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And welcome to hour number three. It’s time for our Monday Mortgage Minute with Kurt Rogers of Affordable Interest Mortgage. Kurt, how was your weekend? Did you get drafted? How was your 40 time? I didn’t get drafted. I went past the fifth round. You went past the fifth round. Oh, you and Shadur. I’m sorry, man. Well, at least you guys got a lot to talk about. That’s good. Hey, Kurt, you have talked in the past about buy downs when you’re purchasing a home, either a two-to-one, three-to-one. Can you explain this to people and why it’s such a great opportunity?
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I don’t think a lot of people know about them or they think that they’re arms. The purpose of a buy-down, years ago a buy-down wasn’t available because what it is is the loan actually got purchased down to a lower rate for the first two or three years. Well, when rates are 3%, you’re not going to drop them 2% or 3% and have no interest rate. So the lenders don’t offer that. It’s when rates are where they are now. What makes them so attractive is if you’re waiting to buy a home, let’s say for a year, because you want rates in the fives, maybe mid-five, 5.75, you can actually get that rate now and not basically pay for it. There’s homes on the market. Sellers are negotiating on that. Over 67% of the homes are negotiating down. So that gives you the opportunity to get the seller to pay for the buy-down. And the way it works is you don’t have to put a lot of money down. You can buy a $600,000 house, put 5% down, own the house, and the payment the first year, it might be $2,800, but the first year it’s going to drop by $750,000. So you get to save $750,000 or roughly $9,000 in payment the first year. You’re still qualifying at the higher rate of $6,500, but you’ve got a real rate of $4,500. If you do a 3-2-1 buy-down, that interest rate goes down to 3.5%. So you’re able to take advantage of those rates now. Understanding that, here comes the best part of this 2-1-3-2-1 buy-down. At the end of the first year, you can take the money that’s still sitting in the account for the buy-down and use that to refinance and get a fixed rate at maybe 5%.
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Oh, okay, so if you’re thinking, man, if I do this, I’m going to lose getting a fixed rate, that’s not true.
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Because a lot of people, they want that fixed long-term low rate.
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You don’t have to pay for the refinance. The refinance is built into the money that is set aside for the buy-down. If you don’t use it all, you use it for a refinance. So you get a rate now of 4.5, and then a year from now, you go to 5.5, and you’re locked in. But you’ve got today’s housing price. You’ve got sellers that are more negotiable.
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It’s a great opportunity. Exactly, because when rates do go down, what’s going to happen to the prices of houses? They’re going to go up. So if right now you can get the houses that are at a lower price, you grab the house, you get it at this rate, you do the 3-2-1 buy-down, and then you lock in and you get a lower rate later.
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Yeah, you look at a rate right now on a 5% down and maybe 6.625 with an APR of 6.385. Okay. So you’re not paying any money to bring it in. The seller’s paying the money. You’ve got the advantage of taking the rate now and having them pay for you to refinance it to get a firm rate lower later.
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Well, then that’s happening at a pretty good time because right now, let’s face it, the sun is out, spring is here, it’s home buying time. So right now at home buying time, because a lot of people I think are really worried, Kurt, because home buying time is hitting at a time with high rates and they’re thinking there’s no way to get around the system. You just gave them a way around the system. I love it.
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Yeah, I have quite a few customers that I’ve got free approvals on that I’ve given them this kind of loan, and it works out just marvelous for them.
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Awesome. All right, Haystack Help Radio tomorrow from noon to 1. What are we covering this week?
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We’re going to be talking about all the advantages and how to get the best rate and the lowest price when you’re doing purchases or refinance and how to improve your credit score.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush on the line right now. We’ve got Jersey Joe. Hey, Joey, how you doing? Andy, I’m doing okay. How you doing? Doing all right, doing all right. I have the worst accent ever, but you know what? I enjoy doing it, and that’s what really matters. That’s all I can say. All the people pointing and laughing, they’re my friends.
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Hey, by the way, I’ve got a couple of trivia since you just did the NFL drafts. I’ve got two trivia questions, one of which is a sports trivia, but you’ve got to answer it within 10 seconds. Okay. Now, most NFL teams in their team name either have a city or a state. There’s two NFL teams that have a team name that’s not associated with a specific state or city. What are those two NFL teams? You’ve got 10 seconds.
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The Commanders?
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No, Washington Commanders. That’s a city.
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Oh, okay.
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Not associated with a specific city or state.
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I’ve not really thought about this. I don’t know.
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New England Patriots. Oh, okay. Very good. And the Carolina Panthers because they don’t specify North Carolina or South Carolina.
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North or South. Okay, that’s good. That’s good.
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Yeah, so there’s two NFL teams. By the way, can you name the two teams that are associated with states and not cities?
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With states and not cities. Arizona.
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Right.
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Okay, I’m just thinking, kind of wheeling through them really quick here. I know it’s not Green Bay because that’s not even a city. Minnesota.
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Yep, Minnesota and Arizona. So you’ve got two that are associated with states, not cities. and two that are associated with neither a state or a city. Interesting. Interesting. All right. Okay. Now I’ve got an agricultural thing. New England.
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I wonder, really quick here, New England, how’d they come up with that? It beats the hell out of me. I mean, it’s a Boston team, right?
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Well, it is. But you look at the New York Giants have been playing in the New Jersey Meadowlands Stadium for going on close to 30 years now, but they’re still the New York football Giants. Yet they haven’t set foot in New York City. In 30 years. I like that. Okay. All right, Joe, go ahead. Here’s another trivia for you and your listeners. What is the most consumed fruit in the United States in all of its forms? And by all of its forms, I mean if we said oranges, that would include oranges, orange juice, orange marmalade, you know, in all of its forms. But it’s not oranges. And it’s not oranges. So what is the most consumed fruit in the United States?
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Is a tomato a fruit?
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It is the tomato, which is a fruit.
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Oh, I took a shot. I just took a shot.
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The tomato is the most consumed fruit. You’ve got tomato, spaghetti sauce, ketchup, you know, tomato soup, you name it. Tomato is the most consumed fruit in the United States.
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Now, that was like sinking a 90-foot putt, just so you know. You’ve got to be pretty impressed there.
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No, I’m impressed, Andy. Yes. I took a shot. Most people don’t know that the tomato is a fruit. The seeds are in the inside. Anyway. Okay. I nailed it. Go ahead. You nailed it. By the way, in the first hour, you talked very briefly about the judge in Wisconsin who’s been arrested. And I want to go back and dig into it. But I want to preface that with my quote of the week because there’s so much misinformation being promulgated on these liberal websites about, you know, why she shouldn’t have been arrested. And this is anonymous information. and here’s the quote, it says, it’s incredible that so many people require so little proof to believe a lie, yet they require endless proof to the contrary, still won’t get them to change their mind. Some of these will put up this meme about, well, the ICE agents didn’t have the right kind of warrant, and people automatically, no fact-checking, believe it, defend it, and then you give them proof after proof after proof, they, you know, You can quote the U.S. Code of Justice. They still won’t believe it. Mark Twain once said, it’s far easier to fool people than to convince them that they’ve been fooled. And that’s what I’m seeing. And by the way, these liberal sites, particularly on Facebook, there’s five or six of them, have mastered the art of telling the lie. Now, what are some of the lies they’ve been telling? The ICE agents didn’t have the right kind of warrant. Well, Guess what? They did have a warrant, and it was what’s known as administrative warrant. They’re saying, well, it wasn’t a judicial warrant. It was no good. Well, most people, here’s a fine point. The only difference between a judicial warrant and an administrative warrant is that a judicial warrant gives a law enforcement officer the right to enter private property, like your home or an apartment, if they have a reasonable belief that the person they’re looking for is in that home or apartment. Administrative warrant doesn’t give you that same right of entry. What does it give you? Well, they were in a public place. They were in the hallway of the courtroom. Right. The courthouse, rather. The courthouse is a public facility, and the hallway is open to the public. They were waiting in the hall. And by the way, the judge had come out because when they got there, the ICE agents and an FBI agent identified themselves to one of the deputies. and said, you know, we’re here to take so-and-so into custody who was there for a hearing in front of this judge on domestic violence. He had beat up two women. And they were there waiting to testify against him. So the deputy goes in and gets the judge. The judge comes out. She tries to tear them. And they’re, well, you need to go see the chief judge, blah, blah, blah. You can’t come into my courtroom. They never set foot in her courtroom, by the way. And she said, where’s your warrant? And they showed him a warrant. But they didn’t need a warrant because they also had a two-year-old signed deportation order which authorized his arrest. He was basically a fugitive from justice. But to put icing on the cake, they also had an administrative arrest warrant, which was more than adequate to an effect and arrest in a public building because they weren’t trying to go into anybody’s home. So the judge says, well, you need to wait outside my courtroom. She does have jurisdiction over her courtroom. She can decide who can and can’t be in her courtroom. Well, so… They’re waiting out in the hallway, which is the one and only public entrance and exit to her hallway. And then if you read the 11-page complaint, which you’ll be able to find on my Jersey Joe website, you’ll see where the agents detail the fact because the prosecuting attorney, the district attorney, was in the courtroom because they were prosecuting him for this domestic violence. Right. And according to that affidavit, in the middle of his hearing, the judge motioned to his attorney – to come forward, only him, which is known as ex parte, during any sort of a trial or hearing, you’re not permitted to speak to only one attorney. And then after she spoke to the attorney, she stepped down from the bench. And the minute, by the way, the minute she stepped down from behind her bench, she was no longer acting in her capacity as a judge. Right. And so his attorney motions his client to come forward into the end where he sits in the jury box and they chat a little bit more. And then the judge, who is no longer behind her bench, motions to this guy to follow me, and she personally leads him out through that jury door into a non-public hallway, where he then proceeded to exit the building through a locked fire door.
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Yeah, she was smuggling him out.
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Right. Now, there’s a concept in, well, she had every right to do it. No. There’s a concept in the law. You ever heard the term mens rea?
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I’ve heard it.
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Go ahead. It’s Latin for criminal mind. In other words, let’s say, you know, we’re doing so we’re playing basketball and I pivot and I hit you in the mouth with my elbow. I had no criminal intent. So you can’t file charges against me for assault if it was accidentally. But if we’re doing something and you’re trying to, you know, you’re grabbing me from behind and I intentionally take my elbow and hit you in the mouth of my elbow. with the intent to hurt you. I have a guilty mind. I have intent. Well, this judge clearly had intent to break the law. Right.
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Obviously, she was trying to smuggle this bad guy, this illegal immigrant, out so ICE wouldn’t get him. I mean, this is case closed. This is obvious.
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She knew she was a wanted man because she asked to see the warrant, and they showed her the warrant. Here’s the warrant. Here’s the signed deportation order. So she clearly knew this guy was a fugitive from justice. So when she stepped down from behind that bench, she clearly – now, I don’t think she’ll ever spend a day in jail, but I’ll be happy. She needs to. Well, she needs to, but I’ll be happy if she simply gets disbarred and never serves another day as a judge or an attorney in this country.
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Well, how could she do it again? How could she serve as a judge now when everybody knows what she did? OK, how can anybody coming into that courtroom look at her and say, oh, yeah, you can rule fairly on our our criminal proceedings here? How can they do that when she did a criminal act like that right there in the classroom? All because of her activism. I mean, come on. There’s no way you can take her seriously.
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Not at all. So I just want to expand upon I mean, you did touch it. And there was probably a bunch of people listening this hour who weren’t able to tune in on the three o’clock hour. So I just wanted to just wanted to revisit that one.
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OK, really quick here before you run on, you know, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, he put out a thing instructing all state employees to help illegal immigrants avoid ICE. Did you hear this? No, I didn’t. Yeah. OK, here’s the memo. It’s real quick. There’s like five points on it. Here we go. This memo went out to all state workers in Wisconsin. Number one, refuse to answer any questions from ICE agents, even regarding individuals known to be sought by federal authorities. Number two, deny agents access to paper records and electronic files, even if the agents present a warrant. Number three, prevent agents from entering any non-public areas of state buildings unless they produce a judicial warrant. Number four, instruct agents to sit in public waiting areas and delay any interactions until a state attorney can be contacted. I’m not kidding. And finally, number five, order ICE agents to leave and return at a later time if legal counsel is not immediately available. In other words, if they’re going to contact these people to remove them from our country, these people who invaded our country, totally avoiding the rule of law, We’re going to help them lawyer up in Wisconsin and protect them in every way, shape, or form and make ICE jump through every hoop we possibly can.
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There’s a huge difference between not assisting somebody and actively interfering. That’s interfering. And some of the things you read, I think, not only border, I think, go over the line in terms of actual active interference. And active interference with a federal law enforcement officer is obstruction of justice. So if they want to join that judge in jail and have their pictures taken, by all means, actively interfere with the legal operation of federal law enforcement officers.
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That’s from the governor. I think that Pam Bondi should be giving the governor a call.
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I think she should. Yeah. And I think she should maybe go over his memo point by point. And so you do realize you’re obstructing state employees to obstruct justice, which is which is a crime. Are you sure? You want to rethink that?
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Yeah, you might want to rethink that. I’m telling you what, man, Wisconsin’s my home state. That’s why I take it so personally, Joe. I mean, I get so angry about this. They’re totally lawless. They’re totally lawless. They’ve got this judge who protects. And by the way, this was a dangerous illegal alien. Okay.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is not just somebody who, I don’t know, worked, did some work for them. This is a dangerous person who hurts American citizens.
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Okay. There were two different, two different women in the courtroom waiting to testify against him. Yes. And one had been, you know, putting, by the way, and here’s something else the judge did. And when she called the attorney over, it was in the middle of his hearing. His hearing wasn’t over. And then in the middle of his hearing, she steps down from behind the bench, leads him out through the door. When she returns to the courtroom and gets up behind her bench, she advises the prosecuting attorney for the state after the fact that, oh, by the way, the case against whatever his name was has been adjourned. You don’t let the guy leave the courtroom until you say case adjourned. She let him out of the courtroom and after the fact told the prosecuting attorney, oh, his case has been adjourned.
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Yeah, she needs to never enter a courtroom again as a judge, ever. Because how can she do it? How can anybody take her seriously, Joe? And I would say this if she was some person on the right who did things like this. It doesn’t matter. You’re lawless. You’re lawless. Okay, let’s take a break. We’ll come back with Jersey Joe. Up next is Geno’s Auto. Great mechanics, loaner cars, everything you need to get back on the road for the best in auto care. Call Geno’s at 303-794-6700.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Eddie Pete filling in for John Rush. On the line, we got Jersey Joe. Joe, how can people reach you?
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If they want to see my weekly podcast, which is about 30 minutes long, they can find it at jerseyjoe.com. You just need to remember to spell Jersey, J-E-R, as in Robert, Z as in zebra, E-E, J-E-R-Z-E, jerseyjoe.com. If you want to get on my weekly distribution list where I can send you the podcast once we complete it, just send me an email to joe at jerseyjoe.com. And as soon as we wrap up the weekly podcast, which we typically send out on Wednesday morning, it’ll show up in your inbox. So joe at jerseyjoe.com. But if you want to see on the podcast, you know, we play a lot of clips like we’re going to do tonight, and we have story links online. And so if you hear me talk on the podcast about a particular story or play a video, and you want to see that or download that, go to the JerseyJoe.com website, because every story we talk about and every clip we play, we put those links on the website linked to that day’s podcast.
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All right. Well, we have already fixed Wisconsin, by the way. Thank you. And what else can we fix?
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Okay, let’s go. I want to get to Charlie Kirk about on deportation. But real quick, Wisconsin, not Wisconsin, Washington State Friday signed into law a new law that gives $120,000 reparations grant to select minorities. Now, you and I, if we lived in Wisconsin, we wouldn’t qualify.
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Are you sure? Because I’m a white heterosexual male.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you don’t qualify. By the way, I’m a good guy. Anyway, the law basically, the law says if you are, and they list like five specific, you know, black, Hispanic, Asian Indian, American Indian, you will qualify for $120,000 zero interest down payment forgivable loan to buy a house. Now, if you live in the house for five years and you make less than 80% of the AMI, area median income, every medium household income, your loan will be completely forgiven after five years. Now, let’s talk about how low of a bar that is. What big companies headquartered in Seattle?
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Starbucks?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yes. But how about more importantly, Microsoft? Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Nobody who works for Microsoft makes less than $100,000. So if your husband and wife, you’re probably bringing home uh you know 250 300 000 between you so that’s one way so so if you’re one of the uh specified minorities you’ll get 120 000 forgivable loan after five years if your household income is less than 80 of the area median income it’s forgiven now what if for some reason you don’t make less than 80 well what it says is that even if you didn’t qualify for the forgiveness whenever you might sell your house in the future, five years, 10 years, 20 years from now, all you have to do is repay the original $120,000 with no interest. How’d you like to have a $120,000 zero interest loan for 10, 15, or 20 years?
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That’d be pretty awesome.
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Pretty awesome. Anyway, I have no doubt that will found to be unconstitutional. It violates Equal Protection Act. It violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, where you can’t discriminate You know, because that’s how they got rid of the preferential treatment for college admissions, you know, on the same thing, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. But that’s just – and you have to ask yourself, when governors and when state legislatures and governors, because they did it in Colorado with these gun laws, they know it’s unconstitutional. They know they’re going to lose, but they pass them anyway. So, you know, you’ve got to ask yourself what’s going on in their minds when they pass these laws.
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Are they just trying to flood the Trump administration with so many of these ridiculous laws that it ties up the Supreme Court? Because this is going to have to go to the Supremes. You know it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I don’t know. Obviously, it’ll have to go through a few intermediate courts before it gets there.
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Right.
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And one thing the Supreme Court can do, by the way, if a lower court rules against the state, the Supreme Court can just decline to hear it, in which case the lower court ruling would stand. So I hope that’s the way it goes. Hey, I know we’re tight between now and a break, so I want to get this Charlie Kirk video on, and let me preface this. Now, he’s at a college, and he gets some first-year law student, thinks that he’s going to nail Charlie by pointing out how illegal the current Trump deportation policies are. And so Charlie Kirk just handles this kid masterfully. He demolishes the kid. So let’s play, and Charlie Kirk is not a lawyer, by the way, so turning point, but let’s play Charlie Kirk demolishing this first-year lawsuit.
SPEAKER 18 :
Trump’s deportation of illegal immigrants is unconstitutional. Oh, it’s very constitutional, yeah. Okay. I disagree with that. I believe that it is in a violation of the Fifth Amendment, which provides due process to all persons in the United States. This would include non-citizens. And many of these people are being deported without having a trial or going before a judge, which is in violation of their due process.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, so you are right that if… You are right. If there’s an illegal here and they commit a crime while they are an illegal resident or legal individual, illegal, they do get due process. However, there’s two exceptions to that. There’s something called expedited removal. So if someone comes within 14 days or they’re within 100 miles of the border, the Supreme Court has ruled that you do not have to give them the same due process rights. Or if you invoke the Alien Invasion Act, which President Trump has, 1798 law, which allows you to expel people that are here that might be part of enemy gangs or enemy organizations that have invaded the homeland. So under those two provisions, you are allowed to expel people here in the country without traditional due process rights.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I do have some issue with that, specifically with your second point of Trump relying on the Alien and Sedition Act. We can see that whenever Joe Biden – It’s not the Sedition Act, but you’re close. Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER 21 :
No, you’re good. It’s the Alien Invasion Act, but it’s fine. It’s all good. Actually, they were passed right next to each other, so you’re not that far off.
SPEAKER 18 :
So we can see with Joe Biden, when he tried to forgive student loan debt, he was relying on a law that was roughly 20 years old. And the Supreme Court said in that case that a president relying on a law that was passed in a time that’s too different from today’s times can be unconstitutional. And I think if that was ruled to be unconstitutional with a law only being 20 years old, that Donald Trump relying on a law that was passed in the 18th century would be very unconstitutional. That point sounds smart. Should we get rid of the First Amendment? I’m confused where you’re going with that.
SPEAKER 21 :
It’s pretty old. The First Amendment has been… It’s from 1787. Should we get rid of the abolition of slavery? That’s from the 1860s. Should old laws be getting rid of? Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it’s bad. Should we get rid of the Second Amendment, the Fourth Amendment? You’re the one arguing for due process, which actually was authored in 1791. So old stuff doesn’t mean it’s bad. To just criticize it on its merits, not how long it’s been around.
SPEAKER 18 :
But these things have been reaffirmed several times. With the First Amendment, there have been several cases regarding the First Amendment. We can see that it was incorporated into the states. We can see with other cases like West Schoolbird v. Barnett.
SPEAKER 21 :
Same with the Alien Invasion Act. It’s never been ruled unconstitutional. It’s been heard many times.
SPEAKER 18 :
But when has it been reaffirmed by the Supreme Court?
SPEAKER 21 :
Multiple times. It’s never, I believe in like 1850, there was another, 1950. It hasn’t in the last couple of decades, of which there will be a legal challenge. But understand, this is specifically about Trend de Arago and MS-13. That is specifically the carve-out of this law that allows the president to have expedited removal of people that are affiliated with enemy gangs that, by the way, have committed crimes here at the interior of the country. to get them off our homeland. And so the question really is, if you’re part of an enemy gang, shouldn’t you go back to your country of origin and not stay here in the United States of America when you’re raping or murdering or having domestic violence or abuse? Not only that, the American people overwhelmingly voted for that in November.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I don’t believe that these people who are being deported are affiliated with a criminal organization, at least the majority of them aren’t.
SPEAKER 21 :
The Trump administration has deported… Every one of them has documentation that they’re part of MS-13, including Garcia from Maryland. That’s not correct. The Maryland dad actually, it’s come out. He was part of MS-13, acknowledged he was part of MS-13. He actually beat his wife in 2021. His wife says, I actually don’t want to be around my husband anymore because my husband Garcia is beating me. He said he was afraid to go to El Salvador because an enemy gang was going to come after him. Huh, enemy gang. That sounds like a gang member to me. And guess what? You should be happy. He’s home. He’s from El Salvador and he’s back in his country of origin. We sent him home. He’s not an American. He’s not an American resident. He’s not an American citizen. He’s not here legally. He broke into the country, committed crimes, was part of MS-13, and was removed under this provision back to his country of origin, all of which is legal and perfectly accessible.
SPEAKER 18 :
You’re saying all these things, and while they might be true, they’ve not been shown to be true. And the Trump administration claiming that these things are true gives dangerous precedent. If the Trump administration can just claim that a person living here is part of a gang.
SPEAKER 21 :
He acknowledged it. He said it in his own asylum cases. In 2019, his own documents, he said, I am part of a gang that if I go back to El Salvador, I will be murdered. I need asylum in America because another gang might murder me. And again, this guy beat his wife. Why are Democrats going out of their way to defend the worst of our society? Maybe they should fight this hard for American citizens for once. You want to know why Trump is so popular? The left goes out of their way to fight for foreigners that have broken into our land and commit crimes and that have affiliation with the worst organizations on the planet while the American citizen is being left behind. That is the power of our movement and I wish the American left would have some spirit and some fight for the forgotten men and women of this country. Not just foreigners here illegally. Final point if you’d like to make one. Thank you for your time.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, Joe, you and I, we do a lot of debating people online. And you can always tell when the person you’re debating makes a critical error. And you know when you’ve got them. It’s like watching a chess match and someone moves the rook where they shouldn’t. And you know, wait a minute, I got them in eight moves. This was stupid. The moment that kid… decided to say that you’re citing an old law. You knew he was done because the entire Constitution is an old law. You knew he was dead. And I can just tell that someone was salivating the moment he said that. It’s just like, oh my gosh, thank you. I’m going to beat the, I’m going to pummel you with this. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
He was so couldn’t wait. By the way, and in terms of, now you heard, well, you know, the U.S. deported a two-year-old kid, you know, back to Honduras, said, You know, what happened? They deported his mother, and her mother, who had custody of the two-year-old child, said, I want my child to come with me. I’m her legal guardian. So the U.S. didn’t deport a two-year-old child. The mother took the child. It was her option. So the government said, okay, we’ll buy a plane ticket for your two-year-old, too. Now, so let me go back. Does the name Elian Gonzalez ring a bell? Oh, yes. For those who don’t remember, in 2000, there was a raft full of Cuban refugees who trying to make their way to florida um and they all drowned except this little little um a little five-year-old boy who they the coast guard found clinging to an inner tube anyway so they rescued he was treated boom boom he had relatives in the united states anyway his father had remained in cuba he was not on the raft with the mother so um the boy’s father and by and the uh And the boy had relatives. He had aunts and uncles, grandparents. So they have temporary custody. They’re filing for asylum for the boy. The boy’s father, who’s still a citizen of Cuba, says, I want my son back. Well, it goes through the courts, and the grandparents, they’re all filing asylum claims. He just stays here. Anyway, the courts ruled in favor of the father. Well, the family didn’t want to give the boy up. and Bill Clinton was president at the time, Bill Clinton sent U.S. Marshals to the aunt and uncle’s homes, armed with AR-15 rifles, to seize, by now he’s six years old, to seize him and took him by force from the aunt and uncle to hand him back over to his father, who had flown to the U.S. to take possession of his son. So U.S. Marshals with AR-15s, literally pulled this boy from the, uh, the arms of his aunt and uncle.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, as Charlie just said off air, he was hiding in a closet, hiding in the closet.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. So us marshals with rifles, uh, helped, uh, send this kid back to, uh, now obviously he was only six years old.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Uh, but you know, that’s just put a little perspective on, on, uh, what we’re hearing in terms of this is not the first time we’ve had, uh, uh,
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. On the line, we got Jersey Joe. Joe, what else you got? How much time we got? Oh, we got about eight minutes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, good. Remember Nick Freitas from last week? Yes. He’s got another great clip, and this is about A feminist saying, I’d never be a stay-at-home mom, I don’t get paid for this. Well, he responds to a young lady who just asked him a question about motherhood. So if we can play the clip by Nick again, he’s the delegate to the Virginia House of Commons.
SPEAKER 09 :
I just got done listening to a very angry young feminist explain how she would never be a stay-at-home mother because this country doesn’t respect, quote, all of the unpaid labor women do. I just want to point something out here real quick. If you want to be a good mother or a good father, you are going to do a lot of unpaid labor when it comes to raising your kids because kids are horrible about paying you to actually do those things, probably because you’re the ones that chose to have them and therefore have a responsibility to take care of them. Secondly, unpaid doesn’t mean uncompensated. I mean, yeah, in my arrangement, my wife primarily stayed home and educated the children. And I primarily provided the income. But both of us looked at the contributions that we were making as complimentary and overall beneficial for our family. We weren’t in competition with one another on that front. Secondly, if she had chosen to work outside the home, well, we would have had to pay someone else to raise and educate our children. And we just didn’t see that as an ideal arrangement. Now, if you don’t like any of this and you’d like to do something different, be my guest. Do whatever you think is best for you, your marriage and your family. But on the other hand, just understand that there are tradeoffs involved here. And quite frankly, we’re really happy with the tradeoff that we made. And we didn’t see it as paid labor versus unpaid labor. We saw it as two people in a loving relationship doing what they thought was best in order to provide an environment where a family can thrive. And guess what? It did. So there’s that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Patriarchy. Yeah. Oppression.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oppression. Anyway, so if you might want to follow Nick Fritasi, that’s F-R-E-I-T-A-S. That was good. Hey, one more quick one for you. Did you hear about the mass murder in Vancouver, British Columbia yesterday?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it was horrible.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, was it an AR-15 or an AK-47?
SPEAKER 10 :
It was an AK-something with an engine.
SPEAKER 06 :
A six-year-old SUV. Right. And again, this is, you know, and we’ve talked in the past, you know, in the past six months, we’ve had, you know, vehicle attacks in Germany and Sweden and the U.S. And, you know, and here’s my point. People and politicians who think that you can prevent an evil and or crazy person from killing a half a dozen or more innocent victims in under 60 seconds just by limiting their access to a specific type of weapon. probably also think you can make a balloon smaller just by squeezing it in one spot.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. Oh, Joe, it blows my mind. Everybody who’s been in rush hour is surrounded by hundreds of people with loaded weapons. These are vehicles. It’s thousands of pounds of metal hurtling along at high speed that you can barrel into anyone you want. We have to understand it’s with a great amount of trust that we even drive in traffic. He’s these. Well, seriously, you got to trust that this person isn’t going to weave into your lane that, you know, everybody’s going to stay where they’re supposed to and so forth. And the moment they don’t, we have an accident. I mean, guys, people can kill with vehicles so easily and you can you plow into a crowd. You take out so many. It’s incredible. How many die up there and how many were injured?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, two dozen. And, of course, the guy in Nice, France killed 86 people in 60 seconds because he used the box truck.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right outside Milwaukee, remember that one?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, I remember that.
SPEAKER 10 :
With the Christmas one, New Orleans. Joe just brought up for the Super Bowl. I mean, my goodness.
SPEAKER 06 :
The New Orleans one. The guy in the Bronx killed 85 people with two bucks worth of gasoline when he set fire to the steps of a second-floor nightclub. So, you know, here’s my chance to people. If you can’t think of two or more ways to kill a dozen people in under a minute without using a gun, you’re not very bright. And I’m not going to tell you all the ways I’ve thought of. I’ve actually, you know, quickly I’ve come up with four or five different ways to kill more than a dozen people without using a gun.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, people usually think of those ways during rush hour.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just saying. How do I kill the guy?
SPEAKER 10 :
The person who just swept into my lane when I didn’t even give them an opening. Yeah, I know. Go ahead. What do you got?
SPEAKER 06 :
Let’s see. You’re familiar with the Heckler’s veto?
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
The Heckler’s veto, you can actually look it up on Wikipedia. It’s a standard thing. This is when, you know, Heckler is in a crowd. So they’ve been having these town hall meetings while Congress was in recess last week. And you’ve seen this. So one of the Republican congressmen or senators will have a town hall meeting, and somebody in the audience will stand up and shout a question based on a ridiculous fault premise. Right. And then as soon as the speaker, the congressman or the senator, starts to respond to the questioner, either trying to give an answer or pointing out that the premise of the question is not correct, They start yelling and screaming, you’re a Nazi, you’re a fascist. And they never let him get his answer in. Right. It’s an old tactic. Right. And there’s actually a name for it. It’s called the heckler’s veto, which, in other words, you prevent the other side from making their point by not allowing them to speak. And that seems to be the favorite tactic of the left right now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve rarely seen a meeting where a conservative… tries to shout down the speaker. Now, has it happened once or twice? Yeah, I’ve seen it rarely. But this seems to be the tactic du jour for the left these days, is ask a ridiculously biased question based on bogus information. And then when the person tries to respond to you, don’t let them answer. That’s called a heckler’s veto. And again, if you watch any of these town hall meetings, you’ll absolutely see it in… in action. And by the way, it seems to be coordinated because some of the biased, loaded questions I ask are the same question in California as it is in Idaho, as it is in Ohio, as it is in Pennsylvania. It’s the same question and the same tactic. So I don’t think it’s just grassroots. I think it’s absolutely organized.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, absolutely. Look, that’s something that the left has done for so many years, Joe. You know, I was raised by the left. All you got to do is ask something that puts the other person in the position of having to defend themselves, right? They’ve got to bring out details, and then you shout them down so they can’t do it effectively.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then you shout them down before they have a chance to respond with an adult, you know, an adult, logical, fact-based reply. One of my favorite… One of my favorite quotes often attributed to Socrates is that when the debate – and they’ll call you names. They’ll call you an idiot. They’ll call you a moron. They’ll call you a Nazi. They’ll call you a fascist. The quote attributed to Socrates is that when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. So when your opponent starts to – by the way, there’s also something called Godwin’s Law of Debate. Godwin’s Law of Debate is that the first person to use a Hitler and Nazi reference in a debate loses.
SPEAKER 10 :
I like that. I like that. Okay, you got 30 seconds.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go. 30 seconds. Real quick. You know how much New York City is losing to fairy vaders on their subway system every year? Pick a number out of thin air. Two billion. No idea. 700 million, which is almost $2 million a day. People ducking under, jumping over the subway turnstiles. Can you imagine if you ran a business and you were losing $2 million a day to fare evaders? That’s the efficiency of government. Yeah. And the lack of enforcement. By the way, now, I bet you if they started throwing people in jail for 30 days, that number would drop pretty quick, don’t you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
I think that would drop pretty quick. So they’re losing the money there, and they’re driving away all the rich taxpayers. Way to go, New York! All right, are we going to do this again tomorrow? We’re going to do it again tomorrow. Thanks a lot, Joe.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. You’re welcome, Manny. Take care. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER 10 :
You bet. Folks, that’s it for today. Hour 1 replays next. Todd Watkins joins me tomorrow. That should be a lot of fun. Until then, drive safe, God bless, and thanks for joining us at Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
