As the episode progresses, Andy and Jersey Joe tackle the ever-complex issue of immigration. They debate birthright citizenship and discuss viable solutions for illegal immigrants who are law-abiding and contribute to the economy. Jersey Joe suggests the practical application of H-1B work visas as a middle-ground approach to leverage the skills and talents of immigrants without cutting the citizenship line.
The show takes an intriguing turn when discussing the juxtaposition between state and federal laws, especially with local governments making bold moves that defy federal directives. The example of Denver’s mayor resisting federal immigration laws highlights the contentious relationship between local governance and federal mandates. Andy and Joe question whether actions toward federal resistance would hold any water in a legal arena, contemplating potential Supreme Court interventions.
Addressing broader socio-political themes, Andy and Joe explore what is popularly referred to as ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome.’ They relate this with existing sentiments about possible expatriation and investigate why so many Americans might be drawn to countries like New Zealand, only to be met with stringent immigration criteria far tougher than those in the U.S.
With all these narratives converging, Andy raises the critical question of whether Americans have the resolve to face the reality of mass deportations. He wonders if the nation is prepared to stand by difficult decisions once friends, neighbors, and individuals who contribute positively to society are implicated. It’s a sobering thought that resonates through the discussion, challenging audiences to reconsider their stance on complex social issues.
This installment of Rush to Reason is not just an analysis of current topics; it’s a deep dive into the fabric of American politics and society. It illuminates the intricacies of governance, immigration policies, and electoral shifts, prompting listeners to engage more thoughtfully with the questions of today.
In this episode of Rush to Reason, fill-in host Andy Pate and Jersey Joe delve into the tensions between local and federal laws, specifically related to immigration. They discuss the implications of potential mass deportations and whether Americans are truly ready to face such a reality. The conversation also sheds light on international immigration norms and the concept of first safe harbor as it applies to asylum seekers. Tune in for a thought-provoking analysis of current socio-political issues.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And welcome to our number three here on Rush to Reason. I'm Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. And on the line right now, we've got Jersey Joe. Joe, how you doing? Andy, I'm doing good. That's what Goomba doing, hey. Doing all right, doing all right. Hey, I noticed that really quick here, a couple things. First of all, New Jersey came within, like, what, five and a half points for Trump?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, absolutely. By the way, five formerly blue counties in New Jersey flipped red.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, I noticed that. And this is one thing that I've been very upset with here in Colorado. Nationally, I'm just reminding people Donald Trump improved over 2020 by 6.2 percent versus the Democrat. 6.2%. Here in Colorado, he only improved by 2.5%. So 3.7% of his national gains, that's about 60% of them, right, were lost here in Colorado. But for those who say, yeah, but this is a blue state, I got news for them. Four out of the top five states in the country for him expanding and doing better than 2020 were blue states. And one of them was New Jersey.
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Right, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm going to say that had we had a different candidate who wasn't so despised, if we had DeSantis or Haley as a candidate, I think Jersey would have gone, the entire state would have gone red.
SPEAKER 15 :
I believe that Haley would have won New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Virginia.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, I don't know that she would have won all of the northern central states.
SPEAKER 17 :
He wouldn't have got New York. He wouldn't have got Connecticut.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the big three, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I don't know that Nikki Haley would have had the same attraction, the same appeal. In those northern states. I think she would have won Wisconsin, definitely, because that's her kind of state. Michigan, I think, is really a Trump kind of state. I don't know about Pennsylvania. What do you think?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think she would have taken Pennsylvania. They also just elected a Republican senator there. True. So I think she would have taken Pennsylvania. I think she would have taken Jersey. And remember, Chris Christie was governor of New Jersey, what, 10, 12 years ago? Yeah. Yeah.
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So she might have even made a run. I'm going to be honest. She might have made a run at New Mexico. And I say this, you know, people hear this and they think I'm a big Nikki Haley fan. I'm not. I'm just talking about marketability. Nikki Haley. I do not share her foreign policy. It's too hawkish for me. I don't I'm not a Tucker Carlson peacenik. OK, I don't go that far. I'm in the middle. All right. I'm in the middle. And but I do believe that she would have had a chance at a number of states. That Trump did not really quick here before we move on, because I know you got a lot of issues. And here's the good news. The entire hour is yours. I don't have anything after this.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's what my psychiatrist tells me. I have a lot of issues.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah. And by the way, what do you think about the psychiatrist going in and doing therapy sessions for the State Department?
SPEAKER 17 :
I hadn't heard that one, but God knows.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, my gosh. They had post-election therapy sessions, and they are being raked over the coals because they were so upset about the election. It's just like the State Department, they're representing us all over the world. And as I was saying in the first hour, we were told when Biden took over that the adults are back in charge. Okay, and here you got these people needing to pet kittens and puppies because they got to get through losing an election, and they are representing us all over the world. Oh, yeah, the adults were really in charge. Okay, really quick here, getting to Denver. Here in Denver, as you know, the mayor said that he's going to resist elections. Panama Square, yep. Right. He's going to resist the feds coming in and removing illegal, dangerous, illegal aliens. He's going to resist it across the board. I got just 30 seconds here from Rand Paul. Here we go.
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That the mayor of Denver, if he's going to resist federal law, which there's a long standing history of the supremacy of federal law, if he's going to resist that, it will go all the way to Supreme Court. And I would suspect that he would be removed from office. I don't know whether or not there'd be a criminal prosecution for someone resisting federal law. But he will lose. And people need to realize that what he is offering is a form of insurrection where the states resist the federal government. Most people objected to that and rejected that long ago. So I think the mayor of Denver is on the wrong side of history and really I think will face legal ramifications if he doesn't obey the federal law.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and two questions here. Joe, first of all, do you think that the Denver mayor would be put in prison if he continues to resist? And secondly, while he's there, do you think the State Department could loan him some support animals?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I don't think they'd put him in prison, but I think they would.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would if he did that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yeah. No, if he attempted to use force, if he attempted to use the Denver police.
SPEAKER 15 :
If he well, he said he was going to organize and have thousands of people barring the way activists.
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Yes. In the way that's an act of insurrection against the federal government. And he he he should be arrested and tried for an act for, you know, that is that would truly be an act of insurrection using force. against the federal government. Absolutely should be arrested, tried, and imprisoned.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. Okay, Joe, before we get to your first topic, how do people reach you? How do they listen?
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If you want to listen to the podcast, you can go to the Jersey Joe website, and we spell Jersey, J-E-R-Z-E-E, jerseyjoe.com. Just go to the jerseyjoe.com website. If you want to put me on your distribution list or you want to send me a topic or ask me a question, Just send me an email to Joe at Jersey Joe dot com. Just remember to spell Jersey with an R, a Z and two E's.
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Sounds good. OK, what do you got for me?
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All right. Well, talking about deportation and whatnot, I'd like to. Charlie's got a 30 second clip of a woman who is a MAGA extremist. Now, this is from a couple of years ago, but I'd like to listen to see if they can identify this woman who is just pro deportation. And she's, you know, right there was locked in lockstep with Trump. Charlie, can you play that clip?
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So I think we've got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they've committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked. They're gone. If they've been working and are law abiding, we should say, here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally. You have to pay back taxes. And you have to try to learn English. And you have to wait in line.
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All right.
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So I think we got to have tough conditions.
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OK.
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Was that Hillary? That was Hillary Clinton, 2016. Today, wouldn't she be classified as a MAGA extremist?
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She would, although I got to be honest, I disagree with one thing there. If you've come here illegally, I don't think you should be able to just stay, pay a fine, and hang around. No, I don't either. Look, I think you've got to go back and you've got to go through the system right because you still cut in line. I don't think you should be able to do that. But let me ask you this, Joe, really quick before we move on. What would you do with those who are not criminals? Now, they're all criminals because they broke our immigration law. I get it. Okay. So you find somebody, but they have been, you know, following all the laws. Okay. Now, I don't want to reward them for coming here illegally, but what if they are somebody who, as John always says, they offer the skills that we do want in our economy. They offer the character we do want in our economy. What do you do?
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you allow them to apply for an H-1B work visa, which is different than immigration for the purpose of citizenship. So the Congress sets, and I think the number is around 300,000 every year, Congress sets a limit for the people who can be admitted for the intent of applying for citizenship. Now, somebody, and that line is a very long line, but tomorrow, if you're coming from India someplace and you have a job offer from here, you can apply for an H-1B work visa. It does not give you the right to apply for citizenship in this country. It doesn't jump you to the head of the citizenship line. But you get a work visa and you pay taxes. Okay.
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So basically what we do, what I'm saying is this. If it benefits us, America, and I don't care. I know that sounds heartless. You know what? Newsflash. Newsflash. You tried to steal citizenship. OK, if you know, I just don't think it's fair that if you try to steal citizenship, that you can have the citizenship. OK, and if you try to steal a car, if I try to steal your car, Joe, I try to steal your car. OK, you know, I'm not saying that I should be put to death. But the last thing the judge should do is give me your car. OK, whatever they do to me, I should never get your car.
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Is that fair? And if I'm going to give somebody like that a work visa, it would be with a condition. that you are never ever eligible to apply for citizenship in this country. You, you forfeited the right to apply for citizenship when you entered this country illegally.
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Okay. What about, what about birthright citizenship? I believe it should be ended. What do you think?
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I think it should be ended as well, but unless and until that happens, it's, it's still a reality. So if a child is born here under our current constitution, I think the constitution should be amended. Um, But but unless and until that happens, Andy, it's kind of a I don't want to say hypothetical, but it's.
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Well, Trump wants it gone. So that makes it a little more than hypothetical, don't you think?
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Well, well, again, you've got to have three quarters of the states ratify. You can't do it without amending the Constitution. And you have to have all the 12 states agree to amend the. No. If it could happen. Fantastic. You know, if I would be all in favor of it. But how realistic is it that you would get 38 out of 50 states to support amending the Constitution?
SPEAKER 15 :
Here's another question. Are you counting the days from now, you know, shopping days and so forth, from now until Christmas? Or are you counting the days from now until January 20th?
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Now until January 20th, which is my Christmas.
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I know, mine too.
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We're excited about that Christmas, aren't you? I'm so excited about that Christmas.
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Oh, me too.
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Okay, go ahead. A couple other things. By the way, speaking about, you know, we're going to talk about Trump derangement syndrome. You know, a lot of people have threatened to leave the country, and I did a lot of research on this. By the way, most of these countries like New Zealand and Australia, by the way, the number of people, Google statistics, people Googling immigration to New Zealand, it went from 2,500 a day to 2,500. thousand a day. And here's some of the things I learned about immigration to New Zealand. Number one, if you don't have a job offer, you have to prove that you have a marketable skill and that you have at least the financial means to support yourself for one year, one year without a job. And you have to demonstrate proficiency in the English language to be admitted into New Zealand, to immigrate into New Zealand. And if you don't have a job after a year, you get deported. So New Zealand is full of heartless racists. Heartless racists. You've got to speak English. You have to have either a job offer. You have to have a marketable skill. And if you don't have a job offer, you have to show financial proof that you can support yourself for a year. Now, for people who thought about immigrating but figured out they can't get in, they don't want to, There's a cruise line that's offering a four-year ocean cruise where you will never set foot back in the United States for the next four years. Wow.
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These people, maybe the State Department, could they call that the State Department cruise ship?
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They could. By the way, it's $40,000 a year, which is about what it costs to go to college. $40,000 a year, you'll go all over the world. You go to Europe, you'll go to Australia, you go to Singapore, China, Taiwan. Antarctica, but you won't set foot on any U.S. soil for four years.
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Yeah, I got to be honest, that does sound like a pretty fun cruise. I mean, it really does. It sounds like a fun cruise, but I ain't going nowhere because I'm happy as can be. I got Donald Trump coming in to be my new president. Hey, let's take a break. We'll be right back. Up next is Group Insurance Analysts. Do you know all the details about insurance? Of course not. So I have GIA shop for you. Folks, it doesn't cost a dime extra. So call Group Insurance Analysts at 303-423-0162 or you can find them at e-gia.com.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's afternoon rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Jersey Joe on the line. Joe, before we get to your next topic, I got a serious question for you. I mean very serious. Do Americans have the stomach for mass deportations? And what I mean is this. I know over 60% of Americans say, yeah, we want mass deportations. And I know Americans are going to be fine for the first year or two when basically we're just going after the criminals and the dangerous people. But what about when it goes past that and they start taking out friends? They start taking out neighbors. They start taking out people who have broken the law and shouldn't be here. but need to go. Because the reason I ask this, Joe, is we're talking about a nation that has charged over $36 trillion of our economy on our kids' credit cards. This is not a nation that faces tough questions. We're talking about a nation that will not raise the retirement age. They won't raise the age on Social Security when people are living 10, 12 years longer and it's breaking the bank. This is not a country full of people who can face tough questions when it matters. Can they face this?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, number one, I think the answer is no, they wouldn't. Not to the extent, but And first of all, I don't think it's possible to deport 20 million people in four years.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, no, no. I don't think it's going to be anything near that. Besides which, I think we're going to mainly be targeting the recent ones. Yes. But what if we're talking like eight? Well, in four years, what if we move out, say, seven, eight million?
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Yeah, I think it depends on who. I think, number one, it obviously starts with the criminals and the Venezuelans and the people from China. And by the way, I'm a big fan of, there's something called the first safe harbor country. In other words, let's say you're fleeing Honduras and you're looking for amnesty, whatever. The U.S. is a signatory to the first safe harbor international treaty that says you don't get to pick and choose. Once you reach the first safe country, you cannot apply for asylum in the United States unless you have applied for and been rejected by the first safe alternative country you reach.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
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So if you fled to Honduras or Guatemala and you made it to Mexico, if you didn't apply for asylum in Mexico, you legally can't apply for asylum in this country.
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, these asylum seekers don't belong here because we weren't their first country. And we've known this for years now. They've been scamming this.
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And I would point that out, that everybody from those countries, and by the way, people from China, what's happening, people from China are getting to Mexico on visas, and then they're going from Mexico to our southern border. Same deal. If you're fleeing China, saying you're seeking political asylum, well, your first safe country was Mexico. And I would take all of those people, and I would point out the American public, we are signatory to an international treaty that says we can't grant asylum to people who didn't play by the rules, and all these rule breakers need to go back. Now, if Mexico rejects them, then fine, they can reapply for asylum here, but you didn't play by the rules, go back. We're a country of laws and rules. Play by the rules.
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What about those who have been simply coming through the ports, not going through Mexico?
SPEAKER 17 :
You mean coming through the ports and the airports?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
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I mean, on valid visas?
SPEAKER 15 :
I don't know. What is valid anymore? I mean, the Biden administration has been fast tracking them through our airports so fast. I mean, none of these people are background checked at all.
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Right. Well, here's the other thing. If you want to come to this country on a student visa or a tourist visa... One of the things you're supposed to do, have to do, is supply a health certificate within 30 days of your arrival in the United States. Yes, I've been tested for tuberculosis and polio and all these things. None of these, how many millions of people during the Biden, none of them have a health certificate. That's why we're seeing this rise in tuberculosis, a rise in polio, which was basically eradicated in this country.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but Biden doesn't care. He doesn't care about us. He doesn't care about the country at all.
SPEAKER 17 :
So all those people go back. The reason I said ports, We have people coming through our ports now and they're arriving at a port of entry in Mexico and they're saying, I wish to apply for asylum. And they've come through the port as opposed to swimming across the river. Right. And they're applying for asylum. So, yes, they came through a port and they said, I'm an asylum seeker. But 90 percent of them don't qualify for asylum. So those people need to be sent back. because they didn't apply for asylum in Mexico or whatever their first safe country was. So they go back. Now the people who came here on a student visa or tourist visa and overstayed their visa, I think they go back too. I agree. Clearly you're clearly, you're not applying for asylum. You know, you've overstayed your visa. You go back to your home country. I agree. Okay. So they go back. Um, so I think it's a question of degrees, Andy, that, you know, we start with, and by the way, young military age men, People who didn't apply for asylum in Mexico or whatever country they originated in, they go back. That's who we start with. Now, people who have been here for 15, 20 years, they're way, way down on the list. People who have a job, they can apply for a work visa. You know, if there's no criminal record, they can apply for, you know, so if they've been picking vegetables, you know, for four years, you know, and they've got steady employment, let them apply for a work visa.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 17 :
But again, but that work visa comes with a condition. You can never apply for citizenship in this country because you entered the country illegally.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Last question, and then we'll go to break here. And when we come back, we'll go right to your film. How fast do you think Trump can finish the wall? Because I think he's going to, I think it's going to move warp speed.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think he could get it done in nine months. There's a lot of wall down there already. If you ever looked at pictures, there's a lot of wall.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but you got to fill it.
SPEAKER 17 :
You got to fill it. By the way, it was ironic that Biden started to sell it. There was a lot of those prefab wall sections that were piled up and Biden began selling them all for pennies on the dollar. And then about 18 months ago, I don't know where the pressure came from, but they decided they need to fill some gaps. And he went and repurchased had brand new ones fabricated after selling off the old ones for pennies on the dollar.
SPEAKER 15 :
This guy's unbelievable. What a waste of money. And, you know, I mean, that's just like when he depleted our oil reserves. Yep. You know, Trump filled them up cheap. He depleted them high. That's right. It's unbelievable. Hey, let's take a break. When we come back, I know you've got a lot of film. We'll listen to that. Up next is Geno's Auto. After that big blizzard, remember that one we had a couple weeks ago? You might need an alignment, and Geno's has a 6495 alignment special for Rush to Reason listeners. Call Geno's. That's Geno's with a J at 303-794-6700.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Jersey Joe. Joe, what do you got for us?
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All right, here's a clip. For some reason, Charlie couldn't get it to play, but here's a woman who's so upset that Kamala Harris lost, and she blames you and me. She blames white guys for that, and here's how angry she is about guys like you and me. And this is a 38-second on TikTok. Here's her solution to take care of guys like you and me.
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I would go as far to say that I would purchase a Glock, and if you and I are walking on the same street, and it's dark out, and you're a white male... You have to be white for this to count, okay? If you're a white male, even if you don't approach me, I will shoot you. Yeah, I know. So it has to be on the street, you and I. It has to be at nighttime, during the day, not so much, but at nighttime, okay? And you have to have very white skin and be a male. I would...
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, no, no, there's a lot of good there. First of all, she supports the Second Amendment. I think that's very positive. And, you know, secondly, Joe, if I simply get a tan. I'm probably pretty safe, you know. And thirdly, you know, she wants to do it at night, not during the day. And I think that's good because, you know, during the day, other people could see this. It's very embarrassing for me to get shot during the day. All right. I would rather get shot at night when none of my friends and buddies see me. What do you think?
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, maybe I get some of that orange stuff that Trump uses. You know, my skin won't be so bright. And by the way, here's another one.
SPEAKER 15 :
This was a wackos.
SPEAKER 17 :
Here's another wacko, and this is a post. I'm just going to read it to you. This woman's name is Lillian Marie, and here's her post. This was November 15th. Kill Donald Trump. Kill his VP. Kill his cabinet picks. That is the only way to save the United States of America. That is the only way to save this nation. I lose if I stand by quietly. There is no victory condition for me if I stay quiet. I support the assassination of Trump.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ma'am, you're going to be picked up soon. Those whirling lights that are coming close to you, they are not fans. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I have to assume that the FBI and or Secret Service are both going to be paying her a visit pretty soon. Now, they go from very, very angry to when did this Weeping and taking videos of yourself, weeping and sobbing become a thing. Charlie, do you have the clip of that woman just weeping uncontrollably? Yes, she does. Can we play that?
SPEAKER 07 :
I hate to be the person that gets on here and cries. But this could break me and my parents apart because they just don't understand what they voted for and what it means and the bigotry and hatred that they stand behind and how I am not trying to be a good person. I'm not Catholic like they are, which is ironic because isn't religion supposed to make you love? But I could see it breaking me and my parents apart because they just don't get it. And they don't get that they voted for someone who's going to make my friends' lives hell. My life's okay. I'm a white woman, but my friends are not going to be okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, Joe, please explain to me what is bigoted about Republicans. I mean, Republicans really want race-based preferences of all kinds for all people removed and for everybody to make it through life based on their own character and merit. Please tell me where the race is in that and why that's going to be oppressive to her friends.
SPEAKER 17 :
I have no idea. I mean, you hear this over and over. You know, they've drank the Kool-Aid. If you spend any time on these liberal sites, they have brainwashed and indoctrinated these people. They have convinced them that Trump and his associates and his advisors are all racist bigots. And you and I know for a fact that is not the case. But they've just, you know, they've been brainwashed. You know, they get all their news from places like MSNBC and these liberal websites, and they You know, I think it was Mark Twain said it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them that they've been fooled. And once they've been fooled, they will go to extreme lengths to rationalize whatever you're telling them. You know, it's called confirmation bias. They want to believe it. They have confirmation bias. They find reasons to reject it. Whatever contrary contradict your evidence.
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, don't get me wrong. I understand she's insane, but they're insane people on both sides. We have insane people in the Republican Party. You have insane people in every very large group. Right. The Republican Party is millions of people. So is the Democrats. So is the church. So is whatever. Right. Every group that big has its insane people. But what I don't understand is this. There are so many people in public positions, like in the media. Take a look at MSNBC, which appears to be going under. It looks like they are up for sale. I think, what is it, Joe and Mika might be on an auction somewhere. And they'll be auctioned off, probably separately. Gee, I hope they don't get separated. That'd be so harsh. But, I mean, you know, it looks like MSNBC is going to be sold off here pretty soon. Lots of people are losing their jobs. But the people there literally preach everything that woman just said. And they mean it. Well, no, no, wait. Okay, I take that back. A lot of them don't mean it. They're lying. But there are people who do mean it. Explain this to me.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, they're so convincing because... The reason, not all of them, but the reason that so many of them are so convincing is that they actually believe it. They've conditioned themselves to believe, you know, there's nothing more convincing than a liar who believes what he's saying. Right. And I think that's what we're looking at. And there's a video of Rachel Maddow, by the way, choking up, you know, the headline comes across the chyron about Elon Musk, you know, discussing buying MSNBC, and she's all choked up about that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I believe she's choked up and tearful over that because her job's at stake. You know, she just took a five million a year pay cut, which is nothing. She was she was going to make 30. She'll make 25 now. And you and I both know her show is losing money big right now. They need to cut her to 10, 15 a year just to get that show to where it might break even. you know, but they agreed to 25. I have no idea. But here's what I don't understand. How do people like her manage to put up crocodile tears and make it look good when they're simply telling lies? And she's done that many times. She'll just flat out lie.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. You know, well, maybe she's a great actress. You know, you're the movie reviewer. Maybe she's a great actress.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think she is. You know, I really do. I think she is. I think she is a great actress, and I think she's got skills. Charlie?
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. All right. Hey, I want to I want to get to one or two other things real quick. Talk about idiots. Charlie has a clip. There's a woman who's testifying before a congressional committee. And the topic is, you know, there's something called if you get a large pistol and when you shoot a very large pistol that, you know, when you shoot the recoil, the muzzle tends to flip up in the air. Well, there's a company came out with something called a stabilizing brace that you can hook to the back of the pistol and It goes over your, it's got like a little C, goes over your forearm. So when you shoot these really big bore pistols, the muzzle doesn't flip up and point at the sky. And some people say, oh, well, you know, that makes it more like a rifle and we need to ban these things. And she's testifying as an expert before a congressional committee. Claiming that adding a brace to the back of a gun makes the bullet come out faster. Charlie, can you play this?
SPEAKER 18 :
Why are pistols equipped with another device which we haven't spoken much about, the stabilizing brace, particularly dangerous to the public?
SPEAKER 04 :
So stabilizing braces are not machine guns. I want to start off by being clear. When we talk about stabilizing braces, we're talking about short-barreled rifles. And short-barreled rifles are more dangerous because they allow a pistol to be shot from the shoulder, which gives it more power and more velocity and therefore more lethality, but still being concealable in the way that a pistol is because it's smaller. More velocity. Stabilizing braces were initially designed to allow a shooter to stabilize a handgun on the wrist or forearm. But what started happening was that the gun industry saw a loophole where they... Okay, I'm having them cut it here, Joe.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'd rather hear you than her because she's insane.
SPEAKER 17 :
Go ahead. She's insane. No, there's nothing you can attach to the outside of a gun that makes the bullet come out faster.
SPEAKER 15 :
What if you run really fast at somebody while shooting?
SPEAKER 17 :
We both know it doesn't work that way. Nothing you can attach to the outside of a gun will affect the speed at which the bullet leaves the muzzle of the gun. And this woman is testifying before Congress as an expert. That is how ridiculous we are.
SPEAKER 15 :
Just curious, does she think Guam could tip over? I mean, if everybody's on one side.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was Congressman Hank Johnson, by the way, from Texas. By the way, Andy, I know you do some independent contract work. You do some work. If you ever come to the New Jersey area, just remember this one piece of advice. Take the cannoli, leave the gun. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do you remember the Godfather reference? Oh, yes, yes, I do. Take the cannoli, leave the gun.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, tell you what, let's take one last break. We'll come back and finish up with Jersey Joe Laktansky, by the way, for those who don't know your last name. All right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, I'll be here.
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SPEAKER 15 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Jersey Joe. Hey, Joe, one quick reminder. Charlie wanted us to pass along. Rachel Maddow is making that $25 million a year working one night a week. They are losing their shirts on her. I mean, what producers, what people in leadership does she have pictures of, and what happens to her when they get sold? Wow, that's $500,000 a night. I mean, how does signing a new contract where you take a $5 million cut, how does that protect her when they get sold? I don't think it matters. No, it doesn't matter whatsoever. I mean, my goodness. I would look at her and say, one night a week? Okay, you know what? You get 10. 10 a year.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think for one night a week, I'd give her $100,000 a night. I like it. Okay, what do you got next, sir? All right, a couple of quick ones. More Trump derangement. We all know who Rob Reiner is. He's a director. He used to be on All in the Family. He was so torn up by the Trump win that he's checked himself into a mental health facility.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. By the way, I think that's long overdue for other reasons, but hey, why not?
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. And other woke... This is more our woke. So a hospital was sponsoring an employee appreciation day. They were going to do a catered lunch for all their employees, and they brought in sandwiches and side dishes from the local Chick-fil-A, which is an independent franchise. Well, apparently a couple of people on their staff are LGBTQ, and of course, The CEO of Chick-fil-A is Christian, and because he wants to honor God and give his employees a chance to go to church, by their corporate standards, all of our franchises will be closed on Sunday. Now, he has personally come out in opposition to gay marriage, but there is nothing – the corporation hires gay people, the franchisees hire gay people. That's simply his personal – but they're so upset that the hospital chose to – have the lunch catered by the local independent Chick-fil-A franchisees, that they apologized. And here was their statement to their employees. We would like to thank our colleagues who had the courage to speak up to widen our lens of inclusivity. Once again, proving, Andy, that no good deed goes unpunished.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and also, look, I've got to be a little harsh here. They've gone pretty woke there at Chick-fil-A. That is not a company that is all about Jesus anymore. It's not God's chicken anymore. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 17 :
It isn't, but still, but those employees protesting where the food came from. Oh, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. By the way, and there's a cartoon, by the way. You remember Peanuts and Peppermint Patty? And, you know, there's a famous scene where they're both leaning up against the tree back to back. And, you know, it's been used over and over. But here's the caption. So Peppermint Patty says to Charlie Brown, she says, what's happened to this younger generation, Charlie Brown? And he answers. It all started with bicycle helmets, and now it's everyone gets a trophy. Kids don't know what it's like to feel pain when they do something stupid. Stupid should hurt. That's good. I like it. I love it. Oh, one more thing, and here's another woke. So North Carolina, the Amish, who are great carpenters, they chartered a bus at their own expense, went down to North Carolina because people were living there. on the dirt in tents, and they went down there.
SPEAKER 15 :
Was the bus horse-drawn?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, the bus was not horse-drawn.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
Anyway, they rode down, and they started coming down, and they had some donations, and they started building these little cabins, 8 by 16. They had a door, a window, and a solar panel on top to provide energy for a light and even a USB charging port. No, no toilet, no plumbing, no electricity.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, but it's shelter. You're helping people in a moment of emergency.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. State of North Carolina said, you have to vacate these structures. They don't pass our building code. You've got to go back in your tents. Oh, my gosh. They were meant to be temporary shelters. They weren't meant to be homes. No. There was no plumbing. There was no electrical outlets. No, you can't use these 8 by 16 wooden shelters with a door and a window and a light. You've got to go back and live in your tent. That's bureaucracy gone wild.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, let me tell you something. If Donald Trump were president right now, what do you think he would say to North Carolina?
SPEAKER 17 :
I don't know if I could say those words on the air. That wasn't beat. Insane bureaucracy. You know, talk about bureaucracy gone wild. I mean, telling people, no, you can't stay in these newly built, sturdy wooden shelters with a slanted roof, but you're going to go back. But your tent's okay. Your cloth tent is okay. But you can't stay in these freshly built wooden shelters.
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, do you sometimes get the feeling that maybe after they go through the federal government, Doge, just for fun, might take a look at some states?
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, I think you'd need 50 different task forces. I have to believe, and John Rush has said it many times, that he could probably cut 10% out of the Colorado budget. You know, without even, you know, in half a day, the stuff we do. Easily. Easily. By the way, the first person that I think they should cut is the invisible guy who shakes Joe Biden's hand when he finishes a speech and turns to walk off the stage. He's got his hands out, looking for somebody to shake hands with.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think that invisible guy does a great job. And I think you're understating the quality that he brings to the entire presentation. Hey, Joe, real quick here before we move on. How do people hear you?
SPEAKER 17 :
Again, if you've got a – you can go to Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Just search for Jersey Joe, J-E-R-Z-E-E, Jersey Joe. You'll get the podcast on any major podcast platform. If you can't do that, just go to my website, JerseyJoe.com, J-E-R-Z-E-E, JerseyJoe.com. And, again, if you want to email me or want to get put on the distribution list, just email me at Joe at JerseyJoe.com. Just use an R, a Z, and two Es.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. We've got three and a half minutes. Go.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, let's talk about Chevron, the latest company. There's been more than 50 Fortune 50 companies, Fortune 500 companies, have left California for Texas. Chevron being the latest. Good. So, and of course, when they go, not only do they take their corporate income tax revenues with them, because they're no longer paying corporate income taxes to the state of California, they also escape the California has mandates that you have a certain number of DEI people on your board of directors.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ooh, are they going to have a house cleaning?
SPEAKER 17 :
They could. They could not renew the directorships of those forced DEI hires. And last but not least, when they move the corporate headquarters, the corporate executives are among the highest paid people in the entire company. And all those high-paying, high-tax people contributing jobs leave the state as well. You know, California's in the top three in terms of people who are losing population. And the only reason they aren't higher up in the list is that the taxpayers and the companies and the taxpayers that are leaving are being somewhat offset by the rush of illegal immigration back into the state. So, but net-net, it's a huge loss in terms of, you know, tax revenue because they're losing taxpayers replaced by illegal immigration.
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, we got a couple minutes. When's the next census? The last one was because the next census, here's the big thing that's going to happen is places like New York and California and Illinois are going to lose a lot of electoral votes. They're going to lose a bunch. And from what I saw by 2028, you could have seven electoral votes transfer from those blue states, just those ones to Texas and Florida.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I think the last census was about three years ago because we did have a reallocation of congressional seats for this election. It happened for this election.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm just saying if the Democrats don't get their acting gear pretty soon, they could find themselves having a real hard time winning the presidency. I mean, they can't lose seven like that. They can't do it.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, they absolutely can't. And as long as we're on the topic of numbers, we only got a minute or so left. I want to get to this. In the six months prior to the election, there were two different Democrat proposals, one in the House of Representatives, one in the Senate, both of which were to expand the Supreme Court. One wanted to expand it from 9 to 11. The other wanted to expand it from 9 to 13. And I think, wouldn't it be hilarious if our new House majority, or Johnson in the House, or our new Senate majority... Put it through? Well, it says, you know, in an effort of bipartisan cooperation, we're going to reintroduce your legislation... verbatim word for word word for word to expand the supreme court and can you imagine that contortions they would have to go through to not vote for their own legislation wouldn't that be hilarious i like it i like it that would be so funny i mean it wouldn't we obviously it wouldn't pass but no can you can you imagine the hilarity of of the uh the uh the mumbling and the stumbling and the ooze and the, but why, why they wouldn't support their own legislation.
SPEAKER 15 :
Joe, that's fantastic. Thank you, sir. Okay, Joe.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. Talk to you next week, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
We'll talk to you next week and maybe hear from you on Wednesday. I don't know folks. That's it for today. Our number one replays next. Now, tomorrow we got a best stuff show. And then on Wednesday, I will be back with movie reviews because we're going into Thanksgiving and I'm going to be reviewing Moana two and Bonhoeffer. And then for our number two, we're going to be doing the best cartoon movies. So we'll be doing that in our number two. Until then, drive safe, God bless, and thanks for joining us at Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
