A significant portion of the episode dissected the implications for healthcare, notably under the prospective leadership of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. As a critic of the prevailing approaches that dominated during the pandemic, RFK Jr.’s appointment signals a possible pivot towards integrating alternative health practices into the national strategy, a move warmly received by both hosts who shared personal anecdotes of successful outcomes with non-traditional methods like red light therapy.
As the episode continued, Dutko and Boron discussed the broader cultural shift towards holistic health perspectives that may challenge the status quo upheld by major pharmaceutical entities. Their dialogue reflected a growing public sentiment eager for transparency and efficacy beyond what has been conventionally accepted, questioning whether insurance providers might one day venture into covering such alternative therapies.
The impact of these political maneuvers was then brought into context with the ongoing mission of Preborn, a key sponsor of the podcast. The charity’s commitment to providing life-saving ultrasounds for expectant mothers continues to resonate strongly with the hosts’ message of life and societal responsibility, intertwining seamlessly with the week’s primary discussions.
Bob and Neil wrapped up this dynamic episode by envisioning a landscape where access to varied health solutions becomes the norm, emphasizing the potential for an ideological shift in both political realms and public health. Their conversation underscored the necessity for progress in how governance and community choices reflect the evolving needs and values of American society.
Listeners were encouraged to join the conversation not only by tuning in to the podcast but also by considering supportive actions, such as contributing to Preborn’s impactful mission, as a testament to the ongoing dedication to preserving and nurturing life in earnest ways. In doing so, they cemented the podcast’s dedication to meaningful discourse around current and future challenges.
In this week's episode of the National Crawford Roundtable, Bob Duco and Neil Boron take a deep dive into former President Trump's recent cabinet picks, examining the implications of including open members of the LGBT community and outspoken critics of traditional healthcare policies. As the political landscape continues to evolve, the hosts discuss Trump's strategy and potential intentions behind these selections, particularly focusing on the potential shift towards alternative medicine approaches as brought forth by appointments like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The episode extends the conversation to cultural and political impacts, including the broadening acceptance of diverse lifestyles within the conservative movement while also addressing key healthcare issues brought to the fore by the COVID-19 pandemic. Duco and Boron emphasize the importance of such discussions, offering insights into how these political decisions could shape the future of healthcare, focusing on innovative treatments like red light therapy and the potential de-stigmatization of natural health remedies. Additionally, the significance of charitable actions, such as those contributed to Preborn, is highlighted through their enduring work to provide free ultrasounds and support for mothers in need. This call to action aligns with the overarching theme of life preservation and societal care that resonates throughout the episode.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast, a view of culture, current events, and politics through a biblical lens, brought to you by Preborn, saving babies and souls. Join us in the fight to save babies from abortion. Your gift provides a free ultrasound for a mother in need. 80% of the time, she will choose life. Visit CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on the Preborn logo to donate to save babies now. And now here are your hosts, Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush.
SPEAKER 04 :
Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with myself, Bob Duco, with Neil Boron. Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. John, prodigal son, Rush. Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Not with us this week. We look forward to having him back with us next week. We're going to be talking about everything going on, of course, in politics and Donald Trump and his cabinet selection picks and going through the pros and cons of them. Talking about a lot of things involving politics. the election, the anxiety that many people on the left are feeling about the election. And then, of course, this is Thanksgiving week. We're broadcasting this podcast on Wednesday morning. So for us, tomorrow is Thanksgiving. And we'll talk about Thanksgiving a little bit later on in this podcast as well. Right now, Neil. Man, it's a Neil and Bob show today. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 02 :
Good. We are it. I know. Looking forward to having John back, but this will be different. I'm not sure. Have you and I ever done it alone together? John and I have.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't think we have. John and I have done it alone together. You and John have. I think this is our first foray trying to carry the water ourselves. Well, you know what that just means? It means it's going to be the best podcast ever. Oh, yeah. Okay. Talk about John behind his back. I need to do that more in a Trump kind of way. This will be the best podcast in the history of podcasting. Ever.
SPEAKER 02 :
Never better.
SPEAKER 04 :
Here we go. All right. So let's go through some of the cabinet picks first. First thing I have to say is, isn't it interesting? that you had, oh, who was it that went on The View and claimed that, I think it was Mark Cuban, the billionaire leftist who claimed that Donald Trump doesn't surround himself, he's never around strong, intelligent women. It's like, wow, you look at his cabinet picks. There's a whole boatload of strong, intelligent women. So that's just not true. But here's some of the things I'm curious to get your take on, Neil. First of all, the Treasury Secretary nominee from Donald Trump is Scott Besant. He appears to be extremely qualified for this position. He's been a financial expert and industry leader for a long time. Apparently a bunch of CEOs and Wall Street executives or whatever are very pleased with his pick. So he does appear to be a competent person in this area. But here's the negatives. A number one negative is, he hasn't been a longtime strong, solid conservative. He actually used to be more liberal and middle of the road in many areas. He has managed money for a lot of different people, Republicans and Democrats, but one of them is George Soros. He actually used to be a money manager for George Soros, which is a little bit scary. But the big issue, and lately over the last few years, he's come more conservative and he's really aligned himself with Trump. Okay, fine. But the big issue, Neil, is that He's an open homosexual. He's quote-unquote married to some other guy. And, you know, I'll be honest with you. I have mixed emotions about this. On one hand, I don't like the idea of having an openly gay cabinet member. This is the first time in history an openly gay cabinet member. But I don't like that because I don't like giving the credibility to the whole LGBT movement and such. And it seems like it gives that credibility. But there's this other part of me, Neil, that's trying to look at this pragmatically and from Trump's perspective. It's not like Trump is naming an open homosexual to head up health and human services or something like that. That to me would be way different. This is strictly money. This is the treasury. This doesn't have anything to do with his homosexuality. It has nothing to do with social policy or health policy in America. So it's almost like if he's going to throw a bone to the LGBT crowd and put a gay person in his cabinet, at least this is something where the homosexuality aspect of it is really kind of disconnected and irrelevant. And if somebody is qualified for the position... There's part of me also that can see Trump going, all right, I want to show that I'm not going to discriminate against somebody who's qualified for a position just because they happen to be gay. And I figure that with Trump doing all of the policy decisions he's going to do that we know are going to anger Trump. the gays and lesbians as transgenders. Transgenders in the military, we know he's going to be scaling that back. He's going to be saying that you can't be denied grants for, you know, if you're a homeless shelter or something like that, if you do not allow transgenders in there, that he's Men are not going to compete in women's sports. I mean, he's going to take that issue head on. And since he's going to take that issue head on, he's going to be labeled a homophobe, a transphobe, a hate monger, dangerous for gays. And I'll level with you, Neil. I can see him going, you know what? Let's have a gay person, an openly gay person somewhere in my cabinet so that we can at least diffuse that. those kinds of attacks and treasury is about the least homosexual related cabinet position I could think of. So maybe I'm just defending Trump too much, but it's, it's a pill I don't like to swallow, but it's like, I can handle this one because he's got a lot of other good picks in there, but I'm curious to get your take.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, well, you know, I mean, we knew the first time he was in office after the 2016 election that he had made open statements about not wanting to repeal any of the so-called gay agenda. I'm not sure he used that term, but that he wasn't going to go after, you know, gay marriage or any so-called rights for gays. And, you know, I think by and large, the evangelical community just looked past that because of his open support for things like life. I mean, he put the, you know, three judges on the Supreme Court, was instrumental in getting the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision overturned, right? So, I mean, I think that... that that's not a surprise to people in the evangelical community and i don't know i i think there may be some strategy involved in this to be able to say look i'm not a homophobe i've got a openly gay person serving you know in my cabinet uh treasury department secretary and uh so how in the world are you gonna lay me label me a homophobe But I don't think that there's anything strategic about it in my guess. It's all speculation right now, but that he's doing this in some strategic way to provide an advantage to the gay community. I don't think so. I honestly think, by and large, he doesn't really care. I don't really think he cares about this, like that it was even an issue to him. It would be to us.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think you're absolutely right. Honestly, I can see... him sitting around with his advisors and going through some of the lists. And one of the people on the list we'll say is Scott Besant. And I can see his advisors going, okay, Scott Besant, he's qualified. Wall Street will like him. The financial markets will like him. This would be a good pick. He's come over to our side and he's become more conservative. And so that's a good thing. He's openly gay. So we'll catch some heat from some of the evangelical Christian community. And honestly, I can see Trump saying, you know what, if the guy is qualified, why don't we go ahead and at least balance out the – The attacks that I'll get from the left-wing groups that I'm being a homophobe because we are going to go after the transgenders and sports and things like that. So I could see some strategy in that, but not strategy for the purpose of advancing the LGBT cause, but strategy for the purpose of taking ammunition away from the leftists who are going to smear him as a homophobe.
SPEAKER 02 :
And, you know, let's be honest. I mean, there might be somebody listening right now that would literally do what I'm about to say. But, like, let's say that you pay a company to put siding on your home. And, you know, there's several guys working on the job. And halfway through, you know, some guy shows up and gives lunch to one of the people. And you're like, you know, is that his brother or something? No, that's his partner. And now you realize you've got an openly gay guy putting – gay person putting siding on your home? Do you pull the team off the job? Is this a huge deal? Does this actually matter that much? Because there's gay people in the world. They're all around. And as Christians, we're in need of showing love to them. And Jesus said, for crying out loud, love your enemies. But bottom line, when it comes to are they going to be in charge of my child's education Am I going to be forced to live according to their values, to speak their language? No, I'm going to live according to biblical values and the language of the Word of God. So anyway, I just don't think it's that big a deal, particularly in the job that he's been nominated for.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And I think you're absolutely right. So yes, I would have a problem with health if it was Health and Human Services, if it was Department of Education. There are some positions I would have a problem with, but not this one. Now, I'm also curious to get your take, Neil, on some of the health positions that he's named. Like, for example, I don't know if you know who Marty McCary is. Marty McCary, he's a surgeon. Actually, he's chief of transplant surgery at Johns Hopkins University. hospital. So he's a pretty qualified guy medically. But during the COVID time, he was one of the people that was regularly censored from YouTube and Google because he was out there saying, it is so wrong for us to be having these COVID vaccine mandates and vaccinating our children this way and making people mask up is ridiculous. So we need to be focusing on natural immunity. Natural immunity is so much better and stronger than vaccine immunity. And so he was being censored from all of that. And he was a huge champion and a huge voice for many of us that weren't on the COVID bandwagon. Trump has named him to be the commissioner of the FDA, Food and Drug Administration. I'm like, that's great. And then you got Dave Weldon, Dave Weldon is also one of these guys who's been like, no, you know, going against Fauci with a lot of the COVID kind of stuff and saying, no, this is ridiculous, masking up and forcing vaccines and vaccines on children. And he's been somebody who says, and it's crazy to be giving puberty blockers to children and minors and gender confusing them. And so he's been a real good guy in that area. Trump named him to be the director of the CDC. Yeah. Okay. And so here's what I want to do. I'm curious to get your take on him taking his approach to health care and then also with RFK Jr., certainly his health and human services. So we'll get to that in just a minute. 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Whether it's an individual number of ultrasound images or if it's buying an ultrasound machine, either one, 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds. So here's how you give. Go online right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn, and you can give right there. Or you can give over the phone to a real live person. The answer to the phone is 24-7. So call right now, 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. Just mentioned National Crawford Roundtable when you call. As we continue talking about right now, the latest appointments from Donald Trump for his cabinet and such. So what are your thoughts, Neil, first of all, about Trump taking some people who say, look, I think differently than the Anthony Fauci establishment crowd when it comes to COVID and masks and vaccines and all that kind of stuff, natural immunity versus these are the people he's got heading up the CDC and the FDA. And then of course, health and human services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who he's pro-abortion. So I don't like that, but he, he at least is very outside of the traditional establishment medical community and big pharma and such. I think there's a lot of cleaning up in the way that we look at health in America and
SPEAKER 02 :
that all of these people could be instrumental on and i'm curious to get your take yeah well i i think that what we're seeing in some of these appointments is donald trump drained the swamp 2.0 like you know between his first and second term of office we had covid and of course it came at the very end of his first term but uh COVID changed the world in many ways, but it certainly opened the eyes of the American people to say, do we want to live this way under these kind of mandates? And then to have information coming out later to indicate that masks really were of no value. Social distancing was a basic waste of time. Vaccine mandates were being pushed on people. Some people just outright said, whatever happened to my body, my choice, right? I don't want this stuff in my body. I'm not sure what it is. There's no longitudinal studies to prove that this won't cause cancer down the road or heart disease or something. How do we know? Nobody knows. You're just pushing this stuff on us. This vaccine was just created. So there's a lot of skepticism. And you're right. I forget how you worded it, but the Anthony Fauci crowd that represented the establishment, I think is what you said, A lot of, I think, this helped fuel his reelection in some ways. There was a number of factors, but one of them was this distrust of the establishment, distrust of the narrative that's been shoved down our throat. So when you bring along somebody that has a different point of view, well, let's hear what they have to say. I mean, one example really is just the whole understanding, and I think this is pretty common, especially in the health community. I'm talking about the natural health community. that homeopathic doctors and chiropractors and people who, I think you mentioned last week on the show, hyperbaric chambers, red light therapy, which actually we're gonna be talking about more in the future because we have a sponsor coming our way. that focuses on red light therapy, which is essentially using wavelengths of the very light God himself created to reduce pain and swelling and promote healing in the human body. This is verified. What? Go ahead. Can I say something about that, Neil?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. On my show here in Detroit, okay, I have one of our large advertisers on my show here in Detroit is Pain Free Life Centers. And you know what? They do the red light therapy that you're talking about. It's photobiomodulation. And I got to tell you what. This works. I mean, this is incredible because you're talking about really high dose, high intensity lasers, you know, not just surface topical stuff, but photobiomodulation that gets to the cellular level. I've used it on myself. I had like really severe knee pain that was like, it was just so bad I was using a cane. And this photobiomodulation, red light therapy, completely got me out of knee pain in a natural way. No shots, no drugs, no side effects. how God intended it to be. So I'm looking forward to this new client of ours because I know for a fact this works. I'm living proof of it.
SPEAKER 02 :
I am too. I had COVID really bad, as you know, in the beginning of 2021, January of 2021. I would try to take a deep breath. And, you know, I could take a deep breath, but I was getting nothing out of it. The oxygen saturation level in my body was like between 79 and 82. You know, my fingertips were starting to get a little blue and my lips were getting blue. And like they were saying, you need to go to the hospital. But then the emergency... team, you know, the EMTs were going, don't go to the hospital because you're going to sit in a hallway and nobody's going to deal with you. So, you know, as long as you're lucid right now, ride it out at home. My wife, by the way, is a registered nurse. You know, you're getting good care here, you know, and keep it up. Well, my son, Zach, who's my producer, mentioned it on the air. I was off the air. I was at home sick. And this gentleman, Tom Kerber, who was with Kerber Applied Research in Hamilton, Ontario, is a photobiomodulation guy. And his product, the same as you're describing, it's red light therapy. And within a matter of days, my numbers began turning around because he sent me one of those palm units. I was using it on my chest. And my lungs began to heal. In a matter of two weeks, I was at 99% oxygen content. And I accredit it to that reality. So, you know, sunpowerled.com, S-U-N, sunpowerled.com. You're going to hear a lot about it because they're going to be a sponsor here on the Roundtable. Oh, that's good. It's not why I brought it up, but Tom represents that other part of medicine and healing and, you know, help for people that are sick that we're not hearing about. Bob, you benefited, I benefited. But Big Pharma wants you to believe that the only help is through medications. And they want to get you on medications and then keep you on them for the rest of your life. Then you need a medication to counteract the side effects of the other medication. And I think that the time is ripe to get people in office that have not ridiculous views, not harmful views, but alternative views, And, you know, Donald Trump's been accused of just surrounding himself with loyal yes people. Well, these are not loyal yes people in that sense. These are people that are willing to stand up against big pharma and go, there's a better way to do this or there's at least an alternative that people need to be able to consider as opposed to just remaining sick. And the American population is largely obese and sick and addicted to drugs and dependent is maybe a better word, dependent on medications. I'm not sure we really have to be, and I'm excited about RFK Jr. in that sense and some of these other appointments. I think it's going to be good for us.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know what? I do too. And by the way, one final thing before it turns into a whole red light show here. I actually have in my home, I have units that use this. I have an entire unit that you can lay over top of your chest or your stomach or entire parts of your body. And I also have another one that's a handheld that you can use for particular areas of your body as well. So, yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
I can never remember what they call it. It's a panel of some kind. It's not a solar panel. By the way, you know what? I was always like, how in the world would light work? You know the woman, let's say the opera singer who sings at a particular note, she hits that note and the champagne glass explodes? Yeah. Really? Well, there are various wavelengths of light and a particular wavelength of red light goes to the cell. It excites the mitochondria in the cell to wake up and do what they were created to do. And guess what? Your body starts healing itself. It's unbelievable.
SPEAKER 04 :
It really is. But see, this is the kind of stuff that RFK Jr., I believe, is going to bring to health and human services. And Neil, I think it's possible not to tout Donald Trump too much. But I do believe that it's possible that 30, 40, 50 years from now, when we're long gone, that America could have a completely different attitude toward the way that we treat healthcare in this country. And before you know it, you have, who knows, maybe even 10 years from now, you have insurance companies starting to insurance thing, starting to actually cover things like red light therapy, hyperbaric oxygen treatment, you know, some of these alternative methods and treatments because and that we don't become so beholden to the pharmaceutical industry and the establishment medical community the way that they function. Do you know, Neil, I don't know if you know this or not, but I'll bet most in our audience don't know this. When you turn on the TV, especially late at night, and you see commercial after commercial after commercial for pharmaceutical drugs, prescription medication, and usually a 60-second spot has 20 seconds devoted to the commercial and then 40 seconds of the disclaimers that are sped up, you know. Side effects could possibly include, you know, death and bleeding eyes and your arms could fall off and everything. I'm sitting here listening going, you know what? I think I'd rather have the headache, you know, than the symptoms. But do you know that there are only two nations out of 196 nations on planet Earth? There are only two of them, the United States and New Zealand, that allow advertisements to the public of pharmaceutical medication. Only two. Every other nation on planet Earth, you're not allowed to run TV commercials for prescription medication. So I'm not saying there's no place for prescription medication. I'm just saying the United States is the prescription medication capital of the world. And there needs to be a completely different way to approach this. That's why I'm glad to see RFK Jr., and what he's going to do in health and human services. I'm glad to see the CDC and the FDA basically taking a different approach during these next four years.
SPEAKER 02 :
And in furtherance to what you're saying, we're one of two nations worldwide, of course, that are allowing these kind of commercials. And as you aptly said, like the first 10 seconds is about the benefit of what this drug supposedly can do. All of a sudden, And look, you can play tennis again with your wife. And everybody's smiling and they're playing tennis. And then there's 45 or 50 seconds of disclaimers about everything. You know, your arms falling off. Hey, if you die, call your doctor immediately. Right. I mean, there's these horrible kind of side effects. But. The real reality here, somebody might say, well, listen, drugs can help people. Yeah, sure, but they can also harm them. And they're very lucrative financially. Like, this is big. This is hundreds of billions of dollars that we're talking about here. And the pharmaceutical company wants to protect their investment. This is big business. And if you can get somebody on a drug and keep them on the drug for the rest of their life, they're going to... I mean, that's just cash on the barrelhead. But if the person actually gets healed... then the money flow stops. And so follow the money, folks. Look at what finances are doing, profits ultimately is a better word, what profits are doing to drive this conversation that we're having right now. Like this has got to stop. And thank God that there's some people in there that are at least going to take a different look, different approach to this whole thing than the people that are beholden to the agenda that Dr. Fauci was all about.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, the insurance companies, the insurance companies actually have an opportunity to be more profitable because they'll have to pay out less in hospital expenses if you have alternative preventative treatments that they're willing to cover. You cover those, those are going to be less expensive to cover than somebody in the hospital for six weeks. So insurance companies need to completely revamp the way that they think. And I think this could be the catalyst for for that happening for the next generation. We'll see. Obviously, as you listen to this podcast, we talk about pre-born a lot, and I just want to remind you folks, if you haven't given to pre-born yet, please do it now, okay? You're coming up on the end of the year. This is a great time to either A, buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000, or B, pay for an individual number of ultrasound images to save as many babies' lives as you can. It's the ultrasounds that save the babies' lives, folks. Now, if you buy an ultrasound machine, yeah, they're 15 grand. It's a nice tax write-off for you. But do you realize your forever legacy is going to be that you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions, saved that many babies' lives? Is that worth 15 grand to you? You know, 100% of what you give to pre-born goes to ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. Now, for everybody else, option B, it's like, well, I can't do that, but I can pay for an individual number of babies' lives to be saved. Okay, $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby's life. So pray about a number of babies' lives you'll save. Take $28 times fill in the blank, and that's your gift to pre-born. And again, 100% goes to fund ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. You can give two ways, on the phone or online. If you give online, go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. Or you can give to a real live person over the phone. They answer the phones 24-7. So call right now, 833-850-BABY, 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And Neil and I will continue the second half as we talk a little bit more about what's happening in the world of politics. And then we'll talk about Thanksgiving and all things Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yeah, Thanksgiving. Oh, that's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
There is that little holiday called Thanksgiving happening this week. All right. More of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast coming up next.
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Continuing the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. That's it. That's everybody that matters. That's it today. That's it today, yeah. John Rush doesn't matter. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, he matters. He matters a lot. We miss John Rush. Rush to Reason, Denver, Colorado. John will be back with us next week, of course. So tomorrow is Thanksgiving. We're broadcasting this on Wednesday morning, so we'll talk about Thanksgiving in a little bit. But first, a little bit more stuff that's happening in news and politics. We were talking about the cabinet appointments, and I am kind of curious what you think also, Neil, about the replacement for Marco Rubio, nominated for secretary of state. Marco Rubio is a Florida senator. There's some speculation that Ron DeSantis – He's got to name somebody to fill his place in there. That's what a governor gets to do. Might it be Laura Trump? And if it is Laura Trump, who is the co-chair of the RNC right now. Could this possibly be the beginning of a new Trump family dynasty, much like we had the Kennedy dynasty that lasted a generation? I mean, you got Eric Trump, you got Don Trump Jr., potentially Laura Trump. Who knows if Ivanka Trump gets into politics? You do have to wonder, is there possibly a Trump family dynasty to develop over the next generation?
SPEAKER 02 :
I think it's entirely possible. Even Barron Trump, after he finishes his NBA career as center for the Milwaukee Bucks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Beat Will Chamberlain, he'll score 101 points. Just stand under the basket and we'll toss it to you and you can just drop it in.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, I hadn't seen him in a while. I don't know why I had missed seeing him. He's huge. Six foot eight. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
He makes Donald Trump look short.
SPEAKER 02 :
How weird is this for Donald Trump to look short? I know. And it's probably not the end of his growth spurt. Who knows? He could grow more. But either way, you're right. I mean, I think that the Trump dynasty possibility is real. That could happen. There are probably some people that are really, really praying it will happen and others that are absolutely terrified by the thought. But it is an interesting thing that you propose because obviously he's got – some very loyal people. And you know, one thing, you can say, anybody can say anything they want about Donald Trump, and there's a lot that's been said. I've been critical of some of the things he's done, very critical at times. We've talked about some of that here on NBL. I'm sorry, on the Roundtable. NBL's the name of my radio show. And I do the same thing. PDS is what I do. Bob Duke.
SPEAKER 04 :
I get it. I get it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Okay. So, but, you know, for all the negative things that can be said about Donald Trump, one thing that I think is interesting is when you've got grown children that love and respect you, there's something about that that needs to be said. Because, I mean, we've got people listening right now that might be hostile to who Donald Trump is. but they have no relationship with the kids. They're estranged from other family members. There's some kind of fracture in the family and I'm not picking on these people. I'm just saying Donald Trump must have done something right family-wise because he's got an awful lot of love and appreciation within the family. So is it possible that there would be others who want to carry that legacy? And I think it's entirely possible. And then Lara, of course, is the wife. Oh, by the way, we have a family friend named Lara, who's a dear friend of ours. and she spells her name the way Laura Trump does, and I don't know if she pronounces it Laura or Lara, I don't know, but I'm going to say Lara because I don't want to offend our personal friend because I don't know Lara Trump. Anyway, but yeah, you know, I was listening to her speak about two days before the election, and I was astounded at how verbal she is and how powerful she is as a communicator. I mean... I gained more listening to Lara Trump for two minutes than I did listening to Kamala Harris for two months. And I'm not trying to be silly or ridiculous. She was talking content. She was talking reality. She was speaking to the American people. Agree or disagree, she was making some solid points. Not everyone's going to agree with those points, but she was making solid points and arguing passionately about the things she believes in, which by the way, happened to be everything that Donald Trump believes in. So the idea that, and she's made it public, I think you and I talked about this maybe before we began the podcast, but that she made it public that she would be interested if DeSantis was to appoint her to that Senate seat vacated by Marco Rubio, if he's confirmed by the Senate, then that would be really interesting because that would be a major political position for somebody other than Donald Trump. And it might be the beginning of something like what you're describing. I mean, the Kennedys were around for a long time. The Bush family was around a long time. Maybe the Trumps will be around for a long time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Maybe, maybe. All right. Let's talk about the the the wailing liberals at this point that are just so upset that they're crying and howling at the moon with tears running down their face. They just can't handle Ellen DeGeneres. has left the country, I won't live in America anymore. It's like, well, okay, bye. But you look at how upset they're being. Breitbart News ran a story out of Washington Free Beacon that's reporting that Secretary of State Antony Blinken Apparently, the State Department was holding therapy cry sessions for people in the State Department that were just so traumatized by Donald Trump winning. I'm not kidding.
SPEAKER 02 :
These are professional government workers.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. Now, they didn't call it a therapy cry session, but the internal State Department email sent across the agency said, So that this is a session where they can discuss and work through their feelings about losing the seminar and the change that comes with it and helping to manage stress and maintain your well-being. And it's like, oh, my goodness, you know, to navigate these challenging times, as it says. And there's just a certain embarrassment factor to this. Colleges, there are many colleges that told their students, you don't have to come to school the day after the election, or we'll delay your tests that you have to take. They're bringing in, once again, the emotional support puppies and the emotional blankets. Well, I was reading an interesting op-ed from Jim Daley, who is the president of Focus on the Family, as we all know. Right. He wrote this piece entitled, Unhinged Election Outcry Reveals Failed Promise of Secular Salvation. And then the subheading of his piece is, if I panic when an election doesn't go my way, I know I need to readjust my priorities. Okay. Well, Neil, here's what I wanted to get your take on, okay? Because I think you and I are going to look at this the same way. We can obviously talk about how silly it is for liberals to put their hope and faith and trust in politics and their emotional well-being in winning the elections. And we're seeing right now the liberal left – that has grown up being taught everything revolves around you. You always get your way. Everybody gets a trophy. Nobody tells you no. And now these are college age kids and young 20 somethings who half of America during the election told them, no, you don't get your way. You have to share. It's the other people's turn now. And they just can't handle that. All right. I get that meltdown that happens on the left. But one of the things that concerns me, Neil, is I don't want that to happen among Christians who tend to be more politically conservative. Because one of the things that I told my audience, and I've said this multiple times, is that if Kamala Harris wins the election... Do you know what I'm going to say the day after the election? I'm going to say something. I'm not discouraged. I'm not defeated. I'm not experiencing anxiety over this. You know why? Because my hope is not in Donald Trump. My hope is not in the Republican Party. My hope is not even in America. It's certainly not in elections. My hope is in Jesus Christ. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't prefer to have Trump in the White House, and I'm glad that we will. But you know what? Look, I'm a Detroit Lions fan. When we talk Thanksgiving, we'll talk a little bit of Lions football too. But I hope the Lions win. I really, really hope they do. But if they lose, it's not like I'm suddenly going to go into a fetal position under the table and I can't function and I have to howl at the moon. Jesus Christ is still Lord. So let's talk to that, Neil, that how important it is for Christians to recognize that the We may hope for things in our culture and society. We may fight for America. We may get involved in politics. But let's make sure that we don't get so absorbed into these things that they end up being the source of our comfort and peace. Because that's when we're moving in a really bad direction. Here's what I want you to do. Now that I've laid this up on the table for you, I want you to give us some insight into this right after I talk about Preborn for just a moment. Because as you know, folks, we need to save babies' lives. And there's a chance to do this by partnering with Preborn, giving to Preborn. Preborn is the main pro-life group all across America that shows ultrasound images of of unborn babies to expectant moms. They do this in pro-life centers across the country, okay? But it takes money to do this. So here's what we're asking everybody in the audience to do right now. Give one of two ways to pre-born. Either option A, go ahead and pay for an individual number of ultrasound images, okay? And you can decide how much you spend. Or option B, buy an ultrasound machine. Ultrasound machines are $15,000. If you buy an ultrasound machine, 100% of what you give goes to the ultrasound machine, not a penny for overhead. And your forever legacy will be that you're responsible for stopping thousands and thousands of abortions, saving thousands of babies' lives. What a nice tax write-off for you too, coming up on the end of the year. Now, option A, maybe you can't buy an ultrasound machine. Okay, will you pay for an individual number of ultrasound images and save as many babies' lives as you can? $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby's life. So how many babies' lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. Whatever that number is, that's your gift to pre-born. So here's what you do. You can give by going online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. or just give them a call. You can give over the phone, 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. They answer the phones 24-7. You can talk to a real-life person, but let's everybody do this, okay? Let's save these babies' lives. Moms choose life. when they see a picture of their baby, all right? They don't go to Planned Parenthood. So that's why it's so important to do this. So 833-850-BABY. Talking with Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live, myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado, will be back with us next week. So Neil, what about this on the conservative Christian side? I don't ever... want my passion for politics to so consume me that before you know it, I'm depending on election outcomes, I'm depending on Donald Trump, I'm depending on the Republican Party, I'm even depending on America for my peace, my comfort, my joy, my emotional wellbeing. That tells me that idolatry is being practiced. So how do we draw that proper balance between being passionate about our country and elections and politics but not allowing it to become a form of idolatry.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, I'll answer your question in a second. If the Bills and the Detroit Lions make the Super Bowl – no, I'm saying this for real. All right, all right. If the Bills and the Detroit Lions make the Super Bowl, one of them will win the Super Bowl for the first time ever. The Bills have been there four times. They've lost four times. Detroit Lions have never been to the Super Bowl. So if the Lions beat the Bills in the Super Bowl, I would be thrilled for the Detroit Lions. They're my NFC team. I want to see them go all the way. That would be great. If they happen to be playing the Bills and the Bills lose for the fifth time in the Super Bowl –
SPEAKER 04 :
From a wide right field goal at the end, no less.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. I will go into fetal position and hug a teddy bear because I don't know how else I would handle that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's the podcast teddy bear. You know, we do need to – we need to talk to – you know what? We need to talk to Don Crawford about maybe distributing – company logo teddy bears for either you or me.
SPEAKER 02 :
Let's do it. Okay. But all that said, I mean, and it's an important point, I think, you know, it is interesting how the left reacted the first time Donald Trump won and they're handing out teddy bears at Stanford. Like, come on. Really? Like you guys are supposed to be the future of the world. You're going to be the lawyers and the doctors and all this stuff. And you're hugging teddy bears? What does the world come to? And I do think that the everybody gets a trophy mantra of the left. I'm not saying that there aren't Christians that play into that at times. You know, that that that whole like every everyone's equal and all that stuff. No one ever should win because we all should get that. That is damaging to the psyche of the American people. And I think that you're right, that that, you know, pampered children on college campuses across the country are having a hard time coping with life in general, let alone the outcome of the election. So I think all that stuff is real. But let me say this, that yes, Christians need to guard against this. And I was a little disturbed, not totally, but a little disturbed by how far off the rails some people, a small, slim minority, but some people on the conservative right went to say that the world will basically end if Donald Trump is not reelected. This is the final election. There will be no more elections. You know, this is going to be it. And I disagree with that statement. And I just think it was too far to the right. On top of that, let me say one thing that I just feel like I need to say, and that is I get I get disturbed at times looking at ultra conservative Christian organizations that do fundraising based on the fear you're talking about. Like, you know, leading up to the election, if Donald Trump doesn't win, it's the end of the world. You know, Christianity will be put in prison forever and will not be able to function, blah, blah, blah. No, no. That's not true because Jesus Christ sits on his throne. And so, one, I think it's important to provide a little balance to say that Christians do fall into this at times, and organizations, I think, inappropriately make these incredible claims in order to help raise funds, and I'm against that. But by and large, thank God that our hope is not in politics. Politicians are failed. I mean, God invented civil government and knew that it would be run by broken people who were sinners and many of them separated from God. But in order to provide some sense of law and order and some civility on the planet and for us to be able to get along and to have rules and regulations and some structure or order, he created civil government. And it's messy and it's ugly and we should do the best that we can. I just thank God that our hope is not in any of these things and we don't need to melt down no matter what happens next. Or who Donald Trump appoints or whether or not somebody's confirmed by the U.S. Senate as maybe one of these appointments will be turned down or something. The world isn't over. The world isn't over because Matt Gaetz won't serve as Attorney General. Pam Biondi will, apparently, if she's confirmed. So yeah, thank God that as believers, our future is not based in politics, but in the truth of who our eternal God is.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's true. So true. So true. So for our last few minutes, we're broadcasting this on Wednesday morning. So tomorrow is Thanksgiving. And just kind of curious, what are your plans?
SPEAKER 02 :
For this Thanksgiving, we have a family that moved in next to us a number of years ago. They're a Muslim family. The father then abandoned the mom, moved to Iraq, and married a woman with five children, left behind a wife and four children. He's still married to her. Ultimately, the house, which was totally in his name, got sold out from underneath them, and they're homeless as a result of all that. So my three kids and our four grandkids will be here, and then we invited them. They're living in a motel right now. We invited them to come for Thanksgiving, and it's going to be a little different. There's sort of a dark cloud hanging over the whole thing because of their future, what ultimately is going to happen to them. But we had the joy of giving the mom an Arabic Bible, A couple of months ago when they were at our house for dinner, this was prior to them getting evicted from their home. So, you know, we're thankful that we have a connection with them. We're prayerful that God will get a hold of their hearts and allow them to see who Jesus really is, not just a prophet, but the Son of God, God himself, who came to earth, the incarnation, put skin on. to rescue us from sin and to give us hope for our future to give us an opportunity to have a relationship with jesus i mean i don't want to over spiritualize it we don't know we've never had them you know with our kids all in one setting before we pray it just goes well and that we're able to love on them um because all of our hearts are heavy for what you know has occurred in their lives so it's going to be a little unusual for us thanksgiving day yeah what about you that's great though uh
SPEAKER 04 :
A lot simpler than that. We're just, we're actually going over to my sister-in-laws and we're kind of their whole, their big family and our big family is joining together to have kind of a joint Thanksgiving together. But, you know, one of the things we had to do is that when I was talking with my sister-in-law, she was like, okay, well, we want to have everybody over about three o'clock and And I was like, okay, look, the Detroit Lions play every Thanksgiving. Here we go. And the Detroit Lions game is on from 1 till 4. And they live about an hour away from us. And so need to – because my boys are going to revolt if we have to. Unless you're willing to have three TVs in the center of the table pointing in different directions so it's like a sports bar. And she's like, no, no, how about we start Thanksgiving dinner at 5? And I was like, okay, sound good. So I contacted the boys. I was like, okay, guys, we're good. I took care of it.
SPEAKER 02 :
So the boys are coming over. Save Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. We save Thanksgiving. So the boys are coming over to the house, and we're going to watch the Lions game together, and hopefully they beat the Bears. By the way, the Detroit Lions are – They're 0-6 for the last Thanksgiving Day games. So they've got a chance to break a six-year losing streak on Thanksgiving. But you know something interesting? The number one and number two teams in the NFL right now are number one, Detroit Lions, and number two, Buffalo Bills. What in the world is going on, Neil? It could come down to you and me. It really could.
SPEAKER 02 :
It really could. And, you know, John Rush of Rush to Reason in Denver has been texting me periodically and thanked us for beating the Kansas City Chiefs. The week prior, the Denver Broncos had him on the line, and they were going to kick a field goal to win the game, which got blocked. And we have a guy on staff at WDCX, longtime guy. He's been there 30 plus years. He believes the whole NFL is scripted and that, you know, it's all, you know, set up so that Mahomes and the Chiefs can keep winning and the referees are in their back pocket and the whole thing. But that this, you know, blocked, supposed blocked field goal Denver didn't get a chance to beat the Chiefs as a result. This was all scripted to just create higher drama for the Bills-Chiefs game and then on from there. Anyway, who knows? But the point is, it really could end up as the Detroit Lions in the NFC, the Bills in the AFC, and that would be really cool. Because to me, then somebody who's never won the Super Bowl is going to win. But if it's the Chiefs again... No way. I know. I don't even want to watch the Super Bowl if that's the case.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you know what? I believe Detroit and Buffalo play each other in about two or three weeks.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, they do. They do. And, you know, honestly, because I think Detroit is going to be the number one seed in the NFC, I kind of hope the Bills win that. We need that win to try to get home field advantage. Because we can beat the Chiefs in the regular season. But every time we face them in the playoffs, it's in their own ballpark there in Missouri. And if we could get home field advantage by not losing and hopefully somebody is able to knock off the – you know, they've won like most of their games by just a few points, like a field goal or a touchdown was the only thing separating them from the team that they beat. And so they've been on the ropes like five or six times and pulled it out every time. So I'm just kind of hoping – You know, maybe the Bills will prevail against the Lions here, but then face them again in the Super Bowl. I'd be all for it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that would be great. We'll see. And as we kind of wind down our podcast time today, let's talk a little bit about what Thanksgiving really does mean. You know, Neil, it's so easy to get caught up in all the craziness of what's happening in life and in the world and our own personal tragedies and trials that we walk through and everything else. But sometimes I think we forget, number one. how much we really do have to be thankful for, and number two, how often we're instructed in Scripture to give thanks in all things. And so sometimes we forget to have a thankful heart, and instead of focusing on, oh, this is bad, and this is bad, and look at this negative thing, and those are real, And sometimes we just really need to purpose ourselves to say, you know something, God, I got a lot to thank you for. And I just want to thank you for this and for this and for this and for this. And it takes effort, but it goes against the grain of our feelings sometimes. But we really do need to do that.
SPEAKER 02 :
A hundred percent. And, you know, I was talking with a guy the other day on my program and I don't remember if I have the statistics straight, but it was an over, it was a huge number. Like he said that the vast majority of people in the world, something like 60%. don't have immediate access to running water and electricity like we do here in the United States. Which, I mean, it just seems like... Because when we travel, like if you go to Italy, I mean, they got electricity and water and whatever. So who are these people? But I mean, we're talking about developing countries and remote places around the world. And the point being, not everybody has access to something that simple. So there's really... you know, sort of basic daily things that we can be thankful for. I always thank God for the breath in my lungs, et cetera. But I just got to say personally, I'm so grateful for second chances because I know I wouldn't be here without them. I'm thankful for God's grace. And even little things, like really simple things. My little three-year-old granddaughter, Blythe is her name, which means joy, B-L-Y-T-H. Blythe is just, she brings so much joy to our family. But the other day I was headed somewhere and she said, you know, I was walking through the house, she was here and she said, Papa, will you play house with me? She's got a little doll set, you know, a little fake house with cars and people and stuff. Will you play with me? And I remember thinking, oh, I just want to go check my email. I've been doing family stuff for a while here. I just need to get ahead on a few things. And down deep, I thought, Neil, it's your second chance. With your own kids, you focused a lot on work. And I really do regret certain things about being involved with so many different organizations, so many different events and things that I don't even know the name of anymore. and you know time with my kids suffered now my kids love me and we've got a great family relationship but i would do anything to take it back so i just said blythe yeah papa will play with you so i sat down and we only played for about seven or eight minutes she got distracted by something else and i went and checked my email but you know even the opportunity to just get things right the second time around and god's grace and his mercy being new every morning is what provides that so i don't know that's fantastic that's well i'll tell you what
SPEAKER 04 :
There are so many things, little things, big things to be thankful for. And the fact that God sent his son to die for our sins, to give all of us. that second chance is just remarkable. And so much to be thankful for. Everything else above that is just gravy, folks. It's cream on top. But we live in a fallen world, and our hope is not in the things of this world. It's in eternity. But anyway, so take the time to give thanks to God in the midst of all your turkey and cranberry sauce and everything else. We also want to give thanks to Preborn and the tremendous work that they do saving babies' lives. And so we've had a lot of our listeners that have given to Preborn, and we're so thankful to you for that. And we're just asking everybody right now, if you've given already or maybe you haven't given before, would you consider giving something right now to Preborn to save some babies' lives, to stop some abortions? $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby's life. So pray about a number of babies' lives you'll be willing to save. Take $28 times fill in the blank, and then that's your gift to preborn. Maybe it's a nice tax write-off for you. And if you can afford it, we need some people to buy ultrasound machines. They're $15,000 a piece. But your forever legacy will be you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions over the years. So what do you say? And 100% of what you give to pre-born goes to ultrasounds, okay? Nothing for overhead. So these would be your legacies. Maybe a nice tax write-off for you too. Either way, individual ultrasounds or the ultrasound machine. Here's how you give. Go right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there. Or you can give over the phone. They answer the phones 24-7. You talk to a real-life person. Call 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason with Denver, Colorado. Be back with us next week. Myself, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. We thank you folks for being with us. We always appreciate your five-star reviews. Have a great and happy Thanksgiving, everybody. For us, it's tomorrow, but we're broadcasting on Wednesday. But anyway, thanks for listening. And Neil, have a happy Thanksgiving to you and your family too. Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone listening. You bet. Take care.
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