Join John Rush for a riveting conversation that probes the darker recesses of the human psyche. With special guest Dr. John Brady, this episode navigates the complexities of understanding organized sexual offenders, with a particular focus on Jeffrey Epstein’s notorious history. Discover how Epstein’s methods and mindset were shaped by underlying narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies, the societal structures that enabled his offenses for decades, and the challenges posed in attempting to rehabilitate such individuals. This episode is not only an education in forensic psychology but also a call to recognize and challenge the power dynamics at play in high-profile
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And we are back on number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And as I said in last hour, Dr. John Brady joining us now. Dr. Brady, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, I’m great, and I really appreciate the opportunity to be on your station, and hopefully we can go over some of the psychological stuff concerning the Epstein case.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. You’re a forensic psychologist. Twenty-five years you’ve spent doing what you do, and you have interviewed all sorts of people, written multiple books along these lines. Before I go any further, you can pre-order a new book. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right, which is called Breakdown, which is a psychological comparison of Lee Harvey Oswald’s background to Sirhan Sirhan. And what I found is that there’s more similarities than dissimilarities. So that book is… published by Trine Day, and that will come out in October. It should be a pretty revealing book concerning the mental status of these two 24-year-olds that were accused of killing the Kennedy brothers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, perfect. Well, we look forward to that. Talk to us about Epstein. As you know, big in the news right now, the files and so on, but I’m more concerned like you. I want to know more of what makes individuals like him do what they do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, I’ve dealt with a lot of sexual offenders. I’ve dealt with sexual assault offenders, I’ve dealt with serial rapists, with people that committed murder, sexual murder cases. With Epstein, let’s start with one of his famous quotes, which is, he said, look it, I control everyone, I control everything, I collect people, I own people, and I can damage people. This is a pretty revealing statement that he made that really typifies his own psychopathology as an organized… control offender. And this dates back in his history to when he was a high school teacher at the Dalton School in New York, where the beginnings of this control expression first arose in his behavior. Then it just progressed more deeply. His situation is As a criminal offender, it’s a power and control situation, which he used throughout his career in sexual trafficking.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. That’s a question I’ve always had because this is one that I’m not you and I am not in your world at all. So I’ve always just wondered, okay, what makes people go down these paths in the first place? Is it something that happens to them when they’re a young child? Is it in their DNA? Is it something they pick up along the way? I mean, I’ve never understood why some of these people want to damage others. And I think you said it well a moment ago, or he said it well. It’s a control thing, but I’ve never been able to wrap my head around that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that the genesis of his control situation was really sort of an overcompensation to his own shyness and his initial depression. He became what we call a ritualistic sex offender. His whole life was oriented, John, around rituals, around sameness. around a pattern of behavior that he repeated every day. For example, if you look at something like his diet, he was a vegetarian, that he ate selective meals that were prepared for him. He ate yogurt. He thought that his body was his temple. He didn’t drink. He didn’t smoke. So he had this ritualistic kind of behavior that drifted into this later control situation where he probably abused, on the record, between 500 and 1,000 women using the same kind of ritualistic behavior in concert with Ghislaine Maxwell, who became his sort of surrogate supplier of the women in his ritual. So in a sense, his behavior… And what he did in the sexual part of his criminality is really similar to P. Diddy’s situation, where P. Diddy would hire people to bring in these women to victimize them. And then P. Diddy, of course, was an exhibitionist, so he liked to watch his victims being assaulted. Epstein had the same sort of a ritualistic regimen with each person that he had victimized, and he used Ghislaine Maxwell as kind of a highly educated pimp situation for a very disturbed young woman.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. What, other than them getting caught, like in this case happened between, you know, P. Diddy and Epstein, what makes them stop? Or would they continue on indefinitely unless somebody catches them?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that’s a good question. You know, there is no evidence concerning his rehabilitation, especially when he was the only information we have concerning his mental status. is what was done, the two interviews that were conducted on him at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan. The psychologist that interviewed him claimed that he didn’t have pathological behaviors that were noticeable. And the second interview, which came after his suicide attempt, a month before he actually committed suicide, noted that he did have some disturbing thoughts and behavior that may have led to his self-destructive behavior. And there’s a lot of controversy concerning that, but that’s the only mental status information that we have. The rest of it has to be pieced together based on his own behavior, based on anecdotal information supplied from a variety of hopefully reliable sources concerning his personality and how he drew Ghislaine Maxwell into this sense of being an organized sexual offender. So he’s a ritualistic sex offender. He’s an organized sexual offender. He’s a patterned sexual offender. He used the same modus operandi with each victim that he personally victimized. Then he would bribe the victims, the young, impressionable, naive girls who were just desperate for money, like Victoria. Geoffrey, she was a damaged person who had a drug situation. She was a troubled person. Many of these people that he drew into his network were troubled people, and then he would use them to recruit other girls, including high school girls, in Palm Beach. This goes towards his serial offending, which is more of a psychopathic offending really expressed with sexual gratification rather than a true pedophilic offender.
SPEAKER 15 :
Gotcha. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know if that helps.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, yeah, all of what you just said makes, I mean, fascinating. Again, I’m learning as I listen to you because some of this stuff, I have no idea how some of this works. So another question I’ve always had is if we – I don’t know if I’m normal or not, but us normal people, Dr. Brady, as we’re out and about and we’re conversing with different people and you may meet somebody new. I mean, even some of Epstein’s folks, you know, people met him at parties and different things and so on. I mean, you socialize. Those people get out in public and socialize. How do you pick these people out of a crowd or can you?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, how can you identify a pre-identified offender?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, like an Epstein. How can you identify somebody like him when you’re out in public, or can you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that, you know, you don’t want to get political, I know, but I mean, I think that Donald Trump identified Epstein as being a predator. That’s why he expelled him from his club in Mar-a-Lago.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you can get political here.
SPEAKER 15 :
We don’t care. I mean, that doesn’t bother me at all. And I think that, by the way, that’s the first time I’ve really ever heard anybody say something along those lines, meaning he saw something there that bothered him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s right. I mean, he saw the abusive – movements that he made towards one of his employees. Interestingly enough, Victoria Giaffre was a massage assistant at Mar-a-Lago, and she was recruited by by Maxwell and then introduced to Epstein. So his network was spread out pretty wide from New York to Mar-a-Lago, where he would recruit these women and then engage in this particular behavior. Now, as I said at the beginning, Some of this may have been overcompensatory behavior because he had a low self-esteem pattern. He thought that his victimization of people would contribute to a higher self-esteem level. Probably the bottom line is that his own narcissism and grandiosity led to his engaging in these serial offenses.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. So for novices out there that are listening, and again, some people will never run into people like this. In other cases, Dr. Brady, other people may run into people like this on a consistent basis. I guess it depends on the circles that you run in and the type of places you go and the people you know and so on. I always wondered, even back in the day, you know, the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world and so on. It’s like, okay, if you were to ever meet one of those people, would you know that’s who they are? And that’s a question I’ve always had in the back of my mind, because frankly, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, with sexual predators, there is no real profile. It cuts across, and I’ve probably… diagnosed and treated more than 200 sexual predators, including pedophiles. There is no standard formulaic description of who these people are. They come from all walks of life. If you look at Epstein, here he comes from the upper crust of society, he expresses his control factor, his control features and his personality is expressed through sexual conquest, where he feels that he is in total control, he’s all-powerful, and he can do what he wants to do because he can get away with it. And that’s pretty much what a lot of the victims that testified against him said, that he was a control person, that he thought his position of power put him above the law, that he was sort of this person that didn’t have to adhere to the ordinary standards of morality and societal harmony, that he could do what he wanted to do and his control stuff. By his control factors, he demonstrated that he could do what he wanted to do. And that’s back to the original quote. The last part of the quote, where I can damage people, is very revealing, because in my mind, there is some… evidence that he has some information concerning the victimizing of children by people in high levels of politics and society.
SPEAKER 15 :
Got it. Now, a question I also have along those lines is, because he’s not a drug addict, he doesn’t drink, he’s worshipping his body, as you said, so the question I have is, does then this power control and victimization, is that his drug?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, probably, if you want to look at it from a from a physiological standpoint, probably the exhilaration that he gets from his control situation in these ritualistic sexual encounters probably did stimulate part of the brain that is the same part that certain drugs can activate, particularly in the amygdala area. Of the brain, where certain kinds of drugs would affect that area. So I think that’s a really interesting point. I hadn’t really thought about it, so I’m glad you brought it up. that his drug was this control situation expressed through sexual behavior, although I see this as a secondary, as just the methodology that he used to express his aggression. I mean, obviously, this man hated women. He felt rejected. that he was, underneath, he probably thought he was just a loser. And I’ve seen other kinds of people in this situation who finally came to the realization that the structure that they had created was really a house of cards and that they really didn’t know who they were and they couldn’t stop.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting. So is there a cure for these types of individuals? In other words, is this something that, you know, somebody like yourself, you sit down, you have conversations, they go through therapy and so on. Is it fixable, I guess, is what I’m asking.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think that there’s a number of treatment programs that could be used with people like this, particularly in the prison system, that the implosive therapy that is a repeated therapy. presentation of stimulus situations that precipitate his need for this control as expressed through sexual behavior. It’s a lot like treating post-traumatic stress disorder. And I saw a lot of this kind of behavior when I worked at the VA hospital and saw people coming back from Afghanistan where they had these trauma situations And I think that people like Epstein can be treated, although his dangerousness is the key to his rehabilitation. And we’ll never get a chance to do that because, you know, because he’s dead and we don’t really know what happened to him, how he died.
SPEAKER 15 :
Does that – let me make sure I phrase this correctly. How does what he has compared to, say, a serial killer – I mean, are they still both living off of that quote-unquote high when they have that total – in the case of a serial killer, total control of the point of killing someone. In Epstein’s case, total control of the point of sexually abusing them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s a good point. It’s the same – Same sexual dynamics involved in the serial killer and in the serial sexual offender like Epstein. But Epstein’s primary diagnosis would be psychopathic deviation or psychopathic personality where he used these people. as pawns in his larger scheme to control people and to prove to society, at least for a while, actually a long while, probably 20 years, that he could pull this off without being arrested until he was arrested in Miami in, I believe, 2008 or so. Got it. For victimizing four victims at the time, and then he was convicted, and then he got sort of a sweetheart deal that involved what I call home furlough, which was kind of a misnomer, where he was allowed to stay home every day and then apparently go back to the jail at night.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting. JohnCBrady.com is the website. This has been fascinating. I have appreciated your time. I know we went a little longer than what I had said we would and what we planned for, Dr. Brady, but I appreciate your information greatly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I was looking forward to it. You made my day to have this interview. I really enjoyed it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’re very kind. Thank you for saying that, and I, too. I have enjoyed this greatly, and you’re welcome anytime. I appreciate this greatly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let’s talk again.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’ll do it. I appreciate that, Dr. Brady. Thank you so much. Again, Dr. John Brady and his book coming out. You can preorder it right now. It’s a criminal analysis of Lee Harvey Oswald and Saran Saran. And then, of course, his website, johncbrady.com. Fascinating, by the way. That stuff just fascinates me because I always wonder how those people’s brains even – Mine doesn’t function that way, so I have a hard time wrapping my head around some of that. So Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al Smith did an interview here of late. Stay tuned. I’ll be right back right after that. Golden Eagle Financial. Find him at klzradio.com.
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TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith with me once again. How are you, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? Doing pretty good. We’ve been talking about retirement and all that kind of stuff, and I was just curious, what do you usually talk about with the folks that come in for retirement planning? What does that mean?
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Well, if somebody’s close to that transition where they’re thinking about their 401k and where do you want to allocate that, where’s the best place to have that invested? And some people who were fortunate enough to have a pension will have a conversation about that, especially if it comes to selecting a survivorship option.
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And how does that fit with life insurance and that kind of thing, with pensions and life insurance?
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If someone takes a big reduction in their pension, that’s what they need to do in order to have a spouse collect part of their pension should they pass on. But that reduction in their pension will only benefit them if the primary worker dies before the spouse. Sometimes people choose life insurance instead. which may not provide quite as much financial benefit, but there’s a certainty that the money will stay in their family.
SPEAKER 08 :
And is that always a good idea to do, or how do you help folks make that decision?
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Well, it’s kind of a long conversation to some degree, because if someone has health concerns, then selecting that survivorship option is always a good idea, because it makes it much more likely that your spouse will collect that survivor benefit. On the other hand, sometimes the other spouse may be anticipating an inheritance.
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That is amazing and complicated, and that’s why I lean on you to learn all about the retirement process. Al, thanks so much for joining us today. Well, you’re welcome. Tell folks how to get in touch with you.
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You can reach me at my office, 303-744-1128. If you get voicemail, I return those very quickly.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back, and I don’t know about all of you, but I thoroughly enjoyed talking to Dr. John Brady. In fact, I want to get him back on and ask about other psychological things that I think people get into. For example, with Epstein, people thinking that this just happened when he just mentioned his first arrest was all the way back in the 2008 or so era, and I think we have sometimes people forget that that it was that long ago. We tend to think that it just happened yesterday, and it’s not. The other thing I think was really important of what he said, and I hope all of you caught it, he said as a clinical psychologist that has evaluated multiple people in that realm, he was not a pedophile. He was a hater and abuser of women, but he was not a pedophile, which there’s a lot of people out there, even on our side, calling him a pedophile. That’s not what this expert just said. Joe, you’re next.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, John, I just want to do a check in terms of news coverage. Um, in New York Saturday night, uh, uh, off duty customs agent was sitting in a park with his girlfriend Saturday night and two thugs on a scooter came up and tried to rob him at gunpoint. He got shot. He shot one of them. It turned out they were both illegal aliens from, uh, Dominican Republic. Did that story make the news in Europe?
SPEAKER 15 :
Not at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
So, and that kind of bothers me. So actually it’s a big, one of these, one of these guys had been arrested and released by the New York city police department four times. So of course in New York city, uh, as a sanctuary city, refuses to notify ICE, like, hey, we have an illegal alien here. This is his third arrest. So this guy had been arrested on four separate felonies, and here he is riding around in a scooter, and he tried to rob. Now, the guy’s in serious condition. The customs agent got shot in the face and the arm, and he’s in the hospital in serious condition. He did get two shots into the guy who the police arrested when he showed up at the hospital trying to get medical treatment. But when I read the story, they’re both illegal aliens from Dominican Republic with multiples arrests in the city of New York. And the reason they’re still walking around free is that the city of New York refuses to tell ICE.
SPEAKER 15 :
No different than what we would have here in Denver. It would be the same thing here.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And so I just want to see if the news, you know, in national news covered it, you know, in your neck of the woods. Obviously the answer was not. The second thing, I was talking to a friend of mine, a conservative friend, and we’re talking a bunch of things today. We were having a smoke and a cigar conversation. And we got talking about the Colbert show cancellation. I said, well, you know, he, you know, the show was losing $40 million. You know what?
SPEAKER 15 :
I didn’t have that in my notes. I was going to talk about that last week. I had it in my notes, never got around to it. I’m glad you just brought that up, Joe, because we can spend a minute or two talking about this because the left, you know, they’re just they’re going crazy. You know, it’s all Trump’s fault that Colbert is getting, you know, getting fired. And that’s why, you know, he’s not on air. And And the reality, Joe, is, as you know, other than a couple of Fox News programs that run late at night, the majority of, I haven’t looked at Jimmy Fallon, but the majority of late-night programming is losing money. They’re not making money on what they’re paying these guys, all the production of, and so on. They’re losing money.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, in fact, John, he had, now remember, it’s an hour show.
SPEAKER 15 :
And a staff of 100 or so, am I thinking right?
SPEAKER 1 :
200.
SPEAKER 15 :
200. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
For 40 minutes, it’s a one-hour show. You take out the commercials. John, it’s a staff of 200 for 40 minutes of content.
SPEAKER 15 :
What do you need 200 people to do that for? You don’t, obviously. You could run that on, I’m sorry to say, even production and cameras and the whole nine yards. If you couldn’t run that with a couple of dozen, you’ve got a problem.
SPEAKER 07 :
And, in fact, by the way, the Greg Gutfeld show on Fox said, which outdraws Colbert by almost a million viewers a night. He does it with a staff of eight.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so my 12 wasn’t too far off.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no. But the point is, that fact apparently was hidden. Everybody is doing the narrative that this was a pressure. They caved to pressure from Trump. And it had nothing to do. The show was losing. And by the way, their viewership was declining year over year. So that’s another thing that the media just kind of neglected.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s all Trump’s fault. It’s because he’s in you know, he’s in in charge, quote unquote, that this is all happening. And yet I guarantee you, Joe, if we were to interview executives from CBS and sat down and had a little meeting with them. And by the way, a lot of other networks, for that matter, they would be like, yeah, no, we’re like hemorrhaging dollars. And we’ve got to figure out how to you know, how to how to put the plug in here.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the last one, John, the story about the – it made national news last week. A woman in California, her relatives claim she’d been kidnapped by ICE and taken to a warehouse and forced to sign a self-deportation order. It turned out it was a hoax. It was a hoax. She staged the whole thing. Did that make the news?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, not here, of course.
SPEAKER 07 :
Not here. So – and my conservative friend was oblivious to all this stuff, and I’m saying – I’m shaking my head. What an incredible job the media is doing of— Suppressing info. Suppressing information, only letting you hear what they want to hear.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you know, and our side, by the way, sometimes isn’t any different. This is like the last guest I had talking about Epstein and his psychological end of things. This guy’s an expert in that, has interviewed, you know, 25 years. He’s even been on, you know, the defense stand and testimony and so on, talking about individuals and, you know, their background and their psychotic, you know— where they’re at psychologically speaking and so on. You know, he’s basically talking about Epstein being, you know, 100 percent a womanizer and somebody that abused women and so on, but not once. In fact, he specifically said he’s not a pedophile. But yet our side and a lot of people out there are calling him that, Joe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Actually, a bunch of people on the left are calling Trump a pedophile. Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
So they’re going to call him a pedophile. And yet this guy claims he’s an expert that even Epstein wasn’t. Right. So in fact, this guy, this last guest, for all of you that maybe didn’t catch that, I hope you did. He basically said, Joe, that at one point Trump said, listen, there’s some bad juju with this guy. He’s no longer allowed in the club. We’re disassociating ourselves with this guy. Yeah. That’s not in the press, Joe. No one’s talking about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And that, you know, and again, my friend doesn’t watch MSNBC. He doesn’t watch these, you know, crazy. He doesn’t watch Rachel Maddow. And yet what he hasn’t heard about these stories. And, you know, and we go to the gym together and we talk and we’ll sit next to each other on the bike. And every week it’s, I say, you’re kidding. You didn’t hear about that side. You didn’t hear about that piece of the story. And he’s not a liberal. He’s a conservative. Wow. And he says, Joe, I need to come sit next to you every day because I’m not hearing the stuff that you’re telling me. But it scares me, John, that the press is doing such a great job. Now, he doesn’t watch Fox News. If you watch Fox News, maybe he would hear some of the stuff. And I hate to be a shill for Fox News, but John, where else are you going to go to hear this stuff?
SPEAKER 15 :
Great question. Somebody just asked me, by the way, how many employees do I have? It’s me and Ann Upstates, the social media stuff and the website, and Charlie, of course, and he’s with the station here. So I guess you could say maybe there’s three of us, but actual employees, none.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you have to kid yourself. Here in the studio, I mean— you know, if there’s cameramen that, you know, work for CBS. Yeah, I get that.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then you’ve got to have editors and some production folks and, you know, somebody’s got to write some scripts and so on. But yeah, Charlie just said there’s 20 writers. Well, they must not be writing very well or his show would be doing better.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, yeah. But, you know, he is, he was the leading, he was the leading of those three shows. He did have the highest viewership, but All three of their viewers – I mean, they were all down around – he was only 2.4 million, and the rest were even lower than that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which, for those of you listening, that sounds like a big number, but not in TV land. It’s not.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, not in TV. I’m trying to remember, like, some of the – well, this guy that drowned in Costa Rica, I think the Cosby show had, like, 16 million viewers for that weekly show.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
So you talk about 2.4 million. And the staff at 200, John – I’m shaking my head. And when you talk about 40 minutes of content, since he would have a guest on every night. half of that 40 minutes was the guest talking. It wasn’t even him talking. He did a quick monologue.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, Charlie just said if he had to do it on his own, he wouldn’t. By the way, this is interesting. Jimmy Fallon, who, by the way, as you guys all know, all of you listening even, Joe, guys like me, you, Charlie, we grew up watching Johnny Carson and the like, and their viewership was huge. The Tonight Show right now is 1.18 million viewers is all. Insignificant, insignificant. Which means, you know, when it comes time to even look at his contract and such, they’ve got to start looking at some of these and say, wait a minute, time out. We’ve either got to get things scaled way back, and you’re going to do this for a lot less money, or we’re just going to have to cancel the show, one of the two.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and Colbert’s contract alone was $20 million. Now, John, think about that. $20 million, he was getting like $400,000 a night because he didn’t work 52 weeks of the year. Right, good point. So he was getting about $400,000 per show to host that show. Talk about insane, John. Again, but how it’s being spun is that CBS caved to pressure from Trump.
SPEAKER 15 :
As you know, Joe, this just strictly comes down to, at the end of the day, it’s literally dollars and cents. That’s all it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, John, you know that, I know that, but I can’t tell you how many people are believing the spin that they were pressured by Trump and they caved to Trump.
SPEAKER 15 :
The one advantage that media has, and this is on both sides of the aisle, by the way, Joe, is the majority of people, politicians included, they’ve never written a payroll check, Joe. They have no idea how that stuff works. None. In their defense, they don’t know. They have no clue, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
They have no clue.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, not to get off track, Joe, but it’s why I believe fully that, A, government hates small business, even medium-sized businesses, because they know what you and I just said goes away when you have those types of individuals involved. If they can get everybody to go work for someone else, including government, they have no clue how that works.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, you’re 100% correct. But, John, again, I find that I’m both saddened and scared.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
by how the media has been able to manipulate the vast majority of the American public, and that’s why shows like yours, John, are just so important. You know, shows like yours, and there’s others on at night, oh, Mark Levin and guys like him. But, you know, when you talk about their listenership, I mean, John, I don’t know how many listeners you have, but, you know, you’re a light in the darkness, you know, and there’s a couple of other guys in town that, you know, I remember… You know, Mike Rosen used to have a huge following, but Mike’s not with us. Well, Mike doesn’t have a show anymore. Nope. But we need guys like you, and we need guys like Mike Rosen and others.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
So please, John, keep doing what you do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I appreciate it, Joe. That means a lot. Thank you for that. I appreciate that very much, and we’ll talk to you Thursday.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, talk to you Thursday.
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All right. And Charlie and I were talking through the break, which you guys are not always able to hear, of course, because we’ve got commercials and other things going on. But looking through some of the numbers and the revenue numbers and the percentage drops in viewers, none of the late night shows other than Gutfield are doing well. They’re all struggling. And I will be the first to tell you that. A, the majority of them aren’t funny. I’ll just be straight up honest. They’re just not funny. They are not what I grew up with with Johnny Carson or even Jay Leno. They are not near as funny. The writing is not as good. They become so woke. All they’re into is politics and bashing this person and bashing that person. In a lot of them, it’s all about how can they take a hit at Trump or whatever the case may be, and it’s not boding well for them financially speaking. I’ll be honest. I can’t tell you the last time I watched – Outside of Gutfield, occasionally I’ll see something of his, even as a rerun, or I’ll watch something of his or whatever. But outside of that, I don’t watch any of them. I think the only reason why Jimmy Fallon is doing as well as he is is because he’s got a ton of social media following, meaning he’s got some presence there and the ability to do some things along those lines. But bottom line, none of them are doing very well in their slots. And then you’ve got to start asking the question, okay, what’s the future for late-night TV? And I’ll be straight-up honest. I don’t think they have one. I think all of it is changing. And here’s what I think personally. Here’s what I think is changing it. Social media. People are able to go on Instagram and watch reels. You can go on TikTok and watch those videos. You can go to YouTube and watch all the videos there, long or short. The reality is you can go to any of the other services we all have, Netflix, Prime, et cetera, and you can watch whatever it is you want to watch. And frankly, it’s more entertaining than these knuckleheads are at night. And it’s simply a matter of there’s more choices now than there ever was. And there’s better choices than there ever was. And people are making those choices. And the reality is they’re not watching TV. Not that kind of TV. And I’ve predicted this in the past. And a lot of you listening, you have done just what I’ve done. You’ve cut the cord. You’re no longer subscribing to a cable service or a satellite service or whatever. You’re doing things piecemeal, if you would. In fact, I was commenting on this with my wife a couple of days ago because I’ll be honest, this particular summer, I’m not exaggerating. I’ll bet you total, total this summer, I bet I haven’t watched four hours of total TV, and I’m not exaggerating. I just don’t watch it in the summertime. I’m doing other things. We’re out in the evenings. I’m doing other things. We’re outside. We’re enjoying the weather. I’m working out in my barn. Whatever the case may be, there’s other things I’m doing. And even when I come in the house and I kind of unwind from the total end of the day, I’m not turning on any television. In some cases, I just sit and relax, do nothing. and i i don’t think i’m the only one doing that is my point i think a lot of other people do the same thing and with the exception of the elderly you know and i’m when i say elderly i’m gonna say probably 75 and up that’s what i’m considering in this particular end of things and i say elderly i think the tv watching crowd 75 plus might be watching some of that late night stuff Outside of that, and that age group, by the way, is pretty flexible. It could even be higher than that. It might be a little lower than that. But I think mid-70s, you might be watching some of this television. Outside of that, I don’t think most do. Charlie, you haven’t watched any of that stuff. You’re like me. You haven’t watched it in a long time. So a lot of you listening to me right now, you’re in the same boat. You’re not watching it, viewing it either. So, again, that has to be true, or these numbers that I’m reading, all of them dropping. Jimmy Fallon, by the way, has had the biggest drop of all, and they just renewed his contract. I have no idea why, because frankly, he shouldn’t be on air. So you look at all of that and you’ve got to be if you’re an executive of these of these television companies, you’ve got to be in these networks. I should say you’ve got to be looking at the same man alive. If we don’t get some of this stuff turned around, we’re not going to be in existence because we can’t bleed this kind of money. It doesn’t matter who’s in the presidency. The watching habits of people are changing is what this really amounts to. more than anything. 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All right, we are back. I was just telling Charlie during the break as a couple of you texted in about you watching TV and your habits and so on, and I’ll be straight up honest. I have far more TVs than I have the ability to watch. Don’t watch even the little bit that I do watch I could do on one television set. And I’m at a point where I’ll not take them down because if I ever sell my house, they’ll just go with the house because I’m not taking a single TV with me, period. They can all just stay up and the next person that buys it can have it if, in fact, they want them. But I think the only reason in some cases I have them is just because it looks good in the room, but I never turn it on. And I don’t think… i’m the only american out there doing the same thing i think i am becoming very much a part of the same trend unless you’ve got maybe smaller kids or teenagers and they watch a lot of tv for whatever reasons i think as you get older this is just my own opinion and this is different than what it used to be but i think for me personally as i get older i find more and more things to do that aren’t tv related and i don’t think i’m the only one that way now i will say this that when i was younger As I would watch older people around me, they were TV addicts. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. They literally, the TV would be on from sunup to sundown. They’d get up in the morning, turn the TV on. It would be on all day long, no matter what they were doing. And they would turn it off and go to bed. And I kind of grew up with elderly people in my life that were that way. I think that trend is changing. That’s where I said a little bit ago that that 75 and up is probably still in that range where, and if you’re of that age, tell me whether you watch a lot of TV or not, because that’s how I’m kind of gauging it. Because I think a lot of people now, as they age, they’re determining that there’s other things I can do besides watch TV. Like I said, all of the other things that are out there that you can now, quote-unquote, get entertainment or learn from, you don’t have to watch television. It’s crazy because I think a lot of the people that are in that industry, the flat screen makers and so on, have probably thought that this was going to be a big boom as more and more people, especially younger people, grew up. There’d be more and more people watching TV, but actually – And I need to do a little bit of studying on this, but I think there’s less people overall watching TV now than there was a decade ago, probably even five years ago. Now, during COVID, kind of throw that out the window because – and that was five years ago. I think a lot of people watched TV during COVID because they didn’t do anything else. But now that that’s all gone and over and people are back being outside and enjoying things and so on, I just don’t think people are watching television anymore. Like they once were. So along those lines, I don’t know if I’ll get to all of these. If not, I’ll spread these out through the week. But 10 old school hobbies that boomers love. So boomers, of course, are from, what, 40? What is it, Charlie? 40 or 41 up until 64, I want to say. I think that’s the boomer. Is that boomers? I want to say somewhere in that neighborhood, roughly. Anyways, baby boomers. So old school hobbies that they loved that are now becoming cool again in 2025. And we talked about this actually on Friday. Andy and I did. Vinyl records. So the collecting of vinyl records is becoming popular again. A lot of folks out there have got now turntables. They can even plug that into their digital system that plays throughout the house or whatever. But collecting vinyl records. is becoming popular again. In fact, at one time in America, there was only one company making vinyl. There’s now several. So it was almost dead, and it revived again, and now there’s more and more people using vinyl. This one I was not aware of. And this is not me, nor will it ever be me. But knitting and crocheting, those are things that are coming back to life, I guess you could say. So knitting and crocheting, and I’m going to go ahead and put somebody on hold. Charlie stepped out for a moment, so I just put somebody on hold. We’ll try to squeeze you in here before the end of the hour, but Charlie had to step out for just one moment, so it might be a minute before he screens to get you back up. I’ll continue on. Bird watching, that’s something I do do. So birdwatching, and this is one that actually kind of surprised me because I didn’t think people really were into this much, but I guess it’s coming back. I sort of did some birdwatching and learned how from my grandfather, who was a big birdwatcher. He had all sorts of bird books and all sorts of things and always had the binoculars next to the window, and he had a bird feeder out in his backyard, and he would watch birds all of the time. It’s just what he did. And I learned a lot about certain birds from him as a youngster. And my wife and I kind of do the same thing. We have several bird feeders in the backyard, and we do watch birds and so on. And my favorite of all, of course, are bluebirds and hummingbirds. Those are my two favorite. Roller skating. Believe it or not, roller skating is making a return. And Charlie, if you want to get that call screened, I’ll do my best. I don’t have much more than about a minute, but I’ll try my best to get them in really quick. But roller skating is something that is actually coming back as well, which that one is another one that I did not realize. Who? Jim, go ahead, sir.
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Hey, man. Hey, you know you were talking about Johnny Carson and stuff like that? So I have Roku. Oh, yeah. And I don’t subscribe to anything really, but I have that because there’s a lot of channels on there that are free.
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Okay.
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There’s actually a Johnny Carson channel.
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Really?
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And so, yeah, you can go on there and you can watch… reruns and stuff, and each day they try to coordinate it with kind of the same time. Oh, I didn’t know that. Like in July or something like that, but it’ll be like 1985, 1975. Okay. It’s hilarious to watch those old ones. I did not know that. Like Burt Reynolds and all those people, stuff like that. But yeah, there’s several of those streaming channels that have a Johnny Carson… channel, and you can watch it. Me and my wife watch it all the time.
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It’s hilarious. You know what, Jim? I’m out of time, but I appreciate that. I will look that up. Thank you for that. That’s a great tip. I was not aware of that. Now, Jim just brought up something else really quick before we close out that I think is also affecting a lot of this late-night watching. what he just said. You’ve got so many other choices where even if you want to watch something like that, you go pick something that’s your favorite versus some knucklehead that’s just on TV bashing Trump all night long, which, by the way, gets old even if you’re on the left. The far left, yeah, that’s all they want. But everybody else, you don’t want to hear that stuff when you’re actually watching comedians. So, guys, that’s it for today. I appreciate all of your feedback, your input, your text messages. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We’ll be back tomorrow, same time, same place. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Thank you.
