In this episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush dives into a spirited discussion about the current dynamics within the GOP and how personalities like Megyn Kelly have revitalized the party’s spirit. With insights from Mandy Gunasekara, former chief of staff at the EPA, the conversation highlights how traditional media figures are transforming their roles to make political discourse engaging and vibrant. Understand the shift from professional seriousness to genuine enjoyment spearheaded by Trump’s influence. Guest Mandy Gunasekara sheds light on environmental policy myths, discussing her experience in Washington’s deep state and her book, ‘Y’all Fired’. She brings
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And we were talking in the last hour. Got a guest we’re trying to reach. If we get her, great. If not, we’re going to continue on. We were talking in the last hour just about, you know, how the GOP needs to be fun again in Colorado. And reality, one name that we were talking about at the top of the hour you guys couldn’t hear that really has become very fun on our side. And I was not a big fan for the longest time. I was very… against megan kelly because i didn’t like the way her and trump were going at it and i was i was actually on trump’s side because i thought megan kelly was being very petty and a lot of the things that were that were happening at that time and so i was very much on his side not her side but she’s another person andy that i forgot to mention that i think in today’s environment she has really come out of her shell trump did that for her i believe and she is a ball of fire she’s a blast
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and Megyn Kelly was always very professional, very smooth, an incredible interviewer. However, she was stiff back then in the Fox days compared to how she is now. Now, and you could say, well, it’s because she gets to do her own thing. No, it’s more than that. Trump, her embrace of Trump, and I’m not just saying this because, oh, gee, she agrees with my guy. She’s MAGA. Way to go. No, no, no, no, no. He has loosened her up. Trump has loosened her up. She has realized that, OK, you know, having to be this incredibly professional news person, she can actually just have fun because Trump has injected fun into our party.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree with that.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it has had no bigger impact than with somebody like Megyn Kelly. She is fun now. She is far more relaxed when she does her show than ever before. And it’s a real difference we needed here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 08 :
And we have Mandy Gunasekara. Make sure I say that right. Mandy, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m doing great, and you said it perfectly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, well, that’ll be the last time, so we’ll just call you Mandy from this point on. No, I’m just kidding.
SPEAKER 13 :
Perfect, perfect.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you very much. You’re former chief of staff at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, under the Trump administration, and you’re author of Y’all Fired, A Southern Bell’s Guide to Restoring Federalism and Draining Energy. And you have literally blown the lid off of some of the things going on environmentally speaking. And we are one that’s with you. We feel like a lot of this whole environmental movement is nothing but a big scam.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, at the heart of the scam is trying to make people who don’t believe in it feel like they’re a bad person or contributing to some catastrophic climate outcome in the not too distant future. But none of that is true. And, you know, a lot of what has recently come out on the policy side with President Trump and Administrator Lee Zeldin over at the EPA, we started work on this the last go round, but just couldn’t quite get it over the finish line. So the announcements, the blowing the lid off of the The Green News scam and all the climate shenanigans, it’s really important for President Trump coming through on a lot of his promises to make life more affordable again, to establish energy dominance, which energy independence is a part of that, bring back jobs and opportunity here in the United States.
SPEAKER 08 :
Talk to us for really quick. Sorry, Annie, but talk to us really quick. You said something I think is really key that the other side seems to either forget or they choose to ignore, and that is the cost. of a lot of these things that go on environmentally speaking. I’ve always said that literally it really comes down to they want to take money out of one person’s pocket and put it in somebody else’s. It’s the fleecing of America is what I always say, even to listeners that will comment on this at times. And I’ll get some evil text messages occasionally from the left. And literally I call this nothing more than the fleecing of America. Talk about how those costs infiltrate their way in and what it really does cost the American public.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, well, you know, there’s so many different forms of the various costs, but we can look at the regulations, for example. At EPA, they have concocted an entire scheme of quote-unquote greenhouse gas regulations aimed at controlling everything from vehicles, what vehicles we have available in the marketplace and you can drive, to what types of energies are integrated into the broader electrical grid. Those costs come in regulatory costs, which are basically a hidden tax. There’s one report that came out that said for every regulation that boils down to about twenty five thousand dollars per U.S. citizen over the life of that regulation. So talking about thousands of dollars, these are costs maybe you don’t directly you don’t directly miss. But then it also comes in the form of on the energy front, increased electricity prices. higher costs at the pump, and then that obviously impacts anything dependent on transportation like goods and groceries that you pay at the store. So it really manifests itself on the cost side in a number of really harmful, unnecessary ways.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mandy, I’ve been especially enjoying Trump’s recent attacks on windmills. Now, for me, this is a wonderful thing. I despise windmills with a passion with the heat of a thousand suns. And so it’s been fantastic. What brought this about, though? He never railed about windmills like this until now.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, well, you know, he’s a real estate developer at heart, you know, and he likes to, he really cares about the way things look in the skylines, and he’s actually talked about it for quite some time, but you’re right, he has really honed in on it recently, how they really change the landscape, the windmills do, and they’re usually in some of these otherwise pristine and really precious ecosystems, whether it’s the tops of mountains or out in the beaches on the landscape, and so You know, I think it’s a combination of how inefficient these technologies are and that they were forced on the American people. But but so they’re not worth it from an energy output perspective. But then also that, you know, from his perspective, they really muddy the horizon in some really beautiful places across the country.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I got to be honest, there are so many windmills in Iowa. If they were propellers, the entire state could fly. So it is really amazing to see. Here’s what I want to ask, Mandy. What about young people? OK, how do we convince young people? of the scale of just how little energy is produced by windmills, for instance, with the amount of land it takes and the amount of wreckage that it is to get rid of them, but how little energy they produce compared to, say, a natural gas well.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, it’s significant, and I think it’s just explaining the facts to them. You can take a natural gas plant and you can power tens of thousands of homes taking up, let’s say, two square miles of actual land use, or the equivalent of that for windmills is going to be multiple acres of land use. So there’s a very… significant discrepancy from a visual perspective of how much land use is required to develop out energy, but then it’s not going to be able to reliably or affordably provide the same type of power for natural gas.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Talk about your book for a moment, if you would. Y’all fired a Southern Bell’s Guide to Restoring Federalism and Draining the Swamp. You talk about a lot of things that are in the book. Give us a few. I always ask this. I mean, this one’s pretty easy. Why did you write the book? I think that was pretty self-explanatory. But tell us what’s in the book.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so there’s three main parts. The first part is my anecdotal experience with the deep state. It’s everything from how they put me up in a sex hotel in Germany when I was going to negotiate a different outcome after advising the president to get out of the Paris Climate Accord. Examples of how far the deep state would go not to just stop President Trump’s policies, but to demean, demoralize and discredit his appointees like myself. The second part of the book is really a deep dive of how did we get to a point where the unelected bureaucrat has more sway than the American voter, which lies in the face of our constitutional republic. And finally, the best part, what do we do about it? Good news, the Department of Government Efficiency has embraced a lot of those policies and is really trying to, once and for all, shrink the size and scope of the federal government to restore the role of the individual American voter.
SPEAKER 08 :
Knowing the inside of things like you do, and Andy and I do not, so you’ve been there, you know this firsthand, how many years and will it take a decade to get this stuff cleaned up? In other words, can it be done quickly or is it going to be a decade?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, this is a long-term play. And one of the things I talk about is the Supreme Court. It took over 50 years of conservatives really trying to build out an originalist Supreme Court versus activists. And so we have to have the same mentality as the general public when it comes to fixing the federal bureaucracy that’s been growing for decades.
SPEAKER 08 :
And thank you for saying that, by the way. I appreciate that. And as much as I love Elon Musk and I think he’s a great guy, I think he did a lot in getting Doge off the ground and all of that. I fear that he became very frustrated with the slow movement of what happens in Washington, which, by the way, I am the same. I don’t like how slow the wheels of motion are. I wish things could happen faster, but I’m a realist and I know and I think this is where Elon and I are a little bit different, even though he’s a lot smarter than I. I think I have a better idea of what happens in Washington than he does, and I just wished for one second that he would slow down a little bit and realize that while all these things need done, they’re not going to happen in my time frame as quickly as it would if I was to say something in my company called Starlink or SpaceX or Tesla or whatever. In other words, he’s used to snapping his fingers and getting things done. It doesn’t happen that way in Washington.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that’s right. And it’s frustrating for everyone who’s involved. But, you know, the most important thing was someone like President Trump who had the courage to change the direction in a really significant way. And he’s delivering on that. And then it’s going to be up to many generations of conservatives to continue down this path of ensuring balance, checks and balances. And again, to shrink the size and scope in the federal government instead of it being on this perpetual path of taking over and constant growth.
SPEAKER 08 :
You took the words out of my mouth. This is something that we have to continue down now. Question I have, because I think this is one of the things that we suffer from at times in the GOP. Andy and I were just talking about this during the last hour, and that is sometimes our messaging and our communication isn’t that great. And I think this is one area that I think we need to shore up. including a lot of what you’re talking about. We need to do a better job of even talking about some of the things you just mentioned. How are we shrinking the size of government? What is happening in some of these different departments? How are we lowering your costs as a consumer and as a citizen at the end of the day? That’s one area, Mandy, that I don’t think we do a good enough job in.
SPEAKER 13 :
I agree, and I think that was one of the great legacies of Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency was the first audit that they did where they put the waste, fraud, and abuse, something Republicans do talk about a lot, but they put it in very real terms and they communicate it in a way that everyone can see and they can understand. EPA shouldn’t have $20 billion in some off-campus slush fund to just give to their political allies, you know, and USAID and the Department of Education, on and on and on. And so, yeah, I think… Republicans, from a policy perspective, we are on the side of reason, fact, and reality, and we shouldn’t shy away from embracing that across the board.
SPEAKER 08 :
Mandy, where do folks get your book?
SPEAKER 13 :
The Best Way is on Amazon or Barnes & Noble.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. I’d love to have you back. This has been great. I appreciate it. You speak the very same language we do, and it’s nice to hear that, and especially somebody that’s been on the inside where we get a little bit of an inside edge. I appreciate your time today. Thank you very much, Mandy.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, thank you so much for having me.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Wonderful interview, by the way, we just had by somebody that was inside of the EPA, knowing full well some of the things that Andy and I rail on and talk about on a weekly basis. You literally, Andy, heard that from the horse’s mouth. So it was very nice to hear from her.
SPEAKER 10 :
It was great to hear.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. So back to, by the way, she’s somebody that makes the GOP fun. She sounds fun. Am I right? Oh, yeah. I mean, we need more of that is my point. How come we don’t have more of that?
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, one of the big problems, John, especially here in Colorado, is what they they they replace fun with young. So they feel anybody who’s young and Mandy is I don’t know. She seems like late 30s, early 40s, early 40s, young to you and I. Yeah, that’s young to you and I. But the thing is, John, they bring in a lot of these young people and these young people are just as bad as the old people.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because of the ones they bring in, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re correct. They believe— They’re meanies.
SPEAKER 10 :
Look, I’ll just say it. Yes, I’m going to just say it. Some of the craziest people in our party in Colorado are young. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, because they’ve been trained by the old crazy people.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sorry. But they have been.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. And there are people who they think it’s some kind of a simple equation. Just add youth and stir. And that’s going to make it fun. And young people are going to be fun. As long as these conservatives are young, they’re going to be more fun. It’s just like, first of all, they’re going to be far more prone to saying really stupid things that they’re going to want to retract. And secondly… Young doesn’t equal fun. Sometimes older is fun. Sometimes younger is fun. Rush Limbaugh just died a couple years ago, okay? But up to the last moment he drew his last breath, he was fun. Okay? Yep. It doesn’t matter. You can be old and fun. You can be young and fun. You know who’s the funnest person in the party right now is Donald Trump. He’s 80.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. Good point, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s not a young thing. Or you can have Charlie Kirk, who’s fairly young, and he’s fun. All right? It can go both ways. And so I guess what I’m trying to tell people is this. Don’t look for youth and say, we’ve got to inject youth. We’ve got to inject youth. We’ve got to inject youth. No. You know what, John? Let’s take that out and say we’ve got to inject fun. And that fun can come in any package it wants.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t care. There’s a lot of young people, even on the left, Andy, that aren’t fun.
SPEAKER 10 :
No. They’re not fun at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just because they’re young doesn’t mean, no offense, AOC, not fun. Right. Actually, she’s dumb and not fun.
SPEAKER 10 :
When AOC first came on the scene, I will say this about her, though. While she was obviously not very bright, she had a very fresh personality, and I like that. She doesn’t anymore. She’s really been absorbed into the board. Swamp or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, and now you’ve got the new angry one from Texas. I forget her name offhand.
SPEAKER 08 :
She’s awful. Her and Trump are always going round and round.
SPEAKER 10 :
She’s just a rage machine.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s all she is.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s nonstop rage. That’s it. And I will say this. Mamdani, his delivery… He’s young. Well, it’s not just young. Forget that. He could be 87 and saying… It’s the way he delivers. He has the best delivery I’ve seen from the Democrats since Obama. Okay? He has a delivery. We have… And he’s going to be the mayor in New York. And he’s going to run it into the ground. And by the way, that’s going to look very good for us. So we’re going to capitalize on this when he does that. But we on the right… Those people are so stupid, Andy. Yeah. We on the right, we have some national voices. We have some national examples of being more fun. We don’t have them here in this state. Derek Wilburn is the closest I’ve seen in our state, okay? Somebody who is just naturally charismatic, you know, and obviously he’s got issues he’s dealing with in his family, nothing moral, just health issues. Health-wise, yeah. Yeah, and that’s unfortunate, but right now we don’t have anybody on our side who can light it up, who lights up a stage, lights up a microphone, lights up a show. Nobody. And the one…
SPEAKER 08 :
And you don’t want to know partially why, I think.
SPEAKER 10 :
Why?
SPEAKER 08 :
We’ve run all the good ones off. Probably. We’ve worn out anybody that did have any kind of pizzazz, charisma, things along those lines. Andy, I’m sorry to say, but over the past, oh gosh, four to six years or so, maybe longer than that, we’ve literally, the no fun league of our party, the angry Davidians, have run them all off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. I mean, when people think about the Republican Party here in Colorado, the people outside our party, the independents, they don’t think about Bretta Horne and the new people in charge. They think about the Davidians. They think of us as the angry people saying, get off my lawn, get out of our primaries, get away. You’re the one ruining all this. You’re the problem that we aren’t. We’re perfect. We’re sinless. We’re flawless. You’re the problem. And they look at our party as definitely the no fun party. And it’s kind of crazy because nationally it’s the opposite. Nationally, people are looking at the Democrats as the no fun party. They’re the ones who want to say, you got to have, you know, you got to live. You can only drive the car we want you to drive. You got to use green energy. You got to do this. You got to do that. Here’s how you live your life. Well, Republicans under Trump are saying, hey, live it up. Let’s go to let’s go to see the fights tonight. Okay. Yep. There’s none of that here in Colorado. None. Why? You know, the closest one who comes to it, the closest one. And it’s somebody who I believe has made some real mistakes. Lauren Boebert. She’s the closest one to fun. Can’t argue that. She is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I can’t argue that.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I don’t find Lauren Bober to be a good or a bad speaker. I find her just to be pretty good. Yeah, she’s average.
SPEAKER 08 :
She’s pretty good. She’s fine.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mark Baisley, I find to be a pretty good speaker.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, Lauren’s gotten better as time has gone by, by the way. I’ll give her credit there. She’s much better now than she was six years ago or so.
SPEAKER 10 :
Much smoother.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, obviously she had her night out, which is, you know, let’s face it, that’s going to tarnish her going forward. It is. But not with me. I don’t care. You know, I just care how she votes. But I’m just talking about the general audience. Look, we have no fun in our party. Our party is led nationally by a guy who is not in any way, shape or form smooth. He says wrong things that can be picked apart every day because he just doesn’t put it well. Now, his vice president is opposite of that. Is the opposite of that. And that’s why the Democrats are in a lot of trouble come 28. Because they’re going to have to face against… It’s almost certainly going to be Vance Rubio. Okay? Both of whom are incredibly smooth. Never make a misstep. Say everything perfect. And know how to just debate you into the ground.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay? They have not had to face that for three elections. And now they’re going to have to face that going forward. But… Trump brought the fun.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
Trump brought… He brought the fights. He brought… He got us into MMA. Those guys wouldn’t have. Right. Even though they’re very… Look, they’re both fun-loving guys and everything, but Trump is different. He doesn’t care.
SPEAKER 08 :
So how do we… Because this is one of the risks that you’ve got with the whole MAGA movement, which it’s a great movement.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
But the risk you run is it can become, and it kind of got this way even over some of the Epstein stuff, which let me remind everybody, like I said, is in the rearview mirror now. Yes, I know people keep trying to drag it back up, but the reality is it’s pretty much in the rearview mirror. There might be some things still released yet, but at the end of the day, that thing’s going to be in the rearview mirror with literally a speed bump when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they’re going to hold all the interviews and so forth.
SPEAKER 08 :
But at the end of the day, it’s not a big issue. So reality is we’ve still got some folks, though, in the MAGA, you know, the Marjorie Taylor Greens, who, by the way, just need to go away. Yes. We can dovetail into her. But she’s the no fun league of the party, which she’s the angry part of the party. And there’s a lot like her. We somehow need to distance ourselves from that type of individual in the party so that the middle looks at us and says, oh, yeah, these guys are having a lot of fun. No offense. MTG does not look like fun. No. Does she?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, she looks like Matt Gaetz.
SPEAKER 08 :
No fun also.
SPEAKER 10 :
She’s Matt Gaetz in heels.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, no fun.
SPEAKER 10 :
Anger. Rage. She’s a protester holding a position.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay? And this is what Matt Gaetz became. By the way, I would personally like it if Matt Gaetz were the one handling the Russian collusion or legal end of this. He might be. Special prosecutor. I wouldn’t be surprised. Just so you know. Okay. Whatever. Yeah, but that’s what he’s good at. Keep him out of limelight. Yeah, but just don’t be leading us politically because you’re a rage fest. People don’t want the rage fest. This is what’s hurting the Democrats right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Some on our side do. But in Colorado, it’s hurting us. Yeah, but some on our side want that rage because they’re full of it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Full of rage.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Jared Polis is not a charismatic guy, but he doesn’t come off rage-filled. We do know.
SPEAKER 08 :
And so by default, he comes off as the nice guy. And by the way, this is something that we’ll have to think about when it comes to the governor race here in Colorado, because the two that you’ve got running, what I believe will be the top two. And it’s going to come down to what is going to be wiser. Bennett. I would almost tell you right now that Bennett will most likely pull ahead, but Weiser’s going to use some of what he’s done with lawsuits against Trump and, you know, I’m trying to make your life better as a Coloradan and blah, blah, blah. He’s going to play that card, which, by the way, he’s got a one-up on Bennett on that end of things because he’s got some more local flair. The problem is he’s not as well-known. Michael Bennett is a lot more well-known in Colorado just because he’s been our senator for a long time. He got that position by default, by the way. He never really was even elected the first time. But the reality is he’s that guy. And we screwed up badly the last time around in the election when it was O’Day running against him because we couldn’t get our crap together on our side of the aisle. So in turn, Bennett ended up being your guy that’s now senator. And then you’ve got also Hickenlooper. But the reality is Bennett is most likely going to be unless we hate to say it this way. Unless we’ve got some sort of formidable candidate running against Michael Bennett that can outspeak him, because that’s not going to take a lot because he’s not a great speaker. No, he’s not. We’ve seen that many, many times. It’s not going to take a lot to be a better speaker than him.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s also a lousy debater, but nobody cares about the debates.
SPEAKER 08 :
Nobody cares about that on the governor’s side. The one thing Michael Bennett will do that no one else, no one else, even on our side can do is raise money. That guy will have millions upon millions of dollars in the coffer to do things that no one else will have, including Phil Weiser.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and John, he has another big advantage. Michael Bennett is boring. Okay, he’s a very, very boring guy. He’s a lousy debater. He is the anti-Marco Rubio.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, he is. He’s the anti-J.D. Vance. But he is also not a rage guy. He doesn’t come off enraged at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
He comes off as a nice guy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right now, the Colorado Republican Party… With all due respect to Britta, I know she’s in charge of it. I got news for you. The Coloradoans do not see our party as Britta Horne.
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
They see our party as Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 08 :
Correct. We need a facelift.
SPEAKER 10 :
We need a facelift.
SPEAKER 08 :
Big time. That’s very well put, John. We need a facelift. In a fast way. Yeah, it needs to happen quickly.
SPEAKER 10 :
We got to become fun. And by the way, John, I’m sorry, we got to go.
SPEAKER 08 :
Go ahead. You’re fine.
SPEAKER 10 :
How can we become we can’t become fun if we are whining about getting people out of our primaries, even if it’s look, I believe the principle of it is correct. Only Republicans should choose Republican candidates. And I understand that. Guess what? That ship has sailed. Quit talking about it. Yeah, that ship has sailed. We lost the vote. Quit talking about it. And if you force them out, you’re forcing out the very people who are half the voters in our state.
SPEAKER 08 :
Despite what some of you think, I’ll close with this before we go to our break. Despite what some of you may think, some of you hardcore folk that are on the right, if you proceed down that path and you keep going, you’ll never get this state back. You’re done. I agree. If you keep going down that path, you’re done. So my word to you all is shut up. Stop talking about it. I know it’s a big deal to some of you. Fine. Whatever. I get it. But there are some times when you’re having battles and arguments. where the best thing to do is to just shut your mouth. Don’t talk about it any longer. Because at the end of the day, you’re not going to win with that argument. This is one of those examples. I’m sorry to say, but stop talking about it.
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Even if you succeed in getting them out of your primary, you will lose.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’ll never win again. You’re done. So that’s my advice to all of you is stop talking about it. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. As I said earlier, Dave is up in the Cheyenne area right now as we speak. If there’s any of you up there that need roofs, a couple of you have sent me some messages saying, yep, I’m going to need a roof. Call Dave now. Don’t even call your insurance company. Talk to him first. 303-710-6916.
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, Andy and I talking about… How to make the Colorado GOP fun again. Okay. So we talk about, you know, let’s make America great again. We need a tagline for Colorado where, you know, let’s make Colorado fun again. Okay. That needs to be a tagline for Colorado. And this might be a little bit difficult to get done, but I think it’s the only way you’re going to have it happen here in Colorado, Andy. First of all, you’ve got to find the person that could lead this charge. Right. Right. And then Britta needs to make a position, doesn’t have to be paid, but Britta needs to make a position, give this person some, quote, unquote, recognition and authority to be that particular person, call the position whatever you want to. You’re in charge of the fund department. I don’t know. You come up with some catchy phrase, some catchy name of what they’re now going to be. in charge of, but literally getting somebody that’s got that type of a persona, somebody that’s got the ability to go around to some of the different meetings, team up with Brady, even go meeting to meeting to meeting, hold their own meetings and so on, but be in charge of changing the face of the party, making it fun again. You’re going to have to create a position with that person in charge to get that done. That’s my opinion. Am I right or wrong?
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re right. One person, and this will kind of surprise you, is a gay Republican. Here in Colorado, his name is Garrett Flicker.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Garrett has probably the biggest, funnest personality of any Republican in the state.
SPEAKER 08 :
Then you take somebody like him.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s like 30 tops.
SPEAKER 08 :
He’s like 27. You sit down, put a little game plan together with him. You release him to go do this, and off you go. That’s what you’re going to have to do. It’s the only way, Andy, that I think you’re going to make things happen along those lines. I’m sorry. I love Britta, and if you’re listening, Britta, I love you and all of that, but the reality is you can’t be the leader That’s in charge of a lot of the other things that happen inside of the party, budgetarily speaking, things like that, so on and so forth. You can’t be that person and be the fun person at the same time. No. Now, you can be fun and coincide with this particular person, but you need somebody separate from you to go do this.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, perfect example, Mike Johnson. Yep. He’s the head of the House majority. He’s not a fun guy, but he works great with fun. He doesn’t mind. He is a very—I mean, he’s as boring and straight-laced as they come.
SPEAKER 08 :
And he’ll tell you that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Even the way he lives his life. I’ve read stories about him. By the way, for those of you listening, as far as a speaker goes and what he does, even in how he travels, the hotels he stays in, what he does with his salary, the charities that he helps, and so on, those of you that are on our side that criticize him, you don’t know him very well, and you need to stop criticizing him. Because the reality is he’s probably one of the most genuine individuals you’ve ever had inside of that particular seat ever.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I think he’s done a fantastic job. By the way, Marjorie Taylor Greene hates him.
SPEAKER 08 :
She’s an idiot. She is. Sorry, she’s an idiot.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, she needs to go. And what I mean is this. She’s talking about possibly wanting to leave the party.
SPEAKER 08 :
We’re all just a bunch of… Can I open the door for you there, Marjorie? Yeah. I’d love to. Can I open the door for you?
SPEAKER 10 :
I was joking with Jersey Joe on the phone, and I was saying, Joe. Marjorie Taylor Greene is thinking about leaving the party now. You know, I’m a religious man. What kind of sacrifices do I need to offer to God to make this happen? Do I have to offer all livestock? Or does God take Visa? What will it take to get her out of the party? Anyway, she hates Mike Johnson. Mike Johnson’s doing a phenomenal job. By the way, John Thune, another boring person, is doing a phenomenal job in the Senate. He’s in a terrible position.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I think even both those guys, by the way, Mike Johnson especially, would just say, yeah, you guys are right. I need somebody around me that’s going to be fun because I’m not that guy.
SPEAKER 10 :
But Trump is that guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
So we need that guy in the GOP in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
We need to find – and it could be a gal. It could be a guy. I don’t think it makes any difference one way or the other. And, by the way, it could be a team. I think, Britt, if you’re listening, it could also be a combination of maybe two or three different people. It doesn’t have to just be one person, but it has to be one unified talking point constantly as to how are we going to make the Colorado GOP fun again. We’ve got to shed – This whole identity of us not being fun. We’re the angry party. We’re the party that hates everybody. We hate the fact that you’re voting in our primaries. On and on we go. You’ve got to shed all of that some way, somehow.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, John, the bottom line is this. We can’t be a protest group anymore. And that’s what we… We were a protest group for the last couple of years. And I can tell you, Britta is trying to even placate that crowd by playing into… Okay, I’ll help us get… We’re going to have a lawsuit and try to get out of the open primary.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just stop.
SPEAKER 10 :
Britta, we love you. We think you’re terrific. And by the way, Britta is a very fun-loving person.
SPEAKER 08 :
She is. But you can’t be the leader and do this position, by the way.
SPEAKER 10 :
You can’t be the leader and do this position. And by the way, Britta, we can’t be a protest group anymore. Coloradans don’t want us to be a protest group.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s not working. Just stop. Just don’t even go down that path. Stop. Continue on. Stop. You’re not going to win anyway, so stop. Don’t waste your time. Concentrate on things you know you can win. You’re not in that one.
SPEAKER 10 :
We are the party of MMA. We are the party of a sexy girl in jeans. Right. Okay? We are the party of Greg Gutfeld. Get with it. But we’re not in Colorado. No, not in Colorado. We are the party. We’re the party of fun. They’re the party of you need to drive an electric car. They’re the party of that girl in those jeans is fat shaming us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Which, by the way, electric cars are very fun, just most people don’t know that because they’ve never driven one.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but I don’t want to be forced to. Actually, I think electric cars are great.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re fun. They’re a blast, actually.
SPEAKER 10 :
But you know what I mean?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I get it. But don’t force them on anybody.
SPEAKER 10 :
You have to drive this kind of car. We’re the party of you have to speak this certain way. You cannot use these certain words. You’ve got to do this. You’ve got to walk here, walk there.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I want to use the electric car for an example real quick.
SPEAKER 10 :
We’re the party of wanting, we wish you were masked until you were 90.
SPEAKER 08 :
But you just brought up a great point, and this is something our side, and I’ve been critical of our side along these lines. Just because you don’t like the way electric cars were introduced to the population because of what the left did doesn’t mean they’re bad. No. And every time all of you out there listening talk. Just a product. Really quick. All of you out there that are listening that talk bad about them, guess what you’re doing? Those independent voters that drive one, you’ve just now alienated them. Yeah. So stop doing that. Quit having that animosity towards something that, frankly, you know is very little about because you’ve never driven one. Stop doing that.
SPEAKER 10 :
And who’s the perfect example of this is Donald Trump. What did he say? Electric cars are bad. No, he said, Donald Trump said, drive what you want.
SPEAKER 08 :
Drive what you want. And he bought one. So again, for all of you that are on our side that are critical of those, I’m critical of how they’ve been presented. I’m not critical of the cars themselves. I’m critical in the fact that government and the left shoved them down everybody’s throat. But the reality is there’s a lot of people out there, good, solid people that will vote on our side, but stop alienating them by talking bad about EVs. John, when I go out speaking around… And by the way, Andy, that’s part of this whole fun movement that our side needs to do. That’s a communication piece that that particular person we’re talking about needs to go around to all of these different meetings and talk about and instruct people about.
SPEAKER 10 :
When I go around the state and I speak, which I haven’t done in a while. I’ve got to get back out there. I’ve been too busy. But when I do… I teach them these things. Number one, always put the customer first, not you. Right. Okay. Put them first. What matters to them? Because that’s going to dictate what’s fun. Correct. Okay. You aren’t. They are. Right. Okay. Number two, I want you to learn three simple words, and two of them are the same word. This should be easy. You do you. Mm-hmm. That is the biggest, that’s called self-government, okay? You do you encapsulates republicanism. You do you, okay? And so you look at people and just say, you do you. No, no, no, no, no. It isn’t, I want to make you live like me. It’s you do you. Well, I like an electric car. Great. You do you. Just don’t make this person over here do it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Okay. Just don’t make that person have to pay for it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And next I say, memorize this. I want to control my own life, not yours. Okay. You learn these things and then put them in all of what you say. And always put the customer first. Always sell to them. Always put their needs first. And then you start doing it on issue after issue after issue after issue. And guess what? Before you know it, you’re making them into conservatives.
SPEAKER 08 :
The reality, though, folks, that what you have to realize is you and yours are not the customer. No. You’ve bought in. You’re already sold, folks. You’re in the group. You’re in the party already. So those of you that think it’s so important to stand by this and stand by that, while all of that is, keep in mind that doesn’t sell to those that we need to bring on board. So it’s like, let me give you an example. Some of you are church-going people that are really on the hard right, which, by the way, is great. I’m glad that you are. We are. But sitting down and talking about, you know, rapture theology— is not going to bring somebody that doesn’t know Christ, that’s not going to bring somebody into the fold. The gospel at that point to them means nothing if all you’re going to talk about is when’s the rapture going to take place, by the way. At the end of the day, that person doesn’t even know what it is and doesn’t care what it is at that point. They want to know the basics of what do I need to do to become a Christian. Am I right, Andy? You are right. So concentrating on things, by the way, that are very important to you and might even be very important theologically speaking, at the end of the day, isn’t helping that person move from point A to point B. The same is true in politics. And so many of you out there listening right now that are hardcore on the right, you are dead set on being right about X that you forget that you’re talking to the wrong people. You’re preaching to the choir, not to the congregation. True. And you’ve got to stop doing that. Stop preaching to the choir.
SPEAKER 10 :
We’ve got to think beyond the base, but we don’t do that. You think beyond the choir. We only think about the base. Here’s what makes us happy. Therefore, we want that. We want it. Now you will give it to us.
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, talking about how the Colorado GOP needs some life poured into it, literally some fun life poured into it. Because, frankly, we are reaping the repercussions of the No Fun League now for at least two years, if not longer. and the reality is we’ve got to get back to where the independents especially look at us and say oh wow okay wait a minute this is this is different this is not what this party used to be used to be all they were doing was yelling at me to get off off their lawn you know they were the old grumpy old you know clint eastwood in grand torino and man the man alive they’ve changed around they’re not that anymore yeah right now we’re the party that blames people for our bad candidates we only have bad candidates because you vote in our primaries
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re the problem. We’re blaming you. You’re the problem. Look, when we say you do you, hey, you do you. That’s what we’re all about. Live your life, okay? And yeah, we’re going to have some little disagreement. Well, okay, I want to have an abortion. Okay, yeah, I support every choice that doesn’t take away someone else’s choice. It’s very simple. Right. Okay. So we can debate on when you’re taking away someone else’s choice. That’s fine. But guys, bottom line, you do you. Now, what makes it really easy, John, is the other side doesn’t do that. Okay. And so I can look at somebody. I’ve done this with young people. I’ll say, okay, I believe in you do you. I believe I want to control my own life, not yours. So let me ask you something. That young Antifa BLM rioter on the streets, do they believe in you do you? No. Okay, that environmentalist activist, do they believe in you do you? You drive what you want, you do what you want, you live how you want. Do they believe in you do you?
SPEAKER 08 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
You see where I’m going with this? The other side makes this incredibly easy. You do you is fun.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. So why can’t our side understand this, Andy?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I do believe that we have some people on our side who don’t believe in you do you. They want to, as you were saying earlier, they want to impose their religious beliefs. You and I are very devout right-wing evangelical Christians. Right. We have very strong moral beliefs.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I’m not going to shove that down your throat and or stomp you on the head with it, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, because I don’t want my beliefs to be your laws. I don’t want that kind of control in your life.
SPEAKER 08 :
You decide for yourself what you need to do.
SPEAKER 10 :
I like to worship a god, not be one.
SPEAKER 08 :
By the way, if you want help with that, I’m here. I’m all ears. But I’m not going to force it on you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s your choice. In fact, we can be good friends without that. Yeah. In fact, that’s the best way for me to get you to come over to my side is for me to be a good friend of yours. Yes. Right? Oh, absolutely. I mean, how hard is this, Andy?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, John, like I was telling you one time, my best friend at work up at the casinos was a gay guy, a gay liberal. And we’d always joke. I would joke with them. I’d say the one reason I became a Christian is so I could judge people. I really enjoy judging. And it’s just what I want to do. It makes me feel fulfilled. He would laugh and say, actually, I like doing the same thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Like you have a real future. You can have a lot of fun. Just relax, people. Yeah, it seems like our side, and folks, you might say, well, we do have a lot of fun. Not from what I see.
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 08 :
I see what’s on social media. I see what’s on some of the podcasts. I see what some of the people put out in their own videos and so on. Go to the meetings. Yeah, in the meetings. And the reality is, guys, no, you’re not having any fun. It’s one constant bashing of this, bashing of that, over and over and over again. If you don’t believe me, go look at Rhino Watch. Go look at what’s on the website. Look at what they’re talking about there. If you think Andy and I are wrong, just take one little trip down Rhino Watch Lane, and you’ll understand everything I’m talking about. Pure rage. Am I right, Andy? Yes. Yes. I mean, this isn’t that complicated.
SPEAKER 10 :
Guys, it’s so easy. The other side is trying so hard to lose for us, and we won’t let them.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s another thing, by the way. If we’re going to win in Colorado, Rhino Watch needs to go bye-bye. The whole thing, the whole website, all of that needs shut down, gone, depleted. It needs to go away, far, far, far away, and never come back.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. You know why? Rage does not sell.
SPEAKER 08 :
It won’t sell outside our base. I’ll say it this way. The longer Rhino Watch exists, the more we lose.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. It needs to be gone.
SPEAKER 08 :
So those of you that are listening to me that have some sway in that, and I know you listen because I can see by what happens at Rhino Watch that you do listen to us. I know that for a fact.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Rhino Watch needs to go away. If you’re going to win any elections in Colorado in the future, in this next year, 2026, you have to do away with that. It has to go bye-bye.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and what people don’t understand is we hold a lot of the same principles that Rhino Watch does.
SPEAKER 08 :
We agree on a lot of the issues with them. I just have a different way of presenting it than they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Totally different. Okay? We don’t believe that the Republican Party in Colorado should be a protest group.
SPEAKER 08 :
No. They can’t be. You’re not going to win if you do that. No. You’re going to lose. Soundly. Over and over and over and over again.
SPEAKER 10 :
But we don’t have to. John, you do you. Are you telling me that’s hard to say?
SPEAKER 08 :
It is for some.
SPEAKER 10 :
Seems pretty easy to me.
SPEAKER 08 :
But on the same token, I do feel like there are those folks at Rhino Watch, back to your point, they’re no different than the AOCs of the world. Let me use the comparison. They’re no different than the AOCs of the world. You’re right. They want to make sure that you’re doing things their way, not your way. AOC wants the exact same thing. So Rhino Watch and AOC, you guys are in the same camp. You’re just on two different ends of the camp, but you’re in the same campground. You’re just sleeping at different ends of it. That’s all.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. They are Ilhan Omar on our side.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep. They’re just sleeping at different ends of the camp, Andy. Right. They’re in the same camp, different ends.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And if you guys can’t see that, you’re your own problem. You’re your own stumbling block, and you need to get out of your own way because the reality is the longer you guys stay around and have some influence in the party, the worse it gets for us as a party in Colorado. True. I’m being point blank today, folks. Folks, that’s a dead end road. All of this is not going to help us achieve victory in Colorado. I brailed on Dave Williams for two years. Finally, he went away. I now need to see Rhino Watch and those that are behind it go away. And maybe just maybe by then we might have a chance of winning in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Not till then, though. That stuff needs to go away.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and even the people like MTG, Marjorie Taylor Greene, they need to go away or at least change. Lighten up.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re not going to get her to change, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, she isn’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
So she’s got to go away. This is ingrained behavior. So we’ll talk more about this in the coming weeks as we head down the… End of the year, by the way, then head down into election year for 2026. Myself, Andy, and Charlie signing off. You guys have a great evening. Dr. Scott, again, will be on tomorrow. Anything you want him to talk about, please send me a text message. Somebody already did. I can get that off to Scott. Have a great night, though. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
