In light of the shocking murder charges in D.C. and ongoing debates on hazing in colleges, today’s episode raises questions about safety and justice. Get insights from Elizabeth Allen of StopHazing.org, who discusses the metrics of campus hazing and the urgent need for preventative measures. Plus, a look at the Angel Tree Camp Drive and how listeners can make a lasting impact on children’s lives this Memorial Day Weekend.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Sitting in for Mike today, here’s Joey Hudson.
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Welcome in on this Friday edition of the Mike Gallagher Show as we head into Memorial Weekend. Joey Hudson in for Mike today. It’s a pleasure to be with you. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453 is how you join the conversation. You can text me on the MyFellow text line. You can call. Teresa will put you in queue. We’ll talk as time permits. Email me directly, joey at joeyhudson.com. We have a lot of breaking news today. Busy, busy Friday. The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld President Trump’s option to remove Biden-appointed officials within the federal government. This is a case of the National Labor Relations Board Chairman Gwen Wilcox being removed from her duties and the Merit Systems Protection Board member Kathy Harris, two Democrat appointees of the Biden administration. President Trump removed them from their positions early in his administration. They sued, of course, and The Supreme Court agrees that President Trump has that option. He can remove people from their job and replace them with people who are better aligned with his administration. We’ll dive into that in just a moment. Caroline Leavitt yesterday declared that the Democrat Party has never been more radical and out of touch with the needs of the American people, she said, referencing those Democrats who voted against President Trump’s big, beautiful bill this week. Members of the House. pulled an all-nighter Wednesday going into yesterday morning in order to pass the bill. It was a squeaker passed by one vote. Every single Democrat voted against it. Unfortunately, two Republicans did as well. We’re going to jump into that as well. The Department of Homeland Security is eliminating the student visa program at Harvard University due to pro-terrorist conduct at campus protests. This is in response to Harvard’s refusal to comply with its request for behavioral records of student visa holders. This will hit Harvard hard. because they depend a lot on the high tuition that these foreign students bring to their university. And it may not just be Harvard. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem says she’s going to be looking at other schools as well. And we’re learning more details about the horrific shooting of two Israeli embassy staffers outside of D.C.’ ‘s Capitol Jewish Museum, with officials saying that the suspect… literally went back and fired more rounds into their bodies as they’re lying on the ground to be sure that they’re dead. Yesterday, interim U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C., Jeanine Pirro, announced murder charges against 31-year-old Elias Rodriguez. He’s accused of killing the two Israeli embassy workers in cold blood Wednesday night in the name of a free Palestine. Rodriguez is a resident of Chicago. He’s been charged with two counts of first-degree murder for the murders of a young couple, Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Lynn Milgram. Pirro announced the charges at a news conference yesterday, saying a young couple at the beginning of their life’s journey about to be engaged in another country had their bodies removed in the cold of the night in a foreign city in a body bag. Here’s Janine Pirro at her news conference yesterday announcing the charges.
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Two families now are left to grieve for dreams that will never be realized. And as I speak right now, there is an individual who is being presented in court and charged with various crimes. 31-year-old Elias Rodriguez of Chicago, Illinois, is now charged by complaint after his initial appearance before U.S. Magistrate Judge Matthew Sharbaugh with the following. Murder in the first degree for the murder of 30-year-old Yaron Levshinsky, a foreign official and official guest of the United States. Mr. Levshinsky was here on official business for the state of Israel. The defendant, Rodriguez, is also charged with two counts of murder in the first degree for both Yaron Leshinsky along with 26-year-old Sarah Lynn Milgram of Kansas. In addition, there are several felony firearms charges for discharging a firearm in the middle of a violent crime and for causing the death of an individual through the use of that firearm. Now, this investigation is continuing, and as you can see, we have most of the stakeholders here today who will be given an opportunity to speak with you. But what I want to be clear about today, since this is the first time you’re hearing from me, is that this is a horrific crime, and these crimes are not going to be tolerated by me and by this office.
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Rodriguez could potentially face the death penalty? If convicted of either of the two counts, he could face also a minimum sentence of 30 years in prison and a maximum sentence of life behind bars as well. A lot of conversation about the potential death penalty. We’re going to get into that in just a moment. Authorities in Chicago raided his apartment yesterday. Agents and officers in tactical gear carrying rifles and a ballistic-type shield were seen swarming the brick building around 9 a.m. yesterday morning. Images from Fox 32 Chicago show investigators on the scene for much of the day yesterday. The Metropolitan Police in D.C. said that it’s increasing its presence at religious institutions across the city after this horrific crime. And also, according to an additional report, Rodriguez appeared to show no remorse for his actions. He, according to the report, fired several more times after the initial shots. Witnesses say that he had shot these two young people. He then walks back over and fires additional rounds into their body as they’re lying on the ground. Police said the video shows a slim person wearing a blue jacket with a hood, a large dark colored backpack, blue pants and light colored shoes, which is consistent with the clothes that Rodriguez was wearing. You can then see a man walking toward the museum and then walking away from where this horrific crime took place. What do you think? Are you good with the death penalty here? Is this a crime that warrants the death penalty? 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Speaking of the death penalty, a case in my home state of South Carolina, a death row inmate who killed his parents back in the late 1990s says that he’s ready to drop all legal challenges to his death sentence. Basically asking the court to allow him to fire his attorney so that he can receive the sentence that the court gave him, death. He’s ready to die. What do you think about that as well? Should the South Carolina courts allow this? Basically he’s asking to represent himself. and to drop all appeals. Many of you are texting saying, look, when the death penalty is given, it should be quick. Shouldn’t be months and years of appeals. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Your comments are welcome on the MyPillow text line. Always use promo code MikeG when you go to MyPillow.com, and you’ll get the very best savings of all the products, the towels, the pillows, the Giza Dream Sheets, any size, any color, on sale right now for $49.98 when you use promo code MikeG. I’m Joey Hudson, in for Mike on this Friday before Memorial Day.
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Actually, Joey Hudson in for Mike on this Friday, heading into the Memorial weekend. Glad to have you. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453 is how you join today’s conversation. You know, parents should never have to worry about sending their children off to school, off to college campuses. But that’s not always the case because, unfortunately, we’re losing these young kids to hazing. There’s an informative column that is in a popular newspaper in my home state of South Carolina, The Post and Courier, that addresses information that all parents and grandparents of college students need to be aware of. It’s titled… New data show South Carolina’s hazing problem is broader than you think. The column is written by Cindy Hipps and Elizabeth Allen. It reads, For South Carolinians, the name Tucker Hipps is synonymous with the fight against hazing. Tucker, a 19-year-old Clemson student and pledge at Sigma Phi Epsilon, died in September of 2014 after an early morning run with fraternity members and other pledges near the Clemson campus. His death and the subsequent activism were instrumental in the passage of the state’s Tucker-Hipps Transparency Act, which basically says that schools have to publish on an easy-to-find website any incidents of a campus fraternity or sorority. Joining us today is Elizabeth Allen, one of the authors of this. Elizabeth is a professor of higher education at the University of Maine, where she leads the Hazing Prevention Research Lab. She’s also principal at StopHazing.org, where she founded and currently leads the Hazing Prevention Consortium. Elizabeth, welcome. How are you?
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I’m fine. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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Sure thing. Appreciate you spending a few minutes of your day with us. Let’s start with a quick summary of what your organization, StopHazing.org, does.
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Yeah, so it’s our mission to help prevent hazing in schools, colleges, universities, and other organizations. We take research and research. We translate it to practice, so we create resources, no-cost resources for colleges and universities, for high schools, and we create information for parents and the general public to use to be informed about hazing and to build skills and awareness for how to report it and prevent it.
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Yeah. In 2008… You were the lead investigator for the National Study of Student Hazing, the most comprehensive study of student hazing in the U.S. You’re presently leading an effort to update the data, as I understand it. There’s been a good bit of awareness since 2008, unfortunately, because we’ve had other incidents of death as a result of hazing. Do you believe things have improved on campuses around the country since you published your first data?
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Well, that’s a great question, and that’s going to be part of our study. You know, we’re relaunching the national study next year, and that will help to provide a point of comparison to the 2008 data. I mean, so much has changed since 2008, of course, you know, in our world, and so it’s really important to get some updated data out. I think, you know, as you mentioned, we’ve continued to see lives lost due to hazing. There have been more than 100 deaths since 2000. And those, I know, and those, you know, tragedies tend to make the headlines. But there are other forms of harm that happen from hazing that, you know, people never see or hear about. And so, you know, We want to update the data so we have a better picture of the nature and extent of hazing currently. And I think, you know, based on anecdotal data, based on the work that we do with colleges and universities, we still know that the problem is fairly widespread. And there are, you know, concerns about the harm that’s happening. And it’s not just in colleges and universities. It’s in high schools as well and research areas. indicates it may be happening as early as middle school.
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Yeah. On our guest line today, Elizabeth Allen with StopHazing.org. Elizabeth, do other states have similar laws like the Tucker-Hipps Transparency Act? And how does this new federal law that was just passed in December, the Stop Campus Hazing Act, work in conjunction with the state laws?
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Yeah, so great question. There are currently nine states that require transparency, that have some kind of statute requiring colleges and universities to be transparent, to provide the public with information about hazing incidents, South Carolina being one of those states. And as you mentioned, the Stop Campus Hazing Act signed into law in December is going to require all colleges and universities across the country the nation to have a transparency report that’s publicly available online in a prominent location on their website. So we will soon have information shared. And again, this is for documented hazing incidents that have been reported and found in violation. Sure. So, yeah.
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Go ahead. So, as I understand it, and I know how the Tucker-Hipps Transparency Act, how it operates in my home state of South Carolina, but both of these laws, they’re focusing on reporting. But do you think that they’re being effective, and are school officials taking action when they receive these reports? Yes.
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Well, I mean, first of all, you’re right. They’re based on reported incidents. And we know from the research that we’ve done that very, very few, you know, a very small percentage, less than 10% of incidents are actually reported by the students.
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So, you know, so we’re only seeing a small fraction. And then what happens after it’s reported is difficult to know for sure. I think it really ranges based on what we know, you know, depending on the school policies, depending on the state laws, depending on whether or not a college or university has a protocol in place for how they deal with an incident when it’s reported. And we’re seeing, we’re definitely seeing more colleges and universities taking action to be prepared and to inform their students about how to report a hazing incident, how they can do so anonymously, which is important, and, you know, what to expect from when they report and also being more transparent, as we talked about earlier, about what the results of the investigation was.
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Sure. Elizabeth Allen is with me today. You can go to her website, StopHazing.org, and see all the information. This is a real problem. If you have a child in school or if you’re a grandchild in school, you need to be aware of this. You know, Elizabeth, most of this is focused on the Greek community on the campuses, but I was surprised to learn that it’s not just the Greek organizations though. I mean, hazing occurs in other campus life as well.
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You’re exactly right. And I think many more people need to learn that and to be aware of it. Because we found in the 2008 study that 55% of college students who participated in some kind of club team or organization had experienced hazing. And while, you know, many of those were in fraternities and sororities, not all. We found that hazing was happening in athletics. Of course, we’ve heard about that, but also in honor societies and performing arts groups, marching bands, acapella singing groups. We found still happening in club sports and intramural teams even.
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Elizabeth, I appreciate the work that you do and all these parents. It’s sad to watch this. I’ve known Cindy and Gary Hipps for a long, long time. I knew Tucker Hipps from the time he was just a small child, and it’s just been a sad, sad time for the Hipps family. But they’ve done a lot of work in educating parents so that they don’t have to go through what they’ve gone through. In our final moment or so together, what is your advice to parents of children who may be looking at going off to college this fall?
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Yes, so first of all, I just want to acknowledge Cindy and Gary and all they’ve done in the wake of the tragedy and to raise awareness on this issue, to work to help support and lobby for the Stop Campus Hazing Act. I think, you know, building on their work, we are trying to get the word out to more parents. We have a blog post on our website. On our website on StopHazing.org, that is 10 tips for talking with your teen about hazing. And I think that’s what’s most important is to not delay the conversation, not assume that just because they’re at a good school or they’re going to a good place that hasn’t had any incidents that you know of. Don’t just assume that everything’s going to be OK, but just be prepared and have a conversation and talk about what hazing might look like and what your student can do in terms of. their options for if they find themselves in a situation. And and I would really strongly encourage families to be informed of, you know, find out from their campus who the people are, where to go if they have a suspicion, because we know that students often talk with their friends and families about hazing situations when they don’t report it officially.
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Sure. Elizabeth, again, I appreciate what you do. I’ll be following your organization as you do update the data there. StopHazing.org, StopHazing.org. I hope you have a wonderful Memorial Weekend, Elizabeth.
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Thank you so much. You too. Appreciate it.
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Sure thing. Elizabeth Hand again. Go to our website, StopHazing.org, because you need to be aware. If you have a child who is in college or looking to go to college or university this fall, this is a real issue. And I had to… I had to watch my good friends, Cindy and Gary, as they lost Tucker in 2014 in just a totally unnecessary situation as he was a freshman at Clemson University, pledging and out for an early morning run and lost his life. because of this situation. And you never think that it’s not going to happen to you because these other families, these other parents have thought the same. So StopHazing.org. Now, as you get ready to go into the Memorial Weekend, I need your help. Let me invite you. to join other listeners who’ve already made generous donations to our annual Angel Tree Camp Drive. We’re sending children with a mom or dad in prison for a week of fresh air activities like swimming and horseback riding. Most importantly, though, and listen to me closely here, they hear the gospel. some of them for the very first time. Many of them accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior at an angel tree camp, and this is what we’re trying to do. This is where I need your help. I need you to go to mikeonline.com, click on the banner, Make a Difference in the Lives of Prisoners’ Children banners right across the top. You can’t miss it. For just $200, you can send a child to summer camp. You and I have the power to change their future and really transform a child’s life for eternity through this nonprofit prison fellowship. Steve Collins of Angel Tree Camp offers this reason why you should help a child that you will never meet.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Sitting in for Mike today, here’s Joey Hudson.
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Welcome in on this Memorial Weekend Eve as we head into the weekend. Glad to have you join me. I’m Joey Hudson, in for Mike, 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453 is how you join the conversation. You can text me on the MyPillow text line. You can email me directly, joeyhudson.com. And like I always do when I sit in for Mike on Friday, Friday is always Free Speech Friday. Whatever’s on your mind, I’m all ears. 800-655-6453. Boy, we’ve got a lot to cover today. We’re learning more details about the horrific shooting of two Israeli embassy staffers outside of D.C.’ ‘s capital Jewish museum. Officials saying that the suspect literally went back and fired additional rounds into the bodies lying on the ground after they were down. The Department of Homeland Security is eliminating the student visa program for Harvard University due to, quote, pro-terrorist conduct at campus protest. This in response to Harvard’s refusal to comply with its request for behavioral records of student visa holders by the Trump administration. So they’re going to make an example out of Harvard. And Harvard may be just the first. This may be the beginning of others. A death row inmate in my home state of South Carolina said, who was convicted of killing his parents, says he’s ready to drop all legal challenges and be put to death. We’ll talk a little about that as well. And White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt declared that the Democrat Party has never been so out of touch as they are now in reference to every single Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives voted against President Trump’s big, beautiful bill this week. In a news conference yesterday, the White House press secretary came out swinging, if you will, and boy, did she take on the no votes. In cut number one, she said, and I quote, the Democrat Party has never been more radical and out of touch with the needs of the American people. Here’s Caroline Leavitt.
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The House of Representatives, of course, voted in the very early morning hour yesterday. 215 to 214 passed by one vote. And some of you may are aware, of course, that one of those potential no votes was that of South Carolina Representative Ralph Norman. I spoke with Representative Norman earlier in the week when it was still uncertain as to how he was going to vote. He had voted no initially Friday a week ago, which sent it into the weekend uncertain. He voted present Sunday night. when the House leadership wanted to advance the bill on to the full House, he ended up a yes vote after President Trump and the Speaker and others sat down and they kind of talked through the process. Some of the objections that Representative Norman had was, of course, the fact that able-bodied adults can get Medicaid benefits without working. He feels like if they are able to work, they should be working. Illegals. He does not want illegals being able to benefit from Medicaid. And he had another list. I had a chance. He was on my local show on Newstalk 98.9 WORD, The Voice of the Carolinas, earlier this week. And here’s what Representative Norman told me then.
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So what did I object to? Well, able-bodied Americans who choose not to work are included in Medicaid payments. Along with the able-bodied Americans, illegals are on the dole to get a government paycheck. I’m sorry, if you’re not an American citizen, you do not need to get a federal government check, whether it’s Medicaid or any of the other 20 agencies that give away our tax money. I will say this too, Joey, I’m not just so rigid. Let’s say if they come up with a compromise. Let’s say they want to pay the illegals and the able-bodied Americans for a year. I would look at that. But on the subsidies, it’s like opening the dam up on money, again, that we don’t have, that the private sector ought to be doing it. They don’t need government help. And I’m just tired of continuing to say we’re physically conservative, which we all campaign on, and don’t back it up. And now’s the time to back it up.
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That was Representative Ralph Norman earlier this week. Of course, he ended up voting yes, voting in favor of the big, beautiful bill. But at the time, a lot of people were saying, what’s wrong with Ralph Norman? Why is he opposing the president’s agenda? Ralph Norman was just fighting for things that he believes he’s obligated to ask for because his constituents in the 5th District of South Carolina, they don’t want people getting Medicaid benefits when they’re able to work. They don’t want illegals on Medicaid. And guess what? Representative Norman and others who are asking for these things, it’s a process. It was a political process this week. Yes, it looked ugly at times, but they got these things. For example, under the legislation that passed, Medicaid work requirements will go into effect December of 2026. Not… in January of 2029 like the original bill had. I mean, if it’s a given that people, able-bodied adults, should be working in order to get the benefits, if we all agree on that, why wait three, four, five years? And that’s all I think Representative Norman was asking. Well, he got that. Because come December 31, 2026, if you’re able to work, then you’re going to have to have a job to get those benefits. States are also allowed, under the bill that passed, states are allowed to implement work requirements even sooner if they choose to. They don’t have to wait until December of 2026. Again, the work requirements were a result of the holdouts like Ralph Norman, like Chip Roy, who said, you know, we’ve got to do better. The American people… They’re tired of this type of thing. We have to do what’s best for the people we represent. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. It is Free Speech Friday. Whatever’s on your mind, I’m all ears. Joey Hudson in for Mike today. Now I’m not so sure.
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Well, thank you so much. I appreciate you taking my call, Joey. A great show as usual. Thank you. I am anti-capital punishment.
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Okay.
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And I’m going to tell you why. I am 100% for capital punishment if it was done correctly. However, it’s not. And you kind of supported what I was going to say by talking about the South Carolina where now he wants to change it. He wants to be put to death. He was incarcerated, what, back in the 1990s or so? That’s right. What do we have, John Wayne Gacy? And when you’re in there, do you understand that when you have the death penalty, You have rights to appeals and everything else. This drags on for decades. And while the decades are dragging on, we’re paying tons of money, triple what it normally takes to put them in general confinement. And put them out with the general population. Let them deal with that. But keep them in for the rest of his life. But why are we going to cater to this guy and give him the best of the best? I say no. That’s the only reason I’m against it. However, if they did it correctly and put him to death immediately, I’d be 100% for it, Joey.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. So you’re for capital punishment. You just think, like I do, that it shouldn’t drag out for months and years, decades. I mean, we have some in South Carolina that have literally been in there for 10, 15, 20 years waiting for this to happen. But you’re not opposed to capital punishment?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, sir. If it was done correctly, I say take him out.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree, Don. I think we’re on the same page there. Timothy is in Minneapolis. Welcome, Timothy.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, hey, I just got to say first, I don’t trust the justice system to determine whether or not somebody should die or not. There’s been so many cases with that. Besides that, I would just like to state that that this death penalty thing, they put these criminals, these guys know they killed somebody or if they can actually prove, I mean, they really know for sure the guy killed somebody and it was heinous or premeditated or whatever this is. Those people are put in their company cell where most of the time it’s privatized, and the judges make money off of putting these people in these prisons. That’s another issue. But anyways, I say all these people that are on these death row, or these people that have done crimes against humanity, why is there not a rope hanging in their room with the chair? Why shouldn’t they be taking their own life rather than having another man take their life? God didn’t intend that, for a man to take another man’s life. They should take their own life. And why are we trying to protect them from killing themselves? when they deserve to die and they want to die. Just put a rope in the room.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good question, Timothy. You know, I don’t know. I don’t know why. If you have someone on death row, why would they be on suicide watch? Good question. 800-655-6453. Heather is in, is it Arkansas? Yes. Hi, Heather. Welcome.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hi. I just wanted to comment. There was a lady that came on the radio that said that she was worried about making another person be a murderer. Okay, well, we already have people that are on death row that have murdered people, so I don’t see why not just let them murder the next person in front of them if they’ve already murdered somebody before.
SPEAKER 14 :
Ah, so let them be in the firing squad, for example. Let them pull the trigger.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’ve already done it. I mean, clearly they’re okay with it, so if they’re okay with it and they already… committed it, then might as well let them take each other out.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s an interesting thought, Heather. Appreciate your phone call. Have a great Memorial weekend. You know, South Carolina, my home state, a year or so ago, maybe two years ago, up until then, you had two choices, the electric chair or injection, lethal injection. We added a third option, which is the firing squad. And we’ve had a couple who have chosen the firing squad now. The most recent one that was put to death, evidently the – and I think there are three shooters, but evidently they did not – it did not immediately pierce the person’s heart. And so there’s been an outcry of people saying, well, he didn’t die immediately. I guess some of the witnesses there said that they heard him make some noises. Now, he died within a minute, but there’s been people who complained about that, that the firing squad, that it wasn’t instant. Now, my answer to that is this particular guy was on death row because he beat his girlfriend’s parents to death with a baseball bat. I suspect… that they made some noises when he was beating them to death. And some of these people are a little concerned because this guy, it took him a minute, although I don’t even think it was a minute. I think it was like 30 seconds or so. But there was a delay in his death, and they actually heard him make some noises because the bullet didn’t pierce his heart immediately. I have no compassion for that. Back to the phones. Ben is in Missouri. Welcome, Ben.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, Mr. Joey, I appreciate you taking my call. Hey, I just want to make a couple of quick points. I went to prison years ago, and it was drug-related, some big mistakes. I was younger, and since then, gave my life back to God. I grew up in the church, and I’m fully clean and living a great life now, and I’ve got a successful business. Everything’s great, and I owe that all to God. But I do want to tell you this. that maybe it’s because I was a lower-level offender and it was drug-related and it was not due to murdering somebody, which I can’t fathom. I can’t fathom some of these grotesque, horrific things that people do. But I’ll tell you this, and I’ve thought about this my time there and since being in, that I think the absolute worst thing… that we could do as a society is give people the ability to die when they should.
SPEAKER 14 :
Sorry, Ben, we’re out of time. Appreciate your call, though. Appreciate you joining me on this Friday. Special thanks to the team, Eric and Kristen and Teresa. Mike will be back next week. Hope you have a wonderful, blessed Memorial Weekend. I’m Joey Hudson, in for Mike.
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