John Rush and Andy Peth take a deep dive into the emotional and political turbulence gripping the country, especially in the wake of recent attacks on Donald Trump. Is the MAGA movement seeking revenge—or simply accountability? The guys don’t shy away from naming names, calling out leftist overreach, and discussing the righteous anger bubbling within the conservative base. But they also challenge listeners to have realistic expectations about justice, evil, and political outcomes—anchoring the conversation in biblical truth.
From fiery political takes to future-forward tech talk, this episode also explores the collapse of EV subsidies, Tesla’s market dominance, and whether
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And we are back. Hour number two, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and a couple of you texting in. By the way, most text messages agreeing with everything we said during that last hour, and I appreciate that. One person did say that it’s not so much revenge that the MAGA party, quote-unquote, is looking for. It’s accountability. And by the way, I don’t know that I would disagree with that, although… It’s probably you that are saying you want accountability because I do as well. But I will tell you this. I do think there are some hardcore folk in our party that definitely want more than just accountability. They, in fact, want revenge. I do think there are some in the party that do. that want flat out revenge you might want to call it accountability i would probably call it accountability and i want accountability but let me tell you what folks i i read some of these things that are out on facebook and other places on a daily basis i know andy does as well and let me tell you what there are some people out there that flat out want revenge not just accountability A lot of Andy.
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Oh, yeah, I totally agree. It’s a lot of them. Let me ask you this, John. Are you a fan of Donald Trump?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, me too.
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Oh, well, John, I’m a fan of every single thing he does. No, not just like I’m a fan of other people, you know, along the same lines.
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I didn’t ask if you are a worshiper.
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OK, OK. I asked her, are you a fan? Absolutely.
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OK, OK. Well, that guy that you’re a fan of has been shot. He has a mugshot of him, okay? He has been prosecuted. He has been put through an absolute living hell, unlike any president in American history.
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Correct.
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Okay. Doesn’t that make you want, because it does with me, doesn’t that make you want revenge at times? Doesn’t it make you want them to get, to use that word, accountability? Yes. Yeah.
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It does. I feel that way. I want them. I would want no more than that.
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Look, I think Comey needs to be perp walked. I’m sorry, but I think he does.
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I guess I have more realistic expectations knowing how things actually work, not only in government, but actually work in the work. I mean, keep in mind, folks, that on top of everything that Andy just said, we have had a lot of folks on our side over the past four years that were wrongly accused, that had no-knock raids done on them. I mean, I can go down the list of folks. How about the J6? Yeah, I mean, folks, yeah, thank you. I mean, I can go down the list of things that have happened on our side that none of us are happy about, and we all want, quote, unquote, revenge and or accountability for. So I am not giving anybody on the other side a pass any way, shape, or form. As I keep saying, this is good versus evil. I want evil stamped out. I want it gone, Andy, gone for good. So, yes, I want evil gone, but the reality is I know just from what the Lord has said and what Scripture tells me that evil is here until he comes back and finalizes things. So the reality is we’re going to fight against it as much as we possibly can, but it is not going to be wiped out, not in this time until that happens, Andy.
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No, I think of what a lot of people don’t seem to understand. I’m going to talk to Christians for a moment. Remember, in the Bible it says, why do the wicked prosper? And the psalmist is obviously very upset about that, as we all are. Well, that question wouldn’t be asked if the wicked weren’t prospering. If they didn’t. Okay, folks, and I’m not just talking in politics. I’m talking in your workplace, in your church, even when you’ve got some jerk on the church board who gets away with everything. It could be in your family. It can be anywhere. The wicked prosper. The wicked get away with things. You know why? Because it’s a bad world. All of us have bad in us.
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That old saying, only the good die young.
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Yeah. So all of us have bad in us, which means all of mankind is swimming in one direction. You know what that means? It’s easy to swim that way. And bad people are going to succeed more. And I think it’s wonderful. The fact that you’re upset and you want accountability, that means right there that you are one of the good people swimming upstream.
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That’s a good thing. That is a good thing. Absolutely. Don’t lose that. But I also feel like don’t lose that. But when it comes to politics, especially… Have realistic expectations. Be real. Yes. Have realistic expectations.
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Okay. We got a couple minutes.
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Yeah, we’re good. We got a few minutes. Go for it.
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Whoa, I just hit my microphone.
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You’re all right. That was interesting. Keep rolling. I never do that. Speaking with your hands.
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Yeah, speaking with my hands. Speaking with my hands. This is great radio. Okay. I want to talk about Canada for just a moment. Here’s my question. Okay. So I’m going back to my question. Okay. Go for it. As you know, I said… When we were talking to Jordan a couple months ago, I said, Trump wants to burn Canada to the ground.
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And he feels slighted by them.
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Yes. And so my question is, what can Canada even offer? What can they do? What can they offer in trade negotiations to prevent Trump from burning them to the ground?
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Zero tariffs. Right off the top. Wilson, anything you want, zero tariffs. What do you want, U.S.? What do you guys need? What is it we can help you with? What resources do we have that you don’t have right now that we could make your life easier for? What can we do to help your economy even prosper, knowing that if yours does, ours does, what is it we can give you for zero tariffs?
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Which, by the way, would cripple their farmers. Is what they think. They think our farmers would all sell their farmers so badly. And by the way, they’re right. OK, so I agree with you. But my here’s my question. Would Trump accept anything they’re doing or does Trump simply want to watch them burn?
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Now, that’s a question that I don’t know that I can answer, Andy.
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I think Trump is their joker in Batman, okay? I think he just wants to watch their world burn. I think he’s looking at them and saying, you need to experience the absolute pain. of voting in a bad president just because you’re mad at me.
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Twice. By the way, twice. Yeah, yeah. Double. You guys have done this twice. Yeah, exactly. It’s not that you did it once. You doubled down and did it twice.
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They literally wanted the pro-MAGA guy, and then they churned on Trump, and they decided to vote in somebody who’s terrible for them just because to spite Trump. I think Trump’s going to burn him to the ground. I think I think they’re going to be. And what I mean is this. I think that 35 percent is going to stay in place for quite a while. I think we’re going to see layoffs. I think we’re going to see marches. I think we’re going to see fury north of the border.
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You could be 100 percent correct on that, Andy. And I think this is where, you know, unless they buckle. And by the way, I can say this because I’ve been been instructed when it comes to the podcast because of its national presence. And we go up into Canada quite a bit and so on. And that’s a whole nother discussion. But on this program, I have no qualms about talking about Canada, you know, any way, shape or form. Reality is they started this and it’s not going to end well for them. That’s what I’m going to say. I agree. They literally they started this and it’s not going to end well for them.
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I think the people of Canada are a bunch of idiot leftists who picked a fight that they shouldn’t and they are going to suffer.
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A large part of that country is, yes.
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Yes, a large part. And what’s really unfortunate, and I think Trump would agree it’s unfortunate, is that the good people in the middle in Western Canada who want to work with the U.S. are going to suffer in the meantime.
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Yeah, well, it’s no different than what happens here in the U.S. There’s a very large percentage of Canadians who are just like you and I, who think just like we do. I know some of them. I talk to some of them. I know where they’re coming from on these things, and I know that for a fact. On the same token, unfortunately— There’s also a ton of lefties. I mean, and when I talk lefties in Canada, they’re even worse than our lefties, Andy. They are so far left, they make some of ours look like they’re to the right. Am I right in saying that?
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Ottawa is basically an entire province of mumdonies.
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Yeah. They are total loony bins, Andy. Yeah. Literally, they are.
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And they need to feel pain for, I mean, I’m sorry. I don’t say that vindictively. I say that for their own good. They need to feel the pain because here’s the thing, Canada. We’ve been carrying you. You’ve had these ridiculous trade imbalances and tariffs, and you’ve allowed us and basically our consumers to carry you. Okay, it’s not fair. It’s not going to happen anymore. And now you’re going to have to do it on your own. And guess what? You’re going to fall, and a lot of you are going to be out of work. And you know what? You deserve it. And then maybe you can learn a lesson and vote like adults next time and not children.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We spent the first hour really talking about the Epstein quote-unquote files and the DOJ and all of that and really more of our side and really not poking at the left in that one. It’s as much our side as anybody’s in what that response should be like. And so we spent the first hour really going through what I feel our side should be looking at in regards to Andy and I both when it comes to that. And then Andy just asked me a question in regards to Canada, which was a great question because, yeah, Canada. What can they offer? You guys have, I’ll just say it straight, you have royally screwed up. You have allowed the lefties. And because of your anger for Trump, you let your emotions get in the way of what you should have been doing election-wise, and you screwed up big time.
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John, it’s like a husband who’s made that big mistake, and now there’s no amount of flowers, candy, or sorries that you can offer to your wife for that week.
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In regards to Canada and Trump?
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Yeah. That’s what it’s like right now. What can they even offer him?
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I am afraid you are correct.
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Okay, next question, because you are a business consultant. I want you to consult the wealthiest man in the world. Okay. Okay. Mr. Musk? Yeah, Elon Musk. And I’m not talking about his whole falling out with Trump. Yeah, that’s a whole other world. That’s a whole different world. I’m talking about the big, beautiful bill is a crusher for electric vehicles.
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Yeah, I talked about it yesterday. Right. Yeah, I went into detail of it yesterday. Okay. It’s really quick. It’s interesting that there was a complete article, which is a leftist website here in town, the Colorado Sun. There was a complete article in there this morning talking about if you’re going to buy an EV, buy it now because of X. Right. Basically reiterating everything I said on air yesterday.
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Right.
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But it’s almost like they were listening.
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But I think a lot of people are just assuming Elon is inflexible. Maybe he is. OK, but he’s inflexible and he’s going to just take an incredible economic bath on this and lose trillions or zillions or whatever zillion. I know with him, you always add two zeros. What would you advise him, though? Does he have to do that or can he pivot?
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I think the thing that Elon, I’ve said this now for a while, the thing Elon needs to do with the car company, he’s making a boatload of money on the Starlink side and on the SpaceX side. So that side he’s doing very well. But on the Tesla side, and I’ve said this for years now, one thing everybody has to remember, us included. Even though they sell cars, Tesla’s not a car company. Tesla’s a technology company. Right. He is making a boatload of money off of knowing what all of his users are doing with their cars, their shopping habits, and so on. So he is making a lot of money just off of the habits of his owners, not necessarily the cars that he’s selling. So yes, he’s making money selling cars, but really he’s making a lot more money on the data collection that he’s got coming back in off of cars.
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What is he selling?
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it for marketing absolutely making a ton of money off that end of it yeah that’s great that’s doing very well that way now i’ve also said though as a car guy for years that i think tesla’s got two problems one the ev thing is coming to an end as we know just because the subsidies and all of that not subsidies the tax credits let me say it correctly the tax credits are ending even a lot of states are going to be pulling back colorado included i was reading this this morning so I mentioned yesterday that the $7,500 Fed credit is going away at the end of September, September 30th. And in Colorado, it’s going to be greatly reduced on January 1 here in our state, all the way down to where it’s only going to be like $1,500 or so from the $4,000 or $3,500 that it is right now. And eventually, it’ll get phased out completely. In fact, to the point that those that are in charge of… The EV targets in Colorado are extremely worried because they’re not going to be met now with everything. They’re mad at Trump because they don’t like the bill. They don’t like what’s happening. They’re mad.
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Oh, John, those targets are dead nationwide.
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Oh, yeah, they’re dead, which, again, proves the point that we’ve been saying all along. I, as a car guy, have even been saying that if the car is good enough to stand on its own, it will. Now, in relation to Tesla, let’s go back to Tesla on EVs. I didn’t talk much about this yesterday, so this is a great question, Andy. number one elon needs some refreshing of the cars that he produces and what i mean by that is with the exception of one model that he just did a refresh on you can look at every car he produces you could take one sold in 2025 or one that was sold in 2020 or one that was sold in 2016 and they all look the same yeah There is virtually no difference between any of those. Therefore, people buy new cars because they like the look of this new model or the changes that are made in this new model. Or in a lot of cases, you’ve got X amount of miles, so I need to go ahead and move out of the car that I have. In the case of Tesla, there is no reason to move to a new model other than you’re just tired of the one you’re driving and you want a new car because the reality is, Inside of it, in driving it, it’s virtually the same, Andy. There is no difference. And that, to me, is one of Tesla’s problems in getting people back into their cars, even people that are currently driving them, getting them to buy again.
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I totally agree with that, but I don’t think it’s going to matter because I think EVs, period, are going to be, let’s face it, without the subsidies, and I’m going to use that word, subsidy, okay, because to me it’s a subsidy.
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That’s it. It’s actually worse than a subsidy because it’s a tax credit. It’s a check back to the consumer. Right now, you go into the dealership, and if you’ve got the money coming out of the state of Colorado at $3,500 and $7,500 from the feds, they literally take $13,000 right off the price of the car. You’re not paying. So it’s literally, it’s like you get a check for that money. Right.
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But that’s not going to come off anymore. And what I mean is, okay, they’re not going to sell anymore. Now, when you’re Toyota, you can just take your EVs and downplay them and focus more on your hybrids and other cars, right? You can shift. You can pivot with this change in the market. And they will. What does he do? Now, I guess what I’m asking is this. Why can’t this brilliant man and his brilliant company And don’t get me wrong. I think they would have to bring in some other car guys to help them with this. But why can’t they put together a whole new breed of hybrids that would just be terrific? Why not?
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Because they don’t have to. They don’t have to? He will be the exception to the EV rule. I do believe, and I talked about this yesterday.
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You really think these things are going to still keep making money after all this goes through?
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Tesla’s will, yes.
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Why?
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Because their technology is so much better than everybody else’s, and they self-drive. So those two things alone will give him an edge over all of the other EV companies, all of the other manufacturers that are making EVs because they’ll self-drive. And you can’t get that in any other car.
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You don’t think other people are going to match that?
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It hasn’t happened yet.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I know, but, I mean, you don’t think they will at some point?
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Given now that the incentives to even – what I was saying yesterday is the companies that have already poured – So you’re saying this is going to cut out his competitors in that area? In some ways, yes, because some – I do believe, and dovetailing into yesterday’s conversation that Richard and I were having – In regards to EVs in general, those that want to stay in the game. So General Motors, by the way, they will stay in the game. They have invested billions of dollars. Even those that say that EVs are done, General Motors isn’t going to sell anymore. Actually, General Motors in the last quarter outsold Tesla when it came to EVs. Now, part of that is because of the credits and things that we’re talking about that are going to go away. But you’re going to see General Motors pivot. If they’re smart, and I believe they are, you’re going to start seeing some ads on what makes an EV better. than a regular combustion engine vehicle? In other words, why should you own one, not just because you can save money on the tax sides of the fence, but what makes that vehicle better to own versus a competitive, we call them ICE engine, but internal combustion engine vehicle? What makes that one better than an internal combustion engine? And there are some things that make them different and in some cases better, and they’re going to have to sell and market off of that, which by the way, Andy, up to this point, they haven’t had to do. So they’re really going to have to think out of the box and get people to understand that this is what makes an EV better than another vehicle of its like, or of like kind, I should say, and they’ve never had to do that yet.
SPEAKER 16 :
But, John, the price difference is about to become prohibitive. Look, all of those subsidies have brought EVs down to where they were at least somewhat in the range.
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No, we did the math yesterday. Actually, Richard and I, I didn’t do it on air, but we did the math yesterday. And in a lot of cases, now, this is going to be the bigger question, is up to this point, most of the manufacturers making EVs are losing money on every EV they sell. Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’re losing money even at that level.
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Correct. So they’ve got to figure out how to get that turned around. But at current retail levels of EVs, in a lot of cases, they’re closer than you think. What’s made them so entertaining to people or so viable is because it makes them much cheaper than their gas competition. But in a lot of cases, that EV is only $3,000 to $5,000 more money than its competitor would be. So for example… Richard right now is driving a Hyundai Ioniq 5, I think is what he’s driving right now, which you would think like a Toyota Camry would be fairly comparable. So if you price both cars out, fully loaded Camry, fully loaded Ioniq, they’re only about $5,000 difference in price. There’s not as much difference there as you think.
SPEAKER 16 :
Is that after subsidies or no?
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No, that’s just retail price to retail price. That is not counting in. So really, right now, the Hyundai in Colorado, the $11,000 discount makes it cheaper. But if you just went out and looked at them retail to retail, they’re about $5,000 or so different. So what I’m saying is if manufacturers are smart and they’ve got their marketing teams right now working on what makes this car more fun to drive, then it’s… you know, internal combustion engine counterpart, they probably will still sell some if they actually get to that point, which, by the way, is what should have been happening from day one. The cars should have sold themselves based upon what they are, not because Uncle Sam said, buy these.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. John, the simple fact is if people were allowed without any of the carrots and sticks, if they were allowed to buy whatever they wanted, there would be very few EVs on the road.
SPEAKER 04 :
There would be less than there is today. There would be some. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
Definitely some. Of course there’s a market for it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 16 :
But it would be much smaller.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And so what I do feel, and Bob, I’ll probably take you after the break because it’ll be a longer conversation, but I also do believe, Andy, that some that are making them now probably won’t be. You’re going to see a filtering out of those that really want to be an EV manufacturer, like Tesla, like GM. It’ll be interesting to see what Ford does, because I think Ford has been selling on them.
SPEAKER 16 :
I want your prediction on Ford.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t think Ford keeps going with them, because they haven’t had huge success up to this point. I’m not sure… Well, I think I know why. I don’t think they fully bought into it. They did it because they had to. Keep in mind General Motors. Most people don’t realize this. General Motors was into the EV world long before Tesla even came along. They were doing things with EVs decades ago, again, long ago. long before even elon musk got into the picture so gm’s been playing around in that space for quite some time and they’ve got the money to be in that space and play around with it they will stay in the ev space even if it’s a limited you know if it’s a limited because they know eventually the self-driving end of things will eventually come to play and they could be a leader at that point okay bottom line my question then we go to break what should elon do come up with some new models of cars that look different than what he’s got right now. His technology is far superior to anybody else’s that’s out there. He’s got to make, A, a different-looking car, and I’ll just say it straight up as a car guy, a better car. The quality of a Tesla compared to even a GM counterpart, I’ll take the GM car all day long over the Tesla unless you’re looking at the technology side. Tesla’s got the technology side beat. But when it comes to the fit, quality, paint, sound, all of that, you know, the interior sound and so on, how quiet it is. The Tesla’s crap compared to some of the other cars that are in the market. Sorry for some of you Tesla owners, but they are not what some of the other manufacturers are making quality-wise. So, Bob, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. Great questions, by the way, Andy. Dr. Scott Faulkner is coming up next. And Dr. Scott wants to help you with all of your medical needs, staying healthy, making sure that you’re on track to actually stay healthy, have a fit life, and so on. And he does it by not following what the insurance company and big pharma says to do. So call him today, 303-663-6990.
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Call in to the KLZ studio line, 303-477-5600. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we are back. Myself, Andy Pate, and Bob from Thornton. You are next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, let me start out with Elon, and I’ll compare him to Henry Ford. Now, a lot of people think Henry Ford invented the automobile. He did not. He invented affordable automobiles.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he didn’t even invent the assembly line. He perfected the assembly line. Buick had an assembly line long before Ford did.
SPEAKER 10 :
Ford got his idea for the assembly line by watching meatpacking plants. He said if people can dismantle it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Again, Bob, he actually stole some of that from Buick as well because they were already doing it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, but, I mean, he looked at the dismemberment of cattle, and he said we can do this backwards to build cars. Henry Ford didn’t think anybody would ever need anything different than a Model T. Correct. To the detriment of— Fighting his own son.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, he lost a son basically over it, almost lost the company over that mentality.
SPEAKER 10 :
Chevrolet was kicking their butt, and he drove Edsel Ford into an early grave.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Model A. Correct. But Elon Musk, I don’t think he thinks anybody should need anything, but he’s not in the car business.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, he’s in the technology business. That’s the one difference probably, Bob, between Elon and Henry is Elon understands the tech end of things, and he knows while he’s selling cars, he’s actually collecting data.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I understand. He’s got a lot of peripheral data. technology things going on in his head. But I don’t think the guy’s a real good businessman. Look what he did. He bought Twitter and turned it to X, and he’s lost $100 billion on that company alone.
SPEAKER 04 :
He’ll get that. That’ll come back. That was actually a good move on his part. He’ll get that back. Because what he’s going to do, what his plan with X, and for everybody listening, follow me here because it’s going to happen. He’s already working on it now. As he builds his big AI data centers and gets Gronk fully loaded and so on, he wants X to become the app, the only app, like he feels you have with Tesla. He wants you, back to the Henry Ford example as well, Bob, he wants you to get to the point where the only app you’re using is X. You’re going to use it to buy things. You’re going to use it to communicate. You’re going to use it for AI things. You’re going to use it for everything.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s his ultimate goal with X. Well, you’re old enough to remember the dot-com revolution. And how many companies that jumped on that bandwagon are gone now?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the difference between that and – between that then and AI now, they’re not apples to apples.
SPEAKER 10 :
And AI is going to be gone.
SPEAKER 04 :
AI is – no, yeah, yeah. So – thousand companies to be doing ai no no no and that no no bob sorry that no you’re going to have this is the difference between back then versus the dot com dot bomb versus ai ai is so expensive and takes so much to do that it’s only the big guys doing it it’s going to be the amazons uh the elon musks the meta of course they’re putting in huge data centers right now for the ai end of things it’s actually going to be the opposite you’re going to have but just a few players in ai
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s going to be five or six that float to the top.
SPEAKER 04 :
At the most, yeah. Where in the dot bomb, there were thousands, as you know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, right. Yeah, exactly. And most of them are gone. But I think the worst product, if he wants to sell cars, I don’t know if he wants to sell cars, is that truck.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, it’s the ugliest thing ever. Yeah, and that’s a great example of him wanting to get into basically a segment of the market that, honestly, that truck is. Will it even succeed when it’s all said and done? That one I highly doubt, Bob. It’s the ugliest thing ever. It’s like the pacer of the future. Oh, it’s so ugly. So bad.
SPEAKER 10 :
There will be some pure EVs that survive. Yes. And there will be a lot of hybrids. Toyota will – Hybrid, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Andy and I were talking about that off-air, Bob. And, yeah, the hybrid end of things, which is where Toyota, of course, has really excelled. And, of course, they were very smart. Their CEO, I believe, was extremely – smart and saying we’re not going down the ev path we’re going to stick to the hybrid end of things it’s almost like they had a crystal ball knowing what was coming with the next election and the big beautiful bill because the reality is they’re going to be the ones coming out on top absolutely let me touch on one other little tangent on that you know i’m an uber driver uh these autonomous cars
SPEAKER 10 :
I have no clue is going to step up to the plate and buy these things. They’re going to be at least $100,000 a copy.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re already being made, Bob.
SPEAKER 10 :
Or so they can buy brand new.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, it’s a $5,000 option on a Tesla to be self-driving. It already exists. How much? It’s a $5,000 option. You can turn any Tesla to full self-driving with a $5,000 credit card purchase.
SPEAKER 10 :
To begin with, and another $5,000. I’ve had, well, I’ve had some other cars, but my everyday cars are Chevy Trax. I have never paid more than about $23,000 brand new for a Chevy Trax.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m not going to spend $100,000 for a car. even though I can let it drive itself.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you don’t have to. You can actually buy a Model 3 or a Model Y in the high 30s to low 50s and have it be full self-driving from Tesla. That’s, by the way, with no tax incentives.
SPEAKER 10 :
Let it leave my garage on its own and be on its own for the day?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s not that. He is one step away from that, but if you’re in the driver’s seat, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I don’t understand how it’s profitable for anybody, even a big corporation, to buy a fleet of a million of these things. Where are they going to get them? To just be out running around.
SPEAKER 04 :
uber’s uh uh well it’s it’s already you know and maybe in some of you guys listening may not know this but you know there’s there’s already you know ride share companies that are totally autonomous in certain cities we already saw that with some of the riots and stuff that were happening out in california right but uber’s business plan was let somebody buy a car maintain a car insure a car uh take the depreciation on a car the repairs on a car
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s not on them. That’s on the driver.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’re going to completely switch all that expense to the companies that own these autonomous cars?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think eventually what this is, and I don’t know this for sure, but my anticipation of Elon Musk is he eventually wants you just utilizing his autonomous car any number of ways. You could lease it on a monthly basis, yearly basis. You could rent it on a daily basis, even hourly basis. I could see it getting to the point, Bob, to where you don’t own a car. In this particular scenario, you don’t own it. He does.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, well, then their business plan is shifting all that expense back onto Uber rather than moving that.
SPEAKER 04 :
In this case, not onto anyone other than Tesla. What about a taxi service that he runs? That’s exactly where he’s headed with some of these things. He’s already done some of that. He’s already done some preliminary testing in that. Yes, absolutely. Well, taxi service. Well, the rideshare business really is what I would say that Andy’s talking about, not necessarily taxis, but the rideshare end of things, which is essentially what a taxi is. What Elon’s already working on is doing that autonomously to where it’s much like Waymo, only better.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, here’s how – when Uber and Lyft started up, here’s how they got around that. I call them the ride-share service.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
They were sharing a ride with the driver. Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, here’s – And really quick, before we move on, I do want to just mention this because this is like anything else that we get into for folks that are especially on the right. Before you knock any of that technology or even knock a Tesla – Go drive one. Go rent one for a day. Go do whatever you need to to get behind the wheel because the technology will astound you. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not talking about the cars anymore. Now I’m talking about local and state governments and maybe federal. They’re going to say it’s no longer ride sharing because you’re not sharing a ride with a driver anymore. And they’re going to come up with all these kind of things that used to be thrown on the taxi drivers with regulation, regulation, regulation.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re going to say… And this is something that, you know, I’m not on the legislative end of things, but every state, and might even have to be something done on a federal level in regards to the standards whereby some of these quote-unquote autonomous vehicles operate legally. under that that’s a whole nother level bob that i’m not sure most folks even and this is the problem you’ve got folks at state and national levels that and i’m not trying to brag here bob but they they don’t know they don’t know a percent of what i know and i’m talking about right now on air these are people that are going to make the laws for the very things that you and i are talking about and andy’s talking about and yet none of them know anything about it And Citi, you forgot Citi. Oh, yeah, all of them, Citi, State, Feds, you name it. You’re going to have a bunch of knuckleheads trying to write rules and laws, meaning that you’ll end up with a bunch of lobbyists doing it for them because they won’t have the experts in the room like they should.
SPEAKER 10 :
Government’s going to want a big tax share of all that stuff.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. That I won’t argue with you on, Bob. No, you’re correct on that. And just like they get the money out of the taxi companies, what do they call it, the shields or the badges, or what’s it called in the taxi world that they own?
SPEAKER 10 :
taxi drivers in New York City used to pay a million dollars for a taxi medallion.
SPEAKER 04 :
Medallion, that’s the word I was looking for for the medallions, yes. And that’s going to change, too. So those folks that are out in those areas, and they’ll be, as you know, Bob, they will be fighting that. Those medallion owners will be fighting this tooth and nail because they don’t want to give up what they feel today is worth a million bucks in their medallion that they can now go out and sell. Eventually, if things go down the path of what I’m saying, those things will be worthless.
SPEAKER 10 :
All medallions in New York City have dropped about 90% in value. But the other thing they need to do is start taxing these EVs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not the hybrids.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Road tax. And you just said something that most people don’t even think about. It’s not just the EVs that should be paying a little more on their registrations or whatever when it comes to road tax. So should the hybrids.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, hybrids use a little gas.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not as much as its total ICE counterpart, its total internal combustion engine, fully propelled, no batteries at all. Keep in mind, most hybrids are in that 50, 55 mile-to-the-gallon range where their counterpart might be in the low 20s.
SPEAKER 10 :
But the hybrids aren’t as heavy and they’re not putting as much wear on the road.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not as, but they’re heavier than, again, their internal combustion engine counterpart is.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, they’re going to have to start taxing them.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with you. Again, that’s something, Bob, that, again, we’ve got folks at the state and federal level that, again, unfortunately, because of their background, have no experience with some of the things you and I and Andy are talking about. None.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I think a lot of these peripheral EV makers that are—
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with you on that one. In fact, Bob, I would go as far as to say that I think there’s even some manufacturers. I talked about Ford a moment ago. I think unless Ford has some sort of a lifeline given to them on the EV end of things, they drop out.
SPEAKER 10 :
Ford has made all their profits on the F-150 and 250s.
SPEAKER 04 :
Actually, believe it or not, it’s on their Super Duty line. If Super Duties were their own manufacturer, they would be in the top 10. Yeah. That’s how many of those trucks they make.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, for the last 50 years.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they make a boatload of money off Super Duties.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, well, thanks for all your time. No, good conversation, Bob. And, again, these are things that I’ll be just straight-up honest for all of you, not that we ever would lie to you, but reality is these are conversations, Andy, no other radio show anywhere is having because they don’t understand it. No, that’s pretty much us here. Yeah, no one knows how to even have these conversations. And some of you are thinking, well, yeah, because no one cares. You should because transportation in this country and the freedom of is a huge topic.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And it’s going to be changed a lot.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial. How are you, Al? Oh, I’m doing great, TJ. How are you? I’m doing well. I was talking to my wife recently about IRAs, and it came to mind. I wanted to ask you, is that something you deal in? And if so, what’s it all about?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, I would say probably 80-90% of the people who come into my office and we sit down and have a conversation about their resources and so forth, I would say a very high percentage of them either have an IRA or they may be in the process of maybe moving their 401k to an IRA because they’re severing their employment. So IRAs come up a lot.
SPEAKER 14 :
What kind of questions do you get around IRAs typically?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, sometimes people ask me when do I have to start taking money out of my IRA, which are the required minimum distributions. Sometimes they ask questions about how much they can put into their IRA, which this year is seven thousand dollars. Unless they’re over 50, then they can put in eight thousand dollars. I usually end up recommending a Roth IRA because if people are younger, then that can grow tax-free and ultimately pay tax-free income. And Roth IRAs, they don’t have required minimum distribution, so you can take the money out of a Roth IRA on your schedule rather than the Treasury Department’s schedule.
SPEAKER 14 :
And now, where do people normally go wrong with their IRAs before getting your help?
SPEAKER 19 :
By not starting one. As soon as you have earned income, you can be working at Starbucks at a very young age. And if you want to, you can be putting money into an IRA.
SPEAKER 14 :
Don’t do the shoulda, coulda, woulda. Al, it’s been a pleasure. Thank you for coming in today. Go to klzradio.com slash advertisers to find Golden Eagle Financial.
SPEAKER 19 :
Very good. If you have a question about your IRA, give my office a call. 303-744-1128.
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Listen online. klzradio.com Back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Dan and Blackhawk, go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
So kind of related to what you guys were just talking about with Bob is regulations of e-bikes. So I have an e-bike, and people that are making regulations don’t know anything about them, and they’re listening to the non-e-bike people, and they need to get on one and ride it to understand it. But you have YouTubes with people riding e-bikes, that aren’t e-bikes or like motorcycles, and they think people riding e-bikes on trails are going to go 50 miles an hour, and they’re not.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, but I souped mine up, so it does.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you souped yours up, yeah. I don’t have one. Just so you know, I was on pavement with my e-bike, and I have two settings. I have 750 watts and 1,500 watts. And, of course, the higher wattage, you can go faster. But I told somebody the other day, and this was a year ago or so, I was going 50 miles an hour on that e-bike, but I was pedaling. I couldn’t go 50 miles an hour if I was just throttling it with just the electricity.
SPEAKER 05 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I actually had to pedal to get up to that e-bike. Of course, going 50 miles an hour on pavement with a little bicycle helmet, I’m like, this is too dangerous, so I had to slow down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s zooming. What’s that? I said, that’s zooming.
SPEAKER 11 :
It is. On a bike. Yeah. But I couldn’t sustain that, you know, because it’s going to eat up my battery life pretty quickly. So, you know, riding your e-bike on trails and stuff, If you just use the throttle and not pedal, you’re going to be pedaling on the way back to wherever you started.
SPEAKER 04 :
So without pedaling, what’s top speed on yours, like 30 miles an hour?
SPEAKER 11 :
I could probably go 40 maybe for a little bit.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
You put it in gear. It all depends on your gearing and stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now, I keep it at 750 watts, but if I’m at 1,500 watts… I haven’t tried it at 1,500 watts because, of course, that takes a lot of the battery, sucks the battery life really quickly. So, you know, so it’s just people making regulations, like you said, that don’t have any idea about it. And, you know, there’s people on regular mountain bikes that can go way faster than they can go pretty fast on their non-e-bike. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they can go fairly fast.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they want to penalize e-bikes because they think they’re actually faster when, in fact, they’re not.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I mean, it’s all experience. Now, if you’ve got an experienced e-bike rider, they might be able to do it. But, you know, my e-bike is a fat tire one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I watch a lot of guys ride them, and they’re like you. They’re trucking around at, you know, 15, 20 miles an hour maybe. I mean, there’s a lot of cases where a guy on a 10-speed, you know, road bike even is going to go faster.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and most people, this is the thing, most people that get those e-bikes, they’re older because they can afford them. You know, I guess there’s cheap ones, but the high-dollar ones, they’re older people, and they’re not getting them. to go crazy fast on they’re just getting them so that they can they can enjoy riding without uh… you know being out of breath all the time because they’re not a they’re not even going to shape of young correct of the young writers correct you know yep mixed make total sense i mean they can put i mean instead of just shutting everything down to e-bikes on trails they they they can regulate it and say hey you can only go twenty miles an hour right or whatever you know I mean, it’s just like the speed limit. That’s right. People always violate the speed limit, but instead they just want to shut down the trails to people who might enjoy riding the trail that wouldn’t be able to ride them otherwise because they’re too old or they may have some physical limitations with their body.
SPEAKER 04 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 11 :
And so instead they just shut it down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, makes total sense. You know? Dan, I’m going to let you roll. Get one more call in here before the top of the hour. Soren, go ahead, sir. You’re up next. Got two minutes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. So you know how you and Andy were saying that Tesla hasn’t done any major refreshes?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, last year they refreshed the Model 3. This year they refreshed the Model Y. And what they did was they put better chips in them for self-driving. They also improved their quality control. And they made it a lot quieter inside by a long shot.
SPEAKER 04 :
I haven’t driven the new redesigned ones to know how much quieter they are looks-wise. Yeah, they changed the front end a little bit, and they look slightly different than they did before, but not a ton.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, they look the same to me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, if you look, Tesla also has done marketing to the younger generation, so people like me, well, I think in the future I might want to buy a Tesla. It’s a cool car, and…
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they have got to do, for me personally, they have got to do a better job of their interior noise, which I’ll look at a new one if you’re saying they’re actually quieter, because that’s been my biggest complaint with some of the previous generations, Soren, is they’re stinking loud inside. I mean, they’re obnoxiously loud road noise-wise inside.
SPEAKER 16 :
Soren, I picture you on a Tesla tractor.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no. I kind of want a Model 3 or a Cybertruck, actually.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, you want the Cybertruck.
SPEAKER 04 :
That thing is ugly as sin, Soren. But Soren’s cool.
SPEAKER 09 :
It might be, but it’s pretty cool.
SPEAKER 04 :
So ugly.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they are a lock wire. You have to drive one of them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and I haven’t driven a Cybertruck yet. I’ve been in a 3. I’ve been in a Y. Now, I haven’t been in any brand-new ones because, as you know, they just came out. They just did a redesign, and some of those haven’t really even hit the roads quite yet. I haven’t seen too many redesigned ones on the road. I’ve only seen one so far. That was over at Roy and ProTech. They had one in there. They’re doing a PPFR.
SPEAKER 09 :
You must not be looking too hard because I see them every day. In fact, I just drove— a little bit over to Eaton, and I saw four of them on the way, and that’s a 20-mile drive.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, good for you. Yeah, and I probably, to your point, are not paying a ton of attention because… Well, the big thing that they did was they changed the front end on both of them. Right. They used to look a little bit more A-shaped, and now they squared them off. Yeah, they got more of a… Well, they actually look more V-shaped in the front is what they… To me, that’s the change. They look more V-shaped in the front than they have in the past. The lights are thinner. The front lights are way thinner, and they come all the way across the hood, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, somewhat.
SPEAKER 04 :
Where they didn’t before? Sorry, that’s on a Model Y. The Model 3s aren’t running all the way across the hood, but the Ys run all the way across the bottom of the hood where they didn’t before.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Okay. Yeah. I’ll pay more attention and look when I’m out driving around and see. And, again, they have got very – for anybody out there listening, they are very cool. And to your point, Soren, the technology – and I’ll just say it straight up. It is second to none. If they’ve got the inside quieter than the past, then, yeah, I would actually be interested. But they’re too noisy for me right now.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you have to look. And right now they’re also – are a lot cheaper than they were even last year. That’s right. When every other manufacturer has been raising prices, it’s been lowering them.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’ve been lowering them. That’s right. Soren, as always, appreciate you, man. We’ll come back. Another full hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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