This episode takes a sentimental yet practical journey through automotive realms, weaving through personal stories and professional insights in honor of Father’s Day. We hear from listeners and expert guests alike, sharing stories that highlight the lasting impact of fatherly advice, whether it be mechanical know-how or sage life lessons. One standout tale revolves around a late-night miracle repair, proving that sometimes, good things happen after midnight. Our conversation also uncovers the drastic changes in car repair culture, painting a picture of how contemporary technology, tools, and online resources have redefined the do-it-yourself sphere. Experiences and tips from experts
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, it’s drive radio time. Thank you all for listening to us. We appreciate it very much. And we actually have Pat Schneidt joining us now, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. So, Pat, thanks for joining us, for driving down. Hey, you bet. Thanks for having me. Good morning. I appreciate it very much. So, we are, of course, going to continue on with the theme we had last hour on… Fix-It Radio, if you’re listening to the replay, that may not have played right before this program, but it does today on Saturday as we’re recording and doing Drive Radio Live. But that is, what is, in honor of Father’s Day, which is Sunday, what’s your favorite car memory with your dad or something dad taught you? Now, that could be about cars, could just be any advice that he gave you. For example, Charlie was saying during the break, and my dad was big on this, nothing good happens after midnight. It was one of the things my dad taught me. And he’s right. And it’s true. And it’s still true, by the way. It hasn’t changed. Nothing good happens after midnight. In fact, there’s probably some areas. What’s that, Charlie? Yeah, more true now than ever. Yeah, thank you, Charlie. In fact, you might even want to back that up an hour. You might even want to say nothing good happens after 11 o’clock at night. I don’t know what the magic number is right now, but give us some things that Dad taught you. Could be about cars, could be tools, could be we were talking to Fix-It Radio, things around the house. You name it, Pat, could be all sorts of things.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, I do have one quick story. Something good that did happen after midnight, and that is my buddy Ron. We had a thing called shop night for 20 years. We’d gather at Ron’s house. We’d work on cars every Thursday evening. So 12.30 one night, we were finishing up or sitting around having a beer, and Ron’s son pulls in with another buddy who had a broken car at 12.30 at night on a Thursday. The kid needs to be at work by 8 o’clock the next morning, and so Adam says to Ron, Dad, can you help me fix my friend’s car? Ron looked at me. He looked at the rest of our group. He says… Let’s go, fellas. And we fixed that car at 1230 in the morning. So that was awesome.
SPEAKER 18 :
Had a text message that came in. Good story, by the way. Good story. Because that is something good that happened after midnight. Not many of those stories out there, by the way. Not typical.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have a couple of those as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
They’re very much similar to what you’re talking about. But typically, yeah, that’s the case. Somebody said, my dad showed me a lot on most everything we need to fix. He’s 62 now, so I’m similar in age. But most importantly was not to be afraid to try. Have a look. Back then, check the book if needed. Yeah, we don’t need books anymore. Now you’ve got Google You and other places. But 99% of the time, I can handle it. My RV AC short is like that. Thank you, by the way. I appreciate that. And yes, I think that’s the other thing that my dad taught me as well is, you know what? And this is this has been my theory. My dad didn’t necessarily say this, but I picked this up from him. If a man made it. A man can fix it. That’s been my motto pretty much throughout my entire life. I love that. A man made it. A man can fix it. So why can’t that be me? Exactly. We just haven’t learned how yet, but we will figure this out. Right. Now, I get it. In some cases, it can be very intricate. And I also know this, and this is one of the things you run into today. This is true on cars. It’s true with appliances. It’s true with a lot of things. Some things aren’t meant to be fixed. I get that. True. There are some components where literally it is a, you take it off, go throw it away, put a new one on. That’s right. They’re not, I mean, the days of, for example, and this shows you my age. because I still have one of these even in my home shop because of some of the things my dad was doing. I grew up at a time to where you actually bought brake shoes. You didn’t buy the assembly. You bought the material and re-riveted it. We had a machine. You re-lined them. You bought the lining is what I should say. You didn’t buy the entire brake assembly. You bought the shoe. You re-riveted it. You arced it. I have an arc machine even in my own home shop now that I can re-arc. a brake shoe because some of the old, old stuff, that’s the only way you can do it is by linings. But I, you know, for the most part, well, those days are gone. You’ll never find a shop because of liability that is relining a brake shoe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, absolutely not. Two things, John. First one, I thought I was older than you. Now I’m not so sure. Second thing is my buddy Mike taught me, and Mike, I hope you’re listening. You’re up in Fort Collins. If I’m going to do something myself, I can buy the tools. I can do it myself the first time, screw it up, and do it myself the second time, cheaper than I can hire somebody to do it. So to all you DIYers out there, good luck.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and again, in a lot of cases, too, this is true for a lot of you, and you know this from listening. Yes, you need some knowledge. Yes, you probably need to know how that came apart, went back together, some of those basics. But on top of that, you need the right tools in a lot of cases to fix said item. Folks, this could be everything from your car to appliances to plumbing and so on. and we were mentioning this during Fix It Radio, the amount of tools that we now have at our disposal versus what we had even a decade ago. It seems like every time, and Pat knows this from what you do, every time you turn around, there’s now a new tool to do XYZ with. So that part is great, by the way. I’m not complaining about that at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right. The specialty tools are a necessity today. They can be frustrating that you need yet another specialty tool, but it will help you get the job done. And I want to say this very clearly. The most important specialty tool is sitting right here on your table, John. We’ve got two of them, laptops, the Internet. Yeah, good point. Okay, the T-shirt that says GTS, Google that stuff. You can get a lot further ahead. And not that everything on the Internet is right. There’s a lot of crap out there, but there are guidelines, tips, and directions to get you started.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s right. The biggest thing there is… Having enough knowledge to know if what you’re reading is accurate or what you’re viewing, I should say, is accurate or not. And what I mean by that is there are some – I’ll just say it. There’s some hack artists out there that will make videos on things where it’s like, yeah, I could probably get the job done doing it that way, but I’m not. Right, right. I’m not going to use your method of doing that because I’m not going to – for example, I’m not going to put those –
SPEAKER 07 :
those blend doors in the way you’re telling me to because i’m not cutting the air box apart and gluing it back together i sorry i’m not cheating that way i’m going to do it the right way it is important to do things right but there are just as there are hack artists out there there are some good guys too if you get on some of these channels that the guys do know what they’re doing worth their weight in gold
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and there’s a lot of ways to quote-unquote cheat, and I can explain some of these even on some of the older vehicles and different things that I did back in the day where you could easily cheat. Are you doing it correctly? Sure. It’s still got the job done. Nothing wrong with it. You just learned ways to cheat and get things done that you – If you did it technically by the book, you’re doing it wrong, but you’re still getting the job done at the end of the day much faster.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right. If there’s a 14-step procedure and after you’re doing it three times, you can eliminate three steps, you can get a job done faster.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s right. Well, for example, there are certain situations where by… you know, moving the, the body up off of the vehicle and giving yourself more access and things along those lines. Yeah. You can find yourself actually getting things done faster. Now that’s not going to be done at home, but in shops you can do some of those things. And that’s kind of what I’m talking about. There’s, there is in a lot of cases, ways to speed things up, uh, by quote unquote cheating a little bit. And you learn those things, the farther down the path you get in the automotive world.
SPEAKER 07 :
It feels really good once you figure those out, too. It’s like, oh, that was amazing.
SPEAKER 18 :
I didn’t expect it going in, but that was amazing. That’s right. That’s right. So that’s the question of the day. Lines are open, by the way, 303-477-5600. Text line open as well, 307. Two hundred eighty to twenty two. And I should have mentioned, have you got any car question at all? Some of you that are preparing for Fourth of July or Independence Day is what I really like to call it. You may be looking at, you know, different things trailer wise. And, hey, I get questions of this all the time. Is this truck enough to haul this trailer or I’ve got this problem with my particular vehicle? trailer or camper or whatever what do i need to do we can answer all those questions today folks if you’ve got some things along those lines where you’re looking at doing something as we head into the holiday here in just a few weeks away please let us know again 303-477-5600 a couple of calls coming in right now and as uh as as the lines fill up and as people drop off just be sure to call us we’ll get you right on air 303-477-5600 we’ll be right back though drive radio klz 560.
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She’s real fine, my 409. She’s real fine, my 409. My 409.
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And we are back. And because of Brian Wilson passing away this past week, Charlie has decided today to play Beach Boys music all the way through. Beach Boys, I should say, music throughout the day today. So if you notice a little trend here today, that is why. One other thing, too, the reason why I try to say Independence Day and not Fourth of July, and I talk about this a lot during the day, is, A, most people don’t know what July 4th is. If you were to ask them, what is this day, they’re just going to tell you, well, it’s the 4th of July. So I like calling it Independence Day because that’s what it is. I am also one. It’ll never happen. But I really wish we would do like we do for Thanksgiving and make the first Thursday of every July Independence Day Give everybody a four-day weekend just like we do for Thanksgiving. Basically, if they want to work Friday, they could, but it would give a nice four-day weekend. Make Independence Day a standard first Thursday of every July and call it that and stop calling it the 4th of July. And someone would say, well, that would be wrong because they signed it that day. No, they didn’t. It took them a long time to get that document fully signed. So, no, that is not a good argument.
SPEAKER 07 :
Little do you know, that’s just where we put the date. Correct.
SPEAKER 18 :
So we could call it Independence Day. Well, it is Independence Day. We could celebrate it correctly, do it the first Thursday of every July. They should have done that to begin with because, unfortunately, through time, we have lost the meaning of Independence Day, and we call it Fourth of July instead. Correct. And most don’t even know what it is. And most of us hardworking Americans could use one more four-day weekend.
SPEAKER 05 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely so. So that’s my take on that. So John and Cheyenne, what’s up today?
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, so first thing, my father used to say this, and I think you’ll understand it. He always used to say, don’t go shabby.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah. I love it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. And, you know, I remember towards the end when he was ill, he never left the house until without a shave and a shower and dressed appropriately no matter where he was going. I mean, even just to go to a doctor’s appointment and maybe out to breakfast, it was a shave, it was a shower, it was nice clothes all the time.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sounds like me.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, you are making me second-guess my decision not to shave before I came down from Fort Collins this morning.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well… I just got back from a hike. I’m on my way back from a hike this morning, so I didn’t shower or shave before I went hiking because I need to do it afterwards.
SPEAKER 07 :
Perfect. That makes sense.
SPEAKER 05 :
There you go. So the other thing is for shortcuts, and any old Army mechanic, Bradley, M1, 113 mechanical know this. To change a starter in a 113, step one was to pull the power pack. And that would take two mechanics. one in the front, one in the back, 45 minutes, just to get it out. Meanwhile, if you had two guys, one guy would be in the front, one guy would be in the back. You took three 10-inch extensions, a three-quarter-inch socket, and a cargo strap, and you hung the weight of the starter on the manifold, and then the guy would loosen the bolts in the back, and you’d be able to swing it out. And it took about 45 minutes total to get it swapped out that way.
SPEAKER 18 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we learned that. But if you pulled the maintenance manual out, step one, changing a starter, said pull the power plant.
SPEAKER 07 :
Interesting. So, again, you learned to, like, cheat the normal procedure, and you figured out a way to get it done more efficiently and faster.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. But the thing was is every year we took what they called an SQT test, a skill qualification test. And that question seemed like it was always on it. What is the first step in changing a starter? And you don’t know how many guys got it wrong because they forgot that it was pull the power pack.
SPEAKER 06 :
Dead one.
SPEAKER 05 :
But that’s the Army for you. Hey, John, I just realized I never sent you that photo of the front diff for my… 80 Chevy. I’ll email that to you when I get home.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was just looking through so you could tell me which front end it is so I can get the shaft.
SPEAKER 18 :
Happy to do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Thanks, John. You guys have a good day. You do the same, John. Thanks for calling, John.
SPEAKER 18 :
You bet. Appreciate you. And just send me that. I’d be happy to. Somebody sent me a news story on a deadly crash on I-70 eastbound in Kansas City, Missouri. A man got out of his truck, ran next to and tried to get into a tractor trailer. on Interstate 71’s run over and killed by the rear axle of the tractor trailer. I’m not sure why you would be doing that. He was traveling east. I don’t know why you would get out and then, oh, man, I mean. Don’t do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, is that a road rage incident?
SPEAKER 18 :
I don’t know. That’s a weird… He tried to jump onto the trailer, grabbed a retention strap. As it continued to move, he lost his grip and fell off and was run over. Oh, my word. Oh, my gosh. People, yeah, don’t do that. I mean… Yeah, and I don’t know why you would try, but don’t do that. That’s just not wise. I don’t know that you would even have to teach your kids. That one I think is kind of common sense. Why would you do that? That just doesn’t make any sense to me. at all anyways yeah there’s got to be some context yeah yeah i need to know more about that one so again question of the day today which a lot of you have been chiming in on you know give us a favorite memory either of dad when it comes to you know car stuff or traveling or whatever or something that he taught you Could be cars, could be advice, could be even, you know, honestly, guys could be hunting, fishing, boating, all the different things that we all do. You know, what are things that, you know, dad taught you? And I like what a couple of you have said even as far as, you know, and my dad was this way, never be afraid to try to fix something.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, yep, got to give it a shot.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, never be afraid. Now, you do need to know, I think, at times, are you going to be over your head and are you going to be costing yourself more money at the end of the day by heading into this? Well, again, these are where, Mickey said it best, he texted back in and said, the best tool is between your ears. Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s a good one, too.
SPEAKER 18 :
There are times where you may be want to backing up a little bit and saying, okay, what’s this really going to involve when it’s all said and done and do I want to head down? this particular path but again if depending upon what your skill set is what kind of tooling you have and so on that that one kind of comes back down to you and what do you want to do at that point in time so anyways 303-477-5600 is our phone number wayne you are next go ahead wayne yeah you talked about uh product jb wells a little while back i did last week actually and i’ve never yeah i’m one of those where i’ve never had it work just just me
SPEAKER 08 :
I use it all the time. Matter of fact, I consider myself as J.B. Welkin. Well, man, good for you.
SPEAKER 18 :
So give me the tips on what you do to make it actually work, because I’m not exaggerating, Wayne. I have yet to ever use anything where it actually worked.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I never use it fast, quick. I always use it slow. Okay, slow. Because it’s water-based to start with. You mix it thoroughly, equal amounts. Matter of fact, I’ve never looked at the JB Weld instruction sheet. Never looked at it.
SPEAKER 18 :
You just do the 50-50 and off you go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I just know how to do it. Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, so give me some things you’ve actually fixed.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve made things with it. I’m a builder. Oh, okay. You know, I build stuff. I don’t go buy it. I build it. You know, I got stuff that I made that’s better than factories. And I’ve been doing this ever since I was about five or six years old, building stuff.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, nice.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, you know, like when you put two pieces of metal together, it’s going to be in the water and stuff. Put a layer of JB weld between your two metal pieces and put them together so you don’t form any. Any rust between the two.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 18 :
So give me something else, Wayne, you’ve actually built with JB Weld. I’m curious because, again, I am one of those where I just have not had good luck with it.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve used it for gun parts. Okay. Huh. Okay. I’ve built five large telescopes, real nice ones.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, over the years.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve built a replica telescope with a dome, a post-war model. It’s got everything in it, you know, even the shutters and stuff work. It’s got doors, doorknobs, everything to it. You look at it, and it looks real, okay? And it all works. It’s all got optics in it and a whole ball of wax. Wow, nice. Okay, I’ve done this over the years, but everything I build, if I need JB Weld, I know when it can work and when it can’t work, and I use it. If I don’t need it, I don’t use it.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I’m definitely not an expert in JB Weld either, but I have a question, and maybe this is for the uninitiated. Do you use it as a paste, as a putty, and you oversize whatever you’re building and then come back in after it hardens and shape it and file it down, or what do you do?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I’ve done all that. I’ve used it as a bond agent. I’ve used it just for every application you can think of. Nice. Okay? Now… You take the steel putty. I call it steel putty.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
You take the steel stick, which is the putty, you know, for putting in holes and catching up low spots and all kinds of stuff. And you can do that, and you can use that just like on fenders, car parts. Yeah. You can use it anywhere.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s a little harder to cut and sand down, but once it’s on there, it is permanent. But I take that steel putty, and I mix JB Weld Liquid in with it, which makes even a better product yet. It sticks harder, it lasts longer, it takes all the shock, you know, vibration and shock and everything, and it never pops off. It never pops off of anything. And I use it for all kinds of applications, and I’ve done that for 20, 30 years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I’ll rethink that. So if you’re using it on an automotive, like a fender or something, and maybe you’re patching a rust hole or something, do you put it on top of paint, or do you take the paint off and get it metal to metal?
SPEAKER 08 :
Sometimes I take the paint off and rough it up. Sometimes I just rough the paint up.
SPEAKER 18 :
Gotcha. Nice. Okay, so this is a funny comment, Wayne, but somebody texted in and asked, since you’re so good on J.B. Weld, can you tell us how Simple Green works and can you make it work also? And that’s a good joke because, by the way, I have found Simple Green to not be as effective as a lot of other cleaners, even though they claim it’s the best cleaner there is, and it’s not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you’ve got to clean the surfaces before you use it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, yeah, on the JV weld, absolutely. Yes, you do. Yes, absolutely. Wayne, I appreciate you calling in. I mean, I will give it another whirl because I’ve never found it to be. I’ve never used it for what you’re using it for.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s water-based, so you can clean it up. Yeah, yeah. No, I hear you. Absolutely. It’s messy to put on sometimes, but you can clean it up. Sometimes I clean it up with water and soap a little bit on my product I’m working on. Sometimes I just use spit and a paper towel.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, makes sense.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I clean it up before it starts to dry. Sometimes I’ll put heat to it to do it faster. And another thing you talked about, plug-in tools. That’s all I ever used.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, that’s all I ever used for years until I discovered how handy cordless tools are.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but here’s an advantage. You’ve got a cordless tool. You go to use it, you’ve got to charge the battery. Well, if you have a cord one, you can plug it in half the time and get your job done real fast.
SPEAKER 18 :
That is true. There’s a place for both. Yeah, there’s an advantage to that, although I’ve…
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, there’s advantage for that. Yeah, there is. But I’ve never invested any money in cordless tools because I’ve always used the others all my life.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, if you’ve got it and it works for you, go for it.
SPEAKER 08 :
They work good enough. No, they do. Yeah, uh-huh.
SPEAKER 18 :
They do. Wayne, I’m going to let you go. I’m at a break time. I appreciate it. Jerry and Greeley, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. A couple lines open, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, and again, little Beach Boys music for all of you. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Pat Schneidt, out of Alltech Automotive in Fort Collins with me today. Appreciate Pat driving down. Of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer, Larry and Grant’s are in phones. Keep Larry busy, by the way, 303-477-5600. Any question, comment, we’ll take it right now. Jerry and Greeley, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
I had some good luck with J.B. Weld many years ago. um, on a Toro self-propelled lawnmower. Um, at that time, I didn’t know you could just tip the thing over and dump the old oil out the filler neck.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, so I, you know, drained it out the drain plug in the bottom of the deck and then over tighten the drain plug and actually cracked the, uh, bottom of the crankcase. And, um, But I got lucky. I just sprayed it real good with brake clean and smeared some JB weld on there. And I didn’t expect it to last because of the vibration, but it lasted for many years. So I got lucky, I guess.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, that’s good. Good for you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good story. Can I ask a question?
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely, Jerry. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
I stumbled across this YouTube video of a fellow who – He had a 2015 F-150 up on the rack, and he was demonstrating how the frame was pretty badly rotted out. I mean, really badly. And he didn’t really present any evidence, but he was portraying the situation as if all of the 13th generation F-150s would be highly susceptible to this, and his theory The theory was showing how there’s a bunch of holes in the side of the frame. It’s not just a channel frame, but a box frame. But there’s no drain holes in the bottom. And so he said, okay, water and road salt and stuff will get in there, and then there’s no way for it to drain out. So it’s going to rust in the low spots. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I’m sure where you live. Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. I was just going to say that I could see I saw a video the other day wasn’t on an F-150, Jerry, but somebody else. I think it was a I think it was a new. Well, maybe it was a. Actually, it was a Super Duty. It wasn’t a 150. It was a 250 that had kind of a similar thing, and they were showing that the truck wasn’t that old and it had all this rust and so on. I’m thinking one of two things. Either this is an issue that a lot of guys don’t think about where they’re near the ocean and they back their boats in and out of the water and they’re not cleaning things off very well once they’re done. I mean, that is so hard on people. on you know not only the frame and all of that that’s on the boat trailer itself but now on the truck as well and you’ve got to get all that stuff really washed off i think also the rust belt areas there’s a reason why we call it the rust belt jerry if you’re in some of those areas in the wintertime especially same thing got to make sure you’re getting everything you know cleaned up after storms and so on we’re not as bad here because we just even though we’re using full salt on our roads here in colorado we just don’t have as many storms and have as much to melt as they do in other areas But I do think, again, I’m a big one. You guys hear me talk about this in the wintertime. And a lot of folks don’t like automatic car washes. But the one thing that they are really good in is the underbody washes that a lot of the touchless ones will have, especially in the wintertime, getting as much of that crud off. I don’t think here in Colorado, Jerry, anybody would ever have any issues. But I can see where different parts of the country, depending upon what you’re doing with that particular vehicle. Yeah, and I don’t think it matters whether it’s a Ford or a GM or a Ram or whatever, Jerry. I think you could have issues, period. Toyota had some issues. They recalled a bunch of frames back on Tacomas back in the day where they were replacing entire frames under warranty for similar issues. So it can happen to any of them. Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, if a person had a really bad case of the frame damaged by extreme rust, how would it be repaired?
SPEAKER 18 :
Replace the frame? Replace the frame. Yeah, you’re not fixing. Like on the Toyotas, for example, Jerry, there was no fixing of those. This truck I saw the other day, the video on the F-250, same deal. There is no way you’re fixing that. You’re going to put a frame on it, and that is a problem. heavy-duty, labor-intensive, expensive endeavor.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, it is. We’ve done a few at the shop.
SPEAKER 18 :
You need two full bays and a couple of guys to even do it because of all of the moving pieces involved in getting that done. Because as you can imagine, Jerry, it’s not only getting the body off, but now everything else that’s attached to that frame, all of your suspension and driveline and so on, all that has to be swapped over.
SPEAKER 04 :
Would a person have to find a replacement frame at a junkyard? No.
SPEAKER 18 :
Depending on the year of the truck, believe it or not, you can still buy new frames depending upon how far back. And that one, I won’t put any blanket statements on because it really depends on the model, the manufacturer, changes that they may or may have not made to that particular frame. But a lot of the collision end of things, Jerry, it’s why you can still buy a complete frame because depending upon the accident and whether they’ve totaled the vehicle or not, if you’re trying to fix it, yes, you can still buy frames. The older they get, the harder that becomes, of course.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. While they’re still in production, to your point, John, we’ve done a Ford and a Chrysler, and you can actually get them from the manufacturer. There you go. So there’s an example, Jerry.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Well, thank you very much for the information.
SPEAKER 18 :
is if you’ve got a rough spot on the frame, grind all that off, repaint it, recode it, get that stuff fixed. There’s ways to take care of some of this stuff proactively, I should say, Jerry, versus just letting it roll along. All right. And I’m a big believer in that even when it comes to, you know, differentials and things along those lines. If you can keep those things, you know, cleaned off and there is now – this is something else that we don’t talk much about, but there is now paint – how do I want to say this? There is – Paint products that are now made, and Napa sells it as well, whereby you can take rusted pieces, paint it with this particular product. No priming necessary. It neutralizes the rust, and the paint will stick like no tomorrow, and you can even paint on top of that if you want to. So for some of you where you’re thinking, hey, how am I going to do some of these things? Believe it or not, Napa sells, and it’s not, this stuff is not cheap. That’s the one downside to it. It’s a very expensive paint, but it’s a rust neutralizer paint all in one.
SPEAKER 07 :
And you can brush it in some cases. You can roll, spray it.
SPEAKER 18 :
just like you never brushed it on, Jerry.
SPEAKER 07 :
So to your point, we were asked to participate in the Independence Day Parade last year, and I’ve got a 20-foot car hauler that was pretty rusty, and I used some of that rust-inhibitive paint. It works. It works great.
SPEAKER 18 :
It is some of the slickest. For those of you listening, where you’ve got old trailers, old frames, you’re rebuilding a car… This particular example, Jerry, where you might have a few places that you want to touch up or whatever, this particular product, and I think you can buy it in quart or gallons, it is the slickest stuff ever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow, good to know. All right. I appreciate the advice. You’re very welcome, Jerry.
SPEAKER 18 :
I appreciate it very much. I was recommending that to somebody the other day, not on air. We were off air talking, and I went online and found the product and said, hey, for what you’re doing, use this. I’m not joking, guys. It is some of the slickest stuff out there made. So, Jeff, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you and your comments as well from Montana. And this is Drive Radio. Again, all of our sponsors, please, when you use them, let you know you heard them here. It helps us out. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. Myself, Pat Schneid from Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Patch Knight, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. And the product name at NAPA for that paint that we were talking to Jerry about, for a lot of you listening, and I’m not exaggerating, and I learned this from a listener years ago because I didn’t know about this product before a listener informed me of it because there’s so many products on the market. And there’s other people that make this, but NAPA’s product name is called Rust Proof MD. And I believe it comes in black or gray. So it’s called Rust Proof MD. It is not cheap. a gallon of this stuff is 240 bucks so it’s not cheap now i will tell you this that gallon will go a long ways it’s rust proof m d that’s the product name from napa it comes black or gray so if you walk into the counter and just say i want the rust proof md they’ll know what you’re talking about most of the stores are going to stock it And you can get it in, again, either a pint or a quart or a gallon. And, again, it’s not inexpensive. $60 for a pint, about $80 for a quart, and, again, about $240 for a gallon. But I will tell you, the stuff goes a long way. It doesn’t take near as much as you think. You can use a brush. In fact, I would recommend not spraying it on because you don’t want to lose the material. I would recommend either brushing or rolling it on so you keep as much material on what you’re doing versus in – you don’t want to spray it on. I don’t anyways because you end up with more over-spraying things. It’s an expensive product. I want it on the product I’m trying to put it on. Frame rails, trailer, flatbed trucks, things. And I’m not exaggerating. You can paint it on, and you won’t see a single brush stroke when you’re done, if you do it correctly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Very nice.
SPEAKER 18 :
This stuff works fabulous. So, Jeff in Montana, go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, good morning again. Actually, yeah, it’s still morning. Oh, it’s still morning. Yep, morning.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I was… When you were talking about that, I was wondering if it was the same stuff you put on rust that you can, you know, the spray-on stuff that you can actually turn your rust black, it chemically reacts.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, this actually, it’s a paint product, but it neutralizes the rust, meaning you don’t have to sandblast, prime, do all of that. If you’ve got, you know, a rusty differential and you want it black again and you want the rust to go away, you can literally just take a paintbrush and paint your differential with this product and you’re good to go. You don’t have to do anything else.
SPEAKER 10 :
Just clean it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Just make sure there’s no oil product, no oil or any residue like that.
SPEAKER 10 :
No cobwebs.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, you could use brake cleaner or whatever and clean it all off and then paint this on and off you go. Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good to know. Thanks. You were talking about frames, replacing frames. It just brought to mind something as I was waiting the… I have a son-in-law. Well, he was a former son-in-law, but I still consider him a son-in-law. Sure. He’s a senior engineer for Peterbilt down in Texas. And he took me through the plant one time when there was nobody there. It was on a weekend, I think. Oh, cool. Cool. And I got to see how they make them, and it’s really interesting. I won’t go through the whole thing, but it starts out with two rails.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
One for each side.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I looked down and I thought, this is the beginning of the truck, but those rails are individually fabricated, I guess. The rail is probably pretty calm on the standard itself. But depending on what the customer has ordered with the truck, they will pre-drill in those two frames all the holes and different things that they need in order to accommodate that order. So when you get your truck, that frame was made for you. And so I just want… People will know that, you know, I’m not sure it goes to that extent with, you know, Super Duties or any other, you know, three-quarter or full-time vehicles. But there’s a lot of thought that goes into these things that people just aren’t aware of.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. Not unlike framing a house. I mean, you couldn’t stand a wall if you didn’t have framers, and you couldn’t build a truck if you didn’t have a frame to support it. Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. A frame, I mean, it’s not like, oh, let’s just go get an F-250 frame. Well, there’s probably going to be a little bit more to it than that. I just want people to be aware of that.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s a little different than changing a tire.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. And speaking to unique things, something that popped up in my mind, and it was kind of brought up a little bit this week, I was reading an article on the fact that California – despite all of its stupid environmental stuff, this is not a, a riots question. This is the fact that Valero, and I can’t remember Phillips, I think maybe have announced a closure of two different refineries. Yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
I believe you, I believe you’re correct on that. Yeah. And I can’t remember exactly, but yes, I think you’re correct on that. Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And so now all of a sudden California is potentially looking at $10 a gallon gasoline because of their environmental, uh, And the fact that it’s, I think we call it like a desert market. It might be a different term, but it’s an isolated market in that Nobody else has their requirements, and so they need to have refineries pretty much dedicated to their stuff. There’s not a lot of refineries outside of California who want to do that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s just not possible.
SPEAKER 18 :
They have a higher standard, different blend. You know, I’ve said this numerous times. Emissions related? Yeah, I’ve said this on this program, on my daily program, and I don’t know why this administration isn’t looking more… closely at it if anybody could they should we don’t need i think there’s 24 blends of fuel across the country and we don’t need 24 blends we could i’ve looked at it we could literally get by with six at most and probably four would cut it and and have no problems at all and to your point jeff california is really out there on an island on its own they have got so many things going on with their fuel and it’s just stupid it doesn’t need to be that way today well that was going to be my question is and you already answered it was that uh
SPEAKER 11 :
Nationwide, you say there’s 24? I think there’s 24.
SPEAKER 18 :
Last time I looked, and that could, please, if anybody knows that better than I, the last time I looked, I think it was 24, Jeff. It’s not 50. Every state doesn’t require its own. They do that kind of by regions. I think there’s 24. It could be a little less than that now, but bottom line, far too many than we need. We don’t need that many. The refinery end of things, they could consolidate and streamline that, and if refineries would love it, and it would lower the cost of fuel overnight. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, yeah, what I was thinking is that when you look at typically you have three different grades of gasoline, and I don’t know if the ad packs for each of those need to be different or if they can be the same, depending on the grade. But, you know, I was thinking that and then you have summer and winter. So if you look at it all. You’re looking at maybe three different blends in the summer and three different blends in the winter, so maybe six grades altogether.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’ll go one step further, and some would probably argue with me on this, but knowing what I know as far as how the vehicles themselves work and how they clean up emissions and so on, we don’t even need summer versus winter information. anymore, Jeff. Some might argue with me on that, but I’m just here to tell you that you don’t. They could easily come up with one blend year-round, go to the different regions. Keep in mind, we have some regions to where there’s not enough temperature switch to bother changing anything over. Some of the colder states, you might want to do a little different blend in the wintertime, but I would argue that, again, the way the modern vehicles work You wouldn’t even have to do that. It’s out of control, and this is all driven by EPA, Jeff. It’s out of control as to how many different blends and things we have all year long. It’s stupid how we do that, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I would agree. I just didn’t have details. You generally know something is stupid, but you don’t have details to argue them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
And again, this is all coming because of regulations out of Washington and bureaucrats. I’ll just be straight up honest. In a lot of cases, it’s not even scientific the way they do some of this stuff. It’s more bureaucratic as much as anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
Is Elon going to get to look at this?
SPEAKER 18 :
I have no idea. Good question.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you in Colorado there get to suffer from the recent, I think it’s a recent adoption. It wasn’t Colorado hadn’t done this when I was there, adopting California’s air quality standards.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes. And now with the changes in this administration that I’m going to talk about that this next week, actually on the daily program, that’s going to benefit Colorado because they’re rolling some of those back for, you know, the Trump administration’s rolling those back for California, which will then have an impact on us. which is a good thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. The more sanity we can have, which basically equates to less government, the better there is. Yeah, and just as kind of an ending note, I was just reading this before I came on. In Maryland, there was somebody who was a USAID official who has been pled guilty to laundering $550 million worth of contracts to friends and acquaintances. Wow.
SPEAKER 1 :
$550.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s crazy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Half a billion dollars.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
And God knows how many of that went into his pocket. There was one that was a $15 million small business administration loan to a friend who immediately took a $10 million salary out of it. Wow.
SPEAKER 18 :
Good Lord. Payback. Payola. Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, so, you know, for those people who think that this has all been just nothing but witch hunts, there’s nothing to see here, folks. Move on. We haven’t gone far.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s another discussion, but we haven’t gone far enough, Jeff. Again, even going back, I just, for grins, I just pulled up the EPA.gov federal gasoline regulations, and reading through that, Jeff, will make your head spin. It’s ridiculous how many regulations we have on all of this stuff. It doesn’t need to be that way. Not with today’s modern cars and the ability to control fuel the way we do, the way we’re handling things on the catalyst side. And, you know, Pat knows all about that. I mean, the reality, Jeff, is we don’t need to be as heavily regulated in that area as we once did.
SPEAKER 07 :
The technology in vehicles is pretty impressive.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s exactly right. Yep.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I think it takes nowadays 100 vehicles to reduce the emissions that one vehicle did back in the 60s.
SPEAKER 18 :
That would sound about right. I’d have to go through and do the math on that, but that’s probably not far off, Jeff.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so we didn’t need…
SPEAKER 18 :
All we needed to do, well, I mean, one way to prove that for anybody that would disagree with that, I back into the garage because I’m weird, but I just do. And you’ll start my vehicle up every time I go to leave the garage. And in the old days, if you did that, you would literally send all those fumes into the house. You’d smell it from all over the place. Jeff, you smell nothing. Nowadays, doing that, it just does. The smell and what we used to do even, you know, what I used to come home smelling like from the shop, you don’t anymore because it’s just so much cleaner.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. Yep. Night and day. You don’t realize what you don’t, you know, you forget what it used to be like. That’s right.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s right. Way different than what it’s ever been. I’ve got to run to the top of the hour break. Buck and Bob, you guys hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. One line open, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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