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Welcome to the Kim Monson Show podcast. Kim Monson is your host. Merry Christmas! Dr. Donald Sweeting, Chancellor of Colorado Christian University, invites us to go deeper into the message of Christmas which is the incarnation of Jesus. Dr. Sweeting discusses the potential perceived loneliness of Christmas and how to address it. Sixth generation farmer and rancher Trent Loos explains the importance of taking words back from the extreme radicals. Mortgage specialist Lorne Levy shares his thoughts about Christmas and the holidays. ————————————————————————————– The Kim Monson Show airs on KLZ 560 AM every Monday thru Friday, 6-8 AM MST.
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If, in fact, you are working for the man, it’s a new form of slavery. is it freedom or is it force let’s have a conversation indeed and welcome to the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history and thank you the great team that i get to work with and that is producer joe uh zach Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Joe, Luke, and Rachel. I’m blessed to work with a lot of really amazing people. We are pre-recording the shows for this week with amazing guests and amazing topics. And very pleased to have on the line with me Dr. Don Sweeting. He is the Chancellor of Colorado Christian University and wanted to talk with him about Christmas since we will be broadcasting this on Christmas Day. Dr. Sweeting, welcome to the show.
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Hi, Kim. It’s great to be with you today.
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Well, it’s great to be with you as well. And Christmas, what would you say to people that may only really think about Christianity during either Christmas or Easter? What would you say to them?
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Well, that’s a good place to start, because Christmas emphasizes the incarnation of Jesus Christ, God sending His Son into the world, and Easter emphasizes His work on the cross and the resurrection, and those are the two pivotal moments in His first coming. So I’d say that’s a great place to start. But I’d say go deeper. There’s so much more there. This is a an incredible story that is transformational. And I’ll give you an example if you want some examples of the power of the story. Okay, so I love Christmas. I love Christmas stories. You know, I love watching It’s a Wonderful Life, which is about a transformation of George Bailey. And I love watching Charles Dickens’ Christmas Carol, which is about the transformation of Ebenezer Scrooge. And I love watching The Grinch Who Sold Christmas because It’s about someone whose head wasn’t screwed on right and his shoes were too tight and his heart was two sizes too small. And I’m thinking, that’s us. That’s us. We desperately need the hope and the transformation that comes from the Christ of Christmas, not just the Christmas celebration itself. you know, and working up a sentimental feeling, but from the Christ of Christmas, because that’s where the hope is. That’s where the light is. That’s where the power is. That’s where the music, that’s what inspires the music and everything else. That’s the very center of Christmas.
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Well, and as we were preparing for this interview regarding Christmas, I continue, for some reason, I think of the shepherds. They just keep coming to mind. And what the angels said to them, and we’ll use this for our quote at the end of the show, but he says, do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. What a message to our world, our country in 2024.
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Yeah, it is a great message because it’s so easy for fear to grip us, whether it was pre-election fear or post-election fear or, you know, drone fear or New Year fear. We had the head of our school of theology do a devotional on the angels the other day on this passage about the shepherds. It was fascinating. And he had some really great reminders. His name is Dr. David Cotter. And he said, you know, first of all, angels are not what we think they are. They were terrifying. They were not the Victorian ladies. They had to make sure, you know, tell people, do not fear. Do not fall apart in our presence. And then he said, isn’t it interesting that with the shepherds, there was a multitude of heavenly hosts, a multitude, a vast, vast number, which probably would have also frightened them. And he said it was the same thing at Jesus’ death at the end when he was talking to the high priest. He said, don’t you think I could call 12 legions of angels right now? And the phrase used, in Luke 2 is there was a multitude of heavenly hosts. There was an army of angels. And Dr. Cotter said, now why a mighty army? And he said, because this was an invasion of This was God coming to earth to deliver us from sin, and the powers of hell were there to try to stop it. And the angel armies around these pivotal events in the work of Christ enabled them to go forward and for evil not to triumph. That’s just a fascinating insight on what we’ve tamed. We’ve tamed the angels, haven’t we?
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I never thought about it that way. But I’ll contemplate that, I think, throughout the season. I was just getting chills as you were saying that. The other thing I think a lot of people don’t understand was the shepherds were kind of the lowly of the lowliest. And in the Producers of the Chosen series, they have a film about the birth of Christ. And so they really portray the shepherds as kind of the lowly of the lowly. And the fact that the angels came to them means that all of us, with all the stuff that we have going on and We think we’re not worthy. I think that that is a message of the angels coming to the shepherds. Your thoughts, Dr. Sweeting?
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Yeah, I believe that little clip of the shepherds was the pilot project that launched the Chosen series. If I’m not mistaken, that’s how Dallas Jenkins began, and then it grew from there. So it was really well done. But I think you’re exactly right. It speaks to the fact that Christ is for everyone. He’s not just for the high and the mighty. He came in a lowly way. And it also points even further into the— not just the lowliness of the shepherds and Christ’s availability to people of a lowly estate, but it talks about how God humbled himself, the eternal son of God humbled himself, as Philippians 2 says, taking the form of a servant, even to the point of becoming enfleshed in pink crying flesh and then being laid in an animal feed trough. I mean, it’s absolutely stunning to think of what’s happening there. There’s an incredible… there’s an incredible condescending, humiliation, descent of God to be with us, to lift us up, whoever we are.
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Boy, we need that message so much today. People, I was thinking about this the other day, is people want to believe in something. And so people will believe in something, and you can fill in the blanks. And that’s why understanding why Christ really came to earth, why he went to the cross, was raised from the dead to overcome death and sin is really the foundational thing. Because the fact that the God of the universe would take human form because he wanted to have a relationship with each and every human being on this earth, it’s beyond understanding for me, Dr. Sweeting.
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Well, of course it is. It’s beyond all our understanding. It’s a grand mystery, the grand miracle, as C.S. Lewis called it. If you try to, you can’t explain it all, right? I think back in the Old Testament, there was a time when Solomon was dedicating the temple, and he prays. This is in 1 Kings 8. And in his dedication prayer, he says, but will God indeed dwell on earth? Behold, heaven, even the highest heavens cannot contain you, how much less this house that I have built. You know, he’s saying, but God chose to make himself known in that temple. But he’s so much bigger. This is what Solomon was wrestling with. And this is the wonder of the incarnation. The God of creation, the God who created the super clusters and the black holes and the galaxies, This is the God who came to be with us. And there’s a British writer in the 19th, early 20th century, G.K. Chesterton, who said, here’s the wondrous thing about the manger. The thing inside the manger was bigger than the whole world. Okay, he’s jogging your thoughts, as Chesterton always does, but you have the eternal second person of the Trinity accommodating himself to this world, taking on flesh, and he enters a manger, but he’s the one who made the world. And it is an ultimate mystery. But it’s a wondrous mystery, and life is filled with mysteries. But this is the great good mystery, and it’s a story that’s true. And it has power to lift you out of the doldrums and to give you hope and to transform your heart and to bring light into your life, because that’s what Jesus does.
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Dr. Sweeting, I have a dear, dear friend who is really creative and smart and funny. But she had gone through a dark time in her life. And she has been transformed with her faith in Jesus Christ. It’s a remarkable thing to watch. And she’s more fervent than many, I think, of us regarding her faith. And that happens many times, yes?
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Oh, yeah. Again, that’s, you know, we have all these transformation stories to tell us that there’s something at the heart of Christmas that is fantastic and wild and can change your life. And that something is not, you know, watching enough Christmas movies to get the spirit up. That something is a person, the person of Jesus Christ who came into the world, who is alive, who’s real, who can be reckoned with, who can be known. He can, you know, forgive your sins. He can give you a new foundation for your life. He can bring hope when you’re going through just incredible trouble and sorrow, which happens even at Christmas time, by the way. I mean, but that’s the message of Christ. It’s the message of the Bible.
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Well, and the other thing is, and this was a few years ago, my journey’s been a long one, and that is I realized Christ to the cross is, Everything that we can experience as human beings, he experienced that. They took away everything. All of his friends left him. He was physically and physical, you know, physically hurt. So whether or not people are going through cancer or what. When he says he takes on our burdens, he takes on our burdens. And he can do that because he can understand it because he went through that, which I think is so important to reflect upon.
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Well, it is. I mean, I remember when I was a pastor at Cherry Creek Presbyterian Church in town here in Greenwood Village. And it was one Christmas, and I love Christmas. I got all excited about it. And there was a family, and the husband died in a plane crash. And, you know, just horrible, terrible news in the midst of the holiday. And at first I thought, oh, this is going to ruin our Christmas. And then I thought, well, it’s deeply tragic for all of us in the family. But this actually confirms the message that, you know, we live in an ER world. And we need someone just like Jesus, a Savior, to deliver us from the captivity that we all experience. I think Christmas is confirmed by the hard things that happen. It’s not undermined in any way.
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Well, absolutely. I’m talking with Dr. Donald Sweeting. He is the chancellor for Colorado Christian University. We’re pre-recording these shows and so pleased to be broadcasting this on Christmas Day. We wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas. We are an independent voice and We get to work with amazing sponsors, and one of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And Roger and his team know that there can be challenges out there, but they want you to understand your insurance coverage. So reach out to them at 303-795-8855 for a complimentary appointment. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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Yeah, they do. How do you address that? Well, you know, people have loved ones who pass away, and this is the first holiday, Christmas, that they’re not going to be there. That’s hard. Or, you know, you have a spouse leaves, and you’re single, and you’re with the kids, and that’s hard. And sickness hits the family. So there’s so many things that are just a part of life that happen. And hopefully you have a Christmas strong enough, you have a faith strong enough to withhold you. And that’s what Christmas does. It’s about Christ coming into a broken, dark world where people are suffering and they need a Messiah. They need a Savior. And I’ll give you some personal examples for our family this fall. So this fall has been a season of loss for us. In September, I lost my dad. He was 99.9. He was in pretty good shape. He was still driving. They were still in their own home. He fell, broke his hip, and so I lost my dad. Then about a month later, I lost my mom. They were married 77 years, and Again, they were at home, and she passed away. And then I lost my dog. Fourteen years. Our dog, Autumn, who’s just been an incredible friend. Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. And we’ve had family who’ve been very, very sick. And so this has been such an extraordinary experience. It’s a different season for us. But one thing that happens to me every Christmas, Kim, is there’s usually one Christmas carol, and sometimes it’s a line from one Christmas carol that lodges in my mind. I mean, one year it was, O Holy Night, that phrase, and in his name all oppression shall cease. and I was just overwhelmed by the oppression in the world. Last year it was this beautiful choral piece, O Magnum Mysterium, by Morton Lauderson, talking about the Incarnation. This year it’s O Come, O Come, Emmanuel, which is a song I’ve known and I’ve heard many times, but it speaks about Come, O come, Emmanuel. Come and save your people. Give them victory over the grave. Death’s dark shadow put to flight. We’re living in the land of shadows and where we’re captive and we’re mourning in lonely exile. I mean, that speaks to me this year because I’m sad. I’m grieving. But there’s hope for those who are sad and grieving. And the hope is God with us. The hope is, I think it was C.S. Lewis who said, the Son of God became the Son of Man to enable man to become the sons of God. He lifts us up. He saves, and He gives us eternal life and victory over the grave. So that’s what carries me in my grief this season, and it’s all bound up with the coming of Christ and the message of Christmas.
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So my father passed on last year on December 1st, and he’d been in failing health. Wow. I have a couple of pictures in my room of my father. He was a man of tremendous faith. He was an old, stubborn German farmer. I love it. But he was a man of tremendous faith. I had peace knowing, I just am sure, that he was with Jesus, who he talked about, had a personal relationship with, loved. He had Bible verses that he would teach us. And I am so grateful for my father. And I know that he is in a much better place now.
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Right. Well, that hope is a hope that, I mean, it comes from Christ coming and living among us, being with us, his promise to remain with us, his promise to raise us up. So I look, you know, my parents knew the Lord, and they’re more alive than ever before. They’re in his presence. They’re experiencing. I don’t know if they experience Christmas, but it’s better than Christmas. And isn’t this the case, though? Christmas is about his first coming, and the Bible says his second advent is coming. So every Christmas should look forward to what’s next. And what’s next, according to Scripture, is that Jesus will come again, and he’s going to come in glory, and there’s going to be a new heaven and a new earth. And there will be people reigning with him in resurrection bodies. I mean, this is a hope. This is how the Bible ends. And it ends with the plea, come, Lord Jesus, come. So that just puts the death of my parents and perhaps your dad in a whole new framework. Like, okay, there is a future. The best is in front of us. And this is a gospel hope that comes from Christ himself. and his saving action on the cross and his promise to come again, and the promise of not just redemption, but a consummation with he’s going to complete his plan. The promises of the Bible will come true. So, Dr. Sweet. You got me preaching. I’m part, you know, I’m a chancellor, but I was a pastor for many years. I can’t help myself. It’s good news, right? It’s great news.
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Well, and it’s so important that people hear that now. And as you were just talking about this, I was thinking about faith and how faith can actually change. give us courage as we live each day in this fallen world. And so the song, Onward Christian Soldiers, that just popped into my brain. And there’s a purpose with that thing, getting up every day. And the church that we go to, one of the things that it says is, send me out to do the work that you would have me do, that I would perfectly love you and worthily magnify your holy name. Now, as a human being, I don’t hit that. I just don’t. But that is what I aspire to. And it gives me courage for us to step forward as Christian soldiers. And so Onward Christian Soldiers just popped into my brain.
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Yeah. Well, you know, faith has to have a solid foundation, right? Everybody has faith. So if you’re listening to this and you go, I don’t have faith, you actually do. You have faith. You know, in so many different things, you exercise it. You have faith that the world’s going to work, the sun’s going to come up, the light’s going to go on when you turn the switch on, that there’s going to be food at King Soopers and all the rest. But what is the ultimate foundation of the sort of uber faith of your life, the most important faith of your life? Is it your own flesh? Well, good luck, because that’s going to fail. Is it the economy? Well, you know, that’s going to go up and down, and you’re going to take none of it with you when you go.
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Somebody said, I’ve never seen a hearse with a U-Haul.
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Well, that’s right. I mean, we spent Thanksgiving emptying my parents’ home of all this stuff, and they left it all behind. It was just a sobering reminder. So what is the faith foundation of your life? And of course, the good news of Christmas is there is a solid foundation, and it’s found in God’s promise to the world to send a Redeemer, and that Redeemer is Jesus Christ, and He’s alive. He’s the light of the world. And there are It’s not just onward Christian soldiers is a great hymn, but so many of the Christmas carols, they celebrate this faith. Good Christian men rejoice. Christ was born to save. He was. He can. Look to him.
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Well, and the word joy has—this last election cycle, I think, was somewhat—they tried to co-opt it. And I want to make sure that we have the proper context of joy. And you think about Christmas hymns, Joy to the World, and just all of these—joy. And joy is— Joy, I think joy is a way of living life. Being happy is, I think, more of an emotion. But joy, I think, is deeper than that, Dr. Sweeting.
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Well, that’s right. I don’t know if you heard the siren in the background. A reminder, we live in an emergency ER world, right? And we need a savior. And that, you know, my favorite, I think one of my favorite Christmas carols is joy to the world. The Lord has come. Let earth receive her king. And it’s just filled with lines, you know, no more let sin and sorrows grow, nor thorns infest the ground. He comes to make his blessings flow far as the curse is found. Oh, my goodness. I mean, that’s good news.
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Yeah, that is really good news. And so we’re going to continue this discussion with Dr. Donald Sweeting, who is the chancellor of Colorado Christian University, but did want to mention the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, Colorado, on the beautiful Riverwalk. And it’s a very special place, co-founded by Drew Dix, a Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War, and Brad Padula, an Emmy Award-winning historian. And they wanted to make sure that we would honor our Medal of Honor recipients, and they do that with these beautiful portraits of valor of over 160 Medal of Honor recipients and their quotes about life. These are ordinary men, right? That when they saw danger, they stepped forward to protect others. And so knowing their stories is so important. I’d really recommend during the Christmas break to take the kids to the Center for American Values because they’ll learn a lot. And they focus on these foundational values of America of honor, integrity, and patriotism. So be sure and check out their website. That is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And a great sponsor of the show is Karen Levine. She has been in the business of helping people buy and sell their homes for many years, and she is the person you want on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. and wishing all of you a merry, merry Christmas. And we’re pre-recording these shows for Christmas week with special guests, special subjects, and I’m talking with Dr. Donald Sweeting. He’s the Chancellor of Colorado Christian University, and we’re talking about Christmas. Dr. Sweeting, there’s so many traditions around Christmas, some from a society standpoint, some family, personal. What’s your thoughts about traditions?
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Well, the traditions are wonderful. They can add a lot of meaning to the holiday, as long as you don’t miss the center of what it’s all about. And if it’s just about your Christmases, your traditions, and, you know, I’ve got to watch It’s a Wonderful Life so many times to get my spirit up or something, you’re missing it. So you’ve got to start at the center and make sure you keep the main thing the main thing, right? And the main thing is the birth and the coming of Christ. And then the other stuff is sort of tinsel on the tree, and it’s great. So we have many traditions at Colorado Christian University. At Christmas, we have many family traditions. Kim, I’m sure you have many Christmas traditions, too.
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Well, I do. And one of them is my next-door neighbors. For many, many years, we both have put out luminarias. And for those of you that don’t know what those are, it’s just basically a brown paper sack with sand in it and a candle. And we light them on Christmas Eve. And they used to live in New Mexico many years ago, so it’s a real tradition there. And our understanding is the tradition is it’s lighting the way for the Christ child. And so we all go out then and we go across the street and take pictures and look up into the sky. And it’s just such a special tradition. And yeah, that’s one of mine.
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We’ve never done that. I’ve seen that. And I’ve got a question for you, because when I see them, I keep thinking, well, aren’t the bags going to burn up? How do you keep that from happening?
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Well, you want to make sure I like to get a little bigger bag, but not everybody does. But you want to make sure that you really open it up. And sometimes we’ll roll the top of the bag over so it stays open a little bit more. And then you put the sand in. And then I get the pottery barn candles because they last all night. And knock on wood, I’ve never had a bag in all these years ever catch fire.
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If I did it, I’m sure we’d have numerous little fires.
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That siren you heard in the background in the previous segment, huh?
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Yeah. Well, we haven’t tried it yet, but I’m afraid to, actually. But we do put up Christmas lights and have Christmas trees and things like that. So I had four children and for many years served as a pastor. And that’s interesting when you’re trying to celebrate Christmas. It’s a commitment. Everything in your life gears up to Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. which means it’s really hard to balance family and church. And I was pastor of a fairly large church, Cherry Creek Press, and wonderful church. And we had four Christmas Eve services. So all the normal traditions we had growing up, we had to alter them. Otherwise, we would self-destruct as a family. So here’s what we did. So Christmas Eve, we just said, it’s church night. We had the kids involved in choirs and services, and we didn’t have any family thing because I didn’t get home until midnight. And I was kind of wasted. So what we normally did, we used to do, when I grew up, we’d have family special refreshments and maybe exchange a gift or two on Christmas Eve. So we said, okay, we’ll have to do that the night before Christmas Eve, which our kids called it Christmas Adam, okay? So Christmas Adam, we had our little family gathering, and we had Christmas Eve, which is church night. Then Christmas morning, I was shot. I wasn’t worth much. So we would only have the kids do their stockings, and then we’d go to a grandparent’s house for dinner. And that was enough for the day. And then we would open up our gifts on Boxing Day, the day after Christmas. Now, some of you may think that’s cruel and unusual punishment to children to do that, but our kids loved it because then they started going, hey, everybody has one day of Christmas. We have four days of Christmas. And the thing is, we still do it. I mean, you know, I’m not serving as a pastor right now. I’m a Colorado Christian. But they still want to do it that way. And it was honestly, it was a survival mechanism so that, you know, we could have meaningful alone time as a family, but also serve really well at the church and celebrate with everybody else. And that’s what we did. We called it the four days of Christmas.
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Well, a couple of things. First of all, Boxing Day. We’ve not talked with any of our guests about Boxing Day for any of the interviews this week. And so Boxing Day is the 26th and Epiphany goes from Christmas to January 6th. And Boxing Day, my understanding was that back in Western Europe, of course, there’s the celebrations by the monarchy and the royalty on Christmas Day. And so the servants had to work. On Christmas Day for all that. But then on Boxing Day, the next day, leftovers, some money, a variety of things might be put into boxes to give to the servants because of that. So hence Boxing Day. So that’s my understanding of the holiday. Is that the way you understand it?
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Yeah, and you’d box up your gifts, right? It was a British thing, and I’m not even sure all they did. But typically it’s December 26th. And so that day, you know, for us ended up being where it’s quiet. We’re at home. We’re not going to anybody’s house. We have the whole day to just we open gifts in the morning and just, you know, it’s it’s the, you know, Christmas Day.
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So, Dr. Sweeting, this year has been different for me. And I really think that women, moms, it can be a lot of work. Christmas season can be a lot of work with children and the different programs and then get the gifts and get the tree up and do this. It can become a lot of pressure. And I would adhere to that pressure. It’s like, ah, I’ve got to get this up before my friends come over. This year… I’ve decided Christmas is Christmas Eve when Christ comes. And so I am preparing. I’m recognizing Advent as preparation time. And my goal is to have everything prepared. done by Christmas Eve and it’s really taken a lot of pressure off so I’ve had friends over I’ve got a women’s group that comes over I would have loved to have had my house totally decorated but time just would not allow it and so I decided I’m going to give my myself permission to say I’m going to do my best I’m focused on Christmas Eve and somehow this has been the most relaxing Christmas I’ve ever had
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That’s wonderful. And I think that’s because you had a premeditated plan. And a lot of times I’ve just stumbled into the holidays and then there are all these parties and there are all these things you’ve got to do and the kids have their programs and it can drive you, well, it’s frenzied. That’s a good word, yeah. Have yourself a frenzied little Christmas. That’s what it is, right? So here’s something you can do that might help. And we had to do this. Because, again, we had family stuff, kids stuff, and church stuff, all the church stuff of the month. So Thanksgiving weekend, Christina and I would actually go out for dinner or just get away, and we’d say, okay, Christmas is coming. We know there’s going to be so much. Here are the things that we could be at. We can’t do everything. What are we going to do? Let’s have a plan, and let’s agree on the plan ahead of time. That took a lot of pressure off of us because then we said we don’t have to do every party. We don’t have to do every tradition. We can emphasize different things, and it just put sanity back into our December.
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Well, and again, I want to speak to certainly fathers. But moms, I think that there can be a lot of pressure for moms with little kids. And I just want to encourage you all to give yourself permission to say, if this isn’t done, that’s okay. Just look at things. Prioritize it. Say, this is something I really want to get done. This can wait. And again… It’s been a lot of years for me to finally get to this point, Dr. Sweeting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah, right, right. And you know what? Especially for those of us who are empty nesters, you can help other people who are in the thick of it with lots of maybe… kids or single parents, you can make a difference in their lives and come alongside of them and that they need help. So I would encourage you to open your eyes, look around at the people. It could be a family member, it could be a neighbor, and that’ll add so much richness to your holiday.
SPEAKER 10 :
It really, really will. And any other traditions? Those are pretty important traditions, Dr. Sweeting. Anything else regarding maybe traditions from a societal standpoint?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, man. Well, traditions from – I’m not sure what you mean by societal standpoint.
SPEAKER 10 :
So Christmas trees and shopping and all those things.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah. When we think about gifts, we try to think, okay, we want to give some really meaningful gifts that will be totally appreciated because there’s deep need. That could be our own family. It often isn’t. It’s often extended family or neighbors where you give yourself to other people, and when they receive it, they’re just shocked. You know, those are the kind of gifts that really make a difference. And we have so much. We all have so much stuff. And how much stuff do we really need? And there’s so much what I call meaningless gift giving that we could stand to do without. But there’s a meaningful gift giving that can really lift people and help them keep going. Think about that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and one other thing as a gift, and I hadn’t really thought a lot about this because we’ve always had Bibles in my house. I remember my paternal grandparents, they had a picture window. And again, old, stubborn Germans. And in that picture window, they actually had a little stand with the family Bible right there. And so it was such a focus. And so I just kind of assumed that everybody has a Bible, but a lot of people don’t. And there was one year that I had a friend who was quite ill and he said something along the line, he didn’t have a Bible. And so I gave him a Bible. And so even though we’re broadcasting this on Christmas, the gift of a Bible for people that don’t have one could be a really important gift, Dr. Sweeney.
SPEAKER 03 :
It could be. And hopefully, you know, if we have a Bible, we’ll read the Bible. Good point. I mean, you know, some people said it’s the most unread book in America. And I often fear that it is. But this is where the good news of Christmas is found, and there’s so much more as well. But it could be a Bible. It could be something else. It could be a big basket of fruit and goodies that a family that can’t afford much will just be shocked when it comes in the door. It could be you send a check to… a friend or neighbor who’s really having hard times. It could be you just help out. You’re with somebody if they’re very sick or their spouse is very sick and you’re just helping them get through. There’s so many ways that you can bless them and lift them during the season and way beyond the season, too. It’s not confined to Christmas. But Christmas is one of those times where it’s a spark for joy kindness and goodness and reaching out in love to others.
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It definitely is. And we will continue this discussion with Dr. Donald Sweeting, who is the Chancellor of Colorado Christian University. All these discussions happen because of our sponsors. And so for everything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we prerecorded these shows for Christmas week with very special guests and just learning so much on a variety of topics. And talking with Dr. Donald Sweeting, he is the chancellor of Colorado Christian University. And Dr. Sweeting, we were talking about traditions in the last segment. What’s your favorite Christmas movie?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my. Okay. Well, I think my all-time favorite that I watch every Christmas week is A Christmas Carol. And there are lots of different versions of A Christmas Carol. I think there are almost ten, probably more, film versions of that. But my favorite is Black and White, Alistair Sim, 1951. It’s very British, but that’s the one that I’ve got to watch. I still do. What about you?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think mine is a Christmas story about the little kid that wanted that Red Ryder BB gun, and everybody kept telling him that he’d shoot his eye out, and he wanted it. And just the story, and then, of course, what happens with the turkey for the Christmas dinner, so they end up at a Chinese restaurant. Just the humor and the child… You know, the child wanting that gift. I have to watch that every season.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s great. That’s great. Well, there are a lot of them, and you can’t watch them all, but that’s my go-to.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. So we’re broadcasting this on Christmas Day. What about moving forward, reshaping Christmas for each person in the future? Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So if you’re listening to this on Christmas Day, then you realize that Christmas is already here and it’s really too late to retool your December. But it’s also a good time to just think about not just next year, but how you’ll do Christmas differently in the future. And to I guess I would encourage you to recenter it on Jesus so that that’s the main thing and everything else. revolves around that. And everything else is extraneous, really. You can cut things out. Nothing is sacred. But Christ is. So keep Christ. So then how do you keep Christ central in Christmas? Here’s some things you can do. Number one, if you want to put Christ back into your Christmas, put Advent back into your December. Advent is a season of preparation. Many churches will emphasize it. There are four Sundays. You have an Advent wreath. You can do readings. You light a candle for each Sunday of Advent. And Advent is a season of spiritual preparation, too, to just prepare your heart and make Him room. So start with Advent. And that begins right after Thanksgiving. Then secondly, make sure you have time to worship the Lord in December, that you go to church. Christmas Eve, if your church has a service Christmas Day, the Sundays of Advent, that will usually help you get re-centered because pastors are always, they’re preparing series of messages that will focus on Christmas. Another thing you can do is have a creche at home, a nativity set. And one of the things we do in our family is before we open gifts, our Christmas gifts, is we go to the nativity set. We have an olive wood set from Bethlehem. And we put Jesus in the manger because he hasn’t been there. And we read the Christmas story and just give thanks and we pray. And then we go to the tree and we open gifts. So have a nativity set or a creche. Read a book on the grand miracle of the Incarnation. There are many books. There are some really good devotional books. There are also a lot of fluffy ones that aren’t worth your time. We’re reading a book by Sinclair Ferguson called The Dawn of Redeeming Grace, and it’s great. That’s our book for this year. Take in some of the great Christmas music concerts. I’m listing past churches. Colorado Christian University, we put on a fantastic Christmas concert early in December with our students, but there are so many. Rethink gifts. so that you’re giving gifts that really do make a difference. And get behind some of the traditions. Think with your family. Why do we give gifts? Because God gave a gift. Why do we have lights? Because Christ is the light of the world. Why do we think of the poor? Because Christ was born in a manger. Why do we do music? So there are lots of things you can do to re-center, re-focus your Christmas on Christ and And plan early. Think it through ahead of time, not just in the moment.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I think that that’s really good advice. And at this time, 2024, America, as we’re looking into the future, more than ever, I think that we need to recognize that the Christian values, that Christ came to earth because he cared about each and every individual. I think matches up with the American idea beautifully, where we realize the importance of the individual, that the Declaration says that we are endowed by our Creator with these rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I think that those two things match up really beautifully, and that is the individual. And so each and every one of you is so important i say it on the show all the time you’re each treasured and you’re valued and you’re unique and um and god is you are made exactly the way god wanted it wanted to make you and so never question that uh so i think that’s kind of my final thought on all this what’s the final thought that you’d like to leave with our listeners uh well just think of the world if christ had never been born you know think of all that the world would have missed um
SPEAKER 03 :
and the gifts that he gave to the world, including the gift of dignity and lifting children and women and the elderly and the slave, and the impulse of education and the impact he had on health care and the arts and everything else, and the impact… The Christian faith had on the founding of our country, as you were just saying, Kim, extraordinary. The pilgrims wouldn’t have come. A lot of the people wouldn’t have. Columbus wouldn’t have sailed. So many wouldn’t have come if they weren’t motivated in some way by Christ. It’s not to say they were perfect or they didn’t make mistakes, but Jesus Christ had extraordinary influence on our world. He still does. And so, you know, Have fun at Christmas, but make sure you got the center right. And it is about Jesus.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, absolutely. And then just I think one last question. We have just a couple of minutes because you work with so many young people at Colorado Christian University. And they’re so bombarded with all these different messages and public education. What would you say to the young people of America right now?
SPEAKER 03 :
I would say, first of all, build your life on a solid foundation. Jesus said, the wise man builds his house upon the rock. The foolish man builds his house upon the sand. What’s going to last? And, of course, the rock, as the New Testament puts it, is Jesus Christ, a solid rock to build your life upon. He will give you a new identity. He’ll forgive your sins. He’ll bring light and life into your life. For many of you, he can help you build your life and your future on a whole new foundation. And the other thing I would say is if you sense you’re supposed to go to college, go to a college that actually believes in something solid. They believe there’s a God. They believe there’s truth. They believe in the humanities. They believe in the liberal arts. They’re not ashamed of Jesus Christ. And I wish there were many colleges that were that way, but there are some, and Colorado Christian University is certainly one of them. So consider a college like CCU, and we’ll help you build upon that foundation.
SPEAKER 10 :
And again, Dr. Donald Sweeting, who is the chancellor of Colorado Christian University, thank you so much for these important insights and conversation. And I wish you and yours a very happy Christmas season here and a very prosperous 2025.
SPEAKER 03 :
Merry Christmas, everybody.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Thanks, Kim. Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 10 :
Merry Christmas. So I think we’ve talked about it before, but tell me, what is some of the Luce household traditions?
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, we have talked about it before and the traditions seem to morph. We had a very good set of traditions when all the girls are here. Now the girls are gone and they come back or they don’t come back. We got two of the three coming back. But I actually wrote my column about this. And can I start with the Bible verse on Christmas?
SPEAKER 10 :
Please do.
SPEAKER 06 :
1 John 2, verse 15 and 16. That message to me is that Christmas, my friend, Pastor Jeff Weiss, who’s co-host swinging a prayer every Sunday with me has got me in the frame of the frame of mind of saying Christmas instead of Christmas because we have worked so hard at taking Christ out of Christmas I had on another broadcast this week Julie Scott who joins me from Fairfax Halifax excuse me Halifax Nova Scotia from time to time and she said it’s really gotten extreme in Canada and that you cannot say Merry Christmas. It’s not illegal, but you will get chastised severely. And I just think that this Christmas 2024 is a great time to remind everybody that it’s about Christmas. And we have the commercial aspect that this isn’t a new thing and a reason for the season. But the truth of the matter is, I think it’s really important to right now talk about Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Particularly on Christmas.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, you know, particularly at this time, I think so. And from that Bible verse, 1 John 2, 15 through 16, I think that we have gotten our focus onto so many things of this world. And I think so many people… feel empty with that. They say there’s got to be something more, and that something more is Christmas, where God came as a baby and a human to redeem humankind. And I’ll tell you, as I walk along and see all these different people, all different colors and all different weights and all different heights, and it just is so… unbelievable to me that Christ came to earth because he wants a personal relationship with each and every human being on this earth. It’s almost more than I can wrap my brain around, but it is so amazing.
SPEAKER 06 :
It truly is amazing. And I remember as a kid, in Sunday school, because I grew up in church and mom and dad made me go to church. And if I didn’t behave in church, I sat on a chair for the equal amount of time when I got home from church. And, you know, that doesn’t happen anymore. You don’t even get young families in church because we’re playing ball games. I’m not opposed to ball games. But and I’ve got a whole new level of thought about the church itself. And the church should not be confused with Jesus. and everything you just said in your walk with Jesus. But, you know, as a kid, we learned in Sunday school that Christians are going to be under attack, and there will come a day when people will deny that you’re even a Christian. And I can remember as a kid, like, no way, that would never happen. Everybody’s a Christian, right? That attack is up close and personal right now. When you can’t say Merry Christmas without getting chastised, that attack is incrementally coming to you.
SPEAKER 10 :
But that is why I think Merry Christmas is, let’s do it. And so I have been wishing people a Merry Christmas and I’ve been getting Merry Christmas back as well. But I wanna, so I get your church experience. So I, as a child, we always went to church as well. And my mother tells this story, I think this was Easter. And for some reason I was wearing white gloves and I was in the children’s choir which was up behind the choir loft, was right behind the pulpit. And apparently I thought it was a good idea to be talking. I’m sure you can’t imagine that, that I’d be talking to my neighbors during the sermon.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, that’s hard to imagine.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I decided that, of course, I would do that so nobody would notice. So I did that behind my hand. My mother said it was like sending messages all day throughout the sermon as I was moving my white hand to talk with my neighbors. She was so embarrassed.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. Did you sit on a chair when you got home, Kim?
SPEAKER 10 :
I did. I did get chastised a bit, though. So anyway, I remember that story as a kid. One more Trent Luce Church story before we go to break.
SPEAKER 06 :
One more?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Do you have another one? Or is just sitting on the chair enough?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, sitting on the chair was just it. I mean, it was like motivation to be still and pay attention or pretend I was paying attention. Absolutely. Absolutely. But the other thing that’s happening in today’s world, which I’m just perplexed by, and I’m talking about in our world, where I go to so many meetings on a given week. And it all started for me, actually, in Albuquerque, when we were doing the Faith, Family, and Freedom Tour. I asked, this was 37 states in 57 days. We had events. We were celebrating freedom. And I would always start those events with a prayer. And I would ask someone locally, or I would do it myself, ask a blessing. And when we did this meeting in Albuquerque, the guy asked me, he said, is it okay if I do it in Jesus’ name? And I looked at him and I said, what kind of a prayer would you do if it wasn’t in Jesus’ name? And he said, well, in New Mexico, that’s frowned upon. And it’s not illegal, but you can get in trouble. I’m like, really? Really? And now in today’s world, Kim, I have people who are reluctant to start our meetings, no matter how big or small they are, with a prayer because they’re afraid they might offend somebody. Doesn’t the word in Jesus’ whole plan to come to earth tell us to don’t be offended by what people think? Display your faith openly.
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Well, and this is censorship. It is not so subtle, but it may be a subtle way of taking away our freedom of speech. And so it’s a very important little subtle battle that we have going on during this Christmas season. So we’re going to continue the discussion with Trent Luce, and we wish you all a Merry Christmas. We are pre-recording this, and we are promoting Doyle Glass’s book, A Swift Sword During December. And it is a really important piece of history. And we are pre-recording our shows for this Christmas week. And so very pleased to be talking with Lorne Levy, who has been a sponsor of the show for just about since day one, since it’s been the Kim Munson Show. And Lorne, we’re going to be starting our seventh year solo. And a big part of that is you and your partnership and your sponsorship. And I really appreciate that.
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Well, and let’s talk a little bit about your business, then we’ll talk about this Christmas, Hanukkah season. But you’ve been able to help people with first mortgages, second mortgages, and reverse mortgages, and through all different kinds of interest rate environments. And you realize, I think that people need to understand that there is flexibility as these rates move around. And I’d asked you the question a few weeks ago about… is there a penalty if you prepay or refinance, I guess? And you said that’s gone away. I remember in the old days that did happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, there were a lot of loans that were, especially if there were these tricky arm loans that were what was called subprime that a lot of people blamed for bringing down the 08 crash. They had, you know, you’d get in a two-year arm with a two-year prepay, so you couldn’t get out of it. It was just so cost prohibitive. There’s been other loans like that along the way, but for the most part, those types of prepaid penalties have been banned through legislation, and so they don’t have them anymore. So, yeah, people can refinance as long as it makes financial sense and the costs are not prohibited. People can refinance every six months if they want to. You can’t just do it for the sake of doing it. It has to be worthwhile to save enough money, but they can do it.
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So what would make it worthwhile? Quarter percent? Half percent?
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I get that question a lot because there’s a lot of people that I call old school. And the old school theory is that if you can’t lower your rate by at least 1%, it’s not worth doing it. But I think that comes from a theory of when homes were, you know, our parents were buying homes for $40,000 or, you know, not in today’s world. You know, I had a client for a number of years that had a million dollar home. So his loan was like $800,000. And he would say, every time I can save a quarter point, you call me. Let’s get started. Because a quarter point on an $800,000 loan was saving him $350, $400 a month. Wow. Which is real money. That’s real money, yeah. That’s real money. And that was only for a quarter point. So everyone’s answer is different. It’s what do you think is worth it. And I tell people, if I was to come to your house and knock on your door, Kim, and say, hey, I’m here to hand you $200. Would you send me away, or would you take the $200? And that’s really what it is. It’s just a matter of getting your pay stubs and your W-2s together and refinance, and someone might hand you $200 a month that you were paying to a bank.
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And we’ve got a couple of minutes left. And just your reflections on this Christmas, Hanukkah season.
SPEAKER 14 :
My reflection gets different as we’ve known each other because as a parent, I just love when the kids come home. My son has recently come home from college and I get to spend time until they have to go back. And when you’re younger and you’re just in the rat race and your kids are little, they’re always around. And so it’s a difference. And now when you get older… And you get family and friends together. It means a lot more when you see these 20-somethings that are all friends. We have a good group of friends as adults, and our kids are all best buddies. And to have them home and doing karaoke nights and whatever they’re doing with their girlfriends and boyfriends and all be together, it’s awesome. So it’s a fun time of year, and that’s what I like most about it.
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Yeah. Getting together with family. That’s for sure. One other quick question. You grew up in Boston. You’re a Boston kid. And there’s a lot of history around Christmas in New England and with the Battle of Trenton, the Battle of Princeton. A lot of stuff was happening in Boston.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. You and I have talked about that a lot where when you live there and you see the history, you kind of get second fiddle to it. You know, it’s like, ah, I’ve done that. I’ve seen that. And then now when I fly home to visit family and friends, it’s like, whoa, there’s so much that happened here. Everything’s so old in the history of it. And, you know, we just don’t have that necessarily here. We don’t have buildings built in the, you know, 1800s. And it’s pretty crazy to see when you go back there. But there’s a lot of history from just about everything back there.
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Yeah. Well, Lauren, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Really prosperous 2025. And I really appreciate you.
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My pleasure. Thank you.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we do thank Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable energy sources from oil, gas, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. That whole industry is under regulatory and legislative attack. And so that’s why we need to engage in the battle of ideas so that people understand that these things allow us to adjust our own personal climate. And that is being warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And also another sponsor of the show is Hooters Restaurants. And it’s an important story how I got to know them. It was when I was on city council. And it’s a story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that are wanting to control capitalism. Every aspect of our life. And you can find that story at my website. But Hooters Restaurants has five locations. Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. Great place to get together with friends to watch the games. They have great specials for happy hour. It is Wednesday. We are pre-recording these shows for this week with great guests. And, of course, Trent Luce is a regular on Wednesdays. And it is Christmas Day. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas. Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher. You’re always shedding light on this attack on the people that feed and fuel us, and they’re trying to take our freedom. And one of the ways they do that is self-censorship. When we censor ourselves because we are concerned, if we say Merry Christmas, that is actually an infringement upon our freedoms.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s important, Kim. But I’m getting these notifications from Skype on my computer. Do you know how to turn those off?
SPEAKER 10 :
I bet that Joe probably does. I don’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Why are these notifications always showing up on my computer? Turn those things off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. I don’t know. You’re talking to an old dinosaur, so I don’t know the answer to that.
SPEAKER 06 :
I want to be an old dinosaur, too.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, producer Joe is keeping me young.
SPEAKER 06 :
There you go. See, somebody’s got to keep you young. And before we talk about self-censorship, we need to schedule a happy hour appearance when I come to town for the National Western.
SPEAKER 10 :
Happy hour for what, on one of the Trent Luce shows?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, we don’t need to broadcast it. You were promoting go to Happy Hour Hooters. I said we could do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, let’s do that. Absolutely. I’m a little slow. Yeah, let’s do that. That’ll be fun. And in fact, you know what we should do?
SPEAKER 06 :
I can do a broadcast from there.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know what we should do is invite all the listeners so that they can come and meet you. Let’s make that happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Meet us?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Meet us. Okay. We’ll make that happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is my arm. All right, you set it up.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ll set it up. Let me make a note here, Trent. Okay, I have to make notes now because I don’t think it’s because I’m forgetting things. Maybe it is. I think it’s because there’s so many things going on in my brain. Okay, self-censorship. When people are afraid to say Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m going to reference my dear friend, Pastor Jeff Weiss, who once again co-hosts Winging a Prayer with me every Sunday. and he wrote a book called Free Indeed. You should get Jeff on as a guest. He would be a great guest for you, Kim. But he wrote a book called Free Indeed. And if you truly understand the biblical sense of freedom and being free indeed, you are not refrained in any way, shape, or form of censoring yourself. But you’re absolutely right. The Bible is all about it, and Jesus’ coming to earth and his resurrection His birth through his crucifixion is all about living without having fear. And you have to be free indeed in the fearing God only. And it just perplexes me. Go back and think about the people you know and people who you thought were really walking in the path of the Lord and how they were living in fear during COVID. Yeah. How do you do that? I just don’t understand that. And that whole thing was a test on self-censorship.
SPEAKER 10 :
I really I agree with that. And as I look back at that, though, it was it was it took an act of courage to walk into the grocery store without a mask on. And it was it was it’s surreal as I think back about that. Of course, in I think in rural America, they’re like, no, we’re not doing that. But man, in the urban areas, it was crazy. And you were afraid that there was going to be the mask police that was going to try to embarrass you. So I ended up I’m sure you’re not surprised. I hardly ever wore a mask. But if I was someplace where I absolutely had to be there and had to have a mask, somebody gave me one that was transparent, kind of that transparent netting. And so if they say, you know, put on your mask, I put that on, which was clear that, you know, I could breathe and all kinds of things being being the rebel that I’m on. But it was just it was this test to see how far they could push our fear to comply. Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ll never forget the first week of May that year. So this would have been 2021, right? No, 2020. May 2020 was a bad year. And I had to make a pig delivery to Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, and Kentucky. So Landry, because she was in school online… went with me. And so we made a 1700 mile journey that week. And it was the most interesting sociology project you could have ever had. And I’ll never forget the one place that just really set me back was, you know, I wear a wild rag all the time. I mean, it doesn’t matter what’s going on. I’m summer, winter, I’m wearing a wild rag. And I walk into a gas station. And for those who don’t know, I’m usually wearing a black cowboy hat at the same time. I walk in this gas station in Pennsylvania. There was a sign on the door that said mask required. Clearly, I’m like 10 months. I’m like, if Kim doesn’t wear a mask, I’m not going to wear a mask. And this kid who, I don’t know, he’s probably 25 years old, working behind the desk. You would have thought I walked in there as a robber. He just went, he just started, his eyes got big. He was like, oh my God, you got to get a mask. You got to get a mask. So I simply took the rag that I wear around my neck. I pulled it up over my nose. I looked like an authentic robber. And a degree of comfort just came over him like, oh, okay. And I’m like, how weird is this? I walk in here looking like a bank robber, and they feel comfortable. I walk in with an open face, and they’re scared to death.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And check out the Center for American Values. I’d say put the family in the car. And go to Pueblo, make a day trip of it, visit the Center for American Values. It will inspire your children. And hopefully, as you look at the portraits of each of these Medal of Honor recipients that did something to save others on the battlefield, when they were on the battlefield. It’s so important. And have these conversations with your kids about these heroic actions by everyday people when the situation presented itself. So get more information. You can go to AmericanValueCenter.org. You can visit the center. There’s great restaurants there on the Riverwalk. And Pueblo is known as the home of heroes. And we are pre-recording for this week of Christmas, and we’re wishing you a very Merry Christmas today. Talking with Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher, and we were talking about fear and this whole experiment of COVID and standing up against that. So, Trent, I don’t think I’ve told you this story. I was in San Diego during COVID, you know, some of those first few months. with the fam, and we were going to go to a restaurant, and I knew I was not going to wear a mask into the restaurant. This is California. And so I thought, I’ll let the whole family go ahead and go in before me, because if they kick somebody out, I just want them to kick me out, not everybody. And so I waited until they got into the restaurant, and then I walked in without my mask, and I sat down. Looking around now, there were people at other tables that were didn’t have a mask on. So you could take your mask off when you sat down, but you had to have it on when you walked in. And I’m thinking this is a bunch of bull dashery, you know, and so anyway, the the waiter comes over. No, the manager came over and said to me, I see that you came in without a mask. And I said, yes. And he said, well, I’m going to have to ask you to leave. And I said, well, I’ll leave. Please let them – they’re all hungry. Let them go ahead and eat. But I said, I understand. But I said, I just want you to understand that this whole thing is about freedom. And he said, okay. He said, well, I’ll let you stay. Okay. but I’ll have to see if our waiter feels safe waiting on you. I’m thinking, oh, my gosh. So he’s waiting on tables, other people without masks on, but they have to. So he comes over. The waiter was as nice as anything. In the meantime, my daughter leans over to me and says, I hope that you are prepared to tip like a Rockefeller today. I said, I am. And so anyway, we ended up having a very nice time, great waiter, great food, and left. And I did leave a very healthy tip. And then my son had gone back to that restaurant a few weeks later, and the waiter recognized him, and he was all over himself trying to wait on my son. But it was an act of courage. It’s so goofy to say it, just to say… I’m not doing it. But it was a big deal, and it was an act of courage, and a lot of people stepped forward. I don’t think they’re going to pull the wool over most of our eyes this time around. I hope not, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I disagree with you. I think a majority of the people will still comply. And it’s coming hard and fast. It looks like it’s coming in the name of avian influenza. Oh, yes. But as a side note, there’s something that you said there that I also found very interesting during that time. And my most dark experience with that was on a plane, because on a plane, if you didn’t have your mask on, unless you’re drinking or eating, then you had to be covered up. And if you weren’t covered up, they removed you. And I had an attendant, a flight attendant who got belligerent with me. I just would like put it up over my chin so to pretend that I had it on. I didn’t have it on. She came chatting back there and she said, sir, I will have the pilots stop this plane and we will unload you. And like, you’re going to do that? No, you’re not going to do that. But she could. If you do not cover your face properly. And so what I bring that up for is that there were so many people not only compliant, there were so many people that felt like they had to be the protector of everybody.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they were just like little militant Hitlers running around telling you what you had and couldn’t do. And the only I mean, the only two times I wore a mask during that episode. was I ultimately did on that plane, which, interestingly enough, I remember clearly I was flying to Georgia to do a freedom festival with Devin Nunes, who obviously is in the news this week. But we were going to a freedom festival where I had no freedom whatsoever on the plane. And the other place is in the fall of this year when kids got back into school. The schools would not permit you in the building without wearing a mask. And that was the only time I was compliant because I wasn’t going to miss my daughter’s events, and I just did not take a stand. And I often think looking back if I really screwed up in that regard.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I know. It was such a crazy time. But it’s why we have to stand for freedom. And that’s why in the Bible, I’m told that it’s said many, many times in the Bible, do not fear. Isn’t that one of the first things that the angels said to the shepherds? Do not fear. It is. And so we need to take heed of that, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you know what else I found interesting, tying it back to Jesus and ministering, is that just within the last six months, I noticed that there’s an attack in China. Probably there’s always an attack in China on Christianity. But one way that Christian churches can remain open in China, and I’m not talking COVID, I’m talking about just freedom of religion. is if they make their sermons and their church services available on the internet so that they can be monitored. Do you know how that hit me? That hit me so hard and fast because churches, for the most part, except for the megachurches, were not broadcasting sermons. But because of COVID, we moved into this era of, of now all church services are are available on the internet so we voluntarily did what china is forcing christians to do in china i just find that fascinating that is fascinating i know there are people that have liked that convenience of that um
SPEAKER 10 :
if we got to a point where we had real censorship of Christian churches, you can well imagine that those things that have been broadcast will be used against the churches in the future.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Because they also, I mean, look, every day somebody is being convicted in court based upon something they say. I have a friend who spent three years in federal penitentiary because of something he said on a Facebook direct message. It’s being monitored left and right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Three years. Correct. Wow. Well, we must not fear. We must speak the truth. That’s what you do basically 365 days a year, and that’s what I’m doing as well because I believe that we engage in this battle of ideas. Christ did not use weapons at all. He used words and ideas, and I think that those are so important. It’s attributed to Stalin, who he said, and I don’t know for sure if he said it, but it’s still effective. He said, ideas are more powerful than guns. We wouldn’t let our enemies have guns, so why would we let them have ideas? And that’s why what you’re doing and what I’m doing is so important, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree 100%. And in fact, I gave you kudos on the air this week in one of my other broadcasts, because I said that, you know, for the most – I’ll tell you what it was about. I looked at the number of people who are leaving or going to a state, and the migration is quite fascinating. And what they do is they check with the movers. And Colorado is seeing more people leave by about 5% than people moving into Colorado. And there’s a lot of people who think Colorado is just lost and gone. And I said, you might think that, but when you have somebody like Kim Munson – who every day on KLZ is bringing the conservative thought process to the forefront. There are people showing up and standing up that previously thought they were by themselves and they couldn’t do it because they just didn’t have the comfort, and now it’s happening thanks to what you’re doing.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, thank you. I feel that this is what God wants me to do, is to engage in this battle of ideas here in Colorado. Words are so important. And we’ve seen the demonizing of words. You mentioned conservative. And the word conservative, as in politics, has been demonized. And I think we need to reclaim that. Conservative, what does that mean? And those that have tried to demonize the word have said that conservatives want to control how you live your life and what you do. Well, we go through COVID and we realized who it was. No, it was the extreme radicals. And the conservative, what that means is to conserve and preserve these principles that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And it’s been attributed to, well, I’m sure he said it, Calvin Coolidge. He said, if all men are created equal, then that is final. So none of this reparation stuff, none of this dividing stuff, that’s the ideal that we need to be working towards, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. And I’ll give you the greatest example, sad example, of a word being hijacked. And conservative is another good example. But I come from the world of agriculture. And my family, I can take you to the barn that my family started farming out of in 1839. Well, they didn’t build the barn until 1889, but they started farming the land in 1839. It’s still being farmed today, and that is sustainability. It is sustainable that you can be six generations in the same family taking care of the same land. And yet today, most farmers and ranchers are afraid to use the term sustainability because it’s been hijacked by the green weenies.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, and sustainability is actually whenever you see that in construction or within any industry environment, sustainability has actually become a code word for a communist agenda. And that’s some of the things we’ve talked about on a Climate Conversation podcast with some of these experts and scientists that I know that seems very strong, but they’re using the word sustainability to push forward, control communist principles at Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. And we cannot allow these words to be hijacked.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, not at all. And so let’s go to break. And there’s a few other things that I’d like to talk about that we’ve let these things be hijacked. We need to reclaim them. And we have these important discussions because we have great sponsors. And one of those is both John Boson with Boson Law.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And throughout December, the USMC Memorial Foundation, if you buy a brick to honor your military service or your loved one’s military service, there is someone that is matching the purchase of that brick. So it’ll be like double the money. And so get that done before the end of the year. You can do that by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. That is USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And we are pre-recording these shows for Christmas week. It is Christmas Day. And we wish all of you a very Merry Christmas. And we have Trent Luce on the line. You know him. He is a sixth generation farmer and rancher. And we were talking about words that have been redefined, co-opted by the left. Conservative is one of those. But a symbol that has really been co-opted by the left is rainbow. And here, all these little girls love rainbows. And so you can see co-opting that, I think, is a real—it’s a not-so-subtle problem, but it is a subtle problem. What’s your thoughts about co-opting the rainbow, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you remember when I had my man march, the very first one. We didn’t do it as much on this one this year. But the first one, which was in October of 2022— we had our man march and I coined it taking the rainbow back because the rainbow was God’s symbol to us that he would not flood the earth again as he did when Noah had to build an ark. And now people hear or see a rainbow and they think of something that is completely opposite of the biblical view of the rainbow. And so I think it’s a great, great analogy. And one of those words that We need to bring the rainbow back. We’re going to take it back.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, we need to, instead of acquiescing, we need to be reclaiming these words. And there’s so many different words out there. What’s another one we should talk about?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I want to talk about my favorite one because it’s, well, it’s not my favorite one, but if it’s in the same vein of that in itself, then that is gay. You know, Jesus actually talked about being gayful and living our life happily. Well, the homosexual community hijacked that word. Homosexuality, the term would never be accepted by mainstream anything. But if you’re gay, you are. And so I think that it falls right in line with the rainbow. But that’s another word that’s been hijacked.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and how about a recent one? And that is by the O’Biden-Harris-Walls team, and that is joy. I love the word joy, but my, they have tainted that word right now, so we need to reclaim the word joy as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Seems like we’ve got a lot of reclaiming to do. We better get in charge of the Department of Reclamation.
SPEAKER 10 :
That is true. Speaking of departments, what’s your thoughts about DOGE? And that is Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. I’m thinking what we need to do is start a DOGE Department of Government Efficiency Colorado. So DOGE Colorado, and then we should start DOGE for each of our counties and each of our municipalities. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 06 :
I have zero faith in government, making government smaller. And to go about getting rid of bureaucracies, we create a new bureaucracy, that sounds just a little too extreme for me.
SPEAKER 10 :
But OK, so but Doge Colorado would be from we the people. And I think one of the first things we need to demand is no more government grants and loans, starting with grants. If we would stop all of these these grants, you can start with DEI, all of these things that are pushing agendas with our government. either our tax money or borrowing it from our kids, I think that’s a place to start because I really think that we are going to see a double down, Trent Luce, at the municipal, the county, and the state levels on the extreme agenda because at this particular point in time, they feel that they might be thwarted a little bit with the Trump agenda. And so I think you’re going to see the whole agenda, the 30 by 30 and all that. I think we’re going to see double down on that at the municipal, county, and state level.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can I forward half of my calls to you? Because what you said is exactly what has happened in the last two weeks. So where I was getting one or two calls a day, I’m now getting four to five calls a day where somebody is dealing with a situation where they’re accelerating this 30 by 30 agenda. or some other World Economic Forum plan to come in and erode our local control aspects. But with all of that said, I have developed this tremendous friend in New South Wales, Australia. Councillor Ingrid started watching Across the Pond, the TV program, and I was talking every day about local control, local control. She joined her local council, which is equivalent to our county commission, And they are now making an entire change in the Reconnect Rivers project where they were trying to deem land that is not even wetland as a wetland area and putting off limits to people. And it’s just a testament to what you just said about Doge, Colorado. We need to do all of these things at the local level and bring them up from the grassroots.
SPEAKER 10 :
And we can do that. That’s how this country was founded. It was everyday people. For example, Henry Knox, who got the cannons from Fort Ticonderoga, got them down to Boston. And what an affair that was to make that happen. But I think he was a bookseller in Boston. Yes. Here you have everyday people stepping up from the ground up, and they were able to stand up against the most powerful empire in the world. And they were able to… to prevail. And the reason is, is because they had their priorities and their values in the right place. And that was this vision that all men are created equal by God and these liberties from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And if we get ourselves in the right spot again, I think that we can reclaim our country.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Notice that those founding fathers said all men are created equal. And I don’t know who screwed that up in Wyoming. Probably was Wyatt in Wyoming gave women the right to vote in 1921. We had it going good till then.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re not the first person that has said to me that once women got the right to vote, that that’s where we were headed towards progressivism. So that’s why I talk with my sisters on a regular basis about these principles. And when they say that all men are created equal, they don’t mean men. They mean humankind. And that was something that I learned in my classical liberal education, public education when I was a kid. That was in the old days where you really learned how to read and write and do arithmetic in the public schools.
SPEAKER 06 :
You keep telling yourself, Kim, that it wasn’t women that screwed it up. Maybe you’ll get somebody to believe you.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s always a woman, isn’t it, Trent? It’s always a woman.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is always a woman. No doubt about it. Well, hey, want to talk about Eve? Let’s go to the Bible.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, talk about personal responsibility. Adam said, oh, she made me do it. So let’s talk a little bit about personal responsibility by the man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Women always hold the veto power.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s true. That’s true. So, OK, well, I never know where this conversation is going to go. So let’s get back to Christmas. And because of Adam and Eve, we needed a savior. And that Savior came to earth. I just got to think about just think about the night he was born. And again, the angels to the shepherds do not fear and what the skies look like that night. I can’t even imagine what it was like that night. It had to be amazing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you keep track of the North Star on a daily basis?
SPEAKER 10 :
Not really.
SPEAKER 06 :
I do. I taught our three daughters the North Star all the time. And I think the North Star is something that wasn’t just about the night Jesus was born, which, by the way, was apparently in September, not in December. And I’ve had many interesting discussions this week about whether that matters or not.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, but Bill Federer, I’ll tell you, Bill Federer has actually gone through the calendar and he makes a case that it really was Christmas Eve.
SPEAKER 06 :
Who’s done that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Bill Federer with the American Minute.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh. Oh. I would like to see that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. And we’re broadcasting that. Let’s see. I think we broadcast that pre-recorded. We broadcast that yesterday on Christmas Eve.
SPEAKER 06 :
Fantastic. OK, now I’m going to have to go back and catch it because I missed it.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is weird. We’re pre-recording. I know it’s a little it’s a little crazy. So, yeah, he was able to actually go through and biblically. That’s easy. biblically make the case that this is the correct date for Christ’s birth. So now we only have just a few seconds left before we get to our close. So anything else you want to do to wrap this up?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the close is going to be probably longer than you want it to be. Because I had, I’ve been trying to track this guy down for about six months. He’s been busy jet-setting around the United States. His name is Papa Jake. Jake Larson lives in Martinez, California. He was, on Friday, December 20th, last Friday, he was 102 years old. He planned, he was in on, he wasn’t the planner, but he was in on the planning of D-Day. He came out of D-Day without a scratch on his body. He is of such amazing sound mind and walked me back. And I just finished a three-day series with him. I got to tell you this, Kim, I said, Papa Jake, I need you for 20 minutes. Can you give me 20 minutes? He said, oh, just get it going. Let’s go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
65 minutes later, I said, Papa Jake, I got to go. I can’t keep doing this. But he gave me the quote. And you can attribute this to the World War II veteran. You can attribute this to the veteran. Or you can attribute this to Jesus. He said, Trent, they gave their lives so we could live ours.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, that is true. So, Trent Luce, that is perfect. I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, and we will talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can’t wait. Thanks, Kim.
SPEAKER 10 :
And my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
SPEAKER 07 :
If I don’t survive, I will fall.
SPEAKER 11 :
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