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In this hard-hitting hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Andy Peth unpack the difference between persuasive engagement and performative outrage. They challenge conservatives to stop wasting energy on ineffective protests and start answering the hard questions—like Charlie Kirk does—if they want to win minds and elections. The duo also dives into a heated text exchange John had with an anonymous liberal critic, exposing the hollow fury behind many progressive talking points. Plus, Andy delivers a compelling analysis of the “Big Beautiful Bill” and its implications for GOP strategy. If you care about Colorado politics, winning arguments without
SPEAKER 11 :
This is Rush to Reason. You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you’re scared. And you’re scared because if you try and fail, there’s only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes. With your host, John Rush. My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job done.
SPEAKER 08 :
You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life. That there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush, presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and I want to continue on with our last conversation. I don’t want to go a lot further with this, but Andy had said something at the top of the hour you all couldn’t hear that I wanted him to repeat on air, and that is, you know, if we’re not going to protest… because we feel like there’s really no positive outcome. And again, folks, I’m not telling anybody what to do or not do. All I’m simply saying is, A, don’t expect me to be at one. B, I don’t find them to be that effective at the end of the day. For the time, energy, effort, organizing power, everything that goes into making one of those things happen, I just feel like all of that energy, effort, money even, because money gets spent. I used to tell my kids, nothing happens for free. The air you breathe has a cost to it. Right. Because there’s a mortgage going on. There’s a gas and light bill. There’s on and on and on we go. Nothing is free ever. So no matter what anybody ever says, nothing’s free. It’s one of the first things I taught my kids. Everything has a cost. So all of this cost that goes into a protest, if you took all of those resources and put them towards actually winning and putting the right candidates in place and making real changes at the Capitol and so on, would we be further ahead when it’s all said and done? That’s my perspective. And when it comes to, you know, especially here in Colorado with protests and so on. Now, Andy and I at the top of the hour again, we were talking and a great example of how to turn a protest into something productive is what, Andy? Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 15 :
Here’s what really angers me. When we do protests and we do these chants and yells and chants and all those kinds of things, the people around who watch it, they feel uncomfortable, they don’t like it, and they don’t like you. And it’s not persuasive. What does Charlie Kirk do? Charlie Kirk, you know, and now he’s very famous, now he’s much bigger than this, but he became… He wasn’t always. No. He became famous by going to college campuses, he’d set up his table, and you know… Yeah, a little bit of a stage. He’s got his microphone. He’s got microphones out there for the crowd. And liberals could come up. They’d always go to the front of the line, and they could shoot questions at him. And, of course, he makes them look very stupid, and they become very funny videos. But more than that, he was answering hard questions.
SPEAKER 12 :
Being persuasive at the same time. And by the way, doing it in a way where it wasn’t a yelling match back and forth. Sometimes they would yell and Charlie would say, listen, hang on tight. You don’t have to get all uptight here. We can have a normal conversation. Let me ask you. And by the way, he would usually go something like this. And by the way, let me ask you. And he would throw a question at him that they either could or couldn’t answer.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And he would challenge them with this. And he’d also hear them out. He’d listen to them. Absolutely. I remember, John, after I became a Christian and I went and studied for the ministry, one thing I really realized very quickly is a lot of these people, even though they were studying for the ministry or they were working in churches, They weren’t reasoning with people to help them find the faith in Christ. So for a moment, I want to set aside the GOP and think about Jesus.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Just because it’s a good example. Sure. Okay. It doesn’t matter, folks, if you believe in Jesus or not. I’m talking about marketing here, okay? Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which applies to everything, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which applies to everything. I would see these people, and they tried to socialize people into the faith. Okay? Basically, have the big teen events, have this, have that, the great feelings.
SPEAKER 01 :
The gatherings.
SPEAKER 15 :
The big gatherings, and the music, and wow them into the faith, and all this kind of stuff. Basically, use everything but Jesus to draw people to Jesus. Okay? And what I would tell them a lot is I would say, guys… These people have really hard questions. How about answering their really hard questions? Let me give you a few, okay? I guarantee you all of them are wondering, how can a loving God allow bad things to happen in the world, okay? A lot of them are wondering, what about evolution? We’re being told that we evolved out of the slime. How can you tell me there’s a loving God that can, okay? Another one, miracles. How can you believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead? How can you believe in this? And by the way, Charlie Kirk speaks on a lot of these things, too, by the way.
SPEAKER 12 :
He does.
SPEAKER 15 :
And what I found early on in my Christian faith, because I came the hard way, right? I came out of atheism and I came through a lot of scientific thought. A lot of fellow Christians were bringing their questioning friends to me. Hey, talk to Andy on this and so forth. And I would help talk to people and I would hear their questions. Folks, the Republican Party is the same way. You’ve got people out there right now saying, look, this person’s in need. Why is it so bad to have those who have so much, the rich, pay a little more in taxes so that we can help this person in need and get them some food and get them on their feet again and take care of them? And they’re talking about redistribution of wealth and they believe it’s actually a good thing. Do you have answers for that? Yeah, we can bring on Jersey Joe and he can walk you through how actually that’s a complete scam and the rich are paying well beyond their percentage. And you and I can talk about that as well. But most Republicans can’t. John, here’s my problem. The vast majority of Republicans right now have absolutely no ability to do what Charlie Kirk does. And I’m not saying you have to be as good as Charlie Kirk. Nobody’s saying that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Pick a few things that you can.
SPEAKER 15 :
Pick a few things that are your issues. He, of course, does all issues.
SPEAKER 12 :
He does them all. Because he’s really smart and can’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s brilliant and he’s done it for years. This is what he does. And you and I can do a number of issues. But folks, if you don’t have a number of issues that are very important to you, that are special to you, do I have to be able to answer all questions? No. Your questions, your tough questions. If you can’t answer these tough questions on immigration, that’s a big issue right now. then you are not an evangelist for the GOP.
SPEAKER 12 :
I agree. Andy, it’s another comparison.
SPEAKER 15 :
And if we have no evangelists for the GOP, I guess I got news for you. A bunch of protests are only going to anger people. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, the other comparison I would use, it may be a little cheesy, but I think it’s a good comparison. You know, what I do on Saturdays with Drive Radio, which is very nonpolitical, all car-oriented, and what I typically do is take the emotion out, because a lot of people buy and drive cars emotionally speaking. They don’t really look at it factually. In fact, I always tell people never buy a car on a Friday or Saturday night, especially a Friday night. You’re tired. You’re worn out. It’s been a long week. You’re going to go in there and buy a car that at the end of the day you really didn’t need. On and on we go. But on Drive Radio, what I really try to do, Andy, is to get people to think through. A, I’ve either got this problem. How do I fix it? Or I’ve had this problem. I’m looking to buy this car. I’m trying to do this. I’m trying to do that. I’m trying to be maybe, I guess you could say, Charlie Kirk on the car side to answer all of these different questions, get people to really think for themselves. Am I even driving the right car? Am I doing the right things? Am I maintaining it correctly? Can I save the most money? All these different things. And you’re having to answer, in a lot of cases, all these questions that are coming in. and be convincing at the same time so people really can think through that whole process and at the end of the day make decisions for themselves on, hey, what should I be driving?
SPEAKER 15 :
John, I had a guy, a plumber, who came out to our place. And you could tell, by the way, he leaned conservative. I could tell. But we didn’t get into politics, but he was just talking about, okay, here are some options of what you can do, and here are some bad options. But the way he walked through it, he sold it. Right. And he understood the questions that I might have. And he was very persuasive. And he did a great job. He retired, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s what we as a party should be doing, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. OK, every single Republican out there. Here’s the thing. The Republican Party is full of people who are everywhere. Right. We are in the schools. We are in the churches. We are in the businesses. We are in the communities. We are in everywhere. And guess what? We’re totally incapable. Of winning debates, sharing our faiths, answering the tough questions. When we hear tough questions, here’s what we, especially in MAGA, do. We get mad.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which is what the left does, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
The moment we hear those questions, we write these people off. You hate Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, don’t do that. Don’t get mad. Because literally, folks, you act like the left. I have a story I’ll share as soon as we come back here in a moment that happened to me early this morning, proving my point that when you get mad, nothing comes of it. You just make yourself look really stupid at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because, John, your anger doesn’t sell.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. We are back. Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. So let me just share a little bit of where I feel we have to be careful on our side to not do things that the left us. So I got up early this morning. I usually do, but had other things to do around the house and some things I needed to do outside. And it was kind of a nice, cool morning. So I thought I’d get some things done. And I get text messages early sometimes from, you know, Business boys, different things going on, family, whatever. Sometimes you guys will send me a text message early in the morning on the text line. But this one came in to my personal number, which is odd because I don’t give my personal cell phone number out. So somebody out there on the left, you probably know who you are and you’re probably listening, figured out a way to get my personal cell phone number, whatever. Not that big of a deal. Fine. Whatever. Came on the personal side versus the text line. And this is the this is the first line. I can’t read it all out loud because the FCC won’t allow us to do that. But this is the first sentence I got this morning at 7-Eleven. Your BS radio station sucks. USA is sick, rotten and evil. Trump is a lying scum. And my immediate answer back was glad you enjoy it. Yes, that was my exact answer. Now, in the meantime, I sit down and I’ve got a program, a website that I belong to and subscribe to, where I can take a phone number, plug it in, and in a lot of cases determine who is this. And or it’ll tell me, is it a burner number?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which there’s a lot of. So this one I did really quickly before I sent my next response back, because it was, in fact, a burner number. And I said, and you’re a coward. This is me talking. You’re a coward for using a burner number. You are a scumbag. Yes, I said that. I dare you to come on air and say this to my face, you loser. So the next one came back. Hardly. Who could enjoy your ridiculous BS? Oh, I know you dumb Fs, a.k.a. Republicans. Enjoy my awesome text. USA is disgusting. Lock up scum Trump. Scum Trump. Make USA less sick. Never has been great. Okay, before you move on, notice how they always come up with an excuse to not engage. Correct. Well, then I go on to say, as I said, come by and say this to my face, you never will as your side is a bunch of cowards that hide behind burner numbers and keyboards. Right. To which he then said capitalism, again, deflecting capitalism in the planet is destroying evil economic system that needs to die. F oil and gas.
SPEAKER 15 :
All he’s doing is reeling off talking points. What you said mattered not to him. Correct. It didn’t even matter.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I came back and said, it’s the best thing that ever happened to this planet. You would not be communicating the way you are without it, you moron. because he wouldn’t be.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, your burner phone was made with oil. Okay, just so you know.
SPEAKER 12 :
So anyways, this goes back and forth, back and forth. I actually offered him a one-way ticket out of the country that I would pay for if he decided to leave because he hates the USA so much, which he did, or he or she, it could be a woman, I have no idea, but this person did not take me up on that. Right. And by the way, this went on and on and on before I finally said, listen, I got other things to do. And by about seven, by eight o’clock. So I texted back and forth with this knucklehead for about 50 minutes and finally said, OK, I’ve had enough and I’m on to other things I need to get done for the day because I can’t just sit and talk to this knucklehead. But here’s my point. The majority of his text messages back to me was him yelling, swearing. You could tell he was screaming, upset, mad. Bottom line, not doing anything on my side to convince me of anything he’s talking about. So you all on your side, on our side, I should say, if you’re a conservative and you don’t have really good, solid talking points to make your point, don’t. Because you’re going to sound just like this guy. Right. Literally going to sound just like this guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
You are going to sound like this guy. I don’t know how many times, John, and this is really uncomfortable, and I’ll bet you’ve had to do this too, because you don’t go online as much as I do, but where you are seeing a fellow conservative get eaten alive and you have to jump in and save them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, sometimes that happens here.
SPEAKER 15 :
And tear apart the person who’s eating them alive.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct, because they don’t have enough of their facts to be able to live on their own. And stand on their own, I should say.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, because all they want to do is basically shout Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And shout their feelings, their conservative feelings, but they can’t back it up. They can’t do the Charlie Kirk thing. So they’re getting eaten alive, so you’ve got to swoop in.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s all this guy, by the way. I’m pretty sure this is a guy. I don’t know for sure, but… Essentially, that’s all this guy is doing. He’s shouting out all the damn talking points. Right. Everything from the environment to capitalism is bad to oil and gas is bad to, you know, you name it. On down the line we go. And, you know, oh, by the way, Israel’s bad and we shouldn’t be doing anything when it comes to Iran. I mean, all that goes through this particular text string back and forth. Even though I’m giving him talking point after talking point, there’s never a solid response. to what I’m coming back to him with, including if you hate this country so much, I’ll buy you a one-way ticket out. And, oh, by the way, here’s the only deal, though. It has to be a third-world country that you move to since you think capitalism, oil, and gas are so bad. John. You get my drift there, by the way?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, totally.
SPEAKER 12 :
And or one with a king, I should have said. I missed that part, Charlie. I should have said, yeah, and one with a king.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. John, what do you think is the strategy of somebody like that? Are they simply trying to occupy your time? No, they’re mad. Okay, take a step back. Okay, number one, they know they’re not convincing you. No. Number two, they’re not engaging on the debate, so they’re not reasoning with you. You’re literally saying a point, and they’re literally going off to their next talking point in rage. They’re mad. And just putting it with rage. They’re mad.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re mad. They’re mad. And they’re venting. And I guess they think that some way, somehow, at the end of the day, they’re going to somehow make me feel bad for them being mad, I guess, Andy. I don’t know. You’re a liberal. I don’t know. You tell me why they do what they do. I don’t know. You’re not a liberal. I meant to say you were raised a liberal. Past tense! You were raised a liberal, so you tell me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, okay, well, basically liberalism, okay, let’s take a look at that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Liberalism is all grounded in the desire to control others.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which is what they were trying to do with me here. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It is driven by rage at its core.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, you were enraged.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you could tell this person was enraged.
SPEAKER 15 :
You are enraged. You want to control others. Every single thing that is put forth by liberals is designed to control other people. And this is why I always say, because people say, well, why are you a Republican? Why are you a conservative? I always say the same thing. I want to control my own life, not yours. That’s what makes me a conservative. That’s what makes me a Republican. That’s where the clear line is drawn between the two sides. If you are a liberal, you want to control my life. Not just yours, okay? You want to control the lives of others. Look at education, obviously, right? If you are for school choice, then you want to control your own kids’ education, not everybody else’s kids. If you are against school choice, then you want to control everybody else’s kids’ education. You see how that goes. Okay, getting back to this guy. So he is letting loose with his rage. Obviously, he’s not controlling you. So when you find that you can’t control and your whole goal is control. then all you have left is to lash out in rage.
SPEAKER 12 :
More rage, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. You lash out in rage because of your incredible disappointment at not being able to control outcomes. Yeah, I can see that. You see, this guy, here’s what I mean. Let’s say this guy’s name is Fred. We’ll just call him Fred.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, Fred.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, Fred is perfectly free right now to live in any way Fred wants to live.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. In any country Fred wants to live in.
SPEAKER 15 :
If Fred is a transvestite, he can be a transvestite. Right. He wants to control other people. He just lost an election. He’s very upset. The country is not going his way. Right now, Fred is not controlling people. And when your entire goal is to control others around you, and that’s the only way you can feel purpose? and then you can’t do it, all you have left is to lash out in rage. Am I making sense?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and as I read through the rest of this, because we even get into the Second Amendment and different things and so on, and again, because he’s going full circle on all the things he wants to stand on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
And at the end of the day, yes, Andy, all he did was just literally throughout the entire time run on rage, knowing he’s not going to convince me of anything. And in this case, I think he just got madder and madder and madder.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the big difference with the left and the right in their rage, the left lashes out in rage when they can’t control. The right lashes out in rage when they are being controlled. Okay. And remember during COVID, we did lash out in rage.
SPEAKER 12 :
We were enraged. Absolutely, we did. Rightfully so.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, rightfully so. Now, obviously, I believe that my cause is just. But this is what it always comes down to. The people on the right lash out. You’re not letting me carry a weapon so that I can defend myself. You’re not letting me speak freely on Facebook. Remember back when you couldn’t? Now it’s loosened up quite a bit. You’re not, you know, you are canceling me. You are doing this to me. You are controlling me. In no way, shape, or form, think about this for a moment. In no way, shape, or form were you controlling Fred. Right. How have you controlled Fred in any way, shape, or form?
SPEAKER 12 :
Maybe when I asked him if he needed a one-way ticket, I’d buy him one.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know why? Because you’re going to make him fly coach. And that was very controlling.
SPEAKER 12 :
You don’t care about Fred. And I did specify it had to be a third world country, which he had no response to, by the way. Fred didn’t respond to that.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, Fred did not. But do you see what I mean? Fred wants to control people and he can’t, so he’s lashing out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Why did I say that? Well, because anybody that is this bent… against oil, gas, capitalism, and so on, I would not buy them a one-way ticket anywhere but a third-world country where things haven’t developed like they live today, and they’d get a real quick education on, wow, I guess it’s not so bad back home.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, you’re freeing him. You’re caring about Fred. You want to liberate him from the trappings of oil and gas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Of oil and gas, and you can’t get that in another first or second-world country. Right. You’d have to go to third world country to be able to really understand that, Andy. Absolutely. So that’s my theory. That’s why I went and said it had to be a third world country.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, obviously Fred is a lunatic.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, that’s a given.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, to wake up in the morning, I guess maybe Fred woke up on the wrong side of the bed, too.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but here’s the thing. Fred doesn’t have to. I mean, obviously, there are things in his life, plastics and so forth, that have oil and gas in them. But, John, Fred, as much as possible, is free to live free of oil and gas. He doesn’t have to use any of it. But he wouldn’t be texting me if that were the case. I know that. But work with me here for a moment.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, gotcha.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nobody is controlling Fred. Well, that’s true. He is being offered a product, and he can choose whether or not to use it. Now, he is choosing to use it because he’s a hypocrite, but at least he’s free to choose not to use it, correct? No, you’re right. Fred’s problem is that everybody else can use oil and gas. And that’s what angers him. Why? Because Fred wants to control everybody else. Once again, I’m a conservative. I want to control my own life, not yours. I’m a liberal. I want to control your life, not mine. OK, I want to control everyone’s lives, not mine. If I can only control my life, I don’t feel purpose. I feel purpose by impacting and controlling those around me. So Fred is angry that you have freedom.
SPEAKER 12 :
Your freedom. I guess so. But this is what I mean.
SPEAKER 15 :
Your freedom enrages a liberal.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re right. No, again, Andy. That’s why it’s an illness. All I can ever do is just sort of – some people would say, well, does that really bother you? No. Text messages like that don’t do anything to even – rile me up doesn’t change my blood pressure yeah it’s more entertaining than anything and i probably entertained this guy longer than i should have because i had other things i needed to get done this morning which i ended up getting done anyways but you know he he did he did um succeed in wasting a little bit of my time i guess if there’s anything he did that was successful it was that
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but the difference is you’re getting fodder for a show.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that’s true. He’s getting a lot of good content for this afternoon. That’s true. That’s show prep. Good point. Yeah. Good point. It wasn’t all wasted, let’s just say that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I’ve gotten great show prep wasting time with wacko liberals.
SPEAKER 12 :
Going back to… My original point with all of this was, for those of us that are on our side, and I know there’s a lot of you that listen. Some of you don’t always agree with everything I say. That’s fine. As I said earlier, we’re never going to agree on 100% because two humans can’t because somebody’s lying if they say they are. It’s just not going to ever happen. So I’ll get somebody even that will call and say, John, I agree with you about 95% of the time. Actually, you’re probably lying. There’s probably more like 80. Because no two people even agree with one another 95% of the time. Because there’s too many other things that come into play where you’re just not going to agree with that particular thing that was said.
SPEAKER 15 :
Jeez, I don’t know. I think we’re in the 95 plus range.
SPEAKER 12 :
In some cases.
SPEAKER 15 :
We have our disagreements, but they’re so rare.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, true. Although… Again, just point being, for all of you listening, you’re never going to find somebody you agree with 100% of the time. And that includes our party. And when we start going down that political line of electing candidates and so on, it even gets worse, because you’re really going to find people that maybe have a real bent for A, and you’ve got a real bent for B. And depending upon what your bent is, and depending upon what district or what area you’re from and what you’re in, your B bent, quite frankly… Might not even get that person elected if they run down that bent. In fact, it might be the worst bent they could ever run down.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, tell you what. Am I right in saying it that way? You’re absolutely right. That’s why after the break, I would like us to apply this to the big, beautiful bill and what they’re doing with it in the Senate.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Okay, after I went through my little diatribe there of what happened at 7-Eleven this morning and so on. And I don’t know. Somebody said, is it a chat bot? Honestly, I don’t know, folks. I finally got to the point where it’s like, okay, I’ve got other things to do. I was actually out in my shop working early this morning when all that was going on. And I’m just like, yeah, I’ve got better things to do now.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it’s a person, and I wonder if Fred is listening right now.
SPEAKER 12 :
He probably is. Yeah, probably. Wouldn’t surprise me. Anyways, apply this to the big, beautiful bill. Okay, well— Some of what we were talking about, I should say.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, what we’re talking about is, you know, just because somebody only agrees with you 80% of the time, that doesn’t make them your 20% villain and enemy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Your enemy, right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay?
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right now, the Senate is sending back to the House the big, beautiful bill with a number of changes in it. And I’ll just list a few really quick here. The SALT deduction, to me, is the big one.
SPEAKER 12 :
And explain what SALT is to everybody listening.
SPEAKER 15 :
SALT is state and local taxes. Okay. And the idea is this. The SALT deduction means that you can deduct your state and local taxes from your federal taxes. Use it as a deduction against your federal taxes. Which means that the higher your state and local taxes are, the bigger the deduction you get from your federal taxes. What does that mean? That means that blue states that have very high state and local taxes… are going to get to write off a lot more than red states, which have very low state and local taxes. Ergo, red states are paying for blue states. Right. So that means that red states are winding up. We’re kind of in the middle tax-wise, Colorado is. It doesn’t affect us that much either way. No. But you get a little to the left or the right of us, and it has a big… Basically, what it means is this, John. Florida, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, these places are paying for California and New York and Illinois. Right. And they’re helping pay for those states. Just because a state is run very poorly, they shouldn’t be able to write off those higher taxes. Okay. Now… In the previous bill, under the first Trump administration, and Biden had actually kept this in place, the SALT deduction was capped at $10,000. Okay, you can only write it off up to $10,000. All right. The House bill expanded that all the way to $40,000. Why? Why? Because we have a number of Republicans who are in very purple districts in places like New York, California and Illinois. And they want to and Pennsylvania, by the way, and they want to be able to get reelected. New Jersey as well. OK, and I’m talking probably we’re not talking four or five folks. We’re talking probably 30 ish. OK, who are in these tough districts and those districts, if they don’t come back to those districts and say, hey, I helped you out. I helped you rob the rest of the country. They’re going to get voted out. It’s that simple. And so they brought it all the way up to 40,000, which I think is ludicrous. Now, the Senate bill cut it. Now, I was thinking that they would find a middle ground, you know, 25 grand or whatever. They cut it all the way back to 10. What does this mean? If they were to put that through, you could take those Republican congressmen in the House of Representatives and basically just write them off in 26. They’re going to lose. OK, because the Democrats are going to come through and say, see what he allowed to happen to you. I would have had that thing up at 40. I would have gotten you that big write off because you deserve it. OK. Here’s my problem. And I listened to Rand Paul today for about 20 minutes on another show. And I love Rand. And I agree with him on so many things and what he has to say with the budget. But in that entire 20 minutes, Rand never said one word of how, because he said the things that he is demanding. For instance, there can be no increase in the debt limit. Okay. Rand, I’m sorry, but that’s not feasible. I don’t have time to go into it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Not going to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
But there are other things, too. And like the salt limit. But at no point did Rand even once say how he would help these Republicans get reelected. Because, Rand, I got news for you. If they don’t get reelected, you’re going to have a Democrat House and you’re not going to get anything. I mean, that’s reality.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and really quick, I’m going to dub you into that because there’s some out there that would say, okay, whatever, burn it all down. Let’s say we don’t have power and we lose power. We’ll get it back two years later after the other side comes in and gets everything done what they want to do and screws everything up. Man, that’s a big risk, folks. No, no, no. That’s a big risk.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because in that time, they’re not just going to put through a bunch of things that they like. They’re going to seize a lot of power.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it’s going to make them harder to get out.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s the thing our side forgets.
SPEAKER 15 :
And they’re going to buy a lot of votes with that money that they redo. See, here’s the thing. These people who think that, they’re thinking like Republicans. Well, so what? They’ll just get their way for two years, and it’ll be so bad, we’ll come in and sweep in. Here’s the problem. When Democrats get their way, John, they redistribute a lot of money and buy votes. Right. Look how they tried to pay off the student loans of kids. That’s right. Which is ludicrous. It’s their own loan. OK, exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I want to make sure I’m clear on that, because there are some out there. There are people out there on the Internet, talk shows, et cetera. They will basically say something to the effect of, you know what? Doesn’t matter. We need to burn it all down. You know, in this particular case, Rand’s right. You know, we get everything we need to get done right now. We get everything handled. We get things squared away. And OK, so we lose some seats, you know, the next round in 2026. We’ll make them up in 2028.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, John. Well, let’s see here. How many years has California been a one-party state?
SPEAKER 12 :
For my lifetime.
SPEAKER 15 :
Has it turned around in the next two years? No. Whoa! What are you telling me? Are you telling me they’re wrong? Guys, when you give them that kind of power… And you can say the same thing about Colorado.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. I mean, it’s been this way now, heavily blue for, what, the last decade, roughly?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and we’ve gone… You and I have gone off and gone off and gone off about the terrible things they’ve done at the Capitol here in Colorado, right? Yeah. Okay, are we going to win now? No, we’re not going to win now. Okay, do I think we can win a couple seats back here, here and there and start to turn things around? Yes, we do it right. Yeah, hopefully. But that’s going to take doing things very well. But overall, has it persuaded people because they’ve lost so many freedoms? And so many things have been taken away. The gun laws are absolutely ludicrous. And the trans law is absolutely ludicrous. Oh, is that going to shock everybody and they’re going to come running to our arms in 2026 here in Colorado? You tell me, John.
SPEAKER 12 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. In other words, folks, you’re wrong. If you think, oh, just burn it all down and it’ll come back, you’re wrong. California has been burned down 20 times over. It hasn’t come back.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, in Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
Is Vermont back?
SPEAKER 12 :
No. And here in Colorado, folks, and I’ve talked about this a ton, so has Andy, we have to have a really serious, solid game plan when it comes to even candidates that we’re going to run in certain areas. Not nationwide. I’m talking locally here in the state of Colorado. And where are we at with that? I don’t know. Those of you that are out there, you might be more privy to some of this information with the current leadership in the Colorado GOP. I’m not privy to anything. I don’t know what we’re doing. I don’t know how we’re handling that. I don’t know how we’re moving forward in those areas. You know, I hope we are. Let me just say this. The Last administration we had was more worried about themselves and jockeying for their own position, which is even true to this day, because you see where Dave Williams is at right now, which I told everybody all along, by the way, what his ultimate goal was. And I’m going to remind all of you that I was dead on right. as far as how all that worked out. He only cared about one thing and one thing only, himself.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
And all of you guys that are quote-unquote supporters of his, where is he now? Is he here to help each and every one of you move along in your daily lives, or is he off to D.C. doing something else and basically told you to pound sand when it’s all said and done?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
He got a cushy job doing nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
He will achieve nothing in that job.
SPEAKER 12 :
I told all of you that were quote-unquote close to him that he was only in it for one reason and one reason only, and I’ve turned out to be extremely correct in all of that because he screwed all of you. Right. Literally. Literally. Anyways. Outside of that, where are we going? Folks, I don’t know. We will do as many interviews with the current leadership as we possibly can. Where are we going to head in that regard? We’ll have to find out because I don’t have any inside information when it comes to that and how we are prepping folks to actually win races. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, and getting back to the big beautiful bill and the Senate and what they did, and they did, I could list them off. You know, it would just bore you. Okay, there’s a number of things.
SPEAKER 12 :
There’s quite a few things that actually went into change.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there’s some things I really didn’t like that they did. They actually made it more liberal on clean energy credits, which really angers me. But the bottom line is this. A lot of what they did, if the House tried to put that through, we would lose the House. Okay? They’re not being a team, John. They’re not being a team. They’re only looking at their constituents. And I’m saying, look, guys, you don’t understand. When you’ve got a football team goes out on the field, all those players, you know, who shows up in the stands a lot, they’re friends and family, right? They’re out there. What if each player was just playing for his friends and family, not for the team?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you don’t win.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, you don’t win. You’ve got to be thinking about the rest of the team, okay? And the GOP is not thinking about the whole team right now in this budget process. They’ve got to do that every single one. I want Rand Paul to answer this question. Rand, how do you make sure that these Republicans in those districts, not in comfy Kentucky like you, but in those districts, how are they going to get their seat back because we need them? And none of them can answer that, John.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, Andy, they can’t. And nor will they. No. Because they don’t have an answer to that, by the way. Well, I shouldn’t say that. You know what their answer is? What I just said earlier. We don’t care. If we burn it all down, we get what we want. At the end of the day, we’ll come back and we’ll have a successful round two as we go around, you know, as we come around the next time. That’s exactly what Rand Paul would tell you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And his supporters, you know what they’ll say? Because I debate them. They’ll say, well, then it’s just a slower death instead of a faster death. May as well have the faster death.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right? That’s the dumbest thing ever. Talking about the budget. That’s the dumbest thing ever.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. So all you’re going to do is give me a slower death. Big deal. What good is that? Well, it’s a chance to win in the meantime, you moron.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we’re back. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and article out of 9 News today, which I thought dovetailed into what Andy and I have been talking about very well, because if you want to be a politician in Colorado, if you’re going to be a politician in Colorado, these are the things, frankly, that I feel you need to be talking about on your campaign trail, not some of the other things that our side gets, and I feel like we get off track on. And I’m sorry to say that. Yes, I do believe in politics. in all of our First Amendment rights, Second Amendment rights. I believe in the life at conception and all these different things. I believe in all that wholeheartedly. Although, if I was going to run my campaign, those would not be on the forefront of what I would put on my website or my talking points or anything along those lines. Yes, I would have them there, and yes, everybody knows where I would stand on that, Andy, but this, for example, are some of the things that I would be talking about. There’s an article in Nine News today talking about how much money Do you need to live comfortably in Colorado in 2025, according to a new study? So they break this down. Every state, how much money do you have to make as either an individual or as a family to live comfortably in Colorado? Knowing that there’s a lot of folks out there, Andy, that are most likely below that threshold, and they’re not able to live comfortably. So if I were a politician, I would be running on – listen – I want to do things in your life, Andy, that will make you more prosperous at the end of the day. I want to reduce regulation. I want to make it to where it’s easier for you to go buy a house. I want to make it easier because of this thing that we just talked about earlier to where you’ve now got builders that have to pay extra taxes so that there’s this fund, by the way, set up for homelessness and so on. I mean, low-income housing, but you get my drift. I mean, I would be talking about those sorts of things that affect people on a day-to-day basis, frankly, not what happens in the womb. Yeah. Am I wrong in my thought process? No, you’re right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, getting back to the homelessness and the low-income housing, taking that money for that, I would look at it like this. I want you to choose what charities to give to. Right. Okay? I don’t want your money seized to where somebody else chooses to give it to the charities they want. I like you being able to choose what charities you give to. Right. I don’t want to control your charity. And then I ask them, do you want to control other people’s? Because when I say, I don’t want to control your charity, I want you to choose what you’re… And they’re all… And the young people, well, yeah, that’s great, great, great. Do you feel the same about me? Or do you want to control a charity? You see, because if I’m coming in and building in downtown Denver, and I build just a few homes and you take 70 grand from me so you can give it to… You can buy votes and build a bunch of low-income housing. Right. What have you done? You have directed my charity.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Really quick, in Colorado, this is coming out of whoever did these stats. As an individual, to live comfortably in Colorado, it’s $105,955 a year. I believe a family of four to live comfortably in Colorado, it is $273,000. That is a big number, by the way, Andy. That’s a very big number.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how would you sell it? I mean, what would you say? I want to lower this. I want to make this more affordable or raise your incomes to where you can reach this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, there’s several things going on in Colorado, Andy, that I would want to address. Now, granted, I’m only going to be one politician. There’s only so much I can do in Colorado. I only get the opportunity to run two bills. But I would be doing things that I would directly put money back in your pocket. For example, in Colorado, we have excessive property taxes. It affects everybody’s monthly payment because most people escrow their property taxes and insurance. We have two of those that are extremely high in Colorado, insurance and property taxes. First things first, I would work on as much as I possibly could to figure out a way to lower property taxes. And by the way, that can be done. through the budgeting process when it comes to our school systems, because about 75% of your property taxes are going right into the school system, which, Andy, by the way, there’s an extreme amount of waste. Yes, everybody’s all for education, educating kids and so on. But at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is more of that money is going to the admin end of things than it is to even the teachers that are teaching your kids. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
I want the money to go toward teaching your kid, period.
SPEAKER 12 :
To all of that. Yes. And I’m not trying to brag, Andy, but that stuff’s just rolling off the tongue, and a politician running for office needs to be able to do the exact same thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, John, it’s a very intriguing idea. So you come out and say, hey, family of four costs you $273,000 to live in Colorado. Okay. I’d like to lower that. Here’s how. Here are the things, or you can simply say, here are a few examples of what’s making that number so big. Correct. And that gives you, because you first shocked them up front with the number. Right. Okay. Now, here’s a few examples of what making this that big. Yep. Here’s what’s making it that expensive. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You think it’s okay to have these property taxes be this high because of what it does for schools. That’s helping make that big. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And oh, by the way, our test scores along those lines, I’d have those at the tip of my tongue. Here’s our test scores in Colorado and what we’ve actually gotten for these increases in property taxes and extra funding that these schools are now getting.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the bang for the buck is not there.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you just roll through all. And again, these are the things that I would just have memorized. So you can just roll these things off of your tongue. So as you’re talking to somebody on the campaign trail, off you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so what if every Republican candidate in the next election was equipped to do this? Hey, just so you know, a family of four needs over $270,000 a year to make it here. Let me give you a few reasons. He has three to five ready to go. Yep, rolling right off. And you can do it and say our percentage is like the fifth worst in the nation here. It’s the third highest in the nation there. By the way, our crime rate and the number of cars that are taken per citizen is the highest in the nation. Number one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Colorado’s crime is number one.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. That’s part of the cost of living here.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right. Because that drives up insurance costs.
SPEAKER 15 :
And just say, bottom line, it’s too expensive for you to live here. That’s not fair.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m going to try to fix that for you. I will do my very best to fix that for you. Can I have your vote?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And what did you just say about social issues?
SPEAKER 12 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 12 :
By the way, that last phrase, what I just said, very few politicians do, and it’s called closing the sale. I asked them for their vote. Can I have your vote? If you don’t do that, don’t go on the campaign trail.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m being straight up honest, folks. If you can’t ask somebody for their vote directly, don’t go on the campaign trail.
SPEAKER 15 :
But John, everything you just said, that person could be gay. I know. A gay liberal. And you know what they’re hearing? Yeah, lower my cost.
SPEAKER 12 :
This guy’s going to make my life better. Yeah, go for it. By the way, that would be my motto. I’m here to make your life better. Yeah. Not worse. And easier. And easier. I mean, folks, this isn’t that complicated. That’s what’s so frustrating to me about some of the things that we do as a party is we try to complicate it, make it a whole lot harder than what it actually is, because we want to get off on all of these tangent issues, which they’re great issues. Abortion, it’s a great issue. I get it. Second Amendment. Great issue. I’m a huge Second Amendment fan, as you guys all know. I mean, all these different things that we can get into. Yes, I am there. You guys have heard me talk for a decade plus now on those issues. I’m right there. But that’s not going to win you an election. Not in Colorado. It just isn’t, folks. That’s the brass tacks. It’s not going to win you an election.
SPEAKER 15 :
People want more money in their pocket. They want more lanes to drive on.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was going to say traffic was going to be my other one I was going to put in there as one of my three-legged stools. The traffic has to be a big deal.
SPEAKER 15 :
People are infuriated.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re tired of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re tired of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
You drive on Broadway downtown where they’ve taken lanes away so they can make more bike lanes that are empty.
SPEAKER 12 :
Literally, traffic in our road conditions would be a huge topic that everybody can relate to in Colorado. If you drive on our roads, you know how bad they are.
SPEAKER 15 :
The only votes you won’t get are the leftist extremists who like it that way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And one of the other things I would throw in, I know we have a few seconds left here, is, but Andy, you know, by the way, did you know that RTD, which is our transportation district, you know, regional transportation district, did you know they have a higher budget than all of CDOT, Colorado Department of Transportation has?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. CDOT is maintaining the roads you drive on. RTD is maintaining the buses you barely use.
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We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, that’s it for Andy and I. Thank you all so much for listening. Hopefully that gives some of you that might be thinking about running for office a few ideas. We’ll continue to talk about that. Believe me, we’re not going anywhere. I’ll be back tomorrow. Have a great night, though. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
