Join John Rush and Andy Pate as they unravel the subtle nuances of talk radio and its powerful influence on American politics. Discover how hosts navigate complex political landscapes while maintaining their core principles. This episode examines the strategic maneuvers used by media personalities to engage listeners and shape public opinion, addressing the challenges they face in maintaining relevance and credibility. From Glenn Beck’s journey of transformation to the sharp debates by Charlie Kirk, John Rush breaks down the barriers that hosts overcome to keep their shows impactful and thought-provoking.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. A couple of shows, by the way, that we didn’t mention during the last hour where I have a lot of respect for these individuals. I think they are spot, again, they’re another one of these where they’re, you know, in my world, and probably Andy is the same, 90, 95% of the time we’re going to agree there may be just some small things here or there that, you know, we may not agree on. That would be Dana Lashley, by the way, follows me up at 7 o’clock here on KLZ. I think she’s really spot on. I’m not saying that just because she’s a part of what we do. I just think she’s that way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
In general.
SPEAKER 08 :
I have long had a lot of respect for Dana Lash. I love her perspective. I like her delivery. I like Dana Lash. She’s really good.
SPEAKER 03 :
Clay and Buck are the other ones, which we didn’t mention last hour, that I really know. They stepped into Rush’s spot, Rush Limbaugh, and have, by the way, done an – I don’t know if the network knew they would be as good as they were, but as they can, again, there were a few trial and errors with some different people and so on, but they ended up landing on those two. And I’ll just tell you straight up that, again, there’s very few things that with those two I disagree on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Clay and Buck, to me, are hands down the best show in the country.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I don’t think they get enough credit for that, by the way, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I don’t. And I think they should get more. I think that they are hands down the best show in the country. I think another show that is surprisingly good at times is Jesse Kelly. That one I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know why. I don’t know that one. He’s different times at different places around the country. But also we have to come back to Glenn Beck.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 08 :
Glenn Beck, he and his partner, now Glenn has obviously gotten a little more, you know, gotten a lot older, but he’s got a partner who does a lot of delivery with him. And when they are together in the studio, the interplay between them, the ping pong, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, back and forth. Very good. I think Glenn has a much better show than he had actually a decade ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because a decade ago, frankly, folks, there were so many things that Glenn got off on conspiratorial-wise, and he was really big on, because he’s a Mormon, he was really big on, at one point in time, Romney was going to win because it was God’s chosen one, and this, that, and the other, and he just got off on the deep end on some of that stuff. And really, I hate to say this, Andy, but I think he lost his way for a while.
SPEAKER 08 :
He did. And Glenn Beck, we have to keep in mind, remember Acorn, the group Acorn? He outed them. And boy, did he do it well. He burned them to the ground. He was the one who really early on told everybody, buy gold. And he was dead right. Glenn Beck has been so right on a lot of things. Then he went off, like you said, into the weirdness wilderness for a while and, you know, and started fixating on these things. And maybe, who knows, maybe Tucker will calm down and come back because I think Tucker is as gifted as Clay and Buck. I think in just in terms of giftedness. in his delivery, I think he’s there with Klan Buck. I don’t think he can catch up with them again.
SPEAKER 03 :
They have lapped the field. By the way, I agree with you. That old saying, never say never, so you can never say that things can’t ever turn around. Although I hate to say this, I think Tucker is going to suffer from – Hear me out here. Okay. Tucker is going to suffer from some of the same things that even Donald Trump suffers from at times, and that is too many of his fans feeding into the things that he’s doing. He only listens to them and not some of the negatives that are out there, in turn feeling like, well, I’m just feeding my fan base, meaning I don’t know that he’s got any choice, and I don’t think he can go the other direction, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and John, I think that’s true of a lot of them when you look at Ben Shapiro on trade. Okay? Because I understand that people who want to be free trader, free trader, free trader. I am a free trader, but it’s not free trade if somebody’s charging you 100% on tariffs and you’re not charging anything. It’s not free trade.
SPEAKER 03 :
Especially when you’re the biggest buyer.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, and you’re the biggest buyer. You have to look at this new paradigm of, look, we have to take advantage of our buying power. We have to take advantage of our leverage, and we have a president for the first time in generations who is doing that, and you can’t sit back and say, no, all tariffs are wrong. I’m sorry, but it’s provably false.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re proving my point, Andy, on even a lot of these talk show hosts like Ben. The difference between those two… Trump’s ran businesses, understands everything that we’re talking about along those lines, has written many a payroll check. And no offense, Ben hasn’t. And all of you are going to say, well, they all run their own little media companies and they all kind of are. Folks, trust me. It is not the same as what Donald Trump has done in regards to being a buyer of and building things and so on. Even what I’ve done over the course of my career doesn’t hold a candle. I have done much more in that world than Ben Shapiro will ever think of doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, here’s a question. Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, Charlie Kirk obviously has wowed the universe with the way he debated college students and profs on campuses. And he still does this, and he is brilliant. He makes lawyers look dumb. This guy is absolutely brilliant. He is the best at debate in that form that I have ever seen, along with Ben Shapiro, by the way. Shapiro is the only other one who I think could possibly keep up, but I think Kirk is the king.
SPEAKER 03 :
The difference between the two is, back to John’s point a moment ago from Cheyenne, Ben will get off on some of those weirdness tangents that Charlie Kirk’s not going to go off on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. However, Kirk is, you know, with Turning Point USA, Turning Point, they just had their, you know, their big powwow shindig. And there was a lot of hating on Israel there. Right. They’ve got a real problem with the libertarians.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which they need to get away from, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they’ve got a real problem with the libertarian bent, and that’s going to take them down. Guys, there is a reason the libertarians are such a small party. It’s not because we’re all a bunch of haters. It’s because their ideas don’t work in the real world. I’ve been debating a number of libertarians recently online, and they don’t seem to understand the concept of that you have to get more votes to win. It’s not a concept.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a fact.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but I’m not just talking in an election. I’m talking about in Washington when you’re trying to govern. Who was the big one, the libertarian out of Kentucky? Not Rand Paul, the other guy in the House.
SPEAKER 03 :
Massey.
SPEAKER 08 :
Massey. And I was saying Thomas Massey is a terrible Republican. And they’re like, oh, he’s the only one who’s principled, and we’re not principled, and all this. And I’m like, guys, you don’t understand. Outside of his not love for Israel, Thomas Massey and I agree on everything, okay? We do. But you can’t abandon strategy. And his followers will even look at you and say, well, because I’ll look at them and say, hey, what is he doing to help New York Republicans keep their seats? OK, I got news for you. New York Republicans, 80 percent of the voters in their districts wanted that increase in the salt deduction up to 40 percent. They want to rob the rest of America. Well, that’s terrible. Yeah, I know it is. But that’s what they want. And if we don’t give them somebody who gets it.
SPEAKER 03 :
But really quick, before you say that’s terrible, it is. Yeah. Be careful because there’s a lot of folks listening, you farmers and others that are out there. No offense. You’re on the dole, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER 03 :
Be careful. My point is, be careful who you’re pointing fingers at when it comes to things like that because there are some of you listening even right now that are in the same position.
SPEAKER 08 :
Especially if you’re a farmer in Iowa.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry. Talk about being on the dole. Sorry. But you are.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. But you see what I’m saying? And I would look at them and I’d say, guys, here’s the bottom line. If you do not have a majority in the House, not only do you not get to pass any good legislation, it’s all shut down, but all investigations. into the J6, what happened with J6 2020, and all these things goes away. Russian collusion goes away. All of these investigations go away because you’re not in charge of the House. You have to be in charge of the House. You cannot be in charge of the House unless you have a bunch. There are probably 25 to 30 Republicans who are holding seats in very purple and even blue-leaning districts in places like New York. And so I look at them, John, and I say this. What plan has Thomas Massey offered that would help those Republicans keep their seats?
SPEAKER 03 :
They don’t have any.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and they come back and they say, well, Thomas Massey, what he wanted instead of a big, beautiful bill, he wanted 12 little bills. Oh, OK. That means that you pass two or three bills that are easy, that have the popular stuff, and you get nothing else because you can’t get it. And guess what you do?
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You’re no further along.
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You’re no further along.
SPEAKER 03 :
Actually, you’re behind doing that, Andy.
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You’re way behind because now all those seats get lost in 2026.
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And you lost a ton of time.
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And now the Democrats have a 30-seat majority in the House.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you can’t do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
And the entire MAGA agenda is over. You had to do a big bill.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We left off talking about how everything Andy was mentioning nationwide, you know, on the national level, also comes back to home and applies to here in Colorado as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Can I mention one other person? Yeah. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Did you hear what? Okay. She doesn’t like Israel. She wants us to pull only six members of Congress for like total jihadis. And then Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene voted to pull military funding from Israel. OK, and here’s her reasoning. I’m sorry. This is great. She says they’ve got Israel has nuclear weapons. They can defend themselves. Okay, Marjorie, are you saying that you want Israel to nuke everybody they have a disagreement with? There’s no in-between. They’re okay because they can nuke people, John. This is when I look at these people and I’m just like, you’re off the deep end.
SPEAKER 03 :
This goes back to the things I’ve said many, many times on this program. I’ve interviewed and have been around enough of these people to know that, unfortunately, they’re not always the brightest in the room. I’m sorry, but they’re not. They got elected. Doesn’t mean they’re smart by any means.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not always. Okay, back to Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
So everything Andy said nationally speaking also applies here in Colorado, which for some odd reason, and maybe this is changing under our current leadership, let’s hope so. But unfortunately, in Colorado, we haven’t figured out what Andy was talking about nationally. In other words, we need some wins here. We need some wins there. We’ve got to make sure we protect this district, protect that district. We might not have the exact person able to win in that particular district, but it’s still a win, and a win is better than a loss. So we haven’t figured that out here in the state of Colorado either.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, we haven’t. And, you know, you can’t have leadership, especially you’re in a blue state, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Here? Yeah. Really, Andy? Obviously.
SPEAKER 08 :
Newsflash? Yeah, I’m just letting people. Hey, guys, just so you know, we’re in a blue state. Okay. All right. So you’re in a blue state. You can’t have lead. That doesn’t mean compromise, compromise, compromise, compromise. But you’ve got to be very good in picking your battles. And explaining your side.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, but let me step in for a moment.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Anybody that says, you know, we can’t compromise, I would ask them, have you ever raised kids? Have you ever owned a business? Have you ever done anything in retail? In other words— Have you ever been married? Thank you. You’re compromising constantly on certain things. So this whole attitude of you can’t compromise, no, you can’t go against your core principles. I get that. We have certain things that are undisputable. You know, faith in Christ and on down the line we go, Andy. Those are undisputable things. I understand that. You never give in on those things. But when it comes to how you get to an end goal, there’s always compromise.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, but John, you would agree compromise is very important in marriage. It’s important in life, Andy. So when does my wife start?
SPEAKER 03 :
I can’t answer that one.
SPEAKER 08 :
She’s very powerful. I can’t answer that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very powerful.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, I’m kidding, of course. Okay, getting back to, you can’t, What does it do, especially to those Republicans who are in the tough districts, but they’re winnable, right? You’re within three to four points either way. What does it do to have your state chair tell Republicans to burn pride flags?
SPEAKER 03 :
It kills your ability to do anything in that district.
SPEAKER 08 :
What does it do to have your state leadership say, we want to force our way out of the open primary? In other words, that way, all of the advertising, everything is only going to go to the Democrats. So they’re still going to have a primary. And all of that information is going to go to the independents only for one party.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, you Rhino, you Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah, I’m just talking strategy, but here’s the thing. What people need to understand is my views are almost identical to a lot of the Davidians. Yeah. Okay. My views are, we, we have almost all the exact same difference is strategy, Andy. Right. I look at them and I say, guys, absolutely. Okay. I agree with you on all these things, but we got to win.
SPEAKER 03 :
You don’t win, you don’t have a seat at the table.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can’t demand your way to victory. You can’t demand your way to a sale.
SPEAKER 03 :
No seat at the table means you have no voice in anything that goes on, which, by the way, this last legislative session down at the Capitol is exactly where we were. We literally had very little, if anything, to say about what went on. I’m going to interview Mark Baisley, who’s been a part of that, on Thursday. We’re going to talk about some of that. And the reality is we need more wins because we have very, very, very little voice and power at the state Capitol right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. John, we’re a football team that on every play throws a Hail Mary.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hoping we’re going to get across the goal line.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, because we don’t believe in first downs. That’s compromise. You’re only getting five, ten, you know, you’re only getting three yards here, eight yards there. You’re only getting first downs. You’re compromising. Look, guys, you have to.
SPEAKER 03 :
You didn’t get a touchdown that last time, Andy, so that didn’t count. Right. You didn’t get it. Right. Literally, that’s what they’re saying, right? You didn’t get a touchdown, so that doesn’t count. Exactly. But wait a minute. We gained five yards. So, yeah, it does count because we’re moving the ball forward.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. But again, let me go back to it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Go ahead, please. I hate to keep reiterating this, folks, but I think it’s so true. And I get it. There may be a few exceptions to this rule here in the state of Colorado, but I would challenge any of you that are on that Davidian side of the aisle. How many of you have actually ran a business? And I’m not talking a business out of your house where you’re selling, you know, wares and so on, or you’re an eBay person. No, I’m not talking about that. I mean, you’ve actually been in the marketplace. You’ve written paychecks. You’ve employed individuals. You’ve competed against competitors. By the way, more than two or three people. I mean, you’ve employed lots of people over the years, and you’ve actually competed in the marketplace. I would challenge that there’s very, very, very few few of those individuals in this group we’re talking about. Because if there were, Andy, they would understand everything we’re talking about.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. They’d be out in the real world, and they’d understand that not many people in the real world want a hard right view, especially in Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
They don’t understand.
SPEAKER 08 :
We’ve got to win them over first.
SPEAKER 03 :
You say it all the time, rightfully so. They don’t know the market, meaning if they’d ever been in business, because you’re in business, you have to know the market or you go broke. They don’t know the market because they’ve never done business.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, you know, the funny thing is, John, when you see a Davidian who has been in the market and has been a salesman and, you know, actually had a business, they don’t conduct their business at all how they’re telling us to conduct the party. They compromise all the time.
SPEAKER 03 :
You have to.
SPEAKER 08 :
You have to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or you won’t make it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Every transaction is a compromise. I would love if I ran a Safeway, I would love to charge $20 for a gallon of milk and have people pay for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s not reality.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re not going to do it. And by the way, that doesn’t mean that I want to sell milk for a dime. Okay? You have to have a deal. You have to have some kind of a balance there. You have to have a deal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, here’s something that side doesn’t understand. Okay, go ahead. A sale doesn’t even start until the customer says no.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Meaning, there’s not even any negotiation that happens. Because if the customer always agrees with you, that’s not a sale, it’s a transaction. Right. They’re just buying because it’s a transaction. Yeah, exactly. In other words, sales don’t happen until the customer says, no, now you have to put your sales hat on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. A sale is when you have to persuade them to buy what you’re selling.
SPEAKER 03 :
I always say it this way. It’s a lot like the gospel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
A sale, in my opinion, the definition of, and I know this isn’t in the textbook anywhere, and it’s not in the MBA world or anything like that, but this is my definition of a sale. Definition of a sale to me is getting somebody else to believe in something as much as I do to turn their hard-earned money over for it. That’s a sale. Right. It’s not a sale until then. In other words, I have to get them to believe enough in it for them to put that money towards it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, and now take the money out, and guess what? Everything is the same in politics.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now go to politics, that’s right. I have to get you, Andy, to believe enough in what I believe in to vote for it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, but nobody in our party, and by the way, this isn’t just the Davidians. This is the moderates as well. Mm-hmm. The Colorado Republican Party at large is not persuading anyone to join the right. It’s not persuading anyone to become a conservative because, by the way, it’s not good to become an ultra-compromiser like Liz Cheney.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, you can’t do that either.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, you’re selling out.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s totally the opposite.
SPEAKER 08 :
You see, when you do that, what are you doing? When you sell out like that, you’re actually advertising our principles on our side suck. Don’t buy these.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let me give you a better example. Yeah, go ahead. And I’ve used this in the business world a ton. That’s the person that the Liz Cheney’s, that’s the person that sells by just discounting the product enough to where the person then buys it. They’re not getting a belief transferred at all. They just made the price cheap enough that the other person will buy it, meaning they’re selling on price and price alone.
SPEAKER 08 :
I would take a step further. I believe Liz Cheney is selling at a loss.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that could be as well. Okay, I won’t argue that. She’s giving away the store. Yeah, and any time you do that, you can sell, quote-unquote, any product, but you’re really not selling anything.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. You’re worthless.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re giving it away. Yeah, you’re giving it away. You’re giving away the store. That’s right. So, folks, believe me, you can take everything I just said and apply it to the political world, and this is why I know the majority of people in the group Andy started off today at 3 o’clock talking about that were in the meeting last night, delaying the meeting last night, by the way, disrupting the meeting last night. These are individuals that have never, ever, ever done the things that Andy and I are talking about right now. They’ve never truly run a business. If they had, they would be doing the same things we’re talking about, but they haven’t. Agreed. And if any of you can prove to me they have, I’d love to meet them and talk to them about their business experience, but I’m guessing there isn’t any. I’ll be hard-pressed to believe any of you on the hard right side, the Davidian side, send me any names where they’ve actually ran any kind of a successful business. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And Dave wants to help you with all of your roofing needs. I say this all the time, but all under one roof, whether it’s commercial, residential, you want to fix your roof, extend the life of your roof, you name it, Dave does it all, 303-710-6916.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy Pate. Dave, Woodland Park. What’s going on, Dave?
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, guys. Great show, great show.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 12 :
The GOP, oh, my gosh. Talk about they don’t shoot themselves in the foot. They shoot themselves in the knees.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, Dave, actually, let me put it better than that even. Great analogy, but I’m going to change that. They light the dynamite and hang on to it.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m going to do one more. They pull the pin out of the grenade and they throw the pin.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, good analogy, yeah. I mean, regardless, they’re so sabotaging, Dave.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s awful. So many factions, and those factions go and preach to their little choirs, and that’s why they can’t get anywhere. If they would get away from themselves, take the message like Trump did to everyone, and And that will gain you success. That will at least get you the attention of the people that you have not been talking to. There is a ministerial elite alliance in Denver, in the Denver area, that has thousands of members. I mean, hundreds of pastors, and when Steve House went and talked to them when he was running, he didn’t win, but he still went and talked to them, and And when Trump ran, Derek Wilburn went in and talked to them. He reached out to them. And now some of those guys are in a group that we have, a conservative group that we have. Gee, the GOP has to get over itself. and start talking to the people that are not in the choir, because we do have great ideas, we have great principles. You know, you talk to black people about the fact that almost 47% of black births are being aborted. You talk to them about there are 43 million black people in the United States. Well, there should be 60 million, but we have aborted 17 million, a third of our population. That’s genocidal. And talking about the importance of dads being at home, and, you know, there’s so many issues that we could win on.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what, everything you just said reminded me of something else, Dave, and this is, it’s so comparative to, let’s face it, the Gospel, whereas the Gospel is the greatest message, we talk about it, greatest message to mankind, correct? Yes. Yes. Because it applies to everyone equally. There’s no respecter of persons when it comes to that. Everybody’s treated exactly the same way. Everybody has the same opportunity at the end of the day. It literally is the greatest message, the greatest story ever told, I guess you could say, Dave. And we as a GOP have the same story when it comes to politics and the way the country runs. We just communicate it like crap.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, we don’t articulate it well. And we talk about spending deficits and, you know, those things that people aren’t even thinking about.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope. As much as they’re near and dear to us, and they are, Dave, and I realize down the road what it’s going to do to not only my generation but future generations. So, yes, it’s very important. But to your point, the person that’s struggling to put gas in the car and food on the table and buy insurance and make a mortgage payment, no offense, Dave, they don’t care.
SPEAKER 12 :
And they don’t have—it’s like you cannot talk to a person who’s hungry.
SPEAKER 03 :
You can’t. You’ve got to feed them first.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’ve got to feed them first. And you look at—and getting back to the Gospel, Yeshua, after talking to those people, he saw that they were worn out.
SPEAKER 03 :
So we said— Well, the feeding of the 5,000, you know, hey, let’s all sit down, let’s have a meal first, let’s break some bread, and then guess what? Then I’ll give you a message.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, and then people are listening, and you see them following him, and he tells them, you’re not following me because of what I thought. You’re following me because of what you ate.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I really think that the Republican Party doesn’t understand what a great message it has.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with you, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
They really don’t. They’re afraid of their own message. It’s like, look, folks, you do realize everybody is running away from every place Democrats run.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. I mean, think about that for a moment.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re running away from everywhere. California, biggest exodus of all states right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And all urban areas are running. They run to suburban or rural areas. If you have to constantly run away from everything they run, I mean, that’s quite a sales pitch. And you combine that, Dave, with the fact that Trump is going to bring a jobs boom in urban areas for manufacturing. Yeah. It’s coming, baby.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, Andy, in everything, Andy, you just said, I feel, I’m sorry the comparisons are so similar, but they are. Everything Andy just said about the political party, the Republican Party, Dave, is the same thing the Church has going on. Both have the tremendous message, things that people will buy into, but don’t communicate it effectively or think for some odd reason that people want to hear something different than that.
SPEAKER 12 :
You are so right on. And one of the things that i love about the little church that i go to and this is what the gop needs to understand we key on the word salvation in the church salvation salvation salvation yeshua came to to give us yeah he came to give us salvation but even more even more identifiable is relationship redemption aim to give us back our relationship with our Father.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. Redeem us. I like the word redeem better than salvation, because people can understand what… Because most people, when you say salvation, well, save me from what? I don’t need saved. I’m good on my own. But redemption, Dave, people understand what that word means.
SPEAKER 12 :
And then when you take that and you start to combine it with relationship, that Daddy wants to talk to you. I call God Daddy. Daddy wants to talk to you. He wants to hear you. He is attentive to every moment in your life.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. And when it comes to the political end of things, Dave, you look at what we believe as a republic, not democracy. In other words, everybody has equal representation. We want you to be the best that you can be. We want to give you the tools to be the best that you can be. We don’t want government feeding you. We want you feeding yourself. We want you to be the best you could ever be. What a tremendous message, Dave.
SPEAKER 12 :
That is, it’s a wonderful message. And when you think about what happened after the Emancipation Proclamation, 1865, and then on up into the 1940s and 50s, and I’m using black people again because they came from a sub-zero to just, I mean, they’re more black millionaires and black billionaires in the United States than all other countries combined. And you look at where they came from being 70 percent illiterate to over 70 percent literate. And just the accomplishments that were made without government.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, Dave, if it weren’t for the Democrat Party, that number would be 90 percent. Sorry, but it would be. Hey, Dave, I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 08 :
I got to ask you a question. It’s kind of an emotional one. I’m serious here. What does it do in the black community when you were talking about daddy wants to talk to you and you’re talking about God? Is that more thirsted for, do they thirst for that more or less in the black community where so many families don’t have a father?
SPEAKER 12 :
This is just my opinion. The black church has really undone itself. it’s really, to me, it’s corrupted itself tremendously. Because number one, they’re identifying themselves as the black church. Number two, they talk about a God that’s throwing lightning bolts. They talk about a God, you know, Yeshua is an insurance policy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s not who Daddy is.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, and what you’re saying is, unfortunately, they’re doing what I grew up in and finally had to have my own enlightenment and not do that in that way because, again, Charlie, both him and I, and even Andy’s wife, that’s how we were all raised is exactly the way you’re talking, Dave.
SPEAKER 12 :
And black people need to understand that there’s only one race daddy created one race the human race yeah absolutely absolutely oh there’s no black gene there’s no white gene there’s no asian gene none of that there is one race and we keep getting divided even religiously and that to me is that’ll that’ll sink your boat faster than anything can’t disagree dave you’re wise dave i appreciate you as always love you man as you know Love you too, man. Great show.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, man. Appreciate you, Dave. Thank you very much. Guys, I meant what I just said. Dave’s been calling in here for, gosh, almost since I started 11 years ago. I’ve been talking to Dave that long. By the way, just an encouragement to be on air and hear what he says. An encouragement, I think, Andy, to know that Everything we say doesn’t fall on deaf ears. There are people out there that agree with what we say, and there are people that want to see the party, the church as well, but the party change. We just have to somehow get people to understand that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Can I ask you one thing before we go to break?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, we were talking about Dave is this incredibly unifying character.
SPEAKER 03 :
He always has been, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve known him for years. Right now, the party is so incredibly divided. And what we saw last night, and I talk about that, was so aggressive. It was completely organized, orchestrated, full of rage and hate. And it was just really something. But we’re talking about a group of people, John, that think virtually all the same opinions you and I do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Is there any way that these that these two sides can finally forgive and realize, look, it’s a strategic difference that we have, not a principles difference? We have virtually no disagreements in principle. Our disagreements are in strategy and we both want to win. Can’t we listen to each other? Because guess what? At times they’re right. You can compromise yourself right out of the market.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
You can. And by the way, but at times they’re wrong. You can also go to purity hell and suddenly you can’t sell. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
The same thing happens in business, by the way, Andy. In other words, really quick, you can be somebody that feels like, oh, I need this product, I need that product, I need this product. In other words, you’re compromising even what your core business is by getting off on all these ancillary things that then you miss out on the core business and you’re not making any money on the same token. Businesses can say, you know what, we’ve always done it this way. We’ve always sold this product. We’re not even going to look at some of these other ancillary things we can bring in because this is the way we’ve always done it. That’s wrong as well. Somewhere there’s balance between those two, and it’s something that the – and I was going to say this. I think as far as the party as a whole in Colorado goes – that there are far more people, independents and Republicans, that think the way we’re talking now. The problem is the leadership in those that are still involved in the SEC, as you were saying earlier, the problem is we still have this large core of individuals that have a lot to do with how the party runs that are screwing it up.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. All they want is power.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that’s not what all Republicans in Colorado want, by the way. No. But it’s what they want.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Did I say that correctly?
SPEAKER 08 :
John, the SEC is less than, what, a tenth of 1% of the party.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. It’s a very, very small portion.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. And what we saw last night was only the desire for power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nothing else. Here’s the other problem, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely nothing else.
SPEAKER 03 :
These same people would be the same ones to come along and say, well, yeah, but our way of doing things is the only thing that matters because we’re the activists. We’re the fundamentalists. We’re the ones that really get the ball rolling. So at the end of the day, we’re the only ones that count. Am I right in that? Yes. That’s how they feel. We’re the only ones that count. We’re the only ones putting in the time and the effort and the energy. So we’re the only ones that matter.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yes. They want there to be no primaries. They want only the activists to be able to vote on who our candidates are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because they feel like only I matter.
SPEAKER 08 :
They won’t admit that, but yes.
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SPEAKER 06 :
It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Gaines. Okay, to coincide with some of what we’ve been talking about, which this really, I think, is the opposite of what people want to hear. Now, I get it. Maybe there’s some in Denver that want to hear Mike Johnson talk about how great the city is, although I think anybody with any kind of a brain understands that the city is in utter disarray right now. Horrible. But he still delivers a state of the city address and essentially is telling everybody how great things are. So he’s lying. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In fact, it’s funny. I talked to a Denver police officer the other day, just out of the blue, happened to have a conversation and was talking about just how dismal the current leadership actually is. the fact that the majority of the calls they have in Denver always end up being in, you know, one of several places that have to do with Section 8 housing and homelessness and on and on we go. And, of course, my first thing I said was, A, thank you for what you’re doing. I wouldn’t want your job, so thank you for doing that because I don’t want to do what you do. And his comment was, it’s really a shame that we spend the lion’s share of our time in areas that we shouldn’t even be there in the first place and we’re really not helping the citizens that are writing the checks. These are the police officers saying this. Not the mayor, a police officer.
SPEAKER 08 :
So we’re not helping the citizens who are writing the checks.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’re not. We’re helping those that aren’t. We’re helping those that are sucking off the system.
SPEAKER 08 :
Basically, they are protecting the ones writing the checks from those who don’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. One of the things, of course, that Mike Johnston talked about was homelessness. On the first day of our administration, we declared a state of emergency on homelessness. Yeah, and you haven’t done anything about it since. We did it because we had people dying on the street in record numbers. We had large encampments spread around the city, by the way, you still do. We had thousands of tents blocking access to post offices and churches, by the way, you still do. Strangling businesses and frightening residents, and you still do. Nothing has changed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Strangling businesses, that’s bigger than ever. They’re a joke.
SPEAKER 03 :
It hasn’t changed. Andy, these people must just live in, you know, Mike Johnston, must just live in total la-la land because everything he just said, nothing’s changed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but John, he knows he’s lying. He lives in spin land. Okay, he’s lying. He knows. He knows. He absolutely knows. I mean, when you pay people to be here illegally, come on. When you look the other way in crime, come on. When you let the homeless run rampant. over the streets in front, you know, on street corners in front of businesses where they’re trying to pay the taxes to fund, you know, to pay all the bills, you know, he knows he doesn’t care.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And he’s even run on the fact that, you know, you won’t see any more of these encampments. You won’t see a single, you know, tent, this, that, and the other. You know, we’re going to revitalize downtown. And again, none. Mike, sorry, not trying to be disrespectful here, but none of that has happened. Zilch.
SPEAKER 08 :
How come the Democrats never do anything to transition people?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s hard work. Because they, well, they want them on the dole, Andy. It’s called the golden rule. The guy with the gold rules. Right. They want these people to need them. They’re living by the golden rule.
SPEAKER 08 :
The more needy people, the more Democrats. Absolutely. Right. We want people to be needed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
At a job. And by the way, I got news for you folks out there. It is a much better feeling to be needed than to be needy. When you wake up every morning and you need that check from the government, you need those food stamps, you need that help, that Medicaid, that’s not a good feeling. But when you wake up every day and they need you to show up at a job, even if you don’t like the job that day, even if you’re not too fond of your boss still, You’re needed there, man. Your coworkers need you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Your family needs you. The marketplace needs you. On down the line, we go.
SPEAKER 08 :
You are needed. Everybody wants to be needed, not needy. And this is something that I think the Republican Party has to start selling more.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it goes back to what we were talking about with Dave. We have a great message, Andy. We just don’t do a very good job of presenting it.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, John, for the last two years, and I know I’m beating up the old… Right now, guys, I’m not tearing into the Davidians because of the big rift we had. Set that aside, please.
SPEAKER 03 :
It just has to do with strategy.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m just talking about the message. The market out there, they don’t want to hear how much you want to get them out of your primary. Whether it’s a good thing or not, they don’t care about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Andy, let me go further on a few other things. They also don’t want to hear about abortion. Even though it’s a big deal to you and I, they don’t want to hear about abortion. It’s huge for me. But it isn’t to them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
In fact, it’s quite the opposite for them. So what are a few other topics that our side think are really important, but the middle especially look at and say, yeah, that’s not a big deal to me.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, John, here in Colorado, our side has been pushing things that don’t even have any, they’re barely even political issues. What about the steal? The 2020 steal.
SPEAKER 03 :
They don’t care about that at all, do they?
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, I think it’s great that the Trump administration is looking into it because they’re going to expose some things. And I think also they’re going to make it much harder to cheat going forward. But I got news for you, Colorado. There’s nothing you could have done here about it. And yet you wasted all this money and time preaching about the 2020 steal when the market was saying we don’t care.
SPEAKER 03 :
And in Colorado, you didn’t even have the right people in place to have any kind of a landslide win. Here’s my point, and it’s been this way all along in Colorado. They didn’t have to cheat. Sorry, folks. We’re not presenting the right kind of candidates in Colorado to win in the first place. So the reality is I’m sorry. This is going to hurt a lot of people, what I’m saying here. But they don’t have to cheat. No. They’re winning without it. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, let me run a few. And you’ve heard these comments from me before, okay? But tell me if these are more attractive than what we’ve been selling. I want you to have an economy people run to, not from.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sells. Okay. Okay. Your child’s success is my only agenda in schools. It’s all I want. Your kid to succeed. That’s our only agenda. Take everything else out.
SPEAKER 03 :
It sells.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. You see what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 03 :
What about traffic, Andy? How do I help you get from A to B faster?
SPEAKER 08 :
Two lines. I mean, two words. More lanes. Right. I want you to have more lanes and better lanes.
SPEAKER 1 :
Period.
SPEAKER 03 :
What about, Andy, we want to go from the state that is in the top three of all cars stolen to the bottom three?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t want you to have to worry about your car being in your driveway or not when you come back home.
SPEAKER 08 :
I want you to have less crime. Two words, less crime.
SPEAKER 03 :
How hard is that to sell, Andy? Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, no, John, it’s not hard at all for crying out loud. This is easy stuff. And what about what I was saying earlier? For people, you know, they say, well, you can’t reach into those communities. Oh, yeah? I want you to be needed, not needy. I believe that every day you wake up wanting to be, you’re just like me. You and I have this in common. Maybe I can be a multimillionaire, and I want you to know something. I want to wake up every day being needed, not needy, and so do you.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’re the same. Let’s work together. Why can’t we sell this? Instead, we’re worried about stuff that no one cares about. I know. I’m sorry to say, but we do, Andy. We worry about things no one cares about.
SPEAKER 08 :
Our messages get out of our primary. Right or wrong, that’s not what they want to hear.
SPEAKER 03 :
Andy, I can tell you right now, that is like the last thing on their mind.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and when they hear it, it doesn’t sound good.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, first of all, they don’t even understand the inner workings of how that works in the first place.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re blaming us for you having bad candidates? Even if it were true, they don’t want to hear that. They want to hear all these things. The Republican Party right now has so many great things. Well, my gosh, we just got rid of taxes on tips. So why can’t we look at them? Let’s say you disagree with that or agree with that. I actually don’t like the policy, okay? But setting that aside. When you tip a waitress, do you want to tip her or the government? Well, I want to tip her. Well, great. Now you can.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now your tip just goes to that waitress. So what you’re telling me is they didn’t want to hear no flags? Do you want to hear… Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
God hates flags. Did they want to hear that, Andy? Did they want to hear that? God hates flags. Did they want to hear that? No. But do they want to hear… You don’t want guys in your daughter’s locker room. Yeah, they did want to hear that.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a big one, Andy. That one they do understand.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. They want to hear that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you want guys playing in your daughter’s sports? No, they don’t. I do believe there’s a majority of Coloradans that will buy into that one easily. Yes, there’s a percentage that don’t care, that want it the other way, but not very many, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. How about this? You want to choose what car to drive, not the government to tell you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s up to you.
SPEAKER 03 :
We want you to have that choice.
SPEAKER 08 :
We trust you to choose your own car.
SPEAKER 03 :
You can make your own decision. That’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
We believe you know what car you want.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we are not going to take out of somebody else’s pocket, out of your pocket included, so somebody else can go do what they want to do. Right. We want all of you having equal opportunity when it comes to that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, again, why do we have such a hard time selling this, Andy?
SPEAKER 08 :
John, it all sells. It all sells. And our party here in Colorado spent two years protesting rather than selling.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and we’ve said this many, many times, and I want the other side to really hear this. You cannot sell protest. You cannot sell a protest vote. No one cares.
SPEAKER 08 :
Protest only sells to people who are like-minded already. Those are the people who are going to share your protest. By the way, they’re not the only problem. It’s not just the Davidians. The moderates. We’ve had big-time moderate candidates, and we could reel off their names here.
SPEAKER 03 :
No different.
SPEAKER 08 :
Have they reached the market?
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’ve been totally ineffective. Right.
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All right, we’re going to wrap today up. Myself, Charlie Grimes, Andy Pate, of course. Be careful out there driving around. There’s still some rough weather kicking around, so as always, be careful with that. Tomorrow, I’ve got somebody coming on, which I’m going to have to be sold on because I’ve talked to these folks before, and I’m not totally bought in on this whole EMF radiation coming out of your phones. Should you be using them? Should you not? I’ve got a guest that’s going to join us during health and wellness where we’ll go into that, and I will— actually present to him that he’s going to have to sell me on all of this because I’ll tell you right now, I’m not sold on all of that, and he’ll have to sell me. Okay. We’ll see how it goes tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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