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On today’s episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush is joined by Dr. Kelly Victory for a fearless exposé on the pharmaceutical industry’s grip on media, public health, and government. From the bipartisan push to end direct-to-consumer drug ads to RFK Jr.’s bold overhaul of the vaccine advisory panel, they cover the cracks in modern medicine and the price of corrupted science. Dr. Kelly sheds light on the weaponization of fear during COVID, the manipulation of data, and the disturbing legacy of Big Tobacco’s shift to the food industry. It’s a must-hear for anyone who values medical freedom, informed
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And welcome, Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate y’all joining us and Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today. Steve House normally with us, but he is stuck on a plane. But Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, I’m doing great. Thanks for having me, as always.
SPEAKER 03 :
Always a joy. Lots going on. And this came out just a little bit ago. I don’t think we’ve even had a chance to talk about this. I didn’t send anything to you guys. But for once, Bernie Sanders and I, and probably you, I know you, will agree on this particular topic. They are co-sponsoring, and he is co-sponsoring, a bill that would prohibit consumer drug ads echoing calls by RFK Jr. during his presidential campaign. There’s not too many times, Dr. Kelly, that I agree with Bernie Sanders, but this is one of them.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you. This is a really, really important piece of legislation, and I hope that it gets passed. I have my doubts because of the power of the pharmaceutical lobby.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and really quick, two things. What you’re saying there, and then, again, not trying to downplay the topic because you know me, I would never do that, but I just, and maybe I’m wrong, Dr. Kelly, I want to get your opinion. If there were a different sponsor of this bill besides Bernie, I’m sorry to say that, but if there was a more, you know, if this was Rand Paul, for example, starting this versus Bernie, do you think it would have any better chance of having legs?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t. I think this is going to get bipartisan support. I really do. I think that what it would mean, just to be clear for the listeners, is that right now the United States is one of two countries in the entire world, the other being New Zealand. That allows pharmaceutical companies to advertise direct to the consumer on television, which is why every other television commercial you see is for some random drug, for some random medical problem that four people actually have. And the reason this is a bad practice is because these drug companies are not trying to sell another dose of Ozempic or Keytruda. What they’re trying to do is control the media because it’s the advertising dollars that allow them to manipulate and control what the media covers and what they don’t. So if you wondered, for example, why there was so little media coverage about the disastrous impact of the COVID shots, it’s because the media are told, if you cover that, if you start reporting on that, we will pull our advertising dollars from your network. So the reason this is a big deal is because allowing pharmaceutical advertising on television means that you have a dishonest, corrupt, and largely bought media. So it needs to happen. I think that there will be bipartisan support. The issue, to get full circle, is that the pharmaceutical lobby supports politicians on both sides of the aisle. There are very few congresspeople or senators who don’t take in tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to their campaigns every year from the pharmaceutical lobby. And they’re not going to do anything to tick them off.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so I’m going to be devil’s advocate here for a moment. I agree with everything, and you know my position on this, and I think we should stop. Although, I didn’t know this, and I don’t know that you and I and Steve have ever talked about this before, but I learned something the other day. I don’t know. I was watching something, video, and a video popped up, and I got to watching it. I’m like, holy cow, I’ve got to do a little more investigation on this and see if this really is true, and it turns out it is. Back in the day, Big Tobacco, where they were getting red flags at Dr. Kelly, they were going to start doing some of the same things we’re talking about doing with drug companies. Pulling ads, no direct to the consumer, no more cigarette machines, and so on. And Big Tobacco got this inside information, I guess you could say, that these things were coming. And even before all of that legislation came and they had to pull out of a lot of things, including car racing and so on, they went out and injected themselves and bought a lot of companies on the big food end of things, therefore purchasing food companies like Kraft, General Foods, Nabisco, and others. And really what they did, Dr. Kelly, is they just shifted what they were doing on the tobacco side and the addiction there, moved it to the food side, got government to even change the food pyramid around, and at the end of the day… I guess my question is, are we better off today versus just letting them have, you know, advertised tobacco back in the day versus where we’re at now with the food side? And if we do this to the drug companies, you know, what’s our alternative? And we’ll look very similar to the tobacco companies.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s no way to say what the fallout will be with that regard, I think, John. I think ultimately we would get a lot of – positive benefit out of having a less bought media. We have the most dishonest media in the world. We’re right up there with North Korea and China. Years ago, Roger Ailes, the said he wanted to get rid of pharmaceutical advertising on Fox News, but they represented more than 70% of the advertising dollars. He said, we can’t afford to get rid of it. There’s 70% of our revenue comes from pharmaceutical companies. So what will the fallout be? I can’t say. I mean, clearly, they have for many, many decades manipulated the, quote, scientific data. We know that, for example… The sugar industry paid off back in the 60s, paid off researchers at Harvard University to say that it was fat and cholesterol that caused heart disease rather than sugar.
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And this is a fact.
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No, that’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, that goes along with… That’s right.
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No, some of what I was just referring to is exactly what happened. And, you know, a lot of people at that time thought, oh, gosh, we’re now going to get rid of these tobacco ads. You know, we’re going to be in that much better shape health-wise as a country. Actually, Dr. Kelly, and tobacco’s bad. Don’t get me wrong. It’s one of the most addictive things, if not the most addictive drug, nicotine, on the planet. I will never deny that. On the same token, though… as a country today, would we have been better off just letting them run their ads and left it alone? And, again, I’m just being devil’s advocate. I don’t know, like you said, we don’t know the outcome of these things. Nobody knew the outcome back then as to what would happen. But when you look at the food sides of things and where we’re at in regards to diabetes and all these other things that we talk about and obesity and kids and on and on we go, are we better off?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, we know that eliminating tobacco advertising – on television significantly decreased the number of smokers absolutely young absolutely no question no question so it had a positive impact that way and i think what needs to happen is these things can’t happen in isolation john we need to get rid of you know just like we got rid of tobacco advertising we need to get rid of pharmaceutical advertising but at the same time bring back integrity to the sciences and to research, which is something that Bobby Kennedy is working on. He has said that the NIH will no longer publish any of their studies in the big medical journals, the Lancet, BMJ, JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, none of those because they are corrupt. They are owned by the pharmaceutical industry, and he has said that the NIH is going to start its own research scientifically oversight, scientific oversight, peer-reviewed journal that is not owned by Big Pharma. We need to eliminate the pharmaceutical involvement in medical schools. Medical schools are largely bought by big pharma, and they control the medical, quote, education, which is why doctors are routinely taught only, you know, certain things about certain drugs and vaccines, and they don’t actually learn the real science. So I think these things can’t happen in isolation. It has to happen along with all of the different things that can be done to bring integrity back to medical science.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that’s evidently something that we missed in the 80s when all these big tobacco companies went out and bought a lot of the big food companies. And for all those of you listening, this is very well known. I don’t know how I missed this, Dr. Kelly. I guess it’s just something we don’t discuss. a lot because of how long ago it was, but the reason why we’ve got a lot of the food addictions that we have today is because the tobacco companies at that time, as you know, Dr. Kelly, had scientists that were very keen on what makes people addicted. And all they did was take that same thing they were doing on the tobacco side and moved it over to the food side. To your point, not having enough enough backbone in the scientific community to say, wait a minute, guys, you’re flat out… And I assume, Dr. Kelly, there were probably a few outliers back then like yourself and I that were crying bloody murder that this isn’t going the direction that it should. You guys are letting these guys get away with things, and most people probably turned a blind eye, so… I agree with you. As long as we can keep that integrity in things and not letting the pharmaceutical companies, which, as you know, are huge. I mean, they have so much stinking money, Dr. Kelly. They could literally go out and pretty much take over any other type of industry they wanted to. We’ve got to have enough integrity to not allow them to do what the tobacco companies did. That’s my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. And I hate to tell you that, but with social media and AI and the combination of those two, there is almost a limitless ability for them to impact people’s behavior.
SPEAKER 04 :
True.
SPEAKER 08 :
It happens all the time. They absolutely manipulate behavior in the same way they manipulated their foods, their advertising and everything else to make them addictive. We’ve talked about this on the show before. You know, when we talk about things like sugar, sugar and salt are both highly addictive. And the food industry figured it out a long time ago that if you have a food that people normally think of as salty. and you add sugar to it, you don’t really taste the sugar, but it makes them more addictive. That’s right. To wit, McDonald’s french fries have a tremendous amount of added sugar to make them more addictive. Likewise, they add salt to the sweet foods. Now you add in social media and AI and the ability to manipulate people to manipulate how frequently they see foods, what kinds of foods, how they know when to hit you with that advertising, when you’re going to be the most vulnerable. All you have to do is search one thing. you know, on the internet and then, you know, an hour later you’re seeing ads for that very thing that you were just looking for. It’s remarkable. You pop up ads for that thing that you just searched.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And on and on. And so you really have to be aware of it. You have to realize you are being manipulated 24-7 everywhere you look. Even if you think you’re just reading, you know, a news story, you are being manipulated.
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All right, great segue. We’ll come back here in just a moment. Questions, by the way, let us know. 307-200-8222 is our text line. Give us a text. We’ll get that answered here quickly. We’ll be right back with Dr. Kelly Victory. You can find out more about her, by the way, on our website. Go to RushToReason.com. Dr. Scott Faulkner, he is up next, and he thinks just like we do, by the way. He could sit here and chime in on the very same things that we are talking about right now. He is there for your best health, not for big pharma, not for big health care. 303-663-6990.
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All right, and we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Okay, Dr. Kelly, let’s move to, and I know you saw this news, and we didn’t go back and forth on this because this was pretty apparent, pretty mainstream, and that is RFK Jr. naming eight vaccine panel replacements, which Charlie reminded me of the other day, that when regimes come and go, whether it was Biden, whether it was Obama, Trump, these sorts of things, these changeovers, if you would, in some of these agencies, It’s pretty common. The news media wants to make a big deal out of it, but the reality is these things happen almost every regime change anyways.
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Yes, but this one has been entrenched for quite some time. These people have been in place, some of them for more than a decade, and the vast majority of the people, and we’re talking specifically about the ACIP panel, which is the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, They are the people who advise the CDC on which shots should actually make it on the childhood schedule. And if you have watched any of their hearings, it is absolutely outrageous. They’ve made decisions to put shots, vaccines on the childhood schedule, including, for example, the hepatitis B vaccine that babies, newborn babies get on day one. They do not need it. They did that with zero safety data and multiple doctors and multiple people on the panel in the room saying, well, do we have any data on long term effects? No, no, we don’t have that yet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unreal.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was unbelievable. It’s like a Saturday Night Live.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Almost all of them had ties to big pharma. So what Robert Kennedy Jr. did was he went in and got rid of all of them. He cleared house and he is reassembling that committee, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. with a whole new group of people with totally, you know, devoid of, hopefully, any ties to the pharmaceutical industry and without conflicts of interest. And so he’s just putting it back together now. And I believe that these people are far more thoughtful and will be far more scientific and have integrity as they review these things. And I believe that there’s a strong likelihood as a result, John, that the childhood immunization schedule may change significantly. These folks may start over from the beginning and review and say, nope, that one’s out, that one’s out, that one’s out, until we get more data.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s one area where I don’t generally disagree with RFK Jr. I think he’s doing things correctly. There’s a few things I would have done differently had I been him. But this is one area where I know why he said this. And I guess you kind of have to say it in today’s world. And I’ll explain why I don’t think he should have. But he vowed earlier this week not to pick. ideological anti-vaxxers for the committee. And here’s where I disagree, Dr. Kelly. When you’ve got, and I’m going to go to the business side of things, when you’ve got a business and there might be several different people that are a part of the business, might even be a couple, a husband and a wife, if you have two big spenders, the business fails. If you have two big bean counters, the business fails because everything is out of balance. The bean counters won’t allow you to spend anything to grow the business, and the spenders spend everything, so then the business fails because you overspent, you’re in debt, and you can’t get out of it. So you need some balance there. You need somebody that is, in fact… a bean counter and watches things very closely, but you also need somebody that’s willing to spend and move the company forward and do the things necessary to make it happen, and there’s a checks and balance that goes on there. In other words, the guy that wants to spend has to prove to the bean counter that this, in fact, will make us money at the end of the day. I look at this very much the same way. If you’ve got an ideological anti-vaxxer on your panel, then okay, your job is to prove to that anti-vaxxer that this vaccine does, in fact, work, and it will, in fact, save lives, and it’ll have very, very little side effects when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 08 :
proper role and isn’t that how it should work absolutely i think what he’s trying to say is that there are some people who just on regardless of any data they just are against i get that and there’s no day amount of data there’s no scientific change their mind ever there’s nothing that that you could change their mind you don’t want that you don’t want i agree has become a zealot of any sort.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
Either way. You don’t want somebody who’s a zealot about anything. You want people who are absolutely open-minded. They are Switzerland. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very neutral.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re neutral. And they’re willing to look at the scientific data that is presented to them. They’re able to understand the flaws in study designs. They’re able to understand if there were conflicts of interest on the part of the researchers that might have swayed the results. And they’re able to look, you know, certainly at and weigh the risks and the benefits because there’s nothing in medicine that doesn’t come down to a risk-benefit calculation.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
you know, getting rid of those conflicts of interest and having people who are scientifically oriented and who take this job seriously. I honestly was appalled when I would watch some of the hearings from this committee and hearing their reasoning and saying, you just were told that there isn’t any safety data available on this, yet you’re perfectly happy to vote for people to put it into their children.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is pure evil.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is, because if you compared that to other industries that might be coming under the same scrutiny, say, you know, the auto industry, for example, and, you know, car seats and where kids are even allowed to be buckled in and what direction they’re allowed to be buckled in and how long do they need to be in a booster seat and, and, and. I mean, there’s all sorts of studies and things that have gone in to that, Dr. Kelly, and why, for the most part, we keep kids pretty safe in the car now from when You and I grew up and there were metal dashes and, you know, you were lucky to have anything more than just a hand holding you back. So, I mean, all sorts of things have changed since then. But yet we give more credence. This is how I see it as a layman. We give more credence to that end of things than we do this vaccine end of things.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, absolutely. And I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t buy a car seat or a lawnmower or a hairdryer or anything else that’s set on the box. By the way, if this malfunctions and you are killed, you have no recourse.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can’t sue the manufacturer. I wouldn’t buy that product.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
So the idea that we are injecting children or anybody with a product and say, if this malfunctions and your child is maimed or, you know, permanently disabled or, God forbid, killed, you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tough nuggies. Yeah. You know, your hard luck. Here’s a question for you, Dr. Kelly, that, again, this is another one I don’t think we’ve ever brushed on. How many people, because I’ve got my own stats in my own mind, but how many people do you feel actually go, have their kids, you know, shots done? And I get it. Some may do more than others and so on. That’s kind of a personal preference. But how many of them do you feel on any level know what you just said?
SPEAKER 08 :
None. I should say very few.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s what I thought.
SPEAKER 08 :
Maybe 5% of people actually understand that you have no recourse. And this was a direct result of the Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986. In an effort to encourage and incentivize the pharmaceutical companies to be more creative and inventive and to roll out more vaccines, Congress passed this law and said, or this act, and said, if your vaccine gets on the childhood schedule, you can’t be sued if anything goes awry. Well, then it became a free-for-all because all of a sudden they’re saying, well, shoot, in that case, if I don’t have to prove that it doesn’t kill people and I don’t need any long-term safety studies, if I don’t need anything else, I can crank these things out, you know, a mile a minute. It’s real easy to produce a new vaccine if you have no liability.
SPEAKER 03 :
And here’s my thought on that. I mean, coming out of the industry, I come from knowing how many warning signs, warning labels, all the different things that we have to do in the auto industry. And yet, Dr. Kelly, I know there’s no rule. There should be. There should be a law stating this. There aren’t. I’m not a big law guy, but in this case, I think there should be one. There ought to be a sign, a poster, and it ought to be standardized or just like you have to do OSHA posters for businesses and so on. There ought to be some sort of standardized poster hanging on the wall in that pediatrician’s office that when people walk in to get their immunizations, it tells them what you just said.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. This is part of informed consent, John. And informed consent has been a joke for quite some time, not just starting with COVID. People are supposed to be getting informed consent support. any procedure intervention medication and certainly for vaccines you are supposed to be told the risks versus the benefits what alternatives there are but this isn’t happening it certainly doesn’t happen with vaccines it doesn’t happen largely with cancer care it’s very very rare that i have a patient say to me i saw the oncologist And they laid it out, the pros and the cons. What if I did all of what they’re suggesting? What if I did none of what they’re suggesting? Here are the alternatives. They didn’t show me the studies. They didn’t say any of this. Part of informed consent means understanding all of that and then making that decision, your decision, on your own, free of coercion. Which is, you know, think about the amount of coercion that happened during COVID. Okay, you don’t have, we’re not, you don’t have to have this vaccine, but if you don’t take it, you can’t get on a plane. You can’t go to school. You can’t go to your child’s graduation. You can’t go to this wedding. Okay, that’s coercion.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. I was just going to say, we’ve got the alternate to what you’re talking about in regards to what I was talking about with posters. We have just the opposite. We have doctors that will basically shame you into giving your kids all of these different vaccinations and give you every excuse under the sun as to why you should. And if you don’t, you’re a bad parent.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not only that, John, there are many doctors out there who will fire you from their practice.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s true. Good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
They will say, if you don’t vaccinate your child, that’s your choice. I can’t have you in my practice. And I have seen the letters written by physician practices that have done this to friends and family and patients of mine where they will say, oh, my God, I just got kicked out of the practice because… I am not having my child vaccinated according to the recommendation. And part of the reason they do that, for some it’s just this constant virtue signaling, but for many it’s financial. These doctors get rewarded. They get paid a bonus by the insurance companies for having 60%, 70%, 80% of your practice vaccinated, fully vaccinated. You get a financial incentive. So if you don’t vaccinate your child, you bring their numbers down. You’re a ding. You’re a black mark on them, and they’re at risk for not getting their full bonus, and they don’t want that. It is absolutely unconscionable.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s criminal, Dr. Kelly. It literally is criminal. It should not be allowed to happen. Those are some of the things that need to be changed. I get it. There’s a tall… list of things. You know, it’s a tall order for RFK Jr. and his team to go in and fix a lot of these things. And while people say, well, yeah, he’s got four years to do it, Dr. Kelly, you and I both know, I mean, we’ve been talking for over five now on air. Time flies, is my point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And I am frustrated because I obviously wanted things to happen a lot more quickly than they have. I also understand that the inner workings of Washington, and there are lots of competing forces there. It is clear to me, I know Bobby Kennedy personally, and I know that if it were up to him and he had no other people to answer to, he would have taken all of the COVID shots off the market on day one in office. You know, he would have eliminated every mandate. He would have changed the childhood vaccine schedule. He would have kicked the pharmaceutical companies out of the medical schools, out of the medical journals and on and on. But that’s not how Washington works. So you are literally chipping away, chipping away, chipping away small bites. And many, many times, unfortunately, it appears that what he’s doing is actually the opposite. You know, he’s supporting this or that or supporting, you know, and unfortunately, I have to. Just knowing who he is and knowing what he really would do on his own, I have to assume that there are just other things behind the scenes that I don’t know about, deals that have been made, and he’s doing the best he can. I’m sure he’s frustrated. Look at what happened with Elon Musk and Doge. Same thing. He gets in there. He’s got great ideas for what he can do, but that’s not how D.C. works. They wouldn’t let him do a significant portion of the things that he suggested, and instead he got ridiculed and criticized on one side and not on the other.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and before we move on, a lot of folks will come back and even criticize those leaders, RFK Jr., Trump, and so on. And while, yes, I know they’re leaders, and yes, they have a lot of influence on a lot of these things that are happening, Dr. Kell, you and I both know that the machines of D.C. are so large that there is no way that those two individuals can have their fingers in every single little thing that I mean, you take even a decent-sized medical practice and the, you know, quote-unquote doctor, doctors, plural, even in charge, there is no way they know every little thing going on inside of their practice. I know some people listening would say, how can that be? Dr. Kelly, you and I both know, because it gets so large, you just can’t have your fingers and everything going on. It’s just the way it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And I’m sure that there are people in that administration who are working against Trump, who are working against Bobby Kennedy. There are moles in every administration. You’ve got senators like Bill Cassidy, who’s absolutely in the pocket of big pharma. He’s a Republican and he absolutely is doing everything he can to stop Bobby Kennedy from doing anything that would impact the pharmaceutical industry negatively because that guy takes millions of dollars from them. So there are a lot of people and unfortunately there’s not a darn thing. that Bobby Kennedy can do about that other than, as I said, chip away, chip away, chip away, make small moves like this thing he just did with the ACIP panel. That’s great. And, you know, Very small bites, hopefully, will ultimately, over the four years, make a difference.
SPEAKER 03 :
If I were him, and I’m not, but if I were him and or were close to advising him, I would be saying, you know what, first thing, just like anything else you do in business, Dr. Kelly, to your point, Chip, weight the small things. What can you get done immediately? What kind of immediate changes can we make? But then on top of that, Dr. Kelly, I would be looking at it as, okay, And I know nothing lasts forever. But in politics, to your point, even with this particular panel that was just replaced, if you get some of the right people in the right places and look long term, you could have really long lasting impressions and make a difference for a very long time. if you did some of those things correctly. And if I were advising him, I’d be also saying, listen, let’s get some of these easy wins in. Let’s get some of these things done and out of our way. But long term, what are some of the things that we can do to make lasting change, lasting impression, including even some legislative things like we talked about earlier with Bernie Sanders and ads for Big Pharma and so on? I mean, what are some of these major things that Yeah, somebody else could come along and change them on down the road, but it will be very difficult once something gets established to do so. What are some of those things we could be working on and make happen, i.e., what I just said a moment ago about even – something as simple, Dr. Kelly, as, okay, we want every single doctor’s office out there that’s doing – administering vaccines, pediatricians. We want a poster somewhere in, if not several, inside of their practice letting people know that they’re – There is total immunity if something goes awry. I’ll tell you what, Dr. Kelly, I think there’s a lot of parents out there that if they knew that and they knew that were the case and they’re staring at the poster while they’re looking at these forms that they’re consenting to, they’d take a different approach.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you. And I think there’s a big movement afoot to return informed consent back to medical practice. That’s certainly one of the key focus. you know, focuses of the medical freedom movement in terms of what can be done in this administration. I think Bobby is attacking some of them right now. Even, you know, the thing he did with, you know, the food dyes that people have been talking about removing these artificial food dyes for decades. And he pretty much has gotten that done. Small move, but important. Changing the foods that are allowed on the SNAP program. Incredibly important. This isn’t punitive. This is saying, look, people are on federal subsidies for food. They shouldn’t be buying soda and candy and junk food with it because those same people are largely on federal subsidies, by the way, for their health care. So we are subsidizing their foods and their health care, and it makes no sense. So that’s a big deal. I think if he’s able to eliminate some of the conflicts of interest, in the media by removing pharmaceutical advertising dollars, that would be a huge thing. Returning integrity to medical science by bringing the research in-house at the NIH and bringing the journal in-house at the NIH, that’s a big deal because doctors at this point are hard-pressed to know where to turn to get honest science. It certainly isn’t the Lancet, the British Medical Journal, JAMA, or any of the rest of them. They are nothing more than marketing arms for big pharma. So you can’t read a journal right now and think that you’re getting honest science. You’re not. So there are things that he can do. I think just focusing on the chronic disease burden, focusing on obesity, I would like to see him focus more on what we need to do with regard to exercise. We’ve got to return physical education to our school system. On a daily basis, at least four days a week. We need to have more schools that are screen-free without cell phones. Cell phone-free schools. There’s no reason for children to have a cell phone on their person at school, ever. So those are things that I think are meaningful changes, and if some of those things can be done, I think it would be fantastic.
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And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. I appreciate you joining us again, Dr. Kelly. And I think you did see this one. I think we went back and forth on this one. Kash Patel announcing that there was a possible breakthrough after the seizure of Fauci’s phone and devices. Now, I’m not one to get too excited over some of these things because, frankly, Dr. Kelly, I think it’ll be a cold day, and you know what, before anything legally speaking ever happens to Dr. Fauci. But if we could even get… what he did exposed, I would call that a win. I don’t think he’ll ever do jail time for anything he did, even though he should be.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree. I think he’s Teflon, and not even just because of the phony pardon that he got. uh… by the auto pan from joe biden uh… i just think that they will rally around the attack to have a great uh… but i think that there is value to exposing just how deep the corruption went we already have the emails we are e can show uh… that they were purposely and knowingly trying to keep information hidden from the public they were trying to use private email accounts uh… you there on the record saying that they wanted to everything from uh… trying to stop the conversations about the true origins of the COVID virus, meaning that it actually came from the lab in Wuhan, not from the wet market. Everything to covering up the known negative side effects and adverse effects from the mRNA shots. The fact that masks didn’t work, that social distancing was completely made up. The idea of six feet had no scientific basis. was a number they just pulled out of thin air, that there was no reason to shut down the schools, that the lockdown was a fraud, and they did it purely to try to make people miserable so that it would increase vaccine acceptance. I mean, this is on and on. We have those emails. We have those receipts. People should be very, very angry. So will Fauci be held accountable personally? No, I doubt it. Much to my dismay. But there’s a special place in hell for him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Yep, you’re right.
SPEAKER 08 :
So that’ll happen. That’ll happen. On God’s watch. But I do think that there is a value to exposing again to the American people because I want people to be angry about it. I want people because that’s the only way, John, that you assure that people don’t fall for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. That’s absolutely right, Dr. Kelly. Yeah, they have to know what happened. And it’s one of those things, too, to where, like we’ve talked about, even with the vaccine ends of things, it has to be communicated correctly or the average person won’t know it. They won’t believe it. They’ll poo-poo it, whatever the case. We’ve got to do a good job of… getting that information out. And the reason I look at it that way, Dr. Kelly is, you know, things have a tendency to repeat themselves, there was a huge test, I believe we talked about this, you and I and Steve House did during COVID itself, there was a huge test on what can we get by with when it comes to, you know, the American people, how much freedom will they give away, for example, or exchange, if you would, for quote-unquote security. And it was a big, huge test, and frankly, we failed big time. And the reality is, I don’t want to fail the next time. I want to do a better job, because there will, trust me on this, folks, there will be a next time. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when, and how well are we going to handle that the next time around, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely, and I’ve said to many people during this entire debacle, I said, if you wonder how you would have behaved in Nazi Germany… If you want. OK, look at how you didn’t know how you look at how you behaved in COVID.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Were you that person, you know, you know, yelling six feet distance at people calling on your neighbor that they were out of their house and shouldn’t have been. Right, ratting out your neighbor for having too many cars in front of his house on the Fourth of July barbecue. Were you that person mocking or ridiculing people who chose not to get vaccinated? Were you that person who was virtue signaling by wearing a mask and criticizing other people? Were you that person? Because you need to own it if you were and maybe have a little contrition and maybe go back to some of the people whose faces you are in and say, you know what? Now that all the data is out, it turns out I was wrong and I’m sorry. I’m sorry that I behaved that way because I was wrong. And next time I will try to do better.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sad thing is, Dr. Kelly, I know a lot of people that even were slamming me publicly on even my page, you as well, Steve House, I mean, all of us. I mean, I look at a lot of these people. I have yet to see one single public apology on their own page stating the things that you just stated. It’s not in them, Dr. Kelly. I hate to say it, but that’s one of the things that I have really been disgruntled about with mankind is the fact that they now know, here in the U.S. especially, they now know what was going on. They’ve got data, to your point a moment ago. They can see with their own two eyes and read what’s going on and determine exactly the mistakes that they were making, and yet not one of them, I haven’t seen it anyways, not one of them has apologized.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree. Believe me, people like myself who got halted from the medical board over and over and over again for things that I said on air. You know, how can you say that? How can you say that there are dangers to the vaccine? How can you say that masks don’t work? How can you say that social distancing was made up now that all of those things have been acknowledged? I haven’t gotten any letters of apology from the medical board.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 08 :
The amount of time and money and legal costs for me to go and defend myself over and over and over again, let alone those people like Drs. McCullough or Mary Talley Bowden, people who had their medical licenses just taken away or their board certification taken away because they weren’t successful in defending themselves. Where are their apologies? Zero. So, you know, I think, again, and that’s why I’m encouraging people to be a little, you know, be introspective and say, was I that person? And if you were, because you were fearful or you believed what you were hearing on TV or whatever, and you embraced it. And have the humility to go back to those people, whether it was family members or friends, and say, you know what, by the way, I was acting out of fear. I believed the stuff. I didn’t know what else. And I’m sorry. for the way I behaved, because that’s the right thing to do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it is. And, again, unfortunately, and this is my disappointment with, you know, where we are as a society today, we aren’t. Nobody is. And, you know, you and I rarely do we even say, you know, we told you so. I mean, we did. We told everybody all the way through that this was just utter nonsense. We told, in my case, I know yours as well, Steve’s as well, told, you know, family, friends. I fortunately had a lot of family that didn’t buy into all that nonsense. I was very lucky that way. But there were other families that literally, Dr. Kelly, had huge divisions inside of them because of the things that you’re talking about. And it’s high time that, A, those families need to try to, you know, mend the fences, if you would. But in doing so, those people that started it, and really it was the mask wearers and social distancers and all of that that started all this nonsense. They were the ones that wouldn’t allow you know, family to come over unless you had the shot. You couldn’t come over unless you were masked up. You couldn’t come over at all because, by the way, there’s no way you’re going to stay six feet from me. There were families that didn’t even get together because of that nonsense. There needs to be some huge apologies made in a lot of families, and I’m afraid it’s not happening.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you, and that’s why I am encouraging people to do that. I try to give people a way back in by saying, I know you were fearful. I know you were afraid. I know that that’s why you were behaving that way. But at some point, they need to man up and own that. I certainly have a family that I was the only one in my extended family that did not get vaccinated. And I was disinvited from Thanksgiving for five years in a row because I was not vaccinated. Now, fast forward, they’re saying… Yeah, you know, all of a sudden I’m getting the invitations, and everyone just wants to pretend it didn’t happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. They want to act like it never happened.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. They just want to pretend it didn’t happen. And I try to be gracious, but at some point I think it would go a long way, and I have had some of my siblings come to me and say, wow, I am sorry.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good for them.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m sorry because I’m scared. And you turned out to be right. And I said… You know, I appreciate that. And but I also think you have a reason to be angry, not angry at me, but be angry at what happened. The system made a fool of you.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
They made a fool of you. They they they sat back and laughed at what you were doing. They sat back and, you know, and laughed at you. the lengths you would go to to follow these ridiculous things, you know, six feet distancing and all of this. They made a, I mean, they were mocking you.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. That’s right. Dr. Kelly, as a side note, and you just gave me an idea, you probably already thought of this because you’re way smarter than I. You should really write a book on everything that you’re talking about, not to ditz those people that were that way, but to really kindly show them that, listen, there are a lot of people out there that you were probably angry at at that time that now have turned out to be very true. You owe them an apology. Here’s how you can allow yourself to let those things happen and how you can start down that path of reconciliation. You ought to write a book on that, literally.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it’s very, very important, John, because honestly, I survey people everywhere I go. I have not met somebody who has not either lost a good lifelong friend. or a relationship with a family member over the friction that was caused by COVID. They did this purposely. They did. They absolutely pitted son against father and mother against daughter, siblings against one another. This was done purposely in an attempt to manipulate people’s behavior. Absolutely. They know it’s a very powerful thing to do. Shaming and shunning people, that is biblical. Yeah. The idea of saying you are the unclean, we are going to shame you, shun you, keep you from society, say you may not participate in these social events. It is one of the most powerful ways to manipulate behavior, and that’s what our government did to us. And these were not mistakes that the government made. This was purposeful, and people need to never forget.
SPEAKER 03 :
Amen. Great closing. Dr. Kelly, as always, thank you so much. I know you take time out of your week for us, which I am extremely thankful for. Our listeners are as well. I get feedback from them on an ongoing basis. And, you know, A, thank you for helping all of us be right and straightened out all of this time. We didn’t miss a beat. We were strong all the way through. You have been. And I appreciate all the great guidance you’ve given each and every one of us. And I mean that sincerely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, thanks for having me, and thanks, as always, John, for giving me this platform. Now it’s a little bit easier, but there were some pretty dark days there where I was…
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was kicked off every social media platform. Well, we were happy to be a part of it, Dr. Kelly.
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