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Join John Rush as he and his guests explore the impact of woke capitalism on consumers and businesses. This episode highlights the efforts of the FCC under Chairman Brendan Carr and the power of consumer voice in shaping corporate practices. Discover the tools available to consumers to push back against policies they find disagreeable and how organizations are advocating for transparency and traditional American values.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Charlie, of course, is our engineer, Will Hill, joining us now. Will, welcome. How are you today? Doing great. Great to be with you. Thanks for coming and joining us again. Executive Director of Consumers Research. Talk to us about Dish Network.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. This is one of the wokest of the woke. They integrated DEI into their quote here. Everything that they do, they were pushing hard on the transgender ideology nonsense. They started covering, quote-unquote, gender-affirming care in their insurer. And the reason we’re bringing this to highlight right now, obviously there’s a lot of woke companies. There’s been a lot of wokeness over the last five years. But the FCC chairman, Brendan Carr, has jurisdiction over these companies because of the use of the public bandwidth. And he’s been able to leverage that to push them to follow the Civil Rights Act and a number of other civil rights regulations and really the Constitution of the United States in the way that they operate their business. So we wanted to – we issued a woke alert about Dish Network, about the ways in which they were pushing DEI, pushing transgender nonsense, so that – organizations are, I should say, regulators like the FCC could know that when they’re talking to that organization, when they’re talking to DISH and they’re deciding whether they need to be using bandwidth, they need to be looking at these policies and whether they’re in line with government policy.
SPEAKER 09 :
And reality is, and you guys sent a letter to them from Consumers Research, the reality is they’re not following that, are they?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, not at all. And this is our opportunity with Trump in the White House and a chairman at the FCC who takes this seriously, unlike the last one. In fact, I would say under Biden, the chairman probably pushed for this nonsense, right? So it’s now is our opportunity to help Chairman Carr, you know, highlight what are the targets? What should he be bringing up with these companies? And so that’s why it’s so important, the woke alert. But that said, consumers themselves should be reaching out to this company, which is why we always include contact information in the woke alerts that we send out. so that consumers can push back and say, listen, I didn’t know you were doing this. I’m a DISH customer. I’m not really considering you guys re-upping my contract with you now that I know this. That does make a difference. I want to make that clear.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, on your website, you’ve got all sorts of things that – I mean, I knew they were woke, but I didn’t realize they were doing some of the things that they were doing, especially internally. And some of the things, for example, those of you listening, and you can go to consumersresearch.org and look this up as far as what’s going on with – Dish Network, but they, you know, promoted discussion for employees to recognize unconscious biases, discuss diversity, invite drag queens to educate on history and struggles of the LGBTQ plus community, praises transgender parents and kids, employee brags about how he convinced Dish to cover sex change procedures. These are all things you’ve highlighted on your website. Plus, I just went through a few. You’ve got a bunch more here.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right. And it looks like one of the things they did additionally is create so-called affinity groups. They have employee-led diversity networks and interest groups. And this is something we’ve seen in a lot of different companies, where they basically made little clubs inside the companies based on race and sex identity and sometimes sexual orientation. And the problem with that is they were often leveraged. I’m not saying that’s the case in this specific situation, but where we’ve seen these affinity groups formed, they were usually leveraged explicitly by the company in terms of promotion and hiring, which is illegal. So it’s something that the entire government should be looking at this. I mean, Harmeet Dhillon at the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division should look at it. But we wanted to make sure that because Brendan Carr has been so vociferous about how he’s going to use the FCC to make sure the companies under his jurisdiction aren’t engaging in race and sex-based discrimination, we wanted to highlight it for him, which is what led to this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so the folks that are out there listening thinking, okay, well, you know, I’m a dish, you know, I’m a dish network subscriber, which by the way, I was for years and years and years. Well, one of their first subscribers back is their Denver based company. So when they started launching, you know, their satellite service, I got it. And then I finally realized that It just wasn’t, you know, wasn’t getting the value that this is even before the whole DEI end of things and so on. So I haven’t had it for a number of years now. And by the way, if I were one and knew this was going on, I wouldn’t be anyway. So I’m glad that I’m not. But for those folks that are out there listening, so, you know, I’m just a dish subscriber at the end of the day. How does this really affect me? I mean, at the end of the day, I’m just getting my my TV services, quote unquote, you know, provided through them. So who cares?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that’s a great question. It really gets to the core reason why consumers’ research has been pushing back on ESG, on woke capitalism. And here’s the core reason. In addition to all of these activities being grossly un-American, discriminatory, and bad for their employees, when you filter… any company, whether that’s a dish network, whether that’s Boeing airplane manufacturer, as we’ve seen with doors flying off, when you select for something other than talent, something other than skill, when you focus the company on things like race and sex-based quotas and bean counting, the customer experience suffers because the corporation starts focusing on those internal metrics rather than providing quality goods and services. And so if you see a company going, well, I can tell you with metaphysical certainty, it is costing consumers either in terms of price or in the quality of the goods and services that they’re providing. And so that’s one of the big reasons we’re pushing back, because corporations have been focusing on things other than consumers. And we’re the nation’s oldest consumer protection organization. We take an affront to that.
SPEAKER 09 :
So, again, at the end of the day, yes, it does matter. And on top of that, Will, it matters because it’s your money, it’s your subscription that is now going to pay for a bunch of this nonsense, correct?
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Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s exactly right. And that’s another good point to raise is if you are a customer with them and you find this stuff morally questionable, your money is supporting it directly. And so it’s another reason to not want to do business with companies that engage in that.
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Okay, so question for you. When it comes to those of us that are out doing business, and you have choices. In this particular case, there’s lots of choices. You can stream like I do. You don’t have to have any kind of a satellite service at all. You don’t have to have cable. But for those that are looking at these things saying, okay, this is one example. Yes, there’s competition, but aren’t they all the same, Will? Or how do I determine if they are or aren’t? What do I need to do to research that?
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s a great question. That’s one of the reasons we put out our woke alerts is to help notify and help consumers know what’s going on in the marketplace. Unfortunately, a lot of this stuff was ubiquitous across corporate America for various reasons. Now, a number of companies have pulled back, so I don’t want to make it sound like this stuff is inevitable. It’s not. We’ve made huge progress. In terms of what to do as a consumer, what I would say is just keep your eyes open. You can visit us at consumersresearch.org. Sign up for these woke alerts. We have a button right at the top of the page. You can sign up. And use not only your wallet, like you said, stop spending your money with these companies, but we always recommend consumers not forget the power of their voice. And you do not, as a consumer in the marketplace, these people engage in the marketplace to attract your business and your attention. You don’t owe them They owe you. In other words, you should not be shy about telling them what it is you like or do not like about their business. And that’s been a core part of what’s been the pushback. It’s not just the changing and purchasing decisions. It’s also a groundswell of consumers pushing back.
SPEAKER 09 :
Makes sense. And I also noticed, because I’m on your website now filling out a few things and so on, you also have an ability where people, if they find something that’s woke, they can report that.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right. A lot of information has come to us through whistleblowers. Many years ago, we helped get the news out there that State Farm Insurance was pushing transgender ideology books on kids as young as five without notifying their parents. That came to us through whistleblowers. So we have something on our website. If you are at a company and you know something that’s going on, maybe something like what was happening at State Farm or race or sexual-based discrimination in the form of DEI or elsewhere, please reach out to us through the website. It’s anonymous. We’re not going to track you down, but it allows us to understand what’s going on and get the word out on that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Again, Will, I appreciate it. I know you’ve been on before. We’ll keep having you on. As these things come up, continue to let us know. We’ll get you back on and let people know, this one in particular, because it’s in our own backyard. Will Hilde, again, Executive Director of Consumers Research. And we’ll put those links up, by the way, in our show notes for later tonight. But, Will, again, thank you so much for what you do.
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Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate you bringing this to the attention of your audience.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, really quick here. Washington, D.C., okay, Trump’s taken over. Not just talking about crime, but he’s also talking about homelessness. Now, what he’s going to do is have the homeless removed from the streets, period. Amen. Yeah, they can either go to shelters or prison. It’s up to them. And he’s going to have the shelters ready for them. And where they’re going to get the help that they need.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Now, here’s the big thing. After a couple weeks of this, and when you don’t have homeless on the street… And by the way, I think there are three things you should clean up. Homeless, crime, and panhandlers.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think you should get rid of them, too.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know my feelings on that, Andy.
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Okay. Well, after two, three weeks… And the entire nation is watching and seeing a city completely transformed and not having there. By the way, they’re also going to be cleaning things up while they’re doing it and not having the homeless on the streets, not having the crime raging out of control, especially after 10 at night. How is this going to make the Denver mayor look? How is this going to make the San Fran mayor look? Not very good. The Minneapolis mayor, you know, Baltimore and so forth. I won’t just list them all. But, John.
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Chicago, on down the line we go.
SPEAKER 07 :
How can these people keep looking back at their constituents saying we’re doing the best we can?
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re not.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And the homeless problem is one where we are all told how. You know, heartless we are because we say, look, these businesses are paying taxes. They’re the ones keeping your city afloat. It’s the businesses downtown who are paying the big taxes. They’re the reason you still have a city. Okay. And yet you allow, you force them to allow homeless on the sidewalk right in front of their business. Right. Okay. That hurts their business when they’re trying to pay, when they’re paying the bill. Right. Okay. And meanwhile, the mayor, Denver’s mayor and these other mayors are telling them, oh, there’s nothing we can do. What do you think those businesses are going to be saying to the mayor after a few weeks of this in D.C.? ?
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Do you see where I’m going with this? It’s not going to look very good for them. No. At all.
SPEAKER 07 :
And these are – I know all these businesses downtown are pretty much owned by Libby’s. I get that. Okay. These aren’t conservatives. So it’s going to take a while for them to wake up. But at some point, I think they’ve got to wake up. And here’s another question. What is the Republican Party in Colorado going to do to take advantage of this and look at all these businesses and say, hey – Wouldn’t you love to have your city run like this, like D.C.? Shouldn’t the Colorado Republican Party, the Denver Republican Party, the Colorado Springs Republican Party, they now have a Democrat mayor. Well, independent. But shouldn’t these people run? Shouldn’t the Republicans in these areas go to these business leaders and say, hey, wouldn’t you love to have no homeless and no crime right out in front of your business?
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. Yes. You tell me. No, Andy, we should be putting an entire program together, marketing program together to literally, even though I know right now there’s nobody running, that’s not going to happen until 2026. I get all of that. But the reality is. How do we capitalize on what’s going on right now in a moment’s notice? We should be working on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that’s the beauty. It’s not this November. You’ve got over a year to take advantage of this.
SPEAKER 09 :
But you could start now.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. In other words, John, Donald Trump is setting the table for you. Eat.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, there’s a lot of you listening that I think would—and this is something that if I were chair, I would be doing right now. And Britt, if you’re listening, please hear me out on this. There’s enough people out there that can insert enough capital into certain programs. Churches are great at this, by the way. This is something that the Republican Party needs to learn from. Yes, I get it. We’ve got candidates, and we put money toward different candidates and so on. But why can’t—and maybe this is— against the bylaws and you’d have to tell me if this could be done or not but why can’t the republican party the gop of colorado go buy a few billboards around you know the denver area and literally well they can but the money they simply don’t have the money What I’m saying is you put a fundraiser together like churches do constantly. Churches will come across and say, guess what, Andy? The teens are all going to such and such, such and such. We need all of you to chip in a little bit so we can – we need a new shuttle van or we need this or we need that or we need a fund for kids that can’t afford to go to camp so they can – we can give out scholarships for camp and so on. Most people step up and make that happen. Guess what? If you put a campaign together that said, listen, we’re going to capitalize on what’s going on in D.C. right now, and we as a GOP in Colorado are going to put up a few billboards around town that basically talk about how bad Mike Johnston is at running the city of Denver. And look at what Trump’s doing to Denver to bring awareness to that. Why can’t we do that, Andy?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. You could say it could be the we could be like D.C. campaign. OK. And you could hit it from all kinds of various angles. Your kids deserve neighborhoods like D.C. Your your you drivers deserve streets like D.C. Your businesses deserve sidewalks like D.C.
SPEAKER 09 :
So just in tagging is just remember next election vote Republican. Yeah. That’s all you have to say, Andy. It can be that simple. Why can’t we do that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Um, well, here’s what they would have to do. They would have to put this together. I agree. Okay. You’d have to have a mark. It’s not just Andy and John coming up. Okay. Here’s by, by the way, though, those are pretty pithy ways to put it. Okay. We could be like DC, be like DC, be like DC. It’s not that hard to come up with these things.
SPEAKER 09 :
The taglines are easy, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Be like D.C. We can be like D.C., vote Republican. And wouldn’t you love, don’t your kids deserve safe streets like D.C.? Don’t your businesses deserve safe streets like D.C.? Okay. Now, then what they can do is have some graphic artists put together a nice presentation and say, now bring this to the Republicans, the wealthy ones around the area. Right. Andy, it doesn’t even take— And say, we need some donations.
SPEAKER 09 :
We could even say, listen, we need 500 of you out there to give 20 bucks or 50 bucks or whatever the number happens to be. There’s all sorts of ways to do this. I mean, I’ve run so many capital campaigns inside of churches, Andy, that this is so easy to do. It’s not a hard thing to make happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no. No, no, no, no. Of course you totally do that too. I’m just saying you’re also going to have some boardroom presentations to some millionaires.
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course you can. Some of those could write the check for the whole thing, but by the way, you do both because you want that involvement for even that person that wants to get $5 towards that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. That way everybody has it. Everybody feels like, man, I helped make this happen because they did. No, no, I don’t just want the millionaires. Okay. I’m just saying that’s where you can get a bunch of money. You can go to them and say, Hey, Let’s make an impact right now. Let’s take advantage. We have a city that Republicans just cleaned up.
SPEAKER 09 :
So then you can capitalize on that, dovetail into that for the upcoming elections and run off of that. And again, that’s something that as a party whole, you can help every Republican candidate in Colorado. And again, it’s just helping your messaging. And again, you know me, I think we should have training sessions for candidates on what they should actually be focused on and talking about and i get it that some of that’s unique to their particular area somebody that’s running in a lakewood uh contest we’re going to talk to somebody here in a moment by the way but somebody running in a lakewood contest is not going to be the somebody running in mesa county i get that those are two different areas but some things andy are universal some of what we’re even talking about right now homelessness that’s happening across the state almost every city including grand junction is is having that same struggle it doesn’t matter where you’re at in colorado that’s happening all over the state right Those talking points are universal is my point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah. And one thing that’s going to be universal is employees. Don’t your employees deserve safe streets and safe working conditions like D.C.? ?
SPEAKER 09 :
And by the way, is this where you want your tax dollars going? Because this is what it’s really going towards is actually the promoting of, not the handling of. Right. You’re actually promoting homelessness, not helping homelessness.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Another tagline, by the way. There’s so many things you could do along those lines, Andy, that to me, as a party, these are some of the things that we ought to be doing. So again, those of you that are out there in the leadership end of things are listening to me. Please, please figure out a way to get some of this stuff done. And as a side note, doors always open. Andy, I’ve got one of a thousand ideas to help promote things inside of our own state, yet no one ever seems to want to tap into that. I don’t know why. Yeah, me too. Same thing. Why is that? Why do they not want to tap into that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I’ll just say, because they have very connected consultants who become… Who are morons. Well, also because… Did I say that? And they become very protective.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll consult you for free. Just ask me. I know. It’s not that hard, folks. Me too. It’s not that difficult. You don’t need to spend a wad of money to make this happen. Sorry. In fact, I will tell you straight up right now, most political consultants are morons. They have the foggiest idea what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, it’s a different thing. I think a lot of them have some very good ideas on how to— They’re morons, Andy. No, no. I’m just talking on how to deal with the mechanics, the logistics of a campaign and so forth. What they don’t understand is the market because— They don’t know people. Well, because they have not written a check, a paycheck like Donald Trump, like John Rush.
SPEAKER 09 :
They don’t know, Andy. That’s right. They don’t know.
SPEAKER 07 :
They don’t know what your employees are going through. They don’t know what your customers want. They don’t know what the market wants. They don’t understand. All they know about the market is the polling they’ve done.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re right, which is important. I’ll give them credit for some of that. I get that. You need some of that to get your baseline of what you need to do, what direction you need to head, and so on. But when it comes to the actual lock, stock, and barrel of what you need to get done, no, they don’t understand that.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, Trump barely goes by polling.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening today. Joining us now, Karen Gorday. Joining us, Karen, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good. How are you?
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m doing very good. You are running for Lakewood City Council Ward 5. Tell us what’s going on in Lakewood.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, there’s a whole lot going on in Lakewood, but I think the biggest issue that just became the main talking point for campaigns is the rezoning of the entire city.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so explain, because right now they’re home rule, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is correct, and that has not changed. And so there are, at the last count, I think six cities suing the Polis administration for infringing on home rule. And then I believe Thornton is backing it. They released a statement. Lakewood has said nothing. And they have decided, they being city council, have decided to… not just bow to what Polis wants, but go farther and rezone the entire city and allow high density throughout the entire city, including existing neighborhoods.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s a huge change over what it’s been. I mean, I don’t think that’s to be taken lightly. Am I wrong in my thought process?
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re absolutely correct in your thought process.
SPEAKER 09 :
What is the end goal? I mean, outside of trying to pacify the Democrats and Polis, what’s the end goal here, Karen, or do you know?
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m not exactly sure. I know they’ve had roundtables, and of course we have ward meetings, and that question’s been asked. Why are we rezoning? How did we get to this point? Why are we not defending home rule? And we have not been able to get answers. And in fact, we did not have a decent map until mid-afternoon today, and we’ve been asking for maps for months. And yeah, we finally got a decent map this afternoon. So you can actually see what your house is going to be rezoned to.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, what do you mean? Explain this for me, rezoned to, because a lot of people don’t quite get their minds around that. But also, I want to know, how is this going to affect when you bring more density? How will it affect home values and home safety?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a very good question. And we’ve gotten vague answers. So right now, In Jeffco, when the assessors look at houses, everything is R1, R2, R3, you know, residential 1, 2, 3. This new zoning, you’re going to be RLA, RLB, RLC. And then, of course, then you have the mixed use and the commercial, et cetera. We don’t even know how this RL, A, B, and C line up to R3. one, two, and three. What do those mean? So it’s low form residential, medium form, and high form residential. And so that’s been one of the questions is what qualifies as these, you know, to us, the citizens, you know, what qualifies each house in this and how can we get a decent map to see what’s considered rural, what’s considered urban, etc.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And until this afternoon, we couldn’t even see a map. And then now we’re trying to figure out, you know, How was this even, what was the logic in the rezoning of the entire city?
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. And as I asked earlier, I’m always wondering, you know, what’s the end goal here? Because every city has ultimately a goal here as to why they’re doing this, and you always have to ask that question, you know, why? Why change something that’s been okay for X amount of time, and now we’re going to go through and actually rezone the entire city? There’s an end game here, and I guess that’s the ultimate question, is what are they really trying to accomplish? Is it a tax-based thing? Is it just so they can get more density? Is it so they can pacify one side of the aisle? Is it all of the above? I mean, what’s the answer here?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, is it to pack in a bunch of low-end housing that is going to guarantee Democrat dominance for the rest of our lives? There you go, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that could be it. I mean, I can speculate all day long. But even with the rezoning, the setbacks change. So it’s five-foot setbacks on lots. You know, a developer can buy the house right next to yours in a single-family subdivision and scrape it and put a quadplex or a sixplex up and have five-foot setbacks. Oh, yes. And following Denver, no parking minimums.
SPEAKER 09 :
Meaning they could maximize a 10,000-square-foot lot, put up a fourplex with absolutely no parking, so they have to park on the street or do whatever. Who cares at the end of the day? And it wrecks the area. Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. Oh, my. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. No parking minimums? Yes. Okay. We have listeners who don’t live in the city. I live in Aurora. Okay. Let me tell you something. If that were done to my area, it would wreck it. It would just absolutely wreck it. You’d all be overrun. Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And they’re going to come back and say, well, you know, it creates, you know, because we’ve got this housing crisis in Colorado right now. This gives, you know, more affordable housing and this, that and the other. And we’re just trying to meet a demand that’s out there. So Lakewood wants to be a leader as a city in this. And we’re going to set the stage for what other cities can do and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Am I right, Karen?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is absolutely 100% correct. In fact, there was a roundtable last Tuesday, and I attended, and they were going down, and we have this affordability crisis. And I said, well, time out, because this affordability crisis is self-inflicted. You’ve got your friends at the state house that have, you know, it’s the average of, what, 4,300 a year in fees per person? But the maddening thing is, Last November, somehow we de-tabored in Lakewood and Desco, and Lakewood had a $16.4 million excess in taber money. And so my argument was, if we have an affordability crisis, lower the mill levy. And that lowers property tax, and you’re freeing up money, and people have more money to go out and spend and buy goods, and you make it up in sales tax.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Okay, Karen, bottom line messaging. Okay, you’re running for office there, so you have to go to the people and convince them they don’t want this. How do you package this in a way that people can understand? Because most people can’t listen to a 15-minute segment online. unrushed to reason and grasp it all your voters have to know in a few seconds how you are going to save them from what is going to be a very bad situation a situation by the way and you’re on the right side you are fighting for good here because if you don’t if they don’t elect you their home values and their neighborhoods are going to get overrun and wrecked how are you going to prevent
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, part of it, it’s everything. This zoning ordinance is 398 pages, and buried in there, there’s also a tax on property rights. And so your house obviously becomes nonconforming, and that happens over time when new building codes come out and zoning codes come out. But if your house is destroyed, you have 18 months to rebuild or you’ve got to follow all the new codes, which is going to be more expensive. And part of the zoning codes, there are, and I’m not kidding you, it’s almost like the government becomes the HOA. They’re telling you how, you know, how big your front porch can be, how tall your flagpole can be, the size of the planter in the front yard. I don’t want an HOA in my neighborhood, let alone the government being the HOA.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. No, I agree with you 100%. So to Andy’s point, packaging this up. Now, a question I have. Packaging this up so people can understand, the voters can understand. So a question I’ve got is where is this at? In other words, is this something that if you know, when is the election for you? How do you have you know, do you if you get elected, how can you help prevent some of this? Walk us through all of that.
SPEAKER 15 :
So a couple of things. The first reading of the giant ordinance was last night. So what they did was. is they split this up into four different ordinances with hearings starting august 25th and every two weeks with the fourth and final ordinance being heard on october 13th potentially a third reading two weeks later elections are november 4th and so it’s boots on the ground get people to show up at city hall at the next four meetings
SPEAKER 09 :
And when will they actually make a decision on adopting this new rezoning?
SPEAKER 15 :
Potentially right before the election. There was a lot of discussion last night. And the consensus from the city councilors is we do not want this to go to the new city council.
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course they don’t. Of course they don’t. Imagine that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Imagine that. Look, here’s the bottom line. They want to lock in a high volume of people coming in for low-rent housing so that they can have Democrat dominance. It’s that simple. Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 07 :
They want bodies, and they want to do it in a way that’s going to absolutely and utterly destroy the neighborhoods that you would be representing. So how are you going to get these neighborhoods to understand this?
SPEAKER 15 :
Door knocking. I can tell you I’ve already started door knocking to get my petition signed. And that’s the one issue I’m bringing up and explaining, hey, your neighbor across the street sells to a developer. Guess what? This is what happens. And they’re like, whoa, hang on a second. And that’s how I just start talking about all the changes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, Karen, let me tell you something. Another way you’re going to have to do this is money. So in a moment, I’m going to ask you to give us your information. But first, I want everybody listening. If the Karens, and you’re not a Karen, if you know what I mean. Okay. But if the people like Karen Gorday do not hold the line in places like Jeffco, like you are trying to do, guess what? That’s going to become money. a new way to wreck all the, all the cities around the area. Okay. So if you help someone like Karen, you’re helping you wherever you are. And I don’t care if you’re in Arvada or Aurora or anywhere else. If she doesn’t hold the line over there, it’s coming to you next. Karen, how can people help you out?
SPEAKER 15 :
Um, my, uh, campaign website is Karen for Lakewood. That’s K-A-R-E-N-F-O-R Lakewood.com. And that’s how they can help me out. I will tell you that Littleton, they just tried this and the Littleton people banded together and they temporarily stopped it. I believe it’s going on in Arvada as well. So it’s coming to a neighborhood near you very, very shortly.
SPEAKER 09 :
And for all of you listening, Ward 5 in Lakewood, you are the southernmost part. I mean, you’ve got a little bit that borders you on the east in Ward 3, but you’re basically the southernmost part of Lakewood, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
That is correct, yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. And for all of you listening, too, I mean, I think a lot of people, Karen, get this misconception that Lakewood is just an intercity, if you would. It borders some of the other cities that we have around us. But the reality is it goes up into the foothills and so on. I don’t think most people really realize how… how expensive even some of those homes that are on your western edge actually get and the type of people that live there. It’s all not just inner city stuff off of Sheridan, for example.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is correct. So you have, for example, Solterra is on the western portion, and they’re out near Lockheed Martin, and those are million-dollar homes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Right. And there’s there’s a lot of them. So for for those that are listening, I don’t think they really again, I don’t think most people most people think Lakewood and they just think, you know, Denver West or they think Belmar and, you know, that’s Lakewood. And they think all of the surrounding houses and stuff around it. That’s Lakewood. That’s not all of Lakewood.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is correct. You’ve got Green Mountain that has some pretty big single-family homes as well. And that’s the other thing that’s buried in this. If you have to rebuild and you don’t get to rebuild within 18 months, they’re going to limit the size of your house.
SPEAKER 09 :
Do you know how hard it is really quick? I mean, I’m somebody that’s actually lost a home in a fire, and do you know how hard it is to get rebuilt in 18 months, Karen? It’s impossible. It’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s impossible.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even starting in 18 months is impossible.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, even if you’ve got all of the money in the world and you’re not relying on insurance companies and claims and so on, just the cleanup and the rebuild process and so on, it’s not going to happen. That timeline is literally an impossibility on purpose, by the way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, exactly, 100% it is.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, this stuff needs fought. For all of you listening, I’m with Andy. This needs to happen across the board. We need to defeat this across the board. Again, Karen, one more time, what’s your website that folks can go and support you?
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s karen4lakewood.com. Four is spelled out, F-O-R.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, Karen, thank you for letting me know. I know this was really quick today. You went on the website, let us know what was going on. Thank you for joining us as quickly as you have.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 09 :
This is simply Democrat takeover, and you’ve got city council leaders now in Lakewood that are basically trying to control all of it through the processes that Karen just talked about.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, if you send – and by the way, I’ve never met Karen. I don’t know her. I’m not campaign. I’m just saying, if you send a few bucks to Karen for Lakewood, you’re sending it to the front lines.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 09 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And, folks, it’s really important to pay attention to your local politics. I know we focus a lot on things that happen on a statewide basis. We talk about things that happen on a regional or even a national basis. And I cannot stress enough. that you have to watch what’s going on in your own backyard. It is so important to pay attention to that because at the end of the day, Andy, that has a much larger effect upon you than anything Donald Trump is doing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, it really does.
SPEAKER 09 :
Andy, I don’t know how else to say it. It really does. It has a huge impact. This example in Lakewood is huge. If they end up accomplishing what they’re trying to do in Lakewood, that city will be Democrat forever.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and it’ll also be awful to live in.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’ll be a rat hole.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. I guarantee you, here’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to have a bunch of people come in, low rent. You’re going to have a bunch of renters. Bottom line is this. The lawns are going to go to hell all around you. The paint is going to go to hell all around you. You’re going to think, oh, man, in my area, we’d never see homeless encampments. Oh, yes, you will. You are going to see all the worst of the worst of the worst, and you’re going to see trash all over the place that you never thought you’d see. Your neighborhood is going to be gone.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, those of you that surround Lakewood, by the way, which would include, let me think about this, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
You’re next.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Wheat Ridge, Golden, Arvada, Denver, Morrison, Littleton. Let’s see, what’s to the east? What am I missing to the east?
SPEAKER 07 :
Englewood.
SPEAKER 09 :
Englewood. Think about all of those surrounding areas. You’re all going to be affected by this. You’re doomed. Because Lakewood’s a really big city. Yes, it is. It’s not our biggest city, but it is up there, Andy. It is a big city.
SPEAKER 07 :
Please tell me one thing that’s happened to Lakewood that hasn’t spread. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s your answer.
SPEAKER 07 :
Lakewood is like the California of the Denver area, okay?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, for years, keep this in mind, for years, Lakewood, at least I’ve called it this, maybe this is wrong, but I’ve always called it Lake Hood.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it will become even Lake Hood 2-0.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or Lake Hood on steroids when this is all done.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s going to become Denver, okay? It’s going to be just terrible. Yeah. Can I take a moment really quick?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just want to tell people I’m screening two movies for this Friday because every Friday I do movie reviews. And I want to mention this because it’s going to be interesting to people for two reasons. First of all, the first one is called Nobody 2. And for those who don’t know, John and I loved Nobody 1, the first one. That was a lot of fun. Very John Wick-ish, but funnier. It was just a very fun action movie. Nobody 2 looks like a lot of fun, so I can’t wait to see that. The second one, though, is interesting because of who was in it. It’s called Americana. It’s kind of a modern Western, but the star of it is Sidney Sweeney.
SPEAKER 09 :
Awesome.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Awesome.
SPEAKER 07 :
Cool. I can’t wait to tell people what that one’s like. There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so I just looked up 2024. Yeah. As far as our biggest cities in Colorado. Denver, of course, number one. Colorado Springs, number two. Aurora, no shocking, number three. This one did shock me. Fort Collins is number four.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it’s not shocking. It’s a big city.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And then Lakewood’s fifth. So I was right. Now in this area. So remove. Keep this in mind. Remove Colorado Springs and Fort Collins, which really aren’t in our area. Those are on the north and south ends of us, Andy. So take those two out of the loop. It’s Denver, Aurora, Lakewood. So Lakewood is like number three in the metro area. Right. So it folks, it’s right up there. It’s a big deal.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, and it’s really sad. The other two, the Springs and Fort Collins, they’re falling apart. They’re becoming dumps.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ve said this for years. They’re becoming overrun by liberals who are destroying them. You guys all know I had businesses in Boulder and Fort Collins. For years, I had people talk about, man, isn’t Boulder really bad and liberal and this, that, and the other? Folks, this is not a joke, and I am not exaggerating in the least. I would do business in Boulder all day long compared to Fort Collins because all Fort Collins is is a wannabe Boulder, meaning they do everything that Boulder does to the max trying to make your life even more miserable than the folks that live in Boulder. Those of you that don’t believe me in that, I have got so many stories that I could back that up with. You would not believe it. Right. It is far worse than doing business in Boulder, Colorado.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it’s just terrible. It didn’t used to be that way at all, John. You know I’m from Loveland. I lived up in Loveland.
SPEAKER 09 :
Loveland, Fort Collins was wonderful. Well, and really quick, when did you move out of Fort Collins?
SPEAKER 07 :
Boy, it’s been too long, John. 82-ish.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I first started doing business in Fort Collins in the year 2000. So some of you are thinking, well, yeah, John, it’s just gotten that way of late. No, that was 2000, folks. That was 26, 25, 26 years ago. It was bad then. It’s worse now. It hasn’t changed. It’s gotten worse. Oh, much worse. And it’s not just recently that it’s been that way. It’s been that way from day one.
SPEAKER 07 :
Loveland used – and you’ve got to understand, I was liberal at the time. Loveland used to be a conservative bastion.
SPEAKER 09 :
Used to be. Yeah, not anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it’s gone.
SPEAKER 09 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
All of that is gone up there. The front range is gone.
SPEAKER 09 :
Going back, Andy, to the conversation we have continually that our side, for some odd reason, thinks. I don’t know why it thinks this, but it thinks that we are this red state that is somehow just losing elections because of election integrity and so on. It’s all voter fraud. Yeah, we’re really a red state. We just never win at the polls because of all of this.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, I really believe that these people who believe this, I question if they ever walk on a college campus or into a mall. Do you see the people? Do you ever walk down the streets of Aurora?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, they don’t, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, do
SPEAKER 09 :
ever go to these places i see it all the time i’m very observant you are surrounded by liberals okay you’re surrounded by liberals going back andy to what we were talking about earlier you know as a business owner and people that i’ve even still consult with and so on and have businesses in those areas and the reality is i guess our party just doesn’t get out much i don’t know how to say it andy they just don’t get out much i think they live in their own little bubble Am I wrong in that?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, you’re not wrong. I remember. Let’s go to the extreme end, OK? Because you and I, we believe in life from conception. OK, but you’ve got the people who did the personhood amendment and they wanted to. They did. They wanted to outlaw abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. And I said to them, I said, OK, guys, I just want to ask you this. I want you to go to a thousand people in the nearest mall, Park Meadows even, which is a better mall. Not even Aurora Mall, okay, Park Meadows. And you ask a thousand people, even young people, and let’s see how many of them agree with you. Say, if a man rapes a woman, would you support having the government force her? The government force her to carry the child of her rapist. And you get back to me with what percentage say yes. It’s going to be under 10. Yeah. It’s going to be under 10. Or less. Oh, yeah. You may get none. Right. Okay. So that is their position that they want to push. Okay. They want to throw that Hail Mary and demand it. Otherwise, you’re a bad Christian. And I’m saying, guys… I get it. I believe that the child of a rape is just as valuable as any other child. I get it. But you don’t understand. You’ve got to get some first downs before you get the whole way.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re trying to sell that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s not sellable, Andy. That’s the whole point. It’s not sellable.
SPEAKER 07 :
And meanwhile, we’re saying, hey, man, how about you come down against late-term abortion, establish a beachhead, and work from there?
SPEAKER 09 :
Let’s chip. What the left has done is a reminder for all of you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Davidians won’t listen to any of this.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know. But look at the Second Amendment, Andy. Do you think they came after everything at once? No. No, what they said is— They chip away at us. Andy, you know, we need common sense gun control. Andy, we need to eliminate some of these quote-unquote, you know, gun show loopholes. Andy, we need to make sure that, you know, if you’re a psycho, you can’t buy a gun. Andy, you know— John, I come from the left. They just kept chipping away.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, I come from the left. I know all the things they did to you, and I know why they work.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
Our side can do them just as well, but we won’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
We don’t. No, we won’t. We will not do—because we are an all-or-nothing side, which, by the way, I get. I understand that. I’m sympathetic to that, but that’s a no-win strategy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Broncos have a great new quarterback. What if he threw a Hail Mary every down?
SPEAKER 09 :
We’d lose.
SPEAKER 07 :
How many games would you win?
SPEAKER 09 :
We won’t. 0-17. Yeah, we won’t win, Andy. We’ll lose every time. Politically, it’s the same. Because the reality is the other team can defend against that all day long, which is exactly what happens politically as well. Thank you. So we’ll be right back. Don’t go anywhere. Mile High Coin coming up next. They want to make sure that you’re dialed in when it comes to your coin or jewelry or whatever other collection you have kicking around the house. They’ll give you a free appraisal. Turn that into cash if you want to. Find them at coinbuyers.co or call 720-370-3400.
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SPEAKER 09 :
Actually, for those of you that have listened to us of any length of time at all, I probably yell at our side more than I do the other side because it’s so frustrating because we have a tendency to not want to move the football. Not a tendency. We don’t want to move the football forward, and it’s only because of us it doesn’t move forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
Donald Trump is giving us a winning election theme with what he’s doing in Washington, D.C. What does our party want to do? Tell everybody, get off our lawn, get out of our primary.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll leave it at that. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
