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In addition to the geopolitical discourse, the episode marks the launch of the Life and Liberty Drive, an initiative aimed at supporting pro-life pregnancy resource centers. Highlighting the stark contrast between media narratives and on-the-ground realities, Sekulow emphasizes the vital importance of reinforcing pro-life efforts amid a climate of misinformation. Listen in as the show unites community voices, political insights, and fundraising efforts to make a meaningful impact.
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We got breaking news. Zelensky says he wants to sign the mineral deal, but Trump says no deal.
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Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110.
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And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. This is Logan Sekulow. Will Haynes joining me in studio. Rick Grinnell joining us later in the broadcast. Have some big breaking news. And today’s also the launch of our Life and Liberty Drive. And we have some really big pro-life news. Something we’ve been working on for nearly a year. Since last summer, we’ve been working on this project. You got us here. We’re going to reveal all of it. This week, including in our third segment of the day, we’re going to really break that down. But well, the big news today, you may have woken up to see the news that, hey, President Zelensky says, you know what, maybe I will go do that mineral deal. And here’s what I said. I said, you know, we’re seeing these heated that heated argument happened live while we were on air on Friday. This is not uncommon in the workplace. This is not uncommon in business. There are heated debates and arguments. The difference is we saw this in front of a crowd. We saw this in front of the press. We were able to capture it on video the first time we’ve seen a president act this way. And then you have a moment where President Zelensky goes, hey, it’s not that bad. This isn’t that bad with America. Maybe we do want to do that mineral deal. And then there was a response, and that response essentially said, no dice, we’re not moving forward right now. That’s right.
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So Vladimir Zelensky posted on X a thread where he said that he is ready to move forward with signing this deal that he’s prepared to do this he said he was grateful for trump and congress for bipartisan support of ukraine through this three-year invasion and he acknowledged that there was tough dialogue with the white house but he also didn’t leave it at that he said that he wants the u.s to stand more firmly on our side and that the deal alone is not enough stating that a ceasefire without security guarantees is dangerous for Ukraine and the Ukrainian people need to know that America is on our side. So while he’s saying he’s still willing to do that, he still doesn’t have necessarily the best praise for it. He’s saying that America needs to do more, which is kind of what got him in trouble on Friday. But the Treasury Secretary, who was the author of this minerals deal, who kind of came up with the concept with the president, He said that all President Zelensky has to do is come in and sign this economic agreement and again show no daylight between the Ukrainian people and the American people. But that’s not currently on the table because of how Zelensky is portraying this. He also said that this was a sequencing issue. You know, it was to show to the Russians that America and Ukraine are in some ways more intertwined because now there’s a huge economic deal and that you have to go through that to then get to the peace deal. You can’t have a peace deal without the economic deal. And then he said that Zelensky threw a wrench in this by throwing off that sequence and that their entire point was to show there is no daylight between the Americans and the Ukrainians on this.
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I think we do need to adjust our, or the way we’re thinking about this, because I think there is some thought that if you have issues with Ukraine, you’re now all of a sudden pro Putin or pro Russia. When obviously that’s not the case. Now you’ll see the celebrity bases. You’ll see the people who really want very basic talk. I saw a lot of people just saying, well, because Trump is against it. Now they’re against it. That is how it feels. It feels like another political media talking point. Uh, and look, Good for Zelensky. He rallied up all of Europe to say, we’re going to get behind you. You know what? The dude’s pretty good about that. He’s pretty good at being a master at getting people behind him. He did it again to the American people. The people, I’m not talking about the celebrities, the media culture. And he did it for Europe. The UK is saying they’ll send boots on the ground to Ukraine. But you know what else we found out? It’s not the first time it got heated between a president and Zelensky. And we’re going to talk about that coming up. Maybe something you don’t remember because it wasn’t highly reported as a, you know, earth shattering moment. It wasn’t a World War III-inducing moment, but there are moments from just a few years ago where maybe very similar things were happening. I’d love to hear from you also, 1-800-684-3110, as today we launch our Life & Liberty Drive for the month of March. This is a critical moment. You get your gifts doubled right now. We’re gonna go through all of the details, including our brand new campaign, our pro-life campaign that we have been building upon for the last 10 months or so. I cannot wait for you to see it. It’s incredible. Let’s join together. Go to ACLJ.org or scan that QR code on your screen right now. Welcome back to Secular. We are going to take your calls at 1-800-684-3110. Again, today as we launch our Life and Liberty Drive for the month of March. I know it’s a busy month for a lot of you. Headed to spring break next week and the next few weeks for a lot of people in this country. It’s a great time to support the work of the ACLJ because all of your gifts. are doubled it’s a critical moment and you get your gifts doubled we are talking about that breaking news item where president trump says i don’t care really in the administration saying right now that deal is off the table with you zielinski after what happened on friday obviously we know we’ve all seen it now a lot of times as jd vance president trump And Zelensky had a pretty heated conversation. And here’s what we know about Zelensky is, as of right now, it doesn’t seem like he wants to push forward with any sort of deal that really involves peace, that involves ending the war. Now, we know President Trump, that’s his number one concern is to end the war. That can easily be spun, by the way. I think we need to be careful. Easily be spun as some pro-Russia, pro-Putin propaganda piece. I think you need to be careful. Separate yourself from that. here’s the deal this is not the first time president zielinski has rubbed a president the wrong way has been in a moment where all uh chaos has broken out it just didn’t happen in front of the cameras it didn’t happen in front of the press pool you may not remember back in 2022 this happened to i don’t know president joe biden after such a big ask and a big gift essentially from america to ukraine guess what president biden how he felt he felt President Zelensky was ungrateful and didn’t even say thank you. Have you heard that before? Is that something you’ve heard before? You know why? Because this is part of global politics. And if you want my proof, we’re going to flash it back to NBC back in 2022.
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Yeah, that’s right, Kate. So in this conversation, President Biden called President Zelensky to tell him about a roughly $1 billion package of additional equipment and weapons for the Ukrainian military coming from the United States. During the course of the call, President Zelensky continued, according to a number of officials who we spoke with who are familiar with the call, President Zelensky continued to talk about the additional equipment and weapons and support that he and his military needed. According to these officials, they said that President Biden finally just got frustrated and lost his temper and told President Zelensky, look, you could be a little bit more grateful. The reason that this story is interesting to us and is something that we are reporting on and officials are speaking to us about is because it shows that all these months ago, President Biden already realized that there was going to be a point where the American people, members of Congress, where people would start potentially pushing back on all these billions and billions of dollars of aid and equipment that the U.S. has been providing to Ukraine. And he knew that the narrative out there needed to be that the Ukrainian people and President Zelensky were grateful for it if this was good.
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I mean, that was a flashback for 2022. You could easily swap out the words Biden with Trump and have almost the exact same conversation. The difference is, is it wasn’t a global crisis.
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that’s right I would say it wouldn’t be the exact same conversation because whenever you do swap those words out the narrative and the agenda of the media changes you saw people like the New Yorker having writers say this was an ambush I’ve never seen something so disgraceful and you can go down the line of media talking heads that were losing it over this entire thing that this was not America this is what people voted for this is this is horrible I can’t believe you would do this you’d embarrass this world leader and in reality that their previous president did the exact same thing on a phone call and for the exact same reasons saying he wasn’t grateful that he was concerned that the American people were going to lose their patience And what have we seen? All that come to fruition. Zelensky obviously didn’t take Biden’s caution on this or it didn’t work with President Biden scolding him or losing his temper on a phone call. But when Trump does it, Because Zelensky tried to provoke him by starting to relitigate the war and give a history lesson in the Oval Office in front of the cameras. And President Trump and Vice President Vance said, we’re not going to take that. They lost their temper. Actually, I thought they played it pretty cool in the way that they were just very forceful in setting the record straight and saying, you need to be more grateful. You’re coming in here making more demands. And we’re here to talk about something completely different. That meeting could have been very short. Many times those meetings with the world leaders in the Oval Office are fairly short. They say a couple things, the press leaves, and they get down to business. But Zelensky tried to take it and capitalize on the cameras being there, make it a moment for himself to try to get sympathy. And President Trump and J.D. Vance were not going to stand for it. And the fact that the media is having so much outrage peddling going on over the weekend is so shocking when there’s a reason it wasn’t front page news everywhere when President Biden lost his temper. That’s because it was President Biden. He’s allowed to. President Trump can do zero right in the eyes of the U.S. media.
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I want to go ahead and take a call. I’d like to go to Bill in Wyoming. He’s watching on ACLJ.org, which is a great place to watch, by the way. If you’re just listening, you can watch on ACLJ.org as well as YouTube, Rumble, and on the Salem News channel. You can also catch us on Facebook and X. Just want to make sure you knew all the options. You can watch us live every day from noon to 1 p.m. Eastern. Part of your donation goes to support this work, and that work is also producing this show. I mean, incredible team here. Dozens of people that work on just this hour each and every day. Thank you, Bill. You’re on the air.
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Hi, thanks for taking my call. First of all, I’m letting you know as soon as I get the money, I’m going to participate in this.
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Appreciate it, Bill.
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Anyway, I watched that video, and first thing I thought was, this is really embarrassing. He was acting like a little kid, as far as I can see. And it seems to me, after thinking about it, It sounded like he was thinking, Zelensky was thinking he was talking to Biden again.
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Yeah, it certainly felt like a change in tone. But then when you actually go back and look at it, I think the response is, it’s just not how Joe Biden necessarily would respond in front of cameras. Zelensky would actually say pretty similar things. He would make a lot of demands. He would make a lot of demands in front of Congress, in front of the Oscars or wherever it was he was speaking. We’ve talked about this, Will, that he has not been afraid to be the world’s greatest salesman in that sense. And I’m not saying, look, I’m not saying pro or against here. If you want to talk about someone who actually goes and advocates for their country and getting the money that they need or they think they need to fight, He does a darn good job at it. He’s done it for now for three years on the biggest global stages. He has taken Ukraine from a no one knew the name of the president of Ukraine to now we know the whole backstory. We know the family. We know all of the stuff they’ve gone through. We know how Russia is involved. And now we’re seeing it. We know why he doesn’t wear a suit. We know all of those things. We have been educated. And I have to say, If you’re going to say that there is something that can be gleaned from from President Zelensky is he is a salesman for Ukraine first policy. He goes and makes the ask. He is not afraid to say, hey, Give us money.
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Give us support. That’s right. And when you look at his track record, especially with more left-leaning governments, he’s done a very good job of it. And he’s capitalized on the fact that Russia became an American boogeyman back in 2016 when it came to the Russia hoax. So, in many people’s minds there is no greater evil on this planet than putin and russia i think that could be debated but yes i think there is a lot of evil that comes out of russia itself but once again coming to the oval office and sitting there and making demands and trying to almost talk down to the president of the united states by trying to re-litigate the war is not going to be a winning strategy with this president And it’s not like Zelensky hadn’t had some sort of relationship with the former Trump administration. I mean, there’s bad blood there because maybe a certain phone call is what led the Democrats in Congress to try to chase down an impeachment hoax.
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It was a perfect phone call.
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I mean, it was great. But so I think that he should at least give himself a history lesson and know some context of what is going on in American politics right now. And I think our former colleague, Tulsi Gabbard, director of national intelligence, she said this on Fox News. And I think it sums up perfectly the way you see him pushing. This is brand new. This is brand new. This is from just over the weekend. Said this about Zelensky after the meeting. This is by date.
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President Zelensky has different aims in mind. He has said that he wants to end this war, but he will only accept an end, apparently, that leads to what he views as Ukraine’s victory, even if it comes at an incredibly high cost of potentially World War III or even a nuclear war.
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I mean, that is, again, our friend, former colleague, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard saying that, someone I trust. But when you hear those things, you don’t want to hear World War III or nuclear war coming from the administration. You certainly don’t want to hear that in the middle of the Oval Office because all of a sudden it goes from a media talking point to a real talking point. We’ve heard the little sort of murmurings of a World War III for decades now. It always seems to be something that people talk about, reference. You got to remember, we got to put… some timestamps on everything. We are not all that far away from World War II. It feels like it’s a long time away. It feels like that’s generations and generations and generations away, under 100 years. You’re talking about 80 years since World War II. So it’s not like it’s impossible. So when you start hearing our world leaders actually start referencing it, whew, get ready. Phone lines are open for you. What do you think? 1-800-684-3110. But look, we gotta fight back on a state-by-state basis. We got such an amazing new project that is gonna launch today. It launched over the weekend officially, and today on air. It is part of our life in Liberty Drive. We’re going to premiere it here in the next segment, so you want to stay tuned for that. Again, support the work of the ACLJ. All gifts are matched and doubled right now. Whether that’s $5, $500, $5,000. Do it right now. Welcome back to Secular. You’re just joining us now because of that breaking news item about President Trump, Vladimir Zelensky, and shutting down the deal because now Zelensky says, hey, I want a mineral deal. And the Trump administration is saying, not so fast, not until we know there’s a war. We’re going to get back to that. But today is the launch of the Life and Liberty Drive. Now, if you want to call in about the other topic, I got three lines open. 1-800-684-3110. Or if you feel inspired by this one, I’d love to hear your story. So as you know, if you’ve been listening to this show for quite a while, last summer, I was in Boston, family vacation, was walking around, and outside of our hotel was a small sign, a billboard, if you will, that said something to the effect of, you know, don’t go to anti-abortion clinics. Stay away from them. And I look at this and I’m like, what are they talking about? Usually you see very pro-choice ads, but usually not something directed. at what we considered to be a pro-life pregnancy resource centers. A lot of these are volunteer run by the sweetest people you’ve ever met. These are organizations that give clothes, they give diapers, they give food. And of course they have a lot of prenatal coverage. And then I looked down and I see that it’s actually funded by the state and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. If you will, we do some digging. We find out it’s to the tune of millions of dollars. millions of dollars just for a marketing campaign to try to stop pro-life pregnancy resource centers pregnancy there they are void anti-abortion centers and it says you’re going to be misled you’re going to go in there and they’re going to tell you so stay away from those and here’s a mass.gov website to go to to find out immediately sent it to our team and said what can we do the legal arm took action see what could happen But then I said, you know what? The best thing we could do is come up with a incredibly inspiring. If you look at that, sad faces, angry faces. Can we come up with an exciting, sweet, compassionate ad campaign to promote pro-life pregnancy centers and do it where they’re doing this campaign? Do it through the state of Massachusetts, primarily in the Boston area. an area that honestly is more pro-life than you’d expect. They may be very liberal, but a lot of these are very liberal, but hardcore Catholic community, big communities of believers. And we said we wanted to raise $500,000 to put on this campaign. And we were able to do that. But look, they’ve got millions and millions of dollars. And our budget right now is $500,000. But as of this weekend, these ads started hitting the streets, the digital destinations of the people of Massachusetts. There’s one right now. It is our choice begins here campaign. We’ve been talking about it for months and I’m so excited to announce that it has launched. And we’re going to play you one of the video ads that’s going to be running in the area, in the market. You’re going to see these ads everywhere, by the way. And if you see them, please tag us, send us, email us pictures. I would love to see them. If you’re in Massachusetts, I want to see the impact because here’s what we learned. Since their ad campaign going after what they call anti-abortion centers, but pregnancy resource centers, you don’t call them anti-abortion centers. Fine with me, you know, because I don’t, you know, we’re trying to save all lives here. We’re trying to actually give real options. If you’re going to give them a choice, how about give them a choice to actually carry this baby? And maybe that’s through adoption. Maybe that is through support from the pregnancy resource centers or other great ministries that they could be taken care of. But we learned through all of this that since they launched, the pregnancy resource centers have seen 30% decline in people coming through those doors. And you know what we also found out? equally same playing field 30 rise in abortions in the massachusetts area so you know what that means that means their marketing campaign works so we have to fight back and i’m going to give you an opportunity right now to support the work of the aclj and i know if it comes in right now this is why you’re supporting go to aclj.org slash life and liberty or just scan the qr code on your screen it right now because it is very important and if look if this works here in massachusetts we’re going to bring this to all the pro the biggest pro-choice or actually pro-abortion states in america because it is that important you cannot win over hearts and minds by just the law we have to take it to the media as well we have to take it to the people I have to say a thank you to the amazing even ads people that we have worked with who are taking the risk of putting these ads up. That’s not that easy. You’re essentially going against your own state. But I’m very proud and very happy that there are people in that great Commonwealth of Massachusetts who are also standing up. So I want to premiere this first ad. Again, Choice Begins Here, the whole thing, it’s kind, it’s compassionate, it’s inspiring. All the ads. We’re going to roll out a new one every day this week. And these ads are all based on true stories that we heard from pro-life pregnancy resource centers, people that have come through their doors. Take a look at the first one. This is Choice Begins Here, and it’s because of you.
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We didn’t know what to do. We had tried and tried again.
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Yeah, I think we were just considering giving up on having a family. I wanted to give up. There was no way I was ready to start a family.
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Then we thought, wait, maybe there’s more than one way to have a family.
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But then I went to a pregnancy resource center and they gave me an option I never even thought of. They asked me, have I ever considered adoption?
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When the adoption agency called, I was so happy.
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I knew I wasn’t ready, but I could help a family that was. I mean, she gave us our miracle.
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She gave us our family.
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To find a pregnancy resource center near you, go to choicebeginshere.org.
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Again, Choice Begins Here is a project of the ACLJ. And I hope you enjoyed that ad. I hope you’re inspired and motivated. But understand, we have to come at this at a different point. You can’t just fight evil with evil. And that’s precisely what we’re doing. We are fighting evil with hope, with positivity, with support. That is what these pregnancy resource centers provide. And we’ve been thankful to work with them for decades. And now we can put our money into this campaign. And by our money, I mean ours collectively. I support the ACLJ. I hope you do too. So I’m gonna encourage you right now. We are in this life and liberty drive, which means all donations are matching. I know if it’s coming in right now, it is coming in because of your support, wanting to see this new campaign, which again, I understand sometimes it’s hard for me to sell you on why this is important, but look at the converse. The ad campaign, being run by the state of Massachusetts, by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts over the course of the last seven or eight months has driven 30% decline in visits to pro-life resource centers and a spike in 30% of abortions. That is not happenstance. That means marketing, media, all these things that I talk about and preach about all the time on this show really matter. And sometimes that’s hard because you just want to hear, go to the courts, get the lawsuit taken care of. We do that as well, obviously, here at the ACLJ. We’ll do that for you. But sometimes you’ve got to feel motivated. So this is the time to do it. We’ve got a second half hour coming up on this broadcast. And look, we’ve got a one-minute break. That’s all. And in that one minute right now, I want to give you the opportunity to support the work of the ACLJ. This is day one of our on-air Life and Liberty Drive. Your donations are doubled. We talk about the law. We’ve also filed a crucial lawsuit to fight back against taxpayer-funded… abortions and pro-life campaigns going or pro-choice campaigns happening in massachusetts we are taking it to the law as well and that new media counter campaign you just saw it and we’re going to roll it out all week because you need to hear about it let’s help beat the abortion industry together do it right now go to aclj.org have your gifts doubled it’s going to take a lot more than that 500 000 be a part of it right now
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keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever. This is Sekulow.
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And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. I hope you enjoyed that last segment as we talked about our brand new campaign, Choice Begins Here. We’re going to roll that out all week. But of course, we’re going to get back to what’s going on in the news. And a lot of you are just joining us right now. If you are just joining us on one of those platforms, we’re going to ask you to subscribe. If you’re new on YouTube or Rumble or Facebook or X or however you’re seeing me right now, if this is the first time you’ve ever seen me or you haven’t done it yet, hit that big subscribe button. No, we appreciate it. Over 467,000 of you. are just subscribers to our YouTube channel. Know that grows this organization a lot by having you as part of the team. So if you can’t financially give right now, it’s a great way to help as well. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Need to reset a bit of the topic today, and that is that Vladimir Zelensky, after that heated debate on Friday or conversation or meeting or shout fest, whatever you want to call it, over the weekend said, hey, you know what? Maybe… That’s just part of business. And I’ll sign that minerals deal. Let’s do that minerals deal if it doesn’t necessarily have some of these restrictions. And President Trump and the Trump administration said, not so fast. That deal is off the table right now. We got to get back to square one. Again, as President Trump said, come back when you want peace. And here we are, Will.
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That’s right. So on X, Volodymyr Zelensky put out that he is ready to sign the minerals deal. But it would only be a first step towards security guarantees that the Ukrainians need more than just that. A ceasefire without security guarantees is dangerous for Ukraine. And the Ukrainian people need to know that America is on our side. That is still similar to the type of language that we were hearing, the forceful language, the demands coming from President Zelensky that led to the issue on Friday. As of right now, The Treasury Secretary, who was kind of the architect of the minerals deal, has said that that is not on the table right now for Zelensky to sign because of what happened on Friday, that there needs to be a kind of a reset. We know Hillary Clinton famously had the reset button with the Russians. But what the Treasury Secretary is saying, we need to kind of get back to basics with the Ukrainians, make sure we are all understood before we can move forward with any sort of deal like this. And that… The entire purpose of the deal was getting to the security and peace for Ukraine. That by having this economic minerals deal, that intertwines the Ukrainian and American governments more than ever because there is now teeth in it for the Americans to care. and that if there is revenue for the United States, it can help offset the cost that we have already funneled to the Ukrainians for this war, but that there are building blocks to this to get there. And that was blown up on Friday in the Oval Office when Zelensky decided to take this tone of, I know what’s going on and I am going to explain to you, President of the United States and Vice President of the United States, why you need to show that you care more about Ukraine. I mean, to his credit, I mean, if you are the president of a country, I think you probably should think you are the center of the universe to some degree if you are fighting for your country. But you also have to understand diplomacy. You have to understand who you’re talking to. You also have to understand the history of the United States. And even, I think, to some degree, going in there and saying you have to care about us, maybe he should read a litany of history of the United States helping fund a country and then leaving them on the curb. So maybe having a strong deal of an economic relationship is better for you in the long run than just no strings attached, billions and billions and billions of dollars that then you can be left hung out to dry later.
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Yeah, absolutely. Look, we’re about to take a break here, and Rick Grinnell’s going to be joining us in the next segment, and I want you to be a part of that as well. We’ve got two lines open, 1-800-684-3110. Bob, Ronald, Jeannie, stay on hold. We’re going to get to you coming up after we talk to Rick, and whoever else calls in, hopefully you get to get through. And it’s a great time. You’re going to hear me say this a lot, but you know what? It’s a big launch day. We use your support. I like having a big first day. Be a part of the Life and Liberty Drive. Go to ACLJ.org, scan that QR code, make your donation because all donations right now are doubled. You heard about our new counter campaign? Billboards, digital, streaming advertising to combat those blatant lies coming from Massachusetts and that smear campaign against our friends who are pro-life pregnancy resource centers. So we’ve launched our own counter campaign all through the ACLJ with your support. And as that abortion industry smear campaign may roll out around the rest of the country, we’re going to fight back and we need to get ahead of them go to aclj.org your gifts are doubled we’ll be right back with rick ronell welcome back to secular having a little bit of a connection issue with rick ronell so i’m gonna go ahead and jump to some phone calls let’s go ahead and go to ronald who is calling in south carolina watching on rumble one of our favorite free speech platforms ronald you’re on the air all right thank you very much for taking my call just uh commenting on the uh
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exchange that took place between Zelensky and J.D. Vance and Trump. And the fact is that we only got the heated part of it, but the media did not push it back about a few moments where it led up to that heated part discussion. They left that part out about, like you said, him literally just almost making a threat coming into the United States, being invited into the United States of America, and then literally trying to have his way in the United States apart from the president.
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Yeah, Ronald, it seems to always pick up with J.D. Vance. That’s always where you have J.D. Vance kind of yelling and screaming. And that’s the process that, of course, the media wants you to see. Of course, we flip back just a few years ago. President Biden had the same frustrations. He felt that Zelensky was not grateful. He apparently had a meltdown on him where they say he lost his cool. Lost his temper. Lost his temper. We also have Rick Grinnell now joining us. So I just want to say, hey, Rick, thanks for joining. I’m sure you just heard that last few seconds. I want to get your feedback from the fallout from Friday. As again, this is not uncommon. And I feel like the media wants to pretend that it’s not. It’s not uncommon in business or in any sort of work or especially global policy, as you know. for things to get heated, for things to get intense. It’s maybe not usually played out in front of the cameras, but it’s a little bit of a different administration right now. And you got kind of President Trump, the showman. You also have President Zelensky, who’s a bit of a showman. So you’re going to have these things play out. It’s a little refreshing.
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Well, from my perspective, this is literally about life and death. You know, we talk a lot about decisions that are not life and death, and we minimize certain decisions when we make them think that you can make a more important decision right now in the political world. This is about bringing peace. This is about ending a war. Hundreds of thousands of people have died and are maimed. And we need a president of the United States who is totally focused on peace. Now, look, when you want to focus on peace, and you want to reject the status quo of war in Washington, DC, you’re going to take on a whole bunch of people who don’t want that. You’ve got the media who, who liked the idea that there’s that this issue is just black and white. They want to create a cane with, with the Linsky and, and they, they will not even look at anything about the problems in Ukraine, the problems with recruitment, the fact that they are losing. It is very apparent to anyone who is looking at this independently that the Ukrainians are in a terrible position. They need to be able to get this war over with. Donald Trump should be celebrated. We should be talking about the fact that he’s on the cusp of a Nobel Peace Prize because this war that started under Joe Biden that has escalated Hundreds of billions of dollars and no end in sight is now being talked about with the ceasefire. And I think the frustration that President Trump had is President Zelensky came into the Oval Office and rejected a ceasefire. And we’ve all been thinking that it was going to be Russia that would reject the ceasefire. Now we’re seeing that Zelensky is rejecting it. And I think there’s a great frustration because, look, the American people don’t want to win for Russia. They don’t want Putin to win this. But we are now in the position of trying to stop a massively deadly war. And I find it really odd that the Washington types are the ones who are saying, let’s not end this. Let’s give more arms and more money to Ukrainians so that they can have a continuation of war. How dare they? Because they’re not looking at the facts. They’re marching Ukrainians. into death because they are losing this war. This is just a fact.
SPEAKER 06 :
It does feel like, Rick, that the world kind of flipped upside out. You know, when you have the very liberal leader of the UK saying we’re going to be sending boots on the ground to Ukraine, it’s a bit of an, and it should be an eye-opening moment for everyone worldwide, that this is really what’s happening here. When you have the President of the United States using terms like World War III in the Oval Office with another world leader, this is not something to joke around about. This is not something that’s just, now it gives the media a good distraction piece. It gives people at the Oscars, they don’t have to talk about Israel. They can now go on there and talk about Ukraine again. It gives them a bit of relief. But for actual people, when they see the President of the United States in the Millville office, and just the words World War III come out, that should be an eye-opening experience. And now you have Europe coalescing and seemingly instigating that war.
SPEAKER 12 :
Look, let’s talk about Europe and the United States for a little bit. Europe should be at the forefront of stopping this They should be at the forefront of peace deals. They should not be at the forefront of just demanding more money for war. I feel like all of the capitals of Europe, all of the left and the media in the United States are focused on how much more money can they give to further a war. It’s been years since we’ve been talking about a peace agreement. And President Trump is bringing this subject up. He’s saying we’ve got to have peace. When you’re the one who stops the status quo, you’re going to get attacked by a whole bunch of people who are benefiting from the status quo. And Washington, D.C. benefits from war. Let’s be honest. Let’s look at Iraq. Let’s look at Afghanistan. There is a whole system in place that are rewarded with money when the war operation is in full steam. And President Trump is the one that’s saying, I want peace. And I’m going to take the hits on bringing both sides together and demanding that both sides come together with a peaceful.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and Rick, honestly, when the media tries to portray this as upending global order, this isn’t what America is like. This is exactly what the American people voted for. These were promises made and kept by President Trump that he is now playing out. And the fact that a foreign leader would come to the United States and, one, be so ill-prepared of knowing who he was talking to, even though they had had many conversations back when he was president the first Trump term. But the fact that you come in, be so ill-prepared, and when the president of the United States is trying to offer something that would actually strengthen the ties between the United States and the Ukrainian people by having an economic plan together… And then the media tries to say, oh, they’re just trying to give Ukraine to Russia. There’s no logic being used because I feel like they are all benefiting from a continued war. And if Zelensky has his way, there is only one way for it to end. And that’s a lot bigger war with potentially nuclear conflict and a lot more death.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let’s also be clear about the fact that right before President Zelensky went into the Oval Office, he met with a couple of Democratic senators who have been extremely vocal about not allowing there to be a peace agreement that makes Ukraine give up something. They want to see Ukraine unequivocally win the war. And so what they are saying is we must give them more weaponry and more money. This is what these Democrat senators have been saying for years. And so when Zelensky is with them and he briefs them and he tells them, I’m about to go into the White House with Donald Trump and he’s pushing us for a peace deal. These Democratic senators have been on the record. with not wanting to have the Ukrainians give anything. They want to give the Ukrainians more money. They don’t want the Ukrainians to give up anything. And so I think we need to really look at the motive for the people advising President Zelensky. And let’s also remember that the Ukrainian people are the ones that are suffering. They are the ones that are going to benefit from a peace deal from a ceasefire. They are the ones who want this war to stop more than anyone else in Europe, more than anyone else in the United States.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’m here. Well, look, I think there’s a way back to the original deal. Zelensky will admit just how fundamentally unserious a person he is and how he basically was like reading off of some television script that threatens… World War III in the Oval Office, he ought to admit that he was put up to it by, Rubio says there’s a foreign minister out there who wants him to actually prolong the war for a year. And then these Democrat senators are saying, oh, we can give you more arms. And the Europeans are talking about, we’re here to give you all this weaponry. And it’s like this guy, there’s something wrong with him. He needs Jesus.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, Bob, I mean, I think we all need Jesus. So I do agree with you 100% on that point. But especially the way that it was approached. One, it was as though he had forgotten that this wasn’t Joe Biden. This wasn’t the Biden administration. Even though he had gotten yelled at by Biden before, he clearly still got away with it. And what was different here, as you mentioned, is that he decided to approach this process from a position of absolute power almost and warning you will feel it here. And in reality, that’s not going to win you any favors with President Trump or Vice President Vance. They are dependent on the United States right now for survival because they have been propped up by the United States for survival. And if they want that to continue, then you have to change your negotiating tactics. And you can’t go in there with bluster as if you are the moral absolute in this world. We know that Ukraine has had corruption problems. We’ve seen that for decades. And he’s going to go in there and try to lecture the sitting president of the United States, who they don’t have the greatest historic relationship as it is on what you will feel. How do you ever expect to get the money and the arms and things you need? But as Rick even brought up, there are high-profile senators, Democrat senators that had met with him earlier in the morning. There were accusations that if they are telling you don’t agree to this deal, that there could be Logan Act violations. Hey! hey that you don’t want to violate my act right where they are trying to conduct u.s foreign policy when that’s not the role of a elected member of the senate so there’s a lot of mess around this and the media is making it worse by making it seem like this was such a break from norms and that the americans should be ashamed of our president it’s just not true And I think you are going to see a very different way that this plays out in the coming months. Don’t want to violate my act. You’ll be in prison for up to three years. It’s mainly because people didn’t watch the Royal Rumble or something. It’s like, yo, you know nothing about wrestling.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re straight to jail. It was the elimination chamber this weekend. So how dare you? You don’t even know. You don’t even know. Let’s go ahead and continue on calls. Gene’s calling. Is it Genie? Genie’s calling. Jenny. Jenny. All right, lots of different ways to spell it. Let’s go, Jenny in Colorado on line three, or line four, excuse me, you’re on the air. Jenny, yeah. Jenny, yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Sorry. Okay. All right. I didn’t plan on getting on the phone radio here, but anyway, a couple things. The first thing on the, because I’m old, people haven’t been around long enough to study What starts wars and what is the history of wars?
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Hello. I wanted to make a comment about the meeting with Zelensky and President Trump.
SPEAKER 08 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I thought it was very good that they showed that the president showed the transparency of the meeting. And I thought it was very disrespectful. Number one, for Zelensky to show up at that meeting, not even with a suit on. Now, somebody accused me on Facebook of trying to change President Zelensky’s image. And that is not what I’m trying to do. I believe you’re going to the white house, which is the seat of the president who is the leader of the entire free world. Number one. So you could at least wear, be dignified to wear a suit. Okay. Everybody there had a suit on including the reporters. Okay. So that was number one. And then number two, when, when the vice president asked them, did you ever say thank you? OK, because we’ve been supporting Ukraine for years now. We’ve given them billions of dollars in money and military aid. Okay? And I’ve never heard him say thank you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Anthony, I’m only cutting you off because we are just running out of time. I appreciate your calls and comments. Look, as someone that wears more casual attire even on the air today, I have to say that, sure, Zelensky has his reasons. It’s part of his gimmick. It’s part of his character, to go back to wrestling terms, because he said he’s a wartime president. He didn’t have time to put on a suit.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, he said, I’ll put on a costume when the war is over, is the way he said it, which was also kind of a dig.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, kind of a cool line. As I said, he’s a good marketer. But I mean, even I put on a suit when I went to the White House. And that says a lot. I’m not doing that for your wedding. I’m only doing that there. Let’s go ahead and take one more call really quick. Paul, I like your statement. Go ahead and say it real quick. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll say it very quickly. Eisenhower, when running for president in 1962, said… The best way to win a war is not have one. And then he said, at war, nobody wins.
SPEAKER 06 :
Paul, I think a lot of us feel that way. And I’m actually totally fine with sort of that Quaker mentality of saying, you know what? I believe in abolishment of all war. That’s great. Now, is it realistic right now? No. It’s a great thought process. And look, if a president’s pushing towards peace, that’s why we put sort of those Avengers together, the Tulsi Gabbards and those who are, by the way, incredible military leaders, but are not for the bloodshed of human beings. So I appreciate it. And speaking of that, you need to be part of our life and Liberty Drive. We launched today. Help us launch with just a gigantic debt. You’ve heard about the amazing work we’re doing. I need you right now. Scan the QR code, ACLJ.org. Do it today. Do it right now as we’re heading off the air. I want to come back tomorrow and say we had the biggest Monday launch we’ve ever had. I can do that with you. Go to ACLJ.org right now.
