In this eye-opening episode of ‘Rush to Reason’, John Rush and his guests dive into the complexities and misconceptions surrounding U.S. immigration policy. From false narratives about U.S. citizens being deported to deep discussions on the lack of due process for aliens, this episode aims to clarify widespread misunderstandings. Joining the conversation, a knowledgeable caller helps demystify the legal intricacies involved in immigration enforcement, shedding light on the realities often manipulated by political narratives. The dialogue takes a detailed look at the inner workings of agencies like ICE and the procedures they follow before any enforcement takes place, crucially
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All right, we are back. Third hour, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, your engineer, Dave, and Thornton, thanks for hanging on. What’s going on, sir?
SPEAKER 16 :
Nothing much, John and Andy. First of all, I wanted to thank you guys for bringing some light to this subject because, unfortunately, what we’ve got is… There’s a lot of uneducation out there. A lot of people do not realize how exactly the U.S. immigration system works. And number two, because of that, those people who have malintent, specifically the demoncrats, they have a lot of misinformation. And unfortunately, if they are uneducated, they will believe what they’re being told. So first and foremost, you know, there is no U.S. citizen
SPEAKER 05 :
being deported there is not no yeah i think i know i think dave i was going to say that today it was actually in my notes the other day i never got around to it i appreciate you saying that because that’s one of the things one of the narratives you’ll hear coming out of the left is citizens are being deported no they are not there is not one known instance of a citizen a true blue american citizen being deported because they can’t be their citizens
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. The thing is, where are we going to send them to?
SPEAKER 05 :
Here? Yeah, exactly. Thank you, Dave. Where are you sending them back to? Here? Iowa. That’s where they’re from. Give me a break. That’s another lie that the left will permeate, Dave, on a regular basis is citizens are being deported. No, they’re not.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the whole purpose behind that is that they want to try to push this whole Nazi Gestapo type of thing on people, and people are too stupid.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I hate to put it in those terms, but we’ve got to be honest with one another. People are just too stupid to look beyond that and say, wait a minute, that doesn’t make sense. I’m an American citizen. You can’t deport me. Where are you going to deport me to? I’m a citizen of this country.
SPEAKER 05 :
Along those same lines, Dave, I saw something on social media the other day. I can’t remember where it was, but I was watching something or saw something, and it said something to the effect of, if you had to prove you were an American citizen, can you? And I’m thinking, yeah. got a social security card i’ve got my birth certificate by the way that shows i was born at boulder community hospital in boulder colorado i mean the reality dave is it’s not too hard for me to prove i’m an american citizen i’ve got many other documents beyond that by the way tax returns and so on but the reality is the the one most important one is my birth certificate showing where i was born how hard is this exactly and the thing is
SPEAKER 16 :
What people got to realize, people within the Department of Homeland Security, within CDP, within HSI, within ICE, the amount of training that they go to to determine that and the databases that they have access to to determine who is or is not a citizen, who has lawful status and who does not have lawful status, who has been admitted legally and who has not been admitted legally is vast. So they go through all of that before they ever make contact with anyone else. Now, if they make a casual contact with a suspect on the street, it’s the same thing as any police officer who stops a person because, hey, you match the description of a bank robber. You’re not the bank robber. But after I run your name, well, you’ve got a warrant out for your arrest. That officer is not going to ignore the fact that you have a warrant out for your arrest simply because he was looking for a bank robber, which you are not. So it’s the same thing. An ICE agent or any other immigration officer authorized to enforce immigration law, when they come across another person, even though they weren’t looking for that person, but they realized through their investigation on scene that that person is here unlawfully, well, guess what? They can’t ignore that. That person must be taken into custody, and they must be processed through. Now, that’s the other thing that we need to address, which I think people need to learn about the law, which is getting thrown around, bandied about very cheaply, like a collusion was, quid pro quo was, you know, when they were going after Trump. This whole notion of due process, the thing is that the Supreme Court has determined that because immigration is exclusively a federal authority and that no alien who comes into the United States has a right to due process. They do not have a right to due process. That is why any alien that is arrested by the Border Patrol within that 100 miles of the border can immediately be taken into custody and removed without ever seeing an immigration judge, simply because they’re here illegally. And the fact of the matter is that if they were to go for an immigration judge, that is a civil matter on the first offense. Second offense, then it becomes a felony. But that is why it is treated differently. That is why the immigration courts are separate from any kind of a court of appeals. It can be taken to a court of appeals through a criminal court. But it goes through a separate system entirely. And that’s what people need to shop and educate themselves on. This is what we’re talking about. And this is why there is no such thing as due process.
SPEAKER 10 :
Dave, really quick, Dave, really quick before you run on. The left is looking at this and they’re telling young people that basically our constitutional rights are for everyone on the planet. No, it’s for American citizens, okay? And so everyone on the planet who comes here, especially those who do not come here legally, do not have constitutional rights in the same way. Why is that so hard to understand?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, all you’ve got to do is ask any knucklehead American who’s gone down to Mazatlan or Puerto Vallarta on spring break, gets a little too much to drink, and then breaks along, gets arrested, And they assume that their rights follow them into Mexico. And they’re quickly abused of that by the American authorities or the Mexican authorities who quickly educate them that, no, this is Mexico and you have no rights in Mexico. You broke the law in Mexico and now you’re subject to Mexican law. So there you go. Those rights do not extend to every person around the world. And more importantly, we are we owe no obligation to the rest of the world to provide them with citizenship, education, food, housing, nothing. If we do it out of the goodness of our hearts, that’s because that’s what we are as a people, as an American people.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Well said, Dave. I’m glad we waited. Good stuff, sir.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and so like I said, I appreciate you guys really bringing this to light because that last caller, I forget his name, don’t mean to be rude, but a lot of what he’s saying is a lot of, not even misinformation, it’s just straight out lies and fabrications. None of that is happening. If somebody’s being arrested at an immigration court, it’s because there’s already been an order of removal issued against them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. And I did look up, Dave, through the top of the hour on has there been anybody… taken into custody that is right there on their day of being sworn in. You know, they take the oath and all of that as a citizen. No, I can’t find one single instance of that. Yes, there have been some, to your point, Dave, where there’s an order of removal. They show up at a court hearing. They know they’re going to be there that day. ICE does. And, yes, they remove them because, as you said, there’s already an order of removal in place.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the thing is, it’s ridiculous. Again, if somebody’s there on the date of their naturalization, all that stuff’s been done already.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’ve been vetted already.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’ve met the criteria. They’ve passed the citizenship test. They meet all that criteria. So for all intents and purposes, they’re American citizens, and ICE’s authority on that person ends right there because they are an American citizen. Unless… They lied on their application somewhere, and it’s found out later on.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’d be – yeah, now that’s a whole – yeah, that’s getting off into an area, Dave, we could spend another whole hour on talking about. That’s a whole other legal set of things. And, again, if that isn’t the case, then that’s way out of the norm. And, you know, if that’s a one-off scenario, then there’s more to the story than we’re probably being told. And, again, I haven’t even seen any of those. So the reality, Dave, is – believe you me, and I said this earlier, and I mean this – If, and it was Jim, but if there was one instance of this happening, I can tell you right now, Dave, every mainstream media outlet would be off and running with it.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’d be everywhere. Absolutely. And not only that, but any kind of enforcement activity would have been shut down immediately until everything got resolved.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because that would never happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 16 :
The only other time that I could think that that situation would happen, and HSI specifically, prior to that, the former INS, had a specialized unit that went after actual real-life Nazis. People who fled Nazi Germany after World War II, lied on their application, were adjudicated as citizens. They’d lived here for 10, 20 years, and they were actually prison guards in Nazi death camps. Once that was found out, they were arrested, they were denaturalized, and they were deported. But those are very few instances, and that’s why they had those specialized units. For those instances, that doesn’t happen that much. The last one that I know of was here in Colorado, actually. A guy who was part of, I think it was in Rwanda or one of those African countries where he was part of a slaughter, a mass slaughter of people. And he was here living, trying to hide under the radar, and he was found out. So that is a rare, rare, rare instance.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, Dave, I just think that we’re a little too quick to believe in reports that come from liberal outlets who are never even willing to say the words illegal immigrant. Okay. And yet we’re going to believe their take on a story.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and Dave, as I said earlier, it goes for both sides of the aisle. I talk about it on our side a lot as well. I’m always on our side. I’m constantly on our side about don’t post something you cannot verify that you do not know is true. For example, I gave the example yesterday. where there were some folks on our side showing Governor Polis and Lieutenant Governor and one other individual raising the Mexican flag on a pole, making it look like that was happening yesterday at the Capitol. I could find no proof anywhere, Dave, that that happened. And I criticized those individuals publicly on air yesterday for doing so because they had their facts wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And, you know, that’s the unfortunate thing, especially with social media and You know, the last 20 years of where the Internet has gone.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, we’ve got so much low information out there who don’t bother to be speculative of what they’re hearing. I’m thinking, well, who benefits by that or who’s telling me?
SPEAKER 05 :
And in today’s world, to your point, Dave, we have to be more diligent now than we’ve ever been.
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Absolutely. A hundred percent, especially with. When AI first started coming out, you could tell it was fake. It was doctored or whatever. Not now. But now some of that stuff that’s coming out now is very, very realistic.
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Oh, it looks extremely, extremely real to your point. Dave, I got to run. I appreciate you, though, very much. Thank you, man. Have a great night. Flesh Law coming up next. Speaking of all of this stuff, legally speaking and everything going on, you may need representation yourself, civil, criminal, you name it. Kevin is there for you. Find him by calling 303-806-8886.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Great conversation we’ve had today, by the way, the last couple of hours. It really has morphed into a lot to do with working and immigration and our laws and what’s going on in L.A. and so on. And I appreciate all of you guys that have called in and a lot of the things that we’ve been able to even talk about, quote-unquote, set the record straight in some areas. And Andy and I were just talking through the break and this whole thing that you’ll hear from the left at times of, you know, citizens being deported. Let me tell you what, folks. This is where common sense has to come into play. If you, for one second… think that an actual citizen of the United States of America was deported, that name, their address, how to get a hold of them would be all over, coast to coast, every single news media outlet that there is talking about that particular scenario. The reality is, folks, it’s not happening.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, they’d have the biggest name since Rodney King.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’d be a heyday.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, it would just be absolutely huge.
SPEAKER 05 :
It would be a heyday.
SPEAKER 10 :
Huge.
SPEAKER 05 :
Ice would have such a black eye that, believe me, there are lefties out there that would love to see that happen. That’s why they’re talking about it. And the reality is it isn’t, it hasn’t, and it’s not going to.
SPEAKER 10 :
Let me take a step back to something Jordan was saying. Can I?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
In hour one, for those maybe just catching this now.
SPEAKER 10 :
In hour one. Good hour, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, it was fun.
SPEAKER 10 :
Great discussion. But this idea that Trump is going to simply deport… All these, you know, hundreds of thousands of people and suddenly nobody’s going to be able to pick vegetables and fruit. Okay. Do you think, John, that Donald Trump is going to remove all the people who are doing that without any plan to replace them or without any plan to reintegrate them?
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, where do we get what is the evidence of this? Obviously, we are doing sweeps. Obviously, we are targeting the violent ones first. Obviously, because we have these jurisdictions where the cops don’t help, we’re having to do a total sweep that’s going to bring into it people who are simply here illegally. which, by the way, is a felony, I want to remind people, but they have not committed further crimes beyond that. I get that, okay? But if this causes a severe lacking of personnel to do those jobs, you don’t think that Donald Trump will act in some way?
SPEAKER 05 :
He would.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. You’re a business guy. What are some ways he could act?
SPEAKER 05 :
A lot of things we talked about during the first hour, some of you just picking things up today. There needs to be some sweeping reform when it comes to immigration. The H-2-1, H-2-B visa programs, frankly, in my opinion, need scrapped and rewritten. They’re garbage the way they are right now. I talked about this in hour one, how only the wealthy… corporations are able to participate in those particular programs they should be available literally for anyone yep out there whether you need you know one worker or a thousand you should be able to participate in that they don’t allow that there’s quotas that are set and by the way this is my opinion And not to get off track here, but a lot of those quotas, I believe, are being set by those that lobby, U.S. Chamber of Commerce, for example. They lobby for those particular numbers to be set because, once again, they can benefit all of their big business folk that are inside of that organization. And the guy that needs five or ten workers can’t participate because there’s not enough to go around. That’s the excuse they’ll give you. There’s not enough to go around. Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’re helping their big donors freeze out the competition.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s exactly right, Andy. It’s being used as a tool to actually stomp down your competition, which isn’t right either.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no. Take a step back here. If we were going to streamline that process, which you and I agree on, we’ve been saying it. Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ve been saying it for years, by the way, even before he was elected the last time.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve been saying it for well over a decade.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And if we were to streamline that process, though, let’s say we were to streamline that process of legal immigration without fixing illegal immigration. We left it Biden style. Well, that would be a disaster. Now you’re just speeding up this track of people coming in without having done anything about the tens of millions who came in illegally. Look, I think Donald Trump is doing it in the right order. First, you’ve got to fix illegal immigration.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, first thing is you’ve got to close the border, which we did. Then you’ve got to do what you’re saying. Start removing them. And then streamline. And I was going to add one other layer to what we were talking about with how would I fix this. A, streamline the HB1, HB2 programs. Sure. On top of that, and some of you are going to disagree with me. That’s fine. We can agree to disagree. I would then take those individuals that qualify for that and then add in another layer of, let’s do a merit-based immigration system. Because, by the way, not everybody that comes on one of those visas wants to stay. Some people enjoy coming for six months, nine months, and then going home. They don’t want to live here all of the time, Andy. They come here. They make a pretty good living. They take that money back with them. They help out their own family that’s there. They maybe only want to do that for a season. Sort of like, for example, here’s an example. Some of you would say, well, why would anybody want to do that? Fishermen in Alaska… Yep. Do it every year, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER 05 :
There are people there right now from the East Coast that go all the way to Alaska to make a boatload of money during the summer months in Alaska, and then they take the rest of the year off. The same thing happens when it comes to people that come from places like Mexico, where they can come in, work for six to nine months, and go home for three months.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And by the way, you come here, you make a ton of money here in America, right? At America levels, you go back and you live like a king. Why? Because everything is much cheaper there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. Okay. Point being, you could… My reasoning with this is you could take those individuals that are not that individual that only want to come and work and go home and add a layer saying, OK, if you want to come to work and then stay, it’s merit based. What are you bringing? What are your skills? What are the things that you’re bringing to the table that would allow you to be a productive citizen of the United States of America?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, and that doesn’t mean, well, I’m a programmer. No, no, no, it could be I’m a mechanic.
SPEAKER 05 :
It could be you’re a bricklayer.
SPEAKER 10 :
It could be I’m a bricklayer, I’m a roofer, I’m a whatever-er.
SPEAKER 05 :
I do flat work on concrete. I do flat work. I’m a landscaper. I don’t care.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know what Donald Trump would say? Hey, sounds great. Yeah, I would too. You’re the kind of, you’re what we want.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re one of those we need. I can work agriculture. I can go run that John Deere tractor. I can do whatever the magic thing is.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, no, but Trump wants all those people out because he’s a racist. He’s a bigot. No, actually the opposite. He just wants a bunch of his buddies. No, folks. He would look at that person who wants to come in, and they want to work hard, and they say, well, you know what? Honestly, I’m willing to go and pick fields and so forth, but actually I want to build a business one day. Donald Trump… would be sweating with excitement over hearing that. He’d be like, oh my gosh, come make America better. You’re exactly what I want.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and that’s where I’m saying we need to fix some of those things that we currently have because it takes far… Those of you that have never been around… folks that have immigrated here, whether it be from Mexico, whether it be from South America, South Africa, Canada, etc. If you’ve never been around anybody and know the struggle in the amount of time that it takes, most people, Andy, would be flabbergasted to know the length of time and money that it actually takes to become an American citizen. My whole point has been for decades now, it shouldn’t be that hard.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I agree. I totally agree. You’ve made the right way really hard and the wrong way easy.
SPEAKER 05 :
So what do you think you’re going to get as a result, Andy? The wrong way. Thank you. Duh. How hard is this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. And you’ve got to keep in mind, they’ve made it very, very, very clear.
SPEAKER 05 :
Super easy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Kristi Noem has made it very, very, very clear. Guys, you come to us and you say, look, I came here illegally, but I want to do it the right way. And we will, you know, we will process you. Yeah, you’re going to leave, but you may be brought right back. And Kristi Noem has been very clear about that. Why? Because she knows the numbers, John. She’s pretty smart. Okay. She knows the numbers. She knows, hey, we’re going to want them back anyway. That’s great. You play by the rules. We’re going to play with you. We’re going to work with you. Right. Why is that so hard? You broke the law. Look, you are a felon. You invaded a nation. Oh no, I just came across… You invaded a nation. John, have you ever gone illegally into a nation?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you can’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
I know that!
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s the problem. You can’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
What really gets me, John, is these people who want to act like that’s nothing. Oh, but they haven’t committed any crime since they came here. Hey! I’ve never invaded a nation. Well, you’re putting it that way. We don’t put it that way. Yeah. You know why? Because I’m being honest. You invaded… Look, if I go into somebody’s home without permission, that’s called a home what, John?
SPEAKER 05 :
Home invasion.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you. You’re invading a home. You’re invading a nation. Look… Can I forgive that? Yes, I can. But you’ve got to go through the right process. You’ve got to do it straight up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Agreed. I was reading, I was watching something this morning, reading something this morning about an individual. She spent, make sure I get this right, she spent 98, I believe, 98 days in jail in Mexico. All because, by the way, not because she stayed, overstayed, did anything along those lines, but this just shows you how other laws in other countries work is the point Andy’s making. So I’m going to prove that with this particular situation.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Somehow or another, she thought that she needed pew-pew firearm protection when she went to Mexico.
SPEAKER 12 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know why she thought that. Don’t know why she didn’t research some of this out. And I guess in her defense, when she went to the airline to check in, they checked in the particular pistol and the ammo has to be separate and has to be in a locked case. And all of that was all kosher and all good to go. And she was allowed to board this particular flight to Mexico, which she did. She then gets to Mexico and she can’t find her luggage. It’s not there. So she’s like, hey, I got to get going. Can you tell me when my luggage is going to be here? You can always deliver it to the hotel or I can have it picked up or I can come back and get it, blah, blah, blah. Well, you know, you need to come with us. So then she goes to this room, which, of course, they’ve got her luggage at. And inside of it is the pew-pew, the gun. Right. Well, you’re not allowed to do that. Right. That’s not allowed in Mexico, just like there’s other illegal things, for example.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mexico is not freedom land.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, there’s no Second Amendment there. So in this particular case, because of what she did, even though there was no ill intent, keep in mind, she came, you know, she was a tourist. She was just coming to make sure she could protect herself and so on. But because of doing something that was against their law, 98 days in jail, Andy. 98.
SPEAKER 10 :
98 days. That’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 05 :
98 days in a Mexican jail.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, that is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 05 :
I can’t think of anything worse. My point, though, Andy, is that’s their law there. So why is Mexico not getting raked over the coals for this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Because the left loves socialists, and they’re a socialist nation. But, you know, John, let me ask you a quick question. Does that mean the cartels and all other organized crime are gone because they don’t have the gun problem in Mexico?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that’s it, Andy. Because they fix that.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, you disarm the citizenry. And I’m telling you what, man, it is utopia.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s crime free. Nowhere do you go. Do you have to worry about any of that, Andy?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s beautiful, like Chicago.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Let’s talk, Andy, just for a moment because it dovetails into a lot of what we were talking about. There’s stuff going on now in L.A. There might be others that happen when it comes to the No Kings Day, which if any of you want to know about that, just look it up. And for all of you listening, it may be different days where it affects different things. So best to know what’s going on in your particular area. I’ve talked about that a couple of different times now. But this whole idea of peaceful protests and when should law enforcement step in when it comes to a quote-unquote peaceful protest. Well, first of all, if it in fact is peaceful and it’s done in the right area – this is another thing people get mixed up on, by the way. Peaceful protesting can be done in public places, not private. So in other words, if you own a private university – And a bunch of lefties want to come and have a protest against a particular meeting you have going on that particular day. If it’s totally private and you’re not receiving any federal state funds whatsoever, you can close the campus and say not welcome here. That is not a violation of anybody’s free speech. It’s your private property and they are not allowed to be there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and John, we would go either way with this. Let’s say you are pro-lifers and you want to protest at a Planned Parenthood. There’s a certain distance that you have to be away from the Planned Parenthood.
SPEAKER 05 :
On public ground.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they’ve got a halo, okay? And that’s the way it is. And I believe in that. Even though I hate what they’re doing there, you should not be able to obstruct and impede their right to do a business.
SPEAKER 05 :
And where this goes into, and this is where Andy and I are going to go with this, where this heads is, When does a peaceful protest cross that line to where law enforcement should then be called in and action to be taken? That is, in my opinion, when you’re protesting and it’s taking away the right of someone else. So let me give you an example. Okay. You’re a protester, you’re a group, and you’ve now spilled over into a freeway and you’re now blocking the freeway. Yep. It’s no longer peaceful at that point. And the reason I say that is you may not be damaging anything. You may not be breaking anything. But here’s the reality. You have taken away somebody else’s right to travel freely on that freeway, meaning you should not be there.
SPEAKER 10 :
You are impeding their right to transit.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you took their right away is my point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. You took other people’s rights away. It is not just you using your speech. As I always say, you have the right to your rights, but you do not have the right to impose your rights against others.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or take someone else’s away.
SPEAKER 10 :
And take theirs away. You know, let me give another example. One thing that’s become very common is this. These activists, they find out that ICE is going to go to an apartment complex. Right. Okay. And what do they do? They rally to do a protest outside the complex. Right. Because they were tipped off. Okay. You are now… You see, ICE was going to go there quietly. They have to be secretive. If they are not secretive, if the bad guys know they’re coming, the bad guys can be waiting behind the door with a gun.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. You just endangered the ICE officers. Right. You impeded the ICE officers. You are a criminal. You’re an accessory at that point. You need to go to prison. But we were doing it peacefully.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t care. Really quick, those of you that are on the left, let me give an example of where you would be for this. Where you would be all for doing this. You’d be agreeing. And you would be wanting this particular person arrested. Let’s say that there’s a gunrunner. and ATF catches wind that there’s a gunrunner in this particular neighborhood, and they all of a sudden get things assembled. Oh, but by the way, something gets leaked out, and somebody that’s a huge Second Amendment supporter finds out about it and then tips off this particular gunrunner that the ATF is on its way, and they tip him off, and the guy’s gone, and there’s nothing the ATF can do. You guys on the left would cry foul on that one and be all mad at that particular individual that did the tipping off, and you’d want that person arrested. How is it any different, by the way?
SPEAKER 10 :
It is no different whatsoever, except here’s the difference. You and I would say that guy who tipped him off should go to prison, too. You were impeding the ATF.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Either way. We call it even. The left doesn’t. The left picks favorites. We call it even. If you are impeding law enforcement, by the way, if you’re impeding federal law enforcement, which ICE is, that’s called a federal crime, John. Right. And these people who do that, these people who get wind of ice going into an area, for ice to go in and have people alert the bad guys to their presence and danger them, they should all go to prison.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dan in Blackhawk, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
So a preacher that I listen to put it this way. You can wave your fist and, you know, everything in the air and do all you can about your rights. But the minute your fist hits my nose, that’s where your right hand and mine begins.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
So you can do whatever you want, but you can’t violate my rights.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, but even a peaceful protest where you’re not throwing a fist or anything, but you are impeding law enforcement or impeding traffic.
SPEAKER 05 :
I draw the same line there, Dan. In other words, some protests, they get permits and they block off streets and so on. That’s not what I’m talking about. If you’re just out protesting, say there’s 15 people. They decide all of a sudden they want to have a little mini rally in front of the state capitol. But, oh, by the way, they spill over and they end up in the street laying down because they don’t want traffic to go by said capitol. My opinion is those folks should be arrested and hauled off because they’ve taken away the rights of others.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. By the way, no different.
SPEAKER 05 :
Really quick. I’ll give everybody here in Colorado an example. Some of you may remember this. Some of you may not. I do. Back when Rocky Flats was really hopping along out off of Highway 93 and or Indiana, depending upon which end you went to, the train tracks were over on the 93 side. And you used to get protesters all the time that would go out there and lay on the tracks. not allowing those trains to come and go out of Rocky Flats. They were always arrested and hauled off. Again, Dan, yes, they have the right to protest, but not taking away the rights of either Rocky Flats at that point in time and or the private train company that was hauling train cars on said tracks.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. So now aren’t they protesting in New York City now, too, or not?
SPEAKER 05 :
I have not seen.
SPEAKER 10 :
They were planning some. I don’t know if that was today or tomorrow. Not sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, well, they can protest or… We have the right for peaceful assembly is what the First Amendment says. Yeah, right. And that’s the word. Peaceful assembly is the word there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Key word.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think burning cars, throwing rocks, molotov cocktails, you know, that is not peaceful assembly. Well, no, that’s not. And that’s not protected by the First Amendment.
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 11 :
So people want to cry foul and talk about the First Amendment.
SPEAKER 05 :
And really, for all of you listening, some of you may not have read the First Amendment for any length of time, but I’ll just read it. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or of the right of the people to peacefully, keyword, assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Keyword there, Dan, peacefully.
SPEAKER 11 :
If they’re illegal, how can they redress the government if
SPEAKER 05 :
the government isn’t over them or doesn’t have… That’s probably way above my head on the legalese end of things. And some, by the way, and this is all interpretation, some lawyers on the left would say they have every right to peacefully redress their grievances against government. Some on the right would come back and say no because they’re not citizens yet. They don’t have that right. That’s one of those, Dan, to where, frankly, you could talk to… all sorts of different attorneys and get all sorts of different websites out there that would agree with either side.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I’m sorry, but I’m going to agree with one side. The Bill of Rights, just like the Constitution, is not for the entire planet.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is for American citizens. That’s right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, if you are here illegally, you don’t have any of those rights.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I agree with you, Andy, but again, it depends on which side of the aisle you’re on. By the way, even which judge you’re talking to in this country and even which Supreme Court justice you’re talking to as to what they would agree with or disagree with as far as what Andy and I just said.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep, but I’m with you, Andy. They’re not citizens. They don’t have any rights to be here, and they shouldn’t have any rights to protest or redress the government because – They’re not their government. They need to go back to their country and peacefully protest for redress.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Well, that’s my I feel the same way, Dan. That’s how I look.
SPEAKER 10 :
How can you be in a place illegally and then protest?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the place and the reality is, if you and I, you know, three of us, you know, even Charlie, throw him into this. If the four of us went down to Mexico, Dan, and we wanted to protest something, how long do you think that last?
SPEAKER 11 :
We’d probably get arrested, and you would never hear of us again.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it wouldn’t last long.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, that’s true, not just in Mexico, but most other countries.
SPEAKER 05 :
A lot of other countries, absolutely. There’s but a few that that might fly in, but in reality, most would not.
SPEAKER 10 :
What if we went there illegally?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s a whole different ballgame, too.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, so we’re there illegally. I don’t care, you know, Slovenia, wherever. We’re there illegally, and we want to protest the place. You tell me where on earth that’s going to fly.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it didn’t fly over in Israel with Greta Thunberg.
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, they ought to—these people that want to support, quote-unquote, Palestine—
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, I kind of chuckled, but I just gave a great example of where you can’t do that. Greta Thunberg was trying to do the very thing we’re talking about and didn’t make it there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
I just gave an example.
SPEAKER 11 :
But what I’m saying is that the people that are supporting Palestine or want to support Palestine, go over there and live and support them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they wouldn’t.
SPEAKER 11 :
Take your money away. Yeah, and let’s see how long you last over there. No, they wouldn’t. Because they hate Americans.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they wouldn’t last. They wouldn’t last to your point, Dan.
SPEAKER 11 :
They want to kill us just because we’re Americans.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’re United States citizens. They hate us not as much as Israel, but we’re not too far behind.
SPEAKER 04 :
We are not far behind.
SPEAKER 11 :
The hatred that they have for us. That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re correct.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back.
SPEAKER 05 :
Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, wrapping things up for today. And there is some news that is coming out of the Colorado GOP today. The vice chair has resigned, and I don’t know both sides, and I’m always hesitant to really get into much of this until I hear both sides and what’s going on. But, yeah, the vice chair resigned. has resigned. There are, of course, all the Davidians that are calling this a win, and they’re just all a bunch of knuckleheads. I don’t know what else to say. They’re just total knuckleheads. Their fearless leader, by the way, got a job inside of the Trump administration. He’s the assistant director to the assistant director to the assistant director of I don’t know what. Sorry.
SPEAKER 10 :
Doing a job he has no qualifications for. That’s Dave Williams, and he’s good at that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And… And we knew that was coming. Andy and I had already talked about that on air, even.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, he got the endorsement for Trump in Colorado. Right. And, you know, Trump had praised him at the time for that. So I’m, you know… Whatever.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is what it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is what it is. I am sorry.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would not have done that, but I’m not Donald Trump. And by the way, Donald Trump didn’t make that decision. Some minion inside of his organization who he’s entrusted to make these decisions did. I don’t know who that was, but I can guarantee you this. It wasn’t Donald Trump himself.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, you shouldn’t bring a divisive, despicable type of person like that into your administration in any regard.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s toxic. I wouldn’t do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, he’s toxic. He’s pure toxicity. But on the same token. But you know what? It happens all the time.
SPEAKER 05 :
And he’ll end up with a cushy job that, quite frankly, who knows what he’ll even do or not do. And at the end of the day, it won’t make a hell of a bit of difference.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, he’s not going to make any difference.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is what it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
When bad people succeed, it doesn’t ruin my life. It happens every day. Why do the wicked prosper? Isn’t that what it says in the Bible? It wouldn’t say that if the wicked never prospered. You know what? I don’t worry about it. It’s fine. I do feel bad for the split that happened with the current Colorado GOP. I do too. It happened very quickly. All I know is this. Daryl, highly intelligent guy, seems like a good guy. Probably pretty intense. Britta seems like a terrific lady. I don’t know. You know, he’s alleging simply that she wasn’t letting him do enough of his job, I guess.
SPEAKER 05 :
And guys, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Who knows those dynamics? You always hear every, how many people leave a job or organization and have wonderful things to say?
SPEAKER 05 :
Very few.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. So there’s always going to be, and you got to hear both sides. Like you’re saying, until you do, you don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ve learned through the years as an employer that I usually take with a grain of salt most of what somebody says about their last job, last employer, last this, last that, last husband, last wife, whatever. I mean, I always take a little bit of that with a grain of salt because there’s usually some hurt feelings that are involved there. And I just don’t, I try to not read much into any of that, to be honest with you, just what I do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. I mean, if you were to believe what every ex-husband says about his ex-wife or vice versa. you would think there are a lot of people who are much worse than they are. I mean, these things, they get personal. It gets behind the scenes.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that’s where I try to not do much in that. I’ll just say I’m sorry to see it happen. Yeah, and I always take Charlie’s advice. You don’t talk much about these things until you know more about what’s actually happening and can dig into it. Now, one thing that I do know that has gotten pretty heated on social media. I was going to talk about this yesterday and get a chance to, so we’ve got just enough time, I think, Andy, we can squeeze this in. Yeah, she’s despicable. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, Riley Gaines is quite attractive.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s quite attractive, Andy. Very much a woman. She is very much a lady. She is not a man in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, Simone Biles is very attractive, too. I don’t understand.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s not now after saying this, to be honest with you. No.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, she isn’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, she did apologize today, Charlie? Well, it’s about time. Well, yeah, it’s only about five days too late.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it’s five days too late. Because she even said along the way, she said that, well, you lose a swim meet, and now you’re complaining about it. She lost to a man. Right. Swimming. A man who couldn’t compete with other guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And he wins in that. The way I would come back to somebody like Simone would be, so it’s okay if a man competes with you and you lose?
SPEAKER 10 :
Number one, Simone never had to compete against a guy. Number two, had she in gymnastics, that would have been totally different because a guy is not built in the way to do what a woman does in gymnastics. But in swimming, you’re just propelling yourself through water. It’s an obvious difference. It was ridiculous that she was able to come down and complain over Oh, she’s just getting away with it. And not consider the fact, hey, Simone, you never had to go through this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I can tell you this. This is my gut feeling as to why she’s apologized today. Whoever is in charge of her PR screwed up royally. Yep. Because the second she said anything along these lines, there should have been an immediate retraction, apology, and so on. Because I guarantee you that Simone has lost a lot of clout in the last five days to the point where this hurts your sponsorships, this hurts your endorsement deals, and so on. Because no company, Andy, wants to be involved in this end of things. No, no. Especially now.
SPEAKER 10 :
If she had come out right away and just basically said, you know what, heat of the moment argument, I went too far.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was wrong.
SPEAKER 10 :
I was wrong. Shouldn’t have said that. You know what companies would say? Okay. Well, we’ve all been there. That’ll blow over.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ll give you an example of that. This isn’t good. I’ll give you an example. I was watching a video the other day. Tiger Woods, when he got some of his initial deals, Nike and so on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
He had a little bit of a problem where he probably shouldn’t have been driving, but he was, and it made the press, and it blew up, and it was a big deal because he was probably a little pie-eyed and shouldn’t have been. But Nike and a few others actually stuck with him because they knew he was Tiger Woods. We’ll overlook this one time. We’ll continue on. Tiger apologized, you know, whole nine yards. And look at the relationship he and Nike had over all the years. Right. Point being, Tiger did the right thing, got things handled, had a great sponsor for literally his entire career. Simone, she just screwed up royally. She did. Big time. You don’t do those things without repercussions, and this is going to end up costing her when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 10 :
And she’s doing this to a woman who lost a gold medal because of a guy when she has not had to go through that. John, that’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 05 :
So dumb.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
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SPEAKER 05 :
And the post that Biles put out today is that she basically, I wanted to follow up from my last week’s tweet. I’ve always believed competitive equity, inclusivity are both essential in sport. The current system doesn’t adequately balance those important principles, which often leads to frustration and heated exchanges. And it didn’t help me show more, quote unquote. So she went on to apologize and, you know,
SPEAKER 10 :
Boy, she’s couching it a lot there at the beginning. Look, lady, you were heartless.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. You screwed up.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. You’ve got your gold medals, and you didn’t have to deal with this person. You didn’t have a guy take away your gold medals. She did, and you didn’t care.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. Not going to end well for her, by the way, when it’s all said and done. So that’s it for today, guys. Have a great evening. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
