Listeners are treated to an engaging dialogue centered on automotive challenges familiar to many car owners. This episode offers practical solutions, from coping with catalytic converter inefficiencies to understanding the implications of California’s stringent automotive compliance laws. With a spotlight on listener Todd’s inquiries about economical solutions ahead of his move to Florida, the show serves as an informative guide for those facing similar dilemmas. As always, the Drive Radio team remains committed to educating and empowering their audience with the knowledge to make informed automotive decisions.
SPEAKER 28 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 26 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. The Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out till 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
SPEAKER 04 :
Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado Select Auto Care Centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560 The Source.
SPEAKER 22 :
All right, Drive Radio, KLZ 560, Hour 2. Thanks for joining us today. We appreciate it very much. Ken Rackley, Toontech Automotive with us today. Mark Guernsey, Accountable up in Broomfield as well. We have got Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer, and Larry Unger answering phones. Lines are open 303-477-5600. Our question of the day was give us your favorite car song, song about cars, songs you like playing in the car, whatever. We’re pretty loose on that. You can text us or call in directly. Again, text line 307-282-22. Todd in Highlands Ranch, you’re next.
SPEAKER 18 :
Hey, John, how’s it going?
SPEAKER 22 :
We’re good, sir.
SPEAKER 18 :
Does it have to be a song? How about a podcast?
SPEAKER 22 :
That’s fine, too.
SPEAKER 18 :
John Rush’s podcast.
SPEAKER 22 :
Oh, thank you. Thank you, Todd.
SPEAKER 18 :
Hey, I know we talk about this subject a lot, and that’s catalyte converters, and I just got the indicator light showing up on my Ford Explorer for the first time, and it turns out it is. catalytic converter related. Efficiency. I stopped and visited your guys over at Napa, and you gave me this product. It’s called Cat Clean. You put it in your tank, a quarter full, and then you go through that, and then you fill it up a couple of times with premium, and hopefully it flushes out and resets. Is there a good chance it’s going to reset? No. I’ve only got 130,000 miles on this.
SPEAKER 22 :
At 130, and a lot of that’s going to depend upon how it’s been driven, highway, city, how much has been built up in it. I mean, here’s the thing. You’re not out a lot of money in trying what you’re going to try, so would I try it? Sure.
SPEAKER 01 :
Can’t hurt.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, you’re not losing anything. You’re not hurting a thing. I mean, it’s not bad advice at all. If it works, great. You’re ahead of the curve. I will tell you, though, even if you do that, plan on at some point, even if this fixes it, plan on doing one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it’s coming up. Yep, yep.
SPEAKER 22 :
So either keep the car, plan on that expense, or dump it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, so here’s a caveat. I’m moving to Florida next year. Unfortunately, my registration tabs are going to be due in October. So, you know, if it doesn’t pass, it doesn’t pass. But I’m trying to figure out a cheaper alternative, you know, that is if I should go with an aftermarket maybe, if that’s going to save me any money. So when I moved to Florida, you know, it won’t matter at that time.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re about the same price now. Yeah, the aftermarket and the, yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
Well, because in Colorado, they all have to be California compliant, and that’s a new law in Colorado, Todd. That’s why what Mark and Ken are telling you is so true because the pricing is very, very similar because of that fact it has to be California compliant.
SPEAKER 18 :
So you’re not saving a whole lot of money.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, and usually you’re better off going with the OE because they fit better. And anyway, do you ever go through the remote testing on the highway on ramps and stuff like that?
SPEAKER 18 :
I do. As a matter of fact, the previous two years, that’s how I’ve passed the mission.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, good. So more than likely, you know, it will still likely pass. And so hopefully when you get your renewal card. you know, that will already be registered, you know, already.
SPEAKER 22 :
And you gotta be, is it 90 plus 90 days? So, yeah. So you’re, you’re like, you need to find testing stations now and run through those purposely right now.
SPEAKER 12 :
10 times a day for the next week.
SPEAKER 22 :
Because you are right in that, you’re right at that line.
SPEAKER 12 :
But if you’ve been doing it up to this point, then you should be okay. Yeah, then you should be okay. You definitely don’t want to put it to the floor while you’re going through there either. No, light throttle. Yeah, light throttle, as long as you’re accelerating some.
SPEAKER 18 :
What do you anticipate an approximate cost for replacement, if I stick this into one of your guys?
SPEAKER 09 :
What kind of car is this? It’s a floor.
SPEAKER 18 :
What year? 2013 Ford Explorer. It’s a base model.
SPEAKER 12 :
six cylinder yeah there’s four is there four on that there’s probably four on at least two i would say probably right off the manifold so it was at a four i mean 420 or 430 or both codes uh four shoot i had it written down here okay Because if it’s a 430 and then there’s at least two cats.
SPEAKER 18 :
I was going to say, I think there’s two because I chat GPT’d it earlier and it did say two.
SPEAKER 09 :
My next concern is what caused that cat to fail because just mileage doesn’t generally do that. And the biggest thing I’m seeing lately is a head gasket leak, even minor. of exhaust gases getting into the cooling system, but then coolant also getting into the engine, going out the cat, antifreeze will kill a cat faster than most things. So you don’t want to buy a new cat and have it fail again.
SPEAKER 18 :
Because that price is not less than a couple thousand. Yeah, that would be awesome. But, yeah, I don’t drive it a whole lot. I work remotely, so… I don’t put a whole lot of miles on it during the day, so I thought, well, maybe it’s the fact that I don’t drive it much. I just, you know, go to the gym or the grocery store a few miles away every day. Other than that, I don’t drive it a lot. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because like Mark was saying, you’re not going to be under $2,000 on that single cat.
SPEAKER 22 :
No, I was going to say top of my head, Todd, by the time you do that whole job, you’re $3,000 or so pretty easily.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good chance. Okay, cool.
SPEAKER 22 :
Kind of hard to say without our software in front of us.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 22 :
But if you can get by until you move, do it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, exactly. Hopefully that remote sensing will pick you up at a pass, and you can fly right through with that.
SPEAKER 22 :
Absolutely. Well, yeah, because, Todd, once you get to Florida, you could put a regular cap back on it legally, have no issues, and it’s a lot less money.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 22 :
Sounds great. Okay. Appreciate you, Todd. Thanks. Great question, by the way. I appreciate that very much. Stephen Aurora, you’re next.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, hopefully I don’t open up a whole Pandora’s box here, but you were talking about CARB. Well, there’s a lot of legislation right now getting rid of CARB. and just the EPA handling it all through the federal government.
SPEAKER 09 :
I would be shocked if that happens.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, California’s got so much pull that, I mean, let me say this. Never say never. We’ve seen all sorts of things change under this administration that you’ve not seen in the past, so I can’t say never say never. I wish that would happen, Steve. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous that California has its own car board in the first place. So if that happened, hallelujah, I’m in.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. And then the other thing that I just heard is Nevada actually just made it a criminal offense. If you mess with anything on the vehicle, any, you know, catalytic converters or tailpipes. Emissions components. Muffler. You mess with anything and they’ve made it a criminal offense now. Right.
SPEAKER 22 :
I’m not sure. I’ll look that up, and I appreciate the tip because I did not know that. I haven’t seen that. I follow a lot of the news that comes out of even SEMA and so on where they watch and lobby against a lot of those things. So I will definitely check that out. I’m not sure how well, for example, changing the muffler and so on would hold up in court. I mean, if it’s a state law, it’s a state law, I guess. But to me, I think that one could be challenged very easily. The emission side, I absolutely can see them doing that and enforcing it because other states like Colorado do.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s already a federal offense. I mean, punishable, probably not. By fines, yeah. Right.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, they’ve never done it on a personal basis. It’s always been at the shop level and so on, Steve. So, yeah, I’m going to look this one up because that’s a great tip I had not heard.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, so just throwing out some questions there.
SPEAKER 22 :
No, I appreciate that. What state was that? Nevada, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay, I will look that up. All right. Thank you. Steve, appreciate that. Thank you very much. I had not heard that, so I will double-check that. Tim in Colorado Springs, you’re next.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, so on your catalytic converter stuff, I had a 2018 Chevy Colorado with 150,000 miles in it. It had the efficiency issue on my left catalytic converter, and if I ordered one in Colorado, it was $1,600 with a $400 core. But if I ordered the same exact part number and had it shipped to New Mexico, it was $1,100 worth of $400 cores. So you can save $500 if you ship it down to New Mexico.
SPEAKER 09 :
But a shop can’t install that catalytic converter legally.
SPEAKER 12 :
Was that a Chevy dealer that ordered it?
SPEAKER 19 :
No, I ordered it, and I put it in. Oh, okay. Okay. So anyway, just to let you know.
SPEAKER 12 :
So was it a Chevy part number?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 22 :
But you had to drive down and pick it up yourself, right?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, but I still saved a lot of money.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, because they will not ship. And that’s good to know because they will not ship into Colorado at all, as you know.
SPEAKER 19 :
I know. Right. Yep. And it’s the same part number.
SPEAKER 12 :
So Colorado dealers are jacking up the cost? Is that what you kind of gathered on that?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, I would love to know. I think it’s because the California EPA crap. And if that’s the case, then I would be really interested to know if it’s the same part. going to Colorado or New Mexico, then what’s the state doing with that extra? Who’s getting that extra $500?
SPEAKER 09 :
Something doesn’t add up there.
SPEAKER 22 :
In that case, it’s probably a comp. Because I’m not going to dog the dealer here. Most likely, that’s going to come out of the manufacturer to the dealer. All they’re doing is taking whatever their cost is and doing their suggested retail price and selling it to you. So most likely, that’s coming from the manufacturer, I would guess. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I don’t know, but it works.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, and for a while now, and for those of you listening, there were some folks that were trying to do that in Wyoming, and what’s happened up in Wyoming is most of the guys up there will not do that any longer is what we’re hearing. So for some of you saying, yeah, you can go do the same thing in Wyoming, yeah, no, you can’t because most of them have gotten – to the fact that Colorado guys were driving up there, buying things, and then driving right back down. And I don’t know, Tim, if they’re requiring ID or how they’re doing that, but that is not as easy in Wyoming as it once was.
SPEAKER 12 :
In-state registration. Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
I had it shipped to a buddy of mine’s address, and when I ordered the thing, I had to give him my VIN number, so I thought I might get caught there. But anyway, it worked. Came in UPS, and they dropped it off. I did the fake sign signature online thing.
SPEAKER 22 :
So make sure I’m following you. So you actually had a friend in New Mexico that you shipped it to in New Mexico? Yeah. Okay, perfect. And I think anybody that might have some ins on that, even in Wyoming potentially, I think you could get by doing that. But I don’t think you can be a Colorado resident and roll right into Wyoming by a catalytic converter that’s non-California compliant.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t know about that.
SPEAKER 22 :
I don’t think you can.
SPEAKER 19 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 22 :
So, yeah, that’s a good workaround. But now, here’s the thing. Somebody has to have a friend there.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yep, yep, yep. I could sell you his name for a couple. There you go, Tim.
SPEAKER 12 :
There you go. Hey, we can make money with this. That’s absolutely right. There you go.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right.
SPEAKER 22 :
All right, appreciate you. No, good tip. Yeah, for some of you that have friends, relatives, neighbors, things like that where you may have some sort of a connection out of state on these catalytic converters and you can put it on yourself, yes, you could do exactly what he just said. Now, where it becomes dicey is if you run into any problems at all, Putting that on, and you go to a shop in this Colorado area, they are not going to help you finish the install of a non-California compliant catalytic converter. They’re not going to do it.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, it sounded like the cat that he ordered was an OE manufactured cat. The same part number here in Colorado, it was $500 less to order it from GM or from whoever. And have it shipped there. And have it shipped there. It was $500 less. That was what I gathered from that conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that’s what’s not making sense to me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, exactly. That’s why I was like, well, are they – Yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
But for those of you that, you know, again, you buy a cat outside of… You’re traveling. You’re in Arkansas. I’ll just pick up a cat while I’m here. Okay, that’s fine. And you can do that.
SPEAKER 11 :
You can put it on.
SPEAKER 22 :
And you could buy that. And as long as you can install it yourself… Right. you would be okay doing so, but you will not get anyone here, professionally speaking, that will install that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Because if they get caught. Right. If you don’t ask them to install your cat, they won’t ask you to pay the $50,000 fine. Right. There you go.
SPEAKER 22 :
All right. We’ll come back here in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 08 :
It’s all right. It’s all right. I’m going to wake you up early because I’m going to take a ride with you. We’re going down to the Honda shop. I’ll tell you what we’re going to do. All right.
SPEAKER 22 :
Drive Radio, KLZ 560. And great songs, by the way. And the question of the day is, favorite car song or songs that you play while driving? And lots of you have texted in, which I appreciate. I’ll read some of those off here through the show, but keep texting. I appreciate that as well. And if you have a regular question, we can answer that. either through the text line or directly here. And for a lot of you that text in, I can answer that on air, and I do. And a lot of times you hear it, and I don’t have to text back. So just let me know if you’re listening, and I’ll answer that on air and avoid me having to use my thumbs to type back in on my phone. So at any rate, 307-282-22, the regular line, of course, 303-477-5600. Myself, Ken Rackley. And, of course, Mark Guernsey here as well. And just to dovetail back into Mark did look up the law in Nevada. And, yeah, it’s a law against individuals where if you’re tampering with the exhaust system. And, by the way, in a way that would change the emissions on the car. So you’ve got any kind of a cutout or things that are bypassing emissions devices or so on. Yeah, of course, that stuff’s all going to be illegal. And it’s… This is something that I would have to go research. Have they enforced that on any individuals in Nevada? Because, by the way, most states have similar laws. Colorado does as well. Although here in Colorado, the only thing they’ve done is gone after shops that have been doing some of those things. So the diesel tuners where they’re deleting and things like that. And yes, even though and this is where it’s totally wrong. There’s some guys, some influencers out on YouTube and TikTok and Facebook and so on. claiming that with the new EPA head and with what’s going on with the Trump administration and so on, that all of those emission things and the delete devices and so on, those are now all legal. Yeah, no, nothing could be farther from the truth. Those guys actually should be banned from having accounts and such, saying such wrongful things, because no, nothing could be farther from the truth. There is nothing that has changed law-wise saying that. you can delete your diesel vehicle and get by with it. There are state laws, even like in Colorado, whereby if you do that, you’re liable to be in trouble. Now, individually speaking, can you get by with that? Probably, although you’re really on some shaky ground there if you do. Shop-wise, there are some shop owners, as we speak, a shop owner in Colorado that is in jail, as we speak, for doing the very things we’re talking about, and that has happened recently. the past year here in Colorado so bottom line if you’re a shop doing some of those things I wouldn’t my advice to you all would be I would not do that because you’re really on shaky ground and you could end up paying a lot of you could lose your business let’s just say it that way so some people have actually lost their business over these things and it’s very unwise to do so now am I all for the emissions devices that are on these vehicles no I think a lot of more crap I’ll be the first to admit they’re causing more grief than they’re worth. They’re not even helping out as far as the overall environment is concerned. A lot of these, especially on the diesels, what they’re doing with extra fuel, they’re injecting down the downpipe to actually clean things up and so on means you’re using more fuel. I mean, all in all, is it better for the environment? No, it is not. But at the end of the day, it is what it is, and it’s the law. And if you defeat any of those devices as a shop, you’re going to be in trouble.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. And in some cases, it can affect the way they run, things like that, too. Overall fuel economy, yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
At the end of the day, and this is the other thing, too, and I have seen this, even some of the delete devices whereby you think – Things are running well once you’re done. If you really look at some of the programming that’s gone into some of these, some of it is so rough and it is so out there that what you think is going on is really not what’s going on. And again, personally speaking, I would not go down that path, even though I’m a hot rodder and I come out of the world of probably being more on the edge than what Most would be when it comes to some of those things. It’s just one of those areas. And even when I own shops, we never did anything along those lines at all that defeated anything emissions wise because doing so, that’s the stuff that you can lose your business over. And I wasn’t willing to go down that path.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it’s not worth it. Yeah. And, you know, and I don’t. I think back and I, you know, you get a car in the shop that the cat’s not working or it’s a, you know, not that we work on old cars, but a cat that’s not working. And you start and run that thing in the shop. You know it. And it’s like, how did we sit at traffic lights with cars without catalytic converters?
SPEAKER 09 :
Because they smell so bad. Stinky.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, right. Exactly. And I don’t remember that as a kid or anything like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you?
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, shop space is confined, so all that exhaust stays right there. Sure. But, yeah, there’s just certain cars you didn’t want to follow or be around at all. Right. Yeah. And you still see some on the highway. Sure. They’re smoking and smell terrible. Right. Exactly. But it was much more common 30 years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Bottom line, for some of you where you’re trying to figure, hey, how do I save money on this cat? I’ve got this coat. I’ve got this going on. It’s not going to pass emissions, et cetera. How do I save money? it’s extremely hard to because you’re not gonna find any shops professionally that are going to help you. And if you do find one that does, here’s my advice, run. Because they are doing things that, here’s how I look at it, folks, and maybe I’m looking at it the wrong way. If they’re willing to cheat the government when it comes to things that are supposed to be done properly, exhaust system-wise and so on, then what else are they willing to cheat on? That’s why I say run. So if they’re willing to cheat in this area, what else are they going to cheat you on?
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re willing to cheat you, yes.
SPEAKER 22 :
It’s like the old story of if you teach your employees to steal for you, they will steal from you. How is this any different? Yes. Bottom line, at the end of the day, I would not do business with a shop willing to do those things because if they’re willing to cheat in that area, where else are they going to cheat? And at the end of the day, how is that going to cost you money? So that’s my feeling on things. So Chris and Centennial, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, John and Ken, it’s Chris. Hey, Chris.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, Chris.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. I’m getting more serious about purchasing a new Chevy truck. Okay. The Minimax with the 30 miles to the gallon. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And a half ton. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. And a half ton. And just wondering, you know, I’m thinking about building it. You know, having it built.
SPEAKER 22 :
Oh, sure. Ordering it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And what is the best gear ratio for highway? Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s probably only going to allow one on that anyway. Yeah, I don’t think you have any choice. I think it’s 342 if I remember right.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, I’ll double-check that one, Chris, but I’m with Ken.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t think you have a choice. I think it’s a 373. Or it could be, yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
With the little engine, they might do that, which is fine. I mean, there would be nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Probably still running the 10-speed and that and stuff and probably the bigger tires.
SPEAKER 15 :
And actually, I got a loaner for the weekend, and I just took it up to the Loveland Pass yesterday. And it’s a rocket ship. It’s amazing.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Yeah, they run good, definitely.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ken, do you know any?
SPEAKER 22 :
major flaws with them other than the oil belt right the 100k service on that is really so you’re talking about the three liter diesel right yeah yes great great engine we we have several in our fleet you just have to remember that if you’re going to drive that vehicle all the way to you know to the 100k mark that you’re going to be doing that belt at the back of the engine and it’s not cheap so as long as you’ve got that in the back of your mind and you know that you should be good oh yeah that’s not a problem i
SPEAKER 15 :
It would take me 10 years probably before I get to that point.
SPEAKER 12 :
And why are you going with the diesel, Chris?
SPEAKER 15 :
Just for the economy because I do a lot of highway driving. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and, you know, just my thoughts on that is… Oil changes are more expensive. Your fuel filters are more expensive. You know, I mean, there’s additional costs to owning a diesel is what I was, you know, and then your initial purchase too.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that doesn’t bother me because I have access to a shop and a lift and I can do it pretty much myself. Oh, sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
And do they, does Mobile One make the 020 diesel oil?
SPEAKER 11 :
Is that what it takes on that one? I thought it was heavier than that. Yeah, I thought it was heavier than that, too.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I just checked it. It’s 020. Huh. Because the DelVac. It’s a dextrose, you know, oil that we’re buying.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, sure.
SPEAKER 15 :
But I didn’t know it was mobile, because I usually, I’m exclusively, I’m mobile one for years.
SPEAKER 12 :
Mobile one, yeah, right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Except my Porsche.
SPEAKER 22 :
And yes, they do. I’m looking now. Yes, they do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, cool. All right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That was your deciding factor? That was your deciding factor? Oh, okay. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the ESPX2 oil. Okay. European and diesel.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, good. Okay. So you haven’t seen much regen issues?
SPEAKER 12 :
Not on that one.
SPEAKER 15 :
We really haven’t. Here you just have to get them hot. Don’t drive to the grocery store and come home.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, any diesel.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s true with most diesels, yeah. Exactly. Right, right. But, yeah, I mean, so you’re not towing anything with it, really, or anything like that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not yet. Okay. Plans for the future? Yeah, I’d like to hold my Porsche around country sometime.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that would do it just fine.
SPEAKER 15 :
Speaking of you talking about driving a car, yeah, an old Porsche, you do have to pay attention.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. It’s manual. Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 22 :
And just really quick as a side note, and I don’t know if this matters, I think right now there’s a deal on 2025 Silverados financing discounts and so on. If you can find what you need in stock… and has all the right equipment, you might save more money than actually ordering one because ordering one, you probably won’t get a 2025. It’ll be a 2026, and it’ll be a higher price and everything else to go with it. So if you could find one in stock the way you like it equipped, you might be ahead that way, Chris.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, you are correct because, yes, right now it is a 2026 that I would build, and they don’t have – lower financing on a new build.
SPEAKER 22 :
No, they don’t. And right now, I think they’ve got $0.60, I want to say, on some of the Silverados.
SPEAKER 21 :
Wow, nice.
SPEAKER 22 :
So, I mean, again, you’ve got to find what you want and don’t sacrifice along those lines. But anymore, Chris, the way they package things up, you special order one isn’t a whole lot different than what some of these are going to be on the lot, providing you find the right color and interior color, you know, outside color, interior color you want. The rest of them on a diesel are pretty much going to be loaded.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 22 :
And as you know, you can go, for those of you that maybe don’t know this, but in your case, you can go right to Chevy’s website, do an inventory search, do a 400 or 500-mile search and see what’s around, and nothing says you can’t roll out, fly in one way and drive back even. Most of these dealers will pick you up from the airport even if you decide to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, yep. Yeah, I’m working with a guy at Bozarth, and I think, yeah, I’ll pursue all those. Different avenues.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. They can even locate one if you can’t, possibly.
SPEAKER 15 :
Does anybody want to buy an 18-year-old avalanche?
SPEAKER 22 :
You know what? That’s still sellable. That’s one of those where they probably won’t trade for that car because it’s not. That’s one where, Chris, honestly, if it were me, I would call Ridgeline up in Boulder. They’ll probably buy that truck outright from you if you don’t want to go through the hassle of consignment and all that. They’ll either do it one of two ways. They’ll either consign it or they’ll buy it because that’s a truck that they could put on the lot and sell for you pretty easily.
SPEAKER 12 :
I can’t remember. Yours is three-quarter ton or half ton?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it’s a half-ton. A half-ton, okay. LTZ. And actually, I did talk to Justin a week or so ago about it. He sounded interested.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, they would take it, I’m pretty sure.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, okay. All right. Well, like I said, I’m just pursuing these things now and getting closer, but haven’t pulled the trigger yet.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. There you go. Well, good deal. Appreciate you, Chris, as always. Thanks, Chris. Good talking to you.
SPEAKER 22 :
All right, let’s take our break. We’ll come right back in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 22 :
All right. Song by Deep Purple. Charlie’s playing for us. Highway Star, appreciate you guys listening today. By the way, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. One line open, 303-477-5600. And by the way, when it comes to new car purchases, keep in mind that… 26s aren’t that far away, meaning that you’re probably going to find some deals because car sales haven’t been super strong here in 2025 so far. So if you’re looking to buy a new car, I will tell you that over the course of probably July, August, because the 26s will start rolling in in September-ish. So if you’re looking to do anything, you should be able to put some pretty decent deals together now year-end-wise because we’re not year-end. I know it’s July, but it is for now.
SPEAKER 10 :
The 25s are, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 22 :
It is for them. So as we get into now through September, these next 90 days, really good time to buy a car if you can put the right deal together because of what I just said. So Bob and Thornton, go ahead.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, John, I got a question about coolant, and I ran across this just recently.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 16 :
So my mix in cars family-wide, mine, my ex-wife’s, my children’s, my nephew’s nieces, we have a mix of Kia. I have a Kia and General Motors, and then Toyota, Honda, that kind of thing. Preston claims that they made a coolant that’s good for all makes.
SPEAKER 22 :
I wouldn’t use it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Think about it?
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, I wouldn’t use it. They claim I still wouldn’t use it. Coolant anymore, Bob, on these late model vehicles has become so specific. At one time, I would have said, yeah, use it. It’s not a problem. 20 years ago, sure, go buy universal coolant, use it, not a problem. But in today’s world where they’re so specific and they’ve got the coolant to match the metallurgy in the engines, and in your case, unfortunately, there might be a couple of those that you could combine, but I think every single vehicle you just rattled off takes its own coolant.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, so that claim is just… I wouldn’t do it.
SPEAKER 22 :
Now, if you’re out somewhere, you’re in the middle of nowhere, you don’t have any other choice, you’re low on coolant and that’s available, would I top it off and drive it and then change it out later? Yeah. But in your case, I would not have that on the shelf just to top off with.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, if I’m out on the road and have a coolant issue or something like that, I use bottled water. and then when I get home, then I flush it out and put the right one in there. But I have heard that if you try and put DexCool into an Asian vehicle, it’s going to hurt the components, not so much the performance of the coolant, but the engine parts inside. One other quick thing about, is it Nevada that they won’t do any alterations on anything?
SPEAKER 22 :
That’s what they’re saying, yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
I drove Harleys for years and years, and I’m going back maybe 20 years or so here in Colorado. And if I wanted to buy a new Harley and get the exhaust upgraded to aftermarket exhaust, because it came out of the factory sounding like a little scatterstone like that.
SPEAKER 21 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 16 :
I would have to take it up to Cheyenne to have it worked on because anything that was for sale down here as far as exhaust pieces had to be California compliant. So I’d just take the 100-mile trip up to Cheyenne.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, that makes sense. Sure.
SPEAKER 16 :
Worth the ride. I sent you an extensive list of Chuck Berry songs, but take a listen to that one, Johnny Cash. That’s funny.
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay. All right. And Charlie’s got a list of these, so we’ll see how these all roll in. But, Bob, thanks. I appreciate it very much. And, J.R., you are next. Go ahead. Hello?
SPEAKER 14 :
Hello, J.R. How are you doing? Good, sir. Okay, I have a kind of unique motorcycle I want to sell, okay? Okay. What do you suggest? Okay, they’re going to want to test drive it. How do I keep it from… They just keep on going and not come back. What do you suggest?
SPEAKER 22 :
Typically, what I’ve done on those situations, not just a motorcycle, but if they want to drive a car or whatever, typically they’ve pulled up in something. I want the keys to that, and then I also want their license.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 22 :
So I take their license and their keys, which, by the way, is a lot of times what dealerships do as well if you test drive one of their vehicles. So it’s not a lot different than what they’d find going to a dealership. And if they’re not willing to do that, JR, then they’re not driving it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Yeah, because I know they want a test driver, but that’s good. Yeah, I’m glad I called you. Keys and driver’s license.
SPEAKER 22 :
Take their keys, take their driver’s license, because typically… Now, I get it. The car could be stolen, and you just have a stolen car in your possession, and or they can go get a new license down at DMV. So is it foolproof? No, but… Typically, by the way, you can look at a key chain and say, well, the guy’s got his house keys. I mean, typically people put more things on it, even though they shouldn’t. That’s a whole other pet peeve of mine. But even though they shouldn’t, they do. But typically, JR, you’re pretty safe in doing that. And again, typically speaking, you’re going to talk to somebody for a few minutes, get an idea of how serious they are. You get a good feel for somebody as to – and I get it. Everybody can snow somebody, and they can seem really legit and not be. But you can get a pretty good idea on – how serious somebody is just by having a conversation with them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, that’s a good point. Okay, thank you, John.
SPEAKER 22 :
You’re very welcome, JR. In other words, are they a flake or not? You can typically find that by talking to them for a few minutes. Vic, you’re next.
SPEAKER 17 :
Hi, John. How are you? Okay, I got a question with regard to tire size.
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
I have a 2013 Acura MDX, and it’s a 255. 55 r18 and then 109t and uh i went to a tire seller and uh what they want to do is sell me a it’s a cooper tire but it’s 245 60 18. now that Does that make any difference?
SPEAKER 22 :
It’s very close to the same size tire overall.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 22 :
That’s why they’re saying that’s okay, yeah. A little wider, but again, dimensionally speaking, it’s basically not exactly the same tire, but it’s very close.
SPEAKER 17 :
And since they’re both 18, the mileage would record properly.
SPEAKER 22 :
Well, and your circumference is not going to be much difference anyways from one to the other. It wouldn’t, yeah, wouldn’t change. That’s why they’re telling you that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, now, on the invoice, they have what they call a certificate for refund or replacement. Have you ever heard of something like that?
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s like a road hazard certificate.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that might be it. Actually, I don’t know what that’s for.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, if it was called a certificate, it’s more than likely a road hazard warranty. So if you get something and they can’t patch it, then they cover that. They put a new tire on and you just pay for a new certificate or whatever, typically.
SPEAKER 17 :
So that’s probably a good thing to get.
SPEAKER 12 :
I would, yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
John, I know you don’t have time to do it now, but Could I contact you during the week so you could look at the tread pattern and see which one you think is better?
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, if you send me the choices, either email or text them to me, Vic, I can help you with that. I’d be happy to.
SPEAKER 17 :
Great. Could you give me your email address, please?
SPEAKER 22 :
Sure. John, J-O-H-N, at drive-radio.com. You know, drive-radio.com.
SPEAKER 17 :
Cool. All right. I think that’s it. Okay. And I’ll do it during business hours.
SPEAKER 22 :
Not a problem, Vic. You can send it anytime. I appreciate that, and I can look at those anytime. That’s not a problem at all. All right. We have one last break to do this hour. Is that right, Charlie? Okay. We’ll be right back then. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 05 :
My pappy said, son, you’re going to drive me to drinking if you don’t stop driving that hot rod Lincoln.
SPEAKER 22 :
have you heard the story of the hot rod now that’s a really good song and it’s in my favorites yeah we had i was gonna say so my brother and i we were kids we had you know we had record players back then because that’s all there was right eight tracks i guess maybe as i got a little older but when i was that age it was 45s and we always run around looking for the stupid little disc that goes in them because somehow or another we always lost that we were kids Somehow that thing went away. We’d use it as a Frisbee, probably, or throw it at each other, whatever. They’re always looking for the little disc, but we’d have to go find that. And you always had one that you had to share between all the albums. I don’t know how in the world we only had one, but we only had one. Anyways, we had that song on a 45 that I’ll bet my brother and I darn near wore out. Because we listened to that thing so much when we were kids that we’d literally just listen. And I don’t know what was on the other side. There was always that reverse side. I don’t remember, because we only played the one side.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 22 :
Anyways, I’ve got to go through my mom passing. Somebody told me yesterday, I talked about this, I said, yeah, in my mom’s stuff, and somebody reminded me, no, it’s not your mom’s now, it’s yours. Yeah, okay, yeah, thanks. Yeah, it is. You’re right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I get it. I still relate it.
SPEAKER 22 :
It’s still my mom’s box of records, and I need to go through that. My wife and I have been slowly going through stuff, and there’s 45s, and there’s… Who knows? There might still be this 45 from We Were Kids in that box that I need to roll through and just see if it’s still there.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 22 :
Hang it up, make some memorabilia out of it or whatever. Actually, they had a record player, so now I’ve inherited a record player, but I hadn’t owned a turntable in eons. Now that’s coming back. Believe it or not.
SPEAKER 12 :
I hear that. It is.
SPEAKER 22 :
It’s coming back. There’s a lot of people. It’s not coming back to my house. Are now getting back.
SPEAKER 12 :
Me either. If I can’t play it off my phone. I’m with you. But you know what? And I understand why. Because. It’s richer.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s a different sound.
SPEAKER 12 :
There’s a more depth to it. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER 22 :
The vinyl gives it a richer sound.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes. It’s got depth to it.
SPEAKER 22 :
Real audiophiles want to listen to that. And a lot of young kids now, they’re realizing, oh, you guys used to listen to this? Yeah. That was all we had. right right i mean everything else yeah i’m dating myself but yeah we didn’t i mean i remember as a kid when cassettes first came out and a tracks were the thing if in the car you had an a track which sucked by the way they were terrible they weren’t good you couldn’t find yourself you couldn’t find where the beginning or the ending of a song was if your life depended on it get a choice of four different locations somewhere in the middle of that yeah right yeah you know the head just moved on the tape and so then most of them had fast forward you couldn’t even rewind which why was that why couldn’t rewind it. Charlie, why couldn’t you rewind an 8-track?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because it’s just moving the spot on the tape.
SPEAKER 22 :
Was it because the way the tape was designed?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, you had to go all the way down and then it would go back up or something.
SPEAKER 22 :
Because the head just moved up and down on the tape because there was four tracks. Yeah, they clunk in between. Thank you, Charlie. But you could only fast forward. I never saw an 8-track and maybe it was just because of the cars we had or whatever. I never saw a rewind on an 8-track.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you couldn’t rewind an 8-track because they were a continual loop. So they spun off one wheel and rewound on the other one.
SPEAKER 22 :
So you couldn’t rewind.
SPEAKER 12 :
So that’s why you couldn’t turn them upside down either or the tape would come apart.
SPEAKER 22 :
I did not know that. I just learned something new on an 8-track.
SPEAKER 12 :
Why do I know that? You probably took one apart, right? I did not know that. Yeah, that’s why you couldn’t rewind. That’s why you only could fast forward. You could just skip down the wheel.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, and as far as what you skipped down with was the head was moving on the four different places on the eight track, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
So it’s not skipping to the beginning of the next song. It’s skipping to wherever the next song is.
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay, so here’s a question for Charlie because he knows everything. Why was it called eight track? Any idea? Yeah. Oh, it was stereo and there were four tracks, so that made it eight. So four times two is eight.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
Okay, so that’s why it was called an eight track.
SPEAKER 12 :
They did have four tracks, too, that weren’t stereo.
SPEAKER 22 :
They did?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
I didn’t know that either. So it was a four track, not an eight track.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
Stereo came in 64, Charlie said, with the year I was born.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 22 :
Go figure.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m surprised you never had to pull apart an 8-track.
SPEAKER 22 :
No, never.
SPEAKER 09 :
I learned when the tape broke apart, you could cut it, splice it at an angle, and tape it on the shiny side. That I did know. And then it would start working again. That I did know.
SPEAKER 22 :
No, you know, back to the radio thing, because in the dealer world back then, which is where I started, of course, Ken, if the radio had a problem, especially under warranty or whatever, we had companies, downtown radio, other places, where you pulled it and just sent it off. So, no, we never pulled anything like that apart to fix it, and you just pulled it and sent it. Oh, okay. We never – and sometimes we’d have demo units where you could actually slip a demo unit back in or, you know, like a loaner unit.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER 22 :
So you’d have a loaner head unit or – loner radio so you pull one out put the loner in and then when the guy’s radio came back you’d pull that out and put the other one back in well you know everybody used a pencil on a cassette to rewind the cassette i forgot about the loner radios yeah we as a dealership we had loner radios so if you know somebody had to have one you know sent off you pull it send it And you’d put the loaner in and the loaner might not be exactly what was in it prior, but it still was enough to give the guy sound. And, you know, maybe it had, you know, a full bore cassette with, you know, back then GM had this full bore like digital readout cassette CB cassette. All in one unit. Well, if you had to send that off, you might not have a full CB unit, so you’d have to just go throw a regular cassette unit or something in.
SPEAKER 09 :
But you always want a lower quality loaner going out to make sure they come back to get their original. That’s always what we had. You’re right.
SPEAKER 22 :
I forgot about the whole CB thing. It was all one conglomerate.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t remember that.
SPEAKER 22 :
All that thing weighed a ton. The stinking thing was like…
SPEAKER 12 :
In today’s world, you’d wait as much as the dash of a new car anymore.
SPEAKER 22 :
I mean, I think that radio alone was that heavy. Anyways, going back down memory lane, that’s what we’re doing on the car song side as well. Favorite car song or song you play while driving, let us know. We’ve got another full hour coming your way. Myself, Mark Guernsey, Accountable, up in Broomfield, Tune Tech, Ken Rackley over in Aurora as well. We’ll be right back, guys. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 25 :
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