In this compelling episode of Ready Radio, Pastor Bill Anderson steps in for John Rush to tackle the challenges and opportunities presented by self-sufficiency and preparedness. Hear from Dennis and Pam Brewster about their practical gardening tips, the importance of soil health, and the interconnectedness of nature’s cycles. The conversation covers how to plan and execute your garden, learn from past experiences, and improve your own backyard ecosystem. Whether you’re sowing the seeds for physical survival or pondering spiritual growth, this episode offers essential advice for embarking on your readiness journey.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is Ready Radio, preparing you to be ready for anything, now. Here’s your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good afternoon, everyone. Today is March 7th, and we are live. So if you’re listening to a replay other than March 7th, then no, you can’t call in. But if you’re listening to it live, we’d love to have you call in at 303-477-5600 or text at 307-200-8222. And today I’m filling in for John. I am your preparedness pastor, your modern day Noah, Pastor Bill Anderson. And I have with me Dennis Brewster and Pam Brewster with me. Dennis, how are you guys doing? I’m doing good.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m doing good too. Yeah, good to be here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Excited to be on the radio again.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s been a while. You did Drive Radio and Fix It Radio.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, helped John quite a bit with that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah. Enjoy it. And you’re part of our church there at Sun Country, and we do a lot of this type of topic with our Lunch and Learns. In fact, we have one coming up this Sunday. And if you want to be a part of the Lunch and Learn, come to church there in Elizabeth. It’s at 10 o’clock at Sun Country Community Church. We always got to plug that, right? Yes, always. Always got to plug that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And we have lunch and learns a lot. That fits right into ready, ready.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Lunch and learns. And it does because we talk about canning. We talk about vehicle preparedness. We talk about, oh, what else have we done? Gardening. That’s what we’re going to talk about this week. We’ve talked about, you know, using, making tinctures, using herbs. Yes. We’ve talked about. Bread making. Bread making. Yeah, that was a good one. My wife is doing that twice a week now, making the sourdough based on that class. So all those fun things we’ve talked about. We’ve done canning, medical, first aid, CPR. We’ve done that. It’s all about making sure that we are prepared. I call myself the preparedness pastor. We prepare you spiritually, physically, and mentally because all three are very, very important. We live in crazy times right now. If you’re watching the news, you never know what’s going to happen on a day-to-day. There’s definitely a battle going on for our freedom and freedom in many different levels. Many levels, many different levels for sure. In fact, the one that we’re I was just at a guy’s house today doing some electrical work and he was, you know, I had to run the wire through his reloading room because he’s an avid hunter and he’s got all these he reloads all his own shells for hunting and stuff. And I started asking him about, hey, have you heard the news on the new laws that’s on the books? Not on the books, but that they’re pushing through the house and stuff right now, the 003. And I don’t remember what the ammunition and the reloading one was. And he was like, no, what are you talking about? And I’m like, well, they’re trying to make it very difficult even to get reloading supplies. They’re going to take that case, the case, the brass case, and you have to label that explosive. And it’s just a brass case. Yeah. But he’s like, I didn’t hear anything about that. I had no idea. I had no idea. And that’s a problem, right, guys, that people are out of touch with what’s going on around them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
And how can you vote or how can you make – comments or or try to push back or you know contact your senators or your congressmen or your local people if you don’t even know what’s what’s going on right if you have no idea so that’s that’s part of what this program is all about is keeping everybody aware and i know when john does his his drive radio and stuff like that. He brings in all those kinds of topics and talks about what’s happening in the day so that we can prepare and stuff for those. That’s, that’s very, very important. So, you know, it doesn’t feel like much today because we had a really good week and then today I was cold.
SPEAKER 05 :
I like it.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s snowing, and I see my breath. So I was getting all excited about ordering seeds. Oh, sure. It seems like every few days I’m getting all the, Pam, can I plant now? No. No, you can’t. Can I plant now? No.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. What’s nice about days like this… is that this is when you’re at home and you plan your garden. What do you want to plant and get prepared for that? So this is a good day to do that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we sit down and talk about what do we want to do from last year versus this year? Do we want to increase or decrease? What worked really good? What didn’t work really good? So those are the conversations we are having. And to figure out, you know, like, you know, we just talk about those things because if something didn’t work, why try planting it again if it’s not working for us? Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or if we really didn’t want to eat it or, you know, we were just giving it away. So might as well do what we want to be eating. So, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that wouldn’t work well for me, Dennis, because as Pam knows, for 15 years I’ve tried planting things and they’re not working. I don’t know how many trees I’ve gone through, but I think we’re going to get it this year. You’re doing better. We’re going to get it. We’re going to get it. And so you keep trying. Right, right. You can either give up or you keep trying. And one of these times it’s going to… It’s going to happen. I was super excited because I finally got some compost piles to heat up and I’ve never been able to do that. And I stuck the thermometer. I even sent you a picture. It’s like, it’s like 130 degrees and it’s like, you know, 40 outside. And I was so excited. I was able to actually get it.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s what it’s supposed to do. It’s supposed to break down by the heat. Yeah, those microorganisms are really working in there.
SPEAKER 06 :
We got some chicken manure and it was in our garden and Pam wanted me to enlarge in one of our gardens and it’s a raised bed. So I was making it bigger. And when I was doing that, I had to move some of that soil away from the boards. And then you can feel the heat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I didn’t think we put that much manure down. But, oh, my gosh, that was a lot of difference in the temperatures of, you know, within that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. So let’s kind of use today to talk about that a little bit. So we’re coming up. We’re very early spring. I think technically we’re still winter, right? Yeah. So, you know, when do we want to plant here in Colorado? And knowing when to plant, then how do we plan for when to plant?
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. So first of all, what I would say with gardening, I mean, the key to gardening is soil health. And so if you don’t have that, it doesn’t matter what you plant, you know, and when you plant it, because it’s just not going to grow if it doesn’t have the nutrients in there. So that’s what I would say to people is definitely soil health. So if you amend your soil where you’re having your garden, definitely add each year at least a third of compost and work that in. And really follows the best time to do that because you have that freeze-thaw happening and it really breaks down all that stuff. But you can still do it in the spring before you start.
SPEAKER 06 :
But also what we were talking about is Some of the vegetables that we’re going to plant in certain things have to have so much nitrogen or so much, you know, certain different soils. There are things that need to be in that garden for that plant to survive.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And so, you know, first usually what you do is you plant and then you add the soils or the nutrients, whatever it’s needed for that specific plant. You know, you add that as it’s growing, you know, so. So.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this was something that I had to get over. And based on what you’ve always told me, because whenever we plant a new tree or bare root or whatever, I’m wanting to put the compost and all that in there. And you’ve always said, no, just put the regular dirt back in there. And we put the compost on the top. And I think I’m realizing now that that’s how nature does it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes. So, I mean, you can add, you’re supposed to add an amendment, which can be compost, any well-aged manure. Add that to your hole, the hole, the dirt, the soil, the native soil that you take out. You know, but you don’t want to put… You don’t want to take out all the native soil and then just put in a whole bunch of like potting soil or a whole bunch of compost. Because what happens, you know, I mean, it needs those microorganisms really are there in the native soil. So that’ll help if you add other compost that doesn’t have microorganisms in it or the potting soil doesn’t have microorganisms in it. So so if you do that amendment, it’s going to be like a transition for those roots to with that compost and with the native soil to then go out into the larger area of native soil as it grows. You don’t want to use really, really good stuff because it’s just going to want to stay there. Those roots are just going to want to stay there and not want to go out into that native soil.
SPEAKER 03 :
And if they do go out, now you’ve got another shock, if you will, to the plant because of the change of the soil.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I mean, so to speak, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
But don’t you, when you do do the mixture, don’t you do like a third, is that what you say? Right. I don’t know if you mentioned that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, a third of an amendment to your native soil.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And you mix it up. You’ll have that pile of your native soil, and then you mix it up with a third of an amendment, and then you go ahead and put it in the hole itself, you know, with the plant.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And that’s the challenging part with Colorado is our soil is not so great.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. That’s why you need to make sure that it is healthy soil and amend it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then there’s a way you have to figure out what soil you have to before you start gardening, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, so even if you have really sandy soil or sandy loam soil, you can still add an amendment that will help that. If you have a really clay soil, then it’s going to help that. So if you have a sandy soil and add an amendment, it’s going to make it so it retains the water more because a sandy soil, it’s just going to leach through. And if you have a clay soil and add that, it’s going to then break up that clay soil so it drains better. So it’s good either way, no matter what kind of soils, because there’s a whole gamut of soils here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And so what are some ways that we can help our soil here? I mean, besides running down to the store and buying compost?
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, so I mean, so if you were to put compost. If you put mulch on top of the soil, it’s going to help that soil, other than just digging out a hole and then adding amendment. Most plants that are native, of course, they’re going to grow in that native soil. you know so it is recommended to try and plant the native plants so you don’t have to do a whole bunch of stuff to your soil now in a garden area it’s very easy to do but if you’re talking like planting trees or something there’s not much you can do to the outside soil you know except for where that whole hole is and then there’s kind of on their own but you could start to build a better topsoil
SPEAKER 03 :
With with mulch and compost on top. And then as the worms come up and eat that and then go back down there, they’re making that transfer.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. And what you know, so so what what we’ve done, you know, what we’ve, you know, been showing, like when I worked at the Soil Conservation District, you know, when you put mulch on top and you have all this good stuff like those, you know, the worms, they go up and down and they help the soil. Like if you can think of an area on your property or even in your backyard where you just put a whole bunch of mulch on it and let that decompose, and then you can start planting right in that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, so a lot of people do that, you know, and we have an area that we did that too, and we have… Fruit shrubs, fruit trees, and it holds back the weeds, and it keeps the moisture in, and it just keeps breaking down because it was a really bad soil in that area.
SPEAKER 06 :
And believe it or not, I fodder on this. I didn’t want to do that. I wanted to leave the grass and stuff that was there.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s like we’re watering for what reason?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but it was an area that we weren’t doing anything with, but we had to keep water on it. And we thought, well, let’s put something there we can put water on and eat. So we put these cherry bushes there and these cherry trees, and they’re blooming like crazy. They just love that soil.
SPEAKER 14 :
But we put so much mulch on it that it smothered the grass. And then that just broke down, too.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is breaking down. And sometimes I go over there to dig a hole or something, or she does, and I just look at it, and it’s like, oh, my gosh, look at all that. This is really rich.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it’s really nice, yeah, and a really easy thing to do.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I’ve heard somebody say that if you don’t do your own ground cover, nature will provide its own ground cover.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly, and that’s usually in the weeds. And so weeds are actually good, you know, because they’re keeping that soil from eroding, you know, whether it be wind or water. You know, and you don’t want your soil to erode. That’s when it’s really bad.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we had a situation where we had a hill, and I wanted to pull all the weeds off of it. And she said, don’t do that, because then all that dirt is going to wash away. And so we didn’t pull the weeds off.
SPEAKER 14 :
We just let them be there for a while until… Yeah, so we just planted native grass there, and so we don’t have to water it, but it did take over the weeds. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah. And you could do other ground covers such as strawberries. Oh, yeah. Yes. Edible. Like you told me. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And so this there’s a huge lesson in this, by the way. Right. That no matter what we’re doing, we have to have good soil.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, a good foundation.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good soil, right? And if we are diligent in just giving the plant the environment it needs to thrive, we don’t really need to help the plant.
SPEAKER 14 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
The plant will do its own thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
It will do its own thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
But we provide the environment and we try to make the best we can of the environment so that the plant can do its own thing. Yes. And this, by the way, right, goes on many levels, right? Oh, yeah. Right? Oh, yeah. You know, marriages.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. You bet.
SPEAKER 03 :
Relationships.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’ve got to nurture. You’ve got to just have the right conditions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Create the right environment. Yes. And then they will, you know, take it from there. Right. And, you know, it’s also, you know, in the prepping area or the preparedness area, it’s the same thing, right? We do the best preparedness we can, and then whatever happens, you know, happens.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s this quote by Mark Minivini. He’s actually a stock trader. And he says, always be improving your worst case scenario.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Always improving the worst case scenario. And I’m thinking that’s really great. So what is my worst? Well, we could write volumes of worst case scenarios right now with all the things going on around us. And it’s like, hey, what is the worst case scenario in your life right now? Let’s take a little step to try to improve that area. Right. Right. Right. You know, everybody’s scrambling for eggs or, you know, some people have eggs, some people don’t. I mean, some people have access to it. And, you know, I mean, I’m getting my chickens are laying 18 a day, so I’ve got plenty of them. But, you know, I prepared for that last summer, not even having any clue. But here’s the thing now. people are like, well, it costs so much more to have chickens. And I says, yeah, it can, it can. But now if you’re growing food for them, if you’re getting food scraps from maybe restaurants that are just throwing them out or your own food straps or creating those compost piles, cause my chickens are eating on those compost piles. And now I’m using their, their, their poop to build my car. It’s totally this circle that’s happening. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
See, God is so good. So many things we can use.
SPEAKER 06 :
What we do a lot of times, even when we had an auto repair shop, we did a car show. And every year after the car show, after everybody left, we sat down, Pam and I would sit down and write all the goods and the bads. What worked, what didn’t. We do that with gardening. We do that. Whatever we do, we always sit down afterwards and we say, okay, what worked, what didn’t. You know, like this last year, we did corn, but it didn’t turn out so good. We got a couple of years, but… It took up a lot of garden space to do that. We didn’t get enough out of it for that. So we said, maybe corn’s not the thing we want to do. So what we’ve done is we sat down and said, okay, maybe we don’t want a good corn, but maybe we want to do something else that’ll work. And that’s why she decided to make one of the beds bigger so we can plant some other different things in it that are more viney and stuff. So that’s what we do. We sit down, just like he says, we sit down and take what we did good and try to make it better. By sitting down and say, okay, what worked, what didn’t? What do we need to do to change? What do we need to put in the garden, make it work here? So, yeah, we had a situation with a certain plant that just kind of took over the dill, took over everything, and was shadowing, shading some of the other products.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it just reseeded itself. So you just pick it and just mulch it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but we’re not going to let it take over like it did last year. That was one thing we talked about.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’ll put it in another bed.
SPEAKER 06 :
And she also said, you’ve got to help me more in the garden.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, I did.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, you’re retired now. I know. Well, it doesn’t feel like it. When you tell everybody you’re retired, you basically say, I’m available for whatever you need. Everybody call me. That’s right. Yeah. Yeah. So we’ll get into some more specifics here here after the break, which we’re coming up on here. But, you know, in Colorado, there’s things we can do with raised beds and greenhouses that we can talk about. And we’ll catch that after the break.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Welcome back. If you want to call in with any questions, we’ve got the specialist Pam here. Great to answer any questions you might have. All things gardening. So 303-477-5600 or the text line 307-200-8222. Somebody did text me, Pam, asking your credentials. That is a true story, by the way. Credentials. Sure. So…
SPEAKER 14 :
Where do I start? I worked over 20 years with the soil conservation districts in Elbert County and Douglas County, and then also Colorado Master Gardener over 20 years with Douglas County. So, yeah, and I’m a native Coloradan, and so I know all about the ups and downs of gardening.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and our dad was huge into gardening.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, he was a farmer from South Dakota. My mom came from a farming town in North Dakota, and so he had a huge garden here.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you wouldn’t have believed it. I couldn’t believe it when I saw it. It was like a huge farm in your yard, you know. He did. He grew everything.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And with nine kids, it really helped.
SPEAKER 06 :
He even had tomatoes up to through like December. Wow.
SPEAKER 14 :
He’d cover them up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah. That’s great. That’s great. Yeah. And some of your siblings, I know kind of, maybe not the exact path that you have, but similar paths. So we’re going to get some nurseries and stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
And one of her brothers is really good. He worked at a nursery and took care of a lot of things. And we actually had him out at the church to do edible plants. Edible plants. Yeah. That you can eat or plant in our neighborhood. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s always a fun topic, plant walks. It’s always a good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Everybody loved that. I mean, I got so many calls about doing it later on. Are you going to do it again and try to get Gary out to do that again?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that would be great. All right, so we started after the break there. We want to kick up just real quick, extending the season maybe with greenhouses and why Colorado is great for greenhouses and also for raised beds.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right, okay, we could start with greenhouses first. Of course, it does extend both sides of the season. So you can start planting things in the greenhouse. I think you definitely have to make sure that the greenhouse is monitored because you still don’t want it too hot. I mean, even though it’s still the end of the winter, you’re still going to get that sun load, and it’s just going to get really hot, so you do have to still have it vented. You know, and then also, if you don’t have a heater in it, you know, you have to protect those plants that you do plant from freezing, you know, if they’re not cold tolerant.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, some people I’ve seen in their greenhouse still do covering low covers. Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
You still have to do that at night, especially.
SPEAKER 06 :
There’s different kinds of greenhouses. There’s ones that do supply heat. And then there’s ones like ours is just mainly just we just have it covered, and we could put heat in there, but we don’t. You don’t want it in there. Yeah, you don’t need to. I want to do it. She won’t let me. You just protect the plants. I want to run electrical. You know, Bill, I want to light it up and do everything to it.
SPEAKER 03 :
And now you’ve got $400 lettuce there, Dennis.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. You would. Exactly. It would be warm.
SPEAKER 03 :
It would be warm. And plus, too, you know, on this station here, on this program here, we talk about preparedness. You know, we may not have electricity. Right. So what are you doing?
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
Use nature. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I mean, to your point, I think I texted you again one day. I was like, here we are in February and my greenhouse is 107 degrees.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Exactly. Yeah, you have to have that venting even in February. And so what we did to kind of keep the heat in is we have three barrels, brown barrels, that the sun hits. We fill them full of water. The sun hits them. And so when it cools off at night, the heat from that water still keeps it kind of moderate.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that always… That causes me to say, does it ever freeze? Does that water ever freeze? No. It never has. Wow. Never will.
SPEAKER 14 :
Never has.
SPEAKER 03 :
Even when we got down to the zeros and stuff?
SPEAKER 14 :
Nope. Never did because it’s… I mean, you know, if there was probably just a little bit of water, but if it’s full, you know, it’s not going to because it’s so big and the sun hits it and so it stays warm.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, so never did freeze.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that was a greenhouse that somebody had given you…
SPEAKER 14 :
It was, exactly. And we kind of modified it.
SPEAKER 03 :
They couldn’t keep it together. And they bought it from Harbor Freight. Right. And you guys have modified it, shored it up.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the plastic would fall out of it. It would blow out of it all the time. They said they tried everything, silicone it, put in board. They tried everything to get it to work. And they were going to get rid of it. And Pam goes, hey, I want to get this greenhouse from them. I’m like, okay. And then I lengthened it and put a thing in the middle. And then I dug it down into the ground so it wouldn’t blow away. And then I changed the panels off to be solid plastic. And that’s what helped it. And then it got so hot in there that we had to actually put shade cloth covering in there because it would cook the plants.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I think where I’m going with that, and you guys have seen my greenhouses. Yes. They’re not, I mean, they’re boxes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you can make anything you want.
SPEAKER 03 :
The one I’m working on is with cattle panels and things of that nature. And it doesn’t have to be super expensive. No. It can’t be very low. Now, I know John has a sponsor, I think, and I think they sponsor this show, the Greenhouse Builders. And that’s another option. And that’s a great option, right? And they would probably have it down to a more, you know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, scientific.
SPEAKER 03 :
Scientific. I think they use the geodome and all that. But, you know, to be honest with you, not everybody has that kind of money. So, you know, we don’t want to limit people. Right. You know, maybe you’re in an apartment and you’re putting it in your window.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or on your balcony or you’ve got a smaller yard or whatever. So you can do that. Now, on the topic of raised beds, that helps with that soil amendment, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
What does help?
SPEAKER 03 :
The raised beds where you can change the soil.
SPEAKER 14 :
It does, yeah, because you can add more to it. So one of the keys for planting any seeds, for the soil to receive it and for that seed to germinate, you want a warmer soil, like 50 to 60 degrees. And so actually the raised beds have warmer soils than just in the ground gardens. Interesting. So that’s another fuss to that.
SPEAKER 05 :
So we found out. I didn’t believe it, but it is. It’s warmer.
SPEAKER 14 :
It seems like it’d freeze.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know.
SPEAKER 14 :
It doesn’t. It doesn’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Is that because of the soil condition or what?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, no, I think it’s because, you know, when you have just the ground, you know, you have no extra like insulation kind of, and you don’t have like the wood.
SPEAKER 05 :
The frame.
SPEAKER 14 :
The frame to keep it, you know, warmer and stuff. But it’s, and then you can amend it more. You know, versus just being in the ground.
SPEAKER 06 :
And when we started with our raised beds, she just basically had me just put four-by-fours around, two-by-fours around a certain thing, and then we just tore up that ground in there. And then since then, we keep raising them up. I keep adding wood to it to raise it higher. Exactly, because we keep adding the compost, so it just gets better and better.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or is that because you get tired of bending over? No. Oh, yeah. You still got to get on your knees and work it. Yeah, you still got to get down there. Trying to bring it up to you. No. And that’s good, too, by the way. Yeah. A lot of people have commented to me about the stuff that I do, and they’re like, it’s so much work. And it’s like, well, yeah, you’ve got to be physically able to do some of this stuff. And it actually helps you more, I think. I think we’re healthier because of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
But one of the things with the raised beds, why she wanted to do it is because we were getting weeds everywhere, so now we can control those weeds. And then we put walkways in between them, and now you can control those walkways in the leaves. Because you have to control the walkways because that grass goes into the beds. But we control those to where they don’t. And I think that’s what helps it, too. Because then that keeps warm around it and stuff because you’ve got them covered and stuff. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the other thought with that is, you know, a lot of times people, when we talk about this kind of stuff, they go, I don’t have time to do all that. So it’s creating those systems to where it works for you. Exactly. Maybe automatic drips on your watering.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly, irrigation.
SPEAKER 03 :
I can’t remember those things that I showed you, those terracotta plants that had that reservoir and it just watered it for you. Oh, yeah. And all you had to do was fill the five-gallon bucket or whatever it was.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. And you don’t have to have a huge garden. I mean, you know, if people just want to start, you start with an eight by four, you know, just raised bed, you know, just break up that native soil. And if you can find a proper piece on your property that is in a lower area, because what happens over these years, I’m thinking of like, you know, people in, you know, like rangeland or something, you know, where if you have a lower lying area, Years and years and years of runoff of the topsoil has gone down towards the bottom part. Kind of like bottom land around a river or something. But that’s really good soil to start with.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because you proved that at my property.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, exactly, because that’s where you’re doing it.
SPEAKER 06 :
The other thing is she will not let me rototill. We used to rototill. We do not rototill anymore.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so there are certain times to rototill. Yeah. The first thing is if you wanted to break up the sod, if you first want to do your beds, you know, or else you could just turn over the soil, but try and get those plants that were in there out, you know, of if you’re in just grassland. you want to at least get those out of there. Um, you know, cause they’re just going to keep rerouting for you. But, um, but then you can, you can rototill that and then break all that up. Um, but you don’t want to continually do that every year because then the microorganisms get disrupted. And so like the worms, all that good stuff, all those good, you know, God, God creatures, you know, I mean, you don’t want to disturb them. So you can turn it over with like a pitchfork or a fork or, um, You know, if you had to. That’s the only time I would do it if it was compacted, would I really turn it over.
SPEAKER 06 :
Didn’t you guys have, with the solar conservation, you had a map of, from outer space, you know, some hit in the earth showing how the earth was getting hot during the spring when everybody was rototilling. Yeah, the farmers. The farmers, you could see. We’re tilling the ground. You can see it cools it off. Mm-hmm. And it tears up the ground so much that if the wind comes along, it just takes that topsoil and blows it away.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just takes it or the water, you know, the rains come and stuff. I mean, that’s why we had the Dust Bowl, 1930s. I mean, everybody was tilling. I mean, just, yeah. And that’s what happened. So, and all that topsoil is somewhere else now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, we have proof of that because the people to the north of us have done that. They had horses on their property so much that all their soil came over to our house.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
along our fence line in the winter yeah the north winds would blow and there wasn’t any snow on the ground yeah and it’s raised up about three feet on that side on the other side of those trees and it’s topsoil yeah it’s all their topsoil
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s why, you know, we got a struggle with, like at my house, because I have all those pine trees. And, you know, everyone’s telling you, you got to rake up all those pine needles for fire mitigation and all this. And for years, my ground has been hard. Yeah. Because the previous owners, I think, raked them all up every, you know, couple times a year because they’re relentless. And I just finally started leaving them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. I mean, if you think of that, that’s just a natural mulch. I mean, you know, you don’t want ladder fuels. That’s what you don’t want. I mean, even if those pine needles caught fire, they’re going to stay on the ground. You don’t want a ladder fuel like a shrub then going to a big, you know, pine tree and then it gets in the crowns and then it goes to the other crowns. So you don’t want that. So if you have, you know, just your bark of your trees and then you have your pine needles around there and keeping the mulch, you know, and keeping that soil in good condition and not blowing away and stuff, it’s not going, those pine needles aren’t going to get hot enough to burn that bark of that ponderosa tree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Speaking of pine needles, because every time I talk about pine needles for mulch or putting them in my compost piles or putting them in the trench thing that you guys showed us, everybody says, oh, you can’t do that because it’s going to make your soil acidic.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it really doesn’t. Our soil, the pH is 7.0 to 8.3, depending where you’re at. Very alkaline. So pine needles are not going to, especially if they’re just on the top, they’re not going to change that. I mean, it’s still going to remain alkaline for how much ours is, you know.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the reason they say that is because the grasses die underneath those trees. And they think, okay, look at that. The acidic is killing them. It isn’t that. It’s the pine needles smothering the grass.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and the acidity of those pine needles on the grass do kill the grass, but it doesn’t alter the soil.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s a wax on there, too, that takes time for that to get broken down. And I always tell people, it’s like, well, it’s not the pine needles that are killing the grass. Because I have tons of grass. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you do. Under my pine needles, and they do just fine. Right, yeah. And the difference is because the pine trees take up so much water that nothing can grow underneath it. But we water our grass, and our grass is fine under our pine trees.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s another thing. One thing she does is before, right when fall hits and the plants are being put to death, The gardens are being put to sleep, basically. She puts cover on it. She sometimes puts straw on the beds to cover them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. Yeah. And that’s for wind erosion, you know, usually, you know, because we have a dry winter that that.
SPEAKER 06 :
good soil is gonna you know if you don’t have any cover on it it will blow and so everything everything all our trees around everywhere we have a cover around them a mulch around them to keep the moisture in and the trees are doing great right yeah oh and it was a great year for moisture it was a great winter so yeah yeah hopefully we’ll have another another good one now springtime i heard wasn’t the best time to plant trees usually want to do that in the fall but springtime is when they’re available in the nurseries
SPEAKER 14 :
No, spring is when you want to. Spring is okay. You can plant them in the spring and the fall. Availability, you’re going to have more in the spring because the nurseries are going to have them. They’re going to want to get rid of them in the fall, so you’re going to get a better deal.
SPEAKER 03 :
In the fall.
SPEAKER 14 :
Buying them in the fall, but you can still plant them in the fall, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Got it. Okay, well, when we come back here, we’re not quite to the break yet, but we can go ahead and get to the break. Now, when we come back, I want to talk about that fall or that frost date and what we can start doing in the meantime. If you’ve got any questions, 303-477-5600 or text 307-282-22.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, 303-477-5600 or text 307-200-8222. So, Pam, we’ve been talking lots of stuff about soil and raised beds and greenhouses and all kinds of stuff. But, you know, hey, we got the gardening bug. Let’s do it now. Let’s do it now. So tell me, when should we consider planting and do we plant directly in the soil? Do we start seeds in a seed tray? When do we do that? Walk us through that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, well, first of all, we’ll start with the frost dates. Okay, so, you know, I mean, frost dates are pretty much all over the board. We try and get to an average. So if you think of just, we’ll start with Denver. Denver frost date is between usually May 11th to May 20th. Some things say May 4th could be the average, depending how far back they went for figuring out the average. But a lot of people just think, okay, like in Denver or when I used to garden in Arapahoe County, It was right around Mother’s Day. This year it’s the 11th. And the thing is, it doesn’t matter what that frost date is. You just have to make sure you watch the weather. If you have something that you planted and you think, okay, I’m free and clear. Well, you might not be. So watch the weather. and be prepared to cover whatever you planted that has come up. Siege you don’t have to worry about, but if it’s already broken, you know, the soil and germinated, then you have to cover it and protect it. So that would be that.
SPEAKER 03 :
So is there anything we can plant right now?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, so right now, it’s still a little early, even for like greens, like in a greenhouse, totally different. You know, I mean, but we won’t talk about greenhouse because not everybody has a greenhouse. But if you wanted to go for talking about just the gardening itself.
SPEAKER 03 :
And just real quick on that greenhouse, you can maybe consider extending or starting your season early by, what, a couple of weeks, couple of months?
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, you could even, so like if you started like things that really can be, that are cold tolerant, like lettuces, stuff like that, you can start those now in a greenhouse. You know, if it’s really going to get down low, just make sure you cover them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because I did put seed in mine, like you told me, but nothing’s popped up yet.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, it takes a little bit of time. It does, it does, yeah. So you also told me I can do my Jerusalem artichokes now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, yeah, because that’s just a tuber. That’s it, okay. And so how hot was it when, is it overheated in your greenhouse? Because you planted some seeds, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so and how long was that for the lettuce or the greens? How long ago did you plant that?
SPEAKER 03 :
The day you told me. Okay, and what was that? You don’t remember? No. Because I don’t remember. It was like two weeks ago.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, about two weeks. Because they should be starting to come up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I did see some little sprouts. Okay, okay. But I always wonder because I’m using that old soil and sometimes I’ll get… Something else. The native stuff coming up.
SPEAKER 14 :
But you can tell. I mean, you’ll tell. You know, the first… the first leaves are not true leaves of anything that comes up so it’s the second leaves that’s when you can start telling what it is yeah and I think I did radishes and some beets and some kale and chard and lettuce that cold weather stuff beet maybe maybe it’s a little right and remember when when they’re called cold weather plants they like it colder than being in a hot greenhouse so try and cool off your greenhouse a little bit
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m just pretending they’re Swedish, right? So they go in the sauna and then go in the cold plunge. Okay, watch them just thrive.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, you could prove me totally wrong. And that’s great. That’d be awesome.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it hasn’t worked yet, so that’s why. But we keep trying. So we got the frost date. Probably nothing we can plant right now. Maybe some Jerusalem artichokes or things like that. So when should we start seeds? And should we start them indoors? And when?
SPEAKER 14 :
So… So it really depends what you want to plant. So if we start with lettuce, because they don’t mind the cold. So you could plant the lettuce… pretty much in april um in the ground in the ground yeah directly yeah i mean if you want anything you know you can plant any seed in your house you know if you have a southern facing window that gets enough sun you don’t want it to become leggy right you know and really thin it’s not gonna you know produce anything right and i have a friend jeff jeff if you’re listening yes i’m talking about you he’s growing lettuce right now in his his window Right, exactly. You can do that, you know, I mean, you wouldn’t do carrots or anything, you know, because, you know, you need a lot, you know, deep soil for that. But, but you can do any kind of greens there. But, but like in your garden, you know, you want to wait, like I said earlier, you have to wait till that soil is warm enough to receive it. You know, 50 to 60 degrees. You can have that happen a little bit quicker if you put a row cover over it or black plastic to heat up the soil. You know, so there’s ways that you can go around that. You know, but sometimes those plants get stunted if they’re planted in a soil that’s too cold. Either they don’t germinate or if they germinate and it stays too cold, they’ll be stunted. You know, so so it’s good to be patient and just kind of wait. You know, eventually you’ll get the full harvest. You know, doing it quicker doesn’t usually make a big difference.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You know. Yeah. And that’s I think that’s a problem that a lot of people have. They get too excited.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah, I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was there. It’s the fear of missing out. Right, right.
SPEAKER 14 :
But it all equals out in the end, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I remember I planted some spinach and some kale like late in the year. And it’s in one of those little boxes. And you’ve seen it. It lasted all winter long. And right now it’s starting to kind of take off a little bit.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. I mean, so, I mean, there’s different… There’s different plants that you can plant a second time, and that would be your lettuces, or that would be your cole crops, like your broccolis, your cauliflower. Spinach. Yeah, and that would be your greens. Yeah, you can do those at the end of July. You plant those, and they’ll last forever.
SPEAKER 06 :
Peas. Yeah. Peas. Because we did a second crop of peas. I didn’t think it was going to work, and it did.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I had bought some chard last spring, and I put that in the greenhouse. And I harvest on that all the way through, I think, into December.
SPEAKER 14 :
Same, exactly here. Exactly. Until I cut mine out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Until I finally got tired of watering because the water hose was frozen. Right. But there’s a wonderful guide, and I sent you the link to this. It’s called Clyde’s Garden Planner. And you can get it on Amazon. It’s a whopping $9. And you can move the line to your frost date, and it can tell you all the plants or whatever that you can plant. And when you start them indoors.
SPEAKER 14 :
or direct sow because the typical rule is what four you want to start them indoors four weeks maybe yeah four four weeks four weeks yeah for the bigger plants you know um yeah like your broccoli cauliflower um any of those big ones you know peppers tomatoes stuff like that yeah about four weeks so we’re coming up on that here well
SPEAKER 03 :
yeah still a little bit more time yeah we still have like but i’m telling you for for ten dollars that glides guarding right little slide depending on where you’re you know located and where you’re what your frost date as long as you know what your frost date is in your area you slide it to that and then on the other side it has the fall the first fall or the first frost so you set it on that and then it tells you what you can do yeah What you can do there. So now before we wrap up here today, talk a little bit about, you know, not everybody has a couple acres like you and I have. Not everybody has a yard. Are there some other options to being able to grow? And then before we leave today, I want to talk about, is it practical for me to save my seeds? Absolutely. and reuse them again next year? Because I had some jalapenos that I had harvested and I’ve saved the seeds. So getting into that kind of preparedness mindset, can I save some seeds too? So let’s talk about space real quick and then we’ll get to the seeds.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, sure. Space. I mean, if you don’t have a yard or, you know, property or anything, I mean, definitely container gardening. I mean, it’s huge. Yeah, you can do it and you can move those containers, you know, keep following the sun if you had to, you know, if you had a small yard.
SPEAKER 06 :
You were with Soil Conservation in Douglas County. Andy, who had his, he lived in a residential area. Had everything. That was amazing in his yard, in a residential area. He had everything growing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, he’s still living there, and he does background conservation. So edible landscaping, everything is edible.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Everything. That he’s planted. And people go by and take pictures of it and stuff to see it and stuff. He even raises rabbits and chickens. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And uses all of that. Yeah. He was awarded from us, you know, because he he did such a great job and stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
So that’s that’s great. Yeah. There was a time when I lived in Castle Rock where I saw that if you remember under my stairs, under my stairs in my basement, I had grow lights. Yeah. And I had five gallon potatoes. I got these little potatoes from those five-gallon buckets.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right now, if we need potatoes or carrots, she goes outside to the garden because they’re still in the garden.
SPEAKER 14 :
They made it all year round.
SPEAKER 06 :
They stay in the ground. And she digs up carrots and stuff. And, oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 14 :
So I’ll probably be digging them all out probably in the next, this next week, you know, so they don’t start bolting. The carrots are going to bolt, you know, and then the potatoes will start growing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Onions too we have.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I took pretty much all those out. I just have garlic in there now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Garlic, yeah. And these are, you know, garlic and those kind of things, Jerusalem artichokes. Not so much garlic, but Jerusalem artichokes, you plant it once and you should have it forever.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. It’s just going to keep multiplying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Exactly. Kind of like rhubarb and asparagus. Asparagus, yeah. And stuff like that.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that’s another thing, you know, like when we were talking about putting mulch in a big area, you know, not only putting like trees, but it can be a whole perennial garden. That’s where you can put all your perennials in.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, and every year, you know, it’s easy because they’re all in one area for you to water them and to maintain them, you know, instead of taking your perennial areas in your garden.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. It’s just an idea. You also start now tipping into the topic of permaculture.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Where you’ve got the layers. Yes. You’ve got your canopy layer and then you’ve got your ground layer. And I don’t know all the layers, but you… And that’s what you’ve kind of been helping me do at my house is establishing, hey, let’s put some blueberries here. Let’s put some raspberries here. Right. Let’s put some asparagus here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Things that are going to come back every year. Exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Strawberries for the ground cover. Right. And what happens is when we’re creating that environment, they all work off of each other. Right, right. And they all support each other and then they all… They all kind of thrive. So you had mentioned your carrots bolting. What does that mean?
SPEAKER 14 :
So, I mean, carrots are a root, the root of the plant. So the root grows the first year. They’re biannual. So it grows the first year. And the second year is when they bolt and then you get the seeds from those carrots. But in that process, it ruins the root so it’s not edible anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because you get seeds. But you get seeds.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, get seeds. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
And then you can take those seeds.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or they just reseed themselves.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, they reseed themselves.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you leave them in there, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you leave that in that area. But but if somebody was interested in, you know, I have a tomato plant.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
And obviously all, you know, season long, I’m eating those tomatoes. But maybe I pull one tomato side. Can I just do that from the plant that I got up the Home Depot? And and hopefully that seed was good and I can plant it again next year.
SPEAKER 14 :
So sometimes you have to be leery because sometimes if it was pollinated with something else, there could be a cross. And so you might not get exactly what that plant was.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, you could sure give it a try. You know, I mean, I have a lot of… Because I turn under my tomatoes and then I get little tomato plants coming all over. And some I let them grow and they really are fine. But that’s in the greenhouse.
SPEAKER 03 :
But if you were to get, correct me if I’m wrong, if I were to get heirloom seeds and kind of start my own thing, I would be okay by collecting those seeds and saving them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, a lot of people do. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And that’s not that hard to do?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And especially with YouTube out there, we’ve got all kinds of videos that can show us how to do it. Right. When it comes to raised beds, there’s the Mel Bartholomew Square Foot Gardening. I think I said his name incorrectly. Right, right. There’s several books on container gardening.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Gaia’s Garden is all about permaculture.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And there’s lots and lots of resources that we have out there that we can, you know, look into to see if, hey, how to do this stuff.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. And I would, you know, where, you know, I got my training was, you know, CSU Extension. So if you go to their website, which is extension.colostate.edu, that’s perfect. It has…
SPEAKER 03 :
the whole gamut of everything so awesome yeah check that out all right it was a pleasure being with you guys today get your get your garden planned and be ready for this summer keep your eyes open your ears open yes and always be ready sounds good
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