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Dr. Bruce Everett of the CO2 Coalition joins John Rush and Andy Peth to expose the costly myths behind “green” energy. From a booming 5,000-well oil and gas project in Wyoming to the untapped reserves crushed by bureaucracy, this episode is a firestorm of facts on energy, subsidies, pipelines, and politics. Everett explains why the U.S. could fuel generations with natural gas—if only the government would step aside. Plus: an unfiltered takedown of ethanol, solar, wind, and the ideological war on fossil fuels. Also featuring lively listener calls, insight on the evolution of auto efficiency, and even a pop-culture
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All right, Hour 2, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Dr. Bruce Everett joining us now. He is a board of director from the CO2 Coalition. Dr. Bruce, welcome. We normally have Mr. Wrightstone on with us, but you are filling in, and I am sure you will do a fabulous job.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’m delighted to be here, John and Andy. Greg is a good friend of mine. He’s done a great job. He’s a great scientist.
SPEAKER 04 :
We always enjoy having him, by the way. Try to on a pretty routine basis. Now, we’ve got something going on, and our signal goes all the way up into Wyoming, so this will fit in perfectly. I’ve got in my notes here that Trump is ready to move forward with a 5,000 oil well and gas project in Wyoming, which, by the way, benefits a lot of our listeners that are in that area. But Colorado is, well, actually the whole nation, I should say, Dr. Bruce. It’s fantastic. It’s fabulous.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the United States, John and Andy, has huge energy resources. And one of the things that we’ve been fighting in the CO2 coalition is this nonsensical idea that we ought to limit our fossil fuel production because of carbon dioxide. This makes no sense at all. You know, 50 years ago when I started working in the energy industry, U.S. oil production was on the way down, and people thought that would continue. And we didn’t realize, first of all, how big our resource base was, and second, how good our technology is. All the government has to do is get out of the way, and the industry will develop all these areas, all these resources, and all the government needs to do is to make sure that the infrastructure is available to move it where it needs to be.
SPEAKER 08 :
Dr. Everett, now that the industry has leaped forward in its technology with all the fracking technologies and so forth, and it can reach in to where oil was previously not as easily, you know, let’s face it, not as easily found. Could we be looking at an oil boom? Because you’ve had, let’s face it, bad leadership hold us back, hold us back, hold us back, hold us back. And in the meantime, the industry was developing great technology. drilling tactics, are they ready to just go nuts?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let me put it this way. For the last 150 years where the oil industry has been in existence, every year in the United States, we find more oil than we use. Right. And the reason for that is technology outstrips depletion.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, you can’t guarantee that that’ll always be true, but it’s always been true in the past. My personal view is do not bet against technology. Now, let me just tell you this. When I first went to work for Exxon in 1980, our management didn’t think that the oil market could be in balance in the year 2000 at a price lower than about $200 a barrel. Really? In 1980?
SPEAKER 04 :
So 20 years later, they were thinking that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, in 1980, they thought that by the year 2000, you’d need $200 a barrel. Wow. By the year 2000, it was much lower than that. Yeah, yeah. And what they got wrong was they didn’t understand the power of their own technology.
SPEAKER 04 :
There you go. There you go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry to interrupt. This is like Al Gore predicting 20-foot high waves crashing over California.
SPEAKER 04 :
In their defense, to your point, Dr. Everett, we didn’t have the technology then that we have today, fracking and the ability to pull oil out of the ground like we have now. And now that we have that, of course, it has changed things immensely. And again, I was not in the oil and gas industry. I’m a car guy, come out of the automotive industry and so on. And I will say in 1980, I didn’t know much about that end of things. I had a good friend of my dad’s that was a core sample driller that would go around to different areas of the country, taking samples to determine what was down there and what kind of oil can we extract and so on and so forth. And that was about the extent of what I knew, Dr. Everett, when it came to that. But… You had to believe, though, and this is where I struggle a little bit with this, is you had to believe that, wait a minute, technology, even in 1980, was far better than it was in 1970, which is far better than it was in 1960. So why wouldn’t you have been led to believe that it would continue to move forward in that area even in 1980?
SPEAKER 03 :
Depends on how big a bet you’re willing to make and how conservative you want to be. When I was teaching, gentlemen, I always told my students, don’t bet against technology. It’s not a good idea. Let me make another point, because we have a very big oil resource base in the United States that we’re in the process of developing. But we have an even bigger natural gas resource base.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the difference here is that once you find commercial quantities of oil, you can pretty much move it by ship, by truck, by barge, by rail.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Gas requires pipelines.
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Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we’ve been living in an environment for many years now in which all kinds of constraints are put on our pipeline production. Now, I live in Massachusetts, and the state government here tries to block natural gas from coming in here because they want us to use windmills and solar to power our homes and heat our food and our hot water, and nobody wants it. So we end up paying very high prices for natural gas when it’s very cheap on the Gulf or in Pennsylvania.
SPEAKER 04 :
And correct me if I’m wrong, because in your area, too, don’t you also still use heating oil in a lot of the homes to heat the homes, whereby gas would be a much better alternative? Or am I wrong in that?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, that’s absolutely correct. And anybody that’s changing out their furnace… who has access to natural gas, will almost always switch from heating oil to natural gas. It’s a better fuel, it’s cleaner, and it’s cheaper. If we unlock this through decent government policies, which we’re now starting to see, then the American people are going to have abundant oil and gas at a low cost, not just for our grandchildren, but I believe for our grandchildren’s grandchildren. I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
Dr. Everett, I mean, you guys are still using heating oil up there. I had no idea. Does your flag have 13 stars? I’m just curious, you know, because we’ve kind of moved ahead of that. Let me ask you another question because it’s going to be incredible what we’re opening up in Wyoming. I think there’s going to be an oil boom there. What about the president’s aspirations in Alaska?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think as long as the president opens these federal areas to exploration, the industry is going to know what to do. And by the way, I have a special spot in my heart for Wyoming because I lived up in northeast Wyoming for two years working in the coal industry. And Wyoming is one of the best places in the United States to get into the resource business. So it’s an automatic place to pick. If you want to start developing additional resources, whether it be coal or natural gas or oil or even uranium at some point. So I think the president’s got the right attitude. We’re not going to stop fossil fuel production in order to stop carbon dioxide emissions, which cost the American people a lot of money and carry no benefit at all. And we’re going to open these things up so that you and everybody else has abundant, cheap energy for the foreseeable future. I’m very optimistic about this now because I think the American people’s eyes have been opened on this.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was reading, Dr., in fact, my son and I were talking about this just last week before I even booked you to come on and talking about what’s going on in Wyoming and so on. I just was doing some research, and this is at current levels, current rate of production. So to your point, we continue to find more. We continue to improve our ways of producing and so on. And currently right now, the United States of America has enough recoverable natural gas to last roughly 86 years, and that’s without finding anything new at all. That is a huge amount.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely, and people get confused. When we use the term reserves, that usually means the amount that’s already been drilled and we know is there. Correct. We use the term resources to mean all the stuff we haven’t found yet. So the reserves are kind of like what you have in your pantry. And people kept talking for years, well, if I run out of food in my pantry, I’m going to starve to death. No, you won’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’ll go buy more. That’s right. Just a thing called a store. Well, in this case, to your point, Dr. Everett, we find more pockets. We find more deposits. We improve our technology to retrieve those particular pockets and so on. I mean, us in Colorado, if there’s anybody that should know how this works or folks that live in Colorado, because we’ve been using fracking and things along those lines now for quite some time, and it’s helped our state. If we’d had the right government here in the state, we’d even be better off –
SPEAKER 03 :
long term fortunately wyoming does and they’re going to reap the benefits of that and they’re prepared to do it too if you look at the other end of the spectrum gentlemen in new york state for example there’s a lot of gas resource in the western part of the state it’s forbidden by state law to develop it and why is that because those are largely poor republican areas out in the state and the state is run by the people in manhattan they think this is they don’t like this But if you allowed those resources to be developed, the people in the western part of New York would be thrilled. They’d get some economic development, and you’d have more northeast gas to spread around to New England and New York. It’s there.
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I’ve got one question really quick. Just really quick, jumping back to the pipelines, just to make sure that, and maybe you know this answer, maybe you don’t, Dr. Everett, but on average, you know, what does it cost today? Because even the pipeline technology has improved greatly from what it used to be. On like a per foot or per mile basis, what’s it cost to put a pipeline in now versus what it used to?
SPEAKER 03 :
It costs probably a million dollars a mile.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Some years ago. Is that all? Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, a thousand miles, that’s a billion dollars.
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Right. Good point.
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But, you know. But real quick.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, sorry, you recouped that pretty quick. You do. And typically, and just, again, make sure that I’m following correctly. Typically, you’re going to, unless you’re exporting, you know, liquefied natural gas or doing something along those lines, you’re only piping it to where your general uses are. So wherever your big city is or maybe some of the surrounding rural areas and so on, you’re not necessarily pumping it from California to Washington, D.C. Am I right in my thought process?
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re absolutely correct. Normally, what we have is big trunk lines, which is, say, three feet in diameter.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
It can move long distances.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know exactly how those look here in Colorado. Yep.
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And they go to the city gate, and they’re divided into smaller pipelines that reach various neighborhoods. And then the pipes come down your street and into your house. You know, I think there’s a funny story that I always tell my students. The father of the American pipeline industry was Nazi Admiral Donitz. Because at the beginning of World War II, we were shipping our oil around the coast in tankers, and he sent his U-boats over to sink them. So we said, we better not tolerate that. So we started to build these big pipelines in the interior of the country. And we now have a very good system, but it needs to be expanded. And you can’t allow people in New York to say, okay, you can bring it here, but no farther.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Good point. Great point. Go ahead, Andy.
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Last question, and it’s a moral question, okay? Because you were talking about Western New York and how New York is holding them back. Let’s talk about Western United States, more importantly, California. Isn’t it immoral for a state – to block off the incredible oil resources off their coast for the rest of the country. I mean, isn’t this a federal issue? Isn’t this, to me, it should be a federal issue. It should be, because you’re actually coming, when you hold back the energy for America, you’re making us less safe.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you’re absolutely correct. And what makes this even worse is California’s highways are clogged with automobiles using gasoline. and they don’t like refineries, and they don’t like oil production. They want someone else to do that for them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I think that makes your moral point even stronger.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, very good point. Great point. All right, Dr. Everett, thank you. It’s always a joy having you guys on. I appreciate it very much, the work that you guys do at the CO2 Coalition. How do folks follow you?
SPEAKER 03 :
If you log on to co2coalition.org, There’s a wealth of information there. You’ll find all Greg Wrightstone’s books. You’ll find all the articles written by our 200 members. And there’s a learning center for kids. All the information you need about this is there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Awesome. Put that into my notes, as we always do. And, again, we appreciate you guys being a regular guest of ours. I learn so much every time you guys are on, and you’re just a wealth of information and really giving the truth in a way that I think everybody can understand, which I appreciate greatly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, thanks for having me on the program.
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You’re very welcome, Dr. Bruce. Thank you very much. Have a great rest of your day, and we’ll talk more about that. I’ve got a few more things I want to add to that. I’m sure you do as well, Andy. We’ll come back and do that. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next, 35% off the first three windows. If you do four or more, it’s 40% off. Call Dave today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive this is John Rush
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Adding a couple things into what we were just talking to Dr. Bruce Everett about. And I would encourage you to go to the website, check things out, get Greg’s book if you would like to. A lot of great information in there. There’s some things in there that I don’t know that I’m completely bought into that they are in regards to, for example, how old the Earth is and is the Earth actually warming and so on. But bottom line, we’re all on the same page with what to do with energy and how to communicate.
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The resources that are on the earth right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. How to combat some of the knuckleheads that are out there that think we should just shut all this stuff off.
SPEAKER 08 :
Before you run on, quick question. I mean, seriously now. Hypothetically, what if tomorrow America took all the green energy and burned it to the ground?
SPEAKER 04 :
We’d be ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And I mean, windmills. I’m fine with solar for residential use. I’m talking for mass use of solar.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the big solar farms are a joke.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Solar farms, windmills, which I hate, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Me too. They’re ugly. I destroy them all. They’re so unsightly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And the worst thing of all, ethanol, okay, to me, which is the worst thing created since Adam fell.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. If we were to get rid of those three things and replace them all with oil, gas, coal, and nuclear, what would happen to America’s economy?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it would most likely improve, although I will tell you that in some cases, for example, on ethanol, ethanol gets a bad rap for what we actually get out of it, and it shouldn’t be sold as an alternative. Is it a nice source of additive to – and some car guys are going to yell at me for saying this, but is it a nice form of additive to raise octane and do some things on the – Fuel formulation, absolutely. But for what we get out of it versus what it takes to produce, it’s a waste.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s the big problem, John, with what you have to put into making it. I mean, I got news for people. With your oil and your coal and your nuclear and these things, you don’t have to plant these things. You don’t have to grow. You don’t have to weed, water, plant, grow, harvest, smash, and break them down into your fuel. No. Okay. You don’t have to grow your fuel. No. Okay. When you have to go through all those steps to have to grow your fuel, that is the most wasteful process. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s unbelievable. For all the greenies that are out there that, you know, talk about loving the earth and the water and on and on we go, you should be 100% against ethanol.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah. And by the way, the amount of water you have to use for solar is crazy. John, for regulating it. John. I believe that if we made that switch, our economy would absolutely boom. Do you have any idea how much we are holding back our economy with all the money and resources and land that we are putting into sustaining these idiotic systems?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is. It’s flat-out ridiculous.
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Unleash all that with real energy.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s no proving that we’re wrong in the things that we just said in the amount of time, space. I’ve said it for years. The oil and energy that it even takes to build solar panels and windmills and so on, you are not net ahead. And this whole—I didn’t get into this with Dr. Bruce because it doesn’t matter, but I will now. There is no such thing as carbon neutral, folks. That is a fallacy. That is something that the left throws around as a saying, and it is impossible to be carbon neutral. There is absolutely no such thing. It’s the biggest lie imposed upon mankind ever.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, I once saw it put out, and I didn’t see all the facts behind this, but I believe it’s probably true, that you could cover Wyoming, top to bottom, two-thirds of the state. with windmills, and you would generate the same amount of energy as one natural gas well that takes about a couple acres. I wouldn’t doubt that at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Dan in Blackhawk, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
A couple things. I know you grew up in Colorado, right, John?
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so remember our brown cloud in the 80s, how bad it was?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yes, very much so. And really quick, for all of those that would be a naysayer against Dan, what you’re going to say next, let me remind everybody it was half the population then as it is now as well. Let’s not forget that, Dan.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so the point I’m making is the cars are more efficient. They’re more— They don’t produce as much emissions as the cars were back in the 80s.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not even close.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. So the people that say that it’s bad, it’s like the technology on automobiles keeps improving every year. And so I don’t say we’d get to zero emissions, but the emissions are going to be less and less as technology advances. And so our brown cloud, I know we do have some bad data. It was in the 80s. You know, I remember you couldn’t even see the buildings in downtown Denver some days. It was so bad.
SPEAKER 04 :
I remember as a kid, you know, being up in the West End, you know, Groton Boulder, and looking towards Denver and seeing the brown cloud at that point in time, Dan. It was very, very clear, by the way, that that was there. And until the wind came along and we had some sort of an event to blow that east to Kansas, it was just there, as you know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I grew up in the Columbine area down south, and it was the same way. You couldn’t see it. So there’s that. And then also on the ethanol, the cars don’t run as efficient, so you end up burning more fuel. So what’s the point?
SPEAKER 04 :
The only reason why, and this is just to make sure everybody’s clear, again, as conservatives, I want to make sure we have our facts straight so when you’re talking to somebody else, we know what we’re talking about. Ethanol does burn cleaner. Its emissions are even way lower because it’s alcohol. You’re burning alcohol. It’s People don’t realize this, but the only reason why ethanol, even if you get it in its largest form, E85, for example, the only reason why it’s 15% gasoline is so you don’t drink it. It’s just grain alcohol. It’s all it is at the end of the day. You could literally drink ethanol in its purest form because it’s essentially booze. It’s 100 proof plus booze coming out. That’s all it is. And so they add the gas into it to make it E85 just so people don’t drink it. But when it comes to… The cleanliness of the fuel and how well it works and so on. There’s a lot of people that hate ethanol, and I get that because even the old guys with the carburetors and so on, ethanol alcohol is hard on fuel systems and seals and things like that. So that’s why it was really tough on the older cars. We’ve gotten way past that. All that’s gone. New cars can run it no problem.
SPEAKER 08 :
I hate everything it takes to make it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s the biggest issue, Dan, is it’s just not efficient to make. But I want to make sure that we’re clear. When you talk about ethanol, it’s not a bad fuel in and of itself. It’s what it takes to get it that’s bad.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s how much production. Like, doesn’t it cost more to make than what you get out of it? Typically, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
If we weren’t subsidizing it as taxpayers, it wouldn’t exist. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s simple. And that’s stupid. Just like the windmills… The solar farms, that’s all being subsidized by the government, which that needs to go away. It needs to go away. We shouldn’t be subsidizing something just to feel good about ourselves. Look what we’re doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
And even AI, really quick, I typed in, would ethanol exist without subsidies? And this is the AI answer. This is the AI answer, okay? Not anybody’s opinion. This is just what AI gathers from around the Internet. It is highly unlikely that the current scale of ethanol production, particularly corn-based ethanol in the United States, would exist without subsidies and mandates. So there you go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and by the way, you’ll hear people say, well, oil companies get subsidies too. It’s different. No, it’s way different. They’re not just getting massive checks given to them for doing this, and they don’t have people getting massive checks to buy their product like we do with EVs. No, folks, oil companies are writing off their operating costs up front. They’re allowed to do that because they’re— Yeah, there are massive costs up front for launching these wells and so forth. But after that, guess what? The oil companies are the ones paying huge taxes that pay for everything else. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
And before anybody comes back and says, well, there’s other forms of ethanol. There’s the cellulose style where they can use – algae and different plant-based things and so on, you know, way different than what we’re doing with corn. And I’ve had some experience with some of those companies when I had my stores back in the day, Dan. There were some guys that were in that space, you know, really on the cutting edge trying to make all of that work. And reality, Dan, is they don’t exist today because while that sounds all great and glorious and wonderful, it just doesn’t work.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and I remember back in the 80s, I don’t remember. know what the show was, but there was a guy in England with methane to run his cars.
SPEAKER 04 :
Methane’s a whole different world. That’s more like natural gas versus ethanol. And you could do that. We have a lot of methane that comes out of our gas wells. Of course, it comes out of areas where we have had old landfills that are decaying and so on. Methane is very abundant as well. That’s just a whole different platform when it comes to the vehicle running it.
SPEAKER 10 :
And how about hydrogen?
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s another one where, you know, I know we’re kind of off the vehicle end, but this is okay. This is a great topic because hydrogen is another one that’s really hard, and I know there’s a lot of folks out there that would love to see it work. The problem is the refueling, the infrastructure for it, the way the car itself has to be built, and so on. The reality, Dan, is it’s still cheaper to put gasoline in the car and run it off of an ICE engine or a diesel engine than it is to do anything else at the end of the day, and this is where the hybrid technology comes in. It’s not close. Yes, and they’re not even close. This is where the hybrid technology has really come a long ways because now you can take an electric motor and a battery and the hybrid that’s actually charging that battery. You’re not plugging in. You’re using the gas engine to actually do some charging, and you get regenerative braking and so on. That’s why the hybrids have taken off so well because it’s sort of that— combo of a plug-in ev versus a gas engine you’ve got both now working in unison if you would and that’s why hybrids have come along so well and and i’ll just be straight up honest as a car guy they work extremely well you can’t knock them yeah i agree did i lose you no and one last thing somebody’s going to say why aren’t we just running cars off natural gas because once again the infrastructure how should i say this I watch people. Why should we? Well, really quick. I watch people pump gas at the pump. If they had to go fill up a tank with natural gas, game over. They’re not smart enough to do that. It is a whole other level of what you need to do when it comes to filling up a natural gas tank versus a gas tank. Not even close to one and the same.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, but John, also, why should we have to? We have a great product. It is called gasoline. It works incredibly well. Gasoline is one of the most incredible inventions ever. In history.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is, but the only reason why you would want to is, again, on the car side, your longevity of said engine and the components of and so on increases using natural gas, for example. It’s why a lot of the larger trash companies and buses and so on, they all run a mixture of natural gas along with the diesel, and they get a lot better lifespan out of their drivetrain, if you would, because of doing so, because of how much cleaner natural gas is versus a petroleum-based fuel, diesel or gas.
SPEAKER 10 :
The thing is the technology, I mean, if we keep developing the technology, and that’s the thing, let it happen naturally. Correct. Thank you. And we’re going to get the best, I don’t want to say alternative fuel, but we’re going to come up with the best way for us to supply energy to our country. The government being involved with subsidies is only hindering what can be done with the technology. I mean, we have two schools here in Denver. One’s called the Colorado School of Mines, the other one is CU Boulder, and they have phenomenal engineering departments. Let those students learn and build on the knowledge we have, and we’re going to end up with a better energy source or energy production than we have in the past. I don’t know why these green earthers or whatever don’t understand that process.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because they’ve been, really quick, Dan, and I know Andy can chime in on this, because the answer is they have been brainwashed for so long to not understand some of the basic things that even we just went over in the last five minutes on this program. They have no basic understanding of the things that we just talked about.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, it all comes back to this, John. They believe man is a virus on the planet.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
And therefore, anything that is best for man, that brings greatest lifestyle for man, is thereby evil and must be stopped. And therefore, you’ve got to look for any kind of problem that comes from it, like smog, for instance. And rather than using, like Dan is saying, these geniuses at these schools… to help lower that and lower that and make it better. Instead, you need to use it as the excuse to get rid of what benefits man.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then direct us toward idiotic things like solar panels.
SPEAKER 04 :
Somebody just texted and said, where’s all the protesters out at the windmills protesting the birds and the eagles? They don’t care. Where are they at protesting those because of the damage they’re doing to wildlife? Yeah, to Andy’s point, they don’t care. They claim to, but they don’t care.
SPEAKER 08 :
And by the way, all those people, they know what those… It’s not like they have no idea and they live in ignorance. They know they’re killing birds left and right and wrecking flight patterns. Absolutely. Definitely.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re cutting in and out of me.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
And we are back, myself and Andy and John and Cheyenne. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 11 :
Excuse me. A couple of things. On the natural gas vehicles, back when I was working for Brooklyn Union Gas, the city of New York spent a ton of money to build a bus garage to, and we were pumping a bunch of gas, And they were going to convert all the city buses to natural gas. And in theory, it was a good idea. But the time difference to refill all those tanks and what they did was kind of smart. They put the tanks on top of the buses so they were up out of the way. But to fill up those tanks to run those buses would take seven or eight hours that you’d have to have that bus off the road to, you know. You could fast fill, but then when they cool down, you know, you’d lose some of your pressure. You know that, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, really quick here before you go on. Couldn’t they just rotate them out?
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, like it’s really expensive when you do that. Then you got twice as many vehicles.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, but it’s not twice as probably 16 hours a day. You know, and they run 24-7.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you’d literally have to double – to do that, to do that method, which – good idea, Andy. But, yeah, you’d double your fleet size, not cost it. Somebody asked a moment ago, you know, we learned years ago that the efficiency of natural gas when it came to an actual engine and the improvements of and so on was great. Why don’t we have more of them? John is explaining it as we speak. It’s the infrastructure side of it. And, John, and I’m not trying to be mean here, but – Filling up a vehicle with natural gas isn’t for the faint of heart. It’s a completely different process than putting gas in your car. And I’ll just say this, John. I watch enough knuckleheads at the pump as it is. There’s no way they’re doing natural gas. It ain’t happening.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and I know that when I were at the field units, they bought the entire fleet. They said, we are a gas company. We’re going to run our vehicles on natural gas. But they had to build the infrastructure, and then every night most of the service trucks would come in, and they’d hook them up and have them on a slow fill, and in the morning they would fill up. Well, if somebody forgot and they had a mechanic, that’s all he did was go around and connect everything up safely because he was getting paid good money. But if somebody forgot or it didn’t get filled, they had a fast fill pump. But you’re right. That was a little on the scary side to watch some of these guys do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, great. Again, people are asking, why don’t we do more of this even right now? It’s simply a matter of the infrastructure end of things. Andy mentioned something during the break that we didn’t talk about yet on air, and that is just the entire vehicle, the design of, where the tank is placed. I mean, you’re talking about something that, even though gasoline is very volatile and can explode and so on, it is not near what natural gas is as far as what you have to have to transport it around on a portable basis. Way different.
SPEAKER 08 :
Put all the tanks on top, and as soon as you have a hailstorm, they all explode.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, they built the tanks pretty robustly, but even in an accident, John, as you know, yeah, could you theoretically rupture a tank and have that thing just go sky high? Yeah, you could theoretically, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
You could. If you had the spark in the right mixture, sure. But here’s the other thing. My wife looked at this years ago when she was looking for a new truck, and Dodge was making dual fuel out of the factory or Ram. But it was like $14,000 more than just a regular ICE engine. And if you do the math, what’s the recovery on that?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s not. You’ll never get it back. It’s not. Yeah, you start doing the math on that. And that’s where even for a lot of you that are listening where you look at some of the trash trucks and the bigger companies that are running around that will say, you know, powered by natural gas. Keep in mind, John, and you know what I’m going to say next. All of those companies are getting big rebates from Xcel Energy and us as taxpayers from the feds to be able to do that. Otherwise, again, honestly, it’s not cost effective if they didn’t have all of those rebates, including even what it takes to build the infrastructure at their own fleet shop to do so.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Then they shouldn’t have it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m not arguing that.
SPEAKER 11 :
You’re correct. Again, subsidies. I’m looking at the wind farm. That’s southeast of my house. And one of the things, unintended consequences, you know the coyote population has increased around wind farms?
SPEAKER 04 :
I did not know that, no.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know why? Dead birds? Exactly. They don’t have to hunt as hard for food because they have learned that if they go under the windmills, they’re going to find a bunch of dead birds almost on a daily basis.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 11 :
The other, it was last year, this one happened. If you drive 80 between Cheyenne and Laramie, right as you leave Cheyenne, there’s wind farms on both sides of the interstate, north and south. And I’m driving, I drive that stretch of the road to go to work. And like twice, I’m glad I was paying attention that a coyote just shot right across the interstate. And if I wasn’t paying attention, I might have hit him. I had to go into the break a little bit, not bad. But you know what I mean, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 11 :
It was something you had to slow down for. And some genius said, well, why didn’t you just hit it? I said, because I don’t have $3,000 to get my front end fixed if I did. And that’s probably if you hit a coyote, it would cost you to get the damage fixed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, wait, was the coyote insured?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know, but he was carrying an acne box. The other thing, first section of the show you were talking about how bad movies have just destroyed the man. Andy, do you give James Gunn and this new DC Superman movie, The Benefit of the Doubt, that it’s going to be not destroying men? Because I don’t believe he destroyed the men in the Guardians movies.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. No, he didn’t, although it got worse as it went along. and no i don’t i’ll be honest i don’t give him the benefit of the doubt i’m hopeful i’m hopeful i do like the previews i think it looks very entertaining um but i i really don’t know i don’t know where he’s gonna go with it i really hope that james gunn is learning from what he’s seeing in the movie industry right now go woke go broke is i mean it’s no more prevalent than in the movies
SPEAKER 11 :
And here’s my last question on that. If you look at the Guardians of the Galaxy, they got worse. But what happened between, I think it was the second and the third one. Isn’t that when Disney fully took over Marvel?
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know the timeline there. I’m not exactly sure of the timing.
SPEAKER 11 :
But I know the last one came out after Disney took over Marvel.
SPEAKER 04 :
But they fired Gunn. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
So Charlie says they fired Gunn in between two and three.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. But didn’t they bring him back to finish three? Didn’t Dunn finish three?
SPEAKER 08 :
Charlie thinks they fired him after one, and that was it. I really don’t know. I don’t know. I only know this. Look, Guardians of the Galaxy, the first one was a five-star movie. It was a spectacular, spectacular movie. So funny. And by the way, both masculinity and femininity were on full display, and people were just as they are. And that went downhill as those movies went along. And now what we’re seeing with Pixar is they’re just killing themselves by taking masculinity completely out. You tell me, John, really quick here. If Pixar were to come out, I was asking John this earlier, I’m going to ask you now. If they were to come out and make a movie next summer that celebrates masculinity, you know, not a mean one. I’m talking in a good way, right? You know, and made something that was just not silly and feminized all over the place, but natural. How do you think it would sell?
SPEAKER 11 :
probably sell out. Because remember, and I don’t know if this has changed, but it always was, the target audience for movies was 16 to 25-year-old men. Has that changed?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it has not. And, by the way, that age group is voting for Trump.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, it’s just something for people to think about.
SPEAKER 11 :
The biggest show that a masculine movie would work over the last five years is Maverick.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, right. Great point.
SPEAKER 11 :
But, And did you see, Andy, that Disney released Snow White in extra theaters and it made, like, so little money that it was unbelievable?
SPEAKER 08 :
There was no one in the theaters. It was awful.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I mean, sometimes it’s nice going to a half-empty theater, but not when they’re, you know, for a crappy movie. And you had to sit through that mess, didn’t you?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I did. It was… You know, I didn’t hate Snow White as much as some people did. I thought it was okay. But, yeah, you could see the problems with it, and it was not good. And the big problem, of course, is that its lead actress was such a repulsive person offscreen that it hurt the movie.
SPEAKER 11 :
There you go. Well, you guys have a great rest of the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
We’ll do it. Thank you, John, very much. I appreciate it. Up next, we have Golden Eagle Financial in an interview that Al Smith did. We’ll be back right after that.
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This is TJ with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial here in the studio with me. Al and I were just talking about how in retirement he helps his clients to stretch the time in their retirement. Al, what do you mean by that? Tell us a little bit more about how time works in retirement.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, when you think about leaving the working world, you think about, well, it’s still going to take money to live on once I’m retired. And that nest egg, whatever that is, that’s going to permit you to do what you want to do with the time that you have sort of earned for yourself. So the nest egg is not only in dollars, but it’s also in the time that you have to do the things that you believe will be fulfilling in retirement. And when I have a conversation with people, I think it’s equally important to think about how they’re going to be spending their time as it is to accumulate a nest egg.
SPEAKER 20 :
You’ve got to have some pretty good examples of things that people do in retirement. So open the door for us. What sort of things can we expect?
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 20 :
How do people get in touch with you if they want to stretch that time out in their retirement?
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 20 :
Of course, as always, you can find Golden Eagle Financial on klzradio.com slash advertisers and get right in touch with Al if you’re driving and can’t write that number down. Al, thank you so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 19 :
You’re welcome.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
We are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. A few text messages coming in, some of you talking about how you even had family members that worked at Vestas, for example, and they were doing great guns while the subsidies were rolling along in the wind end of things, and then it failed and went under, and there’s a big wind farm graveyard up in Wyoming and so on. And, yep, there it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, you can’t have an industry that’s propped up by tax dollars. You can’t do it. Every industry needs to compete. It needs to compete for its money. Otherwise, you are just setting us up for bad times. And here’s the thing. All liberal ideas need tax dollars. You know, that’s not entirely true. I mean, you have liberals who have good ideas. Right. Starbucks. I mean, look at the empire there. That wasn’t built with tax dollars.
SPEAKER 04 :
True.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, true. You’ll have these liberals in their garage develop new computing systems. And that’s great. Right. But by and large, especially when you get into energy, none of their stuff. can work unless you do it with tax dollars. And here’s what really angers me about that, John, you are forcing everybody else to finance your activism. That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. Good way of saying it.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, one thing you can say, you and I are activists, right? We are activists in many ways. Do we make the taxpayers, do we make everybody else pay for our activism? No, we don’t. And that’s the difference between us and the left. And it really angers me.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. Yeah, we don’t expect anybody to pay for what we want to see done. We want the free market to do that instead, Andy. Right. Right? Yeah. That’s the bottom line. Yeah. We want the free market to do its thing. And I don’t need anybody, if it’s a great idea… The iPhone is a great example of that. Right. That was a great idea. Nobody subsidized that. In fact, they put their own deal together to where there were some subsidies. But by the way, that was all private. Apple put a deal together with AT&T to where AT&T was a service that came on the iPhone. AT&T knew they would gain all these new subscribers that were probably on other carriers. So it was brilliant on their part to agree to go ahead and do that with Apple. So they did some subsidies to bring the phone price down some if necessary. Because you were going to automatically have AT&T service. And they probably did the math, Andy, and figured, well, we’re going to get AT&T customers. They’ll probably have a lifespan of X, 5, 7, 10 years, whatever the average age. Somebody stays with a carrier and blah, blah, blah. And they figured out, OK, we can make this work. And guess what, Andy? The free market worked beautifully. Because then after that, once the iPhone came out and it was such a huge success, well, then guess what? Motorola started producing one. And the Android platform came out. And Google produced. Right. And and and it was the best thing ever. And it changed our world. It changed our lives. Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Competition made them drive each other.
SPEAKER 04 :
And government didn’t do anything to make that happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, not at all. Competition made them drive each other to making your life and my life better. Correct. Let me give one quick example.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead. You’ve got a minute. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. recycle bins you see in i i live in an hoa you do not you have a good life i have a bad life okay and then we have to have we have a trash can and we have our recycled can that we have Now, I know that that’s stupid, but I have to do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Why?
SPEAKER 08 :
It all goes to the same place. Exactly. But the people in our HOA, our HOA is run by Democrats. It’s run by liberal wackos. Yep. Which means what? I have to pay for their activism. Yep.
SPEAKER 04 :
Even though, at the end of the day, it all goes to the same transfer station.
SPEAKER 08 :
Totally. And I resent this.
SPEAKER 04 :
There was an article or a video I watched the other night on, this is California, mind you, and how bad they are about all the recycling and so on. In fact, they have situations out there to where if you don’t do it, you’re fined. And they literally took pictures of the same trash truck. All of the same things being emptied from every bin in public areas where everybody’s supposed to be separating, all going into the same trash truck, Andy, and proving our point consistently that it all goes to the same place. All right. With that, real quick, Cup Creek Heating and Air Conditioning. Up next, if you’ve got problems at all with your air conditioning system, give Cup Creek a call today. Find them by just going to klzradio.com.
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All right, we are back. Ben and Evergreen, hang tight. We’ll take you first call as soon as we come back. We don’t have any guests or anything coming up in the third hour. We’ll take you at the very top of the hour. Keep texting, folks. All of you that have been texting in, I appreciate it greatly. I’ll read some more of those as we come back next hour as well. 307-282-22. Myself and Andy, we’ll be right back. Hour 3 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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