Shifting from aviation to politics, John and Joe explore the tactics employed by Democrats over the decades, referencing iconic speeches like that of Ronald Reagan. This episode further ventures into contrasting economic ideologies, tackling the persistent myths around socialism and income inequality. With vivid anecdotes from Soviet-era Russia to modern-day capitalist triumphs, the conversation underscores the enduring relevance of individual entrepreneurship amid contrasting societal perceptions.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job first. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Jersey Joe joining us now. Joe, how are you, sir? John, I’m great. How about yourself? I’m good. Before we get going today, though, and I didn’t get a chance to ask you this because I’ve had a busy week, but have you been following any of the latest updates on the Air India Flight 171?
SPEAKER 10 :
I have, and obviously they’re saying that the fuel pump switches were turned off, and it’s back and forth, and now they’re looking into the pilot’s background in psychology and home life, and maybe he had a suicide wish.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because the first officer asked the pilot, this came out today, why did you cut off the fuel?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, right. And once you cut it off, you’re not going to come back. It’s going to take 45 seconds to reestablish flow, and and to restart the engines. Once those engines quit, it’s a rather involved process to get them restarted.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’d be one thing if you’re at 40,000 feet, not 400.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. If you lose both engines at 400 feet, there’s zero chance, even if you flip the fuel switches back on, zero chance those engines are going to restart.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, and I think, you know, for everybody listening, this is why I wanted to mention this. For any of you listening where people at times, Joe, they kind of get, you know, Some people are afraid of flying anyways. I’m not one of those, but some people are. And then these sorts of things happen and just sort of, you know, fans the flame of, yeah, I’m not getting on an airplane anymore. Well, I think this shows you that this was nothing to do mechanically speaking. That airplane was probably as safe and sound as it could have been. This was 100 percent something intentional.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think you’re right. And, John, there’s a great show, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen it, it’s called Air Disasters on Sunday Night on the Smithsonian Channel. And, you know, they’re having to go way, way back 20 years or so to find, you know, to find big crashes where there was a mechanical problem. And one of the big things about what the NTSB does, which, by the way, and the National Transportation Safety Board, which is not part of the FAA… when they investigate these crashes, they always make recommendations in terms of changing on the aircraft, the controls, the hydraulics, the electrical wiring. And by the way, the reason it’s not under the FAA, because when they investigate a crash, sometimes they have to look at, is the FAA partly responsible for what happened? So they’re impartial. That’s why the NTSB is under the Department of Transportation and not a subsidiary of the FAA.
SPEAKER 04 :
Makes sense. No, it makes total sense. Anyways, for those of you listening, I hadn’t had a chance to talk about that much this week. These are some new findings that have been coming out probably, what, Joe, over the last five days or so, I want to say, roughly, maybe a little longer than that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep, about a week now. So I think it’s pretty clear what happened.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not a Boeing problem. Let’s just say it that way.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not a Boeing problem. Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
So anyways.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Hey, John, Bob Duco at the top of the hour was talking about how the Democrats are screaming what they’re screaming about, and it brought back memories. I sent you a clip of Ronald Reagan from 1985, which, if you’re not good at math, was 40 years ago, where he describes how Democrats will always attack Republicans. Can you play that clip from Ronald Reagan?
SPEAKER 04 :
So in other words, no matter what, they’re always going to attack us, period. It’s the same playbook, same playbook. All right, here we go.
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Notice how every time a Republican takes office, the Democrats start acting like it’s the end of the world. I mean, the minute we cut taxes or trim the budget, they start screaming that the sky is falling. Now, don’t get me wrong, I admire their consistency. If the stock market surges, they say it’s just helping the rich. And if it crashes, they say, yep, that’s what happens under Republican leadership. and don’t even get me started on foreign policy. A Republican president could be shaking hands with world leaders and signing peace deals, and they’d say, it must be appeasement. But the minute there’s tension overseas, they rush to the nearest camera like it’s Black Friday, saying, see, we told you the world would catch fire if he was in charge. Now, I’ve always said, it’s fine to disagree on policy. That’s democracy. But if your best shot at winning is hoping the American people lose, Well, maybe you’re in the wrong country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well said, by the way. Well said. By the way, one of the great presidents, I believe. And I’ve said this before, Joe, and I’ll say it again. I feel like Donald Trump is right up there. Not as eloquent as Ronald Reagan, but as far as what he gets done, very, very similar.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. But, John, isn’t it astounding that in literally it’s been 40 years, nothing has changed? Nope. The playbook is word for word. He could have said that yesterday.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. You could have had AI take those words and have Donald Trump say it instead, and it’s still fitting.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s still fitting today. And that’s what Bob Duco was talking about at the top of the hour, how the Democrats, that’s the only tool they have in their tiny little tool bag. Yeah. I want to talk a little bit – you had Sonny Kutcher on Young America Against Socialism. And I didn’t want to call in, but there’s two quotes. One is – do you know who Anne Rand is? Oh, yeah. Yeah, she wrote Atlas Shrugged.
SPEAKER 04 :
Atlas Shrugged, the whole series of them, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Well, I want to give you two quotes. The first is from Garry Kasparov, the Russian chess champion. And he said, capitalism’s unequal distribution of prosperity – is far better than socialism’s equal distribution of misery. Experience keeps proving it. And that’s what I said before, Don. If you want to go to, you know, liberals always say, oh, income inequality is evil. We need to eliminate income inequality. If you want to eliminate income inequality, go to Somalia, go to Cuba, go to Venezuela, go to North Korea. And everybody is, other than the ruling elite, is equally poor. That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Equally miserable.
SPEAKER 10 :
Equally miserable. And I’ve told this story when I used to go to Moscow, back when it was the Soviet Socialist… USSR. USSR, United Soviet… Everybody had to wait. It was very fair. Everybody had to wait in line for two hours to look for bread, and all the bakeries were closed at 2 o’clock because they’d run out of bread at 2 o’clock. Now… After the Soviet Union collapsed and it became Russia and they embraced capitalism, today you can walk into any bakery in Russia at 10 o’clock at night and walk out five minutes later with a loaf of bread under your arm. Now, there is inequality. You have rich people and you have poor people, but the bakeries have bread at 10 o’clock at night. And I’ve asked maitre d’s and waiters and front desk people, would you ever want to go back to the Soviet Union? And the answer is no, absolutely not. So liberals want you to think that fair is synonymous with good. Fair and good are not synonymous. Fair can be awful. So I always want to live in a country where there’s income inequality because that means that.
SPEAKER 04 :
risk-taking and entrepreneurship is rewarded yeah and and that’s the way joe and i know the left hates what we’re talking about they they hate uh anything that they would consider to be not fair well life’s not fair you know you’re dealt with whatever deck of cards you end up with and by the way some people do a really good job of of handling that deck and rearranging it and making it a better deck at the end of the day. Some people don’t do anything with the deck. They sit on it. I mean, the reality, Joe, is everybody’s not the same. And that doesn’t really matter what country you go to. That’ll never change, Joe. That’s human nature.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, but, you know, the left feeds on this inequality.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
And here’s a quote from Anne Rand. Remember, she wrote Atlas Shrugged in 1957. And here’s her quote from 1957. She said it is the communists intention to make people think personal success is somehow achieved at the expense of others and that every successful man has to hurt somebody by becoming successful. In other words, it’s a zero sum game. My gain is your loss, which we all know is not true.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wealth is not a fixed pie. I mean, if they discovered if I’m a farmer and they discover oil under my land tomorrow, did that take money out of anybody else’s pocket?
SPEAKER 11 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
If anything, by expanding the volume of oil, it may have even driven the price of gas down.
SPEAKER 04 :
True. Good point. Actually, it may have helped everybody.
SPEAKER 10 :
It may have helped everybody. So one person can become rich, and that money doesn’t have to come out of anybody else’s pocket. But again, when I go on these, as you know, John, I spend about 20 minutes every morning cruising these sites, and the whole thing is the wealth are getting rich at your expense. They’re robbing you. And that’s the message they keep playing on. Unfortunately, there’s a segment of the population, John, that that just believes that. And it’s so sad.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and as you know, Joe, they believe that because it’s what they’ve been literally fed from a very early age, either by parents, by the school system, you know, social media, whatever. I mean, the reality is they surround themselves with I don’t know how to say this utter morons. And that’s what you end up with.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And one of the things that disturbs me, John, is that there are seven or eight very highly followed liberal far left wing Facebook sites that have tens of thousands of followers. John, there’s only two or three conservative Facebook sites out there that I can find. You know, you got a Joe Rogan. So, you know, they’re there in terms of followers. getting the messaging.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think the liberals… They do way better than that. I’ve said that for one of my major complaints not only here but on the roundtable itself, Joe, and you hear Bob Duco talk about it as well. He and I are in unison where we just don’t collectively message as well as the left does. Now, part of that is the mentality end of things. On the same token, a lot of conservatives, you know, we’re working for a living. We’re, you know, we’re irking it out. We’re doing some of the things even you and I just talked about a moment ago. We don’t have time to sit around and do some of those things. The left does, and they do it very well.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And by the way, I saw an interesting meme the other day. Somebody posted a comment, how come so many boat owners are Trump supporters? And somebody replied, Because the last time I looked, the government wasn’t giving away free boats.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well said.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, John, I got a couple of little light things I want to talk about. Oh, I’ve got one. Let’s play Milton Friedman, the Nobel Award winning economist. And from his perspective, he said there’s only four things that government needs to do and all the rest should be done by the states. And by the way, this clip repeats, so after he talks about the fourth thing, you can cut it.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because it’ll just loop back to the first one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, here we go. The government should be limited, in my opinion, to very simple functions. Number one, to defending the country against foreign enemies. I have tried for a long time to see how to make national defense a private enterprise, and I have never succeeded. It’s easy to see how to privatize schooling, but I don’t know how to privatize national defense. So I’m reconciled to the fact that we’re going to have to pay twice as much as we should have to pay in order to get an effective national defense. Because anything government does, on the average, there’s some things that are more, some less. On the average, anything government does costs twice as much. as if it were being done by private enterprise. So, one function of government is to protect the country against foreign enemies, national offense. A second function of government, and one which it performs very, very badly, is to protect the individual citizen against abuse and coercion by other citizens, to keep you from being hit over the head, mugged on the street, your house broken into, and so on. And I believe that the government performs that function very effectively because it’s doing so many things it has no business doing. The third function of government, a very important function, is to define the rules of the game we play. What’s private property? If an airplane flies ten thousand feet over your house, is he violating your private property? If he flies ten feet over your house, is he violating your private property? There’s nothing natural about where the line should be drawn. So we have to have some mechanism for making the rules about that, and that is an appropriate government function. And fourth, it’s appropriate for government to provide a mechanism for adjudicating disputes about the meaning of those rules, a judicial system. Those are the four essential functions of government.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. And by the way, I can’t argue with any of those, Joe. He is spot on. And unfortunately, he is also right about national defense, and he’s right about it costing twice as much. On the same token, I, like him, have wrestled with that one in my own head as to how would you privatize it. The problem with privatizing it, then it’s easily coerced. You know, we already get a little bit of that, or you can get a little bit of that out of the system we currently have now. but not near as much as you would get if it were privatized. So, unfortunately, we’re stuck with it.
SPEAKER 10 :
And he agrees that we’re stuck with it. And, by the way, if you go back to the founding of the country, John, for the first 50 years, government only did the four things he enumerated. That’s right. You go back to, you know, 1790, 1800, government was only doing those four things. So it wasn’t until we got some of those very, you know, liberal, you know, they got involved in monetary policy and labor relations and all the rest of that. kind of screw things up. Another light topic, John, if you ask the liberal, well, let’s give 1,800 teenagers guns and access to unlimited amounts of ammunition, and let’s put them in the same spot for a week. What do you think they would say?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the liberals would have a fit.
SPEAKER 10 :
They would have a fit. You can’t do that. You can’t do that. Well, once again, this happens every year. There’s a national junior trap shooting competitions, trap and skeet, every year. And this year it took place from, I think, the 4th, July 4th to the 9th. You had 1,800 teenagers, everyone with access to at least guns. They had 50,000 rounds of ammunition they shot off. Wow. John, you know what the casualty count was?
SPEAKER 04 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 10 :
Zero wounded, zero killed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Probably other than a few clay pigeons.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve done a few clay pigeons. So the point is, the takeaway, John, it’s not the guns.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is not the guns.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is not.
SPEAKER 10 :
And this is, you know, the 10th or 15th year in a row, you know, these kids have been getting together, and never once in the history of the event has anybody ever been shot. So it’s not the guns. All right. John, I want to talk about how this is a— I want to give you a warning. The Netherlands, have you heard about the Netherlands that is now having duration electricity?
SPEAKER 04 :
I did see that.
SPEAKER 10 :
And for those who are not aware, the Netherlands a couple years ago embarked on this thing. They wanted to go green. And what they said, okay, they’re going to outlaw just the way you’re seeing, like in Colorado, no more gas furnaces, no more gas heaters on top of stores. Every strip mall, every Walmart store, Every Target store, every grocery store, King Soopers is heated in the winter by a big gas heater. Actually, it’s probably 10 or 12 gas heaters on the roof. Every strip mall has a gas heater. The vast majority of homes in Colorado have gas furnaces. And you’ve got gas dryers and you’ve got gas water heaters. And now when Louisville had that big fire, didn’t they ban all gas-fired appliances? Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, I think you’re right. Yeah. You know, rebuilding there, you know what? That’s something I need to follow up on. But I think Louisville originally wanted to go all electric, period, on any new builds. I don’t know what they’ve done as far as rebuilds go. I’ll have to look that one up, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, anyway, so Netherlands began doing that same thing in earnest five years ago. So they did two things simultaneously, John. They said, okay. you can’t buy any more gas appliances. You can’t buy a gas furnace. You can’t buy a gas water heater. You can’t buy a gas dryer. And, oh, by the way, we’re going to start shutting down all of our coal-fired and gas-fired power generating stations. Now, John, any first-year engineering student, if you simply said, you know, here’s your current usage, project out the future usage based upon these changes, you know, in appliances, and plot out the change in supply based upon shutting down these power stations. And very, very shortly, any first-year engineering student will say, hey, these lines are going to cross in about two years, and the demand for electricity is going to exceed the supply. Well, that’s where they are. Let me tell you where the Netherlands is right now. Today, they have 11,900 businesses. These are not homes. Businesses are stuck in a queue waiting to access the grid. People are building warehouses.
SPEAKER 04 :
So what are they running off of, Joe, generators or something? What are they using?
SPEAKER 10 :
Generators. They’re putting solar panels, but they’re still – now, they also have thousands of new homes are waiting to be connected, with some of those homes being warned that they may have to wait until the 2030s. Not the year 2030, sometime in the 2030s. And that’s not – and the supply itself – is not the problem. The other problem is the grid can’t handle, they’ve calculated what the demand, and if they want to put those 11,900 businesses plus those thousands of homes, what they’ve figured out is that we don’t have the grid, and the grid, I’m not just talking about the wires, I’m talking about the substations. So they need to put in, let me see, they need to install, let me find the number here, They need to install 100 medium substations and 4,000 local substations. So 4,100 substations and miles and miles, actually hundreds of miles of new high-voltage transmission cables. But you ready for this? They’re facing a shortage of 28,000 trained technicians to install the wires and the substations.
SPEAKER 04 :
Amazing.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s why they’re saying… 2030, if you need power in the Netherlands. Now, John, any engineer could have predicted, had they bothered to ask, that you are, this is one of those predictable calamities that anybody who wasn’t a politician could have seen coming. You and I could have seen this coming. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out, okay, you’re going to jack up the demand for electricity. You’re going to cut down on the supply of And here’s the deal. Do you know what you pay for electricity in Colorado for Xcel Energy right now or from IREA?
SPEAKER 04 :
Last time I checked, it was like $0.135 or so, I want to say.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that’s all in. It’s $0.11 a kilowatt, and with some of the other surcharges and whatnot, it’s $0.13. Do you know what the residential cost of electricity in the Netherlands is, if you can get it right now?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no idea.
SPEAKER 10 :
Want to try $0.55?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my word, five times as much.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s residential and $0.59 for commercial. Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
Meaning if you have a $100 bill here, it’s $500 there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, it’s exactly five times higher. And the rest of Europe is not far behind, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unbelievable, Joe. That’s crazy.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s where they’re going. So when you hear all these things about electrification, electrification.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, and socialism works.
SPEAKER 10 :
And at the same time, you’re shutting down your fossil fuel power plants. So it’s not only an issue of the generation capacity. It’s also an issue of the transmission capacity. And for those that don’t know what a substation is, when you look at a high-voltage transmission, that’s 150,000 kilovolts of electricity. You can’t send that directly to a house. You have to step it down. You eventually have to get it down to like 220 to go into your house. And 480 into a business. But you can’t put 150,000 volts. I mean, 150,000 volts. Can’t do that. It would jump a spark, John, six feet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or more.
SPEAKER 10 :
Six feet or more. So that’s why you need substations. So if you’re going to dramatically increase the demand for electricity, you have to put in more wires, more substations, and then you need the people to do it. And they’re behind. And you’re behind. And any state, city that says we’re going to do this, without thinking it through, you’re going to wind up in the same situation as the Netherlands.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, absolutely. Joe, as always, appreciate you very much. Time goes by fast.
SPEAKER 10 :
My pleasure, Don.
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All right, half an hour left of the program today. If you want to call in with anything, feel free to do so. 303-477-5600. Text line also, 307-200-8222. 307-200-8222. Charlie had sent me this earlier and not huge news, but I just think it’s funny. Maybe that’s the way to say this. Steve Miller Band, which was a popular band, you know, back in the 70s and when we were all growing up and so on. Well, they’re on tour or they were on tour is what I should say. They have decided, and Charlie and I were laughing because all these old bands, it’s like, man, a lot of those guys are old. Yeah, so am I. I get it. I’m old, too. And they were older than I was when I was listening to their music back in the day. So, yeah, they’re really old. But they have now canceled their entire tour, not because somebody’s sick, not because somebody had a heart attack or any health problems or anything along those lines. No. No. Because of the weather. Yeah, they were scheduled to play the New York State Fair and two other upstate New York concerts next month. They announced their cancellation of the entire 2025 tour last night, and they blamed the weather. They had 31 dates scheduled this year, starting with an August 15th show in Bethel Woods, New York, and ending with the show in Anaheim, California, on November 11th. The band was scheduled to perform in Syracuse at the State Fair on August 21st and other venues as well. The band’s website lists no tour dates now and instead has this note. Dear Steve Miller Band fans, you make music with your instincts. You live your life by your instincts. You always trust your instincts. The Steve Miller ban has canceled all of our upcoming tour dates. The combination of extreme heat, unpredictable flooding. tornadoes, hurricanes, and massive forest fires make these risks for you, our audience, the band and the crew, unacceptable. So you can blame it on the weather. The tour is canceled. Don’t know where, don’t know when. We hope to see you soon again. Wishing you all peace, love, and happiness. Please don’t, please take care of each other, Steve, the band, and the crew. By the way, And I don’t know any of these individuals, you know, personally. Don’t know anybody that knows them. Not that I know anybody in any band along those lines. When I was a kid growing up, the old band, I don’t know if Charlie remembers this band, the old band Firefall, one of the lead singers for Firefall was our neighbor. By the way, one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet. So that was my only connection ever growing up to the whole rock world was him, and he was a super nice guy. But anyways… This has to be the lamest excuse for canceling a tour I think I’ve ever heard. As I say constantly on this program, yes, the weather is out there. Yes, it changes. We’ve had a very different summer here this summer, although I will tell you that it isn’t any different than some of the summers we had when I was growing up because things just cycle. It is what it is. We’ve had years in Colorado where there was a lot of rain throughout the summer. Keep in mind, we’re now into our monsoon season. We had a pretty wet spring, but also go back a month or two. We normally have a very snowy March, and even sometimes in April, we had none this year. So it just cycles, folks. And you all know that. The majority of you listening know that. I guess Steve Miller Band doesn’t know that. It’s thinking because of some of the recent flooding, and there’s always tornadoes, by the way. We were talking to, was it Gregory Wrightstone, I think, last week, Charlie, along those lines, which I had never thought about. I learned so much from doing this program on a weekly basis. I’d never thought about it. We as a country have over 80% of all tornadoes in the world. In the world, meaning there’s not a lot of other places that have tornadoes like we do. Just a side note. Some of you may have been listening last week. Some of you may not. But, yeah, United States of America, Tornado Alley, places here in Colorado and so on, we have 80% plus of all tornadoes in the entire world. So that’s a large number. uh anyways to cancel because of weather is again has to be in my opinion one of the lamest excuses that there is you’re always going to have weather to deal with when you do outside venues of course and it’s why a lot of performers won’t do outside venues they’ll only do inside venues now keep in mind some of the things that they run into when you do inside venues is your concert could potentially be you know knocked off of that date because of some other sporting event that actually happens for example here in denver katie perry who was just here i believe was it last week charlie i want to say i think katie perry was last week she was a that was a redo of a concert that was supposed to happen but because of playoffs with the nuggets had to be postponed into July. So those are the things that happen when you play inside of some of these venues. And, of course, you have a lot less people that can go to an inside venue typically than you do on an outside venue. And getting into some semantics here that probably don’t matter one way or the other to most of you listening, but to hear a band come out and say that, you know, we’re not going to play. Here’s my gut feeling. Charlie and I were talking about this before the break. You know, Steve Miller Band, just be honest. Because I highly doubt, I highly doubt it’s the weather. Here’s Charlie and I’s gut feeling. I have nothing to back this up. I don’t know. But my gut feeling in Charlie’s as well would be they haven’t sold enough tickets to make it worth their while to bother continuing on. That’s my guess as to why they canceled the rest of their tour dates. Again, I could be completely wrong, but I highly doubt that’s the case. My gut feeling is that’s why they canceled it. Let’s take a break. We’ll come back. I’ve got a call coming in. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. 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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. John from Cheyenne, what’s going on?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I’m sorry. I used to listen to Steve Miller when I was in high school. I think they’re washed up and they couldn’t sell enough tickets. I got to agree with you there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and, you know, you hate to say that because you don’t want to try to be mean to these guys. And, you know, they are elderly. So I’m trying to be as respectful as I can, John. But to make an excuse that it’s the weather that you can’t play is just that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, please. Yeah, it’s, you know, my wife wants to go in October to see the Eagles at the Sphere. I’m like, okay, we’ll go. You know, looks like, sounds like a good time and everything. But you know what you’re getting? You’re getting four guys in their 70s that are, you know, performing. I mean, how, you know, is it going to be the same that it was if you saw them in the 70s?
SPEAKER 04 :
No. In fact, any of these concerts, John, that I have been to where they’re old bands that might even have some different members today than what they had then because they change out, some of them pass away or whatever happens, happens. And no, none of them are ever the same. I mean, they do a good job and it’s fun to kind of see the old band members play and so on. But yeah, no, it is nothing like it was when they were in their prime.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, and I know you’re not a Beatles fan, but Paul McCartney’s coming to Coors Field at the beginning of October. Yep, the 11th, yep. What’s to say we don’t get snow?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, thank you. That was my thought, too. That time of the year, anything could happen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, did I have a backup?
SPEAKER 04 :
Great question. That is a great question.
SPEAKER 09 :
Bronco Stadium doesn’t have a dome, so what? Is he going to split it? Coors Field holds what for a concert? Probably close to 50,000?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, probably. Because they’re going to put seats on the field. Yeah, because you’re probably not far off when they do that. Yeah, that’s probably about right.
SPEAKER 09 :
That would be what, two and a half nights at Ball Arena?
SPEAKER 04 :
More than that. You can only put on a good night, on a concert at Ball, probably $15,000. That’s it? That’s about it. Yeah, okay. You take a third of the arena and ball arena goes away during a concert.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because nobody wants to stand behind the stage.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you can’t. The stage and everything, what they do, speakers and so on, just a third of it goes away.
SPEAKER 09 :
The only concert that I never saw that happen at Madison Square Garden was Yes, and they had a revolving round stage in the middle of the floor. and all the speakers were suspended from the ceiling. So no matter where you sat, it was a good seat. And that was, of course, in the 70s. But, I mean, I don’t know. Maybe I’m getting too old to go to concerts too, but I don’t have – For me anymore, it’s got to be a really good concert or – yeah, I’m not going.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s just me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, like my wife was saying the same weekend that she wants to go to see the Eagles – the Beach Boys are playing in Vegas the following night. And I’m like, who’s left? And it’s just Mike Love.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, John, really quick, some of you guys out there in texting land, you’re harsh. Maybe the band members’ diapers couldn’t hold the 90-minute show. That is so mean.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, that’s like I had a whole bunch of people ask you, oh, we’re going to go see Journey. I’m sorry. If Steve Perry, who is still alive, is not singing, it’s a cover band with some of the original… Hey, now, really quick.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is one I will disagree with you on. The new kid? The new kid’s better than him, and I’m not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 09 :
Better than Steve Perry in his prime?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s kind of hard to beat. Did you ever hear that quote? Back in 83 or 84, Freddie Mercury did an interview… And the singer, the interviewer said to Freddie Mercury, how does it feel to be the best singer in the world? And Freddie Mercury’s response right on was, he goes, I don’t know, you’d have to ask Steve Perry. Wow. Good for him. And, you know, I don’t know if it was tongue in cheek or not, but both of them could sing. There would be a band I would go see if he was still alive would be Queen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I agree with that. John, have a good night. You too, man. Appreciate you, John. Have a great rest of your day. Marty, you’re next. Go ahead, man.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, John, I hate to get us back on track, back on focuses of the issue at hand. But I think what you’re seeing, John, right now with this Epstein list is if you just look at the trajectory.
SPEAKER 04 :
There is no list, by the way. So let’s make sure we’re accurate here, Marty. There is no list. Files. Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Files and the supporting evidence. Yes, thank you. And that’s way worse than a list. The images and the documentation to support all that, that’s what we’re looking for. But let’s go back to the buyers.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s what you’re looking for, Marty. I’m not. You are. I want to be very crystal clear with everybody on this. I am not. I want to move on. I think this is a complete waste of time. We have got way better things to be working on than that. That is my opinion, and I’m sticking to it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, John, under no circumstances will you live under a government that supports and continues this kind of behavior. So it must be dealt with.
SPEAKER 04 :
And we’re not, Marty, and we’re not supporting it. We have closed the border. We have done more under this presidency in six months to stop that kind of behavior than happened the prior four years. So we’re not, Marty.
SPEAKER 08 :
We’ve gone and gotten lower feeding parasites. We’re looking for the king of these parasites. Now, we haven’t gone to that yet.
SPEAKER 04 :
Marty, no. Marty, I’m sorry. And this is where you and I, again, are going to have to agree to disagree because as bad as Epstein was and what he was doing among his billionaire friends doesn’t hold a candle to what the cartels do in regards to sex trafficking, Marty. Not even in the same sentence. You’re completely wrong in that, Marty. Completely wrong.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let’s set it aside because we are going to be on a complete opposite side here. But I want to put this out for the forecast of what’s happening. The binders were going to be released in February. They nixed that, but it was going to be a full disclosure. There’s a lot of images. She talked about it. We just saw in early July.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wait, once again, no offense, Marty. I don’t need to see those, neither does anybody else. Why do any of us need to see these images? These are images, Marty, from 20 plus years ago. What’s it going to prove at the end of the day, Marty? These aren’t images from five years ago. These aren’t images even from 10 years ago. These are images from 20 plus years ago, Marty.
SPEAKER 08 :
The sexual abuse of a child in 1980. I get that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that child is not now no longer a child. And I fully understand that, Marty. But this was 25 years ago. Where does your side not understand what I just said?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because we could still go after those people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Why, Marty? What is it going to do at the end of the day by going after them? Please, for the love of God, tell me what’s accomplished by that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, I would like our lawmakers to be of American principle. How do you know the lawmakers were involved in this, Marty? You don’t. OK, we cash Patel, Dan Bongino, all the groupies. They know what’s in this. Alan Dershowitz knows what’s in this.
SPEAKER 04 :
I played Alan Dershowitz on Tuesday talking about it, Marty. I played his exact quotes on it.
SPEAKER 08 :
That there’s evidence being withheld from the public. That is obvious as the sun rising. Is that fair?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I wouldn’t go that far to say that. No, I wouldn’t say that. And again, I don’t know. And here’s the thing, Marty. I don’t know what’s inside of those. You don’t know what’s inside of those. I’m relying on a president that I voted for that’s now in charge that put a cabinet together that’s in charge that is telling me that there’s a lot of stuff in there that we don’t even know how secure those things actually were, who was involved with those files, who may have tampered with those files. Oh, man. We have no idea the chain of command up to this point, Marty. You guys on your side are looking for a silver bullet that doesn’t exist. Sorry, Marty, you dropped off and didn’t let me finish. But you guys on your side are looking for a silver bullet that does not exist. I’m sorry. Go find something else to focus on. Marty, I love you dearly, but find something else to focus on. At the end of the day, what you guys are wishing for, frankly, it doesn’t exist. Your magic bullet, your silver bullet, what you think is going to save our party and or save the Trump candidacy, which, by the way, he’s already president, so there’s nothing else to save there. I don’t know what you guys are thinking is going to come out of this by releasing the binders, the files. As I said earlier, the majority of people reading those would be like a monkey reading a roadmap. And I mean that sincerely. The majority of people would have no idea what they’re even reading. So here’s the new rule on this particular topic moving forward. Unless some huge breaking news comes out, which I don’t see that happening, we’re not talking about it anymore. I have covered this topic about as long as I want to cover it. Andy and I did on Tuesday going into depth on all of the things that I just mentioned in a short time with Marty. I’ve talked about it two weeks in a row now on the National Crawford Roundtable, which you heard today and last night. So at the end of the day, you guys all know my position. You’re not going to convince me of anything different. And if I hear one person tell me that I don’t have any, you know, I don’t care about the law and I don’t care about underage kids and so on, number one, as I said on Tuesday, and I said it on the roundtable, that’s about as far from the truth as you’ll ever get because I have interviewed and done more on this program, more so than probably any other program in this town has done, talking about sex trafficking, what happens in the evenings, what happens in suburbia, what happens with the cartel, on and on we go. And this is where, again, I am going to differ greatly from the Martys of the world that think that somehow or another it’s the tip of the spear or the head of the snake in regards to Epstein. No, no, no, no, no, folks. Sorry. The tip of the spear and the head of the snake is the cartel. Cartels, plural. Let me say it that way. Those are the guys that are out really profiting and benefiting and abusing kids like you’ve never seen, using them up, spitting them back out. And they’re doing it over and over and over and over again. And yes, this administration under Tom Holman and Donald Trump have secured the border to the point where they have put a huge dent in that particular business. Let me say it that way, because it is to the cartel. And they have put a huge dent in things. So, yes, Marty, you and I will just have to agree to disagree because you think there’s some huge smoking gun that’s going to come out of the Epstein files. And I’m here to tell you that it’s not. Now, I’m going to say this. And I don’t normally say things this way because I don’t normally brag. But when it comes to things like this, it’s not often that I’m wrong. So, Marty, think about that. And I’m not bragging. I’m just using common sense in my head when I think about these things. And I’m not using the revenge portion of my brain to think with. And unfortunately, Marty, a lot of you are. Read the document. Read the article that I talked about earlier from Slate talking about revenge, Marty. Go read that. It’s in Apple News. You can find it anywhere. But go read what they have found, scientifically speaking, what happens inside people’s brains when they have a revengeful mindset. And no offense, there’s a lot on our side that have that problem. You included. Go read that document and then come back and tell me your thoughts. That I will allow you to come back and speak about. But we’re not talking about Epstein anymore. Unless some major development happens and something major comes out, which, by the way, I don’t think is going to happen because Donald Trump’s not going to go down that path. Unless something major happens, we’re not going back to that topic again. So Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. When you need help with your financial future, which most do, by the way, talk to Al Smith today. Golden Eagle Financial. Find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. One minute left is all. By the way, thank you also for all of the text messages. I say that a lot, but I do mean that sincerely. And some of you even commenting on some of our previous callers. And I love Marty. I’m not trying to beat Marty up by all, but some of you agreeing with me that, listen, we’ve got to get past this. There’s other… things out there that we need to be working on as a country, bigger fish to fry, if you would. And, again, Marty, love you. But, yeah, we’ve got to move on. At the end of the day, they’re really, I’m sorry to say, 20 to 20, you know, it’s 20, let’s see, 2003 to 2005, so 20 years plus ago. is when all of these things were happening. And I get it. I understand the premise. If we find out who these people are, we can bring them to justice today. Maybe the statute of limitations doesn’t even apply. We can still do things to prosecute these particular individuals. A lot of wishful thinking in what I just said. And, you know, what will come out of all of those files, I’m just here to tell you, not what you all think. Not what you all think. And it’s just a course that people are charted down that, frankly, they need to change course and go fight things that really need fought right now. I’ll close with that. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
