As President Trump’s tenure begins, so do discussions on significant political actions and polarizing public events. Today, we focus on an impassioned plea from a bishop during a prayer service, which brought Trump and the church into a collision of ideologies. We delve into the public’s visceral reactions on such matters, emphasizing the role of dissent in a thriving democracy, and the day’s headlines, including infrastructure initiatives and national security priorities.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior. From the Relief Factor studios, here’s Mike Deller.
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Trump’s first full day in office, and are we jam-packed with things to talk about on a Wednesday. Welcome in. My goodness. There is so much to wrap our brains around. The January 6th commutations and pardons are getting a lot of attention. We need to talk about that. The big infrastructure package that he launched, we need to talk about that with AI. His DEI fires, the security clearances being revoked, unleashing American energy, border security is a priority, all these executive actions. He’s changing the scope of government before our very eyes. And what a time, what a time to be president. Now, I might as well take my medicine. I’m going to take my lumps because one of the big news stories yesterday was this Bishop Budde of the Washington Church, or Budde, I don’t know how you pronounce her last name, B-U-D-D-E, lecturing Trump and Vance from the pulpit as they participated in a prayer service. And there’s been lots of emotion about it, lots of anger directed at the bishop. And my position is probably not going to be very popular, but that’s okay. I speak from the heart. And I remember getting in trouble over the Broadway cast lecturing Mike Pence because it didn’t bother me. Mike Pence got the same kind of lecture from, from a Broadway cast when he took his family to see a show, and Pence turned to his daughter and said, that’s what democracy sounds like. And that was okay. You know, I get concerned sometimes at the way each side doesn’t listen to the other side. I get concerned how we all think that and I’m guilty of this, believe me, that our way is the only way, and our belief is the way it has to be, and there’s no room for any dissent. I like dissent. I like debate. I like disagreement. And while it probably wasn’t the right time or place for this bishop, Some could argue asking an incoming president for compassion and mercy from a church pulpit is exactly the right time and place. Now, I know all about this bishop. She’s far left. She hates Trump. She’s alarmed at his presidency. And from a practical standpoint, I don’t even know why she would have been the one allowed to give the sermon. I would think they have teams of people who vet circumstances like that in advance so that Trump isn’t put in sort of an uncomfortable position. But I don’t think he was. And, of course, Trump being Trump, he responded. The way Trump, you would expect him to respond to her message. Here’s the message, in case you didn’t hear it. It was all over the news last night, so we’re going to spend a few minutes on it. And again, you’re probably going to disagree with me, and that’s okay. You’re not going to get an argument from me if you express outrage or righteous indignation over what the bishop did. So you’ve got President Trump and the First Lady, Melania. You’ve got J.D. Vance and the Second Lady, Usha, in the pews, along with the Trump family. And this bishop does a sermon. And she is a woke, leftist bishop. No question about it. Here’s what she said to Trump from the pulpit.
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In the name of our God, I ask you. to have mercy upon the people in our country. And we’re scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives. And the people, the people who pick our crops, and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals. They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. They pay taxes and are good neighbors. They are faithful members of our churches and mosques. synagogues, wadara, and temples. I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away, and that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, I know what you’re already saying, and I’m getting plenty of text messages. She needs to be removed. She was rude. She was out of place. And President Trump responded on Truth Social overnight. He said the so-called bishop who spoke was a radical left hardline Trump hater. She brought her church into the world of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone and not compelling or smart. She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our country and killed people. Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions. It’s a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA. Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one. She’s not very good at her job. She and her church owe the public an apology. Look, that’s his response, and I get that too. I don’t mind any of it. I don’t mind a back and forth. And I believe we ought to be willing to hear people who say, I’m afraid of what could come next. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s up to us to reassure people that they shouldn’t be afraid. If you haven’t broken the law, and you’re not here illegally, and you haven’t committed a crime, you have nothing to worry about. And Trump is not going to take… people in the LGBT community and put them in institutions or gulags or put them on an island. In fact, arguably Trump has hired more gay people in his cabinet and in top layers of the highest echelons of power. The Treasury Secretary is a gay guy married to a man with kids. That’s Trump’s Treasury Secretary. And you’re going to tell me he’s a homophobe? But it’s up to us to engage in people like this far-left woke bishop, hear her out, respond. It’s like the cast haranguing Mike Pence at the Broadway show. And Mike Pence turned to his daughter and said, this is what democracy sounds like, and I’m okay with that. I thought it was a great moment. I get it. Look, it was designed to take a shot at Trump. I get it. It was designed to try to embarrass him. I get it. I get all of that. And you’re not going to get an argument from me when you call 800-655-MIKE and yell at me. I’m just going to tell you in advance, don’t worry. I’m not going to disagree with you about how you feel viscerally about what that bishop did. But I also want us to consider the fact that dissent is okay. We shouldn’t shut down people who are nervous or afraid or worried or upset about the outcome. We didn’t like the four years of the Biden-Harris administration. And I wouldn’t have wanted to have any of us shut down. or disparage for how we feel. And, of course, they did. And we get it. And we should actually, with love, point out to this misguided bishop, what taxes do illegals pay? Oh, that’s right. Her side likes to say, well, they pay sales tax. They’ve got to buy things. And when they buy things, they inevitably have to – they’re not paying taxes. They don’t have Social Security cards. They’re taking health care benefits from American citizens. But it’s up to us to respond with facts and knowledge and, yes, with mercy and kindness and compassion. Nothing wrong with a bishop asking for mercy and compassion from the pulpit. I understand knowing who she is and what she is, a far-left activist, where she’s coming from. And it’s okay. It’s all right. And then Trump responded in kind. That’s good. It’s okay. Let’s not run from it. So, look, again, I know my position isn’t particularly unpopular. I want to give you plenty of opportunities to have your say. And the way you do it is 800-655-MIKE. One call gets you… You know, either a text or a phone call, one number does it all, 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Welcome aboard. It’s a Wednesday. We’re in the Relief Factor studios. Feel free to sound off, and let’s do what we like to do around here. Have some dissent. Have some discussion. Have some dialogue. Nothing wrong with it from where I sit. How about you? Let’s find out.
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Mike Gallagher.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I also want to make sure you know this story about the bishop is a giant distraction from some real important things that are happening in this country. And I promise you, we’re going to spend five minutes on this and we’re going to move on. Because I don’t want to kind of take the bait. And be distracted. But a lot of reaction, a lot of passion, a lot of emotion. Text message from San Antonio, Texas. Mike, you are spot on as a fellow conservative. I find your position refreshing. That’s why I love your show. You don’t always march lockstep with the… political talking point of the day. Thank you, San Antonio. But here’s Pennsylvania. Sadly, many in the Christian church have traded their Christian religion for the religion, quote unquote, of liberalism, communism, and even Marxism. Like many U.S. Jews, other than the Orthodox, have traded their Judaism for liberalism, communism, and Marxism. Ask Dennis Prager. And we’re also continuing to pray for Dennis as he continues to recover in the hospital from his very, very serious fall. Oklahoma, not okay. Should never use the pulpit for political reasons, not in the church. I’m disappointed the church would let her in the pulpit. And incidentally, that’s another big story about how the Episcopal Church has gotten so far left. And this is a great issue, too, on its own about the secularization and even the hijacking, some would say, of American churches. Here’s a question from Pennsylvania. How come the left is allowed to violate their own made-up statute of separation of church and state? And finally from Rhode Island. Mike, I totally agree with you. What a good pastor missed is that those folks are scared to death because the progressive left has misrepresented or exaggerated the president’s intended actions. Bingo. Absolutely true. Completely true. Jennifer is in Delaware, Ohio. Hi, Jennifer. How are you? Hi. How are you, Mike? I’m good. I’m good. Welcome to the show.
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Well, I love your show, and I agree with part of what you said. I do believe that we need to have conversation back and forth from both sides, and hopefully we can be civil about it. But I disagree with this being the opportunity for that, with a bishop using it for the prayer service. I feel like when you go into church and you’re having a prayer service, this should be about God and this should be about what we can do to glorify him and bring honor to him and what we can do to serve him. And the president is in a position where he can. do things to serve God.
SPEAKER 15 :
So that’s kind of where I’m at. No, totally get it. Again, I’m not going to disagree with anybody who doesn’t see this the way I do. I just like, people were mad at me about the Mike Pence thing. I like that. I like, okay, let the cast say, hey, Mr. Vice President, we’re afraid. We’re scared. What are you going to do? You’re a scary new era for us. And he said, this is what democracy sounds like. And I’m like, I’m okay with all that. Nothing wrong with that. That’s fine. We shouldn’t be afraid to talk or hear from people who don’t see the world the way we do. That’s all. We shouldn’t run from that. And look, they got their own headaches over there with this bishop. You look at some of her comments, especially in the past and over George Floyd and all of that. Look, she is who she is. Let’s just not pretend that these people aren’t Americans who, you know, are very anxious about the next four years. I think a little grace goes a long way. Speaking of George Floyd, I’ve got a really simple question. How many years are you supposed to go to prison for breaking a window? Or even, yes, assaulting a cop, something that I abhor. But how long? 100 years? 30 years? How many life sentences are you supposed to get? for developing a website. Let’s dive into this January 6th pardons and commutation debate next. There’s no better time than right now to call my friends at PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition to start your journey to a healthier you. As I hear from you about how PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition has changed your life, I know that each one of us has had our own reasons for starting. I started my journey because I gained enough weight and was ready to make a change. I sat down with Dr. Ashley Lucas, and like they say, the rest was history. I lost 53 pounds, and I’ve kept it off. We all have different reasons for starting. consultation call 864-644-1900 864-644-1900 or just go to myphdweightloss.com myphdweightloss.com
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The Mike Gallagher show where these people punished. Yes. Were they ruined financially? Yes. Did they spend time in jail? Yes. Have their lives been ruined? Absolutely. And one of you said earlier, Van, or Axe, that you think this sends a terrible signal that you can get away with things like this. As though we’ve never had a moment in recent American history when people were not punished for rampaging around when they shouldn’t have been. It was the summer of 2020.
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In the ReliefFactor.com studios, here’s Mike.
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Gosh, that’s Scott Jennings at CNN. He’s so good. He’s so good. He nailed it over this drama about the January 6th pardons and commutations. Got a nice text message from Matt in St. Louis. Wow, I just found your show while browsing through X, and I love everything you stand for. You’re my kind of conservative. A conservative with heart. That’s nice. And, you know, we are streaming on X, which is pretty cool. Low numbers today. What’s going on? It’s like a couple hundred, right? Come on. We’re going through all this work to stream on X for the first time. You got to, you know, feel free to engage. You know, as you’re driving around, you’re listening to us on the radio or you’re watching us on Salem News Channel or you got Samsung TV Plus pulled up and whatever. But if you’re on your computer or your smartphone… I mean, Christian is breaking his back to make this work. At Gallagher Show, that’s our handle on X, and we’re streaming. You know, I’ve seen a couple of other shows and networks stream, and I thought, why can’t we do the same thing? Let’s do it. Let’s try it. So we’re trying it. I think we got up to like 3,000 or 2,800 the other day. Let’s see if we can break some records. And all I ask is you follow me. And hundreds of people, we’ve got a lot of new followers this week because of our live stream. So we’re streaming the show on X at Gallagher Show. We’re still kind of tweaking it a little bit. We’re working out some of the kinks. But thank you, Matt, in St. Louis. I’m glad you found us, and I appreciate your kind words. You know, there’s a rumor that the reason some of these bishops and politicians… you know, are oblivious to the real world is they’re not all that smart. Now, I don’t want to say that the mayor of Philadelphia isn’t smart. I would never do that. I don’t know much about Sherelle Parker. But there’s a video clip that has gone viral of the mayor of Philly, Sherelle Parker, who’s very excited about her Philadelphia Eagles. They’re advancing in the playoffs. They beat the Rams. Now they’re playing the Washington Redskins. I won’t call them commanders. That’s stupid. They’re the Washington Redskins. And good for the Eagles as a longtime Cowboys fan. It’s a little hard for me to be happy for Philly, but then again, I know we’ve got a lot of people in our audience from Philadelphia. So people are very excited about their Eagles. I hope they don’t murder anybody in the playoffs. I hope the fans don’t, you know, riot. Because you Eagles fans, you are hardcore. You are a different breed. Throwing snowballs at Santa Claus. They’ll never live that down. Anyway, I give you the mayor of Philly. Back to my rule that a lot of people are just not all that smart. A lot of people in positions of prominence aren’t really as bright or as smart as we’d like to think they are. If you’re the mayor of a big American city like Philadelphia, you’d know how to spell the word eagles, right? It’s not a real tough word to spell. Let’s listen to the mayor, Mayor Shirell, trying to lead a cheer for her team.
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Let me hear you all say, E-L-G-L-E-S, Eagles!
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E-L-G. How do you spell Eagles again? One more time, Christian. The mayor of Philadelphia.
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Let me hear you all say, E-L-G-F-E-S, Eagles.
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Let’s go, Elgis. Let’s go, go, Elgis. Ma’am, that’s not how you spell Eagles. But then again, maybe you don’t have to be a good speller to be a mayor. E-L-G-S-E-S. Let’s go! Let’s go team! I mean, I hate to hear how she spells commanders. My gosh, it would be a crisis. All right, so the media is freaking out about the January 6th pardons and commutations. And that Scott Jennings nails it over on CNN. I mean, of course you’ve got Jamie Raskin. He’s come up with a theory. Trump wants an army, a reserve army of insurrectionists. That’s the reason he pardoned so many of them. Was it 1,500?
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1,600?
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This is hysterical. Check out Jamie Raskin on, where else, CNN.
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The question is, why are they being released? Are they being released as a reserve army of political foot soldiers to act on behalf of MAGA and Donald Trump? And I think that’s what’s so profoundly troubling to a majority of the American people who rejected the idea of freeing at least the violent criminals and the ones who are convicted of seditious conspiracy, which means conspiracy to overthrow the government.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ah, Jamie Raskin. He’s the gift that just keeps on giving. All you can do is laugh at these clowns. They’re such clowns. But, you know, Scott Jennings nailed it. Do we have the Scott Jennings clip that you guys played in the liner? I don’t see it on the cut sheet. Because he’s right. These people’s lives were ruined. They did lose everything. They have been to prison. Every one of them. How long do you want them to be in prison? Tell me. I’m all ears. What’s the proper punishment? What’s the proper punishment? I mean, here’s an exchange between Abby Phillips and Scott Jennings on CNN. And look, I get the criticism last week. J.D. Vance said, of course we shouldn’t pardon sentences of people who committed acts of violence. And it appears that some of the people who were violent on that day got a commutation or a pardon. I guess. I don’t know. I mean, I think it remains to be seen. But listen to this exchange on CNN between Abby Phillips, the CNN person, and the great Scott Jennings.
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Don’t you think there’s a difference between those two things? One of them was trying to overturn an election.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I mean, I’ll answer.
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You don’t think there’s a difference between trying to overturn an election and violent social justice protests?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, social justice, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ll give it to you, Scott. Let’s say that they’re violent. You don’t think there’s a difference between trying to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power and violent riots in the street of any kind, the ones in 1968, the ones in 2020?
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I think both groups of people were mad about something going on They wanted to change it. They took matters into their own hands that they should not have done. In both cases, you had people engaging in activities that they should not have engaged in. Now, our culture and our public discourse decided one group of people, social justice is good and these people were bad. But the reality is they had the same motivation.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, he’s so right. Why in the world, Abby Phillips is suggesting, if you burn down a McDonald’s or assault a cop because a black guy named George Floyd died, that’s okay. But if you are upset about an election and you’re in Washington, D.C., and you break a window, go to jail for 100 years. And Scott Jennings says one wrong doesn’t justify the other. Here’s Arthur Idalla, a friend of mine, a lawyer from New York City, also appearing on CNN. And, you know, he makes the same point. How do you justify the BLM riots and then express righteous indignation when Trump says, all right, enough is enough. These people have been in jail for years. Let them go.
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There were people… In protest. They were not riots. They were protests. And there were people who showed up at the protest and did bad behavior. But that was because a man was murdered unjustly. That doesn’t give you the right to break into the Nike store.
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That doesn’t give you the right to break into Tiffany’s. How about you let me finish?
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, what a great point that what? Oh, well, a man was murdered. So there were people. See, see the mindset of the loony left. That’s why they’re upset. They’re perfectly fine with white Trump supporters rotting in jail forever, for the rest of their lives, and they’re perfectly fine with people of color who rioted over George Floyd. That’s different to them. And Scott Jennings’ point is, it’s the same thing. You don’t get to take matters into your own hands. You don’t get to riot, whatever the reason. And the punishment should be equitable. The punishment should be the same. If you assault a cop, it shouldn’t matter if you’re doing it. Your motivation doesn’t matter. You assaulted a cop. So if there’s no punishment for assaulting a cop over George Floyd, then the punishment for the January Sixers has been quite enough. They’ve already been in jail for years. Let’s see if you disagree. Let’s find out. 800-655-MIKE. One open line. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Join us. You know, there’s a cross that Mike Lindell of MyPillow wears around his neck. And for years, people have said, Mike, can we get that cross? And so I’m real proud to share with you that MyPillow is now offering the MyCross necklace. It’s a beautiful sterling silver cross, onyx-styled black enamel with a protective clear coat, mother-of-pearl-styled translucent white enamel. They’ve got a men’s size and a ladies’ size. The MyCross necklace is now available for you at MyPillow.com. If you go to MyPillow.com, look for the Mike Gallagher specials and click on that box. You’re going to get a huge discount. I mean, big-time discount. In fact, you’re going to get, I think, $30 less of a price than what is available on the MyPillow site if you don’t go to MySquare. So if you want a beautiful gift, if you want to remind yourself what matters, if you want the same cross, it’s the same cross that Mike Lindell wears every day whenever you see him on TV, This cross is now available for you. And you’re going to get a huge discount when you enter the promo code MikeG. So go to MyPillow.com, look for the Mike Gallagher specials, click on that box, and then find the MyCross. There’s also all kinds of great items to get you the best night’s sleep of your life. Just don’t forget to enter the promo code MikeG so you’ll save big. And you’ve got to go to that square. Go to MyPillow.com, look for the Mike Gallagher specials, click on that box, and then with anything you order, enter the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com, promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me. For the best night’s sleep in the whole wide world, visit MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG.
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Mike Gallagher.
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There’s so much misinformation about January 6th and so many lies and so many distortions. And there’s one person that millions turn to for honest, accurate reporting. Julie Kelly has been a contributor to American Greatness, has written for tons of publications. And she has covered January 6th like nobody else. And we thought it would be a great day to invite Julie Kelly to join us back on the Mike Gallagher Show. How have you been, Julie?
SPEAKER 10 :
Good, Mike. Thanks for having me on. I just want to let you know I’m not with American Greatness anymore, but people can find my work at Declassified with Julie Kelly, my Substack, and also Real Clear Investigations.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that’s important. Declassified with Julie Kelly. People talk about Substack. I had somebody tell me a couple weeks ago, there’s no more important contributor and participant in the Substack world than Julie Kelly. So thanks for letting us know. Declassified with Julie Kelly, right? Declassified.live?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. Thank you, Mike. Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
You bet. Thanks for the correction, Julie. I appreciate you so much. And look, let’s start with, I asked a simple question and no one can, people are giving me lots of answers. What is the proper punishment for breaking a window at the Capitol? What is the proper punishment for assaulting a police officer if you do it out of frustration, as a caller tried to say a moment ago over George Floyd, or frustration over the outcome of an election. This whole thing is impossible to keep up with. Give me your take on where these defendants and these January Sixers are now, and give us a 35,000-foot view of the way this whole process has gone with President Trump’s clemency for 1,500 of them.
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So, Mike, it’s really important to emphasize that this is not how clashes with police in the nation’s capital or even vandalism is handled in Washington, D.C. Breaking a window at the Capitol or breaking a window on government property is a misdemeanor in Washington, especially if it results in less than $1,000 and you get charged locally and usually sort of a slap on the wrist. You’re not sent to federal prison for years. Assaults on police officers also always handled by the superior court in Washington, which is the local court, not the federal courthouse. Same with these misdemeanors. You know, Mike, early on, the chief judge, Beryl Howell, said she wasn’t sure how to deal with the most common misdemeanor, which is parading at the Capitol. She said, this is a petty offense, a class B misdemeanor. We never handle these. But nonetheless, went ahead forward, handling them, refusing to dismiss that count and sending people to prison on that. So if you get in a scuffle with a police officer in the course of a political demonstration in Washington and you shove a police officer, you’re screaming at a police officer, you grab his baton or his riot shield, yes, that should definitely result in some sort of punishment. But it’s never handled this way. You don’t end up in a federal prison for years. is a veteran who is a former law enforcement official with a clean criminal record like Thomas Webster, who got into a scuffle with police because that officer, D.C. Metro, was shoving a woman down the stairs outside of the Capitol, not even inside. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison. There is no comparison how the court system and the DOJ has handled J6 protesters, not only in Washington, across the country, Mike. That’s why it was such a courageous and compassionate move by the president to pardon everyone, because he recognized how unfair these trials were, the proceedings from the very beginning, and that these people finally deserve justice and to be made whole. And that’s exactly what the president did on Monday.
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Do you agree with Axios’ reporting that Trump, his sweeping pardons for the 1500 January Sixers, were kind of a last-minute, rip-the-bandage-off decision to try to move past the issue quickly? In fact, behind the scenes, according to a source to Axios, President Trump kind of said, look, we’re going case by case. The team wrestled with the issue, and Trump finally said, blanket, release them all. Do you think that’s accurate reporting?
SPEAKER 10 :
I do. And Mike, I did speak with the president last week for about 40 minutes as he was trying to get some granular grasp on exactly what the latest was with the J6 prosecution. He understands how unfair, like I said, he’s been meeting with these families for over two years. He’s heard their horror stories. He’s met with the children of defendants and how this has destroyed their lives. And so he feels very personally about it. And so, yes, rip the Band-Aid off Because why continue this painful process? Put it in the lap of Attorney General Pam Bondi. This was the right thing to do. And now he’s getting pushback from media, even conservative media, shamefully the Wall Street Journal, with a really egregious editorial today regurgitating talking points from the Department of Justice, talking about how he shouldn’t have pardoned these individuals. So he is getting pushback. He was getting resistance to this, but he did the right thing. And this also is completely covered up Joe Biden’s last minute pardons, right? So the media is not asking these Republican senators about Joe Biden pardoning the entire J6 committee, the members and the staffers and the four lying, crying police officers, not asking about pardoning his brother and sister-in-law members of his family. They’re only worried about someone who is pardoned. for getting in a fight with a police officer four years ago. Our media is an absolute disgrace. The conservative media also is a disgrace. And these Republican senators speaking out against it as well. They have no idea what they’re talking about.
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We’re visiting with the lady that I believe is the most important voice in coverage of this January 6th episode, Julie Kelly. Get her on Substack, declassified with Julie Kelly. President Trump has got a calculation here that this will be sort of a short-lived situation. you know, escapade. I think that calculation is correct. People aren’t obsessed with it. But nonetheless, his critics are going to use this as a tool, as a weapon. They’re going to try to bludgeon him with this over and over again. But I think even they kind of dry up and go away, don’t they?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think they do. And I think these Republican senators who are speaking out about this, Thomas Tildes, for example, who’s up for reelection next year, Lisa Murkowski, of course, always can depend on her. for criticizing the president, even people like Mike Rounds. Look, what’s really shameful to hear these Republican senators is that this has happened to their own constituents. They have sat in silence while this DOJ, Joe Biden’s DOJ and Chris Wray’s FBI has gone on this crusade of terror across the country, mostly nonviolent misdemeanor offenses. And they’ve said nothing until now. And now they’re worried about people being unfairly charged and prosecuted with assaulting police officers when they couldn’t even tell you one case, except the talking points that the former DOJ spinmeisters are sending out. Really shameful that they have allowed this to go on and now criticizing them. So they will be hopefully held accountable by their own voters. But Mike, also the entire J6 narrative unraveling. I think there will be a separate investigation into January 6th. We will finally get answers as to how many FBI informants and undercover employees from other law enforcement agencies were involved? What happened to the pipe bomber? Who was that person? And what happened to all the missing Secret Service texts that were deleted after January 6th that were never recovered? Why were they purged? Why were they never recovered? And what did they say about what was happening leading up to January 6th and on that day?
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, we believe, we used to believe in the concept the punishment needs to fit the crime. And, of course, that went right out the window with all the hysteria because, of course, the left and the Democrats used January 6th as a political weapon. They politicized the whole thing. And, thankfully, common sense prevails. And, look, Julie Kelly, you’re a national treasure. I’m so grateful to you for your work. Always great. I know how busy you are, and I want to thank you. I hope everybody follows you on Substack. Declassified with Julie Kelly. I say this to all the guests I like, but I sure mean it with you in particular, right out of the Bible. Julie, keep fighting the good fight. Thanks, Julie. Thanks, Mike. Will do. More coming. What a great, great voice for this, and we’re lucky to have her. Julie Kelly, here on the Mike Gallagher Show.
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SPEAKER 17 :
Mike Gallagher. Every day Mike visits with Mark Davis. Morning host on 660 AM The Answer in Dallas. Here’s today’s M&M experience.
SPEAKER 16 :
And God bless you, my friend. How you doing? How’s it working out for you? 44 hours in? You doing okay? Everything good?
SPEAKER 15 :
Look, when I watched President Trump tell Peter Alexander from NBC, stop interrupting me, I thought, we’re so back. And Peter Alexander said, you’re right. I apologize, sir. I loved it. Just incredible. It’s hard to believe that we’re back, but we are back in a major way. And, gosh, he is, as promised, shock and awe. I mean, it’s a fire hose of, you know, DEI firings.
SPEAKER 16 :
Birthright citizenship, gone. Green New Deal, gone.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hostages coming home. Lake and Riley Act passed. I mean, Marco Rubio, I’m a little nervous. Ninety nine to nothing. Whoa. I mean, that was great. But on the other hand, what are the why do the Democrats like him? Makes me nervous. Either.
SPEAKER 16 :
OK, listen, that’s a natural that’s a natural conservative instinct. It’s a natural talk radio instinct. Wait a minute. If a Democrat thinks it’s OK, it must be terrible, which, by the way, often works. I think this, though, is that they just have. They have no arrow in their quiver. It’s not Pete Hegseth who has a couple of things you can go after. It’s not RFK Jr.
SPEAKER 14 :
who has a couple of things you can go after. It’s just so obvious.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let’s talk about Pete Hegseth for a moment. So NBC runs with a hit piece yesterday. I saw it. He was allegedly abusive towards his second wife. They go to the wife and she said, nope, not true. Your information is wrong. No, he wasn’t. But there’s a sister-in-law who’s got an ax to grind. And so, you know, look, anybody who’s been through divorce and it is a tough, awful thing for everybody involved, there can be awful things that are said during a contentious divorce. And that’s what this seems to be. But if the wife is not willing to say there was anything, why not believe her? Oh, no, that doesn’t slow NBC down. So they do the hit piece. Oh, the sister-in-law. And you know what the sister-in-law said? Did you see her quote? Her line was, I was assured that if I brought this forward, senators who are on the fence about confirming him will vote against him.
SPEAKER 16 :
So it’s about her. She’s making it about her.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mark, that was exactly what she said. I was assured that if I tell my story, the ones on the fence will vote against him. It is all about her pound of flesh. Oh. And it’s sickening. And I look, I’m now I’m real invested in hoping that he gets in. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
Just because so much of it is because these people are inherently good, inherently valuable, real change agents for the better. And but the other part is just listen, I call it what you want. Own the libs, accountability, reckoning. I am loving it, loving it, loving it. OK, we got two little micro stories of sort of Trump 2.0 little snapshots. I’m going to give you the choice of which one to do first. We may have slightly different takes. I don’t know. Do you want to do the liberal bakery in Flower Mound or the so-called prayer service? Which one you want to do first?
SPEAKER 15 :
Let’s talk about the prayer service.
SPEAKER 16 :
President Trump tore into this. I just played the Bishop Marianne Booty.
SPEAKER 15 :
And Trump ripped into her, of course, on Truth Social. He said the so-called bishop who spoke at the prayer service was a radical left hardline Trump hater, and all of that is true. But her message – and I’m going to get in trouble on this because it reminds me of the time when a Broadway cast – lectured Mike Pence from the stage. It’s the same exact… For me, it’s the same exact story. And I got in trouble back then, too, because I wasn’t really bothered by that exchange. And let me tell you why. When the cast members, when Mike Pence brought his daughters and whatever to see a show, and this was right after the election… And they gave him the same kind of lecture. We’re afraid. Please be mindful of us. Blah, blah, blah, blah. First of all, he stood there and listened to every word. He did not walk out like he could have because it was at the curtain call. It would have been real easy for him to leave. He listened to every word. And then he turned to his daughter and famously said, this is what democracy sounds like. And I thought that is such a magnificent moment. Whatever you think of Mike Pence, the fact that he acknowledged dissent and recognized that there are people in the country who don’t like our agenda. Just like we don’t like their agenda, they don’t like ours. And we shouldn’t be afraid to hear them. And Trump isn’t afraid of dissent. That’s why he stands in a press room and loves to go toe-to-toe with all of them. So this bishop, while you could argue all day long, and I get it, it was inappropriate to do it in church. How was she not vetted? But her message at a church pulpit was, Mr. President, please have mercy and compassion. And you know something, Mark, that’s nothing wrong with there’s nothing wrong with that. And Trump’s a big boy and he can take it.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is enormously right. You need me so desperately right now, as you did when you covered for this ridiculous cast lecturing Mike Pence from a Broadway stage. First of all, wrapping yourself in prayer in a pulpit is vastly different. But let’s return to how horribly wrong you were in that Broadway example where they they excuse me, bitched at Mike Pence. Did he gracefully take it? This is back when we all liked Mike Pence. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. And you’re right. He turned a negative into a positive. That should absolutely never have happened. If you want to go out the back theater door and talk about what a dog you think Mike Pence is, knock yourself out. To do that was unbelievably rude and a perversion of free speech. Just because you have the right to say something doesn’t mean you should. Ditto, especially five. times over on steroids with this bishop who chose to wrap herself in the word of God while lecturing the president and vice president. Of course, we should all be compassionate, Mike. Of course, we should all behave in scriptural, brotherly, sisterly ways. Of course, you’re a thousand percent right. But the supposition of this political screed from this bishop From this bishop was that you guys, your positions are bad. Your positions are evil. You are evil because she believes that the only way to be right and the only way to be moral is to think there are 47 genders and to let every single human being with a pulse across the border. Screw her. It was terrible. And you need to open your eyes to that a little bit.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’re not going to try to force me to feel the way you do about something, but I’m not going to argue with you. I totally understand completely your position.
SPEAKER 14 :
I understand you, too.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I know I’m swimming upstream on this, and I’m sure I’ll get a lot of flack for it, but it’s how I feel. First of all, and for the record, and again, don’t take this as an argument, you’re interpreting what she said. She didn’t say any of the things you said she said. She did not say any of the things you said she said.
SPEAKER 16 :
Mike, don’t be this dumb. A member of the clergy talking about, oh, the LGBTQ people, they are scared to death. Of what? Of you, Mr. Trump. Of you, Mr. Vance. And giving us this lecture of how wonderful all the illegals are. That’s an attack on them. Come on.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mark, what she said was, I ask you to have mercy on those who are in fear, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER 16 :
It presumes that their conservatism is something from which people deserve mercy. You’re presuming that.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re darn right I am. And make no mistake, you’re completely correct. I know exactly who she is. She has been on record as bashing him before. Right. She is a far left. And incidentally, there’s an interesting, I think, issue about the Episcopal Church and what it is. You know, that’s that’s a whole different. And look, you could say that about Methodist churches, too. So there’s that’s another issue altogether. Again, I’m not I’m not even going to disagree with you, Mark. I respect.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let’s flip the script. Let’s flip the screens. Here’s one where you might be a little more red meat than me. And I described this in the first half as well. The ultra-liberal Hive Bakery and Flour Man. They went off on MAGA people in their community. So apparently what was happening is that they were getting a bunch of calls ordering cakes. Hey, will you guys do a MAGA cake? And you know what the source material is of this. It’s all the bakers that got calls from people to do transgender reveals and stuff. and gay weddings that they didn’t want to do. And did they have a First Amendment right to refuse that business? I believe they did. You believe they did. The court system is generally believe they did. So I think this bakery kind of got trolled by a lot of people who said, hey, make me 37 MAGA cakes. And people had no intention of coming by. They just wanted to put their shiv in the ribs of the liberal bakery. That having been said, this speaking of a screed, here’s the lady who owns the bakery who writes as follows. And I’ll hand it to you, Mike Gallagher. I’ve received multiple phone calls, emails, and DMs from MAGA and our community asking us to make Trump cakes. It’s always the response we get when we post liberal baked goods. It’s never surprising. They don’t really want to order anything. It’s just about harassment. All these bogus inquiries came this week, but therefore we denied all the requests. Not because it’s Trumpy-esque they want made, but because we’re booked up for weeks. Custom work requires notice. They love to cry about it, pretend they’ve been denied because we discriminate. It’s a lie. They love to tell people we charge higher prices for Trump stuff. That’s a lie. They love to whine and complain and harass and taunt and belittle and fabricate and pollute everything they touch. That’s who these people are. And we’re so thankful they never visit Hive Bakery. even though the criminal they voted for one, they still come for us like children, the schoolyard insults. It’s never enough. They’re bullies. The people who reside here in this town are garbage. Feel free to sift through the comments on your own. You’ll see them at the end of the day. We’re just a booked up bakery hustling to be the best around. And these people aren’t fit to lick our spoons. Wow. So last thing is I hand it to you. Uh, it, I think if you take the high ground, she could have scored more points, but she hates them as much as some of the ragtag people hate her. So this was just so unnecessary. Let me offer it up to you.
SPEAKER 15 :
What’s your thought on the bakery? I’m confused by it, to be honest with you, and I don’t think we have any disagreement. This lady, who apparently owns a bakery in Flower Mound, says that the people who live in Flower Mound are garbage. Now, explain that to me. You’re in business to sell a product.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, the people, the specific people who have come after her and who have been taunting her. Well, is that what she means? I mean, I didn’t get that. These people. She’s been talking about the people who have been giving them online. Read that sentence again if you don’t mind. Even though they still come at us like children with schoolyard insults. Read the line about the people who are garbage. These people. People she just referred to. These people who reside here in this town are absolute garbage. Because obviously, plenty of libs in Flower Mound Visitor, and she loves them.
SPEAKER 15 :
It just strikes me as such a peculiarity to own something. You’re in the customer service business, and you want to spit all over probably more than half of the community. You know, you only want to serve… cupcakes to a fraction, because it’s flour-mounted. This is not exactly Berkeley. And so I just don’t get it. I wonder, and I always wonder about this, and I’m sure they’re getting, just like the Bishop is getting enormous pushback, I guarantee you this bakery is getting enormous pushback right now. And I don’t know why they opt to do, why anybody would opt to do this.
SPEAKER 16 :
Does she have the right not to make a MAGA cake? No. Yeah, absolutely. She doesn’t want to make a mock. If God help us, Kamala had one. Could you would we be speaking up in favor of a conservative bakery saying, you know, we just we just.
SPEAKER 15 :
But it’s not a right. It’s not a rights issue. It’s why would you intentionally alienate a community? Why do you do that? I mean, because is the flack worth it? I guarantee you she’s having a bad day right now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Guaranteed. Is she? Because I think I think the answer to your to your question is I think they’ve they’ve occupied a lane. They have a niche that they are the lib Biden loving, Beto loving, rainbow flag loving bakery. And yeah, but nobody wants a bunch of that.
SPEAKER 15 :
But nobody wants a bunch of angry residents blowing up your social media site and maybe calling your shop and all that.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s a great point because they can be that political bakery without being so mean about it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Keep your head down and don’t be so nasty. And just because people are nasty to you, then you’re going to turn around and say, well, I’ll show them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you. Exactly right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there might be somebody in Flower Mound who happens to be a Trump supporter who likes the bakery. But by the way, they’ll never darken their door. Exactly right. Ever.
SPEAKER 14 :
And a whole bunch of people will.
SPEAKER 15 :
And so, you know, look, like you always say, let the free market prevail. You get to go to whatever bakery. And I wish we had more time. I know we’re almost out. But gosh, these January 6th pardons, I’ve got a simple, very plain question. How many years should somebody go to jail for assault? 20? And then if you’re going to say 20, then go talk about the cops who were assaulted after George Floyd.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s it. And that’s Trump’s point. Trump’s point is, look, you know, I’m sure Trump’s attitude is, I don’t like people fighting cops or breaking windows. But these people have already been in jail for years. How many more years are you going to live? What about the guy that had the website, the dark website? He pardoned that guy. Do you know much about this story, Ross Ulbrecht? That guy had two life sentences. Mm-hmm. What, for a website that people misused? I know. Come on. And a lot of people are saying, praise God. So, you know, again, it’s going to be… But how about… I got chills. We’ve all had cancer in our life. Lord knows I’ve had loved ones that have been down that road, you know, too many times to think about. And there was Larry Ellison from Oracle and Trump on a podium yesterday talking about how AI can be successfully implemented to catch… cancer early and save maybe millions of lives. AI scares me, but AI used the right way can be just an absolute godsend. And now here’s Trump investing in this huge AI infrastructure that could save lives by blood tests that AI can show early signs of cancer. What a time to be alive. What a time to be alive. A golden age, my friend. It is. So let me go get my licks and let me get my head taken off.
SPEAKER 16 :
Don’t even bring this up on your own show. I’m doing coffee cake recipes in my home today.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s all I’m doing. I’m avoiding it like the plague.
SPEAKER 14 :
I love you. I’m going to be safe.
SPEAKER 17 :
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