Explore the often misunderstood world of political motivations with John Rush and Eli Burmer in this enlightening episode. They dissect the reasons why certain individuals gravitate towards politics and how this affects the structures within the GOP. Listen in as they critique the existing caucus model in Colorado, highlighting both its flaws and the opportunities it presents for small, fringe groups to take control. This engaging conversation promises to offer clarity to anyone puzzled by the state’s political processes.
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We’re going to continue on with our conversation about some of the candidates running for the GOP chair in Colorado. Plus, I’ve got some other rebuttals and things to talk about when it comes to some text messages that came in last week. Before we do that, though, Eli Burmer joining us now. Eli, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m doing great. How are you guys doing today?
SPEAKER 06 :
Doing great. Good to hear from you, Eli.
SPEAKER 09 :
Eli, I got a couple questions for you I want to lead right in. Number one, shoot straight with us. With the current construction of the State Central Committee, the SCC, is there any chance that anyone gets elected to be chair who is not insane?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, I think, to be fair, if there’s a huge auto pileup on I-70 and a whole bunch of people weren’t able to make it, maybe, but it’s hard to know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, seriously, look, what I mean is this. The Davidians, as I call them, have overrun so many of the RE-ORG meetings throughout the state. They’ve simply taken over. I think about 60% of the state central committee only wants to support people who want to cancel the primary, endorse in primaries if we hold them, and basically do every divisive thing David has been doing. Would you agree?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I think that’s the runaway bet right now based on what we’ve seen out of these meetings. And, guys, that’s to be expected. Last time I was on, we talked about this and how these folks sort of have an advantage. It’s an archaic system.
SPEAKER 06 :
uh that that is easily overrun by people who don’t really have anything better to do with their time so you know i think yeah that’s unfortunately that’s the direction we’re headed john talks about this too go ahead oh i eli you are preaching to the choir i feel the same way and i know a lot of people would say well that’s the core of you know the way the party has always worked and this that and the other and that’s the way it’s supposed to work it’s grassroots it’s ground up so on and so forth um Actually, I’ve been to a lot of those meetings over the years. Eli helped a candidate actually get elected long before most of the people that are even around these committees today are there. In other words, because of being a native and being around this as long as I have, Eli and I saw the same sorts of things happening then. And all it’s done is gotten gotten progressively worse over the years.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it has. And I grew up around this, too. I lived here my entire life. In 1994, my father ran for county commission. It was the first of two times that he ran and got elected both times. And he ran through the caucus system. And I’ll tell you guys, it was a fundamentally different process back then. People were very serious about it. We had a very different group of people who were involved at the time. that were really about screening candidates, and they took their job very seriously. This was in the days before the Internet when people couldn’t do research on their own. I mean, you have to remember there was a time when we didn’t have phones that you could just Google something. We didn’t even know what Googling was. We thought it was a number back then. And then in 2010, this all turned on its head with – Ron Paul’s campaign, he realized that a small group of obstructionists could leverage caucus systems. And he actually put a training mechanism together. And he was sort of the father of the caucus obstruction. And if you draw a line in the sand at the 2010, 2008, when he ran for president, you start seeing that caucuses around the country were taken over by fringe elements And it’s like any combat. Once you learn a tactic, you can’t unlearn it. And ever since then, the few remaining caucus states have been overrun by people that simply don’t represent vast swaths of the population anymore.
SPEAKER 09 :
Eli, I mean, explain this to me. Caucuses come to a point where well under one percent of Colorado Republicans attended. OK, so if well under one percent of Colorado Republicans attended, how could it be representing the grassroots?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it isn’t. It is, in fact, the establishment, and everything here is a misnomer. And when you have a small fringe element that is controlling the system or the policy, that creates a problem. And this is not just a problem the Republicans have. You guys know one of my passionate issues is protecting women’s sports because it’s important for our nation. I was effectively the first national Republican that came out and said this should be a conservative Republican issue. Last week, actually I think it was yesterday, the U.S. Senate, every single Democrat in the U.S. Senate voted to allow men and women’s sports. Now that is an issue that conservatively pulls 80% in the opposite direction. And yet Democrats are still holding this issue. That is a tension that in a Democratic Republic will not stand. And the Democrats are going to face whiplash for being out of touch with reality. But the caucus system has put Colorado Republicans out of touch with reality, which is why we don’t get Republicans elected statewide.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, you are 100% correct. Question, and we thought maybe you might be able to answer this, and I went into a diatribe in the last hour about some of the candidates we have now, and it always bothers me, Eli, when we have candidates that are doing a lot of things inside of the party. We have them now that want to run for GOP chair, and to my knowledge, and I can’t tell, and maybe you have some inside information, but Darcy, for example, I see nowhere that she has an actual job that produces income, which is always a red flag to me.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, she hasn’t for a long time. And this is a bit of a hobbyist situation for her. You know, and look, I don’t begrudge where people get their finances from as long as it’s legal. But you’re you’re correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, time out, though. Time out. Time out. Bear with me one second. I’m with you on that. And I agree with you. Until I look at things like, OK, what’s your lifestyle look like? Where are you living? What’s going on along those lines? In other words, are you just looking at this political hobby as a cash cow or are you really doing it because it’s really what your heart is into? And when somebody doesn’t have a really good paying income, I’m sorry, Eli, I just look at that. And I guess because I’ve been around the church world for so long and I see all sorts of people get into ministry because they can’t do anything else. I sometimes look at politics the same way and it bothers me.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I think you just hit the nail on the head. It’s not necessarily they don’t have the income. The question is, what’s the motivation? Are you doing this out of an abundance of, you know, that you’ve been so successful that you want to give back? Or are you doing this because you don’t really have anything else to do? And that’s a problem. I mean, we see that with a lot of politicians where, you know, they get elected and they’re, you know, they’re doing this because they don’t have anything to do. And I also come out of a I have not come out of, I still am in an evangelical Christian environment, and I’ve seen the same thing with, air quotes, Christian ministry, where I look at it and say, hey, wait a second, are you doing this because you’re called by God or because you’re called by a small paycheck?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, are you called by God or are you called because there’s no other choice?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You failed at everything else, so the reality is you’re not going to go into ministry because you can’t do anything else. And I’m not trying to be rude and harsh, Eli, but I’ve grown up in that world, and I’ve seen it over and over and over again.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, that’s the reality, and not to get too religious on a political talk show, but if you look at the Apostle Paul, what did he do? He was a tent maker.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
He didn’t go around and say, you know, you have to pay for me, and this wasn’t his hobby. He was making tents, and he was also a pretty phenomenal apostle at the same time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
And so I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad example for… for politics, I think it’s always fair to ask someone’s motivation. You know, I think it’s fantastic that Elon Musk is doing what he’s doing right now, and the Democrats are having a heyday trying to, you know, saying he’s trying to make money. I’m like, he literally has more money than anybody else in the world. He doesn’t need to. Yeah, he is an immigrant. He’s technically an African-American, if you want to slice the language correctly.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And he’s become so successful that he doesn’t need to steal any money because he’s got more than anybody else.
SPEAKER 09 :
Eli, did you ever think you would hear Democrats basically telling an immigrant, go back to Africa?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, I think they’ve thought it for a long time. They didn’t say it. It’s been crazy. Let’s be fair here. The KKK wasn’t Republican. That was Democrat. Right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I just want to make sure, Eli, that when I look at some of these candidates and I look at some of the background, and the other thing I talked about in the last hour that always bothers me, it’s like you haven’t been here – that long. You came here from God knows where. What’s the motivation in coming here in the first place other than we have this huge political vacuum in Colorado that a lot of newbies think they can jump into and then somehow chair jockey their way to the top and be the next representative or congressman? Sorry, that’s just how I see some of this.
SPEAKER 14 :
John, that is 100% correct. And there’s a saying that politics is theater for ugly people. And there’s a lot of truth to that, that people who can’t find success elsewhere unfortunately turn into the political system. And I think we get that in spades in Colorado because we have this cockamamie caucus system that has basically made it impossible for normal, well-adjusted human beings to participate in. I mean, we’re talking it’s about 50, 5-0 hours to cast a vote at the state level as a delegate. Now, if you get involved as a state central committee member, it can be 50, 75, 100 hours. I mean, that’s just incredible. If you’re a single parent or the spouse of a military member or a doctor or a business owner, you don’t have a lot of reason to want to be involved with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. You can’t do that. Yeah, I know, and everything you just said I firmly agree with, and I know there’s a lot of folks out there listening, and I will counter some of those here during this hour and next because a lot of them were texting me while I was on vacation while you and Andy were chatting, and I’ll get into some of that here in just a little bit because the reality is Man Alive, Eli, they drink the Kool-Aid.
SPEAKER 14 :
But it’s sad because this is such a failed system. And years ago, 10 years ago, I was in the George Washington University program for political management, top political management school in the world. And my master’s thesis was on the Colorado caucus system. And I researched this. And I’d seen it on and off for a while, but I hadn’t really understood how bad it was until I looked elsewhere. And I discovered… that there were a whole bunch of other systems that were out there, and Colorado was simply the worst of all the systems.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, Eli, think about it. Isn’t it set up for failure? Because, first of all, we were talking in the last hour, Republicans are depressed, obviously, in Colorado. They’ve been overwhelmed by about a million blue state voters moving in over the last couple decades. We’re simply outnumbered. And so you get to feeling hopeless. What’s the point? Meanwhile, we have a caucus system. that basically run the caucus and assembly system that runs our party. And so a very small, mobilized group can look at this and say, wait a minute, you mean the leadership of the Colorado Republican Party is decided by well under 1% of Colorado Republicans? Yes, it is. Okay, then can’t just a very small, mobilized group overwhelm that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, no, you can’t, because structurally, it’s set up for the people who don’t have other things to do with their time. That’s the group. That’s what I mean. Yeah, exactly. And so the problem is that the people that don’t have anything better to do with their time have a strategic advantage in what’s called opportunity cost. Their opportunity cost is very low, and so they can consume a tremendous amount of the product, which is the party management system. And so, John, going back to what you were saying, like asking about a candidate’s, you know, productivity for lack of better term if you’re an unproductive person whether it’s you know for whatever reason then your opportunity cost to participate in the system is very low on the other hand if you’re productive because you’re a business owner a family person or military your opportunity cost is high and therefore it’s much more expensive for you personally to participate so on average the more successful you are the less involved you are with the party
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is correct. And it comes down to incentives. And actually, I started researching, as I said, about 10 years ago, and it had never occurred to me that you could run a system other than a caucus system. And last week when we were on air, we were talking about how Donald Trump had won not only non-caucus states, but he won open primary states. Gasp. Crazy. And so there’s 49 states who do it better than we do. there’s many states that have left the caucus system, and guess what? They figure it out. Florida doesn’t have a caucus system, and 10 years ago they were a bluish-purple kind of state, kind of on the bubble. Today they’re bright, bright red, and they don’t have a caucus system. So a lot of these people, they’re in an echo chamber, and they say, gee, you have to have a caucus system to have a conservative system. a Republican state, and that’s just simply not true.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because isn’t that also true of Texas and Alabama? Weren’t we talking about that? Absolutely. Yeah. OK, so here you’ve got deep red states that have actually been holding either moving red or holding on to red. And you’ve got people in our state saying, if you don’t have the caucus, you’re going to kill the red. Right. We’re all going to become moderates. We’re all going to turn deep blue because you don’t care about holding on to the grassroots principles. Meanwhile, where are they holding on to them in states that they don’t have a caucus?
SPEAKER 14 :
And people have brought up the question, so how do Democrats survive this? The answer is that structurally, they have things like the teachers’ unions, and they tend to have better sort of lower-level grassroots organizations built in from the unions, predominantly teachers’ unions, that are able to activate around a caucus system and do the bidding of the Democrat establishment. You’ve also had Jared Polis, who for the last 20 years has overwhelmed the system with his own money and and polis is one of the most innovative uh… political financiers in the country so uh… you know it’s it’s been about the guy there for republican no and and and again i always give credit where credit’s due eli and yeah he’s he’s he’s worked that end of it extremely well look i i don’t agree with with much of his policies in fact outside of probably school choice he and i agree on school choice for sure uh… Outside of that, we don’t have a lot of agreement, but I will say he has been very innovative and very clever with political financing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Eli, I always appreciate your time. It’s always a joy talking to you. I always am envious when Andy and you get to do things because I enjoy talking to you as well. But thank you for joining us. I mean it sincerely.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, my pleasure, guys. Appreciate all you’re doing, and thanks for your listeners for being interested in this, and hopefully we can change our state.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. John from Cheyenne, what’s going on?
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, guys, how are you? John, welcome back.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, so I can point out the quintessential person who wanted to be elected office so they moved to a state they could get elected in. Liz Cheney.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, great example.
SPEAKER 12 :
She had never, she left Wyoming when she was 11 years old when her father got elected to Congress. Never lived here again until a year before she ran for office when Barber Cube had said she was retiring. And everybody thought because, you know, she’s a native of Wyoming and everything, she’d be great. And she got elected. On her name. And, you know, she left as soon as she got thrown out of office. She’s back living in Virginia. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
She had no loyalty whatsoever to you people up there in Wyoming. None at all. Nope.
SPEAKER 12 :
And if you want to go back to 2000, Hillary Clinton had never lived a day in her life in New York State until she moved there to be the senator.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and notice both of them went to states where all they had to do was win their primary, and they were going to win easily from there. She went to a blue state, and Liz went to a red state.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you know the other conspiracy theory behind Hillary, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
What?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, well, this has got some legs. JFK Jr. was a very experienced pilot, and he was going to be the next senator from New York. And all of a sudden, a very, very experienced pilot crashed his plane, opening it up for Hillary.
SPEAKER 06 :
I had not heard that. Yeah, I hadn’t heard that one either. All of a sudden, key word.
SPEAKER 12 :
All of a sudden, a very experienced pilot crashes his plane for a Clinton to get in. And the Clintons and people dying, that never happens.
SPEAKER 09 :
Imagine that. But just so you know, Epstein died naturally.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was a natural rope.
SPEAKER 09 :
It was suicide. He got suicide.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was a natural rope.
SPEAKER 12 :
with an actual rope and two guys pushing down on him.
SPEAKER 10 :
Uh-huh, kicking the chair out. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, I just have to laugh when all these conspiracies come up about the Clintons, and you look back and you start looking at the stuff that really did happen, and you go, yeah, that could probably happen. No, you’re right. But we better be careful about talking about this, otherwise we might be next on the Clinton line.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not arguing that one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, guys. Have a great day.
SPEAKER 06 :
You too, man. John, I appreciate you. We’ll take a break, come back, get caught back up. We’ve got our second candidate for the GOP chair that we’ll talk about in a moment. Affordable Interest Mortgage is next. Kurt Rogers. Find out what’s going on in the mortgage world today. Talk to Kurt directly, 720-895-0500.
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. Moving on to candidates that are running for Colorado GOP chair coming up the end of this month. And I read to you the resignation letter that Dave put out yesterday, and I also said that at the end of that, basically what Dave said is, because I can’t answer any questions and I can’t debate, I’m going to remove myself from the day-to-day face of the Colorado GOP, so bye. I’m paraphrasing, but that’s basically what he said.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
See you.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, I’m still a little surprised he did it because he would have been reelected.
SPEAKER 06 :
He would have. Well, my thought was, and I know your thoughts, but I said yesterday that I would not be shocked to see Dave run for either Polis’ governor seat or Hickenlooper’s Senate seat.
SPEAKER 09 :
I still think he’s going to try to take Jeff Crank’s seat in CD5. Keep in mind, look, here’s the way he can do it. Obviously, he cannot win in any primary, okay? Anything where he has to face a lot of voters, he can’t win. Just as a reminder, people, for those especially up in Wyoming, if you’re wondering, well, how can these lunatics become your state chair? Here’s how. 99.9-whatever percent of Colorado Republicans have no say in who is the state chair.
SPEAKER 06 :
Nope. Zero. Zero.
SPEAKER 09 :
OK, I actually have a vote.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, but you get one. None of the rest of us do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. But I’m greatly outnumbered. It doesn’t matter. And the state central committee is now at least 60 percent Davidian going into the vote. OK. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Total. That’s all, folks.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Look, when you’re talking, and they say, well, how can you say that about, because you can’t debate, you can’t answer any questions. Blind allegiance without being able to defend it is crazy.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ll get into some of that as far as the rebuttals of, okay, before we run out of time, let’s talk about the second candidate. We talked about Darcy Schoen, who actually was one of the first ones to throw her name into the pot. The next one now that I saw publicly, there’s been a couple of others, Britta Horne and others, but let’s talk about Laurie Sane next. Lori Sane, SAI and E. Who I’ve known for a long time, by the way, as far as politics in Colorado go.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Lori Sane is one of the very, very, very, very far right extreme end of the spectrum. Right. Okay. And that doesn’t mean that she holds far right extreme views. You and I hold pretty far right extreme views. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
According to those on the left, I should be punished for my views, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, me too. Okay, so it’s not the policy views that we hold. It’s how you think that we should advance the party in Colorado. And she is one of those who believes we need to get every hardliner as our candidate. It doesn’t matter what district. It doesn’t matter. Lori Sane is… I’ll just say it. She’s, in my opinion, one of the crazies. I believe she is as far gone as Dave Williams. And she, by the way, is in favor of everything that Rhino Watch says, everything that Dave Williams has done, everything all of them have done, she supports her.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, she supported, in the primary itself, who ran against Gabe Evans? What’s his name? Yeah. It starts with a J. Joshi. Joshi. So she was in favor of that. He lost by…
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe it was over 50 points.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was a slaughter.
SPEAKER 09 :
It was a slaughter. He would have lost, guaranteed, he would have lost the eighth. Just a reminder, everybody, she supported a guy in the eighth who would have lost easily because the guy who did win, Gabe Evans, won by 0.8%. Do you think that the guy who lost to him by 50%, I think it’s 56, 54, whatever, in the primary would have won that race in the general? So she supported someone who would have lost a seat for the U.S. House for Donald Trump. And she’s going to be our next chair, most likely.
SPEAKER 06 :
And this is the other reason why, again, nothing personal. Lori, if you’re listening, nothing personal. But when the likes of Rhinowatch… are essentially endorsing you and you’re lock, stock and barrel with them. And Dave, I’m going to be against you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Look, yeah, I guarantee you. Let me not say guarantee because I don’t want to be a million percent sure on these statements because Lori should be able to say for herself. And if she wanted to come on, you know, the open invitation to all these people. I believe she totally supports the state party endorsing in primaries, which is instant division. Every time you endorse in a primary, whoever you endorse against, they feel betrayed by their party leadership. It’s a terrible idea. Even Darcy just came out against it, which we’ll talk about in a moment. But she said… I mean, opting out of the primary, which would destroy us. The party’s over then. Yeah, the party’s over.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s finished at that point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because in other words, she would cancel the primary so that Dave could possibly run in the fifth. Now, let’s say Laurie’s saying cancel the primary. Here’s what happens. That means our… candidates are only chosen at assembly. There is no primary. The assembly is already run by the Davidians, especially down in CD5. You would think, well, Jeff Crank’s an incumbent. He would, no.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he wouldn’t be able to run.
SPEAKER 09 :
He would be thrown out for Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dave Williams would be our candidate in the fifth, and we would lose that seat as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because you wouldn’t have a primary any longer. Even if you’re an incumbent, this is key for everybody listening, please. Make sure you understand what Andy’s saying. If they get rid of our primary, they end it. Stop the primary, basically.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re saying that they’ll give us a closed primary.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they won’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
They have absolutely nowhere near the funds or resources available to do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a promise they can’t deliver on. They can’t deliver.
SPEAKER 09 :
And by the way, they know it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s a check they can’t cash, so it’s not going to happen. They don’t intend to. So the reality, yeah, they have no intention to. The reality is there wouldn’t be a closed primary. There would be no primary at all, meaning even if you’re an incumbent, you’re a Lauren Boebert. And all of a sudden they would like to have somebody else in that position besides her. Guess what? She’s no longer there. Right. Done.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re not going to win because you’re not going to win assembly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. And I guarantee you both Crank and Hurd will be thrown out at assembly. We’ll lose both those seats.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Okay. And the way that even Lauren has behaved towards the GOP chairmanship and the cronies around him and so on, she could be on the chopping block as well. And I mean that sincerely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
That would be tough. I think, Lauren, it would be tough to beat Lauren at assembly, even with the divisiveness.
SPEAKER 06 :
However, let me say this. You look at what Rhino Watch said about her.
SPEAKER 09 :
Let me say this, but it is possible. Oh, yeah. And Lauren is so popular. We got to keep in mind, Lauren was a terrible candidate in the general. Okay. Ken Buck, the previous election, won that seat by almost 25 points. 24 and a half, I think. Lauren only won it by under 12.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, before any of you criticize us, I would much rather have Lauren than Ken. Oh, yeah. So please, nobody criticize us. Those are just the facts.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Lauren votes my way much more than Ken’s.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I’m just talking about winning. These are just the facts. Yeah. Just winning. Just the data. Okay, anyway, Laurie Sane, every bad, dishonest thing that, or just corrupt thing that Dave Williams has done, Laurie Sane would applaud. Every single one, to my knowledge. To my knowledge. Maybe there’s somewhere where she divides, you know, deviates from him. That would be news to me.
SPEAKER 06 :
I haven’t seen it anywhere.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, and I mean, you know, she’s arms, you know… RMCO or what are they called? Rocky Mountain. RMGO. When was I thinking CO? RMGO. Rocky Mountain Gun Organization. Yeah. They have some good things, by the way. Yeah. And, look, they have some good things, but you know as well as I do, they’re not strategic at all.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, because you still have Dudley floating around. I’m sorry, but you do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, I’ll say this again. Dudley once told me on the phone that he preferred Barack Obama to Mitt Romney. Now, I’m not a Romney fan, but, dude.
SPEAKER 06 :
That would take Romney all day long.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, exactly. And so they get that extreme. They’re a purist, the purist of the pure. And it’s like, look, bottom line is, Laurie Sane is Dave Williams. As far as I’m concerned.
SPEAKER 06 :
The female version?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes. And some would say she’s worse. We’re going to have a guest come on next week, next Tuesday, who’s going to basically say that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Now, the other two, really quick. Britta Horn.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know the other person. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know her. Kevin McCarney, he’s the Mesa County chair. Actually, from what I’ve heard, good guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. I don’t know Kevin at all. And I know a little bit of Britta. I’ve talked to her here and there at times and have kind of known her past in Colorado, but I just don’t know her personally.
SPEAKER 09 :
What I do know about these two is this. They’re not insane, so they won’t get elected. These two, look, they both absolutely oppose everything Dave has been doing to divide the party. They believe that the party leadership should serve all Republicans equally. Well, right there, they’re not going to get chosen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so before we go to our next break, why the shift from Darcy along those lines? Because she is a Davidian through and through, and yet they wanted to endorse in the primary, I should say. But she just put a statement out, I believe, a day or two ago that says opposite of that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, I can only give my possibility. Here’s what I think. I think that Darcy and Dave had a bit, I don’t know how much, but a little bit of a falling out. Okay. Personally. And you know how friends are. Things happen. I don’t know. And because Darcy was absolutely devoted to Dave Williams and to defending everything Dave Williams has done, including the endorsing in primaries. Okay. Word is, from just rumors I’ve heard, so it’s just rumors, Dave is supporting Laurie Sainz.
SPEAKER 06 :
I could see that.
SPEAKER 09 :
If that’s the case, Darcy feels completely betrayed by Dave. And now Darcy just came out, and in no uncertain terms, and this is after being interviewed by Rhino Watch, okay, favorably by Chuck and Julie and Rhino Watch, she then comes out and puts out a message saying that she absolutely opposes leadership endorsing in primaries.
SPEAKER 06 :
I read it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. And she made no bones about it. Okay.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 06 :
She wants to even run an amendment. It’s called the Fair Amendment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. To end that entirely. Okay. That puts her at odds, 100%, at odds with Rhino Watch, Dave Williams, and all the crazies who support them. Okay. Why would she do that going into this race when 60% of the state central committee is that group? And I think it’s this. I think I’m just taking a shot here. I think she’s looking at it and saying, well, if Dave and some of these higher-ups are backing Lori Sane, I’m going to lose this thing. But what I can hope for is this. If I put out a couple positions where I align with the Britta Horn crowd, okay, because Kevin McCarney has no name rec, he’s not getting any votes, which is too bad. Great guy. And she says, okay, in the first vote, nobody will get 50%. But if my loyalists stick with me and I get Britta to give her people to me, we can then overwhelm Lori Sane’s people and take it at state. And so because of that, she could be triangulating. Basically, she could be positioning herself in the middle of, you know, Lori Sane and the Sane people. And basically, I know the Sanger’s people. I really don’t care. And basically saying, OK, I will have my loyalists that are going to support me no matter what. Nobody will get 50% in the first vote. Next time around, I get Britta to give me hers because I’m going to go to Britta and say, Britta, with the current construction of the state central committee, you have absolutely no chance. Lend me your support. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t think you’re too far off.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, it’s my best guess.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think you’re probably pretty close. And then we talk about the vice chair, which is Hope still running. And by the way, Hope, this is the other reason why I think you’re correct, because Hope has now aligned herself with Lori as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Which is sick. Hope and Darcy were connected at the, you know. They were.
SPEAKER 06 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it just sounds.
SPEAKER 06 :
I believe what you’re saying there because there’s been something that there’s a kerfuffle of some kind that’s happened because Hope just yesterday, I believe, has aligned herself with Lori.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. So that means that they are aligning against Darcy, which is unbelievable. Okay, that’s unbelievable. And that tells me that basically Darcy knows that they have betrayed her, and so she now is coming out and staking a couple positions that will actually be not insane.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sound like our show.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Payne, Charlie Grimes. And because it’s going to take me a while, in hour three, top of the hour, I am going to counter a text message that I had going back and forth when Eli and Andy were on on the 27th. And if you’re listening, I hope you are. I’m just going to go through. By the way, I don’t know when somebody texts me who their name is. Unless somebody tells me, I don’t have any idea. I don’t go do reverse lookups on phone numbers and try to find out who people are and so on. Frankly, I’ve got better things to do. So I don’t know what’s even male, female, young, old. I have no idea, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
And by the way, really quick here, we multiple times requested that anyone who disagreed call in and debate. But they can’t, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. And again, in the last hour here, I’ll get into why I know they can’t debate because I’ll share with all of you the conversation I had going back and forth. And I was just talking to Andy a moment ago during the break as to, you know, it’s sad. And again, nothing against the people that are running right now. And this isn’t personal. But it’s really sad that we don’t have any really strong, solid, well-known leaders that could win. And there are a few names, actually, that even with this crowd could win. It’s just sad that we don’t have any of them stepping up to take over the GOP chairmanship and try to right the ship. Because unfortunately, even the folks that I think are sane and that would do a good job and would do their best to get things back on track are unelectable.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m sorry to say.
SPEAKER 09 :
With the current SEC, they can’t be elected.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m sorry to say that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And by the way, when I say that, I’m sure people hear, Andy thinks they’re all nuts and insane. Guys, what I mean is this. They can’t defend the very person that they follow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, this is really quick. Make sure that you guys are all quoting this correctly. This is John talking, not Andy. So don’t be mad at Andy for this. This is me talking. And I’ve said this before, I’m going to say it again. The interaction that I have had with the individuals that are the Daveites and the Dave supporters, If I ran IQ tests on all of them, and I mean this sincerely, I highly doubt they would exceed 80. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. And I say that because when you cannot defend your positions factually, and all you do is blindly follow someone and repeat what somebody else tells you, and you can’t go look up the factual evidence for yourself, you’re a very low IQ individual. Sorry. It’s simple as that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it’s certainly not a good sign. Okay, what about a text?
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s me saying that, not Andy saying that. Thank you. So, again, I’ve got a text message that we will go into in the 5 o’clock hour. It’s going to take me a little time to dissect this. Because what I did in this particular case is I got a text message from somebody that was, again, against Andy and Eli. And Andy and Eli at that time must have been talking about the percentage of endorsements that the party made and the narrative that’s running around most of the place today.
SPEAKER 09 :
press and so on is the fact that they lost 14 of the 18 endorsements uh yeah really quick here for those who don’t know the state party had 18 endorsements in contested primaries in the republican throughout the state for republican party uh 14 of those lost most of them very badly
SPEAKER 06 :
So there’s people out there, and I got a text message along these lines that counter that by saying, oh, you guys are all wrong. They actually won 84% of their endorsements. So I will get into the factual data behind that and the fact that… While that is a make sure I say this right, Andy, while that is a true statement that, yes, they did win 84 percent of their endorsements. I have to give the backstory to that, because while that what’s that old saying, Andy, you can make data say whatever you want.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, let’s just say this. The moment you put that in context, you’re going to realize what a ludicrous statement it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Again, it’s a very low IQ statement because anybody with any kind of IQ that does any type of research, just a teeny bit of research, can blow that up. So when I say that the majority of the people that I have talked to that are the biggest Dave supporters have the lowest IQ, I firmly mean that and believe that, folks. And if somebody can prove me wrong, if you’re one of those Dave-ites and you’ve got 140 IQ, please tell me who you are, step up, show me your test, because I have a hard time believing anybody does.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ve only met one Dave supporter I found to be intelligent and able to defend himself. He and I never debated on Dave. We stayed away from it. He’s a lawyer. He was also a great candidate for us in one of our—unfortunately, he was in a blue district. But, you know, we never discussed. But I’ve never met anybody else on their side.
SPEAKER 06 :
So in that particular case, is that just somebody that’s high IQ that’s very misled?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think he is – I think he was basically – John, all I can think of is this. I think he just has some friends who were working with the state party and he wanted to be supportive.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s a different reason then.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because he has never indicated in any way, shape, or form that he endorses or embraces the favoritism and bias that they were putting out.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, and that is it for this second hour. Time is flying by today. Hopefully you’re having a great night. And it might get a little weather tonight. We’ll just see how things go. But again, I’m going to come back in the third hour. Got other things to talk about that we may get to as well. But really, I want to give a rebuttal to… Just a lot of the crazy claims that are out there. And for those of you that are hardcore Dave supporters, even though Dave is stepping down, please, I want you to listen. I want you to open your ears a little bit. Don’t think that I’m the bad guy. I’m just going to give you some factual evidence. that will disprove some of the narrative that’s coming out of the current GOP when it comes to the wins that they’ve been claiming to have had in this last election. So I’ll give you all that as soon as we come back. Don’t go anywhere. Myself and Andy will be right back. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy
