Mike Gallagher tackles the contentious issue of media bias, exploring how coverage varies when it comes to the Trump administration. Through humorous anecdotes and serious reflections, he questions the motives behind media narratives and urges listeners to think critically. He also delves into the recent CNN interview with cartel members following Trump’s policies, sparking debate on journalism practices in today’s world.
He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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So I’m sailing along. Everything’s going great in my world. Had a nice event Friday in Savannah, Georgia. The great Carl Jackson guest hosted. Eric Hansen’s finally back from his months-long vacation touring the world. Everybody’s everything’s right in my world. I’m in New York City for some meetings for a day. Just a quick trip in and out. Be back to Florida tonight. Who’s got a luckier than I do? I love my life. I love my job. I love my my family, my friends, my co-workers. And then I see the White House repost a meme that shows Donald Trump depicted as the pope. And I realize in my heart and in my gut, it’s not really my favorite thing to see. And I know I’m going to get my head taken off. It’s coming. Go ahead. Yell at me. Because I don’t love this. I saw an article, and maybe it’s because of the article written by Victor Davis Hanson, one of the smartest people I’ve ever interviewed, who said Trump’s going to win if he takes the high road. And the theme of the Victor Davis Hanson article is sort of like everything Trump is doing is what we voted for. There’s no surprise on the tariffs. There’s no surprise on Doge. There’s no surprise on anything he’s doing, really. And Victor Davis Hanson’s position is if Trump does all this while staying on the high road, he will be enormously successful. And so I don’t know if I’ve got his column in my head and maybe that’s why this isn’t my… And now look, it’s not the end of the world. It’s not Armageddon. It’s not… Horrific. You’ve seen it by now. There’s Trump in the white papal robes with a giant cross around his neck and that huge hat that popes and cardinals wear. He’s all in white and he’s sticking up his index finger, depicted as the pope. And, of course, the Trump critics have lost their minds. Don’t worry, I’m not losing my mind over it. As a former Catholic, I don’t really have, I’m not going to get into the whole drama of the Catholic Church. There are Catholics who didn’t mind this meme. There are non-Catholics who are livid about it. And look, you know the Trump haters are just using it as an excuse to batter Trump with. That’s all it is. They don’t care. They don’t care about the Catholic Church. They don’t care about the papacy. They don’t care about any of it. They just want to find another reason to jump on Trump. And so, knowing that, I’m reluctant to share with you my heartfelt reaction that I don’t love this. that yeah, it does feel somewhat disrespectful. Yeah, if the Democrats did it, we wouldn’t like it. When Gretchen Whitmer was mocking the Catholic Church and pretending to hand out the Eucharist to somebody in some social justice aspect, I don’t even remember what the issue was, I didn’t like it. I’m old enough to remember Sinead O’Connor ripping up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. And it was disrespectful then, and it was sacrilegious then. Again, I’m not a Catholic, but I know plenty of people who are, who I assume were offended. And I just wonder what the point is sometimes. You know, the argument is we’ve got to own the libs. We’ve got to troll them. We’ve got to get under their skin. We’ve got to offend them. And sometimes, and I’m ready to get my hat handed to me here, you go ahead and give me a call and you can have at it with me, 800-655-MIKE. I don’t mind. I’m not going to even argue with you. Because if you’re disappointed in me, I accept that. Because I don’t want to pile on. My gosh, I just looked through the New York Times from yesterday. The whole opinion section was all the star columnists taking pot shots at Donald Trump. Every one of the columnists. It was like, you have Adam. No, then I want to have Adam. It was hysterical. 60 Minutes last night. Oh, he’s destroying democracy. The world is coming to an end. The country’s on fire. And they’re all freaking out. Because Trump is simply fulfilling his campaign promises. I understand it’s a joke. You’re kidding around. You’re trolling. They also apparently posted a meme of him as a Star Wars character with a lightsaber and a big buff muscular body. Like one of the characters from Star Wars, I guess. Okay, ha ha ha. But you get into the Pope, or you get into a pastor or a rabbi, you get into spiritual leaders, you get into the leader of a church, and a guy, you know, let’s face it, how many days ago did Francis die? And they’re getting ready to begin this conclave. It’s not my favorite thing. I kind of wish… he would stick, the White House would stick to always try to take the high road. You want to know the ultimate victory, the ultimate troll, the ultimate own of the other side? He won. He’s the president. He’s getting to do all these things, whether it’s reopening Alcatraz or slapping China with tariffs. He’s getting to do all of this. That’s the ultimate victory. You know, Trump was asked during the campaign, are you going to be exercising vengeance? He said, victory is going to be my vengeance. Success is going to be my vengeance. Is posting a picture of Trump depicted as the Pope part of that success? I don’t think it’s necessary. And I debated whether even to bring it up because, look, the easy way out would be just to avoid it. The easy way out would just be to forget it, move on. There’s lots of other things going on. We’ve got tons of breaking news, and we’re going to cover it. But I just wanted to express what was on my heart over the weekend when I saw it. I wanted to express my authentic reaction to it. And again, maybe you don’t see it that way or you want to take me to task. I don’t care. It’s all right. But give me your reaction as well. Victor Davis Hanson’s point is a good one. Take the high road while you’re doing all of these effective, monumental, epic things, and your success, Mr. President, will be even better. And it will silence the crazies who act like he’s not fulfilling his campaign promise and delivering exactly what he said he would deliver. Do we need to go out of the way, our side? Do we need to provoke people on the other side when they’ve already got their hair on fire? It doesn’t help him get done what needs to be done. Now, a lot of people already on the MyPillow text line, Susie in Purple, Georgia, lighten up, Francis. Cradle Catholic and practicing Catholic. Coffee on the keyboard funny. Okay? Here’s Pennsylvania. I’m not Catholic, I’m Jewish, and I absolutely hate the Trump Pope. I agree with Victor Davis Hanson. Sometimes I wish Trump would just… STFU. I won’t read that for you. But another one here from Ohio. Relax. The picture was just a joke. I get it. I got a pretty good sense of humor. I just think sometimes… There’s not really a need to go out of your way to provoke when the ultimate provocation is governance and doing what he’s accomplishing. 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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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I come into work today with sort of a bit of a heavy heart. I made the mistake of picking up the New York Times at the Charlotte Airport yesterday. I was flying from Savannah to New York, and I had to go through Charlotte. And boy, oh boy, what a mess that is. I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings who live in or near Charlotte, but your airport is like a bomb went off in there. Seen those videos in India of all the people clamoring to get on a train? That’s what it feels like at the Charlotte airport. Whoa! It’s a mess. Anyway, I had some time to kill, and I grabbed a New York Times, and I’m sitting there with my jaw hanging open, reading column after column of how Trump is destroying. It’s like they rounded up all their columnists, Maureen Dowd and David Brooks and Ross Douthat and all the star columnists and just did a huge Never Trump edition. Here’s why he’s destroying democracy. Here’s why he’s destroying the media. Oh, he’s going to defund PBS. I mean, watching them carry on about PBS and NPR losing a few percentage points of their budget. If they can’t survive because they lose, it’s not even a predominant amount of money for them. And they’re squealing like pigs. They’re shrieking to the heavens, all democracies coming to our… We’ve got to provide NPR to rural West Virginia. My gosh. These aren’t serious people, but they are very serious about opposing the Trump administration. And I suppose we knew we were in for that. But between the New York Times… And 60 Minutes last night, evidently they did a whole hit piece on Trump. Not a surprise. The media is… And I just wonder how much… I always wonder, and I ask you this question regularly. Is it all performative? Do they really think that Trump wants to kill them? And you think I’m kidding when I use that term. Jasmine Crockett, whatever you think of her, has emerged as one of the stars of the Democrat Party. I mean, it’s a little depressing, but it’s true. Here she was on MSNBC. Check this out.
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We need to make sure that the American people are just as enraged as we all should be because this administration is truly trying to kill us, it feels like.
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This administration is truly trying to kill us. Now, if you picked up the New York Times yesterday, you would be shattered. Because it’s that bad. And the cover of the opinion section of the New York Times was in a big red page. It was a big red page by design, I can promise you. This is fire alarm, 10-star fire. And listen to the headline on the Sunday Opinions section of the New York Times. Repress dissent, shatter precedence, dismantle oversight, bully the opposition, crush the institutions, seize executive power. The great Scott Jennings took that page and posted it and said, oh, I’m glad the New York Times finally figured out what the Democrats are up to. Because that sounds like the Democrat playbook, doesn’t it? Listen to that headline again from the New York Times. Repressed dissent? What do you think they did during the 2016 and 2020 elections? You weren’t allowed to say anything that didn’t go along with the group think, whether it was the pandemic or election integrity. The Democrats mastered the repression of dissent. Shatter precedents. Oh, let’s drudge up some expired misdemeanors, turn them into 34 felonies, and get a dopey New York jury to convict him. Yeah, that’s called shattering precedence. Dismantle oversight. The Democrats have railed in favor of that for years and years. Bully the opposition. You think these are nice people on the left? You don’t think they bully people? The people they oppose? What do you think it means to destroy somebody’s car because you don’t like Elon Musk? What do you suppose it is to burn down a building, a fast food joint, because there was a police shooting? What do you think they do? They’re masters at bullying the opposition. I mean, all this, this is the Democrat handbook. And yet the New York Times decides we’re going to apply this towards Donald Trump. Incidentally, speaking of Jasmine Crockett, let’s look at another doozy. Here’s a flashback. For some reason, I don’t know why this came across my feed. Oh, it’s all in her native tongue, right? Ilhan Omar. What? Ilhan Omar, cut 11. Here’s Ilhan Omar. This is a clip. talking about needing a government database to track white men. Now, keep in mind, Ilhan Omar, Jasmine Crockett, these are all stars of today’s Democrat Party. This is the party of opposition. This is the party, the New York Times and CBS and NBC and ABC, this is what the mainstream media supports.
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I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country. And so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country, we should be… profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men.
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Can you imagine a white politician of any party saying we ought to create a database of black men because of the crimes that black men commit in America? We know statistically, and I hate it, and there’s a lot of reasons for it, but statistically, black Americans commit a disproportionate percentage of crime in this country. Think what would happen to a white politician who said we should create a database of black men because they’re a threat to security and safety. That’d be their last day on the job. But when you’re Ilhan Omar, you got cover. The New York Times won’t denounce Ilhan Omar. CBS won’t do a hit piece on Ilhan Omar. Ever. But Donald Trump? Here we are. And how bad is the media today? If I told you that CNN went and interviewed the cartel to ask them how they felt about trump declaring the mexican cartels terrorist organizations would you believe me now the answers are in spanish but the question the questions are in english because i know you’re sitting there thinking gallagher has flipped his litigate mike has lost his mind there’s no way cnn went and interviewed a Mexican cartel member in Mexico to ask them how they felt about Trump declaring them a terrorist organization. Here’s the clip.
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This man is talking to us on the condition we hide his identity and location. Can I pull up a chair? He says he produces fentanyl for the Sinaloa cartel. How safe or dangerous is this area to be in?
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I mean, according to the Trump administration, you are a terrorist.
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The cartels have been labeled a foreign terrorist organization. What do you make of that?
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What’s your message to Donald Trump if he’s watching this?
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This is where we are. That’s today’s CNN. A CNN correspondent wanting to know what your message would be to Trump since he’s declared you a terrorist organization. Hard to avoid or escape the image of the phrase enemy of the people. So my question to you is a simple one. When Americans who maybe aren’t as plugged in as you may be, you and I are pretty connected. We’re watching, we’re following these stories, we’re breaking it all down. But to people who aren’t, who pick up a paper at the Charlotte airport, oh, here’s the New York Times, I think I’ll read the New York Times while I’m waiting for my next flight. And you read this, I mean, I would think normal people who aren’t that connected would be in utter despair, absolute despair, over what the Times believes is the condition of America under Donald Trump. So my question to you is this, do they really believe it, or is it all performative? Is it all fake? Is it all for effect? Do you think when 60 Minutes does a whole segment and a whole show on Trump destroying democracy and ruining this country, we’re a five-alarm fire right now, do they really see it that way? Or are they just a loyal opposition and they think they’ve got to say it? This question haunts me. Because I just don’t know. Maybe you do. 800-655-MIKE. Welcome in. We had a great event Thursday and Friday in Savannah, the Job Creators Network Summit and Gala. I’m so thankful to Alfredo Ortiz and Elaine Parker, and congratulations to a… A great event. Met a lot of members of our audience who went to the event as a result of our announcements. So many thanks to everybody who came up to say hi to me in Savannah. Savannah is a beautiful city. My gosh, I can’t get enough of that place. So thanks to everybody at the Job Creators Network. Thanks, too, to Carl Jackson for guest hosting for me on Friday. Let’s dive in today here on a Monday. 800-655-MIKE. issue of their opinion section to trump destroying the country do they believe it is it real or is it inauthentic 800-655-6453 i hope you join us I saw this headline that CNN actually sat down with the cartels to ask how they feel about trellises and being labeled terrorists. And I know that the enemy of the people phrase is harsh. What other conclusion can you reach when you see something like that? Mike’s in Kentucky. Hello, Mike. Good morning. Hi.
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God bless you. I think… All those people that you’re talking about, and I think a lot of other Americans feel the same way, they’re a propaganda arm of the swamp. They’re paid to do that. They do it endlessly, relentlessly. They don’t care.
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Yeah, the ends justify the means. Whatever it takes to stop him, whatever it takes to get whatever. I mean, these are like the tabloids back in the day, like somebody just texted me. Fake news sells copies. Doom and gloom is much more interesting and profitable. Here’s somebody else, Sarasota, Florida. It’s anything for attention. Trump is controlling the narrative. The Dems think politics is just about popularity. They can’t reveal their own policies, so their only option is to become more like social medias. Attention whores. Can you imagine saying, let’s go interview the cartel and see how they feel about Trump labeling them terrorists? Fred’s in Chicago. Hey, Fred. Hey, how you doing, Mike?
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Good, how are you? Good, good. I watched the whole show. And just to be fair, I mean, the reporter actually went with the Mexican army and showing how effective they were at burning that stuff down. And, of course, they’re going to go over to the cartels and say, hey, what’s going on? And the cartel dude actually said he got respect for Trump. I mean, Trump was doing a really good job cutting down on their profits and was like, hey, we’ve got to be really careful, but he’s doing a real good job. He’s actually giving respect. I understand.
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He’s like, why would you point out the cartel? You’re not really defending. You’re not really defending. Are you actually defending CNN sitting down with our cartels and asking a cartel drug lord what he thinks about Trump’s policies?
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We did in Vietnam, too. We did both sides. But the point is, Both sides. I’ll say this. Everyone watch the whole program.
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No thanks.
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Mike, please.
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I think I’d rather watch paint dry. You want me to watch the whole interview with the CNN reporter asking the cartel, why didn’t she ask him, were your feelings hurt when Trump labeled you a terrorist? Fred, come on. Dude, spin it all you want.
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Watch the show. Both sides.
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No thanks. You watch it. You watch it. You watch CNN. You ever watch Fox News? Of course I do. Oh, okay. All right.
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Do you like CNN? The whole story, man.
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Do you like CNN? Are you a big fan of CNN, Fred?
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Are you kidding me? I’m just talking about the program, man. You cut it off in half, man.
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I didn’t cut it off anything in half. I played a clip of a reporter from CNN asking the cartel, how do you feel about Trump’s policies?
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Exactly. The clip. The whole program.
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Yeah, that’s it. That’s it, Fred. You go defend it. I’d rather not. I’d rather not.
SPEAKER 08 :
You clip it. You clip it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Uh-huh. Yeah, that’s right. It’s out of context, right, Fred? I get it. It’s out of context, right, Fred?
SPEAKER 08 :
Mike, I get it.
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But I think what the president is doing, it is a fundamental attack on our Constitution, on the foundation of this country. People need to understand and remember there is only one profession that is protected in the Constitution, and it is the free press. It is the press. And why? Because the founders understood that the survival of a democracy depends on an informed citizenry. And the citizenry can only be informed by a press that can report and do report on the affairs of the republic free and unfettered.
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Now, he would never defend the taxpayer funding of, oh, I don’t know, townhall.com, Hot Air, the Mike Gallagher show, Fox News. He thinks these hysterics, and that’s what they are, they’re just hysterics, trying to ignite a sense of fury in the American people. And they believe that the only point of view that Americans are entitled to receive and be subsidized to some degree by the taxpayer is a leftist point of view. It’s comical. It’s actually worthy of satire. Here’s David Brooks. Now check out David Brooks, the New York Times Trump hater. Check out what he said. Here’s a flashback of David Brooks advocating… for people to take to the streets and protest Donald Trump. Cut 8.
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There are a lot of people who are appalled by what the administration is doing. And there will be times for civil disobedience. And to me, let’s say she did escort this guy out the door. If federal enforcement agencies come to your courtroom and you help a guy escape… That is two things. One, it strikes me as maybe something illegal, but it also strikes me as something heroic. And so you can both think that she shouldn’t have legally done this and that morally protecting somebody against or maybe not even in this case, but in other cases, frankly, a predatory enforcement agency.
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That’s what that’s a guy who says I’m neutral. That’s a guy who says I’m not biased. That’s a guy who, here’s cut seven. Here he is, you just heard that, right? You heard what he said, we should take to the streets and protest the President of the United States. Now, if we said that about Obama, if we said that about anybody else, they would lose their minds. But he says they’re not biased. He said, oh, they’re not biased at all. They’re just fine. This is the hypocrisy of the left and the hypocrisy of people that are that upset about the defunding of NPR or PBS. Look, there’s no defunding when it comes to fruits and vegetables in your system, the balance of nature way. I had a chance to hang out today with Dr. Douglas Howard. He’s got a new product, Dr. Fido’s. He’s partnering with another company. They’re going to bring this dog powder. But look, you need fruits and vegetables in your own system. called Balance of Nature. Balance of Nature’s advanced vacuum cold process involves freeze-drying the fruits and veggies into a fine powder, retaining up to 93% of their nutritional value compared to others’ methods, who are lucky to salvage as little as 30%. Balance of Nature packs a nutritional punch. Take it every day. And Dr. Howard was advising me, look, Mike, you love the way the three little red, three little green capsules, what they’re doing to your body? Take more when you’re feeling a little under the weather. Call Balance of Nature today at 800-246-8751. Use the discount code MikeG. 35% off plus free shipping and their money back guarantee. 800-246-8751 or go to balanceofnature.com. Mike Gallagher.
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