In a world where political divisions run deep, Mike Gallagher opens a window into the heart of conservative thought as he discusses the challenges of maintaining open dialogues amidst contentious topics like the Epstein controversy and political shunning over ideological differences. With heartfelt anecdotes and a call to unity, he urges listeners to find common ground and support for those affected by natural disasters. Tune in as Gallagher navigates the complex currents of today’s political and social climate.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. And seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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I trust this audience. I like this audience. I love this audience, actually. You’re really my extended family. And I don’t know what I’d do without you, and I am so grateful I get to come in here every day and we get to try to hash out the tough, challenging issues we all face. And we have good days and bad days and up days and down days. I trust you. And at the top of every hour, we do what we call a tease on Salem News Channel. And I do hope you’re watching the show on the antidote to the mainstream media, Salem News Channel, snc.tv, where you can watch the show as well as listen to us on your favorite radio station. We’re heard, of course, on hundreds of stations around the country. And we’re also seen on Salem News Channel. And at the top of every hour, we say, coming up this hour, Mike Gallagher’s show, coming at you. We got the big hits. And I give you a little preview of what we’re going to do. And a moment ago, at the top of the hour tease for this hour, I said, I want to find out if you think we should move on from the Epstein controversy, or should we talk about it? Because the mainstream media wants to talk about it. Folks like Steve Bannon and others want to talk about it. They don’t want it to go away. So what does the audience want? And I did a little experiment. I said, text me at 800-655-MIKE and tell me what you think we should do. And I’ve been getting, just in the last five minutes since I did the top of the hour tease, I’ve gotten hundreds of texts. I’d say it’s 80-20 to move on. In fact, probably the best take came from Dallas. And he or she wrote on the text line, the MyPillow text line, I think we put a pin in it for now regarding Epstein until more information comes out, as I believe it will. And I agree with that. Here’s my challenge as a big mouth talk show host. I never want to shut down anything you want to talk about. I just don’t. That has happened for too many years in this country. People have been deplatformed. People have lost their jobs. People have lost their careers. People have lost their reputation. People have been shut down for daring to speak out against a lockdown or a vaccine or a point of view, an ideological point of view. And I don’t want to be a part of that. I want you to be able to feel comfortable coming to this show to talk about things that matter to you. Does the Epstein controversy matter to you enough to keep it going? Again, the majority of people texting me are saying, move on. Stick a pin in it. Turn the page. There’s a lot of other stuff going on. We’ve got Russia. We’ve got Ukraine. We’ve got the Supreme Court. We’ve got the Department of Education. We’ve got the borders. We’ve got attacks on ICE law enforcement. We’ve got real heady stuff happening all the time. So what do I do as a talk show host? What I know is talking about it, which is why I’m inclined to move on, is a dream for the Trump-hating legacy media. The impression that MAGA is being torn apart over this is just what the Trump haters want. Look at the headlines. Trump’s MAGA base split over the handling of the Epstein files. Look at the Daily Beast. Michael Wolff, his biographer says, Trump is really afraid of the Epstein story. Yeah, because he walks around in perpetual fear. The division between MAGA will be felt and might impact the midterms. On and on and on and on. And that’s why I’m inclined to move on. Here’s what Laura Ingraham said last night about the damage that some conservative, supposedly MAGA influencers are causing the Trump administration.
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Now, as conservative influencers were eating their own about Epstein, the president was stealing the show on the one-year anniversary of the day he almost lost his life. He made a triumphant appearance at a global sporting event. At the World Cup FIFA final, Trump basked in the moment.
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It was just it was wonderful. There was Trump in the middle of all these soccer players having the time of his life with the crowd roaring its approval. Don’t believe the liars who say he was over resoundingly booed. No, he wasn’t. They’re lying to you. Because they lie. And it’s the nature of this. It’s the fact that they lie that makes this so challenging, that makes this so difficult. So look, all I can do is what I always do. Throw out the phone number, 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. You can call or text. Let your voice be heard because I want to make sure your voice is heard. Again, For the record, the overwhelming majority of texters on the MyPillow text line are saying move on. Let’s see what you think. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I’ve got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You’ve seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don’t want to do this. You want a program to lose weight that’s centered around science and nutrition, a proven roadmap that has helped over 8,000 clients lose weight and keep it off, like me. I lost 53 pounds a few years ago, and I’ve kept it off. I know what to eat and when. I know how to quiet any of the cravings I might get and finally release that unhealthy belly fat that I carried along for so long. Make the phone call that can change your life in the way it changed mine. It’s called PhD Weight Loss. PhD Weight Loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas’ program is brilliant. And how do I know? Well, 53 pounds later, here I am. 864-644-1900 is their number. Call and schedule your consultation. You can do this program from anywhere in America. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or visit myphdweightloss.com.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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To Epstein or not to Epstein, that is the question. I did a poll earlier today. As we do these top-of-the-hour teases on Salem News Channel, I said, how many of you want us to keep talking about the Epstein drama and controversy? How many of us want us to move on? How many of you want us to move on? And about 80%, I’d say, said, move on. The left wants this drama. Look at these headlines. Oh, Trump is really worried. Oh, he’s scared now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he’s real scared. Trump’s a real scaredy cat. The guy that gets shot and stands up and thrusts his fist in the air and says, fight, fight, fight. He’s a real coward. Nice try. But the bottom line is, this division does hurt the Trump agenda. And the question is going to be, for how long and how much? People are frustrated. People are scratching their heads. People are annoyed. I get it. I totally do. And I’ve always believed in showcasing every point of view. I’m not a host that likes to talk down to his audience. I don’t think. I’m particularly condescending. I’d like to believe it’s why the show has had the measure of success that it has had. I think I know this audience. And I know that there are people who are frustrated that it seemed that there was going to be some accountability for crimes committed on Epstein Island, and now it appears there is not. President Trump wants clearly for the world to move on. He trusts Pam Bondi. He trusts Kash Patel. He trusts Dan Bongino. And he expects and hopes that we trust him. And I do. There’s all this desperate reporting. Oh, Trump made calls. He called Charlie Kirk. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I have no idea. I know Charlie says he trusts people in the administration, and Charlie has accepted the premise of moving on. And I did get a text from somebody today who said, I think the right thing to do is stick a pin in it for now and see if anything else comes out. But let’s stop ignoring all of the successes that the Trump administration is delivering. That’s what the Trump haters don’t want. They don’t want any acknowledgement of all the Supreme Court victories that the Trump administration is getting, of a sealed border. They don’t want any of that. They don’t want mass deportation. They don’t want people rounded up who are criminals. You know what they want? They want divisiveness. They want MAGA to implode. Meanwhile, Trump is off celebrating with FIFA soccer players and having a good time and celebrating the achievements of this administration. There was an article in the New York Times which really intrigued me. It was an opinion piece by a guy named David Litt. And I really appreciated it. It was an opinion that said that he felt in the past, the writer felt it was his duty to be rude to his brother-in-law. Because his brother-in-law is a conservative. I met Matt in 2012. It was immediately clear we had nothing in common, he writes. He lifted weights to death metal. I jogged to Stephen Sondheim. I was one of Obama’s speechwriters. He was a huge Joe Rogan fan. He went on to get his electrician’s license. He went on to say that since this guy was a vaccine skeptic, he felt it was his civic duty to be rude to him. He said it was his job to ostracize him because he was anti-mandate and anti-vaccine and what kind of person would do that? And then he writes in the article that they started to change their relationship. And he became more open-minded about people who don’t see the world the way he does. And he writes, this former Obama speechwriter writes, my advice is always the same. Our differences are meaningful. But allowing them to mean everything is part of how we ended up here. When we cut off contacts or let algorithms sort us into warring factions, we forget that not so long ago we used to have things to talk about that didn’t involve politics. Shunning one another plays into the hands of demagogues. making it easier for them to divide us, even in some cases to incite violence. There are, of course, some people so committed to odiousness that it defines them. But are most people like that? In an age when banishment backfires, keeping the door open to unlikely friendship isn’t a betrayal of principles, it’s an affirmation of them. I am, look, Greg Gutfeld tore into this guy. Greg went after him and mocked him. Oh, you like Stephen Sondheim and you’re an a-hole and all that. And I get that reaction, I guess. But I look at this a little bit differently. I appreciate somebody recognizing that shunning each other over politics… inevitably does backfire. And look, I’ve experienced this. And I’ll tell you this. In my personal life, I’ll give you two examples. I’ve been shunned, and I shunned somebody else. So I’m guilty of this. I’ve had a years-long friend who has stopped talking to me because of my support for President Trump and my status as a registered Republican. Just stopped talking to me after the election. Known him for years. And I admit it’s kind of hurtful. We’ve had a generous friendship. I’ve been very generous to him over the years. He’s been kind to me over the years and generous. I guess that friendship is over. I have another friend who blasted me the morning after the election, tearing into me by text. And we mostly talk now by text. And I attempted to be gracious to her. I said, look, I’m sorry you’re hurting. I’m sorry the election didn’t go the way you wanted it to go. And she kept attacking me. I blocked her. There’s a funny little feature on your phone. It’s called Block. You never have to hear from that person again. And that’s what I did. And that’s sad, too, because I’ve known her for many years. This article about… Should we snub one another? Should we shun one another? I think it’s pretty valuable. And I don’t want to make fun of the guy because he is an elitist Democrat Obama speechwriter who listens to show tunes. I appreciate a guy trying to find a little bit of common ground and realizing that it was a mistake for him to treat his brother-in-law Like a horse’s ass. Because the horse’s ass was the guy from the New York Times, not the brother-in-law. The horse’s ass, frankly, is the person, the years-long friend of mine, who has shunned me and decided to stop talking to me. And I will admit, I’m the horse’s ass for shunning the person that I shunned. who was blowing up my phone with ugly text messages, attacking me for who I voted for. I don’t know if we can find any common ground. I don’t know if there’s any hope or not. But I do appreciate, and I’m going to play the Greg Gutfeld part of his response to this writer, David Litt, in the New York Times. I want you to hear why he thinks… this guy is suddenly coming around. It’s almost like some of them on the left are saying, look, these guys on the right were right all along about the Trump presidency. But let me get your take on it as well. 800-655-MIKE as we kick things off for a Tuesday. And again, I’m not going to shun you if you’re upset about the Epstein scandal. We can talk a little bit about it. I’m all right with that. There’s a lot of influencers who are saying it’s time to move on. I agree that we will move on, whether you like it or not. You may not like that message, but I never want to shut you down. So feel free to join us here in the Relief Factor Studios as we kick off a Tuesday. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Join us. We’re partnering with our friends at the nonprofit relief agency, Food for the Poor, and rushing emergency relief kits to these flood-ravaged part of the world. 128 people confirmed dead. Many, many more are still missing. As you know, President Trump and the First Lady visited the flood zone in Texas over the weekend. As you can hear, he was pretty emotional. You can hear in the sound of his voice about what he witnessed.
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They lost their child or two children and children. Just hard to believe what I’ve never seen anything like it. A little narrow river that becomes a monster.
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Salem News Channel viewers, seeing a live look at Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, in Chicagoland, where we’re heard on AM560, The Answer. Best wishes to Amy Jacobson, who departed the station recently, and looks like Dan is going to be flying solo, and just a great team, and we wish her nothing but the best. Opinion, should I snub my right-wing relatives? Before we take your calls on this article by this a column over at the New York times by David lit, who’s a former Obama speechwriter who seems to be saying, Hey man, it’s not a good idea to snub people and to shun people over political differences. Here was Greg Gutfeld’s response on his show last night on Fox news. Uh, You know, I’m not playing the whole thing. The first part of it is him making fun of the guy for listening to Sondheim, and he’s an elitist, out of touch, a-hole, and blah, blah, blah. But here’s what Greg says is the reason that suddenly somebody who writes over at the New York Times is having a change of heart about people like you and me.
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The U.S. had a budget surplus of $27 billion last month, the first June surplus in years. Prices are down, stocks are roaring, wages are up, and the big beautiful bill is law. The border’s sealed, violent illegals are getting the boot, he’s trashed Iran’s nuclear capabilities and rooted out wasteful spending. Hell, he even convinced Rosie to get the hell out. I could go on, but I left the baby with a brand new set of lawn darts. But among Republicans, Trump is the most popular president in history because he’s winning. And the left would prefer you supporting a loser. Hell, they’ve done that plenty of times. But Trump is kicking their asses mentally and physically. In fact, his foot is making such regular contact, they’re all suffering from athlete’s butt. But maybe the New York Times is starting to suspect they don’t speak for America anymore and never did. Maybe they’re realizing that your average Trump-loving electrician could be smarter, more resilient, and better at community than the guy with the show tune playlist. The truth is, they need us more than we need them. When a street gang surrounds you, no one’s ever yelled, quick, belt out some tunes from West Side Story. But Democrats, you can’t unburn the bridge that you proudly torched in 2020. Those of us on the right, what you call the political lepers, are just fine over here by ourselves. So keep waving a limp olive branch. But until you admit you were wrong and apologize, you can stick that branch where the sun don’t shine. And given the number of on your side, you’ve got plenty of places to stick it.
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You know, it’s kind of a satisfying monologue, but in a way, this writer does apologize for shunning his own brother-in-law. You know, Greg says, until you apologize and say you were wrong, well, you know, you can read this article. Maybe you have a different take on it from me, but that’s kind of what this guy does. Bobby’s in Phoenix, Arizona. Hey, Bobby, welcome to the show. How are you? Bobby, you there? Yes, yes, yes.
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Hey there.
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Humility is hard. How are you? Hello. Yes, ma’am. Step right up.
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I am. I have a solution to all of this horror that I’ve seen during many years. And I sit back and I observe 12-step program. We need to apologize to each other. We are all creations in Christ. We are all made the same way, just different attributes.
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I like that. I like that a lot. I mean, I’m not sure people are going to be in the mood to do that, but shunning people, not a great idea. Quickly, I’m trying to get as many voices on here as we can. David in Chicago.
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David, how are you? Hi, good morning, Mr. Goh. Hi. I just wanted to say two things. First and foremost, what was this guy’s name? David Litt. So I believe it’s you, sir. I think it’s you. And I stole this from you. If it is, if they didn’t have any, if they didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all. And so I wouldn’t know. It’s a virtue signaling ploy. Like they always do. Like, look at us. We’re great. That’s just my take on the whole thing. And the second thing being, um, The second thing being with the Epstein thing, oh, my God, that’s become so yesterday’s news so long ago. I can’t understand why anybody’s still talking about it. So you want to move on?
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You want to move on? Yes, yes. Gotcha. All right. Thank you, David. One open line, 800-655-MIKE. Steve in Dayton, Ohio. Steve, what do you think?
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Well, I think that the problem is more basic than just not snubbing each other. It seems to me the problem is… backing up a little bit. In any society, you’ve got three basic institutions, three that are just there, no underlying predicate. The first one is a family institution. The second one is a religious institution. And the third one is a civic institution. And basically, the religious institution, among other things, sets society’s values and politics is supposed to operate within the civic institution.
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Interesting way of looking at it. Steve, I like the way you think. More coming up. One open line, 800-655-MIKE. portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they’re having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It’s a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It’s a premium energy drink that’s good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it’s powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you’re going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren’t going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com. Use the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me. For the best night’s sleep in the whole wide world, visit MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG.
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The text message of the MyPillow text line from Kelly in Jacksonville, Florida. Mike, please, please, please tell your story about the Hall of Presidents at Disney World again. I only got a little piece of it, and I wanted to hear every word. All right. Let me just quickly tell you. It’s an anecdotal story. I think it kind of, at least anecdotally, describes how Americans feel about about President Trump and the state of the nation. Hall of Presidents is an iconic exhibit at Disney World. And, of course, when Trump was president the first time, they had him on stage. They’re all animatronics. They’re presidents that are all there nodding and they’re rocking. It’s a little cool, but it’s also a little jarring to see them all up there on stage. But I always loved it because there’s an inspirational movie and talks about the history of the country and everything. And then the curtains open up and there’s Abe Lincoln and George Washington and, yes, Donald Trump. And when they went through the roll call, they basically introduced every single president. And they’re all up there nodding their heads and rocking some of them. It’s a really, I love the exhibit. And I wanted to see what it was like now that Trump is back. Now, I remember the first time around, there was some trouble for Disney because lunatics were screeching and screaming and booing Trump. They even had to put security guards in the theater for a bunch of animatronics. I guess they were worried that somebody was going to rush the robot, you know, and tackle the robot. But I was really fascinated by when they got to the part. And this is a few hundred people. The theater wasn’t filled, but it was pretty filled. But there was probably several hundred people in the audience. And they started announcing all the presidents. And people cheered for all the prominent presidents. Washington, FDR, John F. Kennedy, Reagan, George W. Bush. When they got to Joe Biden… You couldn’t hear a sound. Not one single person clapped for Joe Biden when it was his turn. And then when it got to Trump, they didn’t just call out his name as the current president. They had him reciting the oath of office. Listen to the crowd, because I was rolling with my iPhone, and I took a little video when it got to Trump’s part.
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Hi, Donald John Trump. President of the United States and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. So help me God.
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And then there was a big ovation at the end. Not one boo, not one negative thing said, just cheering for President Trump. And again, for what it’s worth, not a sound when Joe Biden was introduced. Is Disney going MAGA? There was J.D. Vance over the weekend bringing his wife and kids to Disneyland in California. You know, people get mad at me because I share my love of Disney and I know Disney’s pretty woke and people get aggravated. Look, if it’s good enough for J.D. Vance, it ought to be good enough for Mike Gallagher. The vice president can go to Disney. Why can’t I go? Now, admittedly, I’m not bringing little kids anymore like Denise and I used to. I’m one of those creepy adults who goes without kids. Scott Jennings, incidentally, on CNN and our newest host here on Salem in the afternoons, Scott says that those of us adults who go to Disney World by ourselves without kids ought to be sentenced to alligator Alcatraz. We ought to be at alligator Alcatraz, locked up. I Disney has got a special place in my heart, has a lot to do with my wife and my kids and our history and our past and our family and memories. But isn’t it interesting that, again, just anecdotally, nobody in that audience clapped for Biden and plenty of people cheered. If you want to see that clip, if you text the keyword HALL to the MyPillow text line, we’ll send it back to you and you can check out the way the crowd reacted. And no, that is not me whooping and hollering. That was a guy sitting right in front of me. Somebody just said, Mike, was that you woohooing? It was not me woohooing. The woohooer was a guy in front of me. I was just taking a video on my iPhone. I think I did a pretty good job. Don’t you think, Christian? Is there a future for me as a cameraman for the Salem News Channel? Hope there’s a future for you paying attention to the message from Americans for a Balanced Budget. Portions of our show are sponsored by Americans for a Balanced Budget. Congress secured a historic win for President Trump and the American people by passing the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. But that victory is now at risk. Massive health care tax hike looms if Congress fails to act. Americans for a balanced budget is sounding the alarm. Key health care tax credits are set to expire at the end of the year. If that happens, 24 million Americans could face skyrocketing health care costs. Millions could lose their coverage. rural communities would be hit especially hard with job losses, fewer providers, and reduced access to care. Congress has to act now to protect these vital tax credits for Americans who buy their own health insurance. President Trump’s pollster found that 77% of voters, including over 70% of Trump supporters, are more likely to vote for candidates who preserve these credits. Americans for a Balanced Budget is calling on Congress to protect the full promise of the One Big Beautiful Bill by preventing a devastating healthcare tax hike. Your voice counts. Just go to StopHealthCostHikes.com. That’s StopHealthCostHikes.com. Tell Congress to protect tax credits, stop rising costs, and act before it’s too late. Stop higher health care costs. Visit StopHealthCostHikes.com today. Here’s Sean in Jacksonville, Florida. Hey, Sean, wants to weigh in on the New York elections. Hey, Sean, how are you?
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Hi, Sean. Hi, Mike. How are you doing? I’m good, Sean.
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Thanks for joining us.
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Yeah, so I want to respond to Mondani. Look, if he cares about New York, just step down, get a Republican in there, and we’ll come visit.
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Yeah, it’s pretty easy.
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I mean, he should be listening to this right now and thinking, do you want me to step down? Yes. Do you want to get Republican there? Yes. Back Republican? Hey, my whole family would go to New York. I know other people would, too. I live here in Jacksonville, and there’s tons of people from New York moving out of New York because they’re fearing this guy.
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And he knows that, Sean. That’s the thing. He knows it. He knows full well. I mean, this is classic gaslighting. That’s all it is. This is epic gaslighting. This is a guy who’s saying, you know what I’ll do? I’ll pretend that Trump is the reason people are fleeing New York. People are fleeing New York because of progressivism, because of the quality of life there, because of the cost of living, because of everything. That’s what’s happening. Everybody knows it. Zoran Mamdani knows him. This guy is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. And at the end of the day, New York better figure it out. There’s all kinds of Stop Mamdani rallies that are taking place all over the country right now. There’s more of that. People are really worried and really frightened. And who can blame them? Who can blame them? People are saying, can you repeat what word to text to see that clip of Trump at the Hall of Presidents? Hall. H-A-L-L. Just text the keyword Hall to the MyPillow text line. 800-655-MIKE. We’ll send it back to you.
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And everybody goes, who cares who the mayor of New York is? It’s really important. It’s the biggest city in America. It’s hugely visible. And yesterday, Andrew Cuomo said, I’m getting back in, running as an independent. And I’m going to tell you, that is bad news for Mr. Mamdani, because now he’s got three guys running against him, all have some degree of skin in the game. You’ve got Eric Adams, you’ve got Andrew Cuomo, and you’ve got Curtis Sliwa. And there’s no runoff. The winner, plurality wins. Somebody could win this with 35%. Curtis got 28 when he ran sort of head-to-head against Eric Adams four years ago. It’s not out of the question. Andrew Cuomo getting in, I don’t think Andrew’s going to win. I don’t think, I don’t know. I think it’s bad news for Mamdani. It might be good news for Curtis Sliwa. And so, you know, hey, so I offer you that.
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Yep. I see it completely opposite. I think you’re 100% wrong. You’re dead wrong. And let me tell you why. Because all of the analysts, and listen, you could be smarter than all of them, but everybody says all this does is split the vote and give Mamdani a path into the mayoral’s office. Because you’re going to have three guys who are going to split apart the vote.
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There’s a Mamdani vote and a non-Mamdani vote, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. I mean, there’s no way this helps him. There isn’t any way. In fact, I’m a little shocked at your perspective. If you’ve got Cuomo pulling 15% or 20%, Curtis pulling 15% or 20%, Eric Adams pulling 15% or 20%, how do you think that beats Mom Donnie? Then all he needs is 31%. He’s going to win it with 30-some percent. That’s Mom Donnie.
SPEAKER 09 :
know that it’s him. You don’t know that it’s him? In November. In something about November. It’s a long time. A lot of the blue may come off of his rose. I hope it does.
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, there to me is a parallel between the New York City mayor’s race and the Epstein story, and let me tell you what it is. The only way we screw ourselves is when we screw ourselves. Now, I mean, look at the media now running with Epstein, and they’re just loving this. Yeah. Kim Jeffrey’s all about it, Steve. They’re torn. MAGA’s tearing themselves apart. Axios, the siege mentality. It’s the first time that Trump has gotten a revolt, and they’re tearing. It’s the first time since Trump came down the escalator that MAGA is turning on him. Look at him go. Look at him go. Again, self-inflicted wound on our part. We’re doing this to ourselves. In New York, if the egos… Of Eric Adams and Chris Cuomo and my friend Curtis, and he is my friend, and I had him on the show yesterday. Look, in a perfect world, Curtis Sliwa is Giuliani 2.0. I mean, he’s the best thing that could possibly happen in New York. Are you kidding me? a law and order guy. He knows every inch of New York City, is founder of the Guardian Angels. When I interviewed him yesterday, he reminded me of the Underbelly Tour that he gave me the first night I took over at WABC. He took me under his wing. Curtis Lewa took me under his wing and said, Mike Gallagher, you’re the new kid on the block here at WABC. You just sort of ostensibly replaced Bob Grant, which were big shoes for Phil. But that was my big gig right at WABC, and Curtis was a fixture there at the time. He was the perennial fill-in talk show host for every shift. In fact, this is not a joke, he used to sleep on the floor under his desk in a cubicle, and when somebody was out, he would pop up and go in and do a talk show. I watched him in a dead sleep get woken up, walk into the studio, and start talking like he didn’t miss a beat. This guy’s a machine. Wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
I make myself available for a bunch of shows. I ain’t sleeping in the building waiting for the opportunity.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re a piker compared to Curtis Lewa. So he was Mr. WABC. So my first day, he said, Mike Gallagher, I’m going to take you to the Guardian Angels stadium. underbelly tour of New York we were in Harlem we went to the Bronx and I mean the Bronx at 10 o’clock at night I mean it was and he’s got the bright red beret and I’m thinking we’re going down any minute now
SPEAKER 09 :
The guardian angels were the guardian angels were the beret wearing force led by Curtis. It wasn’t it wasn’t a message that said the cops aren’t enough or not at all. It was it was very like, listen, we’re going to be the eyes and ears. We know you guys can’t be everywhere. But the guardian angels were on the subways in the neighborhoods there to sometimes call the police or there to sometimes intervene in some nonlethal way to just make.
SPEAKER 08 :
Beloved by most New Yorkers. Even though everybody knows Curtis is a rock-ribbed conservative, they still love the idea of helping the police. And look, I think he sleeps with that red beret on. I almost had the guts to ask him yesterday in the interview, if you lost the beret, you think you’d go up 10 points? But I couldn’t do it.
SPEAKER 09 :
You told me that a couple of weeks ago. I couldn’t do it. That’s his brand.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. I know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know.
SPEAKER 08 :
And he’s all about the brand. He’s very good about branding. In fact, now he’s walking around with a Curtis for NYC mayor jacket on. So he knows how to brand. So anyway, we’re, we’re, and he reminded me, we were, and here’s the crazy part about that night where I got to go to the, we went to White Castle and got slide, you know, he, what do you call them? Gut busters, sliders, gut bombs. I mean, and people are, Hey Curtis, yo Curtis. And I’m thinking, and I got a tour and that night TWA flight 800 went down off the coast of Long Island and he and I raced back to the radio station and we both worked into the wee hours of the morning going, With that coverage, that was the night that that all happened. That was my initiation to WABC. And Curtis yesterday said one of the kindest things that I’ve heard. I mean, look, I don’t get a lot of kudos. I don’t ask for them. I don’t pat myself on the back. We haven’t even mentioned that I’m number nine on this year’s Talkers Magazine heavy hundred list. We don’t want to even mention that. I mean, who’s keeping track? I’m number nine. But, look, Curtis said, I watched you in action, Mike Gallagher, that night, and I saw you to be the broadcaster that you are. You’re as good as anybody in the business. And he just gave me a lot of real nice compliments. And so, look, he’d be a fantastic mayor, but he’s not going anywhere. He’s a Republican in a blue, blue, blue city. And the conventional wisdom is, and I think you said it, if I’m not mistaken, a few weeks ago, yeah. Good luck, Curtis, with that. That ain’t going to happen. So here’s what Cuomo proposed. By September, let’s look at where the three of us are in the polling. And whoever is second and third drop out and coalesce behind the person who’s leading in the polling so that it’s a one-on-one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or if it’s Mamdani still leading in the polling, whoever is first among the non-Mamdani people.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know why you keep bringing that up. Mamdani is the nominee, Mark. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER 09 :
The primaries are over. We’re done.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, it’s a general election between Mamdani and anyone else. So of the three challengers of Eric Adams, Cuomo, or Curtis, let’s coalesce. Look, that’s the only chance New York’s got, because if they don’t, they’re going to split the vote. And you’re saying, I mean, if you look at the math, Mamdani doesn’t need that much if all three of them peel off enough votes to split. Do you think that’ll be?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I don’t think. It’s probably not going to be Curtis. Probably not going to be Curtis.
SPEAKER 08 :
Mark, I don’t think any of their egos are going to let him do that. They’re not going to back down.
SPEAKER 09 :
But just as a thought exercise, between Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo, who do you think will have more pullovers?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, or Curtis Lee. In a perfect world, it would be Curtis. No, but it’s not.
SPEAKER 09 :
So the world’s not perfect, and it is New York. So might it be? Do you think it’s Andrew Cuomo’s idea, right? And I think it’s based on the belief that he thinks he’ll be second in the polls. It’ll be Mom Donnie, Cuomo, and then Eric and Curtis. And he’ll say, look, those of you who are below me, get out so that it can be just me against Mom Donnie, and then I got a chance.
SPEAKER 08 :
If one of those guys is challenging Mamdani, I think one of them will win. If two or three of them are challenging him, Mamdani is going to win. Again, it’s going to be a self-inflicted wound because egos are going to get in the way. And Cuomo has as big an ego as anybody in the universe. So he’s now he’s running as he declared yesterday. He’s running as an independent, you know. I’m in it to—and it was a lackluster, lifeless message. Who cares?
SPEAKER 09 :
To use your very sound premise of your sort of connection between self-inflicted wounds and needless or unfortunate conflict in what should be a time of harmony and energy for MAGA, you’re 100% right, and that’s part of what grieves me a little bit. But it’s not like these people are wrong. The folks who are clamoring for more accountability—clamming? I mean, there ain’t going to be no client list, guys. Sorry. But for something, just give us something. Throw us a bone, man. They’re not wrong. And so what are you, what are we telling those folks?
SPEAKER 08 :
See, that’s a good question. Because I’ve got people pulling me, and you’re probably getting the same thing. I get text messages saying, please stop talking about Epstein. Get over it. Please move on. We’ve got big wins at the Supreme Court. Don’t look now. The court is letting Trump do what he wants to do with the Department of Education, which is well overdue. Huge win there. All kinds of wins. All kinds of accomplishments. And we’re missing it because everybody’s obsessing about Epstein. But you and I are of the mindset that I’m not going to shut down the way people feel or what they want to talk about. I can’t do it. Everybody’s talking about the Epstein thing. And your analysis today, and again, I was listening to you, the old Howard Franklin monologue, the old Howard Franklin Bridge, Mark Davis monologue.
SPEAKER 09 :
I take Mike across Tampa Bay every day.
SPEAKER 08 :
You take me, and boy, you ought to see what they’re doing to that thing. They’re blowing up spans, and they’re doing new construction, and it looks like something out of another movie. But I’m listening to you, and I’m thinking, Mark is spot on. I mean, you’re right. You have a right to be frustrated, because this is going to not have a satisfying conclusion. And the reason we’re frustrated is that we’ve got so many satisfying conclusions. Look at the border. He got the border sealed in a matter of hours. Okay. Just like that. The economy is turning around. The stock market is soaring. We are respected again on the world stage. But there’s not going to be an easy resolution to this. You’re so right. If they had any dirt on Trump, this whole narrative that Trump’s probably on the list, baloney. They would have used it. Any Republican. Everybody was hanging out with Epstein in the 90s. Yep. Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, and Oprah. They were all hanging out with the guy. So that’s not enough. But again, but people keep saying to me, but Mike, if there are all these terrible, terrible girls that were victimized, how do you let all those men get away with it? Well, you shouldn’t. But here’s a weird question that nobody seems to be asking. Well, some do. Mm-hmm. Why aren’t any of the victims coming forward saying he did this to me or he did that to me? Nobody. There’s not one. What’s up with that?
SPEAKER 09 :
These are all women now. After decades of navigating this, easy to say, hard to do. Easy for us to say. Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then your life gets ruined.
SPEAKER 09 :
Then your life gets blown up. how many flipping victims are we supposed to have? We should be able to fill a football stadium with them. So the story is told. It would seem that there’d be a handful who’d be willing to say, and I’ll tell you, they would be met with empathy, huge appreciation, and somebody stepping forward to say, I was one of those young girls, and here are six guys who did things to me.
SPEAKER 08 :
That would be unbelievably terrible. It’s all unfortunate. And let me tell you the most important thing of all. Don’t shoot the messenger. Don’t get mad at Mike. Blame Mark when I say the following. When I say, it’s going to blow over. It’s going to blow over. It’s going to blow over. And I give it a week, maybe a couple weeks, but it’s going to blow over. And that makes people crazy when I say that. Did I hear you say you’re totally right? Of course you’re totally right. Okay, I blame Mark Davis for this point of view. Direct all correspondents to Mark Davis at Mark Davis.
SPEAKER 09 :
Definition of blowing over. We’re going to move on. The vast majority of people will. some the mass the vast some folks won’t the people that want the clicks and they want the and and look they’re not wrong you’re right in the media influencers clickbait world but i also mean some good-hearted people who love you and love me and and think we’re just not torqued off enough about this or just you know we if we were to just we don’t care we’re hypocrites i know ambivalent about child yeah i love that one yeah that’s a good one they’re they’re they’re they’re
SPEAKER 08 :
they’re just frustrated they’re frustrated and i and i and i was forever about everything the basis i know bob france filling in for stegall this morning said look look at all the cover-ups from the auto pen to biden’s very condition to comey and clapper to who shot trump and why and you know but that’s but that’s not a donald trump affectation correct that’s not that it does not come from trump so to trust the guy he got he’s got information that we don’t have he’s saying move on he’s saying don’t let’s not blow this thing up last thing because we’re late
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you mean he’s got information that we don’t have? I mean, I think you’re generally right about that most days. It’s true most days he’s president. But what does he know that we are not allowed to know, huh?
SPEAKER 08 :
How do we know when we don’t know? How do I know? You know, if you don’t know, you don’t know. I mean, that’s the point. I know what I don’t know. I do know that everyone should blame Mark Davis for saying we’re going to move on.
SPEAKER 09 :
At Mark Davis at X. I’m moving on from this segment right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
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