Explore the dynamic dialogue between John Rush and Andy Pate as they discuss the value of entry-level jobs and the lessons they impart. The episode touches on modern welfare expectations versus the rewarding grind of early work experiences. With rich anecdotes and audience calls, they drive home the message that a strong work ethic is foundational to personal success and development.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 08 :
You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you’re scared. And you’re scared because if you try and fail, there’s only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
SPEAKER 11 :
With your host, John Rush.
SPEAKER 08 :
My advice to you is to do what your parents did.
SPEAKER 07 :
Get a job, sir. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
SPEAKER 02 :
Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life. That there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
SPEAKER 10 :
Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Question of the day yesterday, how much on December 12, 1980, did Leonardo da Vinci’s notebook sell for at auction?
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$5,126,000.
SPEAKER 05 :
So we kind of got into that a little bit yesterday with David Gonzalez from Mile High Coin because he appraises and does things in that arena on a routine basis. So we had a lot of fun with that. Today’s impossible question, how long can a sloth… Hold his or her breath for? How long can a sloth hold their breath for?
SPEAKER 12 :
Three days.
SPEAKER 05 :
That beats the heck out of me, by the way.
SPEAKER 12 :
I got no idea.
SPEAKER 05 :
The only thing I know about a sloth is from the one movie where they’re at the DMV.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
What was that movie called? The cartoon…
SPEAKER 12 :
Animal… It was hilarious.
SPEAKER 05 :
I forget. One of my favorite movies, actually. Really? It was a great movie. Oh, I loved it.
SPEAKER 12 :
It was a funny scene.
SPEAKER 05 :
It was hilarious, especially that scene. Just great. Zootopia. Zootopia, there we go. It was fun.
SPEAKER 12 :
Can you even tell if a sloth is holding its breath? I have no idea. Or dead?
SPEAKER 05 :
Don’t know them very well.
SPEAKER 12 :
What’s the difference?
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, Andy Pate with me, of course, today. And really quick, I want to touch on, you know, had a texter that texted in, you know, last hour, and maybe they sent it in the wrong way, and they’ve since apologized and said maybe I didn’t word that correctly. No, you didn’t, by the way, because you made it sound like, you know, myself and Andy just sit on top of an ivory tower in the air conditioning and don’t know what it’s like to really go out there in the heat and cold and all of that and actually work. And by the way, nothing could be farther from the truth.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, we can’t wait to get out of here and go to our latest soiree.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. No, I will just say that— We’re wearing tuxedos right now. We both, Charlie included, we have paid our dues over the years. Maybe you don’t know this. Maybe you’re a new listener, but I’ll give you a little background. I have been a blue-collar worker pretty much my entire life. I started working like Jordan, who talked earlier. I had a paper out when I was nine. Started working in our family car dealership when I was 12. I became a technician’s helper at age 14. Before that, I was just a lot kid that did everything from reason why I’ve never smoked, by the way, is because I did enough cigarette butt cleanup and cigarette smoke cleanup and so on from the inside of car windows. And I was 12, 13, 14 years of age that I never wanted to see another one. in my entire life it became a technician’s helper at age 14 and worked around the entire dealership throughout every summer christmas break spring break i’ve worked in the you know 20 below weather outside i’ve been working outside in the heat i’ve done things you name it all across that whole spectrum of things i also own a a property maintenance company meaning that we do outside maintenance so if it’s hot or cold or whatever you’re out doing things and yes i had now i will say i haven’t been out and helped my crews in the last couple of years but it’s only been to that point that i haven’t been out helping them do all sorts of different things and reality is yes i have pretty much done everything you could think of and no i never went to college i started working right out of high school I’ve been self-employed, known my own business since 1986, so I have been through the entire gamut, and I was telling Andy at the break that this time of the year, the heat of the summer back when I had my auto shops, I would even stagger our work days to help myself because I was in the shop along with uh my fellow you know technicians that were working at the time we would stagger and start at 4 35 in the morning when it was nice and cool still and try to work till you know three o’clock or so in the afternoon when it got super hot because the concrete buildings and such would heat up as the day went on and it would get hotter and hotter and hotter and so we would all go you know they i wouldn’t but they’d be able to get them home and out of the heat a little bit earlier so we would stagger things but Yeah, I know what it’s like to actually work a trade and work when it’s hot and greasy and sweaty and all of those things and go home at the end of the day dead beat and hop in the shower to try to rinse all of that stuff off, Andy, to where you can still sit down and have dinner with your family and then go start the next day all over again. And, yes, I’ve done that for a very, very, very long time.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, John, I mean, I wouldn’t even know where to begin with me. Obviously, as a kid, paperboy, right? Dishwasher, you know, janitor. Military.
SPEAKER 05 :
Military.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was a sergeant in the military, a painter, working in theaters. I was a projectionist and so forth. I’ve done a lot of things in or out of the sun. Whatever. I’ve been out in the sun. I’ve done things indoors. But I’ve worked my tail off my entire life. You know the job that actually turned my life around? What? Janitor. I was a night janitor, and this was when I was going to school up at UNC. And no, I’m afraid, oh, you know, my parents weren’t able to pay my way.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you had to do some work on your own.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, well, I got student loans, and I also had to work. This job, I actually, my work ethic wasn’t that great at the time, okay? I just couldn’t stay focused. And for some reason, they put me cleaning McKee Hall. It’s called McKee Hall up there at UNC. Okay. And I was a night janitor there. And for some reason, while I was doing it, something clicked. And I wanted every room, every wastebasket, everything to be perfect clean.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really?
SPEAKER 12 :
Toilets, the whole thing. I wanted everything, the whole building, to be perfect by the time I left every day. And since doing that, I am that way everywhere I go. I’m a workaholic. When I was in the military, I did a lot of auditing and accounting when I was in the military. And they would put me over these funds, these bookkeeping over these funds, and I would turn them completely around. And just work long hours, late nights. I couldn’t stop. I’ve been a workaholic ever since that job. And before that job, I wasn’t. It changed my life.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow. That’s a good story, Andy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and the reason I bring this up, John, is because I believe that young people need that job.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree with you.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I’m not saying it’s that job. A job. It could be working a counter at Taco Bell. It could be working at a theater. You know, where you got your times, your down times. Then you got your times on a Friday night when you’re running your tail off and you’re sweating. And it’s like you need that to find out, man, this is what it’s like to be needed. This is what it’s like to produce, perform, and also to do it under pressure. And be rewarded when it’s all said and done. And be rewarded when it’s said and done. There’s nothing like it, John. There’s nothing like what it makes you feel. We don’t do that well enough, Andy. No, today we baby kids way too much, make sure that they can just get more and more student loans, and then we say it’s terrible that they have to pay them back. Meanwhile, we say, and any of those hard jobs will have immigrants do it. And you listen to these people on the left, they literally come out and say, you saw the one where it said, if we don’t have these immigrants, we won’t have anyone to wipe our backsides. If I can use, you know, not the right vernacular. It’s ridiculous. We are looking at them as slave labor, so we don’t have to do it. Okay? And meanwhile, we’re paying Americans to get fat at home.
SPEAKER 17 :
You are correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
And do nothing and sit on their backsides. And we’re paying them. We’re giving them food stamps. We’re giving them welfare. And now people are throwing a fit because the Congress wants to have work requirements. And these work requirements are only 20 hours a week, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, or like I said, one of the other changes that I believe is in – I’d have to read it, but I believe is in this bill to where you take, for example, in Colorado, you can actually work a job. As a couple, make up to $75,000 a year. Right. Right. Right. You’ve got to be kidding me, John. That can’t be happening. Folks, it’s real. Yes, in fact, it does happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
It can’t be happening, John. It’s everywhere. If we look out this window right now, I guarantee you there are 20,000, 30,000 people right in the span of this window who are doing just that.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back and appreciate y’all listening to us today. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, myself, Andy Pate. John, go ahead, sir. What’s up?
SPEAKER 09 :
So you never worked a hard job in your life?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think the message maybe didn’t come through quite as was intended, and that particular person, we’ve had a good conversation back and forth, and I’m not sure that that was the way that was meant to be. But, yeah, I think anybody that’s listening to me for any length of time would know otherwise.
SPEAKER 09 :
So you made me laugh when you were talking about every kid should have a crappy big job for crummy money while in high school to let them realize they don’t want to. One of my worst jobs, I worked in a butcher shop. And I had to clean everything. Like on Saturday, we had to pull all the meat out of the meat cases to put it away. And then I had to lay in there. with hot water and soap and scrub all the blood and everything out of it. Yeah, that’d be nasty.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, my dad did that before he got his degree in education.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m surprised you’re not a vegetarian.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. That was the only good thing is I used to have to… Charlie was saying he used to do it at Arby’s, but I used to have to clean the deli slicer machine.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that was dangerous. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Those things will take off a finger.
SPEAKER 09 :
In a minute. Yeah. But… one of the perks was you know Lunchtime, go make yourself a sandwich.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, okay. By the way, John, some of what you’re even talking about there is some of the good things that comes out of having certain jobs and understanding what some of those perks of certain jobs are. And it’s something, again, as Andy was talking about with Jordan, it’s one of those things that we’re just not teaching young people, period. We’re not teaching them the hard work ethic. And to your point, we’re not even teaching them with certain jobs. There are certain perks that make that job a pretty decent job at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I made $2 an hour plus tips because this was an old school butcher shop in the neighborhood I grew up with in Bay Ridge. And they would do deliveries. People would call in an order, whatever, a half pound of ham, whatever. And I would deliver it. It had a bicycle with a big old basket on the front. Remember those?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
The store owned that. The store owned that. And I would deliver the orders and Maybe it’d be a $10 order and they’d give you a dollar tip or something. So you made a few dollars extra in tips.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
It wasn’t a bad job, but cleaning those meat cases on Saturday were brutal.
SPEAKER 05 :
I can imagine.
SPEAKER 09 :
That was brutal.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
That was the brutal part of Saturday afternoon when they’d say, all right, time to clean the cases, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
My worst one, and typically did this, it was usually done on, I don’t know why, but it was always done on Friday nights. And I can remember being 12, 13 years of age. And in our dealership, we had the, you know, This way in a lot of shops today, the drain for all of the shop ran down the middle of the shop, and there was an end to it to where a lot of the stuff that would get collected would go down to the end, and you’d have to clean that periodically. And I will say that, no, back then we didn’t have a lot of the practices in the industry that we have today. In other words, you washed a lot of things down the drain back then, John, that you just don’t do today. It’s not allowed. We’ve changed the rules and so on. But the reality is back then in the 70s, you pretty much put everything down the drain. And I will tell you that in turn, that drain over time, and this is not a joke, that drain over time, the sludge that would get in, it was about a six to eight inch deep trench that had the steel grates that went across the top of it. It would get so full at the end that it would start to come up above the sludge would start to come up above the.
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Great.
SPEAKER 05 :
So one of those jobs as a young kid was you had to go get the wheelbarrow and you had to shovel all of that out into the wheelbarrow. And it was about, I don’t know, 50 foot long or so. And you’d have to go out and actually clean that with a square shovel, go take it to the dumpster, fill it up, take it to the dumpster. And it was one of those things you did. And the stench that, of course, comes out of cleaning that was absolutely disgusting. But it’s one of those things as a kid you learn. I didn’t have a choice. It was part of what I had to do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. Well, I laughed, but I shouldn’t laugh. We had a guy, and we told everybody when we were coming back from Desert Storm, we were doing vehicle maintenance, so when we put the tracks on the boat, we wouldn’t have to do a bunch of work when we got back to Fort Riley. But we used to get up at, like you were saying, 4, 35 o’clock in the morning, go out and work until about 10, and then it was so hot in the desert, we had to come out of it People were dropping down. So we would just lay in our tents perfectly still, and you would still sweat like a bandit. Oh, yeah. Until about 4, 430 when the sun started, you know, it started to cool off a little bit. Right, right. And then we’d work until 7, 8 o’clock at night to get all work done. But I must have told these guys like 20 times, make sure you close your toolbox when you’re not getting tools out of it. And this guy didn’t do it. and he um the company that made the tools for the army was eastco i think they also made craftsman tools for a while okay basco i i don’t know if you know this was in the 80s okay he reached into his toolbox to grab his ratchet with no gloves on and it was in the sun a chrome rack he has a Guess what he has a permanent on the palm of his hand? Eastco in third-degree burn.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m sure. And you are correct. I just looked them up. It was an American manufacturer of hand tools, best known for being the main supplier for Craftsman brand of tools. You are correct on that. And they went defunct in 1990. They lasted almost 89 years, 1901 to 1990.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and that’s what the Army used to buy, but they would buy it in bulk from the manufacturer directly.
SPEAKER 05 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
So that’s what we had. We all had Eastco tools. But you could tell because it looked just like a Craftsman ratchet.
SPEAKER 05 :
Interesting. You know what I mean? Yeah. I’ve only known the Craftsman brand, so that’s all I knew.
SPEAKER 09 :
But, yeah, doing dangerous work. I mean, we used to talk to these guys all the time about doing stupid stuff like that, reaching in your toolbox and grabbing a wrench. A chrome wrench that’s been sitting in a 100-degree sun for three hours.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’ll melt your hand, as it did.
SPEAKER 09 :
As it did. It gave the guy third-degree burn and permanent scarring on his head. But jobs like that, I think, like my son-in-law was an F-18 mechanic, and he said, you want to feel miserable, be on the flight deck during flight operations when you’re in the Persian Gulf. And it’s about 115 degrees outside. And you do a flight out. He said that was the worst time he ever had when he was doing that. And he was on a nice carrier. He was on the Reagan when it was brand new. He was part of the original crew for it. He said the air conditioning, everything worked, but it was still, you got out on the flight deck and it was insane.
SPEAKER 12 :
I remember in basic training down in San Antonio, and they had us in full pack, full gear, and you are running. Okay? You are out running on the tarmac in the sun in full gear. All right. Oh, yeah. You know, I look at young people today, and they’re just like, you know, they can’t make it through, I don’t know, anything. And it’s not like they’re weak. They’re not weak. The people over them are trying to make them weak. These kids are as tough as we could ever be, but we won’t let them be.
SPEAKER 09 :
I knew a girl that I used to work with here, and she’s probably, I’m 60, I’ll be 64. She’s probably 10, 12 years younger than me. But she had some TA’s kids. They said, there’s lots of jobs out there. You’re going to have them get a job. Oh, no, they can’t work. They need to just go to school.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ve heard parents say that, and they are dead wrong, by the way.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, because the work and having their own money in their pocket builds more character.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Any of you that are listening parent-wise where that is your philosophy, I will just tell you straight up, that is a huge mistake that you are making. And if you’re thinking that your kids are going to somehow get ahead because of that mentality, you are sorely mistaken.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let me tell you something. When I was working up in the casinos, we would have kids coming out of the colleges with their degrees, and we’d have people with no degrees. Which ones do you think did a better job, John?
SPEAKER 05 :
The ones with no degrees. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
The ones with no degrees, first of all, wanted it more. And secondly, and here’s the big thing, the ones with the degree were constantly begging for a raise, begging for a raise. Why? They had loans. Right. Okay. The worst thing in the world to hire was somebody with a college degree, which I hate to say because I have one.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s why I’m so proud of my daughter. She realized she wasn’t going to get in student debt and went in the Navy right out of high school. She retired from the Navy with a master’s degree that the Navy paid for. So, you know, it can be done. And now if she wants to go back to school as a retiree, she’s got her VA GI Bill. Because the Navy paid her student costs, not, you know, if you go, I’m sure your son that was in the Marines, if you go to school on active duty, they pay for it. That’s right. You might have to buy a book or something, but other than that, you know, that’s why I tell any kid, if you don’t know what you want to do, go do three years in the military. I don’t care what branch. You can even join the Air Force if you want. Good one, John. Good one. You know, hey, John, you knew when he brought up his Air Force service.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re going to get a dig in. I know. I know. Good one, John.
SPEAKER 09 :
If you want to just give up on life, go to the Air Force.
SPEAKER 05 :
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Bob and Thornton, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, John, this is really something. John from Cheyenne, I listen to you. between he and Jersey Joe that make this show. Thank you. Anyway, the place that made the hand tools, and their biggest customer was Sears Craftsman, and it was called J.H. Williams, and it was on Kenmore and Vulcan Street in Tonawanda, New York. And across the street, I worked after I got out of high school, at Western Electric, which was owned by AT&T, and we made cable and wire across the street. Now, J.H. Williams, their union was the United Steelworkers, and they went on strike, and we used to watch them over there picketing. And they picketed, John, for two years around those 55-gallon drums full of wood, burning them, and they picketed and picketed. And J.H. Williams came and moved everything out of that factory, put it on railroad cars, and moved out and never went back. And J.H. Williams became Snap-On. I did not know that. The other history that I have is I went to basic training when I got drafted. It’s Fort Bragg, and they changed that a few months ago. Well, no, almost a year ago to Fort Liberty. And since Trump came back, he changed the name back to Fort Bragg. So I don’t know if John from Cheyenne, was he Army?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I believe so.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or maybe Navy. I think Army, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and your sidekick there, what’s his name? He said something about Texas and the Army, and that was my next duty station was San Antonio at Fort Sam Houston. So anyway, that’s my history.
SPEAKER 05 :
And just because I knew a little bit about Snap-on’s history, I thought, Bob, they started in like the 20s. Am I wrong in my thought process? Was it later than that? Oh, 1920s, yeah, J.H.
SPEAKER 10 :
Williams. And also, I think I’ve told you over the years, my dad worked for a place called Dunlop Tire in Tonawanda, New York, and they were a British company and they started back in the 1920s and my dad worked there for 43 years, raised a family of five kids. and Sumitomo finally ended up with, they went to Bridgestone, then Goodyear, then Sumitomo, and about four months ago they closed the place up, 1,500 people out of work.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, and again, just because it’s Snap-on and I own a lot of their stuff and have been a fan of theirs for years, and what I’m reading is it was founded in Milwaukee in 1920 by Joseph Johnson and William Seidman. Is that not correct, or what’s your recollection, Bob?
SPEAKER 10 :
The factory across the street from where I worked, their name was J.H. Williams. And they eventually, after they packed up and moved out of Tonawanda, New York, as a lot of industry did, the remnants of J.H. Williams was melded into Snap-on.
SPEAKER 05 :
I see.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, that makes sense. J.H. Williams.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER 10 :
90% of their customers were Snap-on. Sears Craftsman.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER 10 :
Anyway. Oh, good story.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, Bob, thanks for the history lesson. I appreciate that very much. And I didn’t put this in today’s notes that we would go down this, you know, memory, if you would, Andy, of – well, a lot of this came out of Jordan Goodman last hour. And, again, I always get comments from a lot of you that either love or hate Jordan. I get that. And, you know, Jordan is definitely – Not always on our side, although I will tell you this. For any of you that maybe listened of late and haven’t listened since I’ve had Jordan on from the early days, Jordan has come a long way and has really come around to a lot of our way of thinking on a lot of different things, by the way, including where he lives. Yeah. Am I right, Andy?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, that’s very true, actually.
SPEAKER 05 :
Literally, even where he lives, because he used to live in New York, in Manhattan.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, but those taxes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, he since has moved to North Carolina.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
yeah go figure yeah so he he has actually we have rubbed off on him uh quite a lot over the years and how about like an oil and gas boy has he come along a lot from what it used to be it used to be just save the planet that’s right and we again we’ve had a lot of good conversations but this conversation came out of just talking about you know our you know the immigration end of things what’s happening in la of course which Jordan feels like that will spread across the country. I don’t think it will. There is a movement called No Kings Day. I think there’s actually going to be a gathering today at the Capitol. I would venture to guess it won’t be very large. I could be wrong in that, but I don’t think it will be. They’re trying to get as many of the folks on the left to come out, and No Kings Day is basically a march, if you would, quote-unquote, or a protest against Donald Trump because they think he’s a king, which I guess they don’t really know, Andy, what a king is.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think they really have no clue.
SPEAKER 12 :
Kings generally do not cut regulations, shrink the size of government.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, it’s not really their thing, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, usually it’s the opposite. Yeah. They grow government. They want to rule over you and so on.
SPEAKER 12 :
By the way, kings make a lot of money being king. Have you noticed Trump doesn’t?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s the opposite, Andy.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s the only president of our lifetime who got poorer being president.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, these folks that believe he’s the king are – I’ll just say it. You guys are – those of you that are on that side of the aisle, you have a screw loose because you’re not looking at things rationally. You’re not really understanding the basis of what’s going on. It’s much like, again, immigrants that have come here – and I want to say this because I was going to say this yesterday and get a chance to, but I want to say this because I think it’s appropriate to say it. No, I think. Yeah. They are destroying things at the same time. These are not hardworking immigrants that have come to this country where you look at a lot of the people that are trying to, quote, unquote, defend these people. Those are not the people. And I can say this. I know that by saying this. I’ve watched several videos of late. whereby some people have actually, some immigrants, legal, illegal, most of them legal, by the way, have gone down to some of these protests, some of these marches, some of the ones going on in L.A., and have been beat up themselves. And so then they come back and say, wait a minute, this is not, for all of you that are out there watching, this is not what these people are saying it is. This is way different than what you’re being led to believe. Don’t be misled by the narrative of the mainstream media right now.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I would agree with that. I think there’s a real kind of a blending. I think you’ve got the paid activists, and they’re the instigators. They’re the ones that you see.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re the ones standing on top of the cars with the Mexican flag and the cars burning to the ground. A lot of them are.
SPEAKER 12 :
You see them in the group. Well, you do find some dumb teenagers who will follow your idiotic lead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely, Andy.
SPEAKER 12 :
But I think it’s kind of a mix of those, the people who are paid, and also the thugs. OK, the criminals, let’s face it, we can’t forget when Biden let every let the entire world in. A lot of these countries emptied their jails and sent them here. Wouldn’t you? I would. You know, if somebody is stupid, stupid enough to take on everybody you’ll send, the first thing you’re going to do is empty your jails. Well, I think you’ve got a lot of the violent criminals who are out there on those streets. I think you’ve got a lot of the paid criminals. A lot of them, by the way. Oh, heck yeah, a lot of them.
SPEAKER 05 :
There’s tens of thousands of those out there, by the way, folks.
SPEAKER 12 :
Do you not think George Soros is paying huge money to do this? I mean, George Soros wants one thing, the destruction of America.
SPEAKER 05 :
I read this today. I have not verified this, so this is me just talking. I need to verify this, but there are some claims, and… I wouldn’t be shocked if this weren’t the case, but there are some organizations that are not-for-profit organizations that are being funded through the government because of who they are, and that money is being channeled to the very things that we are talking about. I’ve got to prove that, but that would not shock me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah, word is that’s happening directly in California.
SPEAKER 05 :
Would not shock me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, look, this is insane. Are your tax dollars helping fund this? Yes, they are. And I think it’s absolutely sick. And I think Donald Trump is doing the right thing. There’s only one way I disagree with Donald Trump on all this, how he’s handling it. I would double the number of troops he is sending. I think we need overwhelming force. I think these things need to be absolutely crushed. And any, anyone… who is going to in any way, shape, or form throw a rock or do anything with a federal employee or a military member needs to be put in prison. They were showing film of a guy who was throwing rocks at cars as they went by one of the protesters. Oh, didn’t we just have somebody killed? By doing that here in Colorado, throwing bricks, rocks off of a bridge, and that guy’s going to serve life, okay? And his buddies are going to serve decades. Well, these guys are throwing rocks, John, and nothing’s happening to them. Then they walk away. They’re fine. No, they are. That is attempted murder. I believe that we need to have a lot. This is why I want the big, beautiful bill to go through. There are a lot of reasons, but the two biggest reasons are seal the border and dramatically increase. are agencies that deal with this kind of thing. We need more manpower, a lot more manpower, because the only thing that these leftists respond to is overwhelming force. What do you think?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I agree. And I was thinking the very same thing when I was watching the video of this particular gentleman. And I believed he was a gentleman. You could tell by his stature and how he had a motorcycle helmet on, so it wasn’t hard to tell if it was actually a male or a female. But it turned out it is, in fact, male. a male and as i was watching him throw fairly large size rocks at the vehicles that were passing by i’m thinking to myself first of all the first thought i had was um and some of you may not like me saying this but i can tell you this right now had that been me driving and i know they can’t do this but had that been me driving andy and the first rock hit the windshield of the car i was in the tahoe that i was in i would have slammed on the brakes and that guy would have a bullet in his head Yeah. End of story. You tried to kill me. That’s right. End of story. Done deal.
SPEAKER 12 :
By the way, some of those vehicles, it’s probably not the same guy. There are a lot of film out there, but there’s a lot of film out there. But one guy was throwing at ICE vehicles.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. That’s the one I saw. That’s the one I was watching.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Well, why didn’t they pull over and get him?
SPEAKER 05 :
Again, Andy, that guy would have had a bullet in the head.
SPEAKER 12 :
He would have been done. We’re in a hurry to get over. No, no. You take a break. You go get this guy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. That guy would have been done. He is trying.
SPEAKER 12 :
This is, he is trying to murder you.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. He’s trying to kill you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. To me, that is an imminent threat worthy of, you know, at that point in time, defense. And that’s where that guy wouldn’t be alive today.
SPEAKER 12 :
I want that guy spending years in prison.
SPEAKER 05 :
Again, if I had been the driver and I know that this is, I’m not in its eyes and there’s rules and so on. But at that point in time, your life is in imminent danger.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I’m totally with you. That’s what I’m saying. If he is still providing, you know, if he is still fighting you. The fact is, if he is doing that, he is dangerous to you as the law enforcement officer, but he’s also dangerous to anybody else. If he’ll do it to you, he’ll do it to them. This guy’s got to be taken out.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. That was my first thought. I’m like, why are you letting him do this?
SPEAKER 12 :
Having this guy shot center mass by one of these agents would be just fine with me. He wants to kill people. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s trying to kill the agents. Yeah. Exactly what he’s doing.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Then you should die.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
And we are back. Myself, Andy Pate. Jim and Lakewood, you’re next, sir. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hey there. Hey, Jim. Hi, how’s it going?
SPEAKER 05 :
Good.
SPEAKER 19 :
So I’m sitting in rush hour traffic right now just using a headset, so I hope that you can hear me all right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re good.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, you’re good. Cool. So what you guys were just talking about with these protests in Los Angeles and elsewhere… And the need to use force, I do feel like I’ve got to bring up the question of the slippery slope towards our constitutional right to assemble and… Peacefully.
SPEAKER 05 :
Peacefully. Keep in mind the Constitution, it gives you the right, and I will always protect that right for anybody to peacefully assemble, protest… and do whatever you need to do along those lines. But when it starts to defacing property, burning down cars, throwing rocks at ICE agents as they’re driving by, and by the way, Jim, not just one, but probably 10 or 15 of those vehicles driving by and smashing windshields, at some point you’ve got to draw the line.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and also, if you are impeding federal officers from doing their job.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s another conversation all on its own.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. You’ve got to be arrested, and then if you resist arrest, it can get violent. Guess what? That’s on you.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Jim, I get what you’re saying, and I fully agree with you. I do not want to see government get involved and shut down protests, especially when they’re being done peacefully. Keep in mind, though, that we’ve had a continual narrative coming out of the left talking about J6. Now, I’m not I wasn’t there. I wouldn’t have done what a lot of the folks did at J6. I’m not against any of the folks that did enter the Capitol. But I can tell you this, Jim, when you look at the images of what was going on that day versus the images of what’s going on in L.A. right now, tell me there’s not a distinct difference between the two.
SPEAKER 19 :
I can see what you’re saying. Definitely. I also do just look at the situation as a whole. And I think that we do have documented instances of above ice rounding up people who were lawful green card citizens who were like just family members or maybe people children who were born here and they’re rounding people up in a way that feels like they are not given due process. And it all just feels, again, to me, like a slippery slope towards something that we don’t want to be as a country.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and remember, I don’t have every set of circumstances that you’re talking about. And by the way, neither do you, because all we’re able to see is what a lot of the media reports on. What I do know is that a lot of those particular circumstances that you’re referring to, and I’ve got concerns over as well, where you’ve got, you know, Collateral damage, I guess you could say. So you’ve got known cartel members, for example, that we’re now rounding up. And, yeah, that may include some women and children of said cartel members. And personally, Jim, if that is the situation and that’s a collateral damage, then I’m okay with that because that’s a whole different set of circumstances. I do feel one of the things that I don’t think our side does well enough, and Bob Duca and I talk about this on the National Crawford Roundtable on a weekly basis, so do Andy and I, we don’t communicate well. some of these things well enough and we should be doing a better job of explaining if in fact we have one of those roundups you’re referring to exactly what happened and what that collateral damage was we should explain that better so everybody’s got more ease when it comes to them.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh I wholeheartedly agree because I think that that’s really easy to get caught in a bad narrative especially for Trump or people who are agreeing with Trump about things. If this type of collateral damage Let’s say it’s happening to you and your family. You’re here lawfully. You weren’t committing a crime. You just got rounded up in a sense, and you got brought away without due process. I mean, can you just imagine that for a moment? If you’re a lawful citizen, this is not the country that we want. This is not the type of law and order that should be enacted. And if you’re not conveying that message clearly… I can see how a lot on the left are going to gain ground by saying that you guys are crazy and you guys are allowing this kind of awful thing to happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, Jim, no, no. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. OK, first of all, rounding up. What does that mean? Doesn’t that just mean rounding up a group and then checking them all to see who is a citizen, who is not, who is a green card, who does not? And we have to keep in mind also who really caused all this. It wasn’t Donald Trump. This was caused by Joe Biden. We’re looking at severe numbers here. We added probably about 15 million illegal immigrants in four years. Okay, at least 10. We were overwhelmed. This was a full invasion of our country. And yet we’re looking at ICE now and saying, you have to be perfectly targeted and dot every I, cross every T, do due process, give a trial and all this kind of stuff to every single one that you remove when they came in in waves. Okay, there is no… that you can remove a meaningful amount of those, of that invasion, and do it with that perfect amount and absolutely no consequences anywhere else. I think that ICE and Tom Holman, I think that they are being as careful as they can. But if you have to round up a group and then check everybody in the group, I don’t think that’s such a bad thing because you simply happen to know that at this event, there are a number of the people that you want to get in that event.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and my only comment I’m going to add to what Andy’s saying, Jim, is the only thing I’m going to counter is I do think that we could do a better job, and we always can. Communication is always key. Andy’s a communicator and teaches on it. If there’s one thing that we as a party – and as a group of individuals could do a better job of is communicating to all, this is exactly what we’re doing, how we’re doing it, and we’re doing the very best we can to make sure there is no collateral damage. But given the numbers, to Andy’s point, given the fact there’s 15, 20, in some cases 30 million individuals that have come here illegally, there is going to be some collateral damage, and we’re going to do our very best to make sure there’s not as much as, you know, we’re going to make sure we minimize that as much as possible is what I mean to say.
SPEAKER 19 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I do think, Jim, we don’t do that well enough.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. Yeah. I mean, I just – so I agree with you guys on a lot of stuff, and I will say that I have people in my life who I guess I would associate with the left, and sometimes they have these points, and I look into the points and I see what they’re saying. Because in this case, like, for instance, there’s people who – There’s people that ICE has targeted specifically who are at their court hearings to become citizens of the United States. They took steps four years, five years plus to become lawful citizens of the United States. ICE is going to these courthouses and rounding them up to deport them on the day of their hearing. It’s like that where I haven’t heard that. I’ve got to look at it. And I just got to say, this is… Jim, you got to be careful, though.
SPEAKER 12 :
You got to be careful because your friends are also hearing this from some incredibly biased sources that may not be totally accurate.
SPEAKER 05 :
And what I will say, Jim, you hear me talk about this on our side of the aisle continually to where, hey, you guys that are repeating things and see things on the Internet and continue to send it along, make sure you’re checking… Checking your sources that it’s all verifiable and true. Because, Jim, I’m with Andy on this one. I read a lot on a daily basis from both sides, by the way. I read the left and I read the right. What you just said, I have not read yet.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, OK. And that’s why, you know, in this forum that we’re just talking over the phone right now, I can’t send you any link. But I would say that I try and do my best due diligence as well. And these these instances from my interpretation have definitely occurred. We do have evidence of it. We have journalists who have documented it. We have names.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but once again, Jim, those journalists, they’ve documented it. There can be an awful lot that goes into that, okay? There can be a lot of, shall we say, spin. I don’t know. I’m not saying everybody on our side is pure sinless and Jesus and never does anything wrong. I’m not saying that. What I’m saying is the other side, which, by the way, I come from. I come from the left. They lie to such a staggering degree. And use the media to such a staggering degree to do that, that you’ve got to take it with a real grain of salt. Just like John was saying, we do it on our side. We tell people, don’t buy into everything you see on the Internet.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Jim, if you would, please. I just did an Internet search. Couldn’t find anything right off the top. And believe me, if that were as big of a thing as what you just said it is, believe me, every news organization would be carrying that. So if you would send me some links, I would really appreciate that. I’ll let you go, Jim. I appreciate you very much. Dave and Thornton, hang tight. I’ll do my best to squeeze you in here before we have to end this hour. If not, I’ve got a full another hour coming your way where we don’t have any guests at all. So, Dave, if I don’t get back to you, hang tight, and we’ll get you over there at the very top of the 5 o’clock hour. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning coming up next. If you’ve got any problems at all when it comes to your AC unit, please give Cub Creek a call. Find them at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 05 :
All right, we are back. And again, Jim, if you’re still listening, yes, please send me some links, because even during that small break, I did a Google search. This is exactly how I typed it in. Is ICE rounding up immigrants on the day they’re becoming citizens? And I don’t get a single story on that. Now, what I do know, and Jim, this may be what you’re referring to and what some of your friends are referring to, there are instances where an illegal immigrant is going in for their first hearing, quote-unquote, And some, depending upon what they’ve done, what their history is, their background and so on. Yes, some of those are getting picked up on the day of their first hearing. That’s a whole different scenario than somebody that’s gone through all of the steps to become a citizen and then potentially getting arrested that day. I’ve not seen that at all. And for those of you listening, you always go to the website RushToReason.com and reach out to me there or send me an email directly. John at RushTo, it’s T-O, RushToReason.com. Dave and Thornton will be with us here at the top of the hour. Don’t go anywhere. Hour three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy
