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Join John Rush as he reflects on the life and legacy of Ozzy Osbourne, intertwined with a revealing narrative about the Colorado GOP’s controversial re-election meeting. This episode not only pays tribute to a music legend but also scrutinizes the protest-driven tactics that led to a night of prolonged delays and frustration. With lively discussions and thought-provoking commentary, Rush to Reason delivers another engaging afternoon of talk radio.
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All right, happy Tuesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and happy Tuesday. Happy Tuesday. Looks cooler out than it actually is. So those of you that are wondering, you know, what’s it really like outside, maybe you work in an area where you’re not really sure, you can’t see outside or whatever the case may be, 88 degrees and it’s still warm.
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I know. I’m looking out the window. It’s pouring out toward golden, it looks like, and yet 88 degrees.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. All right, question of the day. Yesterday, Charlie was very close because he said 20 months. What’s the average lifespan of a $1 bill? 18 months. Not very long.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
18 months. A dollar bill gets used up.
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Wow, I had no idea it was that quick.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I said that as kind of a hint for everybody yesterday that it’s a lot sooner, a lot shorter than probably most people would think.
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I should start ironing mine.
SPEAKER 15 :
I used to when I was a kid. Give them a little life? I’d wash them and then iron them. Did you really? Yeah, I was a weird kid. Strange kid. Yes, I know. I was a strange kid.
SPEAKER 06 :
Did you wear them?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I did not wear them. But I wanted them nice and crisp as a kid. I don’t know. I was weird. I know. Still am. I’m still weird. Today’s a possible question of the day. When squeezing and stretching an 11-pound lithium… ingot ingot ingot right ingot is that the right way to say that ingot either way ingot yeah into a six inch wide roll that is used in making lithium ion batteries how many feet of that six inch wide foil does that 111 pound make and that is from jersey joe answer that on the rush to reason facebook page joe does a lot of math stuff Joe’s very smart. Doesn’t he know I’m not smart? Joe’s way smarter than I am. Yes, he is. We’re going to do this because Andy’s got a lot to talk about in regards to last night’s SCC GOP. So the Colorado GOP had a meeting last night to re-elect or, yeah, re-elect because we had one resign. The vice chair, I guess you could say, not co-chair, but vice chair resigned. Yeah, we elected a new vice chair. Had to be a re-election last night for the vice chair. And Andy’s going to give us a rundown on that. I read a lot of things about it today, and I’m curious as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, I’ll just say one thing as just a little hook. There was a group of people who did everything they could to make sure we didn’t vote on a vice chair.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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Yes, and Charlie playing a little bit of Ozzy Osbourne during this first hour. If you’re listening again at 6 o’clock, you’ll know why. He passed away today at age 76. And a few of you asked if we were going to play a few of his songs. songs we won’t play all of them but we may have a couple of intros here or there through this hour and i i’ll be straight up honest with you guys i know a few of his songs but i was never a huge you know like ozzy osbourne you know groupie follower whatever so i’m sorry i just don’t know that many of his songs
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I was never a fan, but he became more of a TV kind of personality.
SPEAKER 15 :
One thing you could always tell… Can I talk like him?
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. One thing you could always tell about Ozzy, though, especially over the last couple decades, he did not take himself seriously.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
At all. The guy was there to have fun and to bring fun to his fans. That’s right. That’s what he was there for.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. So, anyways, Ozzy passed away age 76, so you’ll hear a little bit of that intertwined into this first hour of today’s program. All right, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because I saw a lot of this on social media. I watched a little bit of it late last night because I knew the meeting was going on. You watched some of this? Or not watched, but watched some of the postings that were going on about it, kind of getting a feel for what was going to happen. And I saw the announcements early this morning. And there is a new co-chair, vice chair, I should say, of the Colorado GOP. But walk us through what happened last night.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. My goodness. I’ll put it that way, John. I have never been in a meeting like this in my life.
SPEAKER 15 :
A virtual meeting, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, virtual meeting, Zoom meeting, which, by the way, is wonderful. The people who complain about them are wrong. They’re easy to run. They make everything incredibly easy. The only thing that makes it difficult is them. And I’ll get to that here now. Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I want to add something to what you just said because I think you just said something very accurately. And what I mean by that is I was reading some things today where some people were like, you know, some people went through more credentialing than others. Well, yeah, duh. For example, if I was running a Zoom meeting, And I had, you know, 25 different participants, but I knew some of them extremely well, i.e. Andy. Would I have to spend a lot of time identifying who Andy is? No, because I know who Andy is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you’re pretty forgetful.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean… You get where I’m going with this, Andy?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I get where you’re going.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, some people are just – they’ve got – you talk to them enough. You have enough interaction with them where you just know this is who this is.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, when I was in the room online, they were just asking, okay, your name, and the person would put their ID up by – and show their ID on the screen. Okay, next. And mine came. I put it up on the screen. That’s all it was. You had a number of people – who protested because they didn’t want to put their IDs up on the screen. But what they really were doing was just protesting the entire thing. I see. They were there. This was a completely organized protest. Let me just jump right into it. Mark Hampton’s Davidian troops, the Rhino Watchers, the Davidians, Dave Williams, he was there too. They did the online equivalent.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, and really quick, explain why was he there?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, he’s a member.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so he’s a member of the committee.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the state central committee. If I say SCC, now you know what I mean.
SPEAKER 15 :
Just want to make sure everybody’s on the same page.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and there’s actually over 500 members. In a vote, you’re going to be able to get basically just over 400, which is what we had. Okay. They did the online equivalent of Rules for Radicals and Antifa blocking bridges. I kept saying, we quit blocking the bridges. They were enraged. They were out of control. They were complaining about everything, and I’m going to break it down right now. And here’s the nice thing. I get it. And point by point, you feel free to jump in anywhere you want. Perfect.
SPEAKER 15 :
OK, first of all, because I wasn’t for all of you that are listening. I was not involved in any of this. This is all I’m hearing some of this for the first time.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you’re a relatively happy person today.
SPEAKER 15 :
True.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, this is like me coming out of a really bad movie, you know, a half star. And you’ve seen me those days, right? I’m miserable. I’m not in a good mood. It was a rough night. Here we go. About 95% of the comment time was all Davidians. I’m not exaggerating. About 95%. And they were protesting every element they could possibly imagine in hopes of delay, delay, delay. They came in. This was a pre-planned strategy. Their entire goal was to shut down the meeting. Now, you’ve got to keep in mind, take a step back. There are hundreds of people there who are there to cast a vote. This whole meeting should have taken 20, 30 minutes tops.
SPEAKER 15 :
Most, yeah. Credential vote, move on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Well, the credentialing started at 5. But then you could, you know, Corey and I, we had dinner. Then you come back at 7.30. The meeting starts at 7.30. Got it. All right. Newsflash, we got out after 10. I’ll get to why here in a moment. Now, they complained over and over about the Zoom meeting, that it was a Zoom meeting, and they protested that. They protested the credentialing and said, oh, it’s wrong, it’s unfair. There was nothing unfair about the credentialing. Nobody is going to use your ID anymore. online. You have to show your ID everywhere you go for crying out loud. We require an ID for people to vote and they’re worried about their ID being shown. I mean, I’m not kidding.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. They forced completely needless vote after needless vote after needless vote. They kept challenging the numbers. This is great. They demanded we hear exact vote counts, not just percentages. And they protested that. Think about that for a moment. You have to have the exact numbers instead of just the percentages. This is 62. That’s 38. You know. Nope. They have to have the exact… And the guy who was doing the tech side of it was very… He had the patience of Job.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. And he’s like, okay. And he did whatever they wanted. It was just ludicrous. They demanded proof the numbers were honest. But… They’re honest. Okay. Everything was on the up and up. There was nothing being done to them. And the entire meeting, they were acting like they were being oppressed. Did you ever see the Monty Python skit? Stop oppressing me. Stop oppressing me. And the guy is like, I’m not doing anything to you. Well, it was just like that. Okay. Next. They demanded the rules be read start to finish. Think about that. Even though the rules were the same as those that were approved in meetings prior. Now, good question. Why? Right? So I asked some of them what rules concerned them. They went silent, each one, when I asked them that. And then they resumed protesting. They were only there to protest and to block the bridge. Okay. I mean, you’ve seen these protesters, the ICE protesters, blocking the bridge. That’s what they were doing. Weston Imer, I’m going to mention him. He holds up this childish point of order, point of order post it over his camera for endless periods of time demanding to be heard over and over. I’m like, what are you five? And it was incredible. He belonged in the streets of Portland. And his mom was just as bad. But I’m not singling out those two. Their whole side was. It was ludicrous. It’s just that the point of order thing, it’s hard to forget that because he just held it there. I mean, it would be 20 minutes. He would hold that because I want to speak again. It’s just like, holy crap. All you’ve done is speak. Next, Mark Hampton, when he had to do a speech, right, because he was running for vice chair, yeah, against Richard Holtorf. He actually insulted Gabe Evans. That’s our CD8 rep who he’s supposed to serve. You know, the guy who won for us. He insulted him in his campaign speech. It was unbelievable. Christy Burton Brown called him out in the chat. Then they demanded we postpone the meeting that they had hijacked. Keep in mind, this whole meeting could have been done in 20, 30 minutes. They’re dragging it out for hours, and then they say, we need to postpone this. We need to postpone this. This isn’t ready. Everything was perfect. There was nothing wrong. We just wanted to vote, but these crazies wouldn’t let us cross the bridge. When Brita finally had to make the vote happen, they threw fits like protesters being carried off by ice. You should have seen the comments. Oh, my gosh. You know, all the same people, the Hugos and Rays and all the same people. You would think… that they were being sent to a concentration camp. They were just so melodramatic, it was unbelievable. They ranted in the chat like unhinged maniacs. Okay, here’s the kicker. After they had caused 95% of the delay, well, actually all the delays, all right, they then complained about the meeting going too long. Seriously. No, no, no. And then it was too long, so we need to shut it down. These protesters had caused all the delays.
SPEAKER 15 :
So they caused all the turmoil and complained about how long it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. So let’s say that you get together with somebody for dinner. They talk for three hours straight and then complain this is taking too long.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’ve had church meetings like that before. I know. I know. I understand that fully.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve been, well, I’ve been in some doozies of meetings in churches and business and in the military and everywhere. I’ve never been in a meeting like this. Dave Williams, he complained, well, we’re still here at 953 and we’ll go past 10. After all, it was him and his supporters causing all the delays. Pirulinski style, you know, blame them for what you’re doing tactics.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Let me bring this home. This all brought back terrible memories of what it’s like to be led by protesters because that is what we had for two years. All right? When these rhino watchers ran the party for two years, everything they pushed was protest. Now, I want you to think about this. They protested 2020. They used the entire party to protest. Mm-hmm. They turned us into a protest machine. They protested 2020. They protested open primaries. They protested Dominion. They protested Zoom meetings. They even did it then. Let’s see here. They endorsed and contested primaries, never done before, and then protested when 14 of their 18 candidates got smoked. They protested our own Republican candidates. Remember that? They did that for months. Dave told us to burn pride flags. Hope insisted she was being stalked and threatened by someone she never proved existed. Okay. John, that’s what it’s like to be led by protesters, not leaders, under their protest leadership. At the end of it all, remember, we lost 60% of Trump’s national red wave here in Colorado. That’s the results. Everything that you teach on leadership every week, they did the opposite. And last night, it all came rushing back. as all they did was any way that they could stall, and I’ll tell you what, they proposed, I can’t tell you how many dozens of times, to shut the meeting down, stop the meeting, stop the vote, no vote. Their entire goal was to make sure we were only there to hold a vote on vice chair. Their entire goal was to stop the vote on vice chair. And so you’ve got hundreds of people who are there, and this group, This group, the Davidians, kept those hundreds of people for something that should have taken 20, 30 minutes. It was over two and a half hours.
SPEAKER 15 :
And why did they want to postpone? What do you think their goal is there? I don’t know. Here’s what.
SPEAKER 06 :
As you know right now, not Kristi Noem, I’m sorry, the other one, Tulsi Gabbard has come out with how the Obama- Right, interfered with the Russian- Administration. Yeah, but why did they do it? Because they wanted to throw sand in the gears of Trump’s first four years in office. Everything they are doing, and the reason they wanted Mark Hampton to be vice chair-
SPEAKER 15 :
Was to do the same thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Was only to throw sand in the gears of Britta Horn being the chair for two years. Their only goal is to make it so she can’t succeed at anything. That’s their only goal. It’s all protest.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because then they can come back and say, see, we told you so. See, we told you so. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. We made it happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
But we told you so.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. But… But, John, at the end of it, by the way, if anybody doesn’t believe me, you can watch this on YouTube. You can watch this, okay?
SPEAKER 15 :
Which, really quick, Andy, that goes along the lines, and I have actually dismissed employees throughout my career for this reason.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
Individuals that would rather watch somebody fail or even participate in their failure rather than helping them succeed, which there are certain personalities that just love that, those people won’t work for me.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
I won’t allow them to.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, those people shouldn’t work anywhere.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because all they do is bring down an organization. Right. Right? Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
And this is all they wanted to do. What the Obama administration did when they did the Russian collusion hoax, and they used all kinds of powerful levers and people in positions of authority. And by the way, this is really scary here. Here in Colorado, these crazies are almost half of the state central committee, John.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Not quite, but close.
SPEAKER 06 :
But almost half.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
They lost the vote 52 to 48 percent. Richard Holthorff defeated. What’s his name? Mark Hampton. OK, so Holthorff is going to be our vice chair. So the vice chair will not be opposed to the chair. The vice chair will not be there. No, in fact, this and Hampton only wanted to be here as he wanted to be a political terrorist in the party. That was his only goal was to throw sand in the works and make it hard for her to do anything. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there’s some things – and I want to set the record straight, and this is – I’m not Richard’s friend. I mean, we’ve talked to each other here and there. We’ve done a couple of interviews over the years with his political career and so on. And outside of that, that’s all I know of Richard. I have no skin in the game in this whatsoever. Right. I have read a lot of the different articles and things that have come out against Richard. And some of these have been made public on like Nine News and places like that. In fact, even some of today’s news basically says something to the effect of, you know, your new I’m paraphrasing here, but your new conservative, quote unquote, Colorado GOP vice chair, you know, believes in abortions and paying for them. And let me set the record straight on all of this. Richard has been very upfront about when he was young. In his late teens, early 20s, he had a girlfriend. She got pregnant. They made some decisions that I’m sure today he wishes he could go back and remake those decisions. Keep in mind, this is probably, Andy, 30-plus years ago or more. It is. Richard’s my age. Right. He was a kid. He’s a kid. Look.
SPEAKER 06 :
I was dumb when I was young. You were dumb when you were young. Everybody was dumb when they were young.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m not giving anybody a pass. But no, to torture. Let me explain. To torture Richard along those lines would be no different than torturing a young lady that made a decision to have an abortion that now in her 50s and 60s says, man alive, I’ve made a huge mistake. I wish I’d never done that. It’s been one of the worst things I’ve ever had to live with in my life. We don’t torture the women. So why do we torture the men then, Andy? Shouldn’t torture either. There’s a little thing called grace. You ever heard of that? That side doesn’t know it, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Look, I’ve made dumb decisions. We all have. Okay. I haven’t done that, but, you know, there you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, but we’ve all made things in the past, decisions in the past, Andy, that we wish we hadn’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. We’ve all done things in the past we wish we hadn’t. Here’s another thing they were doing, by the way. In the chat… In the chat, they were lying flat out about him. So you had, and I won’t give any more names. I’m sorry, I could, but I won’t. But you had them saying that he wants tax-funded abortions. No, he doesn’t.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s never said any. And again, I don’t know him, but I can defend that because I’ve watched what he said and I’ve interviewed him.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you had them saying that he opposes Trump, he’s anti-Trump, he’s never Trump, all this kind of stuff, because they were throwing every lie they could to get those people, And and there were this one nice lady. She was asking, he’s against Trump. And she didn’t know. She’s just asking. I said, no, he supports Trump and he’s pro-life. And she’s like, oh, OK, because they’re trying to get any single vote they possibly can in the margin through any lie they can tell. No conscience whatsoever. They had no conscience.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was incredible.
SPEAKER 15 :
You could see that on the front side, Andy, before even the vote last night, some of the, quote unquote, campaigning that was going on. Oh, you could see through the, you know, the smoke and mirrors that a lot of this was going on. And I’m just like, well, you people will not stop, will you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Bottom line, John, I was horrified by what I saw last night. What we saw last night was the equivalent of online Antifa protesters taking over a bridge and having to be carried off screaming by the cops.
SPEAKER 15 :
But Andy, you’re just establishment.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m establishment.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re just a rhino, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and every time they say that, I say, oh, really? No problem. Can you list my non-Republican beliefs? Can you list my non-conservative beliefs?
SPEAKER 15 :
My rhino beliefs.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they run every time.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they’re not there, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they’re name-calling. But here’s the thing, John. What does it mean when nearly half the state central committee of our party is devotees? I’m not going to say they’re all like this, but they are devotees to a group of people who have no conscience. That’s scary.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I have an answer for that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’ll talk about that as soon as we come back. Because I talked about this a little bit last week, and I said I would get into more detail with this with Andy on Tuesday, and we will. And I’ve titled this next segment, to answer Andy’s question, I’m glad he asked that, because I’ve titled this next segment, Bad Brains. Bad brains. So we’ll get into that here in just one moment. Veteran Windows and Doors is next. And there may be an Energy Star rating change coming first of the year that would affect your ability to buy correct windows and doors for your home. Find out from Dave today how that works and what you need to do instead. Find him at klzradio.com.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason. I am Iron Man.
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably the only time you’ll hear us play Ozzy Osbourne is today in honor of his passing. Again, I was never a huge Ozzy follower. Hey, he was very popular. Yeah, he was very popular. So… Bad brains. So Andy was asking me earlier, you know, why do they act this way? Why do they behave this way? And I talked a little bit about this last week. Didn’t get into huge detail. I think I talked about it enough where some of you could gather what I was talking about. But I wanted to get into this in more detail today because I just felt like it was – when I read this, and this is – I think I said this last week also. This is an article from Slate, which is a huge conservative publication, by the way. Actually, it’s not. It’s about as far left as you can get.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Way out wacko left. Slate is way left. But this article that they came up with called Bad Brains – I stole it because it fits with what we’re talking about. And it talks about how your brain on revenge – this whole article is about your brain on revenge looks a lot like your brain on drugs. And there’s only one twisted way to get your fix. So I’ll summarize this whole article. Essentially what it talks about is people that are so dead set on revenge. Their brain, through brain mapping and all these different studies that they’ve done, basically shows the same thing as if you were addicted to drugs. In other words, you are so dead set on revenge, you can’t think straight. That’s essentially what this article is talking about. And it goes on to talk about how the only fix for this is forgiveness. Right. Amazing how scriptural slate has become in all of this, because the Bible is very much on, you know, teaches about all of what we’re talking about here, Andy. You know, God himself is very instructive in this area. It’s why he says revenge is mine, basically, not for you to worry about. I’ll handle it. Right. Because God knows in your brain, when you’re so addicted to revenge, you won’t think straight. So what he’s really saying is, let me handle this. Give that to me. I’ll make sure everything works out in the end. Not for you to worry about. You go about your business and I’ll handle the rest. But when people get so addicted to revenge, they can’t think straight. And again, the only fix is for you to forgive those others in your own brain and your own heart, because that’s the only cure for it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Well, it was really interesting because he sets it up very well. He gives a story about a guy with a dog. That’s right. And somebody else does something horrible to his dog. Hey, John Wick, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Only worse in this case.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. It was worse. And so he sets this up. He sets up a terrible person who has done something unthinkably bad to you.
SPEAKER 15 :
That you would want to be revengeful to.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And then, basically, he asked a bunch of people, he polled a bunch of people, how would you feel about this? And, of course, they want the guy dead. And you would understand if you heard the story. And so, then he says that the only thing that can break that is forgiveness. You have to turn around and forgive that person. Now, by the way, at no point did he say… condone what they’ve done. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That’s not what he said. Condoning and forgiving are two different things. A lot of people, a lot of people see forgiving as condoning and they say, I got to hold onto my hate because that’s the only way that they will at least have someone who still sees them the way they need to be seen. Okay. And now what was really interesting in this, obviously it’s slate. Okay. Um, What they didn’t understand is they were basically paraphrasing the Bible. Exactly. This is right out of Luke 15. Exactly. It’s the story of the lost son. Right. Okay, so Jesus talks about the lost son. I won’t go through it all, but basically he’s got two sons, right? And those two sons are each going to get half of what he has as their inheritance. And one of the sons says, hey, I want everything I have now.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I’m going to go. I want it on the front side. I want it on the front side.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not the back side. Yeah, yeah. On the front side, not the back side. And he describes this kid as everything that would have been horrifying in Jewish culture. First of all, you don’t go to your dad and demand it now before your dad’s dead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Secondly, he goes off, spends it all. So you’re wasting all the money. You don’t do that. Next, it’s all in ways of the world. Wine, women, song, the whole thing. Right. Then he churns and is, because he’s so hungry and he’s given up everything.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s eating with the pigs. He’s eating with the pigs who, of course, in Jewish culture, was the worst of the worst.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the pigs are the worst of the worst. And here he longed to eat what the pigs were given. Okay, finally he comes home.
SPEAKER 15 :
He realizes that, wait a minute, my servants, my dad’s servants eat better than I am right now. Why don’t I just go home and be one of those? Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m a son of the father and his servants eat better than me. So he decides to come home. Now, here’s what’s really interesting and what a lot of people miss. The Bible says, Jesus says, while he was still a long ways off.
SPEAKER 15 :
The Father saw him.
SPEAKER 06 :
The Father saw him and ran to him. In other words, the Father didn’t sit there waiting, tapping his foot until he came up and groveled at his feet.
SPEAKER 15 :
And lecturing him for the next hour about all the things he did wrong.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And by the way, what does the Church do when somebody goes astray? When somebody does something wrong, and it can be some huge thing, you know, stealing or sexual sin or whatever, or it could just be a little thing, right? You say the wrong thing during a church meeting, right? And you offend some people or whatever. The church… wants you to go through steps to prove that you will not do that again and you will be safe around them. And they want you to earn your way back into their good graces. And they say they’re doing it to protect the church for the good of the body of Christ, of course. You know, they use all the rhetoric, but a lot of people get good at using rhetoric to cover what? Revenge. We’re getting back to what you’re saying, revenge. Now… Why is this all important? The other son. The other son, of course, the father sees him a long ways off, sees him and showers him and all kinds of good things and throws a party for him. Big shindig. Right, big shindig. And the other son, of course, is… He’s now ticked. He’s very upset. He says, Dad, I’ve done nothing. I’ve been loyal. I’ve been loyal. I’ve done nothing but serve you all the way around, and he comes home and you throw him a party. You’ve never killed the fatted calf and thrown a party for me like this. Right. As dad, in so many words, said, I didn’t need to. You’re with me all along. He was lost, and now he’s come home. Let’s celebrate that. Okay, here’s the whole point of it. It is not, at no point did the dad look at what the son did and say, none of that was bad. At no point did he condone any of the stupidity of what this kid did. What he did was recognize that every person is more valuable than their faults. Right. And this kid is more valuable to me.
SPEAKER 15 :
And in turn, dad forgave son and didn’t have that vengeful spirit and so on. And going back to this whole article about Slate, which, by the way, really quick, I want to mention this, too, that this study that Slate mentions here was over 20 years, two decades, 60 neuroscientists. So think about this, folks. Left always talks about trust the science, trust the science, trust the science. Right, right. Okay, well, in this case, Slate is proving the Bible true in the words of, because they went over two decades with 60 neuroscientists proving what the Scripture says.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. By the way, they spent an awful lot of money where all they had to do was read Luke 15. It’s free.
SPEAKER 15 :
Actually, the majority of the Bible follows this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Luke 15 is free.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, not just that passage. There’s many, many others. The Bible’s full of this, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, tons of them. I’m just saying.
SPEAKER 15 :
You picked one out.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is the classic.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, this is just the classic, right? I mean… Folks, it’s easy. And by the way, is forgiveness easy? No, I understand why it isn’t. No, it is not. Because they have hurt you. They have wronged you.
SPEAKER 15 :
So my point with why do these others act the way they do? Why do the Davidians, and those of you that are listening, which there’s some of you are out there that are listening, trust me. Here’s what you need to do. Back up. Really evaluate why do you feel the way you do against the rest of the party, by the way? Why do you feel so wronged, by the way, to the point where you’re so revengeful now that, frankly, you can’t think straight? And I’m using those words carefully because you can’t think straight, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
That meeting last night, John, was all vengeance. It was all protest and vengeance. There was no desire to lift anything up. There was only desire to tear down those who had defeated them in an election. And look, we all get this way. I felt this way. I understand that. All right. I get very bitter at them. I’ve seen them do so many terrible things, and I’m just like, oh, man, I want them to get theirs, you know? But one last scripture, 70 times 7. You know, Lord, how many times do I have to forgive my brother who wrongs me? As many as 7 times? Oh, no, not 7.
SPEAKER 15 :
70 times 7, which means… Meaning forever. Forever.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it doesn’t mean… Never stop. When you hit 491, you’re okay, finally.
SPEAKER 15 :
Never stop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And it is just… Here’s the big difference, folks. Your pain is real. What they’ve done to you is wrong, okay? And what I’ve done to people, we’ve all done wrong things, okay? and what they did last night was wrong. It was very wrong. Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I want to add something before Andy continues on, because as I read through what a lot of these different people post, Mark Hampton, who was one of the candidates, I happen to follow Mark on Facebook, and I read a lot of things that he says, and I’ll just tell you straight up. He has to be… One of the, if not the, most vindictive, vengeful people I’ve ever seen just by the words that he writes. I can’t imagine what he’s like in real life because the words that he writes are so vengeful. I wouldn’t want him in charge of anything.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mark is, he comes off, at least, I don’t know him personally, but he comes off as pure vengeance.
SPEAKER 15 :
Anger, total anger all the time. Yes. Sorry, you just look at his eyes and it’s just total anger all the time.
SPEAKER 06 :
But think of the times, John, when you felt when you wanted revenge badly for what somebody had done. And you were probably right. They probably had done this terrible thing. Didn’t that vengeance hold you? Weren’t you in a trap? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, here’s what forgiveness is really quick here. Guys, it’s not saying what you did is no big deal and it wasn’t wrong. No, no, no, we’re not saying that, Andy. No, we’re not saying that. No, no, it’s not becoming stupid. What it is is this. It’s recognizing their importance versus what they’ve done. There is nothing that any person can do to me that can be greater than their importance in the eyes of their creator. even if they’ve totally walked away from their creator.
SPEAKER 15 :
And the point of this article that I wanted to, again, go over today, after I said things last week along these lines, is to remember that now, scientifically, the very leftist organization Slate went through and figured out all of the things that Andy and I are talking about and what Scripture talks about. They have proven scientifically that being vengeful, having that revenge in your mind, on your heart, at all times, will destroy you. Just like drugs do.
SPEAKER 06 :
They have proven vengeance is mine, says the Lord. It’s not our thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. And they go on. Here’s an exact quote from this article. Forgiveness is a form of self-healing that benefits victims, not perpetrators. In other words, you’re the one that has been wronged. You are the one that you’re healing, not them, and you can do it without being forced to accept or endorse what happened to you, and while you’re preserving your right to defend yourself from present or future threats. Right. This is their words, guys, not mine or Andy’s. This is what Slate just said.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and let me end it with this with last night. Do I hate the people who did this last night? Because they want to be hated with a lot of what they say. And they were attacking me and mocking me and all that kind of stuff. Unprovoked. I wasn’t calling out any of their names. No, I don’t. Have I at times hated people who did things like that in my life? Yes, I did. And I wasn’t better for it.
SPEAKER 15 :
We never are.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
We never are. I mean, again, this article, again, I have to remind everybody, this article isn’t coming from a Christian organization. It is coming from about as far opposite of a Christian organization as you, Andy, will probably ever find. Am I right in saying that? Yeah, but they get it. And yet they’re getting what we as Christians, by the way, Christians, all of us, should be proposing on a daily basis, including those that were in this meeting last night trying to disrupt it, who, by the way, the majority of will call themselves evangelical Christians. Am I right? Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
They will refer to themselves as hardcore devout Christians, and they were running on rage and running on vengeance. Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
You all that are listening, please pass that Slate article along. If you want to direct a link to it, I’ll be happy to send that to you. But you all should be reading the very thing Andy and I just talked about because you claim to be that side of the aisle that should know this like the back of your hand.
SPEAKER 06 :
When we come back, can we apply that now for us, for people we know?
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SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Pate, listening to Ozzy Osbourne as we hail him after he has passed away. Passed away today. At the age of, what was it, 76? Somebody said online, you know, okay, does Ozzy go to heaven or hell? And I answered, he goes, like every other man, he goes where his wife tells him to go.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, that’s true, too. But yeah, not to me.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then I said, ask God. Yeah, I have no clue. Okay, God will know. Okay. Really quick here, folks, just to sum up, we’ve been talking about revenge, and I’m just going to say, just like the article says, they proved it scientifically, but we knew this as Bible-believing Christians.
SPEAKER 15 :
Spiritually, we’ve known this for years, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, revenge is a drug. It is addictive. I’ve been addicted to revenge. We all have. We have had bad things happen to us, and it gets to where you find yourself only being able to talk about that one thing. You fixate on it. We’ll be talking in the next hour about Tucker Carlson. He fixates on Israel. Oh, but I don’t hate you. But you fixate on it, and people can tell. Or people can tell you fixate on that ex-wife. You’ve heard that, or ex-husband.
SPEAKER 15 :
Ex-business partner, ex-this, ex-that. Somebody that’s wronged you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that person at work who, oh, thank goodness they got fired and all this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Or they’re the reason I lost my job.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. They’re the reason. And by the way, you’re probably right. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Could be.
SPEAKER 06 :
Most of the time, not always. A lot of what was going on last night was imagined vengefulness. It was crazy. And that’s why I talked about it.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re mad because they lost. They lost the power, Andy. That’s what they’re really the maddest about. And they lost it again last night.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I had to describe what happened last night mostly because of the entertainment value. Am I right, though?
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, they were mad because they lost the last go-around. Right. And they’re mad once again because they’ve lost this time. So now it’s twice in a row.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, and it’s just like the Obama administration. Look, they committed a complete hoax with Russian collusion, which, by the way, I think some people will get busted for that. Not Obama, but I think some people will.
SPEAKER 15 :
Some underlings might.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, some underlings. But, folks, that was huge, wide-ranging. They spent tens of millions of dollars on it all to get even because they were mad, because they were hurtful. And so what I kind of wanted to ask you, we’ve got just a couple minutes left here. What do you do, John? Somebody really has hurt you. I don’t want to tell people just act like it didn’t happen. That’s naivete. What do you do?
SPEAKER 15 :
I think me personally, and this has come later in life, because I wasn’t always this way.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I was a hothead.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’ll be the first to admit that, yeah, I could fly off the handle and was not always this way. So what I have learned through the years is there’s this old saying, what goes around comes around. So while we still need to be attentive, and you did this once, I’m not going to allow it twice. By the way, which I’m all for, there’s nothing wrong with having your guard up, nothing wrong with that at all.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’ve got to have boundaries.
SPEAKER 15 :
You can’t allow them to re-victimize. Yeah, there’s nothing at all wrong with that, nor is there anything in Scripture that says you shouldn’t do those things. Right. Nothing about that. But— It’s okay to say, you know what? I’m going to be better than them. I’m going to take the high road. I’m not going to be them. And I’m not going to let revenge rule my life.
SPEAKER 06 :
And basically, you know what I do? And it’s hard. I look at them and I say, I’m going to accept that they are more important than they understand. They’ve lowered themselves to a level, but God made them for more, and I hope they understand that one day.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And I hope I do with me. Absolutely. That’s a great way to look at it, Andy. I mean, ultimately, I guess for me, I just look at it and say, you know, they will have to give an account for all the things that they are doing now as well. True. I will not have to give an account for them. So at the end of the day, I’ll let God sort it all out, and I’m just going to be me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Vengeance is his.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m going to go do my thing. Sounds good. You know, I’m going to do me, I guess, is ultimately at the end of the day. I’m going to do me. They can do them. Now, my advice, and I said this earlier and I’ll say it again, to all of you that are on that side that lost last night, because, yeah, I know there’s some of you listening. Guaranteed. I know for a fact some of you are listening.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
The reality is you really need to go. You need a check, quote, unquote. you need a check as to what’s in your spirit what’s in your heart why are you really as revengeful as you actually are you know what’s really happened to harm you as much and i get it you’re going to come back and say well because you know all of those establishment guys and all those rhinos you know they have ruined the party and they’ve made it so we can’t ever win another election and it’s never going to happen again if we keep those same people in power Colorado, because I’ve seen the post, Colorado’s done for. We’ll never move forward. Actually, folks, no. In fact, what you really have to look at is, is what I’m doing, you that are the quote unquote protesting activist side that Andy talked about early, is what you’re doing attracting those in the middle or is it repelling them? I want each one of you to ask yourself that question. Are you repelling the independence or are you attracting independence? And I’ll tell you right now, the majority of you and your activism and protestism is not attracting those in the middle. It’s repelling them. Right. Am I right, Andy? Oh, yes. People are not going to follow you to the polls and vote the way you want them to because you demand it.
SPEAKER 06 :
If you demand your priorities, will those outside the base be motivated to join you?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, Andy, they’re repelled. They run the other way. It’s like, and I’ve always compared it this way, but I mean this. It’s like that old Bible thumper. We call them that for a reason, because they’d go knock on someone’s door. Thursday night visitation for a lot of churches, by the way, because they knew people were home on Thursday nights. They’d knock on the door, and the first thing they’d say is, Andy, if you died tonight, you know where you’re going. Not, hey, how’s your day? Not building any kind of relationship. Nothing along those lines, but strictly, hey, Andy, here’s my Bible. If you died tonight, do you know where you’re going? I’m going to thump you over the head with this thing. Right. Boy, that makes it attractive. I sure want to be a Christian. You don’t attract anybody doing that, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t want to hear about my eternal life from someone who clearly doesn’t love me. No. Okay? Who sees me as a target. Who only sees me as a pawn, as a number that they want to gain for their cause. Okay? Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s an old saying that John Maxwell and the leadership thing. I’ll end with this before we go to break, which, by the way, all of you that are protesting should listen to this. John Maxwell has always said, and I’ve really taken heart to this over the years because I think he’s one of the best spiritual and business leaders that’s out there, by the way. People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
In other words, they’re not going to listen to you until they know you care about them. I’ll leave it at that. We’ll come back. Hour 2 and 3 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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