John Rush welcomes Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, for a frank discussion on tax cuts, small business growth, and the myth of corporations paying taxes. They dissect the real effects of economic legislation, expose the hidden cost of tax hikes, and challenge the political fantasies surrounding the Epstein list. John also tackles conservative strategy, emotional politics, and why grinding it out beats waiting for a “smoking gun.” Packed with hard truths and strategic insight.
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All right, Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. We’ve got a special guest joining us now, Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform. Grover, welcome. How are you?
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I am peachy keen and better this week than last week and all sorts of excitement.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, so we had a conversation earlier in a 3 o’clock hour talking about the big, beautiful bill and things that are in it and some of the tax things that are there. And I’m a small business owner as well on top of what I do here, Grover. So there’s things in it that I’m excited about. I wanted to see some things really kept in. And I think for a lot of business owners, they were really worried about, okay, for example, what’s accelerated depreciation going to do? Are we going to have that in the future or not? It was being phased out, as you know, prior to now. And those are things that I believe are real big stimulants to the economy, especially on the small business side. I’m also like you. I’m one that I feel like any tax increases at the end of the day do nothing but have negative impact. And I don’t agree with the Congressional Budget Office on how much this particular bill will really cost when it’s all said and done, because the one thing they always seem to forget is how much economic growth you can get out of these sorts of things.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, absolutely. Growth is the goal. Growth is the reason for this tax cut. When we took the corporate rate down in 2017 from 35, highest in the world, United States. The United States, the capitalist, the free market country had the highest tax on business in the world. Communist China, 15, 25, and we were at 35. We were higher than France. OK, not stupider than France is not where you want to be on the on the chart. But, you know, we took that down. We got so much growth that we were raising more money from the corporate rate today than we would have if we kept it at 35 percent growth.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and the other thing, too, that along those lines is I’m glad you brought that up, because one thing I always remind everybody of is corporations don’t pay taxes anyways. They’re customers. We do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, there is no Mr. General Motors. No, you can’t find them. It’s not in the phone book.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 15 :
There are customers of General Motors who, when you steal a million dollars from General Motors and call it a property tax or an excise tax or a corporate income tax, that comes out of the people who buy cars. That’s right. The other place it comes out of is lower wages for the people who work there, because that’s 70 percent of What a company makes or sells is paid in wages. You know, they’ve got to build the car and buy the steel and all that other stuff. But most of it’s wages. So you take a million dollars out, how do you think they’re going to cut the budget? They pay people less or don’t give them raises.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. It’s one of several things, as you know. Don’t give raises. Don’t have other benefits. Don’t do as much as you could on health care. I can go down the list, Grover, as you know. That’s how that works. Don’t hire as many people. That’s right. Don’t expand. Don’t do other things. Don’t get into other markets. Don’t get into other projects that you might have wanted to do. I mean, there’s all sorts of things that, to your point, when you do the things that we just, you know, that Trump just signed in last Friday, it gives companies now solid footing and an idea of, oh, I can do this and I know what my outcome is going to be.
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And we actually have certainty. It will be decades before anybody tinkers with the tax cuts here. And they’ll have to have the House, the Senate, 60 votes in the Senate and the House and the presidency at the same time. Not easy to do. You can make an investment for a long period of time knowing pretty well, fairly well, that this is what the tax code is going to be. And, of course, we intend to make it better, which is why I’m awfully cheerful. As much as I like the big, beautiful bill, there’s going to be another piece of legislation just like this in terms of the rules, a A bill that allows you to cut taxes and spending a reconciliation package. Right. One in November and one in the spring. Speaker of the House just announced it the other day. He’d been telling all the congressmen this thing. Don’t get all pissy about what what isn’t in this bill right now. We’ve got two more bites at this apple. There are two more trains leaving the station. Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which, again, by the way, thank you for that reminder because I do think there’s a lot of people that get frustrated over what wasn’t in it or what got taken out. There were things in it, of course, and as you know, those things never come back down the pike exactly the way they leave. It’s just the nature of the beast and what it is. There’s going to have to be some adjustments and compromises that are made along the way. And to your point, we get this in other ways. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Maybe that’s what I should say, Grover.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. I’ve never skinned a cat. I haven’t either, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
I never have, but I don’t even know where that expression comes from. I guess I’ll have to look that one up.
SPEAKER 15 :
I, as a kid, boasted a false knowledge of how easy it was to skin a cat and how many ways there must be talking awfully easily about something about which I really had no knowledge whatsoever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, so what’s your answer to, because I talked about this again during the 3 o’clock hour, where one of the things that happened in the Big Beautiful Bill, which I’m not a fan of, but I also understand why it was done, and that’s putting the debt ceiling up another $5 trillion. I don’t want to see it increase $5 trillion, but I also know, Grover, that every time you come back in to raise it, It seems like one side of the aisle or the other, and one of them’s more for doing this than others, and that is they always sneak things in that as we raise the ceiling, oh, I’ve got to get my pet project done at the same time. This does eliminate that, correct?
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Well, because you don’t have to – yes, to get Democrats to agree to vote for a debt ceiling if the Republicans are in charge, and a handful of Republicans go, I’m not voting for any debt ceiling increase, so you’ve got to buy some Democrats – Buying Democrats is very expensive. Try not to do it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that one usually doesn’t work very well. And again, I don’t want $42 trillion in debt, but I also, Grover, don’t want to come back year after year after year to try to get things raised, knowing that there’s going to be some of that until things start coming into play with what you and I are talking about.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yes. Look, we’re going to get some serious growth out of this. The growth that’s expected, this should take us to 3% growth over the next decade. The lower rates, the faster depreciation, the permanency, the certainty of it. That increase in growth from where we are now, about 1.5, 1.8, that gets you up $4 trillion additional revenue beyond what you were expecting before. That growth, that’s how powerful growth is. $4 trillion simply by growing at 3% instead of 1.5%. It’s a big deal. It’s how we grew away from the debt after the Second World War. It was 100% of GDP. By the time Reagan got in, it was 20% of GDP. Okay? Why? Because we paid down debt. No, we didn’t pay down any debt. We just grew the economy to where we were bigger than the debt.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, that’s right. Yeah, good point. Great point. That’s a great way to look at it. Okay. So, and I don’t know where you stand on this, and just be honest back with me. Could you have a conversation with our Fed chair to let him know some of the things you and I are talking about so he’ll actually lower rates and even stimulate the economy even more?
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Certainly the president has been shouting in his ear that he might wish to do that. There’s some real questions on that. We’ve got some challenges, but We are working very seriously in Washington, DC, the administration, on making it easier for people to find and create and use energy. so that the cost of energy will go down. And we want to compete with China and Europe by having lower cost energy, not subsidized energy, real lower cost energy. We want to have fewer regulations, simpler regulations, less expensive regulations. We want permitting that doesn’t say it’ll come back in seven years and we’ll tell you if you can add a third lane to that highway.
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Good point.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because we’re not quite sure if the snails can make it across three lanes. And we need the lowest taxes. You do those things, we can compete on lower taxes, less regulation, better, faster permitting, lower energy costs, and have high wages. What the Democrats want to do is they like regulations, they like the big permitting, they like expensive energy, and they want to turn around and have us compete on lower taxes. Wages. Correct.
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In Europe.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Correct.
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100%.
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Grover, how do folks find you and find out more about you?
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They should mind their own businesses. Oh, I’m sorry. ATR.org is our website. I tweet at Grover Norquist and we have a podcast and we talk about all sorts of fun stuff there. But the website will give you a good sense of what’s going on. on tax policy, national and state by state. We work in a lot of states. You know, there are 12 states that are phasing their income taxes down to zero, in addition to the eight that are already at zero. So 15 years from now, we’re going to have about half the country will be in states that have zero income tax, and they are going to bleed out the states that have 15% in California and 10 or 11 in New York, those states. They’re going to have to do something else for a living other than be states.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah. Good stuff. Grover, as always, I appreciate this opportunity. I know it was short notice, but I appreciate you coming on and joining us.
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Thank you for the opportunity.
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You’re very welcome. Have a great rest of your evening. And again, that is Grover Norquist, and he is president for Americans for Tax Reform. Up next, Flesh Law. If you need help criminally speaking or civilly speaking, give Kevin a call today. He’s always there to help you, 303-806-8886.
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All right, lots of you texting in, by the way. Thank you, by the way. I don’t know if our signal goes all the way down there, but there is some flash flooding as we speak going on in New Mexico. Our signal probably doesn’t get quite that far, but if you’ve got folks or people that you know that are in New Mexico, just go look it up. There’s several different articles out there on it. Right now. And yeah, if you’re if you know anyone have any loved ones or any anybody that maybe went out Fourth of July camping, they’re still away, whatever the case. If you’ve got the ability to reach them, you may want to go ahead and and try that. Several of you texting into about, you know, the whole. Epstein situation, and if it didn’t exist, and why did Pam Bondi say what she said? Keep in mind, folks, this is how some of these things work. And I’m not her. I can’t speak for her, but I just know enough about how certain things work at certain times where I think it’s fair for me to say this. You could have all sorts of piles of things on your desk, things that have been set there, and now all of a sudden you go to an interview and somebody says, well, what about such and such? Well, I haven’t been through that yet, but once I get through it, I’ll let you know, which is essentially what she said. Now, it doesn’t matter whether somebody said you’re going to release the list or you’re going to release that or you’re going to release – it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, she’s saying it’s on my desk, and when I go through it, you’ll be the first to know. It’s not exactly what she said, but in essence, that’s what she said. And by the way, I – As a business owner, I have had situations similar to that where somebody has asked me about such and such, and what do I think about such and such, or can you get me such and such? And the answer is, well, it’s on my desk, and when I get to it, I’ll let you know. And then, by the way, you get to whatever it is you’re supposed to be looking at, and you’re like, this isn’t anything close to what was even supposed to be on my desk or what I thought was going to be on my desk. I’ve had that happen to me, and I am not her. You know, I am not at that same level. And I guarantee you, she doesn’t just have one or two documents coming across her desk on a daily basis. I’m guessing there are thousands. And she’s probably got people even working for her that are determining what order are we going to review some of these things in and so on and so forth. And I think where I’m going with this is cool your jets, folks, just a teeny bit. Cool your jets. Calm down. Calm down. It’s all going to be fine. And for those of you that were hoping for, praying for, wishing for some sort of grand, you know, indictments and so on coming out of this list, I’ve been telling you guys all along that I didn’t think any of that was going to happen in the first place. I really didn’t. I haven’t talked about the Epstein thing much, period. Somebody said, well, then why did he and Maxine get arrested? Then if there wasn’t a list per se that, OK, well, time out. What they did and what they were being accused of were completely separate from the list. And I’d have to go back in and even specifically look at what they were arrested for, but the list isn’t having anything to do with that. And there’s been all sorts of talk, call it conspiracy, call it whatever you want, talk around what really happened on said island. Now, keep in mind, there was all sorts of people that supposedly went back and forth to the island and everybody from Bill Clinton and so on. And again, folks, I guess my take on all of that is, like I talked about earlier in the 4 o’clock hour, I’ve never felt like much is going to come out of that anyways. I would rather concentrate on things that have a real effect at the end of the day, and I’ve never felt like that whole thing was going to be the smoking gun that we all as conservatives are looking for to try to then indict a bunch of folk on the left and hopefully have a change of pace because of that. In fact, here’s what I’m going to tell all of you. If that’s what you’re wishing for, you don’t understand politics. You don’t understand how the world works. If you’re thinking that there’s going to be some big bombshell that comes along that upsets the political apple cart, and that’s what gives us as conservatives a leg up, let me tell you, you’re not looking at it correctly. You’re looking at it completely incorrectly, by the way. In fact, what we should be doing is instead of trying to worry about that end of things, how do we beat them at the polls? How do we run better candidates than what they’re running? How do we win in the trenches? That’s what we should be worrying about, not what’s on an Epstein list. Sorry, folks. I guess that’s my business side coming out. In business, if you’re waiting for the big smoking gun to come along and make you successful, you never will be. If you’re waiting for the one big thing, the one big break that’s just going to make your business take off, no, you know what makes your business take off? Being in the trenches every day and working harder than the next guy. That’s what makes your business take off. Politics is no different, by the way. If we as conservatives are just going to sit around and wait for some big thing to happen, hoping that it’s going to knock that boat out of the water, take that ship out of the water, if you would, think again. It’s not going to happen. The only way you beat the other side is beating the other side. not wishful thinking that some big landslide whatever-whatever will come out and change the landscape of politics. Folks, if that’s what you’re waiting for, you’re going to die a long, slow death hoping that something happens. It never does. I’m sorry to say, because it doesn’t work that way. All of you that feel that way, I say feel that way, should know exactly what I’m saying because you’re smart enough to know that. And I think for me, what really disappoints me at times about our party is the folks that get so emotionally wound up in things, yet they’re very smart, intelligent, high IQ people, but you let your emotions run ahead of the facts. and of what strategy should be, and what it really does take to win. And folks, I can tell you, because I’ve been around people, I’ve coached businesses. I coach businesses, as you all know. And what I will tell my businesses on a daily basis is if you’re waiting for that one big sale to come along and make your year, it’s not going to happen. If you’re waiting for that one big break to come along and make your business happen, not going to happen. What makes your business successful and what makes you successful is grinding it out day after day after day and doing it better than the next guy. That’s what makes you successful. Politics, folks, is no different. In fact, I will tell you right now, that’s where the left is better than us. They’ve got a machine that they grind out on a daily basis. Right, wrong, or otherwise. And it is wrong. It is as evil as evil can be. But they grind it out every single day. Look what I’ve talked about today in regards to the response to the Texas flood. Do they grind it out every day? Absolutely. It’s on overtime all the time. Do we do that? Nope. Nope, we don’t. Now, in our defense, we’re not as vile as they are and we’re not going to do things the way they do, nor should I nor would I ever or would I ever advocate for doing it their way. I’m not saying that. But can we do a better job on our side of grinding it out and beating them on a, you know, election after election end of things? Absolutely. We can. Do we? No, we don’t. We fail all the time. And we fail, honestly, because, once again, we let our emotions run in front of us. For example, we’ll think, oh, you know, so-and-so, they’re just a great guy. Man, you know, I would love to have them as my candidate or as my representative or as my senator or, you know, whether that’s on a statewide level or a national level or they’d make a great governor, man alive, wouldn’t they do a great job? Would they? Would they? I don’t know. Would they? Just because you like them, would they? Would they? And so where I’m going with this is there’s a lot of times where we’ll even run candidates because our emotions say, oh, they’re a really good guy or they’re a really good gal. They’d make a great candidate. Would they? Would they? And again, we don’t strategize like the left does along those lines. All right, we’ve got calls coming in. We’ll come right back here in a moment. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. 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We are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Joshua in the Springs, go ahead.
SPEAKER 02 :
Hey, thank you for your time. I absolutely agree with the aspect of not really having high expectations of seeing a client list. The challenge I have is you mentioned strategically, politically, and how Bondi, you know, we all remember them coming out with the binders and things like that. And, you know, they’re on my desk. And you don’t lie, especially, I mean, this is chum for the Democrats. Because they’re like, well, they promised to give it out. The expectation was set. And I guess my challenge and frustration is not that we aren’t finding out who’s on Epstein list. And we know there’s a two-tiered justice system. There’s untouchables. And for Republicans to think that it’s only Democrats that were on the island, supposedly whatever happened. Right. is naive and ignorant.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 02 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 05 :
And this is the only thing that I wish that, and this maybe is a little lack of experience on Bondi’s part, but remember, Charlie just told me through the break, reminded me through the break that, you know, Kash Patel’s, Bongino’s, and so on. They have all looked at these same things and have come out with the exact same answers. And I can tell you right now that between Patel and Bongino, taking Pam Bondi completely out of the picture, I know those two guys well enough. I’ve interviewed both of those guys, by the way, on my own program here. I can tell you this. I don’t think they would be lying, Joshua. Did I lose you?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I’m here. I was hoping. I haven’t had that experience with them, obviously. But my concern is the fact that that’s what they were pushing on hard during the campaign. And by the way, I think this is where everything and deliver nothing after getting elected. But the fact that afterwards they kept on saying, well, you know, we have it on the desk. Oh, there’s terabytes information there. I just strategically and politically, that was a horrendous, like, just decision.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, here’s what I think happens to those individuals. This is my opinion. This is where I try to be very careful in never going down those same paths that, frankly, a lot of other talk show hosts and conservatives do, Joshua, and I do my very best to not go down them because they can come back to bite you. I think, this is my opinion, I could be completely wrong in this, but I think they got caught up Keep in mind that Cash very much on social media and all of that, Bongino, of course, having his own show and so on. I think both of them, I’m not so sure about Pam Bondi, but I can tell you those two, in my opinion, were heavily influenced by a lot of folks that they were around, listeners, followers, and all of that. So I think they had honestly, Joshua, bought in to the whole conspiracy that there’s this big list and we’re going to have all kinds of people going to jail once we find the list and on and on we go. that I think they bought into that hook, line, and sinker, and that’s part of what they ran on. Not ran on, but that’s part of what they were talking about before getting the positions that they got. And then they get in there and figure out. And, again, I’ve not been there. I haven’t seen it from my own two eyes. But I think they then get in there and realize, oh, crap, there’s nothing here. Now what?
SPEAKER 02 :
But the thing that got me is if they came in and said there’s no client list, it would have been like, you know, okay, now what? But the fact that, you know, the administration and key individuals that have clearance to see the information kept on, like, you know, stringing us along. That’s the frustration.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and here’s where I think, really quick, on the stringing along thing, here’s what I think on that, because I’ve had some other folks, some guests even comment on, you know, they wish Pam Bondi would do this, they wish he would do this, you know, wish she would do this, blah, blah, blah. And my feeling on that, Joshua, is I do think, and this is where I’m going to give them some credit, I do think they’ve been extremely thorough. I think the reason why they’ve waited as long as they have to not tell us there’s a list is because I think they’ve gone through, this is my opinion, but I think they’ve gone through to make sure that there isn’t, in fact, any list, any word, shape, or form buried away someplace. Somebody’s trying to hide it and so on. But I still go back to what Joe, caller Joe, and even Charlie has said all along. People talk. I guarantee you. that if there were high-ranking Republicans on an Epstein list, no matter what Democrat high-ranking officials were on there, you can bet yourself, Joshua, I can bet you a million bucks the left would have released that. Guaranteed.
SPEAKER 02 :
I hope you’re right. I just hope that there is accountability.
SPEAKER 05 :
Think about it this way. You know how the left strategically works and how they’re out to dismantle us on a daily basis. We’re seeing it right now with their response to even the Texas floods. The reality is they don’t care. They have no scruples. They’re as evil Joshua as evil can get. If they thought for one second— that Donald Trump or anybody close to him is on that list, don’t you think they would have released that under Joe Biden?
SPEAKER 02 :
You would hope. I mean, again, we know how political games start and happen. You would think so. Again, I don’t care if they’re Republican or Democrat. I just want accountability at the end of the day.
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I agree with you on that one wholeheartedly, especially in this particular case. I definitely would agree with you. Joshua, I appreciate the phone call, by the way, and I thank you for that. And, yeah, I mean, I’m with him. I agree. And, I mean, I think I’m one of those people that in the back of my mind, back of my heart, I guess you could say, do I wish there was a list? Yeah. Yeah. I’d like to know who actually was coming and going and what was going on and so on. But let me also say this. I don’t think a guy like Epstein, who is basically running a pyramid scheme, if you really want to get down to it. In fact, I think Charlie, I’d have to go back and see what he was actually arrested on. But isn’t that what he was actually arrested for? Don’t quote me. I’m going back now in time. And if you get a second to look that up, Charlie, let me know what he was actually arrested for. But regardless, guy’s not dumb. Now, maybe I’m naive in thinking this. But if I were him, would I have ever have had a quote unquote printed list? I can tell you right now I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t have any kind of a printed list that could be found duplicated. You know, I’d have some other way of making sure that I am quote unquote protecting my clients, which in this case they were. And I would be making sure that there was no chance of anything like that ever leaking out, that that would be how I would do it. And by the way, he’s smarter than me. Now, some of you would say, well, maybe he’s not because he got caught. No, trust me. Con artists, they’re smart. They’re not stupid people. You don’t build your own private island and hang out and rub elbows with billionaires and all these different individuals. You don’t get to that level by being dumb. conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking is what he was actually arrested for. Okay? Now, keep in mind, he never even went to the full trial and all of that because of the quote-unquote suicide while he was in jail, so it never got to that level. What would they have found out? I… I don’t know. Was he guilty of something? Most likely, or he wouldn’t have either been offed or committed suicide. And again, according to Patel and Bongino, he committed suicide. They watched the tapes. So supposedly, again, I’m going off of what’s being reported back, and what I can go off of, or what I have to go off of, guys, and I don’t know Dan Bongino personally, I don’t know Kash Patel personally, What I do know is I have interviewed both of them. They seem like very genuine individuals. Both of them have been in the public eye for a while. Both of them, by the way, have been accused of by the left for doing all sorts of things that turned out to not be true, by the way. Both of them have stood the test of time in relation to the left. Does it mean that they’re angels? Of course not. I’m sure they’ve got things going on in their world that is just like anybody else. Are they perfect individuals? Absolutely not. I do believe what I just told Joshua a moment ago, though, I do think this is where we as conservatives have to be really, really careful. You get caught up in certain things that are going on. And before you know it, you’re kind of you’re kind of running around thinking, OK, gosh, now how do I do damage control? Because what I really thought or what I had been, quote unquote, led to believe isn’t there. And it’s why I’ve never dug in deep on this program in all of the Dominion voting end of things, all of the stuff regarding Mike Lindell, Tina Peters, and so on. You’ve not heard me delve into any of that because, frankly, a lot of that, and some of you are going to disagree with me here, but a lot of that’s emotions and is led by that, I’m sorry to say. And it’s sort of that I know that, you know, smart people like Joe and Charlie probably have this term on the top of their head. But, you know, what’s that old saying? You know, they get caught up in the crowd, Charlie. You know, they get to believing what something is just because everybody else is pushing and talking about it. It’s sort of like a flood. You know, the flood is it’s going down and it continues to grow. It starts devouring everything around it all the way through. Almost mass hysteria, Charlie just said. Yes. And I, for one, I do my very, very, very, very best to never get caught up in that. And some of that for me, I think, you know, my dad, who now is in memory care, and I wish he could hear me say this, but can’t because he can hear me, but he wouldn’t know that I said it 10 minutes from now. Love him dearly, but he’s in memory care with Alzheimer’s. But one of the things he taught me growing up, and it sounds very negative, but it is something that I have stayed pretty true to. So when I was a young boy, one of the things my dad would tell me is, John, Bud, that was my nickname, Bud. Bud, believe half of what you see and none of what you read. Now, I know that’s an extreme, but his point was there’s a lot of things that you’re going to see in life that you’re going to think are real and that people will even tell you are, but until you really dig into finding out whether it is or isn’t, it may not be. So, in other words, don’t get caught up in the crowd. That’s really what he was trying to tell me when he said, believe half of what you see and none of what you read and you’ll be all right. And really what he meant by even half of what you see is this was even before the advent of video and AI and Photoshop and all of that. This was back when all we had were 35 millimeter or 110 cameras and you took pictures or Super 8 movies or whatever they were back in the day. But even at that time, I think what he was trying to say is because of the sleight of hand and even what can happen with magicians and so on, be really careful because some things may not be as they appear. And I have applied that to my life since I was a young man because my dad was really big on that. And maybe in some cases to a fault where I’m very skeptical of certain things because it’s like, yeah, I don’t know if I believe that. So in turn, and maybe this has suited me well for this particular job, I don’t just take something at face value. I mean, I’ll go out, and if I see it on one website, I’ll go out and research it and try to find it on several others. I don’t just take things at face value. And by the way, neither should any of you. And the problem we have, though, is in our movement, quote-unquote, we’ll find something that, man, that’s got to be true. If that were true, that explains everything. If we can prove that XYZ happened, then, man, it makes sense as to everything else that’s happened. So we latch on to those things. And we’ll even get certain high-profile people that will latch on to those things. And before you know it, there’s a lot of people inside of a movement that have latched on to something. And unfortunately, at the end of the day, it’s maybe not true. Or maybe a portion of it is only true. Not all of it is true. And when it comes to the election thing, I’ve said this all along. Is there election fraud in every election? Yes, because we’re humans. And there has been since the beginning of time. In other words, is there cheating in every election? Yes, there is. Will it ever stop? No. Is there ever a system you could devise that will stop it? No. No. Sorry, folks. No. The answer is no. Now, does that mean we shouldn’t try to make things as fair and above board as possible? No, I’m not saying we don’t try. But will you ever cure mankind’s fallenness and the yearning to cheat? No, you’re not. Sorry, folks. You’re not. That’s the reality of it. No, you’re not. So while we can continue to work on things and we should, are you going to cure that? No, you’re not. Men are sinners. We’re fallible. We do things to make us get ahead on a regular basis. So, you know, it’s why we live in a day and age, especially now, to where every single business has a door and a lock on it. Should it? No. If everybody was honest, you wouldn’t have to. You could leave it all open all the time because nobody would ever bother anything because it’s not yours. Which, by the way, is how I was raised. If I walked by a place of business and the door was open, first thing I’d say is, well, is there anybody here? And if I found out there wasn’t, and by the way, I’ve done this before. If there is nobody there, I’d be trying to call the owner or anybody I possibly could to say, hey, this thing’s open. Somebody ought to come check on it. I have gone as far as to call the police and say, hey, I’m in front of business such and such. And I was trying to get in. I thought maybe they were still open. And there’s nobody here. It’s closed, but the front door is wide open. Could you send somebody over to make sure that it stays that way? Yes, that’s me. That’s how I was raised. I was raised where you don’t walk in and just take whatever you want and leave, even though no one’s around. Even though, quote unquote, no one will see you. I’m not doing that. It’s not mine. It doesn’t belong to me. Unfortunately, though, folks, even our party at times, we have gotten into this yearning to have something be a certain way that I do believe wholeheartedly that it clouds our judgment at times. And then we have to go back in the mirror and say, gosh, where did I go wrong? What happened here? What’s the problem? Why didn’t this turn out the way that I wanted? Maybe it wasn’t true to begin with. And then it becomes very disappointing, and now you’ve got, in this case, we’ve had several of you question the movement, quote-unquote. What are these people doing? What are the Pam Bondys of the world doing? What’s Kash Patel doing? What’s Dan Bongino doing? And so on. Well, folks, I think in this particular case, it may very well be the fact that there wasn’t any smoking gun there. Again, time typically tells, but this is one of those situations I always go back with Charlie because he’s always a good guidance to me, and that is people talk. And stuff gets leaked. Now, keep in mind what just happened in regards to the bombing of Iran here just a couple of weeks ago and the leaked reports of the damage. Okay? Let me tell you what, folks. If there was a big, long list and there were some high-profile individuals on it, there’s one thing I can guarantee you. 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All right, this is some news locally that I wanted to comment on. Two women are now accusing Republican state representative of inappropriate sexual behavior. Two women have accused Republican state representative Ron Weinberg of inappropriate behavior back in 2021 and 2022. Now, before I say anything, I will say this. I believe that, you know, men should treat women with the utmost respect at all times, period, whether it be in how they’re talked to, looked at, you name it. My dad taught me that, you know, you respect a woman at all costs, even if it costs you. At the end of the day, this is what you do. And we were never, I’ve said this before on air, I haven’t said it for the longest time, but my brother and I, and my dad was really big on this, And I did this in my family. My brother and I were never allowed to hit my sister. Period. I raised my boys the exact same way. Now, some would say, well, if they get hit, they should be able to hit back. No, not the way my dad taught me. Nope. And I taught my boys the same thing. I don’t care what they’re doing. I don’t care what that woman does. She’s not going to get hit back. That’s how I was raised. So I believe in the utmost respect when it comes to ladies, period. So in this particular case, I want to make sure that I’m very clear on that, because do I agree with some of the statements? that were made by this individual. Now, keep in mind, this is a he said, she said. Now, there may be some more that comes out on this, but essentially, I won’t read this entire article to you, but essentially these two ladies have come out and have accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior. Now, that’s what this particular article starts off with. So I’m thinking, okay, where am I going to read that he had sex with one of them or he grabbed their private parts or he did something that he wasn’t supposed to do, and that’s not even what this is about. So he, at a couple of parties, maybe had too much to drink, maybe not, I don’t know. I don’t know the whole circumstances. He said something to, in one case, the husband of a woman, basically something to the effect of, I’d love to have sex with your wife, which, yes, I would never advocate you say, but That’s not, in my opinion, that’s not inappropriate sexual behavior. That’s talking stupid and talking in a way that you shouldn’t talk to another man about his wife about. But that’s by no means, quote unquote, inappropriate sexual behavior, not by my definition. There was another time where a particular lady was talking about having a facelift and he basically said something to the effect of, you know, I think you look beautiful the way you are. And they went on to have a conversation and he said some sexual comment. And again, is it appropriate? No. Did he violate either one of these ladies? No, not in my opinion. Now, these ladies would disagree with me, and they claim that they’ve got all sorts of trauma and blah, blah, blah, and I still can’t believe how powerless and violated I felt. One of them writes, oh, come on, lady, get a grip. Honestly, really? So you in your entire life have never had anyone anywhere ever say something vile and disgusting to you, and you just couldn’t sleep at night because of it. Grow some thick skin. I’m sorry. I’m not trying to be mean to ladies. You already heard what I said earlier about ladies, and I will always defend them. But in this case, where you’re now coming off after a politician because of something that he said, not did, said, you need to grow some thicker skin. I’m sorry. This should not even be in the news as far as I’m concerned. Now, am I giving this guy a pass? Of course not. He shouldn’t have said the things that he said. Not at all. Should he lose his political career over something that happened, you know, four years ago now, three, four years ago? No, I don’t think so either. Now, some of this came up because he was looking for some leadership inside of the legislature. And these women are coming out saying there’s no way he should be in leadership. Now, I don’t know that I disagree with that. given his past behavior in this particular area. I don’t think he should be in leadership either, but I think it’s a really far stretch to basically say that he sexually mishandled or he sexually assaulted me with his words. That’s one of those where it’s like, man alive, I guess you’ve never walked past a construction site. Not saying that’s right either, but I guess you’ve never been out in public. Because those things still happen. I mean, my wife, who’s a very attractive woman, will tell you how many times she gets passes made at her while out in public. It happens. If you’re an attractive woman, should it happen? No. Does it happen? Yes. So, again, I’m not giving any man, or in this case, this particular representative, a pass. I’m not giving him a pass, but is this as big of a story as 9 News is trying to make it? Not in my opinion, no. These are two women that need to grow some thick skin. So I guess we’ll see where this goes. I’m guessing this person will probably, you know, he will not end up in some sort of a leadership position. And by the way, I don’t think that he should. And Representative Ron, you should probably, and I know there’s a side of your story that I’ve not heard, so I’ll give you a pass on that until I hear what your side says. But you should not be saying some of the things that you say if, in fact, it’s true what these ladies are accusing you of. And I would say that to all men. Be careful what you say. A lot of things can get misconstrued, and I think you need to be extremely careful with your words. Something else my dad taught me. You need to be very careful with your words, because they can be received in a not-so-good way at times, especially in these sorts of situations. So… Anyways, that’s my take on this story. It’s a little bit of a dovetail, I guess, maybe into what, you know, the whole Epstein end of things is. And somebody also asked me a question because there was an article in Nine News today about a country singer says his family suffered a heartbreaking loss in this flood. And, you know, I had somebody ask me that, you know, how do people like me, when you lose somebody, especially in a tragedy like this, how do you keep your faith? Well, I mean, I think all of you know my story. I lost my brother four years ago to brain cancer. My dad’s now in memory care because he has Alzheimer’s. My mom was his main caregiver until she had a surgery that went bad last September and passed suddenly within 36 hours unexpectedly. All I can say is, you know, things happen that are beyond my control. Does it affect my faith? No, not at all. You know, does it make me want to walk away from the faith? No, it does not. If anything, probably the opposite. Without faith, what do you have? Not much. Not much. So for those of you asking me, you know, how do you deal with these sorts of things and these sorts of losses when they come along, that to me is where your strength gets better Yeah, and you’ll see them again. Thank you, Charlie. That’s the way I look at it is, you know, this is not my end, nor is it theirs. We will meet again at some point, and that’s how I look at it, and that’s where my strength comes from in these sorts of situations. So be praying for all those folks, by the way, in Texas that have lost, especially young loved ones. I mean, losing a loved one, period, is never easy, but losing young loved ones, I can’t imagine what that would be like. It would just be absolutely heartbreaking. 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That’s it for today, folks. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Tomorrow, Health and Wellness Wednesday. I’ve got a specialist joining us at the 315 mark to talk about Alzheimer’s, dementia, how families can handle that better, what do you do, what do you prepare for, all those different things. It’ll be a great guest, and for a lot of you that are listening, it might be very appropriate for you and or some loved ones to tune in at 315 tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
