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It’s the Kim Munson Show, analyzing the most important stories.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion.
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights.
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Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to The Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Tuesday, Producer Joe. Happy Tuesday, Kim. And there is a lot going on out there, so we are here to help. We are searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues. Through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea, you should never have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives via force. And force can obviously be a weapon, but it’s also policy, an unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation. This agenda of the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites… that plays out through the United Nations and the Colorado State Legislature, this Colorado governor. But as Jenny, one of our listeners, has said, is they are thinking globally, but they’re acting locally. And so we see these policies are being pushed at the local, the county and the state level. And so that is why we really need to understand these principles of our American founding. so that we can reclaim this Colorado that we love and this country that we love. And so that’s why we do the show. And we focus on the issues, not the personalities. We will talk about people that are pushing the issues, but we really want to stay focused and disciplined on that to keep our eye on the ball because we really need to do that. in order to reclaim Colorado. I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And at this particular point in time in history, The products that will provide that is really oil, natural gas, and coal. And there’s been such an assault upon oil, natural gas, and coal, and so connect the dot. There is an assault upon powering our lives, fueling our hopes and dreams, and changing our own personal climate. So connect that particular dot. Let’s see. Let’s get over here. First of all, I want to say thank you also to Hooters Restaurants, who’s been great sponsors of the show for many years, also a sponsor of America’s Veterans Stories. They have three locations, and that is Loveland, Westminster, and the location on Parker Road. And they have great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and happy hour. So be sure and check that out. Our word of the day is equivocal. And it’s E-Q-U-I-V-O-C-A-L. And it could be open to two or more interpretations and often intended to conceal the truth. So it could be ambiguous. And number two, it could be characterized by a mixture of opposing elements and therefore questionable or uncertain. Their example is evidence of the drug’s effectiveness has been equivocal. And so your challenge is to use the word equivocal, E-Q-U-I-V-O-C-A-L, in a sentence today. And I was doing a whole bunch of research yesterday and realized that Here in Colorado, we’ve got power brokers that are very equivocal. They are in many ways concealing the truth, ambiguous, running campaigns, making money off of campaigns, whether or not it’s for issues or for candidates. And they really, it doesn’t totally matter if they win or lose because each year they’re back winning. raising money running campaigns and colorado meanwhile has been declining significantly and the reason is is because we’ve got these power brokers that do not stand stand on principle but they stand on just on making money they’re equivocal so it’s important that we’re connecting these dots i’ll talk a little bit more about that here in just a little bit. Our quote for the day is from James Madison. He was born in 1751. He died in 1836. He was an American statesman, diplomat, and founding father. He was the fourth president of the United States, and he’s been popularly acclaimed as the father of the Constitution. for his pivotal role in drafting and promoting the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights. And he said this, he said, if our nation is ever taken over, it will be taken over from within. And I chose that because of Tulsi Gabbard on the Sunday show with Maria Rosenthal. Bartiromo said that and released documents that indicate that Obama and company really pushed forward the lie of the Russian collusion with and Donald Trump. And that is really, I think, trying to take our country down from within. We have always prided ourselves on the peaceful transfer of power. Obama, when he received the initial nomination from the Democrats to run for president here in Denver, He said that we’re just days away from transforming America. Well, what was he transforming America to? A Marxist nation. And they’ve gotten a lot of things accomplished regarding a march towards Marxism in America. And Donald Trump has disrupted that. And so they have really tried to undermine his presidency. And so it’s going to get very interesting because what they have done has really been trying to take down our country. So as James Madison said, if our nation is ever taken over, it will be taken over from within. So several headlines, though, the first headline and this again, I was with some consultants several months ago that works with a lot of businesses. And I would say the kind of the underlying message is that was going after Trump regarding the economy. And they’re right as far as business people like to have stability. They like to have certainty so that they can make decisions. And with the tariffs that Trump has instituted, there was a lot of uncertainty. Of course, we’ve seen the Fed very stubbornly not lower interest rates because they’re concerned about inflation and tariffs. So this is from the Wall Street Journal, and it says the U.S. economy is regaining its swagger. It said, But that didn’t happen. Now businesses and consumers are regaining their swagger, and evidence is mounting that those who held back are starting to splurge again. The stock market is reaching record highs. The University of Michigan’s Consumer Sentiment Index, which tumbled in April to its lowest reading in almost three years, has begun climbing again. Retail sales are up more than economists had forecast, and sky-high inflation has not materialized, at least not yet. We’ve been surprised again and again by consumers, said Jonathan Miller, senior U.S. economist at Barclays. In April, Miller predicted that the U.S. economy would likely go into recession this year. He now expects it to keep growing, albeit at a slow pace. Don’t you wonder how these people keep their jobs? I guess it’s just like being a weatherman. They can’t necessarily tell you what the weather’s going to do the next day, but they still keep their jobs. Well, it seems to be the same with economists. It says, as soon as Donald Trump was elected, Tyler Ahn decided she wasn’t going to take any chances with the possibility of tariffs or worse, a broader economic collapse. The 46-year-old product manager said, stocked up buying survival gear, flashlights, window-breaking devices, and water purification tablets, a mop bucket, and an entire case of French rosé. Throughout the rest of the winter and early spring, she sat tight trying to spend as little as possible while attempting to follow Trump’s evolving tariff threats. But recently she gave up. I decided, well, it’s what it is my money will buy, what it will buy, and so I’ve got to live. So this is super interesting that that this Trump economy is it looks like it’s working out. And we really I know that as we were talking about these tariffs with a number of people. He said, this is going to be a little rough right now, but these are decisions that needed to be made. Next thing, I thought this was super interesting. California company, In-N-Out, the CEO is relocating. The family to Tennessee as the franchise expands eastward. Lindsay Snyder, outspoken Christian. This is I love this when they have these little words in here. And this is this is from the Christian Post, says Lindsay Snyder, outspoken Christian and president of In-N-Out Burger, revealed Friday that she is relocating her family. from California to Tennessee, citing the challenges of raising children and conducting business in the Golden State. She said there’s a lot of great things about California, but raising a family is not easy there, and doing business is not easy here as well. I’ve heard that a lot about Colorado as well, and so that is why we’ve got to continue to work to reclaim our state. One of the things yesterday that I was doing was connecting a dot. As we reported yesterday. And a consultant, a political consultant that works for 76 Group, Jeff Small, had reached out to a number of Republican county clerks requesting access, third-party access, to the tabulating machines. Well, this is this is I have this in air quotes. This is against state law that we would have someone access the tabulating machines. What is so interesting is that even the county clerks cannot access the tabulating machines without permission, basically from this Colorado secretary of state. But anyway, it is against the law. They did not grant access. And so I needed to do some more research on 76 Group, which I haven’t done for a while. And it is the founder is Josh Penry, who is a very powerful activist. influential power broker who really plays both sides of the aisle. And all you need to do is go to their website and you will see a number of their clients are both conservative groups but also very liberal groups as well. So one of their clients is Unite America, which that is Catherine Murdoch’s group, which has been very involved in trying to change elections here in Colorado. So anyway, I was doing some additional research. I hadn’t really looked at the money for the ranked choice voting, which Kent Theory put a whole bunch of money in. I think total, all in, it had about $14 million invested. to try to get Coloradans to vote for ranked choice voting, which we did not. But there wasn’t very much money that was coming in against it. There was our voices as well as other voices. But it was defeated. But they will come back. But the consultants still make a lot of money. They can make anywhere from 10 to 20%. So let’s say 10% of $14 million is $1.4 million. 20% is $2.8 million. And so you can see that they still win whether or not the issue or the candidate wins or loses. So then I started to do additional research regarding Tabor because it very possibly looks like Tabor, there may be a real assault on that. At the end of this legislative session, the Democrats had put forth a resolution to sue to get rid of Tabor. which tabors Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights. And it is one of the things that the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, our all-volunteer group, works diligently to protect. And if you see these folks out there, my fellow board members, say thank you to them. That’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And so I was doing this research, and I went back, and Prop 71 was passed in 2016. And in it, it had a couple of different things. It changed the benchmarks on how to get an initiative onto the ballot, making it more difficult for just citizens to get something onto the ballot, and making it, with the petition-gathering business as well so it raised the bar it was called raise the bar but I remembered this regarding getting an amendment passed and then getting an amendment repealed so this is from prop 71 was passed in 2016 in 2017 the legislation was passed to put it into law and and this is what it says at least 55 percent of the votes cast thereon adopts any measure for an amendment to the state constitution except that a majority of the votes cast thereon adopts any measure submitted for an amendment to the state constitution that only repeals in whole or in part any provision of the state constitution And so the way I read that is to get rid of an amendment to the Constitution. In Colorado, it only takes 50% plus one instead of 55%. And when I say on the show that they are… playing long ball on these issues. This, again, this was back in 2016, and Pendry and Company, I think his company was named something different at that time, was very involved as consultants to get this passed. It was called Raise the Bar. And so stay tuned. We’ve got a real fight on our hands here to reclaim Colorado, because not only do we have the radical activist Democrats that have really been destroying our state, but we also see that they have the help of powerful, influential Republican brokers. And so stay tuned on this. These are important discussions to have, and we have them because of our sponsors. And one of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And Roger has been in business for almost 50 years, serving his customers, providing for his family, and giving back to the community. And so for help with any of your insurance needs, reach out to the Roger Mangan team. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan Insurance Team is there.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. And this happens because of our great sponsors. I know each and every one of them personally, and they strive for excellence. And if you want more freedom and confidence with your money, Mint Financial Strategies can help. They’re an independent firm with over 25 years of experience. And as an accredited investment fiduciary, they put your best interests first, always. With a strategy-first approach, they’ll help you build a plan that fits your life. Call Mint Financial Strategies today. That number is 303-285-3080, 303-285-3080. Pleased to have on the line with us Kevin Lundberg. He is a former state senator. He is the author of the Lundberg Report, and he really keeps an eye on what is happening in Colorado. Kevin Lundberg, welcome.
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Well, thank you, Kim. It’s good being with you as always.
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Well, there is a lot happening out there. Always. First and foremost, I had mentioned in the previous segment about Prop 71 that was passed in 2016. And it was 2017 put into law. And I had had it in my memory bank that there was something weird about that. the percentages to get an amendment into the Constitution and to get an amendment out of the Constitution. And so I did some research and I found it. And it’s buried deep, deep, deep within the language, which is why it’s important for people to understand these ballot initiatives. But my understanding, the way I read this, is to get rid of an amendment, to take it out of the Constitution, it only takes a 50% vote instead of the higher benchmark of 55% to get a new amendment. Had you looked at that? Do you remember that at all?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you’re precisely correct. And the underlying theme of all of that is they didn’t, they wanted to set it up so that they could carve out Tabor if possible. I mean, really, I can think of nothing else because the logic to putting this in, let’s go back to before that. Before that amendment was passed or that proposition amending the Colorado Constitution, In order to make a change to the Constitution or to state statute, it was identical. It took the same number of signatures, and there was no extra requirement on where those signatures came from. And it took a 50% plus one vote to make it so. And so anybody trying to make a change through an initiative, would logically try to change the Constitution because it was just as simple as changing law, except for the fact that once you put it in the Constitution, the legislature couldn’t touch it. So obviously people would go that route for things that maybe shouldn’t be constitutional. Like spring bear hunting, I think, was one of the measures that was proposed prior to that. So, yeah, they made it tougher. Now, I always argued that you shouldn’t make it tougher to change the Constitution. You should make it easier to change the statutes, and then you’d have that proper balance. But instead, they went the path of, well, let’s just make it more difficult, and so they did two things. They said you must get a, I think it’s at least 2% of the required signatures from every Senate district in the state in order to make a constitutional change, and then it took a vote of 55% to pass that, not 50% plus one vote. But they made this exception, and to me it was just, It was just very obvious. Maybe they were equivocating a little bit here in that the real reason, I believe, was to make sure that they could take Tabor apart without the higher standard.
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So this was nine years ago. And when I say that there are those that are playing long ball regarding, really, I think the demise of Colorado. If Tabor is repealed… And they’re very possibly we’re going to have this happening, this question very soon, because it looks like the Jared Polis is going to call a special session. And my ear to the ground is, is that one of the things that they’re going to do is refer possibly refer a measure to the ballot to repeal Tabor. What do you hear, Kevin Lumberg?
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Well, I haven’t heard specifics on that. I can tell you that the rumors I was given last week was that that special session will probably happen in the middle of August, which would make sense. In other words, there was some, you know, chatter among legislators of keep your calendar open around there because you’re liable to have to be back in session. Yeah, the big reason they want this special session is to deal with the problems they’re having with their budget, which, little footnote here, they asked for this problem, oh man, more than 10 years ago they started to set up this dilemma by expanding Medicaid, and now with the measure from Trump, And Congress, but really Trump is the one who deserves most of the credit for this big, beautiful bill that is going to require states to take more of the burden for Medicaid or to pull it back and, you know, So, yeah, they’re going to have it. Now, I haven’t heard specifically on the Tabor issue. Wouldn’t surprise me at all, but bear this in mind. They’re going to need some Republican support in order to do that, because Tabor is a constitutional issue, and to make changes to the Constitution, if the legislature refers it, it takes a two-thirds majority or a supermajority from both houses to pass this major. And they don’t quite have those votes today. I believe it’s one vote shy in both chambers. Yeah, they may go for it. And if they do, they’re going to have to find some, let’s say, turncoat Republican to join them. So clarification on this.
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So could the state legislature repeal Tabor with that two-thirds, or is it just to get it referred to the ballot?
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That’s just to get it referred to the ballot.
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Okay.
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But here’s what they can do and have been doing all along, is they’ve been I’m sorry, your word for the day is just so appropriate. They equivocate on the terminology they use by putting in place fees to replace the appropriate word, which are taxes, because Tabor… says no new taxes without a vote of the people and so on. So the legislature says, well, we’ll just call it a fee and therefore we get a free pass and we can impose this cost on people. And I’ll even give you a very specific example when it comes to Medicaid expansion. One of the ways they played a game was putting in place what’s called the hospital provider fee, which means if you go into the hospital You are charged a fee for being there, which is a gimmick to ostensibly tell the federal government the state is contributing this much to Medicaid. But really, these dollars are simply sent to the federal government, who sends back twice as many if it’s a 50-50 share, and then that money goes back to Medicaid. theoretically, the hospitals, but it’s spread out in sort of a Marxist mentality of spreading it to the greatest need rather than the actual person who provided that fee. And I greatly simplified that. But I say that because I noted in a national publication talking about this gimmick that they use with the provider. They call it a provider tax in other states. But in Colorado, they call it a fee, and therefore they get away with it, and the legislature can raise taxes then.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And check out the Center for American Values. It is located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk, focused on these principles of honor, integrity and patriotism. And they do that through a number of educational programs for kindergarten through 12th grade. as well as on values presentations, keeping the stories of our Medal of Honor recipients at the forefront, as well as Drew Dix, one of the co-founders and Medal of Honor recipient for actions he took during the Vietnam War, has started a new podcast series. that you want to check that out. You can get all of that and find it at AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Kevin Lundberg, former Colorado State Senator, author of the Lundberg Report. And Kevin, the Lundberg Report comes out on Saturdays. And this last Saturday, you mentioned something about Elon Musk thinking about, opining about starting a third party. And you said, actually, if he wants to cut spending, he should support the Article 5 movement. So unpack that for us.
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Okay, I’d be glad to. First off, I relate to Elon Musk’s frustration with how the system works. And I think back to, oh boy, I think it was 1991. that I had the same exact opinion. Now, I didn’t have the national platform that Musk has, but I personally was just completely frustrated with how the Republicans were conducting their side-of-the-aisle business, you might say, in Congress and at the state level. And I was Just all for starting a third party. And I remember going to a gentleman that I didn’t know at the time, but I have since become a good friend with, but Michael Ferris, who started Homeschool Legal Defense Association and Patrick Henry College and was president of Alliance Defending Freedom. You know, somebody who’s really been around the block on a lot of important issues. And I went to him and I said, when are we going to start a party that stands for something and, you know, abandon this Republican Party that just seems to be so upside down sometimes? And he gave me a curious answer. He turned to me and he said, now remember, this is 1991. He said, let me tell you how the Republicans are going to take over Congress. And he went on to describe… PRECISELY WHAT NEWT GINGRICH DID IN 1994, THREE YEARS LATER, WHERE THEY TOOK A NATIONAL PLATFORM AND CREATED WHAT THEY CALLED A CONTRACT WITH AMERICA AND THEY PUT THAT BEFORE THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC RESPONDED AND SUDDENLY A CONGRESS THAT HAD BEEN IN CHARGE, IN CONTROL BY THE DEMOCRATS FOR 40 YEARS OR SO, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, FLIPPED THE OTHER DIRECTION. Now, why does that have something to do with starting a third party? Because the basic principle in politics in this country is this. It’s a two-party system. You’ve got to work within what you’ve got. And if you come in and try to change things like Ross Perot did years later, and what did our, let me think, no, not years previous to that, He thought he’d run for president as a third-party candidate, and all he did was just a spoiler. You know, he brought us Bill Clinton. And that’s what works that way. So Musk’s idea that let’s start a third party, you know, a new party, is just a spoiler. And what I said in the article is, or the little piece I put together as I referred to an article where a lot of significant movers and shakers are calling on Musk to retrain his attention to the real problem, which is the spending in Congress. The federal government can’t stop spending, and even the big beautiful bill blows the deficit up that much more. Now, I support the bill because I think that ultimately under the circumstances we have, we may get there, but not unless we take the next step, which is to change the United States Constitution to demand that the federal government live within its means. And that’s what the current efforts with Article 5 are all about. And the big leader right now in that arena is Convention of the States. And I’ve, oh, by the way, do you know who started Convention of the States? No.
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Oh, wow.
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Michael Ferris. Yeah, he actually, a little history here. There was a group of, I’ll call them patriots, because I think that’s the best term, some legislators, some academics, some business people who met in Denver at the Independence Institute and And back in, let me think, 2012, and Mike Ferris got word, found out about it, and he came to that meeting. And when I heard he came, was going to that meeting, I thought, I’m going to go there too. So I did. And it was all about how Article 5 needs to be reinvigorated and kicked into gear. And OUT OF THAT MEETING, BY HIS ENCOURAGEMENT TO ME, I HELPED START THE STATE LEGISLATORS ARTICLE 5 CAUCUS, WHICH WAS AN EFFORT TO MOBILIZE STATE LEGISLATORS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS. WE’VE DONE QUITE A BIT AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT WORK. WE’VE KIND OF MERGED WITH ANOTHER GROUP CALLED THE PATH TO REFORM THAT IS WORKING IN THIS ARENA. But anyway, that’s the important, most significant effort right now is the Convention of the States. And Mike Ferris started it. What do you know? But Elon Musk needs to do what a lot of, you know, like Cal Thomas and Rick Santorum and a few folks like that have been publicly said, Musk needs to look at article 5 and get behind that because if we can put a constitutional amendment requiring a Tabor like amendment so this ties right into what we were talking about with Tabor if we can put this at the national level we can it can actually do two things one is really give Congress and our national government a path to balance the budget and And number two, the states will have reasserted their constitutional authority of making law in the Constitution without Congress. And it kind of reminds me of what the Colorado Constitution says about we the people versus our state legislature, where it says, curiously, it’s called Article 5. works establishes the legislature in the Colorado Constitution but that’s very different article by the national one establishes the Mac mechanism for amending the Constitution anyway in the Colorado Constitution says we the people reserve the right to make law independent of the legislature and that’s what the states need to do as well we the states need to make a constitutional amendment to limit the growth of government at the federal level, independent of Congress, because they’ll never do it on their own.
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Well, that is for sure. So let’s go to break. When we come back, I’d like you to give us an update on where the Article 5 movement is, because I know that there’s been a number of states that have approved this. So let’s get an update on where that is exactly. And these discussions are super important. And if you have been injured, be sure and reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out the website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And the USMC Memorial Foundation has a couple events that will be coming up. There will be the 48th anniversary of the memorial on August 23rd with a special performance by Dave Bray. And then there will be a 5K at Arvada’s Apex Center on September 20th. So those are a couple of things that you can do to have some fun and support the Memorial Foundation. And that website to get more information is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Talking with former state senator here in Colorado, Kevin Lundberg. And Kevin, we are talking about Article 5 and the movement to amend the U.S. Constitution to force Congress to balance the budget. Where is this movement at right now?
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Well, let me start with this. Article 5 says specifically that in order to amend the U.S. Constitution, there are two paths. Either Congress, by a two-thirds vote from both houses, recommends an amendment, which then goes to the states who… uh… have to buy a three-quarters majority which means thirty currently thirty eight states have to approve the change for the amendment to be put in place or two-thirds of the states can call for a convention to record uh… that would meet to recommend amendments that then would go back to the states in three-fourths the states need to approve it Article 5, when we use that term, we’re talking about the second method because we have amended the Constitution 27 times, and that includes the first 10, the Bill of Rights, of course. But those were all by a referred measure from the Congress. The states have never successfully put two-thirds together to have a comp uh… a convention or at least it hasn’t been recognizes that uh… there have been in or uh… all well over four hundred resolutions passed by states calling for a uh… a convention to uh… uh… recommend uh… uh… amendments it’s never been recognized that two-thirds have called for a specific topic uh… even though In 1979, the case can easily be made, and there are some efforts in courts right now to say, look, we did meet that threshold. So back then, and that was calling specifically for a balanced budget amendment. Now, I gave you a little bit of history on where the Convention of States started, and that kicked into gear back in 2012. when Convention of States was first launched. And there they started anew with a new wording of the call for a convention, which included term limits for Congress as well, and a limitation on the growth of government. But you could call it kind of a super-tabor, which included term limits. And there, I think there are up to 16 states that have passed that specific resolution calling for that convention. Now, I’ve got to address one other thing, and that is there are some of our friends on the right who say, oh, no, no, no, we’ll have a runaway convention, and then they’ll propose a new constitution, and all will be lost. Well, they’re not reading the Article 5 very carefully, because it takes free force of the states… to then approve of anything. And, you know, if they point back to the Constitutional Convention that was held at our nation’s founding, well, they didn’t have Article 5 as a guidance and direction. But an Article 5 convention cannot run away. It can propose amendments, but those amendments mean nothing until three-fourths of the states sign off on it. That means in today’s world, 13 states, if they refuse, then it goes nowhere. So anyway, I needed to kind of throw in that detail too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, and I’m glad that you did because I was going to ask that question. So to get the convention called, and if it comes through the states, it takes two-thirds of the states to do that. But then the amendments that are proposed… three-quarters of the states have to approve it. Am I hearing that correctly?
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct, yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so it’s a very high bar to get this done.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, very. And as I say, it really was… Well, okay, one other nuance here. A lot of resolutions call for a specific topic, but there have been a lot of resolutions passed by states calling for a general convention. And if you aggregate those calls for a general convention with a specific topic, such as the balanced budget amendment, that’s why there’s an argument that there are like 37 or 38 states, something like that, that technically had called for a convention that could have the charge of putting a balanced budget amendment together. But I still think COS is the biggest, best one. They have almost 3 million people that have signed on to say, yes, we support this. And as I say, 16 states, I believe, is what their number is right now. They need 34. That’s what two-thirds is. But they’re working hard, and I think they’ve got a fairly decent shot. And that’s why I believe that if Elon Musk were to lend his support to this effort, then it would make a huge difference. in really fixing what I believe is one of the fundamental needs for our federal government, which is to put some shackles on Congress so that they can’t go beyond, just like Tabor does to the Colorado Constitution, or government, I should say, through the Constitution. We need that same mechanism that will you know, insist that whether or not we’ve got a, you know, a real aggressive conservative government in place, we’ve got a constitution that says it’s still supposed to be limited, limited to what you, you know, to the means you have. Don’t spend money you don’t own.
SPEAKER 12 :
So who would decide? Let’s say that the, get to this, two-thirds of the states say, yes, we want to call a convention of the states. Who will decide who will represent each state?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s up to the state to send delegates. Here’s the important principle, is each state has one vote in that convention. Just like they do when, if the House of Representatives is to select a president, which under certain circumstances that’s what it is, California doesn’t get any more vote than Wyoming in that decision. And that’s the way Article 5 is structured as well, that the states, as states, not as an aggregate number of the big states get more votes than the little states. No, this isn’t a decision by states. It’s a core principle of the United States of America that the states have certain authority and independent sovereignty on their own. Each state It takes 34 of them, and it doesn’t matter what size they are. And same thing when it comes to them recommending amendments. Once each state gets one vote, and you need a majority within that convention to move that on to the final step, which takes 38 states.
SPEAKER 12 :
So, Kevin, though, my question is, who decides? Can Jared Polis say that he’s going to be one of the delegates? Who decides who those delegates would be?
SPEAKER 15 :
The legislature is the plenary body within each state, within our Republican form of government, you know, according to Article 4 in the Constitution. The legislatures will set up the mechanism for how their delegates are selected. And so, yeah, in a hard left state… The legislature may send some folks who have a very different opinion. But actually, I’m not going to name Colorado there because I’m not willing to say that we’re as hard left as your policies, nor our legislature is. And I believe that, you know, this is representative government. And so That’s how that works, is each state makes their own rules on who they send and how many they send, but they only get one vote.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, how does the vote occur to say that, yes, we want to call a convention of states?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is, again, a decision by the legislature through a resolution. And in Colorado, that does not include the governor’s signature. A resolution only requires… A MAJORITY VOTE FROM BOTH HOUSES FOR THAT CALL TO OCCUR. AND COLORADO DID HAVE A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY RESCINDED THAT. AND I EVEN QUESTION WHETHER THAT’S POSSIBLE BECAUSE ONCE A CALL IS MADE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT’S A FACT, BUT THAT’S A LEGAL DETAIL THERE. So it’s the legislature that has the authority to initiate the call through resolutions, and it’s the legislature who has the authority to determine who then goes to that convention. And it’s finally, well, actually, there was another detail, though. According to Article 5, it can be either the legislature approving that in that final step or conventions, which they did do. when prohibition was repealed, it was repealed by conventions, which means an assembly of citizens met to determine do we approve this or not. But that’s That’s getting into a complication that I’d need two or three more hours to describe.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, this has been a great information on this, and I really appreciate it. Kevin, we’ve got just about 30 seconds left. How would you like to wrap this up?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, a lot of things are going on, and I don’t spend a lot of time talking with you on Article 5. But in my opinion, this is one of the most important – political actions that we can do in our time. Even as Tabor has had that much effect on Colorado, and it’s been positive, so too, if we could initiate a control on Congress, it would have huge ramifications for our future generations.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and the bottom line is elections really do matter. Kevin Lumberg, thank you so much. We’ll talk to you again in a couple of weeks. And thank you. I always appreciate it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sounds great.
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And their example is, evidence of the drug’s effectiveness has been equivocal. And so your challenge is to use the word equivocal in a sentence today. And again, that is spelled E-Q-U-I-V-O-C-A-L. Our quote of the day is from James Madison. He was our fourth president, born in 1750, died in 1836. Yeah, excuse me, 1836. He said, if our nation is ever taken over, it will be taken over from within. And then I have added in, although I’ve missed it the last few days because we’ve had so much going on, a quote from George Washington’s Rules of Civility and Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation. It says, show nothing to your friend that may affront him. So again, he says, put not off your… This is what he said. He said, put not off your clothes in the presence of others, nor go out of your chamber… And again, that is George Washington’s suggestions on how to be civil and have decent behavior. And so again, super interesting that he would sit down and write a book like that. Did want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. Great discussion with Kevin Lundberg. in our number one regarding Article 5 of our Constitution. And Todd, thank you for this clarification. He texted me. He’s very involved with the Convention of States. He said 19 states, not 17, have passed Convention of States through both houses to date. And I think that benchmark, I had my notes here, was that we needed to get to two-thirds of the states to call for that convention. And I know that people are working diligently on that. And one of the main reasons that they want to get this called is to get this spending under control in Congress because we are spending ourselves into oblivion. And with that, the big beautiful bill, the Congressional Budget Office, the CBO, has said that this would increase spending significantly. We had had some of the representatives from the Center for Renewing America, and that organization was founded by Russell Vogt, who is the head of Trump’s Office of Budget and Management. And one of the things regarding the CBO’s predictions is they are using what’s called a static model, economic model, where you input this, you get this output. They don’t really incorporate what could happen if this economy really got to rocking and rolling, and this economy grew significantly, and lowering taxes on everyday people actually will stimulate the economy. And if the economy grows significantly, the bigger pie will increase tax revenues, which hopefully we can start to then decrease our deficit spending and decrease our debt. So I think that is the hope of what Trump is trying to get lined around on that. So stay tuned. We’ll have to see how that goes. But this is from the Wall Street Journal. And it is by Rachel Wolf. And it was published yesterday. It says the U.S. economy is regaining its swagger. And if, in fact, we get this economy really rocking and rolling, then it’s going to be very good for Americans. And when Americans are thriving and prospering, then it’s good for the rest of the world as well. So we’ll see what happens on that. But she went on to say in this article when President Trump slapped tariffs on nations across the globe this spring, many economists feared higher prices and spending cuts would flatten the economy. But that didn’t happen. Businesses and consumers are regaining their swagger. And evidence is mounting that those who held back are starting to splurge again. So we’ve gone through a difficult time. But with this Trump economy, we get that going, that will be great. So I wanted to mention regarding the election last night for the Colorado State GOP vice chair, there was a vacancy that was created, and former state representative Richard Holthorff, won that race and my source says it was somewhat of a close race over Mark Hampton and so congratulations to Richard Holthorff on that and we have got to get to a point where we come to agree that we need to reclaim Colorado instead of all of this Republican fighting. We need to make sure that we are focused on the principles that we need to be so that we can reclaim this great state that we love. However, I had mentioned in the first hour that we’ve got a very powerful and influential group headed up by Josh Penry. It’s called 76 Group. They do a lot of different things. They also have a company that does canvassing, that’s Blitz canvassing, where they can do signature gathering to get candidates and issues onto the ballot. But I just recommend that you take a look. at 76 group and do what they what they do and you’ll see a couple of things that over the years i have been very concerned about and a couple of those things were the gallagher amendment which they have right here on their website that they were running that campaign for yes on amendment b and of course the gallagher amendment once that was repealed It put in place – well, it took away the guardrails on residential property taxes. And within two years, we saw residential property taxes balloon significantly to a point where I’m concerned people may get taxed out of their home. So Josh Penry and the 76 group ran that campaign. They also ran the campaign on, yes, on Amendment 71, which I talked about in the first hour, has in place that to get an amendment passed to the state constitution, it was called Raise the Bar, was that at least 55% of voters needed to approve getting that amendment into the constitution. but to repeal an amendment that’s in the constitution it only takes 50 plus one and of course tabor which was passed in 1992 by the people of colorado was put in place to again keep gar put guard rails on spending by government. And it basically says to PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, if you want to raise our taxes, you have to get our permission. If you want to keep excess revenue over a very generous formula of population plus inflation, you have to ask us. And then lastly, if you’re going to incur debt that we have to pay off, you have to ask us. Now, the ink wasn’t even dry before there were those that were trying to figure out ways to get around Tabor. 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SPEAKER 07 :
Good morning, Kim. Thanks for having us on the show.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. And Blaine, welcome as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, thank you very much.
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So, Mark, give us some background information regarding your concerns on Chaffey County and the land use codes there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sure. I’d like to preface it with how I kind of got involved. I was helping out on a county commissioner race last year about this time, and it was then that this new draft land use code was floated out to the public when we first got a look at it. It had been in development for a long time. And so it was during these hearings for the land use code that I came to know some of the other landowners and I listened to their serious objections on the proposed code. Basically, a lot of people immediately recognized the problems. And so the fight kind of began at that point when we were protesting this adoption of the code. And so I cut to no blame through that process and some of the other people who were like-minded. I’d also like, before I get into the particulars of it, and Blaine’s going to explain some things as well, I just wanted to say we might be using the term LUC, which is abbreviation for land use code, and also regulations or law. Those words are interchangeable with code. Some of the unique parts of this that people should be aware of are these regulations only apply to private property, not the public property. They also don’t apply to the cities. So it’s the land outside the cities in the county that this code applies to. Another important part is Chasey County is 83% public land. And of that 17 remaining private land, only 5% of that is left to build on.
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Okay.
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So I think we’re kind of in a unique situation compared to the front range. So there was kind of two phases. There was some planning commissioners Public hearings last fall, the Planning Commission was really the one that developed the regulations. And so there was a period of time where we attended those public hearings of the Planning Commission. Their goal was to determine whether or not they recommended to the county commissioners to adopt the code. So we protested. We all said our piece. and pretty much fell on deaf ears, and they recommended the code be adopted to the county commissioners. Okay. And then after that, there was another series of public hearings that the county commissioners held. But what we learned, and we’re still learning about this code. It’s 400 pages. It’s really, like you said, you know, voluminous laws that nobody has time to read. But we’ve been working at it. And what we’ve learned so far is that private property rights have been violated. Many people’s plans for their properties have pretty much been ruined. People have plans, right? They have dreams. Their dreams are their plans. And they don’t necessarily share those with the planning department. They might you know buy a buy a mining claim or whatever and sit on it for for 20 or 30 years planning to retire and build a house there so um it’s got plans so these plans have been in many cases have been shattered um like you say kim um plans uh this code is controls land it controls land through regulations We also found out that through some analysis, millions if not over a billion dollars of land equity had been stripped from individuals. We had a person in our group do an analysis of the financial loss. He looked at 45 miles of Arkansas River frontage and came up with a really high number. That’s because they’ve changed the setbacks of building along the Arkansas River, which In some cases, just make some people’s property worthless.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so what you’re saying, Mark, and you’re a property owner in Chaffey County, both you and Blaine?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
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Okay. So this new land use code, which has just been passed in Chaffey County after all these years. So, for example, if someone had property along the Arkansas River, and the main cities in Chaffey County are Salida, Buena Vista, and Poncha Springs, that they could no longer… build where they wanted to on their property, the property they own that is along the Arkansas River. So hence, that means that maybe they might want to sell it to somebody else that might want to build there. That means that since they can’t do that, that that reduces the property value. Am I following you correctly on that, Mark?
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Yes. It’s kind of a point that takes a while to understand. And Blaine will get into this, but it’s not an eminent domain situation where the actual ownership gets transferred. It’s more of a taking of the equity in the land. It’s called a regulatory takings. It’s a land grab.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Through a regulatory takings.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
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So, yeah, there’s been a huge wealth transfer. to the public. The potential value, that’s what we’re talking about. Your equity is your potential value. And other benefits like the scenic beauty, that’s been transferred from private property has been transferred to the public basically is what’s happened.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. So Blaine, give us a sequence of events on how this happened.
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Yeah, well, basically the state kind of recommended prior to 2020, recommended that all counties and municipalities develop a land use code, a comprehensive plan. And in between all of this was, I’m sure we’ve all heard the UN Agenda 30 by 2030 proposal. where it was an agenda for 15-minute cities, for getting denser and denser to the cities and towns. And in 2023, they basically stated that by statute that they’re required to have a comprehensive master plan in Colorado. And so in 2020, Chaffey County did theirs. And by and large, like Mark had said, only 5% is developable land in the rural areas. We have lots of farm and ranch properties. I started out 45 years ago. I’ve been a CPA, and I work on valuations and conservation easements, and I worked in the lower Arkansas Valley, and farming wasn’t sustainable then, and lots of farmers and ranchers had to sell their water rights. And I think that’s kind of the motivation behind all of this, is it’s squeezing private property owners, ranchers and farmers, basically… where they previously had one dwelling unit for two acres of their property, the land use code changed it to one unit for 35 acres.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that’s not did, sir.
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Which is drastic. Pardon? No, it’s not. Yeah, it’s completely contrary to the affordable housing plan contention that they’re making. So to me, it’s control. And so, I mean, six land use bills passed in Colorado State House May 2024, and Polis has signed them already. And this was basically prompted for affordable housing, moving density to 15-minute towns, and preserving open space. When they say preserve open space, they’re basically converting it to a community benefit. And so what we’re what we’ve Mark and I and all our group has rapidly expanded our base to fight the county commissioners on this and the Planning and Use Commission. What was interesting was in those six bills, the it gave the local governments right of first refusal to buy subsidized public type housing. And what we’re finding up here in Chaffey County is they’re basically PBIs of Chaffey Housing Authority is a state subsidiary. And one of our planning and zoning chairs is Don. That is the interim, excuse me, now the permanent CEO of of Chaffey Housing Authority.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that person’s on the Planning Commission?
SPEAKER 08 :
He’s the chair of the Planning Commission. Wow. And then you have the Chaffey Housing Trust, which is a 501c3 that gets money from public donations and buys up property.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. Okay. We’ve got to continue this discussion. I’m talking with the listeners, Mark Kostelik and Blaine Clark, citizens who are unpacking this regulatory takings of our land. And I had used the quote at the end of the show from James Madison regarding property rights. And this is why this discussion is really important. Mark and I have texted back and forth. really for at least a year on these particular issues. And I said, would you like to come on the show and talk about it? So it’s really great that we have Marcus Delick and Blaine Clark on the line. These discussions happen because of our sponsors. And I really appreciate the Second Amendment, or the Second Syndicate, who is protecting our Second Amendment.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. As you all know, I totally support the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo, Colorado, because of the great work that they’re doing regarding these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. The Center is nonpolitical. It’s nonpartisan, but they do amazing work. And be sure and check out Drew Dix’s new podcast series, which you can find at the website. And that website is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And on the line with me is listeners Mark Kostelik and Blaine Clark. We’re talking about Chaffey County and their land use codes. This came in from Jenny on the text line. The text line is 720-605-0647. And she said this, she said, land use codes, Central planning are communistic tools used to control private property. Mark is absolutely correct on this as a regulatory takings. And this could be part of the World Economic Forum’s agenda, their 30 by 30 land grab. And we are at the forefront, I think, here in Colorado. Blaine. Explain a little bit more about this, because prior to 2020, you had more freedom regarding your property in Chaffey County, yes?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, for sure. Not only what we’re finding in our group, our group is just building of landowners that they’re realizing they can’t do any major changes if they have. They previously had 50-foot setbacks from the riverbank, the high-water mark. And now it’s 150 feet setback, which basically eliminates some of it, puts them right to the road that abuts their property. But it’s not only just river property. It’s farm and ranch, anything that’s rural in the previous code. The rural basically allowed you to have one dwelling unit for two acres, which even includes mining claims up by St. Elmo and around Princeton and Antero. And people bought these mining claims 25 years ago. We have one friend of ours. And now… and they built culverts to get to their properties and, and planning on building a home for their kids and, and all of that. And in, in those designated areas that are, uh, forested and everything else, they, they can only have hunting sheds or, or, you know, 400 square foot units. They can no longer build anything. Uh, on their property.
SPEAKER 12 :
And this was a change with this new land use code?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, yes. And so what it really is, Kim, is basically all the rural places that usually have to get septic or wells to get water, those are the properties that are getting targeted. They want infrastructure to stay close to towns. They want to build the density close to towns. And in Chaffey and Salida, they basically have prefabricated homes that are stacked on each other. And they have those so that everybody can basically walk to their cafes or walk to the grocery stores or everything’s within 15 minutes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, my gosh. Okay. Wow. So tell me a little bit about these new regulations. Who developed them, Blaine?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, the Planning and Zoning Commission, what they had is they had one law firm out of the Denver area, Logan and Simpson, basically was working on the land use code and charged over $175,000 through 2023. But in 2024, they hired a new firm, Fairfield and Woods, out of Denver. And They took it over basically in 2024 across the finish line. The county attorney, Daniel Tom, who was the county attorney, left and resigned just before these land use codes were published at the end of September last year. And he got a severance package of $70,000 that we got through the CORA request. And when that was put into place around August of last year, the Planning and Zoning Commission, which had Marjo Kurgis, who is the chair of the Planning and Zoning Committee, was also, as I said, the interim CEO of Chafee Housing Authority. And now she is the permanent CEO of Chafee Housing Authority. And she was the one that basically had those hearings. And as Mark said, it fell on deaf ears. There was tons of people that said, I’m a landowner. I’ve lost $900,000 worth of value in my property if this land use code goes forward. Then the commissioners had hearings. And at the end of October, November, uh the commissioners heard the hearing and it was the same thing people complained talked about it and they passed it anyway and so what we’re trying to do is some folks that were in our group had plans to build and expand their property And way back prior to a moratorium of building, that was another thing that was kind of creeped up on all the landowners is in June of 2022, they put an application process moratorium. And it was supposed to only last for six months. Well, it lasted for two and a half years.
SPEAKER 12 :
What was their premise on a moratorium on building?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because they were developing the new land use code. Aha.
SPEAKER 12 :
Aha. Okay. When I say they’re playing long ball, they are playing long ball on this. Ginny had had a great point, though, is that these globalists are – thinking globally, but they’re acting locally. They have taken over. And I really don’t think that we should have these planning commissions because they’re unelected, they’re appointed, they’re unaccountable to the people. And then you will see electeds, and I have that in air quotes, electeds then defer to the planning commission. They say, well, the planning commission studied this. This is their recommendations. But what it ends up is being a regulatory takings, as you said, Mark. And Susan said you guys are doing a good job of explaining why zoning and planning is such a challenge. And public property equals government property. And affordable housing is actually government housing. And those things are communistic. They’re Marxist. Let’s see here. I think I wanted to make sure. Okay, one other thing. You said the Chaffey Housing Trust, which is a 501c3. So what that means is that somebody could make a contribution, get a tax write-off, and then this housing trust could purchase land or property, in this case buying up mobile home parks, for affordable housing. So wrap that up for me on that, Mark. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, I think Blaine would actually be better to talk about.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. I used to audit counties a long time ago. And, you know, there’s a conflict of interest clause in most county documents. And what the Chafee Housing Trust does is basically they buy up people that are – we do have an affordable housing problem, but the way they’re fixing it is through government regulations and the PBIs and all these people that are making salaries with one organization, but then they’re on the planning commission of another organization. And the Chafee Housing Trust which is the 501c3, they accumulate funds and buy, like, mobile home parks, but they can also buy apartments for folks. So they use the taxpayer-donated funds, and they’re exempt, and they purchase the properties, but the cash flow, they can’t get the cash flow except through Chavy Housing Authority. which is the government subsidy. It’s an intergovernment organization. And that Chafee Housing Authority is the means to subsidize the rent. We have a big unit, a 60-unit item here that they had to mandate. EV charging units in every single one of them, but it’s for affordable housing. Most people can’t afford an electric car. So it’s just a big circle of funds being transferred through a 501c3, but then our taxpayer money is paying for the salaries, which in this case is over $105,000 of the CEO of Chafee Housing Authority.
SPEAKER 12 :
Who is the chair of the planning commission?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, ma’am.
SPEAKER 12 :
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The public mantra was that the community wanted the city to remain the city and the county to remain the county. They talked a lot about, and what that really boils down to is open space. They want open space, and that disproportionately targets the larger landowners like farmers and ranchers. So, yeah, it’s a lot about open space. But instead of creating a conservation easement and compensating the landowner for that, they just basically sanction the rancher and not allow them to change the use because they’re really after the open space. I know we don’t have much time left. I thought I’d hit some of this. Another big item, at least for me, is that the county makes some claims on your property. They claim your property for the wildlife. They’ve got a wildlife map, which shows various quality habitat levels, and depending on your property and what it’s wildlife habitat is designated that they can they can block you from doing what you want they also the county also claims private property as the community’s visual resource which to me was a real eye-opener in other words they can claim your if they think your private property is visually attractive they They will block you from doing what you want with it because it really belongs to the community, the public. They even say visitors. Visitors to the county basically have a right to look at your property in a pristine state. So they’ll block you from doing things there. They’ve done setbacks. They’ve attacked view lots. View lots are the most valuable, traditionally, lots that there are, lots that are near bodies of water, lots that are built on ridges, which, of course, have great views. regulations in there that prevent you from building on ridges and near bodies of water.
SPEAKER 12 :
Even if you own that property?
SPEAKER 07 :
Even if you own that property. They put in some big setbacks on streams, rivers, lakes, ponds. I learned last night that streams have a setback of 300 feet. That was from one of our group members that impacts him. So it’s not – I think we’ve gone from a role of government of looking after safety, making decisions based on safety. Of course, the river has a floodplain, and you want to be safe, safe distance from the river. But they’ve broken through that barrier, and now they’re staking claims on your property based on aesthetics. So I personally don’t believe that aesthetics is the proper role of government. But there it is. That’s what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. And Mark, yeah, and Mark, he and since we don’t have much time, the big thing that Mark has gone through is they do incentives. And this has been talked through at the state level. Incentives for basically mandating conservation easements. In other words, where you had one unit for 35 acres, which used to be one for two acres, you can make and have two units if you set aside 67% of your property as open space. That’s what Mark’s alluding to, which is a mandated conservation easement. You don’t get a tax break for that. And those, yeah, go ahead, Mark.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just wanted to add that that 67% that you have to set aside, that’s in perpetuity.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. So in a way, it’s like extortion. If you wanted to add an additional building onto your, have another building on your property, they say give a 67% of your land, basically, right? Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. They call it an incentive. It really is extortion.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. In the comprehensive plan, Kim, they called it, and I’ve never seen this before, they called it conservation subdivisions. Goodness. And that was for all the rural properties.
SPEAKER 12 :
And your electeds voted to approve this? Yes. How many commissioners do you have?
SPEAKER 08 :
Three. Three.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Okay. Okay, I’m going to give you each about a minute to wrap this up. Let’s go to you first, Blaine.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, I’ll just say that, you know, I wanted to kind of retire. But now we’re just fighting public officials and unelected folks. basically taking private property rights. You know, I’m not a farmer or a rancher, but a lot of my friends are, and they really want to do succession planning. And they want to have their kids involved in their ranching arrangement. And this takes away the incentive for them to pass on their legacy. which is over 100 years with Mark and a lot of our friends, 150 years. So we just have to fight this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. We’re going to have to stay on top of this. Mark Kostelik, your final thought.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah, as Blaine said, it’s a big impact to us. Our family ranch has been in place since 1905. And we had a lot of plans for it. I had a lot of plans for it when I retired, but I can’t do them now. And it’s just, and I feel for everybody who’s been impacted, and I see this as, you know, being contagious. It may come to other counties in Colorado. So, you know, fair warning to everyone that this is coming and to try to, Perhaps stave it off before it affects your county.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, this is definitely an assault upon private property rights. It’s a takings. And I’ve been concerned about conservation easements. But, Blaine, to your point, at least there was some compensation for conservation easements. But it still is giving up control of the land. And this is all… This is all planned out. I wonder who gave this law firm the language on all of this land use new codes, which is 400 pages long. We’re going to have to have you guys back on. This is really important information. So, Blaine Clark, thank you. Thank you. We need to stand and take a stand on this. And Mark Kostelik, thank you so much. You’re both just regular people that are heroes. So, thank you for standing up for property rights.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thanks, Sam.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thanks.
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And James Madison said this, he said, where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions. And they start with possessions, but you can walk that back, that’ll go to opinions. And so today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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