Join John Rush in this thought-provoking episode as he explores the multifaceted discussion surrounding lab-grown meat. Coming from a familial understanding of agriculture’s past, Rush examines the modern push and pull between technological innovation and the preservation of traditional farming. With contributions from various stakeholders, including those from financial advising sectors and the meat industry, this episode promises a balanced view on consumer choice, regulatory concerns, and the essence of food sovereignty in America.
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Always have a great hour with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House, which we did, which I always appreciate them greatly. Question of the day. Yesterday’s question was, name the only planet that was named after a Greek god. The answer is Uranus. And the impossible question of today is, what was the first branded car company in the United States? And believe it or not, I wouldn’t have gotten this one correct. I would have no idea. So what was the first branded car company in the U.S.? And reason being is because at one time, early on, when cars were first getting to come up into production and so on, and more and more people starting to to own them when they first started coming out there was a gazillion car companies there wasn’t just you know the big three or the big five or even the big 15. i want to say there were hundreds early on i’d have to go back and look but there were a lot so to remember all of them would i just i sorry i don’t don’t have that in this particular answer i would not have now last hour we talked to dr kelly and steve housing we got to talking about meat and steaks and different things along those lines and Lo and behold, I had a topic to talk about today in this first hour, which my son and I were talking about earlier today. And I’m going to play this first. But this is John Stahls. And I typically agree with John on most things. I think he’s pretty level-headed for the most part. There’s a few things he can get off on that I don’t know that I completely agree. agree with him on. And this happens to be one of those. And I’ll play this and explain afterwards why I disagree with John Stossel on this. So let me get my sound up, Charlie, really quick to hang on. I got to make sure that my settings on my sound are correct, guys, so that it doesn’t sound odd. Let me make sure that I’m all dialed in. I am. Okay, so here we go, Charlie. I’m going to hit play.
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Lab-grown meat has arrived in this country. Would you ever eat lab-grown meat? Lab-grown meat?
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What’s that? I thought this was meat, or this, or this. But no, I’m wrong to assume that. Meat is now being grown in labs. To make it, they use a syringe to pull tissue out of an animal.
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The tissue is cut into minuscule pieces to separate the muscle fibers and cells. the cells start dividing. When all these little pieces of muscle are layered together, we get exactly the same thing we started with, beef.
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But is it safe? Well, U.S. regulators have approved it. Two cultivated meat producers now getting the green light to begin commercially selling their chicken. Take your fake lab-grown meat elsewhere.
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We’re not doing that in the state of Florida. Florida and Alabama quickly outlawed lab-grown meat. And we appreciate that ban. Bill Ballard lobbies for cattlemen. It’s a recognition of the importance of preserving the family farm structure of agriculture in the United States. And if it weren’t for Alabama and Florida doing it, then the meat packers would have the ability to pass it off to unsuspecting consumers as if it were indeed a meat product, which it is not. They don’t conceal it. They say this is cultivated meat. It is, but they haven’t told the public exactly what’s in it. They pull it out of the animal and grow it in the lab.
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It’s still the same source. But not produced in the same manner.
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How do you grow meat in the lab?
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Some activists oppose it too, making videos like this.
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You use something called immortalized cells, meaning they grow like a tumor. Wanna taste it? I think I’ll pass.
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Now lobbyists are persuading politicians in other states to ban lab-grown meat.
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Lab-grown meat has no place in Nebraska. That’s according to Governor Pillen.
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But wait, why do politicians get to decide for everyone? I got a producer of lab-grown chicken to let me try some. Their employees sauteed it, and I tried it.
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This is what Florida banned, and we view it as 99% chicken.
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Melissa Musiker works for Upside Foods, one of two companies producing lab-grown chicken. Upside sued Florida over its ban. One of these is chicken, and another is lab-grown chicken. I offered people a taste of what Florida’s agriculture commissioner calls Frankenmeat versus chicken we bought at Whole Foods.
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They’re both really good. I think that one’s lab-grown. Bingo.
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People correctly guessed which was which. That’s the real one, and that’s the lab-grown.
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This one is juicier. I assume this is the lab-grown one?
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It was. People liked the lab-grown chicken. That’s much juicier. This is moist and tasty. Although everyone in our test could tell the difference, in this taste test of a different lab-grown chicken, this food critic couldn’t.
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I was so sure that this is the real chicken.
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All this raises the question, why not let us consumers decide? Why are you…
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bribing politicians to ban it. The government has a legitimate role in ensuring that we have an abundant and affordable and safe food supply. You can’t say that about this lab-grown meat. Lab-grown beef would make the food supply more secure because you’d have another choice. You should not be able to make that decision when you know that the decision will have the effect of threatening the viability of our food production. You could have said this about horse-drawn carriages years ago. Ban cars. There are sacrifices to be made with progress, but one sacrifice we cannot make is the ability to maintain a viable food production system. I don’t buy his logic.
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Allowing an extra option would make our food supply more resistant to disruption.
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We can make millions, the equivalent of millions of chickens, and we only produce the edible product of the chickens. There’s no beaks, there’s no feet, there’s no feathers.
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And no animals are killed.
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Chicken meat production is sadly a story of suffering.
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That’s one reason a lot of people eschew eating animal protein and they say, I don’t want to eat that anymore because it makes me feel uncomfortable. This can be a really attractive product for people like them because this is a way for them to say, like literally vote with their plate.
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Would you buy laboratory grown food? Yeah, I liked it. We should have the freedom to vote with our dollars, decide for ourselves if lab grown meat or lab grown anything is something we want. Maybe we won’t like it. Then we won’t buy it. But it’s wrong when politicians forbid us to try something.
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All right, so while I agree with him that politicians shouldn’t disallow us from doing certain things, I do think that it is the proper role of government, especially when it comes to our food supply and the food chain we have in this country. And this is a lot of what’s being talked about right now in regards to the Maha movement, getting rid of some of the food dyes and other things that are actually in our food today that even other countries don’t allow. I do think it’s the proper role of government. because we no longer all live on the farm. At one point in time, government really didn’t need to be involved in a whole lot of things food production wise because the reality is everybody grew their own. You grew up on a farm. You grew your own whatever. And whatever you didn’t grow, you typically had some sort of a co-op or a bartering system whereby if you didn’t have X and you needed Y, you traded X for Y. And that’s how the system worked for Charlie literally thousands of years. Correct? Am I right? That’s what the markets were. that would start in any particular area, town, county, whatever, a lot of that was where people could go and trade their goods for other goods that they didn’t have. So maybe you were somebody that raised a lot of cattle, but you wanted bacon, and you didn’t raise pork. Now, most farmers probably had a variety of animals, but you get my drift as to where I’m going with that. Maybe there was something you needed. that you didn’t have or maybe you were really good at being handy you weren’t much of a farmer but you could help all of the farmers in regards to the building of certain things and so on and you would come to market with your things anyways you guys get the drift there was a lot of bartering and things that would happen back in the day and and everybody handled their own food in that way because we didn’t have the population that we have now and you didn’t have to mass produce food the way we do today to feed quote-unquote the masses so i’ve got more to talk about on that i gotta take a break though we’ll come back and do that really quick though something else i learned today which i did not know and charlie charlie i don’t think you know this this would have been a good question of the day but i’m going to tell everybody anyways do you realize that one chicken produces enough eggs in a year’s time to satisfy each one or to satisfy one individual’s needs. So it’s the way they do the math on how many chickens we need across the country is if everybody is eating eggs, you would need one chicken per person to meet the demand of that person throughout the year. Did you know that, Charlie, that it’s just one chicken? In other words, that chicken lays enough eggs. The average person eats like 250-some eggs a year roughly, and that chicken will produce roughly that amount. So it’s one chicken per person producing enough laying eggs. to satisfy that one person’s needs. So if you’ve got, you know, 300 million people that are eating eggs because we don’t, you know, toddlers, you know, kids don’t eat eggs, but you get where I’m going with that. At the end of the day, that’s the math. So just a side note. Up next, we’ve got Golden Eagle Financial, and Al’s done a great interview of late where you can learn more about what he actually does. If you want to give a call to Al directly, please do so. You can find him at klzradio.com.
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Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? I’m doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you. As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes?
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No, I don’t prepare my clients’ taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it’s working.
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Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
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All right, and before I go to Joe, the other thing, too, that I was going to add to the whole lab-grown meat and all of that, and my bigger concern outside of what John Stossel has is while I do believe people should have the choice to choose with their pocketbook what they do, my concern with lab-grown meat is who’s going to be the one outside of government to determine what all they’re putting in that? We already have concerns today of what goes into some of our food supply as is, i.e., what’s being injected into a cow, a pig, a lamb, a chicken, and on down the line we go. And we’ve got good regulations on a lot of that. On the lab-grown side, who’s going to be the ones testing to see exactly what’s going in and or what potentially, because I don’t trust government, sorry I don’t, what potentially could government slip in to lab-grown meat that would then have an effect upon us as citizens? That’s my bigger concern with the lab-grown meat outside of what John Stossel is talking about in regards to choice. Joe, go ahead.
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John, just some context. When you say back in the day there was bartering issues, Well, I don’t know if a lot of people might think back in the day was 1920, 1910. When I used to work at my grandparents’ cattle ranch in the summers in the late 60s and early 70s, there was a thriving barter business. Now, we raised black Angus beef, USDA prime. Now, we also had two dairy cattle because we milked our own cows. We had our own milk. We made our own buttercream. But up and down our road, we had a poultry farm. where we would get eggs and chicken from. We had a pig farmer. By the way, we also grew our own corn, our own potatoes, you know, our own carrots. Right. So we were, on our road, we were literally self-sufficient. And Barter, so if we needed, you know, two dozen eggs, you know, my grandmother would say, you know, and by the way, and we would, whether it be steaks or hamburger, and we would freeze a lot of our hamburger, she would say, you know, grab five pounds of hamburger meat and go up the road to Jack’s Place and get us two dozen eggs, and I’d drop off five pounds of hamburger and come back with two dozen eggs. We would trade, even, Stephen, we would trade pork for beef with the pig farmer. So it was not ancient history, and I believe, John, to this day, it’s still in some very rural places in this country. You get out over Iowa and Nebraska. You are 20 miles from the nearest grocery store. And I have to believe, I don’t know for a fact, but I have to believe that sort of bartering is still going on.
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You know, it probably is, although I will tell you, Joe, that I think even in, because I know a lot of farmers in that today, they are not doing even what you are doing, mainly because there’s not a lot of small farmers left. As you know, if you’re going to stay in farming and actually do it for a living, you’re not doing it on a small scale any longer. You can’t afford to.
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Yeah, you’re correct. It used to be, like our next-door neighbor, he had a herd of dairy cows, and he had maybe 100 head of dairy cow. You know, today you’re doing, you know, you need at least 500 heads to justify the automated milking machines, you know, where they come in, the cows don’t even get touched there. Literally, a cow will get milked without being touched by a human being. But the equipment to do that is outrageously expensive. So you can’t do it. You can’t afford to put that sort of a technology in for 100 head of cows.
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Got it. Yep, you’re exactly right. And Joe’s going to join us again at 5 o’clock. So, Joe, we’ll talk more then.
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All right. Talk to you then, Joe.
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And don’t get me wrong. I think there are still parts of the country. You go to where some of Pennsylvania, where the Amish are and so on. There’s still a lot of bartering and things like that that happen in some of those areas. But my point with the whole keeping the food supply solid is, is that a proper role of government? Yes, I believe it is, because when you if. You take that away. I’m having a conversation with somebody right now texting about our meat supply and our feed and what gets fed to cows and so on, and I can just tell you straight up that one of the misnomers, one of the things that’s out there that even at times I want to try to correct some of my guests on, but I don’t because I don’t want to get into a big argument because what people think and what’s really reality can be two different things. I can tell you from knowing farmers and how things work when it comes to the feed that we actually feed our cows with. When they go to the feedlot and you finish them off with grain after they’ve been out in grazing and so on, I will tell you that it’s a lot more regulated than most people understand or think. And a lot of what even is considered to be chemicals on food isn’t quite the same way as what most people think it is and i will get a farmer on at some point i’ve been working on that and i will actually get somebody in that can actually talk about that more specifically because it’s not quite what everybody’s been told or what even the news media and some quote-unquote dietitians will tell you and i’ll just tell you that straight up it’s not quite what everybody else what everybody out there believes and Because there’s been so much misinformation along those lines that’s been given over the years. But back to the lab-grown meat. And maybe it tastes the same. Maybe it even has the same texture and all of that. Again, my biggest concern with anything that’s lab-grown, a couple of things. Number one, and I agree with the guy from the Cattlemen’s Association. A, if you do something along those lines, what are you really doing to protect animals? our beef growers that are in the United States of America. We’ve already screwed that up with the lack of tariffs. Hopefully we’re getting some of that back because the reality is we grow a lot less beef today than what we used to because of the imports we’re allowing into our country along those lines. So, yes, I do believe we need to keep track of and protect our own ranchers and farmers as much as we possibly can. I’m very big on that. Yes, that is one of, in my opinion, one of the proper roles of government when it comes to what we do inside of the walls of our country. Number two, on the lab-grown sides of things, again, like I said earlier, I don’t trust government. I just don’t. I don’t trust them to get in bed with a whack-a-doodle billionaire that wants to go ahead and change the outcome of a particular population, if you would. and be able to feed things into that lab-grown meat that you then would consume, and who knows what that would actually do to you at the end of the day. I’m not a fan of that. I’m sorry. I’m just not a fan of the lab-grown, specially meat on that end of things. And lastly, not that I’m a greenie by any stretch of the imagination, But I will tell you right now that those labs and what they’re doing there will most likely, pound for pound, have the equivalency, if not more, as far as its carbon, quote unquote, carbon footprint will most likely be larger than what it would be if you actually were feeding those animals. And I don’t think I’m exaggerating, you know. You can go look at lab-grown diamonds, for example, and look at what they actually take to create, and they are far worse on the environment than actually mining the actual diamonds themselves when it’s all said and done. That’s something else most people don’t realize, but those are some of the things that nobody’s talking about when it comes to the lab-grown whatever. Go ahead, John.
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Hey, so on the lab-grown meat, you know, is there enough research to know how it would affect people long-term? You know… that’s a big thing because there’s a lot of stuff out there that’s just coming out on the market. And, you know, Dr. Kelly and you and Steve have been talking about it for five years. How much research went into the COVID vaccine before they pumped it into everybody?
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Good point. Good point.
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You don’t know what this would have grown me. Now, for me, I’d probably try it unless they named it Soylent Green because then I’d have a problem. Yeah. Because you remember what soil and green was.
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I do. I do.
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And you don’t, you know, at first they’re saying it’s made from beef, but what if it’s other things? You don’t know, you know.
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Correct.
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That’s always my thing. And it’s the same thing. You hear all these people that are just for the same thing. There’s not enough statistics yet that are taking these semi-glutide shots yet. It hasn’t been around long enough to really have a study to say it’s not going to kill you. It’s not going to give you other issues.
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And by the way, that one is probably a little, in my opinion, I’m a little less worried about that because if you talk to Dr. Scott, that’s more of an insulin regulator, which I’ll just tell you straight up, John, if you could get people in this country off of sugar. Their insulin, what they’re doing as far as that goes, would change immensely. The problem is all of us, every one of us as Americans, eats far too much sugar, and that’s where that particular product then comes into play. I can tell you right now, you wouldn’t need those if we got off sugar.
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Right, but that’s the biggest thing. That’s what, going back to Dr. Kelly, and she was saying, that’s what Dr. Secretary Kennedy wants to do, is get people off of it.
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I lost you, John. Say that again. I don’t know, John. I lost you. Come on back. Dr. Kelly and I lost you at that part. What were you saying?
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I’m sorry. Secretary Kennedy is trying to do now with getting people to get off the processed food and the sugar and everything. And I know like myself, I’m carb sensitive, but probably more sugar sensitive and processed carbs. If I’m
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Okay, I lost you at the 15 pounds part. If you were 15 pounds, sorry, we lost you. You’re good now, but go ahead and say it again.
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Oh, you and I both. I’m like you. I’m the same way. I love bread more than sugar, but it turns to sugar, as you know. Yeah. Well, what’s been lucky is during COVID, my wife, when she was home, got addicted to homemade and found organic flowers that’s enriched. So it doesn’t on it. And I’m hoping that’s better for me than, you know, what you buy in the grocery store.
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Gotcha. Gotcha.
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You know, little things like that. Uh, but it’s, Lab-grown meat? I mean, what’s next that they’re going to make in the lab?
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Well, yeah, that’s a bigger question as well.
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You know, we make beef, we make chicken, we make pork. Oh, we’re going to make lab-grown vegetables now. Well, how are you going to do that? I mean, are they going to… Next thing you know, is it going to be cloning again? We need workers, so we’re going to have clones? I don’t know. It’s scary where the science is going. I’m not… You know, I’m not a Luddite, I’m not anti-science, but we need a little more research before we start giving these things to people. That’s my opinion.
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I agree. I cannot disagree with that at all, John. You are 100% correct. John, have a good day. You too, man. Appreciate you very much, John. And you know what? And I will get my farmer friend on at some point. We’ve been talking about that now for quite some time. Just have to figure out the logistics of all of that because there are so many wives tales. I’ll just say it that way. So many things that get passed down that even a lot of nutritionists are really hung up on. And they feel like, you know, well, this is polluted and that’s polluted and this isn’t good and that’s not good. And the reality is it’s not near what some of these folks think. Yes, there is some of that that goes on, no doubt. But I’ll get my farmer friend to come on and even talk about certain things along those lines, including, you know, GMO corn and things along those lines that a lot of people will give credit. especially the corn industry, a bad rap on. But the reality is we wouldn’t feed the world like we feed them without it. Our yield on a stock of corn today versus what it used to be is second to none. There is no way we would do what we’re doing today in that regard without doing something that end of things. And that’s a whole conversation of itself. And I’ll have my farmer friend come on. It’s been very enlightening in talking to him because he gives me a lot of information, frankly, that you don’t get anywhere else. And why it’s not more talked about and done from that side of the aisle, I don’t know. The only reason I can… think of is that farmers are so busy doing what they’re doing, trying to produce the things that they do and make a living at the end of the day, that frankly, they just don’t have time to run around and talk about these things. But they need to because there’s a lot of misconceptions out there along those lines. So Mile High Coin coming up next. And again, as I’ve said many, many times, if you’ve got any kind of a collection kicking around, you’re wondering what’s the value of, how do you turn that into cash? Mile High Coin can help you with all of that. 720-370-3400.
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All right, we are back, and thank you for all the text messages. I must have hit a hot spot there talking about meat, and I know we’ve got lots and lots of farmers that listen to us because of the reach of our signal, and a lot of you are chiming in, which thank you, and all of you are chiming in with what I’m talking about being spot on, and you appreciate what I’m saying, and yes, there’s a lot of misinformation out there when it comes to how certain things are even done. from the raising of cattle and on down the line to the feed that they eat and, and, and, and, and, you know, how farmers produce things, wheat, and on and on we go. So thank you. And by the way, thank all of you farmers for what you do. I do mean that sincerely. There’s a lot of you out there that are doing things probably as we speak. I’ve had people that have called my shows before that are literally in the tractor, the combine, the whatever it is, and they call in with whatever it is they want to talk about while they’re actually farming at the same time. And I appreciate all of you that are doing that. I realize how much of a struggle it is in today’s world to be a farmer and actually make a profit at the end of the day. So thank you for what you do. A lot of you guys are committed to doing it. Regardless of the money, you do it because you love doing it. And I appreciate that greatly. And any of you out there eating, which we all do, should be saying the same thing to all the farmers that are out there. One of you sent in a picture a moment ago of you must be in the grocery store. because they sent a picture in a moment ago of somebody with their cart full of nothing but processed foods, everything in a box, saying, to your point, do people even know what they’re eating? And no, in most cases, they do. By the way, these are the same people that will tell you that that steak you’re eating should be grass-fed, should be this, should be that, and yet their entire cart is full of nothing but boxed foods. No, I’ve seen it. I’ve watched some of these people be at the meat counter, you know, deciding which one they want to buy, and they look at the rest of their cart thinking, you know what, guy? It don’t matter. Buy whatever you want, because I can tell from looking at your cart, it doesn’t make a hill of beans bit of difference what you put in there on the meat side. Literally, I think to myself, I don’t say that out loud, but I’d like to at times. Literally, I’d like to walk up to somebody and say, you know, I know you’re trying to decide between that organic piece of whatever and the regular piece of whatever, but I can tell by the look of your cart, it don’t matter. Literally, at the end of the day, it’s like the person that has a big meal but has a Diet Coke, thinking they’re going to save all of those calories by having the Diet Coke. You’re not. Don’t. You’re better off having the real Coke, as we’ve talked to many nutritionists, including Dr. Julie, Dr. Kelly, and others, where they will literally say, you know what, if you’re going to go that route, just have the Coke. You’re better off than all the chemicals that are in the Diet Coke. So at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter in some cases. And I will tell you too, straight up, we get a lot of people on that we interview, whether it be on Thursdays or Wednesdays or whatever, when it comes to the whole eating healthy and eating fresh and so on. And I will tell you, it’s hard. I will tell you firsthand, it’s hard. Because the convenience factor is there, and a lot of us need the convenience. So we take advantage of that convenience, i.e., buying things from a box or something along those lines. Does that make sense? And, again, as much as we all want to eat better, I will tell you that it’s hard to do, very hard to do. So not saying you shouldn’t, but here’s what I say to most people. Actually, all people. Do what works for you. If you can make some lifestyle changes that work for you and you end up being healthier by doing so, absolutely do that. On the same token, do it in a way that works for you. And I do think you need to be more purposeful about some of these things. And that’s the biggest thing. Most people, aren’t they, just grab whatever’s convenient or whatever they’re used to or whatever they like or whatever their taste buds like, and off they go. Yes, you do need to make some sacrifice and some changes along those lines if you want to be healthier at the end of the day. You hear Dr. Kelly talk about that all the time. But I also will say that… In my world, if there’s a bag of carrots and one says organic and one doesn’t, does that bother me? No. I’m liable to buy the one that says non-organic. That’s just me. Because at the end of the day, I don’t think it makes any difference. Now, I know that goes against all of the quote-unquote nutritionists that are out there running around that we even have on air from time to time. But at the end of the day, I just don’t see the value. I’m sorry. avocados. One’s organic, one’s not. Am I going to buy the one that’s not, or the one that is organic because it’s twice the money as the one that’s not? No, I’ll buy the regular avocado. And at the end of the day, not lose an ounce of sleep over that. Doesn’t bother me in the least. A side note on avocados… I learned a trick the other day to cutting those up out of a video I watched that I’ll give to all of you, and maybe some of you already do this. I didn’t. I’ve never done this. I’ve done all sorts of things when it comes to cutting an avocado, and Charlie, you probably have. Do you like avocados, Charlie, by the way? Yes. Okay, so you’ll enjoy my little trick here. So first things first, once the avocado is ripe, you cut around the outside all the way down to the pit, and then you just sort of take the whole avocado and twist it a little bit, and they come apart, and you have just the pit left. Now, a lot of people will scoop the pit out, scoop the seed out, but really the way to do that is you take a pretty decent strong knife that you’ve used to cut the avocado with, and you just lay the flat blade and you stick that seed as hard as you can and twist, and the seed comes right out. So that’s the first thing you do to get the seed out. At that point, you’ve got the seed out, there’s no mess, there’s no fuss. And what most people do is they take a spoon or they’ll take a knife and they try to cut through and around and take all of that avocado out, you know, the meat, if you would, out of the shell. And people do that all sorts of funny ways. And I’ve been one of those in the past that’s done exactly the same. So now here’s what you do. Take the halves and cut them in half so you have quarters now. Okay, so take with the shell on, you know, with the skin on, cut them into quarters. So take each half that the pit’s gone now or the seed’s gone. So you cut them in half. You’ve got the quarters now. Then what you do, and if it’s just the right ripeness, which is what you want when you’re going to eat an avocado anyways, is all you do is go to one corner, grab the peel, and peel it off. And now you have a really nice quartered avocado with no fuss, no mess. It’s all there. You’re not losing any of it onto the skin. And do that four times. 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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, something else I was going to talk about today that just, again, governmentally speaking, makes no sense. This one I just literally had to shake my head. This was an article that I actually saw a social media post, and I went and looked this article up that’s in a few different places in town. This particular article is coming out of Westward, but I think there was one in the Denver Post as well. But the city of Denver, their council, has rejected a Suncor contract for asphalt to do road repair, pothole repair, all that kind of stuff inside the city of Denver, citing past air pollution. So they canceled a $25 million contract because they claim that Suncor’s pollution is just basically too much, and they’re not going to contribute, quote-unquote, to said pollution. So they’re not going to buy over the next five years the $25 million contract, $5 million a year. They’re not going to buy that from Suncor any longer. And that’s for liquid asphalt products and, of course, asphalt to do street maintenance projects and so on. Now, I also did some research and read some commentary on this that basically says that isn’t going to change the output of the pollution of that plant one iota. Not going to make one ounce of difference when it’s all said and done. But what will make a difference is it’s going to cost them an extra $60,000 a year. So it’s a tune of about $300,000 over that five years. And they’re now going to truck in their product from northern Colorado, which means you’ve now got all of that pollution from those trucks. Keep in mind, the same pollution happens from producing that product up north versus at Suncor. But on top of that, you’re now going to truck it all the way down from northern Colorado. I don’t know exactly where the plant’s at. I didn’t look that up. Don’t care. Because Suncor, by the way, is like right next to Denver. You guys all know where the refinery is right off of 270 and Vasquez. I mean, you can’t miss it. If you drive by at night, the flame’s coming out. You cannot miss it. Even during the day, it’s there. But at night, you really can see it from pretty much anywhere in town. Most everybody knows where our refinery’s at. That one’s a given. So you know where the trucking for that product is going to come from to the city of Denver, city and county of Denver, or in this case, the city of Denver, because it’s city council. So you know how far it’s getting trucked. Not far is my point, right, Charlie? What, maybe five miles or so? I mean, it’s literally right on the edge. You go to the north of the plant, and you’re Denver, correct, Charlie? I mean, that’s almost where the line is. It’s not that far off. So you’re not trucking it very far. So now we’re going to bring it in from northern Colorado all the way down, most likely either 76 or 85 or a combination of or I-25 or wherever. So you now also have, keep in mind, the wear and tear of those trucks that also have to have maintenance and there’s a carbon footprint involving all of that. The traffic that is, yes, added to with those particular trucks coming down. Tires contribute a lot, by the way, to pollution and what even goes into our storm drain. So all of that tire wear on those trucks coming down. And by the way, 18 wheelers that are heavy have a lot more wear and tear on tires even than what your average car does. So all of those things combined. Yet the almighty Denver City Council, all knowing when it comes to the environment, says, yeah, we’re just not going to buy from Suncor. What a bunch of dummies. That shows you right there. I say it a lot on this program, and I continue to solidify my own thoughts on how stupid politicians are. I don’t know any other word to use for it. It’s absolute, utter stupidity in what Denver City Council just did in regards to this contract. Not that I’m, you know, I’m not in bed with Suncor. I don’t know anybody at Suncor. Don’t know a single person that works at Suncor. It’s a Canadian company, by the way. Don’t care about any of that. Their logic, though, in why we’re now going to buy product from northern Colorado instead of our neighbor, you know, somebody that’s right next door to us, because we don’t like their pollution, quote, unquote, it’s a refinery, knuckleheads. How dumb are you? How dumb are you? Now, city of Denver would just soon see the refinery shut down, and they don’t care if you pay $4 a gallon for gasoline in doing so. They don’t care. They don’t care. Now, I also know, before somebody texts me, I know all of our refined product doesn’t come from Suncor. I understand that. But I also know that when you have a refinery in your area, your gas prices will be lower than if you don’t. Common sense tells you that. Along with other products… that we have to use as a metropolitan area, i.e. asphalt and diesel and on and on we go. So there’s more product that comes out of a barrel of oil, as you guys all know, than just gasoline. For example, in this case, asphalt products. So yeah, our city council in Denver, the knuckleheads that they are, and they’re all knowing, by the way, because they’re on the left, they know everything. And it was a unanimous decision, by the way, to go ahead and truck all of this product in from northern Colorado versus using the product coming right out of Suncor. And again, it’s going to cost city of Denver taxpayers an additional $300,000 over five years. And then on top of that, cost everybody else up and down the corridor where that product’s actually coming from. You know, even a higher risk of accidents and on and on and on we go. Literally, that is the not-in-my-backyard mentality from the City of Denver Council people that have absolute zero clue what goes on in life. I would love for one of you to either email, text, or call in if you’re on City Council and explain to me your rationale. Because I don’t see that there is any. You literally showed how ignorant you really are. I have no other way to say it. You can tell that I’m really mad over this, even though I shouldn’t be. I’m not a Denver resident. I’m not paying taxes in Denver. But the lunacy of some of our, you know, quote unquote, I put air quotes around leaders because they’re not. But the lunacy of some, it just drives me crazy. What a bunch of absolute morons. There is no rationale to what they did at all. Because, again, keep in mind, going back to the beginning of my conversation, Suncor not producing these products for the city of Denver isn’t going to change what that plant does in regards to pollution, carbon footprint, whatever. It isn’t going to change it one minuscule amount, period. Not at all. They’ve done nothing but actually add to the carbon footprint of the front range, the pollution, and so on when it’s all said and done. But they’re all high and mighty. They know better than the rest of us. Keep in mind, they know more than you do. You’re just a peon. You’re just a taxpayer, taxpaying peon. You have no idea how life really is. They are the almighty. They are the king. They know better than you. And so in this particular case, they’re going to truck their product down from northern Colorado. Now, whoever got that contract up there is probably loving this. They’re thinking, yeah, this is great. These guys are total knuckleheads because they could buy it right in their backyard. But hey, yeah, guess what? We’ll bring it down for you. We don’t care. We don’t care. We’ll sell it to you all day long. We’d love to have that contract. So that’s what’s happening. And they’re all knowing this in Denver City Council. That’s what they’ve done. I just thought you guys would enjoy that story. Some of you that are on the left, by the way, really, I mean, honestly, if you’re on the left and you’re for something like this, you’re as dumb as they are. Because there is no rationale, again, whatsoever for what they just did in this regard. So I’ll leave it at that. Up next, speaking of asphalt and all of that, there’s shingles and stuff that are made from asphalt as well. We need oil, bottom line. That’s what’s keeping a roof over your head. And Roof Savers of Colorado is there to either replace your roof, fix your roof, extend the life of your roof, your commercial roof they can handle as well. 303-710-6916.
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All right, one thing I didn’t get a chance to get to. Charlie’s going to probably be surprised that I’m even going to talk about this. But the Denver Strip Club, I think it’s called the Diamond Cabaret. is likely to have its license revoked. And I did want to talk about this, not in defense of the club, but in defense of how they’ve structured their workers and the fact that there’s now a big fight with the city of Denver over that. And I think this is an overreach of government, frankly. To a huge degree. And I know there’s a lot of Christians and people out there that probably say, John, you’re crazy. If anything you do to shut those guys down, we need to shut them down. Not at the expense of affecting other businesses in this way. No, I don’t agree with that. I may talk a little bit more about that in the next hour. Hang tight. If not, I’ll come back to that next week. But we’ll be right back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Rich guy.
