The conversation then shifted to another significant topic: the controversial Proposition K.K., which suggests an excise tax on firearms and ammunition. Kim argues persuasively that this tax disproportionately impacts marginalized communities by increasing the cost of self-defense. Nephi Cole, also present in the discussion, adds depth by pointing out the flawed assumptions behind the proposition, which falsely correlates legal gun ownership with criminal activities like domestic violence.
In the episode’s exploration of education propositions, listeners were guided through complex legislative language that could have far-reaching consequences on parental rights and educational content. The goal, Kim argues, is to discern between empowering educational reforms and those that insidiously strip authority from parents under the guise of progress.
Turning the lens toward another pressing issue, Kim dissected the ban on fur products on the Denver ballot. With potential impacts reaching as far as local economies reliant on the fur trade, such as the National Western Stock Show, she highlighted the unintended consequences of legislation poorly understood by many voters.
In emphasizing the role of informed voting, Kim urged listeners to resist the overreach of legislation that further burdens citizens or erodes freedoms. She advocates for a return to community-informed decision-making, rather than unchecked governmental impositions, a common thread throughout the show.
Kim Monson concluded the episode with an empowering call to action, encouraging every listener to engage deeply with the voting process. Her show serves as a reminder of the power of perseverance and informed civic participation, urging Coloradans to embrace their role in shaping a government that truly reflects the values of freedom and informed choice.
In this episode of The Kim Munson Show, Kim delves into some of the pervasive issues surrounding government and election security. As we approach the 2024 elections, it's imperative to comprehend the anomalies with mail-in voting systems in Colorado and understand the ramifications of current propositions. Dive deeper into Kim's thorough voters guide to navigate the complexities of political participation in an informed manner.
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All day long. So that means it is Wings Day at Hooters restaurants. You buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free, and that is for to go or to dine in. And when the girls come over, I particularly like the lemon pepper rub and the Texas barbecue rub. So today, that special all day long at Hooters Restaurants. They have been a sponsor of both shows for many years. How I got to know them, very important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism. And you can find that at my website. Lots going on in the world today. Yesterday was quite a day. Lots of people reaching out for a variety of things. First of all, be sure, and many of you have voted, and you're like, ah. okay we can just wait till election day no no no nearly half the people do not vote until election day or darn close so what you need to be doing now is engaging with your friends and family and i think many of them open up their ballot and they see 14 different issues on the state ballot plus their local issues and thinking oh my gosh and that is why we put together the kim munson show voters guide so be sure and take that link and go to my website and Take that link and send that out to your friends and family. And then one of our listeners put together an important analysis on the judges. And I'm going to approach him next year to see if we might be able to partner on that because so many of you have wanted information about the judges. So if you text me at 720-605-0647, I will get you that information on the judges. And, uh, many of you reached out yesterday. And, uh, so what you need to do is text me, uh, your, uh, your email address, and I will get that out to you. And if I missed any of you out there, uh, please re text me, uh, because I really work to try to get through everybody there. And then a lot of people have been reaching out regarding anomalies with their ballots or stories of ballots, extra ballots being sent to addresses where the person does not live there. And, of course, that is one of the basis of our lawsuit that hopefully will be filed any day now. Jay Valentine works with Peter Berneger. He connected me with Peter Berneger with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice. And that is our step two of our Colorado 2024 election project. And the attorneys for the Secretary of State's office in Wisconsin Center for Election Justice have been back and forth. And there's different things that we have to go through regarding, it's called NIVRA, the National Voting Rights Act of 1993 that was signed by Bill Clinton. That was the Motor Voters Act as well. And so we've gone through those timeframes and just stay tuned. Don't know quite how this is all gonna come down, but just stay tuned on all of that. And then on our step one, United Sovereign Americans had filed their lawsuit, and that has not received response back from the Secretary of State's office. They have filed in nine different states, and because all of you, we were able to raise the money to make all this happen, and thank you. and they were hoping that one of those states, that court case would get kicked up to the Supreme Court, and that has not happened yet. So that's the update, where we are right now with all of that. There's so many things happening, though, in Colorado. I think many of you probably saw the headline yesterday that the Colorado put their voting system passwords on the Secretary of State's website, but they insist that the election is secure. Of course they would. And this is from the Washington Times. It said, voting system passports, passwords were mistakenly put on the Colorado Secretary of State's website before spotted and taken down. But the lapse, whoops, I got all these pop-ups coming up here now. That's not helpful. Hold on here. Okay, it says, but the lapse did not pose an immediate threat to the upcoming election, said state election officials on Tuesday. Of course they're gonna say that. And it goes on to say the passwords were one of two that are needed to access Colorado's voting systems and are just one part of a layered security system, said Jack Todd, spokesperson for the Secretary of State's office. In a statement, those passwords alone wouldn't allow someone access to a voting system. Colorado's top elections official, Democrat Secretary of State Jenna Griswold, frequently calls Colorado the gold standard for election security. However, she's been criticized by the chairman of the Colorado Republican Party amid heightened scrutiny over election systems in the United States. And again, we have these two different lawsuits that state that Colorado's election system is anything but the gold standard. The United Sovereign Americans lawsuit is based on And on research that was done by a number of volunteers here in Colorado, where they found a significant number of anomalies with our voting systems. And that is what that basis for that lawsuit is. Then the lawsuit that is with the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, through the Titan technology systems, and they do use some fractal with that as well, we're able to see that there are ballots that are going out to addresses where people do not live, and that is the basis for that lawsuit. So we are anything but the gold standard. The fact that these passwords would be accessible shows that this is a real problem here in Colorado. So stay tuned because this is going to be super important on everything that's happened. Our word of the day, and before I get into all of this, I want to say thank you to the Colorado Union of Taxpayers Board that I serve with. That is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honiger, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O'Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, and Mary Jansen. And the Colorado Union of Taxpayers is an all-volunteer group that has been watching legislation since 1976. We do have our ratings report on our website. We put a lot of work into that. Also took some positions on some of these statewide issues. You can access that by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. That is the website. That's coloradotaxpayer.org. And as you know, we look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. The website is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. You can sign up for the weekly newsletter there. And also the voter's guide is there as well. Be sure and share that far and wide. It's a tool. I've made recommendations, but I want you to think these through yourself and have all the information, though. For example, on the school choice amendment, you are not voting on just the wording that is on the ballot. You are voting on the text of the measure. And the text of the measure, unfortunately, is poorly written. I think the people that wrote it were probably well-intentioned. But bullet point two says that children K through 12 have the right to school choice in Colorado. That seems to me like that's boxing out parental rights. And that is why I'm a strong no on that. So you can find all that at KimMunson.com. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. Our word of the day is perseverance. It's spelled P-E-R-S-E-V-E-R-A-N-C-E. And it's continued effort to do or achieve something despite difficulties, failure or opposition, the action or condition or instance of persevering. And we are persevering as we are walking towards this election here in 2024. Our quote for the day is from Thomas Paine, born in 1737, died in 1809. He was a political philosopher, inventor, and revolutionary who wrote influential pamphlets such as Common Sense and Rights of Man. And he said this, I prefer peace, but if trouble must come, let it come in my time so that my children can live in peace. yes we want our children to live in peace we also want to raise them up to be strong men and women as well and that's why we need to have a revisit on what is happening in our public school systems and that is why I'm recommending no votes on all of this debt that is being requested up and down the front range for these school districts that the results are dismal for our children being able to read and write and do arithmetic because our schools have been politicized. There's fine, fine public school teachers, but the system and bringing in these great teachers and then trying to indoctrinate them in these training sessions with DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, and SEL, social emotional learning, is a real problem. So I'm recommending a no on all of those particular questions. It's billions of dollars of debt. And we just don't have the money right now. People are hurting. Also wanted to mention that this is the other headline that I think is super important. I watched the Joe Rogan, Donald Trump I need to watch it again. Three hours. And you can't hide, as one of our listeners had texted me, you can't hide for three hours. So this is why it's so interesting here that the headline is Joe Rogan refuses Kamala Harris's conditions. for a podcast interview. Now, Donald Trump took time out of his campaign schedule and flew to Austin, Texas, so that he could be in studio with Joe Rogan for three hours. Now, Joe Rogan said he's still in talks to set up an interview with Kamala Harris, but that he won't agree to the terms suggested by her campaign. Also, for the record, the Harris campaign has not passed on doing the podcast. They offered a date for Tuesday, but he said, I would have had to travel to her and they only wanted to do an hour. I strongly feel the best way to do it is in the studio in Austin, Rogan said in a post on ex formerly Twitter. My sincere wish is to just have a nice conversation and get to know her as a human being. I really hope that we can make it happen. And I find that rather remarkable that she would demand that he come to her and that it would only be an hour because she thinks that I don't know that she would have the stamina to go for three hours. So stay tuned. We'll have to see what happens with all of that. And we have these important discussions because I work with great people as sponsors. One of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team. and sit down with them and go over your insurance coverage in a complimentary appointment, and you might be able to save a lot of money if you bundle things together. One of my friends was able to save over $1,000. So be sure and give them a call at 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Megan team is there.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I want to say thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is because of our sponsors that this independent voice is out there looking at all these issues. And be sure and check out my voter's guide and share that far and wide because over half of the voters don't vote until the very last couple of days. And when they open up their ballot and see 14 state issues, they're going to say, oh, my gosh. And so I've made recommendations and given all the background so that people can be informed voters, not influence voters. Have on the line with me, Nephi Cole, and he is the director of state affairs and government relations for the National Shooting Sports Foundation. And there are some important issues that we've highlighted But we wanted to once again bring these forward. So, Nephi Cole, welcome.
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Hey, how are you doing, Kim? Nice to talk to you this morning.
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It's good to have you on. And let's get right to it. There are three issues that you and I are very concerned about regarding firearms and freedom, those kinds of things. First of all, Proposition K.K., which is this excise tax on firearms and ammunition. And I am just so concerned about this because it's going to make it more expensive for that single mom who wants to carry a firearm to protect herself and her kids. She may be living in a dangerous neighborhood. Things are pretty dangerous out here in Colorado right now, Nephi, and we need to be the first line of defense to protect ourselves and our family.
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Yeah, it's kind of fitting that it's called, you know, it's KKK. It's just a little bit short of being absolutely terrible. But, you know, when you think about these gun control measures that target people with both costs so that people can't afford firearms, you know, they make it more difficult. I mean, really, the people that they hurt the most, any time that you add costs, are people who can't afford or they're people who are less privileged. And so that's exactly what this does. It makes it more difficult for people to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
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Well, and so I'm really recommending a no on this. And I think people are understanding this, although there's probably a lot of money coming in to try to support people to vote for this. Yes or no?
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Yeah, there's huge money. We know that The proponents of this bill, they include people like your Secretary of State, who would push this kind of garbage, and they sell it under false pretense. And so this is being sold as something that we all support. Why? Well, because none of us believe that domestic violence is okay. None of us, all of us are against suicide, trying to find ways. to keep people here who should be here. And, you know, that's the problem with this bill is the way it's been sold to everyone is if it's supported by gun owners to, you know, as a way to offset these things. And there's real danger in that they assume a causation correlation with owning firearms. and things like domestic violence, and it couldn't be further from the truth. As you know, people who are guilty of severe domestic violence disputes can't legally own firearms. They're not going to firearms. They're not going to a gun dealer and purchasing a gun, therefore paying the tax then goes to offset their terrible activities. In fact, it's the opposite. It's the victim's that end up paying in this case. It's people who can legally buy farms to protect themselves that end up paying on this issue. So it's just a really bad idea.
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Well, and that's why I am a strong no on Proposition KK, and that is that excise tax on firearms. And we've got a couple of other issues that I wanted to talk about. And the next one is this Proposition 127, which would be a ban on hunting predator big cats. And these big cats will be – the population will need to be managed. but instead of this robust economy of hunting. And man as hunters has been a part of this big circle of life since the beginning of time, Nephi.
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Absolutely. In fact, you know, it's called what it is, it's mountain lions. And so they, you know, trying to throw like other smaller, you know, cats of any kind in to kind of muddy the waters. But the real idea here is, is to, again, equate, you know, the reason they picked cats and said like, you know, and it's a trophy hunting ban. First of all, you know, trophy hunting doesn't exist in Colorado. In Colorado, there's no such thing as somebody shooting an animal and leaving it in the field, taking a picture and taking the head off or something like that. In Colorado, the law requires to have beneficial use of all those, you know, resources from wildlife that you bring out of the field. And that's across the board. It includes mountain lions. And so, you know, they call it that because they've done the poll testing, and I know that saying trophy hunting, you know, people, it's like saying assault. People just imagine what they want to there. And so same thing with cats. The reason they use mountain lions is because a lot of people have house cats. And so they equate it with, the idea is to equate cats Mountain lion hunting, this giant dangerous animal that kills livestock, pets, and people, to equate that with your house cat, that's the goal here. And that's what they're trying to do. They're muddying the waters. And if they're successful with this, because the language is broad, it's not really just about mountain lions. So that's the start. That's the foot in the door. But again, it's just creating a box that you can shove other terrible ideas into in the future. That's what this ballot measure does. It needs to be defeated. Colorado will join California and the worst of the states if they pass this.
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Well, it seems like Colorado's been wanting to be a California wannabe with so many things, and that's why I've done my voter's guide is so that people can be informed voters and really delve into these issues. And then this is on the Denver ballot. There's really two things. There is a ban on a lamb processing plant, which I am a strong no on. And there is also then this question, which would be Denver Ordinance 308, which would be a ban on all fur products. This would even get down to affecting fishing lures, is my understanding. But it is broad. It would really, I think, put the National Western at great risk because vendors, there's a lot of fur products that are used in things we don't even think of. For example, hats.
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Yeah, my cowboy hat.
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Your cowboy hat.
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Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, if you buy a nice Stetson, if you buy a good cowboy hat, what you're talking about is you're talking about, you know, a product that uses, you know, beaver fur. And that's, I mean, it just does. And so it's good hats. It's nice boots. It's, you know, it's so many products. And people don't realize or intend or understand. It's deerskin gloves. It's all sorts of things that, you wouldn't think about because, frankly, they don't think about it either. They don't care. For the folks that are pushing that ban, philosophically, they don't think anybody should have a leather belt. And so this is just, again, this is the start. It's a way to get your foot in the door, make the initiative broad. You make it sound like something else. And then The idea is to get your low-propensity, low-IQ voters in there to support something based on an emotional overreaction that doesn't fit at the end of the day.
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Well, and then the fact here in Colorado that we have these mail-in ballots going out to everyone. And you mentioned, like, the low-information voters. These are people that I think they might be busy with their lives. They're not paying a lot of attention. They get to their ballot then, and they might not even make the effort to go and vote or to request a mail-in ballot. But the fact that everybody, and more, I've had so many people calling regarding excess ballots. Yesterday was a very busy day trying to have all those phone calls, which is a mess. It truly is a mess. But that means people are getting these ballots. They have 14 issues. They're busy with their lives. And what do they do? And then you have all this money that's coming in trying to, as you mentioned, muddy the waters regarding these issues. It's a real problem. That's why we have to continue to speak truth into these issues, Nephi Cole.
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Yeah, you know, we say mud to the water. In some ways, it's just a lie. You know, maybe that's a better way to put it. It's to deceive people. It's to get them to deceitfully get them to vote a certain way when the reality is you're not really just asking for that thing that you put on the ballot. It's what they're what they're doing is. And I think it's I think it's an epidemic. that they're willing to lie for political gain. And that's what this is. It's gaslighting the American public. It's gaslighting voters. And depending on people who actually don't, I mean, literally think about it, it's tyranny of the majority led by an informed few that are confident that they can get enough of the herd to march in one direction to be able to trample the reality in favor of their chosen you know, their chosen issue.
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Well, and the important point is, is these few do not really care about the well-being of the herd, if you will, that they're trying to get them to vote for. When you really delve into this, and that's why when I did the voter's guide, I looked at this as what is best for everyday individuals and how does it match up about this vision in America. that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And that's why I am a strong no on Proposition KK and a strong no on Proposition, which is the excise tax, Proposition 127, which is the ban on predator cats, and then a strong no on Denver Ordinance 308, the fur ban, and also 309, the ban on the land processing plant as well. Nephi, your final thought that you'd like to leave with listeners on all this?
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Turn your ballot. And then the other thing I would tell you is, you know, go find five friends and touch bases with five people who just make sure that they do the same thing. That's the most important thing that you can do today is reach out to your friends and colleagues who are like-minded and make sure that they're not just they're not blowing this one off.
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Yes, it is. When people say this is one of our most important elections for our country, it is, not only from the top of the ticket, but all the way down the ticket on all these issues and all these candidates. Nephi Cole with the National Shooting Sports Foundation, thank you for the great work that you do.
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Thank you, Kim. Have a great day.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And, of course, next week is Election Day. But then the next week is Veterans Day is in the next week. And so on Saturday, November 9th, out at the USMC Memorial, there will be a very important event to recognize Veterans Day. And you can get more information about that. Be there by 1.30. It begins at 2. And more information at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is Hans von Spakovsky, and he's an authority on a wide range of issues, including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, rule of law, and government reform. And he is the senior legal fellow in the Heritage Foundation's Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies. And Hans von Spakovsky, welcome to the show.
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Kim, thanks for having me back.
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It's good to have you. And we've got this issue out here in Colorado, and I've been on a long email conversation thread on this. There are people on both sides of the aisle that are for Prop 131, and there are people on both sides of the aisle that are against Prop 131 out here in Colorado. Prop 131 is ranked choice voting. and a jungle primary. I think it's unconstitutional because in Colorado, you're supposed to only have one issue in legislation or on the ballot, but we've got this on the ballot. Jungle primary, ranked choice voting, and Hans, I'm very concerned about it. What should people know about Prop 31 and ranked choice voting?
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Well, you know, people are always pushing that we should make the voting process easier, simpler, more straightforward. Why would anyone be in favor of something that is confusing, chaotic and leads to not only less transparency, but makes it very difficult? to keep up with what exactly is going on, for example, when votes are being tabulated. That's ranked choice voting. In places that have put it in, once it's in, voters complain about it. They don't like it. Like I said, they believe it's confusing. And it leads to disenfranchisement of voters. Because as you know, the way it works is if you've got five candidates, running for mayor, for example, rather than voting for the one person you think ought to be the mayor, you're supposed to rank all five of the candidates from your first choice to your fifth choice. Even though, you know, your fourth or fifth choices might be people you would never vote for and don't want in office. And the problem is, if the person, if nobody gets 50% plus one, Well, then, whichever candidate scored the lowest number of votes, if that was your number one choice, your number two choice now becomes your number one choice, and they do a second round of counting ballots. If that's confusing, yeah, it ought to be. And in places, like I said, again, that have put this in, We're not just talking about one or two rounds of voting. You could have, like in the mayor's race in New York when Mayor Adams got elected, they had eight rounds of voting before they could decide who was the mayor. And listen, if you only rank two of the candidates out of the five and they get into the third, fourth, fifth round of tabulating, guess what? your ballot's thrown out. It doesn't count. And by the end of the New York race, they had thrown out the ballots of 140,000 New Yorkers who had not bothered to rank all 10 of the candidates who were in that mayor's race. And you'll find, they have found with ranked choice voting also, Kim, that most people have no interest in ranking the Multiple candidates in a race. And so ballot exhaustion, that's what they call it, is a huge problem and phenomena with ranked choice voting. And that's just one of many reasons why it's just a bad idea.
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Well, there are those that say that it looks like it's going to pass here in Colorado. And one of the reasons may be is because it is a David and Goliath fight regarding money. And I've been watching this on Ballotpedia, and some new money has just come in. There is now total contributions. in support of Prop 131 ranked choice voting, $14,655,000, Hans, and that is pretty significant. And the opposition is just really basically kind of grassroots. And there's been, at this point, 458,000. So this is really a David and Goliath fight, because with all that money, they can flood the airwaves, they can flood social media. And in Colorado, we have all these mail-in ballots that are flying all over the state, and people are going to get their ballot, and they're going to be influenced. I'm very concerned about this, because it's, well, as you mentioned, it's confusing, it's chaotic. A computer calculations will actually determine the winner of the election. Your top vote getter could get 49 percent in the first round and actually could not may not be the winner. And so this is a real problem. So what what are what are you seeing from outside looking in on Colorado?
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Well, what you just described is what's happened in other places that have foolishly put in ranked choice voting. There's huge money behind this. And despite the fact that there are folks on both sides of the political aisle supporting this, the money that is coming in to implement ranked choice voting is coming overwhelmingly from the left. And the thing is, Once voters have to do this, it's average everyday voters of both parties don't like it and they find it confusing, which is why it got passed by referendum in Alaska a couple of years ago, just barely. And it was the same thing. Huge amounts of money from these left wing organizations supporting it. It got passed. There's now a referendum on the ballot this November to get rid of it. people didn't like it so badly. By the way, to talk about how confusing it is and how there's really no transparency in the way these votes are counted, look, there was a case just recently in California where they had ranked choice voting for school board races and they declared the winner and it turned out after they had done this, after going through several rounds of vote counting, well, it turned out They had certified the wrong winner. And the system is so confusing that it wasn't election officials that figured it out. An outside group demanded doing an audit of the voting process. And months after the election was over, months after the winner had been certified, the outside auditor said, you guys made a mistake. The person that you said came in third, he actually won the election. And that candidate then had to go to court to force the school board to put him on his seat. That's how bad the system is. And you know who's hurt the most? There's already a study out from a professor at Princeton about this. The people that are hurt the most, people who get disenfranchised the most because of ballot exhaustion are minority voters. So if you want to Suppress the votes of minority voters. Put in ranked choice voting because that's what the result will be.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, Hans, I've been in this email thread discussion, and I had made the case for voting no on ranked choice voting and jungle primaries. And one of the things that came back from some that are supporting it is that this way we won't get the crazies. This is what they said. The crazies on the left or on the right, we're going to get a centrist, more centrist candidates voting.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is just, Kim, that is just totally wrong. That is the claim that's being made with it. But in fact, when you look at the actual results, and you can see this in places like Portland, Oregon, and elsewhere, look, when you're going through multiple rounds of voting, when you are taking people's second, third, fourth choice, and it becomes their first choice, you're not getting people who are more in the middle. In fact, what the experiences of the small towns, school boards, and others have put in is that you get individuals elected with marginal support that the majority of voters did not like and didn't support. So the idea that you're going to get people more in the middle, that is one of the myths pushed by the folks for rank choice voting. So it's just, they can make that claim, but if you look at the actual results, like I said, in cities and towns that have put this in, that is not what happens.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, the other thing, though, with a centrist candidate like that, people opine that that's a good thing. Well, I think about what happened with John McCain. John McCain, I think, would be considered a centrist candidate. And he gave us the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Act, which really, I think, was an assault upon free speech. and made our campaigns more complicated, makes it more difficult for everyday people to contribute the amount that they might want to to a campaign. And then also he was the deciding vote for Obamacare, which was a socialized takeover of our health care system. And I don't want more of that. I want people that are representing us as we the people saying, And looking to our founding documents, our Constitution, because those are the kind of candidates that put in place something where everyday people could thrive and prosper. I see these centrist candidates just wanting to take more and more power. Now, I've seen it on both sides of the aisle, both Republican and Democrat candidates. They want to have the power. They just want to laud their power the way they think they should over everyday people. And so I don't really I'm not that interested in centrist candidates. Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, my thought about this is, look, if the centrist candidate gets a majority of the vote in a regular system, well, then fine. That means people have chosen and picked that centrist candidate. But why would they want to, who would want to put in a system that in fact says, you know what, we don't want to elect the people that a majority of voters want and believe is their first choice. Those are people who I think is, this is actually a very much an anti-democratic system. system. And like I said, it is a system that when you go into multiple rounds of vote tabulation, social scientists who have studied this, there's multiple reports on this. People don't have to believe me. They can find these reports say that the vast majority of individuals do not rank all the candidates in races. Therefore, their ballots are thrown out in multiple rounds of voting. I said that they got a term for it, ballot exhaustion. And so this leads to the disenfranchisement of large numbers of voters, uh, because people just aren't interested in ranking multiple candidates in, in a race. And, uh, so anyone who says that this is going to lead to better candidates, sorry, but there's no proof of that. And, and, you know, you sit there and go, why, uh, What's wrong with the current system? What is it they don't like about it? If they don't like the candidates being elected, well, that means they're in a minority. Good point. And we have majority rule in this country, and it seems like they don't like that idea.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and it takes away the one person, one vote. Hans, I want to continue this discussion. It is so important. And our independent voice is on the air because of our great sponsors. And for everything regarding mortgages, Lorne Levy.
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Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our Web site. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You'll get first look at our upcoming guests. Also, my voters guide is there. And take that link and share that far and wide as nearly half of the voters don't vote until right up till Election Day. And so people are opening up their ballots saying, oh, my gosh. there's so much on here and so we've gone through and analyzed all of those issues made recommendations give you the link to the text of the measure so people can be informed voters not influence voters and again you can find that at my website regarding the judge retention questions one of our listeners did some extensive research on all of that. And if you would like that, text me at 720-605-0647 with your email address, and I will email that to you. And as you know, a nonprofit I dearly love is the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo on the Riverwalk. And they're nonpolitical and they're nonpartisan. They just focus on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism based on their beautiful portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients and then these great educational programs as well. Get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. And Hans von Spakowsky is on the line with me. And he is an authority on a bunch of stuff, civil rights, civil justice, First Amendment, immigration, rule of law, government reform. He's the senior legal fellow in the Heritage Foundation's Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies. And we are talking about Proposition 131, which is on the Colorado ballot. And what it is is jungle primaries where you can only vote for one candidate in the primary. And then the top four vote getters advance to the general election. And then you vote for four. It is so confusing. It's confusing. As you said, it's chaotic. And Hans wanted to talk a little bit about the money because I've been watching the money. And there's new money that has come in. And we're just south of $14 million today. Right now, Unite America is in for 5.6 million. Kent Theory is in for 2.4. Ben Walton, 2 million. Wilmot Reed Hastings, a million. And then Catherine Murdoch, who she is one of the co-founders of Unite America, is in personally for a half million. This is huge money. And I don't think it's because they want to help everyday people have a stronger voice in their elections. I think what will I think what will happen, Hans, is that we will ultimately only get candidates that are rich or the candidates that the rich choose will be on the ballot. Is that too strong a statement?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it's it's they they want. Look, it's very clear they believe that ranked choice voting will help destroy, in their mind, the Republican Party and Republican Party candidates. Look, the best person that has done the research on the donors behind this is Scott Walters. Scott Walters at the Capital Research Center in Washington, D.C. And he's got a great website. He, in January, actually testified before the state of Georgia Senate Ethics Committee, their legislative committee, about the, as he put it, the left-wing mega donors who are behind ranked choice voting. And the two most prominent donors are Fair Vote and Unite America, both supported by the left wing, including George Soros. And the other person that probably has put the most money into this is a woman named Catherine Gale, former head of Gale Foods. She's probably the biggest single donor to ranked choice voting campaigns. She was a huge bundler for Barack Obama. And they are the ones who are pouring money into trying to get this kind of thing passed. The jungle primary is an unconstitutional assault on the rights of political parties and the ability to associate. Because when you do a jungle primary, you know, you may end up with the top candidates in the general election all being from the same political party. So, you know, the whole idea of having a primary in which it's not run by the political party, it's both parties together, so you may end up with three Republicans running and no Democrats, or three Democrats running, no Republican in the general election. Like I said, that is a direct assault on the associational rights of political parties. And anybody who thinks that's not important, those kind of associational rights— I suggest you pull up an old Supreme Court case from the 1950s called NAACP versus Alabama, in which the Supreme Court talked about the importance of associational rights, of Americans being able to band together with other people who share their beliefs. And the jungle primary is a direct assault on that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and this huge money, I did some additional research on Catherine Murdoch and Unite America. And I'm involved with the documentary. I'm very honored to be the moderator in a climate conversation. And a friend of mine, Walt Johnson, he took money out of his own retirement plan to make this movie because he wanted just a Socratic conversation about this whole climate thing. And we had experts and scientists that ultimately the climate does change. But the question is, how much does man have an effect on that? And so this ultimately what we found out, we started a podcast series as well, is that this whole climate change thing is trillions and trillions of dollars and ultimately will probably bankrupt the United States if we continue down this road. Right. And in my research, realized that that is one of Catherine Murdoch's things that she's really involved in is this whole climate change thing. And I thought that was an important distinction to make because ultimately there are those that if we continue down this road, it would destroy America and Americans' way of life.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, people shouldn't hear that word Murdoch and think, oh, Fox News, conservative. No, she is an ultra liberal. By the way. One of the biggest funders of ranked choice voting, and this should tell you a lot about RCB, used to be, until he was arrested, Sam Bankman Freed, you know, the disgraced cryptocurrency tycoon.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, he funded it. Remember, he was the second biggest Democratic Party donor in the 2022 election cycle, behind only George Soros. And he was a huge funder of ranked choice voting. Not somebody exactly whose judgment the average voter in Colorado ought to trust. Or me. I certainly don't trust his judgment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, we are working to get the word out on this, and it is a David and Goliath fight because they have put so much money in. It's like they've come in and put all the money on the table here. We've got about a minute left, Hans. Thank you so much for joining us. What's the final thought you'd like to leave with our listeners?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I would just point out to folks that you can find case after case of places that were bamboozled into putting in ranked choice voting. And then once it was in, voters started saying, we need to get rid of this. This is, like I said, confusing. Even election officials don't understand it. And that's why in Alaska, voters there in just a week are going to be voting on getting rid of it because Alaska was one of the few states in the country that put it in for statewide elections, and now they want to get rid of it because people don't like it so much.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and Hans, thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. And a strong no on Prop 131. And I think it's very telling when you look at the money and the supporters, those on the Republican side that are in favor of it. I think it's very, very telling. And there is a lot of money flying around on this. Hans von Spakosky, thank you so much. And we'll stay in touch.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sure. Thanks for having me.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation. Welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You're each treasured, you're valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment. Thank you to the team. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Wednesday, Producer Joe.
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And boy, so much going on and trying to keep you all informed on that. Check out my Web site. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. That's Kim Munson dot com. And take the voters guide and copy that link and send that out to your friends and family. And just explain that there's recommendations, but we want people to be informed about. They'll have the complete text of the measures so that they can really know what they're voting on. And then also regarding the judges, one of our listeners did some amazing research. And if you would like that, he did it for his family, but he said we could share it next year. I hope that maybe he and I can partner on this regarding these judges. But if you want that information, text me at 720-605-0647. text me your email address, and I will get that emailed over to you. I was very busy yesterday trying to get that out to everybody who requested it. If I have missed you, just re-text me, and I will get that to you today. Let's see again. That text line is 720-605-0647. Our word of the day is perseverance, and that is spelled P-E-R. S-E-V-E-R-A-N-C-E. It's the continued effort to do or achieve something despite difficulties, failure or opposition. The action or condition or an instance of persevering, being steadfast. And so your challenge is to use perseverance in a sentence today. And we must each day get up with perseverance and continue on as we are engaging in this battle of ideas that is occurring. And as we think about this battle of ideas, I really think we're at our Normandy. We've got to reclaim the beach here. which is why I so love the Center for American Values, because they honor our Medal of Honor recipients, and they have this fabulous quote book, which every Friday we share a quote from one of our Medal of Honor recipients. But they're focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. And we need to reclaim that so that we can reclaim our country and that we can pass on something good to the next generation. So the Center for American Values is located in Pueblo. You can get more information by going to AmericanValuesCenter.org. But we must persevere through this, my friends. Our quote for today is from Thomas Paine. He said this. He said, I prefer peace, but if trouble must come, let it come in my time so that my children can live in peace. And we... We've let this whole public education, government education get out of hand. Our kids are now not proficient in reading, writing, and arithmetic. The numbers are pretty dismal. And Douglas County, I think, is one of the best. And it's right around, I think, 60% of the kids in third grade can read and write in, I guess language arts it's called, that are proficient. And that's one of the best. That means that 40% of the kids aren't. And being able to read and write by the time someone is in third grade is critical for future success. And so we need to put the brakes on all this money that's going into government education. We want to make sure we pay our good teachers to be teaching our children. But to encumber ourselves with all this debt that is being proposed up and down the front range by these school districts, I don't think it's a good idea right now. We need to say, I want a little more ROI, return on my investment. And so our quote of the day, again, is from Thomas Paine. The other thing I wanted to mention, and this is the huge story here in Colorado, is that the Colorado Secretary of State actually had passed words to our voting systems on her website. And now they're saying nothing, no worries, not a problem. Yes, it is a problem when they say that we have the gold standard in our elections. This is not a very gold standard kind of thing to have happen. So stay tuned. This is going to be a very, very important story. And then also I mentioned in the first hour that Joe Rogan has refused Kamala Harris's conditions for a podcast interview. She instead of going to his studio, such as Donald Trump did, she says she wants him to come to her and instead of three hours, just one hour. And he says he's not going to do that. And so stay tuned on that as well. And the election is right around the corner. I've had many discussions with mortgage specialist Lauren Levy about interest rates, opportunity, the election. I actually thought interest rates might come down a little bit more. My crystal ball was not correct. Lauren Levy, welcome.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
Can you believe the election is less than a week away now, Lauren Levy?
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. It's crazy. I've got to be honest. I'm ready for the political commercials on TV to stop. So that'll be nice.
SPEAKER 16 :
What about the text messages? Have you gotten enough text messages, too?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I don't know what's going on because I must be blessed with something that I only get maybe, I don't even know, hardly any. Don't say that out loud. They must have lost my phone number.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you're lucky on that because, and there must be a certain time, Lauren, that they have determined would be, people will be looking at their phones because every once in a while, I might have 10 and I am a little weary of those and they're not very effective.
SPEAKER 08 :
I got one yesterday and that was like the first one in a week.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, well, don't say that too loud, Lorne Levy, but there are people that do need your phone number if they want to do something regarding mortgages. So where are we at regarding mortgage rates? Your crystal ball, what do you think might happen over the next week? Anything?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, we're in a period right now this week of some pretty important data, so things could, might be moving. We've been, like I said before, we've been in a rising rate environment for the last few weeks since the Fed cut last time back in September. And then yesterday was a little bit better of a day. Today, already this morning, the ADP employment data came out a little bit higher, but then the – Third quarter GDP was a little bit lower. So today will hopefully just kind of be a neutral day. But then on Friday, we get the it's the first. So we get the November employment data, which is always a huge number for mortgage rates based on if it's a hit or a miss based on what the number is. So that'll be an important number to see where rates go. So we're in this kind of holding period. That's the other reason I'm kind of ready for the election to be over is I think there's just a lot of uncertainty amongst a lot of people and people The stock market, all markets, and I think just people in general like to have certainty. And once the election passes, then I think we'll start to see housing pick up more because people will have more certainty on where things are headed, hopefully, and will feel more comfortable to go out and looking for homes. And so it could be a great time to get pre-qualified right now because if more people have certainty, there might be more competition outlooking.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, now, granted that the political operatives, it sounds like they don't have your phone number, but for people that want to reach out to you and get pre-qualified, what's that best number to call you at?
SPEAKER 08 :
The best way is just to call 303-880-8881. And again, that's 303-880-8881, but don't give that to any political campaigns or anything, right?
SPEAKER 16 :
I would appreciate that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just hold off a few more days.
SPEAKER 16 :
A few more days. So we're going to talk to you next week, the day after the election. So, again, Lauren Levy, Everything Mortgages. That could be a reverse mortgage, second mortgage, new mortgage, prequalify, 303-880-8881. Lauren, we'll talk to you next week. Okay. Thank you so much, Kim. And, yes, there's so much going on out there. And one of the things you don't want to worry about is your insurance coverage. And that's why you should reach out to the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team and set up a complimentary appointment. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan Team is there.
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welcome back to the kim munson show be sure and check out our website that is kimmunsonmonson.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter you can email me at kim kimmunson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it And I do thank the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is all of these great sponsors that keeps this independent voice on the air. And also, I love supporting the USMC Memorial Foundation. The actual memorial for the Marines is right here in It was dedicated in 1977. And Paula Sarles, who is the president of the foundation, and her team are working diligently to raise the money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial. But there will be a very special event on Veterans Day honoring our veterans out at the memorial. And you can get more information about that by going to usncmemorialfoundation.org. And they're just doing amazing work. It is Wednesday, so that means that it is a Trent Luce Wednesday. Trent Luce, welcome. Or do we have him yet? Okay. Trent Luce, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 10 :
I was trying to do something different, and it caused a delay. That was my fault, Kim. Thanks for having me.
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Well, it's good to have you. We're in the election season here. Did you see this out here that in Colorado, which Jenna Griswold, the Secretary of State, has said that we have the gold standard in elections, that actually she had passwords to the voting tabulating machines were on her website where people could access them. That's kind of a big development out here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. There's not enough time to talk about the games that are going to be played in this election. It's not an election. It's a selection.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, that's that's why that's why we did put together the Colorado 2024 election project. And hopefully we're going to I know that it was inevitable.
SPEAKER 10 :
This was scripted 50 years ago, Kim. I mean, we chased this rabbit as hard as we could. And it became clear to me that there's nothing we're going to do that's going to generate the outcome of the people. So we have to get ready for chaos and come out on the other side of it. You can't deny this anymore. You have to know that this is what's happening, and I've got to figure out how to make sure I know where my food and fuel is coming from.
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Well, that's what we talk about all of the time is our food and our fuel. And I would recommend that people have their gas tanks filled up and have some extra food and water just in case something wild happens. I mean, we remember the summer of love of 2020. And so I would recommend that people... make sure that they're prepared. But let's talk about one of these issues, and that is property rights and this continued encroachment of our land by these conservation easements. And you sent over a soundbite that you wanted Joe to play. And so set this up for us, Trent.
SPEAKER 10 :
So we know that we have this corridor, transmission line corridor situation taking place, and I've spent so much time with you talking about the CO2 pipelines, and every step of the way there's an easement that's involved. We look at the easements that are signed for solar. I spent the weekend in Enid, Oklahoma. There is a solar industrial solar complex that is being proposed, and actually there's dirt moving right now. And there's a group that's rising up and has filed a lawsuit against it on the principles that it's a violation of their constitution. And I think they're in a good position, but they're moving forward with that 2,600 acres contiguous. And that's phase one. Phase two would be an equal amount next year. Should be concerning to everybody. And the reason I ended up there is a 21-year retired Air Force pilot, Dave Clinton, who is very concerned that these continuous panels for 2,600 acres surround Vance Air Force Base. And, Kim, I continue to find places where Air Force bases are targeted for what is to come. And I'm like, why are we putting all of these – what seems to be a foreign interference location because you cannot deny the tie with the solar panels to China. Nobody can deny that. The majority of the minerals come from China. The assembly is in China, the manufacturing of the panels themselves in China. This is a China project, and yet we're putting these panels right next to and around surrounding Vance Air Force Base. Why do we do this? Well, the answer is that we want to increase the amount of land that's not involved in food production. We want to cripple the infrastructure that we have in this country for our reliable energy sources. You and I have talked about that a tremendous amount. And we end up thinking that all of this is just happening in our part of the world. It's not just happening in our part of the world. You well know that every morning from 630 to 7 a.m., Central Time. I host a TV program which is called Across the Pond. It started with Andrew Henderson from the United Kingdom, and today, each day of the week, I bring somebody from a different country. New Zealand, typically Damien Buckley's army from New Zealand. Yesterday it was Layla McDougal from Australia. Today it was Theresa Platt from France. And Thursday is just kind of who is available. And then on Friday it's Kelly Seaton from the U.K. And what I've been able to do is to illustrate very clearly that This is not an attack on the United States from the United States government on the United States people. And this is a very short clip, but Layla McDougal is talking about her nine-year-old son. who doesn't want to do anything but farm. He just wants to be with his dad. He wants to handle the sheep. They have a tremendous sheep flock. They have cattle. He just wants to be a farmer. And she said this. It's less than a minute, a little sound bite, Kim. I just wanted to set the stage for what we're dealing with with Layla McDougal from Victoria in Australia.
SPEAKER 09 :
What you're doing, and particularly with bringing the farmer to the entire global audience, is ensuring that he still has that choice, because we have people trying to eliminate that choice.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. And it's, it's quite scary. Like we've got a farm near, like we're in drought at the moment. So it's, it's quite, you know, everything's a bit stressful, but there's a lot of like power lines wanting to go through farms not far from here to then get to the wind turbines that they want to put up. And I said to my husband the other night, I'm like, you do realize that if those power lines go up, it's the end of the rights of every farmer. Like, because it's not the government, it's a power company. And if they can dictate what we do on our land, that's it. It's over. We've lost control. So it's interesting to think what is going to be the future for my son on the farm.
SPEAKER 10 :
Sound a little eerie, Kim, because that is right from what we deal with on a daily basis.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, and I will just mention, somebody sent over a picture of a solar farm after one of the hurricanes in Florida.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no, no, no, no, stop, stop. It's not a solar farm. It is an industrial solar complex. Oh, that's right, sorry. And that is a violation of what farming codes are supposed to be about and how they're established in each community. And they have stolen the opportunity to use this land because they have people calling them farms. And I'm not just picking on you. This is an important point that we have to understand. set the tone for what it is that we're talking about. In no way, shape, or form, putting a wind turbine or a solar panel on a piece of land that should be producing food is a farm. It is a solar industrial complex.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you. You are absolutely right, because words do mean things, and words are important. That is why I actually am a no on the question on the Colorado ballot about taking out of the Colorado Constitution. The definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, because redefining words is something that the left does on a regular basis. And so thank you for that. It is a solar industrial complex. And I saw a picture of just it was totally decimated during one of the. hurricanes, which, of course, that means that it cannot be producing any electricity. And so we're getting ourselves into a very dangerous position on this. But as you said, it's not just in America. It's across the globe, isn't it?
SPEAKER 10 :
It is. It's around the world. Well, no, I should qualify that. It is particularly the white Christian countries that are under attack. You don't see the same attack happening in India. You don't see the same – we don't have any freedoms in China, so it doesn't really matter. But it seems to be very selective, but it is around the world, and that's what I wanted to bring to the forefront. I think if you really boil this down, what we have taking place – is the majority of the folks who run the United Nations and World Economic Forum, they have decided it is time to eliminate the white Christians of the world. And this is how they're going about it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and eliminate the West and all the things that were based on freedom, really, is what is under attack here. Now, let's see here. I'll see if I can get through this question here when we go through break. So, Trent, it's extremely serious. And I went to the town hall for my little town last night. And very well-meaning people that are in elected office and also that are running the city, I think they're all very well-meaning people. But one of the things that they talked about was open space and parks. People want open space and parks. And in fact, there was a gentleman that said, hey, I live in a certain house. There's right now across the way, there's open land. I love hearing the cows. You know, what is the plans for that? And the plans are that there will be homes there. And I understand that he likes the open space of the cows there, but we also need homes and we need fuel and we need food. And as more and more land is gobbled up for open space, conservation easements, transmission line easements, that's taking land out of things that help everyday people thrive and prosper.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I would like to amend that to what we need is property rights. And the people that own that property will do what is best for the property, what is best for the demand. And as long as they're being paid properly for the food that is produced, they'll produce that food and will continue to have a surplus, as we have had for the past 200 years. But what you're describing sounds like a wonderful idea, and I first encountered this in Pennsylvania 20 years ago. And they're talking about we need to put up an incentive for conservation easements. And ultimately, you just control what happens on every acre of land, no matter how good well-doing the intention was. It is a direct violation of the principles that our founding fathers gave to us, which is you own this property, you decide what's best to do with this property, and everybody will have access to the essentials of life as they need it in a reliable, abundant, and affordable way. That's what's under attack.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is. So let's go to break because I want to ask the next question and that is regarding water and how that affects other people because water in the West is so important. I'm talking with Trent Luce, sixth generation farmer and rancher. about, started off with these transmission lines easements. And it is very terrifying to think that actually power companies could be controlling our land, which is what is happening. These are important discussions. We have them because of our sponsors. And speaking of the people that feed and fuel us, Lavaca Meat Company provides a fabulous source of protein for our diets that gives us energy so that we can go after our hopes and dreams each and every day.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Before we get into this question I have for Trent Luce, who is a sixth generation farmer and rancher. Eric texted me trent and said somebody stole his president trump's yard signs out of his front yard last night and eric is not happy about that and that's a property rights thing my gosh to go on to somebody's property and take down something on their property it's a property rights issue no no doubt about it i mean there's just no two ways to shake that out Absolutely. So, okay, I'm going to move over here. Regarding, I was talking about this piece of land that is, right now it has cows on it near my town. And you mentioned the property owner has the right to develop their land. And I agree. But I know that there are some communities where developments are coming in, for example, out in Elbert County, where there's been a lot of development, but that we're seeing that the wells of people that have been there for a long time are being depleted, the water wells. And so it seems like there's a property rights issue in that, that yes, developing the land, putting homes on it, and I love single-family homes, but you can't do that at the expense of the other owners by depleting their water wells. So how would you address that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, water is going to continue to be the great challenge. And if you look again at what the incentives are to get people to use more water, and I'm talking about these AI centers which are developing. I'm talking about cooling CO2, which is a massive water demand. I'm talking about the data mining that is taking place. We continue to see water being used. And when it's used in the eastern plains of Colorado, it has an impact in all of Jefferson County. You cannot argue that all of these water systems are connected together. And so I think this is something that needs much more of a discussion that's actually taking place. But you have – again, I'm referencing China a lot today, but China's in the middle of every one of these situations. I was called and asked to come to southwest Kansas to look at a data mining center. And I found out that it was owned by the Chinese who had an office in Chicago. And so then I went to digging, and I also found out that the Chinese banned – They banned such data mining centers in China because, get this, they required too much energy to continue to operate, electricity, and it was too high in the water use. Meanwhile, you got China permitting, they're not building, but they're permitting one coal-fired power plant a week. They exported the use of those resources, and you could argue about the necessary or unnecessary use of data mining and AI centers and all of this other data that we're collecting that takes a massive amount of energy and water. But all of that leads to these water fights where people who live in two areas maybe have lived together next to each other for 50 years and never had a water issue, and now they're suddenly faced with, oh, wait, is that your water or my water? And then what happens then, Kim? The federal government steps in. In fact, my friend Hank Vogler, who's been dealing with water issues in eastern Nevada forever, he sent to me a note that the USDA is talking about getting in and mediating the disputes between neighbors and water. That is absolutely what we do not need. So this is something that I think is worthy of a greater discussion in every community.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and I also think, though, with creativity and innovation, I think that we can do things to increase our water supply. I think that there's things that we can do. I think there's policies that could occur. Of course, it's difficult right now when we're in a drought in parts of Kansas and Eastern Colorado, that's super difficult. But I think with creativity and innovation, we can solve problems. And I don't know exactly what that looks like, but my gosh, in California, we have the Colorado River, and we have to send so much water down the Colorado River. But if you look at California, there's a whole bunch of water on their western side of their state. It seems like we – gosh, it seems to me like we could do some desalination plants and a variety of things that we could solve a lot of these water problems. And two of the things would not be to do all of these big AI centers and the CO2 pipelines and all that. That could save a lot of water. And then also bringing in 40,000 illegals into Denver – You bring in 40,000 people, they're going to use a lot more water. So we brought them in illegally. So I think there's things that we can do to solve this problem. I really do.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree. We just need to address one misnomer that a lot of people, and you didn't contribute to it. I just want to say we have the same amount of water on the planet as we did when Jesus walked the planet. that's not arguable. We have the water available. We have the water. It's whether it's available or not. And to your point, 97% of the Earth's surface water is with salt, so we have to desalinize it. And I have asked this question for a long time. In fact, I went to Bishop, California, and for those that may or may not know, Bishop, California is south of Reno in the Sierra Nevada mountains, Mammoth. I know a lot of people like to go skiing there. I spoke in Bishop and I just, I felt this hollowness. I was like, well, I don't sense the hope and the excitement about the future. And this was 20 years ago, Kim, this wasn't two years ago. Obviously I was always enamored with Bishop because they had this fantastic mules day, mule day in May, a couple of days. But when I had this meeting in February in Bishop, I'm like, what's going on here? And I talked to some of the locals and they said, Los Angeles bought all of the water in Bishop, California and put a pipeline in place. And I believe Bishop to Los Angeles is about 300 miles. And when they took our water, they took our future. And I sensed it when I was speaking to this crowd, which was 100% of the crowd that I was talking to were cattlemen. And to your point, We have the technology and the wherewithal. Here, Los Angeles is on the ocean, but right in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. And instead of utilizing the technology that's available, they put a pipeline in place from Bishop, California, to get the water from the mountain region down to Los Angeles. That's just foolish policy or intended negative outcomes, one of the two.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, we've had something similar. And again, it's Republicans. My understanding has been trying to buy the water down in the San Luis Valley here in Colorado. And there's great farming down there and ranching, cattle, sheep. And I don't think that's the answer for the metro area's water challenges. And, again, one of the things is don't be bringing 40,000 people in here illegally because they use a lot of water right off the bat. One of our listeners, Jenny, said that this is her – she says this is what we need to continue to say is conservatives stand for food, fiber, and fuel. I love that, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 10 :
I absolutely love it. I wish I had created it myself, Jenny.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you can actually use that. I'm pretty sure that Jenny will let us do that. Trent, you and I both can see this continued assault upon our property rights. And I know that you do what you do and I do what I do because I care about what we are passing on to our kids and our children. our grandchildren. And we're at a real dangerous tipping point right now in our country, but we've got to continue to shed light on what is going on and go to the creativity and innovation that God has given us. so that we can solve these problems. This was a big aha for me, Trent Luce. And I was talking with a young person recently, and this was a big aha for him as well. When in the Bible, it says that we are created in the image of God. For many years, I thought it was the two hands, two feet, that kind of thing. And maybe it is. I don't know for sure. But But what I do know is that God is a creator and that we are created in his image. So that means that we are creators. And if we as human beings use our creativity and innovation, we can solve these challenges so that everyday people can thrive and prosper in liberty. But what is happening is there are powers that be that wants to control all of this. And I thought it was just here in America, but with your soundbite, it is all over the world right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
I continually get into this conversation, and maybe I've just been in it too long and too jaded. But people always say to me, because we've been talking about people that enact policies that are not for the best interest of mankind long term. And it's like, why don't they understand this? Why can't they just do this right? And then I go back and I find out that we had a very clear path to human nutrition and such things as I've shared with you in the past before 1900. The entire nutrition and medical community knew that the yolk of an egg actually in your gut, once you consume that egg, that yolk attacks the toxins and neutralizes them. And so it's pretty clear to see that eggs are very beneficial. There's a researcher in pre-1900. He was actually an explorer. Stephenson was his name. And he got lost in the northern part of North America continent and ended up spending three years with the Inuits eating 100% whale meat and fat. The diet was 100% whale meat and fat. And he got the healthiest he'd ever been in his life. And we demonized eggs. We demonized fat. we demonize all of these things for the past 100 years, despite the fact we knew they are the best way to live. And so people like, why does the USDA and their food guide pyramid not recognize this? And for a long time, I even thought, well, they're just ignorant. They're not ignorant. Kim, we have, as you mentioned, evil people intending to bring harm upon the human race. And you cannot continue to just sit there and say, well, Why don't these people make better policies? No, because they are guided by pure evil. And the way that we overcome that, resilience is the way to overcome that. Have you heard of, I believe his name was Haru Onida. No, Onida is not right. Okonato is a Japanese soldier from World War II. Have you heard of this guy? No. He surrendered. March 10th, 1974, his commanding officer had never told this Japanese soldier that the war was over. And so he ended up in the jungles of the Philippines still fighting World War II, still fighting the Americans when he saw them. How often he saw them, I'm sure it was never. But he became a serious problem. It's a great research. You can go research this in any way, shape, or form. The war legitimately came to an end in 1947. And this guy surrendered March 10th. Do you know why he surrendered?
SPEAKER 11 :
Why?
SPEAKER 10 :
This commanding officer finally tracked him down and got him the message, the war was over, time to surrender. Think about the resilience of somebody that's that dedicated to the cause to say, until my commanding officer tells me to sit down, I'm not. That's what we've got to be like. We have to be resilient. And we must take on the issues that we see in front of us. And we have been conditioned to be nice. We don't have time to be nice anymore. I'm not saying go out and be ruthless. What I'm saying is when you hear somebody having a conversation that's blatantly wrong, you must respectfully interject your opinion and get people to think about things in a different way because we don't have any time. I'm repeating, chaos is coming. And I'm not talking about for a week. I'm talking about for a year or more. And you need to know where these basic elements and get back to the community. The community is the answer to overcome what we're dealing with and develop this resilience and be a leader within your community and work together.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And when we say our commanding officer, you and I have the same commanding officer, and that is our good Lord. And that is why it's attributed to George Washington that we pray, we work, and we leave the rest to God. And that's what we do. So, Trent Luce, I want you to stay on the line with me. I did hear, this is from one of our listeners, said, I drank seawater in Arabia for three months. Desalination is the answer. We can do it. Let's get this creativity and innovation going here. And we need to engage in this battle of ideas, and that's what we do on this show. And we are blessed to do it because of our sponsors. One of those is John Boson with Boson Law.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. Text line is 720-605-0647. Trent Luce is on the line. And we've got, first of all, Eric, what's on your radar? Thank you for calling in.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hi, Kim and Trent. Kim, I'm furious about, hi, Trent, what I woke up to and saw my signs from my yard gone, President Trump. And I wanted to go all around Park Hill because there's tons of Harrison Waltz yard signs. And do the same thing that they did to me. But I'm bigger than that. So I'm going to go buy two more big old giant President Trump signs and put them back on my yard instead of doing what they did to me. I think that's better than what you guys think.
SPEAKER 16 :
That is better. You're respecting their property rights, and they did not respect yours, and I think that that is just evident. I think it's an example of what the Harris side looks like, is they would not honor property rights whatsoever. Trent, a quick comment, and thank you, Eric, and then we have Ramey Johnson on the line.
SPEAKER 10 :
My quick comment is just kind of to verify what I said earlier. If they're willing to steal a Trump sign prior to the election, what will they do to your house after the election?
SPEAKER 16 :
OK, daunting there. So that's why these elections are so important up and down the ballot. We are blessed with some amazing candidates that have stepped forward. And one of those is my friend, Ramey Johnson. She is on the line. She is running for House District 30. Ramey Johnson, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good morning, Kim, and good morning, Trent. Good morning.
SPEAKER 16 :
And, Ramey, I was just thinking about Eric and these people taking his Trump sign, but your opposing candidate wants to take people's gas stoves, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, she does. I can't believe that she would vote to eliminate, well, not stoves, it was gas fireplaces. Oh, fireplaces. Yeah, that was the beginning of what the agenda is for Lakewood. The differences between us have become so apparent lately. She also voted to raise the mill levy, which would increase our property taxes, Kim. I... It's just unbelievable to me. The difference between us is day and night.
SPEAKER 16 :
It really is. And people are hurting with their property taxes. And, Trent, I know that's the case out in Nebraska as well.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's the case in every state that I go to. It seems to be the newest approach in eliminating land ownership by individuals.
SPEAKER 16 :
And so, Ramey, that is why it's so important that people understand what each of you stand for. And I know you've been working diligently and reaching out to businesses. So what's the latest regarding your campaign?
SPEAKER 11 :
Kim, it's on fire. I mean that in a good way. We've got people that have been so dedicated to this race. Just two ladies within one week, they walked 35 miles. taking literature door to door. And it is just so humbling to me, the amount of dedication and work that other people are willing to put into this race. And I am very optimistic that all of the time and work is actually going to pay off, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and you've been working so diligently on this. And, Rami, you and your husband have really, you care deeply about this country and what we're passing on to the next generation. And, Walt, your husband took money out of your retirement plans to create A Climate Conversation, which is the documentary that you asked me to moderate it, which thank you. But we've done a great podcast series, and Trent Luce was one of our guests today. On one of the podcasts, people can find all that at climateconversation.com. But it was really a robust discussion. And it's pretty amazing to me that you and Walt care so much about our country and about our state and our children and our grandchildren. And here you are stepping forward to run for House District 30.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, thank you. You know, the climate conversation... was really Walt's doing. He just felt that he was called to do that, Kim. And he's an earth scientist. And he knew that the narrative was not truthful. And he just wanted to get out information that talked about other perspectives, namely the cost of what all this is going to do for us as a society. It's It's overwhelming, and really it was his doing. It was his baby.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and it's really very informative and has been on Newsmax many times. I think it just recently was on again. Trent Luce, a sixth-generation farmer and rancher from Nebraska. What question would you like to ask Ramey Johnson? We've got a couple of minutes left here.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, knowing that our campaign is on fire, my question is how do we get the climate conversation on fire because it's so well done. It just lays everything out from A to Z. The problem is it gets stymied, and only a certain number of people get to hear it or see it and observe it because that's the truth, and the truth is constantly hidden in a shadow. So, Ramey, with your on-fire campaign, how do we put this discussion on fire?
SPEAKER 11 :
That's a good point. I think that, in part, it is having people elected, Trent, that understand the value of gas and oil. As I've been campaigning, I have been telling people I am unapologetic regarding my support of the gas and oil industry here in Colorado. This legislature has done everything they can to decimate it. I am a nurse, and your oxygen tubing... Your IV tubing, dialysis tubing, when you go to donate blood, all of that tubing and the bags that contain the fluids, those are crude oil derivatives. When you drill for gas and oil, helium comes up. You need that for MRI machines. If we continue down this path, it's going to take us back to 17th and 18th century health care. That's a bit daunting. Yes, it is. All of the equipment in your emergency room, your operating room, the equipment in an ambulance, in a fire truck, they're all crude oil derivatives for all those components, plus the tires, the asphalt. If we were to call 911 and somebody was to come with wooden tires, to try and get you to an emergency room that didn't even have the equipment. They didn't have a blood pressure cuff. By the way, the little bulb on that is rubber. Everything is made from crude oil derivatives. People don't understand the significance of the direction we're going, Kim. And by the way, you were brilliant as the moderator. You brought it all together. It was done in a Socratic method. It was not done in a way that was confrontational. And the podcasts continue that way. They're done in a way to bring information that's out there that scientists know. that's not getting out there.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and thank you, Ramey. And we're out of time, but I really want to credit Colton Moyer, who was really the director of the film. He did such a great job. Trent Luce, it's always great to have you. And I heard from listeners, it's a bit daunting as we really look at this, but we'll talk to you next week, the day after the election, and we'll see what's going on, Trent Luce. And Ramey Johnson, what's your website?
SPEAKER 11 :
It's rameyjohnson.com, and it's not too late to donate. We're still texting. And to endorse.
SPEAKER 16 :
OK, Ramey Johnson, thank you so much. And Thomas Paine said this. No country can be called free, which is governed by an absolute power. And it matters not whether it be an absolute royal power or an absolute legislative power, as the consequences will be the same to the people. And again, that's Thomas Paine. My friends, stay in the fight. You're not alone. God bless you and God bless America.
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