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In this episode, Kim Munson thoughtfully uncovers the hidden forces shaping our political landscape. Engaging with renowned guests, she addresses current acts of legislation that threaten to impinge on individual freedoms. Through candid dialogue with Rebecca Kelty, the conversation highlights the significance of securing substantial victories in elections. Furthermore, Kim draws connections between noteworthy historical events and our present regulatory environment. From substantial economic discourses to key headlines making waves, the show promises a comprehensive review of today’s pressing matters.
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It’s the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to The Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe.
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Happy Tuesday, Kim.
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Yeah, it’s a little icy out there. So allow a little extra time for your travels today until the sun comes out and melts some of this ice out there. But let’s get into it. We’ve got a great show planned for you again today. Check out the website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. And we’re on live 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour is rebroadcast 10 to 11 in the evening. And that is on all KLZ 560 platforms. which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. As you know, on this show, we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or lives via force. Force can be a weapon, but it can be policy, an unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. The World Economic Forum’s agenda, and all this is connected. The globalist elites, the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, this Colorado governor, the World Health Organization. Land use codes and zoning regulations, force fees. And we’re seeing now, as we talked to Joshua Lowenstein, like monument designations, conservation easements. I guess I need to add all that in there. Let me make a note here. Because the list is going on and on, and we need to reduce that list. Remember, if something is a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it on the show. We focus on the issues, and we will mention the people that are pushing these issues. But we’re working really hard to stay out of all the personalities and all the kind of eighth-grade girl stuff that can happen. And so we’re really trying diligently on that. Our word of the day, I’ve been wanting to use this word for several days, is ostensible. And it is appearing or claiming to be one thing when it is really something else. And I’m thinking in particular, those that are trying to, now it’s incrementally, take away our Second Amendment rights, our rights to protect ourselves and our families against bad actors. And ostensibly, they are trying to limit our access to firearms and ammunition, ostensibly, to have safer communities but what it’s really about is disarming the population so ostensible is o-s-t-e-n-s-i-b-l-e and you should be able to use that in a sentence today That is your challenge. Our quote today is from Henry Hazlitt because producer Joe and Susan Kochevar and I will be doing a roundtable on his book, Economics in One Lesson. And Yvonne Paez might… weigh in on that as well. And Luke is under the weather. Producer Luke is under the weather, so he will not be joining us today. So Henry Hazlitt was born in 1894. He died in 1993. He was an American journalist, economist, and philosopher known for his advocacy of free markets and classical liberal principles. Over a career spanning more than seven decades, Hazlitt wrote extensively on business, economics, and public policy for prominent publications, including the Wall Street Journal, Hold on here. The Nation, the American Mercury, Newsweek, and the New York Times. And he’s best known for his 1946 book, Economics in One Lesson, a work grounded in the Austrian school of economics and the importance of individual liberty and economic decision making. And this is his quote. The real solution to the problem of poverty consists in finding how to increase the employment and earning power of the poor. It’s pretty much common sense, I would say. But sometimes there’s not a lot of common sense in public policy. Because many times it’s more about control. The show does come to you because of our sponsors. One of those great sponsors is Hooters Restaurants. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great place to get together with friends for lunch or a happy hour. And how I got to know them, it is a very important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and those pesky PBIs, those politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that try to control things. So check that whole story out at my website. I’ve got a lot of this day in history, and so I will probably pepper some of these things in throughout the show. But the first thing on this day in history, and I looked to this website on this day, in 1520, Martin Luther publicly burns the Popple Edict, demanding that he recant. And his speech at the Diet of Worms, I think that’s how you say it, is also known as the Here I Stand speech, is considered one of the greatest pieces of oratory in world history. It was given in response to the council’s questions on whether Luther would stand by his doctrine or recant. His refusal to recant is a classic defense of personal freedom. And he ended the speech with this. He says, here I stand. I cannot do otherwise. God help me. Amen. So that was in 1520. In 1672, New York Governor Lovelace announces the monthly mail service between New York and Boston. monthly mail service. Here, with email, we can have instant communication. And so I thought that was pretty amazing. In 1864, General Sherman’s armies reach Savannah and a 12-day siege begins. And in 1869, Women’s suffrage or the right to vote was granted in the Wyoming Territory, was the first in the United States. And then in 1884, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain is first published in the UK and Canada and was published in the U.S. in 1885 due to a printing error. Some of the headlines, and this is a big one. And that is that Daniel Penny, you know him, the Marine veteran, was acquitted of criminally negligent homicide after a more serious manslaughter charge was dismissed. And this is from CNN. And it says a Manhattan jury found Daniel Penny not guilty Monday in the death of Jordan Neely, Jr. not guilty of criminally negligent homicide, in the death of Jordan Neely on a New York City subway last year. Penny also previously faced a more serious second-degree manslaughter charge, but Judge Maxwell Wiley dismissed it Friday at the request of prosecutors after jurors twice told the court they could not come to a verdict on the count. The article goes on to say, Penny, who is a 26-year-old former Marine, would have faced up to four years in prison for a criminally negligent homicide conviction and up to 15 years for the manslaughter conviction. There was applause in the courtroom as the not guilty verdict was read aloud. Penny locked eyes with the members of the jury that acquitted him, nodding in thanks. A smile was visible on his face. And it went on to say that for over 18 months, our client has lived under the weight of a criminal indictment, all the while guilty. guilty of nothing more than trying to protect his fellow New Yorkers from a psychotic madman with a history of violence, Penny’s attorney, Tom Kinoff, said in a statement Monday. Today, the Manhattan jury has spoken, and the misguided prosecution of Daniel Penny will go down as a sad chapter in the history of New York criminal justice. Neely’s father, who was present in the courtroom for the verdict, was escorted out of the courtroom after an audible outburst of expletives. My friends, as I have mentioned before on the show, I used to go back to New York regularly because I was in the ladies’ clothing business. And it can be very scary on a subway. And to have someone such as Jordan Neely, who apparently was making threats and here described as a madman, would be quite scary. And my understanding is he was threatening others as well. And so instead of Daniel Penny being a criminal, he was a hero. And the people that he protected, I saw on the news last night that there were those that were trying to make this all out about race. And quite frankly, it was not about race. It was about one human protecting other human beings from a very dangerous threat. human being and preventing that one from hurting everybody else. So Daniel Penny is a hero, and it is really unconscionable that they would even bring any charges. He should have received a medal instead of a… Whoops, sorry, I thought I lost you for just a minute. You should have received a medal instead of being charged for a crime. A couple of other things. As Pam Long had mentioned last week, this is a travesty that at Fort Carson here in Colorado, for our soldiers, the food is scarce and the quality is crummy. And so Pam Long has put together a list of people to contact regarding remedying this problem. And we will be sending out an email with that complete list on Thursday. So stay tuned for that. And then Josh Lowenstein was on yesterday regarding this very subtle land grab, the link issue. designation habitat which would be millions of acres and that information on who to contact he emailed that over and we will include that in the summary that Zach will publish a little bit later today so you can go to my website click on the image for today’s show the summary will come up and all of that information will will be available and next thing I wanted to mention was I Oh, OK. So, OK, we’ve got a few little technical difficulties, but I want to get to Rebecca Kelty. She is has been is no longer a candidate for House District. And Rebecca, I’m drawing a blank. Which House District is it?
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16?
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House District 16. OK, this was a real nail biter, but the recount is complete. So tell us what happened.
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Sure. Good morning. And yes, it is complete. Thank goodness. It came down to a recount. After the recount, it came down to the campus board decision on some of the ballots that had been assigned to my opponent, which shouldn’t have been because they were overvotes or bad votes where someone crossed it off. And for some reason, the machine gave it to her. And once they took those votes away, I came out ahead as the winner. So, yay.
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Okay. So the election has been certified?
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Yep, election’s been certified. The Secretary of State has announced it. We have swearing in will be on January 8th.
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I’m sorry, I missed you there on that, Rebecca. So it’s certified, and so what’s the next steps?
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The next steps will be, well, it’s been certified. The next steps really will just be the swearing in, and that happens on January 8th.
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Okay, and that’s the first day that the state legislature convenes, correct? Correct.
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Correct. Yeah. There’s one more orientation for the newbies. And on that Monday and then the 8th, we get sworn in and then we get to business. We start trying to make things better for Colorado.
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OK, well, this race is very important because this helped prevent a super majority in the House of Representatives here in Colorado, because if they had that super majority, they could ram through just about anything they wanted to. Correct.
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Correct. They still have the majority, so they still have the upper hand. But this way, you know, they’re not able to just we have a better voice at the table. You know, they have to talk to us more. You know, we have to negotiate on bills and stuff like that, although they still do. They have the majority. So really, Republicans in the state of Colorado have more work to do. Oh, my gosh. This is not the end. This is the beginning, and we’re chipping away, and we need to get to work now.
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You know, we really do. And, Rebecca, a volunteer gig that I have is I’m president of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And it’s an all-volunteer group that has, since 1976, watched legislation that is scheduled for hearings at the statehouse and then reviewed that legislation and taken positions, yes, no, or do not rate. And I need to mention this great group. They’re all volunteers. And when you see them, tell them thank you. That’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honiger, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O’Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, and Mary Jansen. And we hope as we – then what we’ll do is we will take a – we’ll create an e-mail. with those positions. And we will send that to all of the legislators and the governor and our members. And we hope that that will be a tool that will be helpful in your toolbox and other legislators’ toolboxes as you’re looking at this legislation that’s being proposed.
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Perfect. No, that’s great, because I think a lot of us need a little bit of a tool to be able to use to gauge things, too, because you get slammed with so many bills. Last year, I think they had over 700. I know. It’s an insane amount of bills. It’s a firehose type of situation, and I think something like that would definitely help.
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And so we, again, hope that’ll be a great tool in your toolbox. What’s the first thing that you want to accomplish when you get down to the statehouse, Rebecca Kelty?
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Well, I do know one of the things I would like to go back and do, and it seems like they never seem to do it, is to go back and look at some of these older bills, you know, that they passed in the last one to five, ten years. and see what they’ve broken. You know, they never go back and try to fix the things that they’ve broken. They just slam through new bills and new bills. And Colorado’s not that broken, you know what I mean? But some of the bills that they have passed have broken us. So let’s go back and see what you’ve broken and try to fix some of those things before we just start, you know, spending more money and spending more money. Let’s start cutting some of that.
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And I did see a headline that state agencies have more cash than they’re supposed to. So government, when government has more cash than it’s supposed to, that means that they’ve taken it from the people. And so we need to lower taxes and lower regulations. I’m hearing of different bills that might be coming down the pike this next legislative session that would be very onerous to personal freedom. and our rights under the Bill of Rights. So I know you’re going to have your hands full, but you’ve got some other great people to work with as well down at the Statehouse.
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Well, it’s a good thing I carry the Constitution with me pretty much everywhere I go. So we need to stick to that. If we stick to that, we can’t go wrong. And our personal freedoms and our money, let’s keep it in our pockets. There’s no better situation than allowing the people to have the money in their pockets to where they choose where they want to spend it. So governments are far too large, and that needs to be fixed.
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Well, I’m very excited about you winning this election. This is really great for House District 16, which encompasses a large portion of Colorado Springs, yes?
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It does. And you know what? I got to say, this election was an all hands on deck election. It wasn’t just a Rebecca Kelsey win. This was an entire. the state of Colorado win, and that right there should motivate everyone, every Republican in the state, that we do have a voice, we have a choice, and when we put our heads together, we can win, and that’s exactly what happened here.
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Well, that is so exciting, so I congratulate you, Rebecca Kelty, and I know you were diligent in this campaign, and way to go. Congratulations.
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Kim, thank you. And thank you for what you do.
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Absolutely. And again, Rebecca Kelty, much congratulations to her for winning that House District 16 race. And I wanted to mention another headline here. This is from the Center Square. It says, the deficit is soaring as Biden heads out the door. And As they are spending all of this money and just passing it out to cronies, basically creating money, what that does is it creates more and more inflation, which means that the dollar in your pocket is worth less. And so it’s really a silent thief. So this is from the Center Square, and it said the latest federal numbers show the U.S. deficit is soaring as President Joe Biden heads out of office. The U.S. Congressional Budget Office released its monthly budget review on Monday, which showed that in the first two months of this fiscal year, the federal government has run up a deficit of $622 billion. That amount is $242 billion more than the deficit recorded during the same period last fiscal year, the CBO said in its report. That figure means the deficit is nearly 40 percent higher than this time last year. The most alarming turkey in November was the federal government’s inability to live within its means, Maya McGinnis, president of the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget, said in a statement. We are only two months into the fiscal year and we have already borrowed a staggering $622 billion with $365 billion in the month of November alone. Deficits never surpassed $1 trillion before the COVID-19 pandemic. Since then, they remain well above $1 trillion and for this next fiscal year are well beyond the pace to surpass $1 trillion. My friends, this is not sustainable. The deficit last fiscal year was $1.8 trillion. Billionaire Elon Musk is now an advisor to President-elect Donald Trump, lamented that the debt, which is about 36 trillion on his X feed on Monday. My friends, we’ve got to get a handle on this. This is not OK. OK, we’re having some technical difficulties today, so I’m not quite sure what I’m going to do. So I think I’ll go to another headline here. And let’s see the next thing. Oh, I would watch this part of this interview last night on one of the news shows. This is from the Western Journal. And it says the NBC anchors caught deceptively altering the 14th Amendment in the Trump interview. It says NBC Meet the Press host Kristen Welker left out a key portion of the 14th Amendment when she challenged President-elect Donald Trump on his plans to end so-called birthright citizenship by executive order. In the interview, which aired Sunday, Welker asked, you promised to end birthright citizenship on day one. Is that still your plan? Yes, absolutely, Trump responded. The 14th Amendment, though, says all persons born in the United States are citizens. Can you get around the 14th Amendment with an executive action? Welker followed up. Currently, when illegal aliens have children in the country, federal policy has been to recognize them as U.S. citizens. And, well, we’re going to have to get a change, Trump answered to Welker. And she again questioned if Trump would do so through executive action. Well, if we can through executive action, Trump said. But in his Agenda 47 plan put out last year, Trump explained that he would issue an executive order on the subject that will explain the clear meaning of the 14th Amendment, that U.S. citizenship extends only to those both born in and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. So my understanding after conversations with Rob Nadelson and other reading is that in the 14th Amendment, the allegiance… of the country that the parents have. So if someone is here, either legally or illegally, but their allegiance is to another country and their children are born here, then because of that, their children really are not citizens. So this is going to be super interesting as we see what happens with that. And then another headline here that was, I thought, pretty super interesting, and that is that federal employees are scrubbing their social media accounts of any negative posts about Donald Trump as they scramble to save their jobs. Hey, if you feel strongly about something, you should have the guts to stand behind it. And it says thousands of civil servants are taking steps to protect themselves from plans to slash the number of federal employees promised by Trump and his allies, according to The Washington Post. Some federal employees are removing posts from X and Facebook, with one official who testified in Trump’s first impeachment inquiry considering filing retirement papers as others are taking steps to move to possibly safer agencies. Recruiting firms in the nation’s capital have seen an increase in business from those looking for work in the private sector. Some agencies have taken action to reclassify some jobs with titles that go against the Trump agenda, such as those including diversity, equity and inclusion, environmental justice, and those looking to address the climate crisis. Some civil servants are taking out liability insurance for the first time in case they need attorneys if they’re demoted or fired. Departing Biden administration appointees are working with labor unions to extend collective bargaining agreements securing benefits before the second Trump administration can take action to remove them. So it looks like they’re trying to sabotage a lot of the Trump agenda. And then, again, these people, if you felt strongly enough to make a statement on it, then I think that you need to stand behind it. And, okay, I think that we’re going to go to break. And so I did want to mention the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. Give them a call at 303-795 for a complimentary appointment. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I am helping you with some gift ideas for this holiday season. And a great gift would be to give the Medal of Honor quote book from the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, Colorado, on the beautiful Riverwalk. It is a lovely gift of quotes from many of our Medal of Honor recipients that will inspire you and help you to be able to sit and reflect this holiday season as well. So it is just a great gift. You can get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Danielle Jarensky, and she is a city councilwoman in Aurora. And she has been very concerned about the safety of the citizens of Aurora. And she was really the one that shed some light on some of these Venezuelan gangs that were misbehaving, we might say. So, Danielle Jarensky, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Kim. This has been ongoing and, of course, it received national attention when now President-elect Trump was on the campaign trail and came to Aurora to talk about Operation Aurora. And you set this up. I think most people know this, but you’d been contacted by… some residents in Aurora that were very concerned about gangs that had taken over their apartment building, and you realized that you needed to help those people get out of that dangerous situation.
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Yeah, that’s right. Well, this all really started back in June when it was the Venezuelan presidential election. And all of a sudden, about 5,000, it’s believed that all or most of them were Venezuelans, descended upon an area in Aurora, a Target shopping center at Mississippi and Havana that ended up spilling out into the streets and other parts of the shopping area and the intersection. And I, for the life of me, could not figure out how 5,000 people could gather in under an hour without any sort of law enforcement detection. And APD at that time wanted to paint this as just a peaceful gathering. They just want to celebrate the outcome of the Venezuelan election. But it wasn’t Multiple crimes committed, people shooting guns off in the air, a police car shot at, a Target employee assaulted. All of the liquor and alcohol in Target was completely ransacked and taken. The McDonald’s employees fled the McDonald’s because the McDonald’s was essentially taken over for the bathroom. This is when I started making a lot of noise. And it was after I started making this noise that police officers started coming to me directly and saying, Danielle, you’ve got to know the truth behind this. This isn’t just how many of them are here. You need to know who’s here. And that’s when I was told about Trendy Aragua, this notorious Venezuelan prison gang. And it just blew my mind. And officers started telling me about the calls that they were going on. And they started specifically telling me about these three apartment complexes. I rolled that back. I’m the chair of the Public Safety Committee for the city of Aurora. I went to my committee meetings and I started asking questions. And when I started asking questions, all I was told about was code enforcement violations and a slumlord. That’s all I was told about. I tried to be the voice for the officers and tell them, listen, I have officers coming to me. telling me that this is what’s going on. These are the calls they’re going to. They can’t respond to these apartment complexes without three or four officers and an armored vehicle. That doesn’t sound like code enforcement violations to me. Well, the rhetoric continued, the denying, the gaslighting, the downplaying continued. One day I get a phone call from Vicente Arenas, Fox 31 News reporter. He said, Danielle, you’ve got to come meet me. I said, oh, you know, what’s his story? And he said, you’ve got to come meet me. So I go and I meet him, and he says, hey, listen, I’ve listened to how vocal you’re becoming about this situation in Aurora with the Zender’s Leland prison gang and everything going on in these apartment complexes. He said, I’ve got to show you something. He showed me that viral video. He showed it to me. He already had it. The reason he already had it is because it’s going to be interesting. Edward Romero were so fed up, so tired of calling 911 hundreds of times and nobody coming, they started reaching out to news tip lines, to local media news desk tip lines. And Vicente Arenas followed up on it. So he said to Vicente, he said, why are you coming to me? And he said, well, Danielle, he said, I know you’ll do something about it. I know you’ll do something about it. I said, oh, my God, Vicente. So he and I made an agreement that he would not release that video footage until I had a fair chance to get the Romeros out into safety. I ended up having to get another gentleman out as well. Went in, moved them out. The viral video footage came out. The story about the Romeros came out. The rest has kind of been history unfolding before our very eyes, but it did go very viral, reached the attention of President Trump, and he came to Aurora and met with me, as well as Tom Holman and Congressman from Texas, Chip Roy.
SPEAKER 18 :
Wow. So that all happened in October, right? And Trump is taking this very seriously. What was that conversation like with all of them? And were you the only people in the room or were there other people in there as well?
SPEAKER 04 :
When I spoke with President Trump, for the most part, it was just a one-on-one between he and I. Cindy Romero did come in towards the end just to tell him a part of her story. and uh with tom with tom holman and chip roy uh they came into aurora and we kind of had an aurora round table warren bobert was at the table one of my colleagues cindy romero was at the table and we had a conversation about this um they of course wanted to make it more national i naturally wanted to make it all about aurora um but the conversation was great and it was much needed. I did speak to Tom Holman one on one. I did speak to Chip Roy one on one. Chip Roy, when he was in town, he and I did a national Fox News interview together side by side. So, you know, conversations are happening. And as you can see, you know, as far as I’m concerned, President Trump’s term started the day after he was elected. So his term started last month, as far as I’m concerned, with everything you’re seeing going on.
SPEAKER 18 :
So how is it that Aurora got all of these Venezuela gang members? Is it because Denver is a sanctuary city? But how did Aurora get the gang members?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I mean, it really, it does center around Denver being a sanctuary city. And as you saw, right, as we saw, and you can’t really fault Governor Abbott. All of these folks coming across the border, he was not allowed to secure the border. We had wide open borders. Well, it was just too many. So Governor Abbott started busing them to New York, Chicago, Denver, all of these major cities across the country that came out and said, we love migrants, we support migrants, migrants are welcome here. So Governor Abbott said, here you go, and started sending them by the busload. Well, what Denver turned around and did is they funneled a whole— The city of Denver and the state of Colorado, because the state of Colorado created what is called an office of newcomers, state office of newcomers, something along those lines. And all of this money was funneled into NGOs. These NGOs then took it upon themselves to start housing and putting these folks in apartment complexes themselves. in Aurora. There is some gray area. You know, you see, I don’t know if you’ve seen, but I’m really going after these NGOs. I’m going after Denver. I’m going after the state. We have multiple core requests out because I want to track this down because it is my understanding that there’s really a lot of misclarity here. These apartment complexes were told that these folks had jobs. They were told, you know, different things and the help that they were going to be provided. When, in fact, that wasn’t the case. As soon as the NGOs placed these people, they essentially bailed. But, yes, it is out of the city of Denver. It is nonprofits, NGOs out of the city of Denver that placed all of these folks in Aurora.
SPEAKER 18 :
Can you name some of these NGOs, these non-governmental agencies that are being paid government money to do the bidding of the government?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the main one is Vive Wellness. That is the main one. Folks have some eyes on Village Exchange. Not sure about that one yet. Not sure about that one yet. Vive Wellness. And the other one, there’s a second one. I’ve spoken all about it, and now I’m drawing a blank. There are two. There are two. Oh, Papagayo. Papagayo. Papagayo and Vive Wellness.
SPEAKER 18 :
And so they’re receiving government grant money to locate these people in Aurora, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I don’t know that they still are, but this is what they did. I don’t know if they’re still receiving funding. I don’t know if they’re still placing people. My guess, Kim, is nobody wants to come anywhere near Aurora at this point anymore, with me lurking over here.
SPEAKER 18 :
When you say no one wants to come, you mean any of the Venezuelan gangs or placing migrants in Aurora, right? Is that what you mean?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, any of the NGOs, Mike Johnson, Jared Polis, any of the Venezuelan migrants. I don’t think anybody wants to come near Aurora and pick that fight.
SPEAKER 18 :
So one voice, one woman, one voice. It is amazing what you have done here. What about I know that when this was all breaking, that Jared Polis and the governor of Colorado, the governor or the mayor of Aurora, they were trying to downplay this because it does give Aurora a black eye. And so tell us where that where where’s all that now?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, everybody right now, I mean, everybody’s become pretty quiet. You don’t hear the governor trying to deny it in the way that he was. But he did. He came out ferociously. He said that this was a feature, I quote, a feature of my imagination. And Mayor Kaufman, it’s unfortunate that he did flip-flop several times.
SPEAKER 18 :
And so you said that, Jared Polis said that this whole Venezuelan gang thing was a feature of your imagination. And then Mayor Kaufman, what was his reaction?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Mayor Kaufman, you know, it’s gone back and forth with him a couple times, which is unfortunate. He has flip-flopped his stance. But he knows the truth. He ultimately knows the truth. I think he’s just trying to figure out, you know, right now how to do some damage control in the city of Aurora because it has brought a black eye. But I can tell you, I refuse to remain silent for an image. I refuse. Not while people are suffering and being raped and sex trafficked and murdered, fingers chopped off and people kidnapped and… I refuse to remain silent to protect an image.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, so things are changing in Aurora as far as getting this whole thing, I think, cleaned up, if you will. So what about Trump’s Operation Aurora? What is that exactly? I imagine it’s the national program, but being the great marketer that he is, since this Venezuelan gang thing really, the story broke in Aurora, then he’s calling it Operation Aurora. So tell us about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, can I, and I’m going to remain consistent here, I’m not going to comment on that a whole lot because I don’t know. I don’t know. I had a conversation with President Trump. I’ve had a conversation with Tom Holman. But I don’t know what Operation Aurora really means. I believe help is on the way. I believe that wholeheartedly. But I’m not going to really comment on that. how operation is going to play out because I don’t know.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. Fair enough. Now, you’re the chair of, like, the Public Safety Committee or something there in Aurora, right? Correct. Okay. Are you getting – well, I saw a report that at the November meeting you said that things are going to be changing in Aurora regarding these Venezuelan gang members coming into Aurora. Are you getting support, pushback from your fellow council members, the chief of police? What’s the temperature of everybody there?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I’d say it’s about 50-50, to be honest with you. You know, I’d say it’s about 50-50 because, no, it’s really we’re trying to expect the unknown. And so nobody really knows what any of this means. But, you know, what is concerning to me is it seems like I am the only one who has any sort of contact and have had any contact with the incoming administration. You know, it is no secret that Mike Kaufman and President Trump are got into a big fight a few years back. They both came out against each other publicly. So it’s unfortunate that the mayor isn’t at the helm of all of this. And I’m trying to deal with it. But, you know, there is support there. But like I said, right now, we’re all just kind of in a mode where we’re just batting down the hatches and waiting to see what’s coming.
SPEAKER 18 :
Do you think that you’ve said with you being so vocal about this, and I think I saw a headline that they’re going to close these apartment buildings that had been overtaken by Venezuelan gangs. That doesn’t seem like the answer. Are they going to close them, clean them up, and then the owner can re-rent them? Do you know about that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, this has been a big old game, Kim. This all started in July. The city went in and abated, shut down Nome. The Nome Street Apartments, due to living conditions, this was the whole slumlord narrative. Unfortunately, the gang was not addressed at that time, so they went and shoved themselves further into the Whispering Pine Complex and the Dallas Street Apartments. Some of the ownership agreed to turn the Whispering Pines over to court receivership, so it is back in control of the bank. I pretty much, working with the receiver, have Whispering Pines under control and in a much more peaceful environment. The Dallas Street Apartments, it’s six different buildings. I’m sorry, five different buildings owned by different folks. One of the buildings went into court receivership, same court receivership that Whispering Pines is under. The other five buildings, the owners are refusing to turn it over to the bank, turn it over to court receivership. So the city has decided for those other four buildings to criminally nuisance them, and the property owners are not pushing back on that because they want the building shut down. They want these people thrown out so that they can regain their property.
SPEAKER 18 :
So forcing these apartment building owners into receivership means that they would lose their property, yes? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. Well, correct. For the time being, I don’t know what the deals are on the other side. Once these complexes get under control, I don’t know. I don’t know. And I and I again, I’m going to remain consistent on that. That’s not something that I will comment on. But, you know, the city. The city is going to go ahead and shut down these remaining four buildings. I don’t know where all of these people have gone. The migrants have pretty much well packed themselves into these remaining buildings. So we’re going to have nonprofits come out screaming and yelling. You know, this is going to be really, really something, really something. And you know what? I am just on the countdown six weeks from today, President Trump’s first second. And we will see. We will all learn together what this means.
SPEAKER 18 :
And one other thing regarding the migrants, these Venezuelan gangs, my understanding is typically they prey upon people that are here illegally because that have come here, well, that are not part of the Venezuelan gang. Let’s just put it that way. So they prey on those that are here that don’t want to be doing additional crimes other than coming across the border illegally. But they prey upon these people. And these people, since they are here illegally, are reticent to report it. And so it makes it very, very dangerous. It’s not compassionate to bring people here illegally and put them into this position.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it’s terrible. It started out as they were preying upon Americans, kicking their doors and throwing them out of their apartment complexes, beating up the staff, holding them at gunpoint, telling them they wouldn’t return at work. But then once they gained control of the complexes, you’re right. They very quickly turned their crime spree onto other migrants that are here also illegally because a couple reasons. They’re easier targets, and they’re very scared. They are very scared to call 911 themselves.
SPEAKER 18 :
Wow. Okay, Danielle Cherinsky, we have just about a minute left. Throughout history, there are people that saw a wrong and they stepped forward to make it right. And that is, I think, really the human spirit. And I imagine you never thought that you would be in this position, but you’re doing the right thing. And as my dad always said to me, there’s never a wrong time to do the right thing. So what’s your final thoughts you’d like to leave with our listeners?
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. All I can say through all of this is through all of the attacks, the smear stories, the lying, the gaslighting, the denying, trying to make me out to be a crazy person. I have no regrets. I have no regrets. I’ve met these people personally. I’ve held them. You know, we’ve cried together. Their stories are real. This goes so far behind. And Kim, on your show, I want to say this specifically to Republicans. I am so far beyond their status. I am so far beyond their status because I have witnessed actual human suffering, actual human suffering. That is where we are at. We are not at whether these people are here illegally or not illegally. We have allowed actual real third world countries suffering on American soil. And everyone sat by, everyone sat by and did nothing. So I went in alone. But I’ll tell you, I have no regrets, Kim, and that’s what I have to leave you with.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, my gosh. Danielle Jurinsky, I just got chills on that. Thank you so much for taking the time to share this. This is so important. And, Danielle Jurinsky, I’ve got to think that from a public policy standpoint, there are much bigger things on the horizon for you. So thank you. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Kim. Have a wonderful day.
SPEAKER 18 :
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SPEAKER 18 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And we’ve had a morning of technical difficulties, and so thank you for hanging with us here. I wanted to make sure that I say thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is because of these sponsors that are independent voices on the air. But we’ve had technical difficulties. I tell you, Joe, you’ve got such a great attitude. Even when everything is falling apart, you don’t fall apart. And I so appreciate that about you. It’s my pleasure.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was always just taught that things are going to go worse if you just panic.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, it’s been a morning. We have four stations here at Crawford Broadcasting out of these studios, and all of them went down. So Amanda was working diligently. Apparently, there was some kind of a computer update, which that update made everything break, at least for a little bit. She got it fixed and But that meant that all of the timing was a little wonky, and so thank you for hanging with us on all of that. And we did prerecord that segment with Danielle Jurinsky because the hours of the show live don’t work for her and her schedule, but I thought it was so important to get her story to all of you, and so I really thank her for making herself available to make all of that happen. In the second hour, we’re going to be going through our… book review of Economics in One Lesson. And Producer Joe and Susan Kochavar and Yvonne Paez will be weighing in on our little roundtable. Producer Luke is under the weather, so he will not be joining us. So stay tuned for that. And one of the chapters is on unions. And I thought, oh, this is going to be kind of dry. I thought it was really super interesting. So you’ll want to hear that. And we’ll talk to John Boson as well in this next hour. So our quote for the end of the show, since we’re Reading Henry Hazlitt’s book, Economics in One Lesson, is from Henry Hazlitt. And he said this. He said, So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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SPEAKER 11 :
It’s the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
SPEAKER 18 :
That seems to me like government is establishing a religion. If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights. Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
SPEAKER 11 :
Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
SPEAKER 18 :
Indeed, let’s have a conversation. Welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. You’ve had a morning, Producer Joe, and you are still smiling. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s definitely my pleasure. It’s still fun to try and figure out all the problem solving of it all.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s never boring, is it?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, ma’am, it’s not.
SPEAKER 18 :
OK, let’s get into the details here. Check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays. Although this week we will send out one extra one and that will be on Thursday with all of the information on who to contact to contact. basically demand that they get this food situation lined around down at Fort Carson here in Colorado for our soldiers. Apparently there’s food scarcity, the quality can be crummy, and that is unconscionable. We’ve sent $175 billion to Ukraine. Biden promised a billion dollars to Africa, and they are only spending $5 million on food for our soldiers at Fort Carson while they’re taking out $22 million of their pay. Something is wrong with this picture, and it needs to be fixed. And so we’re going to have all of that contact information in that email that will go out on Thursday. So make sure that you’re signed up for that. And you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. The text line is 720-605-0647. That’s again 720-605-0647. And let’s see here. Oh. Colonel Rutledge said that he thought it would be a good idea if we let you all know where you can find us. And so 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday, we’re live. Our first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour is rebroadcast 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ 560 platforms. So that’s KLZ 560 a.m. KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website and the KLZ app. And then once the shows are published, you can also stream them on Spotify and iTunes as well. And as you know, we focus on searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. And our America’s Veterans Story Show is on Sunday afternoons, 3 to 4 p.m., again on all KLZ 5 platforms. And then there are rebroadcasts each Saturday and Sunday evening, 10 to 11 p.m. as well. Our word of the day is ostensible. And it is spelled O-S-T-E-N-S-I-B-L-E. And it is basically appearing or claiming to be one thing when it is really something else. So the Green New Deal is claiming that it’s trying to protect Americans the planet from climate change when, in essence, the Green New Deal is about the green that is going into PBI’s pockets. Our quote of the show, quote of the day, is from Henry Hazlitt because producer Joe and Susan Kojabar and Yvonne Paez are going to be reviewing a couple of the chapters from Henry Hazlitt’s book, Economics in One Lesson. And Hazlitt said this. He said, the real solution to the problem of poverty consists in finding how to increase the employment and earning power of the poor. It’s kind of like you think. And I wonder what John Boson with Boson Law thinks about that. John Boson, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 03 :
How are you doing? Good morning.
SPEAKER 18 :
I do think that if the poor got was employed and they continue to earn more money, that might eliminate poverty. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, it kind of makes sense, kind of like one and one equals two, not three, but two. Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
I think so. I think so. So we’re in the holiday season, and things happen. And I actually got a little unfocused the other day when I was driving, and I thought of John Boson. He says, you know, stay focused, stay focused. And so I’m glad that I had that in my brain because of our conversations.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that and I had the pleasure of driving home last night on a sheet of ice, and it’s just slowing down. I was on I-25 going southbound, going literally about 35 miles an hour, and cars were going by me going 60, 65, and then everything came to a halt. I didn’t see an accident. I saw three very close calls and then about another mile down the road, there was a four-car pileup and just folks going too fast sometimes. I mean, last night was a perfect example. It wasn’t slippery until it was, and then it was incredibly slick. So it’s slow down, common sense.
SPEAKER 18 :
Common sense. John Boson, I know that you share dad-isms with your kids, and my father would share dad-isms with me as well, and he would say that. He would say, slow down. If you’re involved in an accident, it will really slow you down. You’ll have the expense to get your car fixed. And these days, a delay in being able to get your car fixed. So just a couple of extra minutes can save you days, actually, if you just use a little common sense.
SPEAKER 03 :
Days or weeks, depending on how much damage is done to that car that you don’t have access to and use of. So, yeah, I mean, Kim, we’ve had this conversation. Common sense cures a lot of things. um but if you don’t got it you don’t got it but can you develop it i think you can and it’s just you know looking at situations observing and what’s the smart thing to do for example last night yeah slow down just slow down it just makes sense if though something happens and someone is injured what should they do and again um i really do not want to represent listeners But stuff happens to everybody. But if something happens to a friend, a neighbor, a coworker, hopefully not a loved one or yourselves out there, folks listening, but the important thing is to get advice early. Time is always of the essence. First thing you want to do if it’s a physical injury you’ve sustained, get in, get checked out by a doctor. The next thing to do, give me a call so we can talk about what happened, why it happened. If it should not have happened, and then that advice I give on the front end of a potential claim is super valuable. Number to call for that consultation. And if it’s not me, it’ll be one of our other senior lawyers that’s available. That number is 303-999-9999.
SPEAKER 18 :
So, John Bosen, just a clarification. You said that you did not want to represent my listeners. I think because you’re meaning you don’t want to have something happen to them where they’ve been injured.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just don’t want anything to happen to folks, especially Kim Munson’s show listeners.
SPEAKER 18 :
But if it does happen, they should call you, yes?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. We’ll clarify that if someone didn’t understand that. Yeah. Yeah. A call early on, and I have hundreds of examples of things, not so good things, that happened to folks that waited that was unnecessary. So call me soon. Don’t wait. 303-999-9999.
SPEAKER 18 :
Again, that’s John Bosen with Bosen Law. And any accident, it could be a work-related accident as well, be sure and give them a call at 303-999-9999. John Bosen, we’ll talk with you next week.
SPEAKER 03 :
Kim, have a great rest of your show.
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SPEAKER 18 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I do thank the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. We will be starting our seventh year in solo broadcasting at the beginning of the year. And the Harris family has been with us from just about day one on the Kim Munson show. So I thank them for that. And then it’s been wonky today, my friends, with some technical difficulties in our number one. I want to make sure that I mention the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation. It’s a nonprofit that I love, I support. Paula Sarles is the president, and she is a Gold Star wife, a Marine veteran, and she and her team are working diligently to raise the money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial. And there will be these pathways of service with these different bricks on it, and you can buy a brick to honor your loved one’s military service and receive a beautiful certificate for that that can be hung on the wall were displayed and it is a lovely gift and so check all that out at usmcmemorialfoundation.org that is usmcmemorialfoundation.org and also wanted to mention the climateconversation.com that is where you can watch a climate conversation which is a very important documentary it’s the project of walt johnson And you can watch it for free. And then we are creating these amazing informational podcasts with experts and scientists. And you can find all that at climateconversation.com. So it is time for a book review. And Producer Joe, are you ready for Economics in One Lesson?
SPEAKER 08 :
I sure hope so.
SPEAKER 18 :
We’ll find out, huh? This is going to be a test. And Producer Luke is under the weather. So we have invited both Susan Kochevar. You know her. She’s an entrepreneur and owner of 88 Drive-In Theater, a sponsor of the show. And she’s on the line. Susan Kochevar, welcome. Thank you. Good morning. And Yvonne Paez is a co-founder of Perspectives 101, which is a civics group up in northern Colorado that she’s put together just to keep people informed on key issues. Yvonne, welcome to the show. Thank you, Kim, and good morning. Okay. So, Joe, let’s begin here. And our two subjects, we’re on now Chapter 20 and 21. And Chapter 20 is, do unions really raise wages? And Hazlitt says this. He says, the belief that labor unions can substantially raise real wages over the long run and for the whole working population is one of the great delusions of the present age. The delusion is mainly the result of failure to recognize that wages are basically determined by labor productivity. So, Joe, I’ll go to you first. Any 30,000-foot view, comments regarding this chapter on unions?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, one of the big things that I kind of noticed in this is with unions and forced regulations, if you would, it kind of inspires like leaders of companies and whatnot to possibly pay them a lower amount just to get away with sitting in the range because now they’re forced to pay higher than what they may be able to incur in the net.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. So, Susan, I’ll go to you. I think that Joe may be alluding to this idea that – Joe, help me – but I think with young people, they’ve been taught that – Business owners are greedy and they’re mean and that they want to pay the very minimum that they can to their workers. And so what would you say to them? Am I kind of getting what you were saying, Joe? Yes, no?
SPEAKER 08 :
Pretty close, but with forced regulation, companies that may be smaller, like, say, the 88 drive-in, they can’t do it the same as a big corporate company. So the corporate company can incur some of those hits from having a forced amount that they have to pay to all their employees and the forced extra regulations that happen, whereas someone smaller down…
SPEAKER 18 :
can’t quite do that but because there’s regulations in place it’s based along the board for everybody and it kind of screws up the system okay so you’re saying that it thank you for clarifying so you’re saying that it makes it more difficult for your smaller entrepreneurs because they may not be able to absorb those costs am i getting that exactly okay susan your comments on that
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think that’s exactly right. I think it also depends on the kind of products or services that you’re providing. We’re a little drive-in movie theater. If I raise my prices too high, people have disposable income. They just won’t come. They’ll find something else to do. And I’m not very big. Joe’s correct. I can’t absorb all of those prices and spread it around a lot of people or a lot of products or services. We have one. We have movie tickets and we sell food. So I think he’s right about that.
SPEAKER 18 :
So, Susan, I was thinking about you the other day because I was driving down the street in my neighborhood and the… was providing a movie night, possibly at the art center, or in the summer sometimes they have a movie in the park that they will provide. And I was thinking, huh, now I’m not going to partake of that, but yet tax dollars are being used to provide that, and it’s also using tax dollars to provide a service to that private enterprise provides, but they’re providing it possibly for free, well, I put that in air quotes, and competing with our private enterprise. And that’s why the proper role of government is so important for us to remember, Susan.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. I see that in more and more communities. And sometimes those groups don’t even buy the rights to the film. So if I see that a community nearby is playing a Disney film, I can call Disney and check. And a lot of times they’re ordered to cease and desist because they just think it’s a good idea. They don’t have any idea of property rights. and they just offer the program. And, yes, that does really heavily compete with me, especially now. You know, I bring in brand-new movies, but sometimes I’ll bring in an older movie with that, and you’ve got the community playing this older movie. It makes it more difficult for me, even though I’m paying top dollar and I’m paying for the intellectual property rights for those films.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. Yvonne Paez, why don’t you weigh in on this?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, since we’re talking about unions and how they may artificially want to help with the pricing based on maybe this younger population that thinks that companies are out to get people and they’ve got all this money and it’s really they’re just not giving it to the employees. I think we probably should put that in proper perspective and just remind people that Companies and businesses, small and large, often run on really tight margins. And I know a little bit about this because I have been working with the group that analyzes and talks about some of the larger companies like the Targets, the Walmarts, the Macy’s, things like that, and how shoplifting affects them. Not that we’re talking about shoplifting, but it highlights and they talk a lot about how thin some of those profit margins are. And when people shoplift, then that causes them not to be able to pay their employees and maybe they’d have to work with one less, et cetera. So I just want to throw that into the equation that, no, these companies, small and large, aren’t just making money hand over fist and deciding to keep it all and not pass it on to their customers. employees, they often have tight profit margins. And just like Susan said, in her business, where she has employees as well, if she were to raise the prices for the employees, at some point, she can’t continue to be in business because the profit margin is just not there at all. And if she passed that on to the consumer by raising the price so she could pay her her people more than others like she said there’s right especially now with the inflation there’s less disposable income people would just say well i just have to cut out going to the movies from what i like to do so we have to see that all of this is connected i think that’s a really really important point
SPEAKER 18 :
So, Producer Joe, you’re a young guy, and I feel that our young people are really getting squeezed with government-induced inflation and, again, this headline with Joe Biden going out the door, doling out all this money. to his cronies, ultimately that creates inflation, which reduces buying power. It’s a silent thief. But the taxes that are being taken out of your paycheck, let’s just think about that. If we could reduce those taxes that are being taken out of your paycheck, because government is the greediest, I think, of them all. The Marxists like to say that it’s, oh, it’s that business owner that’s so greedy. Oh, no, no, no. It’s government. So if we could reduce those taxes, what’s being taken out of your paycheck, that would be very helpful, yes?
SPEAKER 08 :
that would absolutely be helpful. And I actually have an extra point with that too. I think the bigger thing that I really am nervous about, and it’s kind of like protect yourself before you let someone else protect you. You know what I mean? Um, when a big company say has those losses it it’s a smaller impact it doesn’t impact someone’s entire livelihood i think that’s the difference for the employee because if that employee gets a say a decrease in their wages now they’re gonna struggle for eating and feeding their family
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. And so this idea then the unions swoop in and say that they’re going to assure that their workers get a certain wage. But ultimately, Yvonne, they’re focused on wages. They’re not focused on productivity. And as people become more productive – That increases the economy. The pie gets bigger. But I think unions are more about control. And ultimately, what Hazlitt said in Chapter 20 of do unions really raise wages is ultimately it can lead to unemployment for others as they’re doing these forced wages that unions are negotiating for, Yvonne.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and I think we need to keep our eye on the facts of what were the unions really created to do in the first place all these decades ago. And as the book says, their central function is that they serve to improve local working conditions. Remember when people were too young to work or some of the working conditions were dangerous and stuff. They had a real… function, to help bring safety into the workplace and a lot of those other things. But they kind of took it on as an additional duty to decide to be the economist and say, oh, you just need to pay more because I want you to, without any understanding of the delicate balance, the delicate economic balance that ties everything together.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, that’s a great point, Yvonne. Okay, Joe, you have a comment?
SPEAKER 08 :
And I also think at that time when they became the economists, they started worrying about how long was someone in the union, not how good is their work. Are they worth the level that they’re at?
SPEAKER 18 :
And I think, Susan, Joe is hitting on a very important point, is with unions, instead of meritocracy, it could be seniority. You see that with the teachers’ unions. And so it doesn’t strive for excellence. It strives for mediocrity instead of merit. Your thoughts, Susan?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of that. I mean, I think Yvonne’s right. In the beginning, unions were about, you know, they’d get people in, they’d teach them a trade, they’d make sure if you hired somebody from the union, it was the highest quality. You had some of that. But, you know, all things evolve, and it… turned into something that it just should never have been. And now you’re right. What happens is the people who have been in the union the longest get seniority, they get the best jobs, all that stuff, and it’s not tied necessarily to quality. And I can tell you as a business owner, I had to – I was hiring plumbers, and we’d have them come in and do some work. And then my favorite plumbing company, I called them, and they wouldn’t come at 3 o’clock in the afternoon unless they charged me double because that was the new union rule. And so I just couldn’t use my favorite plumbing company anymore because they had voted to go union. So when you look at – So they didn’t get your business. No, they didn’t get my business. And so when I have to look out into the real world and see what actually happens, that’s not good. And I did work for a company one time, a grocery store that had a union. And when I was working, there’s two different companies. levels of unions in the store and the different levels would fight. And it made it very difficult to get work done. It just, it really created an unhappy work environment.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and to your point, there was a time for unions, and it was important regarding working conditions. But many times, Yvonne, with something that’s a good idea, you get government or you get force involved, and it can become a bad idea. So Yvonne, and then Joe, and then we’ll go to break. Yvonne?
SPEAKER 05 :
And what happens is they just, lose sight of their original mission and, you know, like anything else, power. So they feel, well, if I started out by doing this and now I’m in there, I can do this and now I can do something else. And that’s when they decided, you know, they can start deciding, you know, what prices ought to be without truly understanding what things cost. So it’s kind of a cause of getting a little big for their britches, shall we say. And then, you know, there’s also they’re involved in whether sometimes whether people strike or not. And that’ll be another thing we can talk about here in a minute. So let’s go to Joe.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, Joe. I also want to mention what it does to the non-unionized workers. So the union can’t employ everybody. So now all these other workers who want to get into that area work extra hard to hopefully get into that area. But that area is used up and the tax dollars are just gone now. Or the wages are gone. And the people who believe in the hard work and giving a good product now are kind of sitting around trying to figure out how to do the best they can while they’re feeling kind of slighted.
SPEAKER 18 :
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SPEAKER 18 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And over Christmas break, I would recommend that you put the family in the car and visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there are four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. And Drew Dix, Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War. And Brad Padula, who is a Emmy Award winning documentary maker, are the co-founders. And they have created just a very special place with these portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients. And then also created a great quote book as well, which is a lovely gift. You can get all that information about the center by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And Yvonne Paez, before we get to that, you and I were down at an On Values presentation several months ago at the center, and then we ended up walking on the beautiful Riverwalk as well. The center’s pretty special, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 05 :
It is amazing. First of all, since you talked about it for so long, I couldn’t wait to get down there. And when I did, I was just flabbergasted. You walk in, and then there’s Portraits of Valor, which are these pictures of these Medal of Honor winners. And then you can see them. You can see their quotes. And what you don’t know is it’s like a little mini cinema. And if you see one that really, really touches your heart, you can ask the staff, can you pull the video on that guy? And you can actually see about the one person that you want to. It’s so special. And there’s so much to see and do there.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and it is. It really is. So be sure and check out AmericanValueCenter.org for more information. Yvonne, before we went to break, we’re talking about unions regarding the chapter in Economics in One Lesson. And you mentioned strike, and we’ve heard of union strikes. So what did you want to say about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, what I want to say is that for the most part, Strikes should be avoided because it causes problems all around, obviously for the people consuming the products, for the people that aren’t working, for the employers who don’t have their workers working and they’re missing production, et cetera. So strikes should be very, very last resorty. But just so we know and understand, there is a time and a place for a strike, and that is when you really are trying to speak to somebody about something and there really is an issue. and they’re not listening so i just i don’t want anybody to lump strikes into always bad but they should be rarely used and used only when necessary and i would say that is pretty similar to when we speak up in our communities if something is not right i mean we don’t need to be at city council complaining about every single decision they make and everything just speaking up all the time you know this cry wolf thing But, you know, when time comes, when you start getting a bill for trash, when you don’t even receive that trash service or something, okay, it’s time to speak up now because, you know, sometimes cities or whatever go a little too far. So just know when it’s time to speak up.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and you’re referring to Fort Collins and their situation where the city has determined that there is one trash hauler that is the preferred trash hauler. And saying, yes, there can be competition, but if you use the competition, you pay the competition, and also you have to pay a fee to the city for not using their preferred trash hauler. It’s like, what’s wrong with that picture, Yvonne?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, from your first hour, you were talking about the problems in Aurora. It sounds a lot like, you know, these guys coming and knocking on the door and saying, you owe me money. And you go, wait, I pay the landlord. Well, that’s the landlord. You need to pay me, too. I mean, it just does not sound good at all. Susan, what do you think about that?
SPEAKER 06 :
I would agree with Yvonne. That top-down control just doesn’t work. And it’s the same thing we see with unions.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and Gammy had texted this in. She said that unions have become socialist Marxist tools. They use control. And what started out as possibly a way to protect workers is now like the workers of the world unite. And so it really has moved into unions can be very, very Marxist. And here in Colorado, unions, the unionization of I think municipal workers was approved. Maybe it was county was approved last year by the state legislature. I need to get the exact details. So I apologize. Exactly what that is. But that’s a very bad idea. Even FDR. Right. A progressive president realized that it was not a good idea to have public unions because people that are being paid by tax dollars then are organizing to get more money from the taxpayers, which means that we get squeezed more and more. Joe, your thoughts?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I just want to point out as well is like once one union is affected, all the rest of them get affected as well. Because now the other ones are going to be like, oh, well, you know, they got this. So we want this too. And now you’re just increasing it across the board. And it just becomes kind of fixed to where that the small business can’t even operate too well. Yep. That’s an excellent point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Go ahead, Yvonne. It’s known as setting precedent, and then that just kind of builds off of that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. So let’s get over here to Chapter 21, Enough to Buy Back the Product. And Susan, I’m going to go to you on this. It says the initial paragraph is amateur writers on economics are always asking for just prices and just wages. These nebulous conceptions of economic justice come down to us from medieval times. The classical economists worked out and said a different concept, the concept of functional prices and functional wages. And functional prices are those that encourage the largest volume of production and the largest volume of sales. And functional wages are those that tend to bring about the highest volume of employment and the largest real payrolls. I think that kind of sums it up. Susan, what do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think it does really well. And I wonder how they would apply that. Say you’re employing people to make yachts, so you’re supposed to pay each person enough to buy a yacht, when those are essentially trades. One person comes in and does all the plumbing, and one person comes in and does all the wood. So it’s kind of a silly and oversimplistic way to look at employment and businesses, I think. You know, my people are my very best asset, and I cannot do every single job myself. So I want the best people, and I’ll pay them as much as I can so that I get the best quality work. And I have to offer prices to the customer that both pay the employee the expenses and allow for profit, but it also has to be a price that the customer can and is willing to pay for my product.
SPEAKER 18 :
Excellent point. And while you were saying that, I was thinking about, I think, something, Joe, that a lot of young people, well, and older, I hate to call it liberal, because this whole… All these different words, a liberal classical education was an education founded on the principles of all men are created equal, rise from God, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So these words get all co-opted, and I think that’s by design. So those on the left, let’s say that they like to make the argument that so somebody is successful and they’ve created a business and they’ve been successful. If you if you create a product and people will trade their hard earned dollars for that, that’s great. Hopefully you’ll make a profit. And if a lot of people think that your product will benefit them and a lot of people buy it, you’ll get wealthy. And what I’ve seen is then this kind of over the shoulder, people looking at like a Jeff Bezos and say, well, he doesn’t need he doesn’t need all that money. And so he should give some of that money away to people that don’t have money. And. I’m looking at that and I’m thinking, well, I don’t think that people should have a right to have a claim on the money that he has earned. And they say, well, he doesn’t need that yacht. He doesn’t need that extra house. But somebody wealthy, when they build that extra house or they have that yacht, to what Susan was alluding to, is it gives people jobs, the workers jobs. the plumbers. It creates jobs for people, and so they trade value for value. So instead of giving his money away, he is creating value in the things that he might be buying or investing in. Joe, your thoughts?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think the thing that, well, and I’m speaking for me, but I think a lot of people feel similarly as me, but I think the increase in regulations upon us, the little guys, wow, he’s kind of getting away with maybe breaking a bunch of regulations that could have been put in place to protect us, but now they kind of do the opposite and hurt us. And I think we see those multi-billionaire people kind of doing that and i think we just kind of overlook what is the actual true cause it’s forced taxation and regulation
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and to your point, many times that the rules are different for different people. Can you say Hunter Biden and Tina Peters? The rules are different on the and what you’re saying is a young person. And this is in America. The rules are supposed to be uniform and affect everyone differently. The same.
SPEAKER 08 :
And Hunter Biden should have gone to jail because he broke laws. I would have gone to jail for that same thing. But here we are. He gets a full pardon on 10 years worth of what could have happened. That’s not fair in any way, shape and form.
SPEAKER 18 :
So, Yvonne, I’ll go to you. And what Joe is saying, and I think a lot of young people are concerned about, and that is cronyism, where big business and government get into – big business and big government basically get in bed together, and they create crony special deals. And our young people look at that, and they say, that’s not fair. And they know inherently something is wrong with that, Yvonne.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. So it’s not fair, right? to interfere or meddle with the economy, right? Because that’s what causes the problem. So it’s not the people who have big businesses or small businesses or that. We have to understand that an economy is kind of an independent, breathing, living thing. Like human nature, it has a nature of its own, a balance, an equilibrium. And if we interfere or meddle with it, we break it. And so that’s what the cronyism is, is interfering and meddling with it that causes these kinds of problems.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think that is an excellent point. And Joe? And it’s typically done through force. Force regulations, force legislations, and force taxation.
SPEAKER 18 :
Boy, that word force. We talk about that a lot on this show, don’t we, Producer Joe? So let’s continue the discussion when we come back with Producer Joe and Yvonne Paez and Susan Kochavar. These are great discussions, and it comes to you because of our sponsors. And for everything mortgages, Lorne Levy, he can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Check out the… USMC Memorial Foundation’s website. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And you can get all kinds of information about the remodel. And also check out their Buy a Brick program, which is a lovely gift to honor your loved one’s military service. And they’ll receive a beautiful certificate. And then when the remodel is complete, certainly we’ll have a brick on one of the pathways of service. You can get more information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And these are always great discussions regarding this book, Economics in One Lesson. And Producer Joe, I so appreciate you, as a young person, your willingness to look at these ideas and kick the tires on these ideas, which is so important. And so I thank you for that.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s my pleasure. My dad always told me, you’re never going to get the hard stuff done if you just walk around it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, I love that. I’ve never heard that one. So let’s summarize. And I’ve got Susan Kochevar and Yvonne Paez on the line first. Joe, let’s go to you on these two chapters regarding unions and the other is to make enough money to buy back the product. What’s kind of your takeaway you’d like to leave with people?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think the harder we work to make it even and stop worrying about our productivity and our quality of product, the worse off we’re going to get. And I think we should just start going back to the full free market idea with… semblance of protection and maybe how is the building placed like maybe these conditions are kind of the bare minimum i can get with that but regulating our what we have to pay everybody and whatnot it’s just creating a bigger fallacy in the system wow susan what do you what’s your comments on on this
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I would agree completely with Joe. It’s not a top-down sort of thing that, you know, everybody needs to build their own skills, realize you really work for yourself no matter what job you do, and, you know, learn to advocate and negotiate for yourself. I think if we could teach our young people one thing, that would be how to negotiate and build your skills and build your worth, that you really are your own small business and you don’t need somebody to control your life and do all that stuff for you.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and if Susan – Susan, if people work hard and show up on time and are willing to learn and be better, which makes the business more productive, which makes it more profitable – Then that, as you say, I love this, that you are your own small business. So instead of looking at your employer as the enemy, look at it as a partnership to work together. And as one is successful, the other will be successful, Susan.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, and you can’t make everything a complete playing field and make everything fair. It never works that way. And you can’t really expect life to be fair. Are you going to work for people that aren’t good employers? Yes, you are. That’s where you build your skills and you go find somebody else you want to contract with for your labor. and talent. That’s how that works. But the idea that you’re going to make everything fair for wages and how long you’ve been doing a job, it squashes productivity, it squashes ingenuity, and it’s not possible.
SPEAKER 18 :
Thanks, Susan Kochevar. Yvonne, somebody told me that the only fair in life is the county fair and the state fair. So what do you think about that? Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and the only certainty is death and taxes, right? Got it. You’re right. But, yeah, you know, whoever invented that little saying of making enough to buy the product, it’s probably not half the time it’s not even a product you want to own. Who knows what you’re working in and what you’re doing, you know? Good point. But the idea is I love the way that Susan put it, that you’re your own small business, because that’s the way I always looked at it before I was even a business owner. And the bottom line is this is something I know that the young people are going to have a problem with because it’s uncomfortable. And a lot of young people have, again, the fallacy, you know, they’ve been told that things should be easy and they should be comfortable. Life is not easy and it’s not comfortable. And I think you and I, we’ve talked about this before. If we’re our own small businesses and you’re not making it on the one business, you open a second business, right? You get that second job. You get that third job. And I’ve had up to four jobs in my life. At one time, right? Yes, at one time. And it wasn’t comfortable. But, you know, you’re a Kansas girl. You understand making hay while the sun shines, right? You’ve got it. You’re only young once. You only have that energy to do all of that when you’re young. And so you’ve got to do the short-term pain for the long term. term gain. And I’m not an economist, but I made it work for me. And it’s not about what you make so much, but what you spend. You need to be a saver. I came to this country at the age of 70. Well, it’s a long story. I was from here, then left and was in Latin America and then came back alone at 17 with $500 in my pocket. And that was it, you know, kind of like in the fairytale. you know, then send off to make their way in the world kind of thing. And I’m now a homeowner and a business owner. So yes, it can be done. But if you think you’re going to do it on one job, you’re not. So you got to figure out what it is that you want.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, Yvonne Paez, thank you so much for weighing in on this. I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you for the opportunity.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Susan Kochevar, always great wisdom. Thank you so much. Thank you. And, Joe, you’re a real sport to do this. Thank you. It’s my pleasure. It’s fun for me. And to Yvonne’s point is my dad said to me, and Yvonne alluded to this, that young people these days may not be told that you need to really – Pay your dues and make things happen. And my dad said, if you do what you need to when you need to, then someday you can do what you want to when you want to. But if you get those things crossways, then it doesn’t always work out that well. So, again, these are such great discussions. I wanted to get to just a few of these text messages regarding Danielle Jurinsky, who we had on in the first hour. She is a Aurora City Councilwoman member. And it said, one of these is, who pays the mortgage on those apartments when they are in receivership? And this is the apartments in Aurora. We’re talking about that. And great question. Another comment is, when good men do nothing, bad wins. We have to fight. We can’t quit. And another listener said, Kim, I don’t understand why these people will sit back and look at this while Danielle is on my front line. Oh, that’s from Johnny J., And then Connie said, thank you for the important story with Danielle Jarenski. And let’s see, regarding the CEO that was gunned down in New York City, somebody asked, how many murders were committed in New York City in the last week? Apparently none, as we haven’t heard of any since the CEO was tragically murdered. Certainly that there were more. And one other thing from yesterday. From Jenny, we were talking about government grant money, and she clarified that basically government grant money to these municipalities and counties and the state is like drugs, is like cocaine. And so we need to do the intervention, and we need to stop all of this grant money that is going out to all of these different municipalities because the federal government doesn’t have the money. They’re printing it. which is causing inflation and these high deficits and in debt. This is not sustainable, and so we’ve got to get this turned around. It’s going to be a little painful, but we’ve got to do it. Our quote for the end of the show is from Henry Hazlitt. He said this, When each of us is free to work out his own economic destiny within the framework of the market economy, the institution of private property, and the general rule of law, We will all improve our economic condition much faster than when we are ordered around by bureaucrats. So, my friends, today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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