We’re going back in time for some of you guys. Some of you guys probably remember that. But anyways, it’s hilarious. So anyways, 303-477-5600. Alan Lakewood, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, hi, John. Uh, I just wanted to add a little personal note about the dune buggy. Uh, my wife and I flew out to California, LA and went to the first classic car show. I want to say it was probably five years ago and walking around, we bumped into this guy and he had a dune buggy sitting there and it was actually Bruce Myers. Oh, okay. And he was probably in his, I’m going to say he was in his mid eighties, something like that. And we chatted for a long time. In fact, uh, After I left, I kicked myself because I didn’t get a picture or an autograph or anything, but I always remember talking to him. And he told me that he took a 1959 Beetle in 1964, I believe it was, and he took the body off like the gentleman previous to me was talking, and he took some propane tanks and converted, I don’t know, it sounded like they were you know maybe 30s or 40 pound propane tanks and he converted them to fuel tanks and he put one on each side and then of course he built the tires up built the motor up and so on put that fiberglass body on there yeah and actually drove the baja 500 really wow and that’s what i remember him saying i haven’t gone back and googled it to confirm any of it but uh it wasn’t that long ago so that’s what i remember from uh talking to Bruce Myers, the original Myers-Manks. That was the name of his car. It was pretty cool. It was great we got to meet him.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s really cool. And they were a little tougher back then, the Baja 500 and that contraption. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
You think about some of this really quick, Al. You think about some of this and think, I mean, you look at some of the, nothing against modern-day racers and so on, and yes, the speeds are higher, and these guys are, you know, trust me, they’re athletic, and I’m not taking anything away from them. But you talk about, like Josh is saying, some of the old guys that did some of the things they did, and you’ve got to think, those guys were tougher than a boot, Al.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Well, you know, those guys in, you know, this is the industrial America that we live in today is they came back from the war with all these, you know, these mechanical skills and they applied them to all kinds of stuff. True. They made chair lifts. I mean, you know, the list goes on and on of what those those greatest Americans did. And anyway, that was my story. And part of why I remember the 59 is I have a 1959. Volkswagen Beetle that I bought in 92. It’s convertible. Volkswagen only made, I think, about 300 of them went to the Carmen factory where they cut the top off and put the, you know, little convertible top, vinyl top with the horse hair insulation. And I still have it. And it’s, you know, it’s not been restored. It’s been repainted once. They’re matching numbers, motor, and I think about Bruce when I drive it. That’s cool.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a good story, Al.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, good to talk to you guys. No, I appreciate you sharing, Al.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, that was really great. I appreciate that. Those are good stories. I appreciate it. All right, we’ve got a car review coming up. Did a Mazda review on Monday. Drove a, by the way, really nice car. They do a great job. Listen up. We’ll come back right after that. Myself, Josh Goff. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, that time of the week where we do car reviews. Myself and Richard do these, and I recently was able to drive, Richard, a 2026 Mazda CX-5. This was the 2.5 S Premium Plus. This car retails out at $38,990, which in that kind of that midsize is what I would call this car, you know, SUV, I guess you could say, a smaller SUV SUV. It’s about average price-wise, and let me give you all the pros. I don’t have too many cons on this, but let me give you all the pros. By the way, Mazda, great job. You guys always do a great job on your cars. By the way, this came with the candy apple red paint, which is absolutely gorgeous. It is actually one of my most favorite colors of vehicles that are out there, and Mazda does such a great job on cars. just how everything looks. I mean, that is a hard color to paint, and it’s even, and it flows, and it looks great. But this thing comes fully equipped, this particular model that we drove. I mean, it’s got everything. Speaking of the safety end of things, it’s got, of course, advanced knee, side curtain, rear seat, side impact airbags, traction control, smart braking system, rear cross-traffic alert. Of course, the Mazda’s famous radar cruise control, their adaptive cruise control, front and rear park sensors, and so on. And my point here, Richard, is you get a lot of vehicle with options with Mazda that you may not get in some of the other models that are out there. In other words, you’re getting a little bit more bang for your buck. And the car, again, beautiful color, beautiful interior. They really do a great job. If you’re looking for a lesser expensive, I guess you could say, you know, I’d call this the midsize SUV. Plenty of room inside. No, it’s not a three-row. This is a two-row vehicle. Yeah. You know, if you’re two people or two people and a couple of kids, is there enough room inside? There most definitely is. Great vehicle. Again, nothing really bad to say. Maz is very well known for its quality, longevity, and so on. My only complaint. This is it. I only have one complaint. At our altitude. The 187 horsepower, 2.5 engine, not that it was gutless. I’m not trying to say that. But when you’re used to driving some of the other vehicles that we have the opportunity to get behind and drive, yes, this one seems a little bit lackluster in the performance end of things. Would it keep me from buying this car or recommending somebody buy this car? Absolutely not. In fact, for a first-time driver, much like we were talking about a few minutes ago, or if you’re looking to buy a car, Have your teenager drive this car two, three years down the road. Would this be a great choice of a vehicle along those lines? Absolutely, Richard. There’s not a single thing wrong with the vehicle in that regard. But for me personally, does this have the power that I would want? Me personally, no, but no offense, this probably isn’t my car anyway. So at the end of the day, does it compete well in its market? Yeah, it does.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was just going to say that this is one of the most competitive car classes out there. This midsize, you know, just slightly above a compact, what I would say, a compact SUV, right? Right. A midsize SUV market. There are so many entries into this market and into this class of vehicle that Mazda does a really nice job. They’ve got a really nice interior and folks haven’t. been in one i encourage you to go out and test it because you’ll get used to it but like you say that for for a lot of use cases in and this one fully equipped right which is a lot of the vehicles that we get to test are fully equipped under forty thousand dollars i believe you can get this vehicle for just over 30 right depending on how you want to equip it which like you say for a first time um you know for first time or you kind of what we were talking about before which we’ll get to i’m sure a little bit more you know later you know, to be used for other purposes, too. Great option. Mazda’s come a long way. The looks of the car, I really do like that Candy Apple Red.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, sorry, and I forgot to mention, the Candy Apple Red, it’s $38,990 plus the $595 for the paint plus destination puts this car just a tad over $40, $41, $080, although I will tell you, you could probably buy this car for A little less than that right now, given what the market’s doing. And this particular car comes no charge with the Premium Plus package, which gives you the larger 15-inch display, paddle shifters, power liftgate, front cross-traffic alert, driver monitoring, driver personalization, adaptive front lighting, meaning the lights turn and do exactly what they need to. By the way, they work very, very well. And cruising and traffic support with lane change assistance. And all of that is a no charge on this car as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that’s one thing that Mazda does well, Dad, is they kind of put the trim levels, I guess, for lack of better words, and then you sort of get what you get, right? You kind of know what you’re buying with the trim level, which makes the car buying experience, folks, you don’t have to worry as much about customizing, right? You’re just kind of… Okay, I like this car. This car all comes on it. Great. And yeah, there’s maybe a paint option or two that I want to add or an accessory. Here you go. So no, I think it’s a great car, Dad. Great option for those that maybe have got a smaller family or maybe just the kids are gone and you still want a little bit extra room.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and, yeah, for those of you that get a lot of people on Drive Radio asking me, hey, looking for a small SUV, we have downsize. We don’t need that larger SUV. We don’t need three rows anymore. You know, what do you recommend that’s still pretty good as far as the creature comforts go? We’ve got all the options that we want, but I don’t want to spend, you know, $60,000 on a vehicle. Well, here you go. Here is your answer. I would say, guys, go test drive this at your local Mazda dealer. Let them know that John and Richard Rush both sent you. And again, please, go drive this car. You will not be dissatisfied when you do.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Josh and I talking through the break there. We’ll talk about this now until our next break. And this is not to take anything away from modern techs, technicians, because they’re great. They can fix things. They can diagnose things. And we need them. I’m not taking anything. If you’re one of the people we’re talking about, I’m not taking anything at all away from you. We need you. Glad you’re in the industry, and I appreciate all that you do and the hard work that you do and so on. With all that being said, though, Josh calls them mechanics of old. Call them technicians, mechanics, whatever you want to. But back in my day when I first started learning how to do things in Josh the same, you actually had to kind of innovate. There were times where if something wasn’t quite right, you might have to actually make something to make something actually work when it’s all said and done because it may not just be bolt-on, plug-and-play. So you knew how to fabricate, I guess you could say, and how to innovate and make things work. And again, not taking anything away from a modern-day technician, but I’ll just tell you straight up right now, they don’t know how to do that. They don’t. And I’m not I’m not I’m not ditzing them. I’m not throwing them under the bus, but they don’t have the same mindset. And maybe that’s a good thing, because in some cases you can’t innovate. You know, if something on a computer driven vehicle and system isn’t plug and play and doesn’t work correctly and you can’t program it correctly, there’s no working around it. That I understand. But their ability to make something work and fabricate something, those skills are almost gone. Yeah, they’re dying. Yeah, they really are. They are. And I don’t know how we bring that back, Josh.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it’s hard, though, with modern cars, too, though, because of the liability factor. I get that. If we do not follow the procedure the way the manufacturer does, then, you know, we’re not the engineers as they, you know, we’re the technicians. Right. And sometimes they tell us, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and by the way, here’s a great example we’re talking about. This is coming in from, I think, Minnesota. Yeah, Minnesota. Noise in a right front 08 Grand Cherokee 5.7 Hemi. Diagnosed it was a wheel bearing, so replaced the wheel bearing with, unfortunately, a cheap bearing from Rock Auto. Yeah, I’m sorry. The old bearing was grinding when I tested it. It definitely was bad. Had to pound on it pretty hard to get it out because I’m in Minnesota and it was all rusty. Yep, I get that. After the repair, it was quiet, but now there’s a hum in the right front. I also noticed that I have a torn outside CV boot in the right front. Do you know what might be the problem? Well, it could be the CV-making noise, by the way, if you’ve got a boot that’s bad. probably need to put an axle in it. I wouldn’t put a boot on it. I would put an axle in it. But I would not buy a Rock Auto axle or wheel bearing.
SPEAKER 04 :
And then the splash shield.
SPEAKER 03 :
And tell them why.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, one, poor quality. But the other thing on that is the splash shield, too. Every time you do a bearing, we always end up… Yeah, especially in a rusty area, you end up taco-ing the splash shield. So some of the noise could be coming from that splash shield rubbing. True. But the low-quality bearings, I mean, I’ve had them bad out of the box. They just aren’t built to the same standards, you know. The balls and the ball bearings aren’t necessarily round.
SPEAKER 03 :
We were talking earlier about some of the counterfeit stuff, and I’m not saying that Rock Auto is selling counterfeit parts, but are there parts… of a lesser quality than what you’re going to go down and buy. And by the way, even in Napa, there’s a good, better, best brand, I guess you could say, even in the Napa system. In all of our shops, Josh included, when available, sometimes there’s no choice, but when available, we’re using the best products of the line that they have for that vehicle at that time. Now, again, there might be a supply issue, which means you’ve got to come down one notch. But frankly, even their one notch down in Napa is probably 10 notches above what Rock Auto is. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. There is a big difference. And typically, again, in our system, you’re going to buy or you’re going to be recommended and sold. And just take a minute here and explain this. This is where a lot of times I had talked to one of my clients yesterday where he’s talking about how customers are complaining that his prices are too high. And I said, well, I can tell you from looking at all of your data because I have access to his software that no, they’re not. In fact, we need to raise prices in some areas because you’re not making as much money as you should be. So they’re wrong. The problem is, though, is when somebody compares a wheel bearing price from, let’s say, Josh or the client I had yesterday compared to a rock auto. Well, yeah, you’re going to see a major difference in those two. But then I go back to the text message I just got. Do you want to do that part one time or do you want to do it over and over again?
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, and that’s part of going to a mechanic. We know. We’ve dealt with the bad parts. You know the parts that aren’t any good. And we know anymore parts are changing all the time. We know which ones are going to give us the best performance and the ones that are going to last versus the white box specials that don’t make it out the door. Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s go to Mark in Denver. Mark, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
How are you gentlemen today?
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, Mark. How are you? Good to see you.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m very good. I saw you at the show, John, at Loprino. I wanted to talk to you, but it looked like you had crawled out of a jungle in Bangladesh.
SPEAKER 03 :
We had a lot going on, let’s just say that.
SPEAKER 10 :
It was hot.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was hot, and we had major technical difficulties, which makes everything always more stressful.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s why I said, you know what, another day and another time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I appreciate that, Mark, and I still would have stopped and chatted, but I appreciate that. Thank you for your understanding.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not a problem. So… Anyway, I’ll tell you, the car I’ve had for the longest time, obviously, is the Porsche 2003. Yep. 993 Carrera S. Yep. And that car has gone through the roof in terms of value. I had Paul’s company redo the insurance on it. It’s now worth $250.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow, that’s amazing. Unbelievable. That’s good. Good for you.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s gone a long time. So anyway, back to the Prius show. So I’m looking through the show, and… I see this guy in the corner of my eye. He’s got a 96 Carrera Carrera. I walk up and talk to him. I said, how many miles you got in this car? He said, 10,000 miles. I said, what? Bought this car and paid very little for it. He said, what’s this thing worth? I said, at least $150,000. But the guy knew nothing about Porsche, nothing about maintenance, something about it. I said, please, take it to this guy and push a little, he’s an air-cooled specialist, and get it serviced. He said, when’s the last time you changed wheels? I don’t remember. Oh, yeah, one of those guys. And I’m going, I need to rescue this car from you, you know?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s good.
SPEAKER 10 :
No idea how to service this car, no idea what he was doing. I said, oh, these tires are still about 10 years old. I said, please, don’t drive this thing another foot. He said, I can’t get the car started. He said, what do you mean you can’t get started? Well, I don’t remember how old the battery is. People like this should not own these cars.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and it makes you wonder, how did they get it in the first place?
SPEAKER 10 :
You know what? Just like me, the guy needed the money for a Harley, a new Harley.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Back in 2003. And I guess it’s just dumb luck. He told me the car was sold. I said, okay, all right. But I’m getting that check on New Year’s Day. I said, really? A check on New Year’s Day? Well, come to find out, that check never showed up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 10 :
So, at any rate, but yeah, beautiful car, all original paint. Scenes were perfect, but I’ll probably never see this guy again. I gave him my phone number, but I think I scared him. I think he’s long gone.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and to your point, there are those out there that buy cars that, frankly, they’ve got the money, they’ve got the ability, they’re at the right time and place, but frankly are really not the proper owner of the car at the end of the day to do the car real justice. Yeah, they’ve got the money and they bought the car, but they have no idea what they own.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s just a shame to have what I call maintenance-deferred cars. They’re either going to do it the right way. It’s like you talk about the right parts. Only Porsche factory parts for me. Nothing else. I won’t even touch another part. Because they’re engineered for the car.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Good point. Great point, Mark. Good story. And I miss you. Next time we’re out and about, make sure you come by and say hi.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ll be happy to. I was talking to your wife. She’s a Porsche person. Yes, she is. Obviously, she had more That’s true. No, she did.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right about that. She absolutely did.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Appreciate you, Mark. No, thank you very much. We’ll take a break. We’ll come right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560, wrapping up this second hour. Lines are open. 303-477-5600. 303-477-5600. Anything you want to call and chat about, please. We are here to answer questions, whatever that might be. It could be just regular general maintenance. You could have a problem, a noise. Anything along those lines, let us know. We’ll help you out. And, again, we were talking in that last segment before Mark called about, you know, just the… The modern-day technicians, and we need them, and I’m not criticizing at all, but their ability to sort of, I guess you could say, think on the fly and fabricate things, guys, they don’t have that ability. It was interesting. I had a question this week from a listener. I want to make sure I clarify something because I do the best I can. And for some of you listening, sometimes my text messages and our emails back are very short, and I’m not trying to be – I’m not – Those aren’t angry messages or anything like that. It’s just I’m limited on time. So I don’t have a ton of extra time to sit and type out paragraph after paragraph of things. So a lot of times my answers are pretty short on, you know, what you need to do. And I had a listener that called in or texted me, I should say, asking about getting work done on a 1986 Honda. 86, not 2006, but 86. And needing somebody that’s got the ability to have vacuum line diagrams and things like that. And honestly, my answer back, because he was asking, where do I take this? And my answer back was, I have no idea, because getting somebody to work on a 40-year-old vehicle, which is what it is now. is really difficult because, A, that information, unless somebody has kept that around, is really difficult to find. You may find some things out on the Internet, but is it accurate is the key, you know, based upon your exact vehicle, hard to tell. And then finding somebody that even understands vacuum lines and carburetors on an 86, which, by the way, was like spaghetti wiring, I mean, or spaghetti hose, I guess you could say. I mean, there’s a lot going on on those cars, and finding somebody that can do that, it’s really difficult. And then on top of that, even me as a coaching consultant, I would tell my shops that I consult with, don’t work on that car.
SPEAKER 04 :
We can’t work on those cars.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because you can’t make any money at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I cut my teeth on those cars. I know them, but I can’t get parts. The last ones I had that I was doing carburetors on because I’ve rebuilt probably 1,000 of those carburetors back in the day because we used to do two, three a week. and I can’t get carburetors. There’s none that are left to even work on. I had to pull three out of a junkyard back seven years ago to glue together one carburetor for a customer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. And it was… And by that time, you can’t charge enough money to make that work. There was no money.
SPEAKER 04 :
It was just a car I’d literally worked on for probably almost close to 10 years at that point and been a good customer.
SPEAKER 03 :
You do it as a favor. It was a favor is what it was. Because you’re making zero money.
SPEAKER 04 :
There was zero money, and I’m like, when this carburetor is done, there’s nothing I can do for you.
SPEAKER 03 :
The car is going to the scrapyard.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s going to the scrapyard.
SPEAKER 03 :
A question came in. Same person, by the way, with a wheel bearing question. I have a 3-ton floor jack inherited from work. When I pump it up, it holds for maybe a minute and then slowly goes down. I haven’t used it a lot. You know, I can fix that. That’s probably an internal seal. Those have packing on the bottom of the seals, and it’s much like any other type of a hydraulic piston would be. Most likely, those have gotten bad. And sometimes, depending upon the – this is another one of these quality issues. Depending upon the quality of the jack, might be fixable, might not be fixable. It just depends on the quality of the jack.
SPEAKER 04 :
anymore we’re just buying new ones yeah my transmission jacks my even my decent floor jacks by the time i get a kit and get it rebuilt you can’t afford i can buy a new one for cheaper well when you look at what you’re having to pay people to actually do the repairs so for example for everybody listening let’s say that in in a modern shop this is not uncommon by the way
SPEAKER 03 :
You’ve got technicians that are making anywhere from $50 to $75 an hour, and that’s their pay. I’m not exaggerating when I say that. So let’s say they work on a floor jack like that for two hours, which, by the way, is not uncommon. Okay, as a shop owner, you just spent, in some cases, $150 to fix a $300 jack.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why would you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re actually going to take that, throw it in the scrap bin. And I’m sorry. And I know we’re a disposable society. And I get that. And it’s kind of a shame. My wife and I were talking about that a little bit this morning as to how much waste we as a country create. And I get it. But financially speaking, it is what it is, and in that case, it’s not worth fixing.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that’s the problem. It really isn’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
When you can go to Napa and buy – and by the way, if you watch their Real Deals, that’s their flyer they have every month. If you watch the Real Deals flyer on Napa, that three-ton jack, I’m not exaggerating, you could probably replace for $150.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s $150 and $175 because I do it every – About every three years, I send out the old ones because the seals are gone, the kit, and by the time I rebuild it or have somebody rebuild it, it’ll cost me $200 to rebuild a $150 jack. And you start an old jack. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
With old casters, wheels, handle, the whole name.
SPEAKER 04 :
All that, yeah. And the pad’s been gone for forever. So about every three years, one goes out the door and another one rolls in. That’s just the way it is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which if you think about that, on that jack, you’re spending roughly 50 bucks a year. I mean, why would you do that any different? Right, and I got a new one that’s going to work right and do what it needs to do. And liability. Here’s the other thing that happens in the shops. This isn’t for you, the homeowner, but in the shop, by the way, rebuilding that and then something happens, guess who’s liable? Yeah, puts it on us. If you buy the jack new, guess who’s liable? The person that made the jack, the company that made the jack. So that’s the other reason why in the shops rarely, rarely anymore do you even rebuild those sorts of things in the shop because it’s just not justifiable anymore. It’s not. No. You just can’t do it. So for some of you at home, it’s not much different. Be safe in that case, honestly, in that jack. That’s a prime candidate to just go give it away, put it into a scrap bin, have somebody give you some scrap value for it. It might be worth $5, $10 that way. I have no idea. It depends on its weight and so on. But just put that towards a new jack and be done with it. You’ll be money ahead doing it that way. And there are lots of examples of what I just said, and I understand. And this is where, yes, as a society, we’ve become a disposable society. A lot of things anymore, you know, Josh was even talking about furnaces and things like that. I mean, yeah, you can put a blower motor in. Yeah, you can put a circuit board in, and you can do a few things along those lines. But depending upon the application, you may find yourself putting a whole other unit in cheaper than you can actually fix the one you have now.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they’re more efficient, and you gain a lot with a new unit.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, I’m not exaggerating when I say this. And this goes back to some of you as you take your vehicles in to get repaired. In fact, I should just do a whole segment on the extra mile on this because it really is a misunderstanding. I think sometimes people think, wow, that’s really expensive to do such and such. Well, the alternative is more expensive. So actually replacing this part versus trying to fix the part, you know, gone are the days of overhauling an alternator, by the way. When I was a kid, that was standard. Starters and alt-laters, you took them apart, overhauled them and put them back together. In fact, you went to the parts department and bought an overhaul kit for an alt-leader. You’d buy front and rear bearing. You’d buy the diode kit. You’d buy the brushes. And as long as the stator was good, you’d put it all back together and off you went. As long as stator and armature were good, you’d put it back together and off you went. That was common back then. You don’t do that anymore, folks. And every small town had, you know, or most towns had a business. Three or four guys doing that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, three or four guys that would do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do they even exist anymore? They’re all gone. I mean, because there’s no money to be made in it because you can go buy one off the shelf for less money when it’s all said and done. That’s already done, put together, has a longer-term warranty on it.
SPEAKER 04 :
The only business they have is to do the classic cars, you know, because you can buy the classic stuff and have it repaired, you know. But modern ones, because they all have… computers in them, basically.
SPEAKER 03 :
And even some of the classic stuff, guys, you can, you know, on classic cars, you can buy what we call the GM one-wire alternator, which if you know what I’m talking about, you know what I’m talking about. And even on classic cars, even on stuff that’s not GM, the one-wire alternator that GM invented back in the day has been used in the street rod world more than probably any other alternator ever just because of its simplicity and it works. Mm-hmm. And they’re usually 55, 58, 63 amps, somewhere in that neighborhood, more than enough to handle anything you’re going to do as a street rod. And off you go and you’re running one wire. That’s it.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because everything’s built internally. There’s no regulator. It’s, you know, no external regulators. Everything’s internal. And they work very well. So, all right, guys, a full another hour coming your way. Myself, Josh Goff, Legacy Automotive, Reach Line Auto Brokers up in Boulder. Charlie Grimes, your engineer. Larry answering phones. Lines are open 303-477-5600. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 18 :
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