Beyond the literary world, we tackle pressing societal issues, such as the need for cleaner, safer school transportation. Discover how propane-powered buses offer a sustainable and practical alternative to traditional diesel, presenting a cleaner future for our children. Finally, join us as we uncover the truths about roadside animal attractions with expert insights from Megan Tiemann, ensuring that our visits are both conscious and compassionate.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.
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Hey there, friend, Angie Austin with the good news. Well, the good news is we have a repeat guest joining us. Very excited to have Laurie Elizabeth Murphy joining us again. Laurie is the author of Dream Me Home. And we spoke to her about that book before. And now we’re talking to her about her new book, A Story of Betrayal. It is Dream Me Dead. Laurie Elizabeth Murphy, thank you for joining us and welcome back.
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Thank you, Angie. Thank you for having me.
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I was just asking you, we were talking about your kids and grandkids, because I had told you that in the break that I had just gotten back from a four-day drive. I was all discombobulated on a different time zone and calling you all frazzled. And you’re like, I have four kids and six grandkids, Angie.
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I understand. Really. I know how that goes. Sometimes, even if I don’t leave the house, I don’t know what time zone I’m in. So I understand. I understand. Well, thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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You’re very welcome. And I’m excited to talk about my book. Dreamy dead is the sequel to dreamy home. And it’s,
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the middle book because there’s going to be a third book probably dream me back I want people to know a little about you because I do think you have a very interesting background besides being a mom to four grandmother to six you’re a registered nurse and a psychotherapist so you kind of have a unique background to write these books and so tell us about you first and then we’ll get into the middle book of the three okay well um yes I always wanted to be a nurse I was
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actually a dancer at Juilliard in New York City. And, you know, my parents had high hopes for me, but my whole life wanted to be a nurse. And so I made the quick switch, much to my parents’ dismay, and went into nursing school in New York City at Mount Sinai Hospital and loved it. I loved it. I worked there in the ICU, and I worked at Georgetown Hospital. in D.C. in the ICU, and then moved to Pensacola when my husband was two years. He just graduated from the residency program as an orthopedic surgeon. He had to give back two years. It was the Vietnam era. And so we went to Pensacola. And, you know, bustling, all kinds of things. By the time we finally settled in Seward, Florida – I had four kids. It was just too much to go back into the hospital. They didn’t have like a MASH program where I could just work several hours. So I went back to school and I got my psychology degree. And I had a practice for 38 years. I retired four years ago after my husband passed away. And the stories that you hear… Just when you think you’ve heard every story you could possibly hear in 38 years, there’s more. And they take up residence in your head because you don’t know how people cope with this stuff, and you don’t know how they survive, and they’re strong, and you’re so proud of them. And I guess all of a sudden, and I’ve been a writer in my head my whole life, and all of a sudden I just thought, now I’ve got time. And the book kind of wrote itself with everybody’s experiences mishmashing everything.
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Well, I love the idea of it’s never too late to change. I mean, in terms of you’ve had quite a few careers wrapped up there as a mother and a psychotherapist and a registered nurse and now an author. And I love the idea of doing something new later in life, which a lot of us are like, oh, it’s too late, blah, blah, blah. And so I really love that you’re an author now. And when you talk about being a registered nurse, it’s so interesting you say that because I was just sitting with my daughter when I dropped her off at school and she was going to get into marketing. And at this dinner we were having with one of the people that’s on like her team, she has ADHD. So even though she’s very good at math, she loses her focus and we’re worried about her pursuing something as challenging as math. becoming an RN. And she was talking to her advisor while we were at dinner. And my husband really wants her to go for it. I’m a little bit nervous because I know school is a challenge for her. But as far as a career, I think that she’s a real nurturer and it’s very rewarding. Was that something that when you did it, you enjoyed and you think, you know, is something that you can, I know it’s very challenging as far as the education, correct?
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It is challenging, especially the anatomy and physiology. I mean, it’s a lot to learn. It’s, you know, certainly not medical school, but you still have to know all the cranial nerves and all this and that. There’s a lot of memorization that you’re probably not going to use, but you never know when it comes into play. The thing about ADHD, if I may say, is that you can find somebody ADHD who can’t read a book and really understand the meaning of it or they start daydreaming and this and that. But if they want to do something, somehow their brain is able to focus. So if she has a calling to be a nurse, you would maybe be surprised that she will love it enough that she’ll retain the material.
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Yeah, they have that hyper-focus. I mean, not to change the subject because I want to get back to your books, but she rescued someone as a lifeguard, and the other lifeguards freaked out. And they haven’t had another lifeguard that’s completely missed a kid drowning. But in this case, the other lifeguard was side-by-side with my daughter but couldn’t even dial 911 and get the address because she was losing, like, She was so upset. So my daughter was doing the rescue breaths. My daughter then took over the 911 call and they would tell them to wait while she did another rescue breath. And so she kind of had that hyper focus that when necessary, she can, like you said, when you’re interested in something, they can really focus well. It’s kind of a unique superpower of ADHD.
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It really is a superpower. And usually people with ADHD are actually quite bright. Oh, she is. Yeah, and they get sort of slipped between the cracks maybe first, second, third grade until somebody really understands. They’re really smart. They just don’t necessarily have the focus to understand what the paragraph is saying or whatever, but I think, well, first of all, we need good nurses. Absolutely. Nurses run the show. I don’t care what anybody says.
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I totally agree.
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I was married to a surgeon. I know a lot of doctor families and all that. We save the day. We nurses save the day in the hospital. So we need good nurses. And if she loves it, she’ll do well.
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Laurie, it’s interesting because you work in psychotherapy. One thing that she gets made fun of for all the time is, you know how a lot of people won’t ask a question because they don’t want to appear like the dummy in the room? My daughter will ask any question of anyone, anywhere. And so people kind of laugh at her sometimes because it might be kind of a silly question. But I kind of admire that in her. And she was with a lot of my at a family reunion recently and A lot of my relatives, like one has two PhDs. They’re very intelligent people. A lot of them were engineers. And they were kind of saying, like, Hope, you should Google some of these things and not ask people some of these silly questions. But I kind of admire that she doesn’t care if you’re going to judge her. She just wants to know.
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Well, you must have done a great job raising her. A lot of self-confidence. And this one, I bet you, I wish we could talk in four years and you could tell me that she graduated with a nursing degree and she’s doing a super job. I bet you that’s what’s going to happen.
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Well, Lori, I think we are going to continue to do interviews because I know you’ve got that third book coming. So we talked about Dream Me Home, and that was the story of betrayal, infidelity, and love, and it was a chilling mystery. And now you’re on your second book, not the third one yet. And this is Dream Me Dead. So let’s get into the second book. And your background really helps you, I think, write these books.
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It really does. And just a quick synopsis. If you remember in book one, Dream Me Home, Peggy Prescott was the protagonist. And she, on page one, narrates. the entire story from the grave. She’s dead. Oh, that’s right. And she narrates the stories from the grave because now she has a 360-degree view of exactly what’s going through the minds of every character. And if there’s anything that propelled me to write, because I’m a pretty big reader, is sometimes there’s books with too many characters and you’re like, I don’t know who these people are. Or the characters are okay, but the plot is just weak. And I thought, why can’t people just write stories Even if it’s not significant characters, they all have to have a story so that you go, oh, yeah, I remember this one because of that. So I try to write my characters strong. So in the first book, okay, her husband is accused. Her husband, who’s a plastic surgeon, is accused of killing Peggy because he finds her dead and frozen in his bed and Oh my goodness. And he was, yeah, in which he was sleeping, got up to take a shower. He was very entitled because he’s like a celebrity surgeon now. And he comes back to find her under the covers instead of making his breakfast as he thinks he should. And when he pulls the covers off. he realizes she’s grotesquely dead and you would hope that he would be distraught enough to want to do everything he could. Instead, he’s pacing the floor, thinking about his image and what’s this going to do to his image in town.
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Oh my goodness. Yeah, the egotistical celebrity plastic surgeon.
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So that’s where the book goes, Dreamy Home Opens. And then we go through the whole book of the different characters and what could have happened to her. And it’s her husband, Robb,
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Which, by the way, how does your husband, who’s a surgeon, feel about these books with the evil surgeon husband?
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Well, my husband is now deceased, and that’s the only reason I could write these books. That was my first husband. My second husband was a psychologist. also now deceased. I didn’t do anything wrong, believe me. And so he would never have let me write one of the main characters in the first book and who comes forward in the second book.
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Wait, so you waited for your husbands. Neither of them are with us anymore. I’m sorry to say that part. But you were able to write these books then after. Oh, my goodness, you are a character, Laurie.
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But Dr. Sherman is the psychiatrist in both books, and he hates women. He’s a complete misogynist. and he loves to have the power to twist people’s minds. So Peggy goes back in time to an incident in the first book that there was a home invasion, which is how she started seeing Dr. Sherman, who thought she reminded him of his first wife who left him, and he wanted to punish her for that. And so you could see the manipulation and what it did to her mind. So, okay, so the book ends, and we kind of have an idea – It’s up for grabs of what you think the ending is. You know, some people thought this, some people thought that. But in book two, which is now Dreamy Dead, we pick it up where Rob’s on trial for her murder.
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Oh, so it’s a big court case.
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It’s a big court case in the beginning. And, you know, then he goes back into the jail every night and he talks to the inmates and he starts thinking about all the people that have wronged him because he was once, you know, a big celebrity kind of guy. Everybody would worship the ground he walked on. And all of a sudden, he’s the killer. And, you know, nobody wants to come forward on his behalf in the trial. So he has a lot of anger. And so he’s thinking, you know, well, maybe I will kill somebody. Who am I going to hit? So you start going through all the characters that were in the first book that were still alive, at least. And we have new characters in the second book, the judge and his attorney, and really kind of very colorful people of somebody who’s having an affair with. And that’s kind of a fun thing. And it really ended in a way that, in my mind, that’s the ending. People that have read it have said, I think it went this way. Well, no, I think it went this way. And I thought, oh, for crying out loud. I mean, I made it as clear as I could. So I said, you know what? Let me just put this all to rest. I’m doing the third book. We’re making a new trilogy. And there’s going to be no question at the end how she died today.
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So in your decision to write a trilogy, you kind of answer the question because a lot of people have questions about this. And we only have a little bit of time left, but I want to talk to you a little about what I loved at your acknowledgments. Because you talk about a lifetime of listening to the stories of patients who were kind enough to share their stories, hopes, dreams, fears, and experiences together. Then you thank your children and what a blessing they are to you and your grandchildren. You thank your daughter, Courtney, who helps with your grammar and punctuation. And then Tucker, your last love, her decades of memories and just, you know, the blessings in your life. I love it that you have this rich tapestry of a life and you weave it all together to in your in one of your later chapters in your life to become an author after being a psychotherapist and an RN and a mom and a grandma and I just love this idea of everything you’ve done and how you’re thankful for all your blessings.
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Yes, thank you. Yes, I’ve been very lucky and fortunate to have really good friends, good family, good values, great kids, great grandkids. And I think everybody would probably say that. Most people would say that about their own families also, so we’re all prejudiced toward our own kids. But, I mean, I think because they have given me no problems before, I had the time in my mind to imagine my whole life how stories would be if I could write them. But I didn’t have the time to write them. Now I have the time to write them.
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And how neat to take the stories of, like, your patients and write them the way that you’d like them to be. Oh, my goodness. You’re so fun to talk to. I want to interview you again and just get more just about you and your life. So tell us where we can find you, Laurie Elizabeth Murphy. Do you have a website for us for your trilogy of books, including this new one, Dream Me Dead?
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Yes, I have a website. It’s lauriemurphy.net. My books can be found, Dreamy Home and Dreamy Dead, are on Amazon. Probably is the best place to get them because it’s overnight. But also Barnes & Noble and anywhere else that books are sold online. probably can order them for you. But Amazon is a quick overnight.
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Well, Laura, you’re a real pleasure. I just get a kick out of interviewing. Thank you so much. And congratulations on your success with these multiple careers and this new career as an author.
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Thank you very much. And I look forward to talking to you again soon.
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Me too. Thank you. Okay.
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Hey there, friends. Angie Austin here with the good news. Well, we are taking a road trip right now, and I learned something from a friend I met at PETA, Melanie Johnson, a short while back, and that is how to check out these roadside animal attractions to make sure they’re the legit ones. So in general, when you see them, drive right on by. Joining us to discuss further is Megan Tiemann. She is the Captive Wildlife Specialist for Penis Foundation’s Captive Animal Law Enforcement Division.
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Welcome, Megan. Hi, thank you so much for having me.
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learned from Melanie how to check these out and I found out the one in Colorado that I actually love and Keensburg she said I believe to go to global Federation of animal sanctuary so she taught me how to do it and I found out that the one that I was looking at in Keensburg it’s like highly rated but I had no idea that I could check out the legitimacy of these roadside animal attractions or sanctuaries
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Yeah, absolutely. And people don’t know that there’s a way to make sure that you are supporting proper facilities. You know, the sanctuary in particular you’re talking about is a true accredited sanctuary. They’re rescuing the animals from these deplorable roadside zoos where they oftentimes live on concrete. They don’t have access to veterinary care or proper diet. And then when we rescue them, we give them a chance to be in a sanctuary like that. They’re given grass and the opportunity to run and play and live as a wild animal should.
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You know, I remember how popular that Tiger King show was. I was kind of blown away at like the freedom that they seem to have to do whatever they wanted to. And one of the things I saw in another documentary about these roadside type zoos. is that they were really breeding, I believe it was tigers, because the people wanted to hold the babies. But I’m like, okay, if you’re breeding this many tiger babies, where are the big tigers going? What’s happening with the big tigers? Because you want to have so many babies for people to hold. And I was just dumbfounded that you could become a tiger breeding factory for people to snuggle them.
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Yeah. And that’s a really great point. People want to see these tiny little animals. They’re quote unquote, cute babies. But what happens when the babies grow up? What’s happening behind the scenes? These places, these roadside zoos are not, they have no authority to be breeding these wild animals. There’s no reason to be breeding them just only to make money off of them for photo opportunities. And, you know, the places that are breeding are not doing it properly. There’s a lot of inbreeding that goes on because, you know, a tiger’s gestation period is only three months. So you can quickly breed a tiger and then again, take those babies and use them to make money. And then when they get to quote unquote dangerous or old, then they’re just put into a small enclosure to be seen by the public or they’re sold off to another breeder so that they can be bred again over and over again and exploited over and over again. So, you know, a lot of people just need to be aware that there’s so much that goes on behind the scenes and there’s so much that these places aren’t telling you. They don’t want you to know the truth.
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Yeah. Not only do they get older, they get very hungry and it’s very expensive to feed a tiger because of the quality of food that they need. Explain to us what Melanie explained to me last time. Tell us, Megan, how do we figure out if we’re going down the road and we’re like, oh, I might want to stop at that sanctuary? Explain to them where they can go to figure out the ones that are accredited that they should invest their money in or donate their money to.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s a great question. The accredited facilities are going to be governed by some type of higher body, some type of organization. That’s for Federation of Animal Sanctuaries, Association of Zoos and Aquariums. You know, it sounds like a lot that I’m saying, but this is really important. That means that people are checking in on the animals and making sure that they are receiving the best standard of care as per the law. You know, and we can, if people are confused, they can just visit our website at PETA.org slash roadside zoos. We have a ton of information there on, you know, the good versus the bad and these true accredited sanctuaries where the animals are getting the treatment they deserve.
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Now, do you, PETA as an organization, do you rescue some of these animals that are in the facilities that are not the good facilities? Yes.
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Absolutely. We have helped rescue hundreds of animals across the country from these deplorable roadside zoos. You know, our biggest was just a few years ago at a facility in Virginia, and we helped relocate 70 animals, just about a little bit more than that. And that included anywhere from black bear to llamas, iguanas, small primates. Now they’re living in true accredited sanctuaries where they’re getting opportunity to touch grass, oftentimes for the first time in their life, you know, or they’re getting adequate veterinary care and mental stimulation things that.
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I talked to one of your colleagues, we talked about SeaWorld, and I’ve never gone back after I saw that documentary, Blackfish, which I think people should definitely see if you have not seen that. I wanted to ask you, what are some examples of animal-friendly summer vacation spots that you could recommend?
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That’s a good question. You know, and I get it, it’s summertime and people are traveling and looking for things to do, and You know, there’s so many things that we can do that don’t even include animals, you know, going to the beach or to a national park. You know, there’s indoor activities we can do to avoid the heat if we need to. But animals are amazing and we want to see them. We want to learn about them. So if you do need to go. see animals, just make sure you’re visiting those accredited facilities that are abiding by the law and not, you know, contributing to the animal exploitation that goes on at these roadside zoos.
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Exactly. Well, thanks for all you do for animals. I’m a big fan of the work that you do. Again, give us the website if we want to check out and make sure where we want to stop is accredited.
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Of course. Check out PETA.org slash roadside zoos.
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Well, thank you so much, Megan.
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Thank you so much for having me. You bet.
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Well, if you were just joining us, we’re changing gears now. This is Angie Austin with the good news. Millions of students are riding to school this year on diesel buses, and they are kind of stinky, I know, because a lot of them pass through our neighborhood. But a new survey says parents are ready for something cleaner. I think a lot of us are. Joining us today is Tucker Perkins. He’s back, president and CEO of the Propane Education and Research Council, with info on the survey and how to improve the ride to school. Hey, Tucker, welcome back.
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Good morning and so glad to be back with you as we start talking about back to school. It’s hard to believe it’s that time of year again.
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Well, you’re the one really over the last few years that has taught me about propane and how clean it is and what it can be used for. So tell us about this new survey and about how parents feel about school transportation and what can be done to make it cleaner because it’s actually pretty simple.
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Yeah, we’re excited about the results of this survey because we surveyed parents and administrators across the country and And what we heard from them overwhelmingly is that 80%, more than 80%, really, thought that their child deserved to ride to school in a low-emission bus, one powered by propane. So we were glad to hear that, which is sadly not the reality of life today. Most children ride to school the way their parents did, or even their grandparents, in a diesel-powered school bus. And as you and I have talked about for years, These propane-powered buses are better for the child, they’re better for the environment, and they’re much better for the school system.
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Well, what’s interesting, you told me, like the cool place, during our first interview, my daughter was in the grade where it was the last year of elementary school, and they could ride in the back, which is like where all the cool kids ride and the older kids, and you told me that was the absolute worst place for her to be riding. Can you tell me about that?
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Well, we hear it from drivers, we hear it from students, we hear it from school nurses that You know, you’ve been behind the school bus when it pulled away. You see that cloud of black smoke coming out of the tailpipe. We know what’s in that cloud of black smoke. Harmful pollutants that harm their lungs, asthma, bronchitis in children, COPD in adults. It also contains particulate matter, a known carcinogen. When you choose propane, that cloud of black smoke is gone.
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Now, in general, propane buses are obviously better for children, but one thing you told me last time, and maybe you can talk about that when you tell us how propane buses are better, is just learning and how the pollutants affect the brain and how it’s better for kids to learn when they aren’t breathing in pollutants on the way to school every morning.
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Yeah, these buses have been around for 15 years, so there’s been a lot of study done on all facets of it. And one of the studies I think that was most interesting to us is children riding to school in low-emission buses tested higher in math and science.
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That’s crazy.
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We saw that study. We saw that study peer-reviewed by a second group. And now, after years of that study and talking with nurses about it, two factors. One, children just get a chance to ride to school in a cleaner bus They’re not affected by asthma, bronchitis. They go to school more days. Clearly, that’s a fact of it. The other fact, and teachers tell us this every day, is when they go to school in a quieter bus, they came to school calmer. They got into learning mode faster. And it doesn’t really matter whether it’s first grade or twelfth grade. It happens to the children that giving them a calmer way to school starts their morning better. And so it’s a fascinating journey for them in a cleaner and quieter bus that gives them an advantage in their education.
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Well, I think we all know that cleaner fuels have less impact on the environment. So can you talk about that as well? Because we all know the black cloud coming out of the back of the bus isn’t good for the environment. I mean, that’s a given.
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Yes, we’ve talked a lot about the health impacts on a child. Lastly, these buses are better for the environment. They’re lower greenhouse gas output. And in many places where people will say, gosh, I think the only way to a cleaner climate is perhaps by choosing a battery electric bus. In many cases, these buses powered by propane are cleaner than electric buses when you take into account how electricity is made, transported, and stored. The other issue we love to talk about, even as we talk about electric buses, and I firmly believe buses of the future will be powered either by propane or by electricity, is But the real culprit here to the environment, the real culprit to a school system, are the older, dirty diesel buses. Because a propane bus costs one-fourth the cost of an electric bus, that whole system can get rid of those diesel buses four times faster. Okay. Save even more money, reduce their pollutants even more. And so even when we think about the most modern of fuel choices, propane versus battery electric, Choosing propane is often the right choice.
SPEAKER 07 :
So propane bus, a quarter of the price of an electric bus. How common are these propane buses now?
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Well, I’m happy to say that there are 22,000 buses operating across the country, transporting 1.1 million children every day, and they’ll bring them back safely home tonight. But there are over 400,000 yellow school buses that still operate on diesel. So we’ve come a long way. We have a long way to go. And I think it’s time for parents to act. We have the facts. It’s time to learn the facts, talk to school system, and then let’s go ahead and make that next step in giving our children the ride they deserve to school.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and start getting it on the docket to make propane an option for their next school bus purchase and to start changing over. So how do we get involved and how do we get more info?
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Well, we created a website for parents. It’s called betterourbuses.com, betterourbuses.com. And it’s a place for parents to go to learn the facts, to learn information, how to engage, where to engage. One of the other interesting parts of our survey showed that once parents learned the facts, they were 90% more likely to engage with other parents and begin to start a conversation that needed to happen. So betterourbuses.com is where you can learn those facts.
SPEAKER 07 :
Excellent. Always great to talk to you, Tucker.
SPEAKER 02 :
Have a great school year. Thank you so much. Nice to hear your voice, and hope you have a great fall. You too.
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Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
