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Hello, hello, hello. Happy Monday, everyone. My name is Karen Murray. Welcome to Shooting the Breeze. I am the instructor, the lead instructor at Franktown Firearms. I’m hoping that every single person listening can someday come by and say hello to everybody at Franktown Firearms. We are conveniently located just east of the intersection of Highway 83 and Highway 86 in Franktown. So if you have driven to Elizabeth or Kiowa or, you know, maybe heading down Parker Road and take the turn to go to Castle Rock, you’re right there. So you need to come in and check it out. If you’ve never been, it’s just a whole new experience now. You can go to the website, which is going to be completely changed pretty soon, but you can go to franktownfirearms.com and get all the information on classes, training. You can get some private training. I’ll talk about that in just a second. But, you know, just come and enjoy instructors who don’t make you feel stupid. I don’t know if you’ve ever taken a training course from one of the other ranges in the area. There’s a term that we like to use called cacti-cool. where, I don’t know, maybe the instructors are former law enforcement or former military, and they have that mindset. And especially for women, oh my gosh, it’s just kind of a nightmare to go train under some of these people. I mean, I guess if you have that mindset, that militant kind of mindset, then it’s okay. But a lot of women are very intimidated by that stuff. So Springtown Firearms, a safe, non-intimidating environment. It’s not going to make you feel like you’re less than or that you’re not worthy to have a gun or whatever. Very patient instructors, myself included, in that you can also take part in shoot house classes. And it doesn’t matter your skill level. You can come in there, learn really practical home defense techniques. from instructors that, like I said, they’re there to help you no matter where you’re starting. They’re there to help you get your feet wet and just get in there and do it. And it’s fun, it’s practical, and it’s pretty amazing. You guys just have to come and check it out. Concealed handgun certification courses and refresher courses also available. You can also find those at franktownfirearms.com. And if you’d like to talk to anybody about any of this stuff, you can give the shop a call at 720-770-7777. And somebody will be more than happy to answer your questions or give you more information about classes, the shop, the shoot house, any of that. So check it out. So again, As I was sitting here today trying to figure out what I was going to talk about. And, you know, I hit the news. I hit Telegram. I hit X. I hit TikTok and whatever. And I doom scroll. And I try to bring you guys things that are entertaining, informational, you know, whatever. And you know me. I’m all about conspiracy theories and strapping on the tinfoil helmet and flat earth. And you guys know I talk about all kinds of crazy, I don’t know, political, geopolitical things that interest me. And I know that this stuff interests some of you as well. I have loyal people who call me often and want to talk about the stuff that I cover. And I truly appreciate each and every one of you. And it’s funny because the list is so short that I could name you all, you know, as I’m sitting here. And there’s John and there’s Johnny and there’s Jim and Ann and Eric and just the people who call that I talk to that I, you know, I feel like I know them. And although I’m certain there are more than five or six people who listen to this show, I don’t talk to those people, so I don’t know who they are or what they’re all about or what they’re interested in. So at any point during this show, if you want to call me and tell me your favorite topics that I cover or stuff that interests you that you may not call but you, I don’t know, leave a message with Luke or send me an email, even better, karen.murray at franktownfirearms.com. You can send me an email and tell me what you want to hear more of. I’d love to hear it because sometimes I draw a blank. Sometimes as I’m doing my show notes, I think, oh, God, is this appropriate for the show? Sometimes I think I better not talk about this. I don’t know. I better be very careful. I better tread lightly in the way that I cover this information. there are many things that I would love to talk about or talk about more often or more in depth that I know would get me in trouble. Maybe it’s information that just the general public is not ready to digest. Maybe it goes against mainstream thinking so much that people just aren’t ready to hear it. I don’t know. But what I do know is that I always have the subject of guns in to talk about. And since I am, excuse me, I have a frog. Since I am sponsored by a gun shop, I’m not really sponsored. I’m just kind of on here on behalf of Franktown Firearms. I’m going to talk about guns today. But I’m going to discuss this in a different way besides just griping about new gun laws because I’ve done my share of that. I’m going to go a little bit deeper into the Second Amendment and all that it pertains to. So buckle up for that. I have been asked a lot in my years of training, and I’ve been doing it for 12 years in my years of instruction, safety classes, the whole thing. My students always ask, how did you get into this? They’ll ask me, were you former military? Were you former law enforcement? It’s just an assumption that people have that, you know, why would some broad, you know, that I started this when I was 48 years old, why would some 48-year-old broad be out there teaching people how to shoot? And every single time I tell people, politics got me into this. And maybe not just politics as the definition of the word, That may not be a surprise to most of you, but I’ll tell you the story of what made me dive into becoming a firearms instructor. I remember back during Sandy Hook, you guys remember Sandy Hook, the push for gun control was unbelievable at that time, including here in Colorado. It was just after that happened that I decided to kind of go all in with and getting my concealed carry permit. I went through all the mental gymnastics that a person may or may not go through as it pertains to carrying a loaded gun on their body, which was kind of a mind game for me. After that, I quickly realized, after experiencing all of that, that the world needed more female instructors. I had my own reasons, just the way that my thought process led me. And a couple of things that happened during that time that really, really made me mad in terms of politicians sticking their big fat noses in everything. Looking back, I remember in the 90s during the Clinton years and the push for the assault weapons ban, right, which was successful and went through and all that. So, Dianne Feinstein, and if you’ve taken one of my classes recently, I’ve described this photo to you. I talk about it quite often because it’s very poignant to me and very telling. Dianne Feinstein standing up in front of a crowded presser. She had a bunch of, the whole press corps was there. I don’t know what it was for, but it was during that assault. You know, I say this with heavy air quotes, the assault weapons ban. But she’s standing there holding an AR-15. Not really that unusual. You see many politicians trying to demonstrate how scary the AR-15 is, right, including Kevin de Leon. I think you might remember this as a ghost gun. Do you remember that? So, you know, actually, they’re the ones that are being scary with them. So when I saw this photograph, that’s when I got the first inkling that these people really don’t know what they’re talking about and they don’t know what they’re doing. So there’s Dianne Feinstein standing up there with this semi-automatic sporting rifle in her hands. She’s in a line of about seven or eight people, five of which were standing to her left. And obviously she’s right-handed in the way that she’s holding this gun. And the muzzle of the gun is pointed due left to her, right at, you know, all these people that are standing to her left. And she had her finger pointed curled around the trigger of this AR-15. So that memory, that photograph, just burned into my brain in conjunction with the fact that our very own lovely Diana DeGette thought that magazines were disposable during the magazine capacity debate in 2013. It just sent me over the edge in terms of wanting to be a part of education and be a part of the solution and try to educate people as much as I possibly could. So I found an NRA training counselor, and I took my basic instructor training course through the NRA. And shortly after that, I decided to go all in, and I got my certification for everything basically regarding PISTOL. personal protection in the home, personal protection outside the home. I did the online course for becoming a refuse to be a victim coach, as well as certified range safety officer. And then I later did the defensive pistol stuff. So everything that the NRA had to offer at the time, I went all in and did all of it. So I taught my first class in my dining room in December of 2013. And obviously, we didn’t conduct live fire exercises in my house. I would have to go out and find a range to take my students to so we could get that portion of the class done. I mostly taught this way until I started with Franktown Firearms. So I was very, very blessed to kind of kick myself, kick the door in and hire myself at Franktown Firearms. And if Sean is listening right now, he’ll tell you that I hired myself. And just that’s a whole other story. But I started doing classes at Franktown Firearms in August of 2019. So I’m coming up on six years. August 19th will be the anniversary date of my first class at Franktown. So over the years, we’ve seen this gun debate going on. And people on my side would like to see more guns in the hands of more people. You know the phrase, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, right? And I still hold firm in that message. I do, which is why I continue to do what I do. And I not only instruct and I not only preach this, but I posted on social media and I used to talk about it on TikTok until I got my account banned for talking about it. And I think you guys may or may not know that story. I don’t know. When I was doing a live video, just instructing people on how to clean their guns and got my account banned right in the middle of my live video. But, you know, here we are in Colorado. We’ve got this whole batch of new gun laws that just went into effect with more to come. And the thing that frustrates me the most is that we know that these politicians don’t believe that guns are the problem. They don’t. They may say that they do. What they do believe is that if the citizens don’t have guns, citizens can’t fight with them. They can’t fight back. When there is a well-regulated militia, we can stand up to their tyranny, and they can’t have that. And that may sound outlandish, but many of you will probably agree with me. And the reason that I’m bringing this up is this article from Breitbart that just came out over the weekend, and it’s directed toward Colorado. There is a lovely picture of our fearless leader, Pontius Polis, as I refer to him, giving a peace sign as the cover photo, and the headline reads, Firearm homicides surge in Colorado following adoption of gun control. The article is very short. It says, data from Ammo Land News indicates Colorado witnessed an exponential increase in firearm homicides after embracing state-level gun control agenda in 2013, which is right around when I decided to become an instructor. It says, on February 10, 2013, less than two months after the heinous attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Breitbart News noted that Colorado Democrats were declaring war on the Second Amendment. That war included bans on high capacity magazines, or as we refer to them as standard capacity magazines, requirements for universal background checks, fees for existing background checks, and allowing victims of gun violence to sue firearms manufacturers for misuse of weapons. Okay. It goes on. Since then, Colorado Democrats’ push for gun control has continued unabated. And this unabated word, I’m going to get to this a little bit later. Most recently, Governor Jared Polis signed a semi-automatic ban that represents, quote, one of the most restrictive regulations ever adopted in Colorado, according to the Colorado Sun. The new law signed by Polis on April 10, 2025, bans the manufacture of and drastically restricts the sale of certain semi-automatic firearms in Colorado. The banned firearms include certain rifles and shotguns, which we all know, the AR-15, the scary black AR-15, oh my God, the military-style assault weapon. Moreover, Denver 7 noted the law also contains prohibitions against gas-operated semi-automatic handguns that have a detachable ammunition magazine. Ammoland News examined firearm homicides in the state and found that there were 86 gun homicides in 2014 and 237 in 2023. In other words, as restrictions barring law-abiding citizens from purchasing certain guns or magazines increased, so did firearm homicides. Ammo Land News noted all of the restrictive gun control measures adopted over the past decade haven’t reduced gun-related violent crime. Now, we all know this. Everybody knows this. Well, everyone with a functioning brain should know this. Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens or making it more difficult and more expensive and more cumbersome for law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms and ammunition, placing more restrictions on the types of guns that people can own or restricting the number of rounds that a magazine can hold or whatever other kind of BS law they decide to push through doesn’t stop gun-related crime. It doesn’t, obviously. But they continue to draft more bills, and Governor Polis continues to sign those bills. Nothing works to stop it. So what do they say about the definition of insanity, doing something over and over, expecting a different result? They just keep writing bills, and Polis keeps signing these bills, and they keep going into effect, and all it’s doing is making it harder for us. If the laws don’t work, they just write more. and they sign more laws into existence. It’s just this vicious cycle that continually makes it harder for us, being the law-abiding gun owner. Meanwhile, of course, Trendy Aragua and the Crips, the Bloods, whoever, whatever other gangsters are out there roaming the streets of Denver, continue to get their hands on the black market guns, and that’s never going to change. But we have to jump through hoops, and hoops of fire and spend more money and wait three days and pay for the background checks and pay for the transfers and pay the 6.5% excise tax on guns and ammo and sit through an eight-hour class instead of a four-hour class to get our concealed handgun certification and on and on and on. And beginning in August of next year, thanks to SB 25003, If you want to buy a new AR-15 or a semi-automatic shotgun that accepts a detachable magazine, well, you’ll have to sit through a 12-hour state-mandated course and spend even more time and effort and money and then be on some kind of a list somewhere, and then they’ll decide whether or not you can have this said gun. Now, we’ve made these arguments over and over and over. As they sit in their cushy offices, protected by armed guards, and the governor has his state patrol protecting him, and here we are out on our own with illegals and criminals and gangs and, you know, crazy drug-addicted homeless people and whatever. The gangs, the criminals, the thugs, the violent illegals, whoever it is, they’ll get their guns come hell or high water. It doesn’t matter. They’ll always find a way to get their guns because they’re illegal guns anyway. given to people who can’t possess guns. They don’t go through the legal channels, as you know. And if you ask me, our own government is probably responsible for arming many of them. And I know that’s probably controversial, but that’s probably fact. Think Fast and Furious and Eric Holder. Just think about that. So it’s this game that they play. It’s this facade that they put out there. If it saves just one child, it’s all about the children, right, Nancy Pelosi? It’s all about the children. They really want us to believe that it’s for the greater good. but they don’t know anything about the gun world or the people that are in the gun world or the people like me and the owners of Franktown Firearms and the instructors that work there and the people that work in the sales department and the whole thing. They don’t know anything about any of it, obviously. They take egregious gun laws from places like New York and Connecticut and California and Maryland, and they change some of the wording there. kind of tweak it to fit whatever they want because they can’t draft any of this stuff on their own. Give me a break. I mean, if Diana DeGette thinks that magazines are disposable, how is it that she or anybody like her could draft a gun law? When they don’t even know a semi-automatic versus, you know, a revolver, they don’t know a backstrap from a muzzle. We’ve talked about that extensively. You know what I’m talking about. But they know enough to add that safety clause at the end of the bill, ensuring that it will get signed. It’s for the safety of the community, right? But as you heard from that article, it’s done just the opposite, right? They are trying to grind responsible, law-abiding gun owners, citizens, whatever you want to call us, into a fine powder and make it so difficult and so expensive to buy a gun that most people will just give it up. They don’t have the money. They don’t have the time. They don’t have the resources to go out and take a class in 12 hours and pay the extra 6.5% tax on an already $800 gun or whatever. But that’s what they want. They would laugh at the suggestion of making it easier for people to get guns. They think adding more places to the guns forbidden list will make people safer. Well, you know, that’s what they want us to think that they think. Or making it harder for people to lawfully carry a gun on their person will somehow make violent crime magically disappear. In the last couple of decades, every time some mentally unstable, medicated, crazy lunatic gets notoriety for a mass shooting, the gun control lobby, mob, whatever you want to call them, starts screaming about common sense gun legislation. You’ve heard that. Common sense gun laws. Common sense gun laws. When in actuality, there is no common sense about it at all. So real quick, I want you to listen to Ted Nugent. Now, if you’ve listened to Ted Nugent at all, I’m sure you guys know who he is and kind of his background and what he thinks about guns and the Second Amendment and the whole thing. But he had this interview. This was way back in 2008. Some of you may have heard this interview. It was on PBS, and the interview was with Evan Smith. He was the then editor of Texas Monthly. Maybe he still is. I don’t know. But I think Ted’s views on guns kind of mirror what many of you may think as well. Check this out.

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Second Amendment. Gun control. You’ve been on the NRA’s board since 1995, and this is a subject that you maybe feel more strongly about than any other.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:08

Make your case. I believe that a person’s… moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves the second amendment is so obvious to me it’s insane that there’s an argument let’s pretend there is no document let’s pretend brave Families didn’t leave the tyrants and the slave drivers of Europe so that they could practice the religion of their choice, so that they could speak out without being murdered. That they could produce wool without the king’s men coming and taking it from them every season of harvest. Let’s pretend none of that happened. Let’s just pretend this guy named Ted Nugent parachuted onto earth. and woke up one morning and saw these wonderful resources and had dreams of excellence and being the best that I could be I don’t need a document and I don’t need another man to explain to me that I have the right to defend my gift of life and that there is an argument in America from Hillary Clinton from Barbara Boxer Diane Feinstein from a whole gaggle of numbnuts who would try to tell me they will dictate where, how, and if I can defend myself. I find that preposterous. I find it unacceptable and I will not accept it. I am a free man. Don’t tread on me. A good law-abiding citizen not convicted of a felon, the Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit. Period. That’s it? That’s it.

SPEAKER 04 : 24:45

So no limitations of any kind that you can see?

SPEAKER 07 : 24:49

None. That’s it. The limitation should be, instead of arresting people for molesting children 24 times, I would rather the dad walked into the room, found a person molesting that child, and blew his brains out. I would rather that the lady in Massachusetts last month who was taking her daughter to soccer, who was carjacked by a recidivistic maggot who’d been in the prison system all his life but was let out again because we feel sorry for him. Maybe he had a bad childhood. Instead of her being hijacked and murdered, I’d rather she just shot the bastard dead. But in Massachusetts, somebody decided she can’t do that. So she’s dead. I would rather she was alive and the carjacker was dead. I’m weird. I would rather that the guy who beat this lady to within an inch of her life in Waco, on parole was he, phenomenal, and beat her to within an inch of her life in front of her grandchildren with a whiskey bottle, I would rather she fell to the ground, pulled out a .38, and shot him six times in the chest and killed him. Am I weird? Because the guy is going to get out again. I don’t like repeat offenders. I like dead offenders.

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So there you have it. I couldn’t have said it better myself. And, of course, you don’t hear the stories about people who actually do defend themselves and send their attackers to meet their maker or to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the shoulder or the chest or whatever. And there are literally thousands of these stories out there. A few examples can be found in gun publications like those put out by an official journal of the NRA, which is, you know, it’s kind of if you are a member of the NRA, you’ve gotten those stories, the armed citizen and all that. And I’ve talked about those a few times, but I’m going to give you a couple of examples here. One of them being an armed citizen in Virginia Beach was approached by a man wielding a knife in a parking lot. The citizen, legally carrying a concealed firearm, drew his weapon and shot the attacker, effectively ending the violent confrontation. So we don’t get all the, you know, gory details, but a good guy with a gun, right, stopped this attack. Crockett County, Tennessee, on April 17th, a pregnant woman was brutally assaulted at home with a knife, pistol, and a strangulation attempt. She obtained a firearm and shot and killed her assailant in defense of herself and her children. Houston, Texas, February 13th incident. A woman while driving was attacked by another driver through her window. She managed to shoot the attacker and stop the assault. Again, you don’t see the gory details and you never really know the ins and outs. That’s all law stuff that, you know, you don’t even know what happened there. But she stopped it. Tucson, Arizona, a store employee faced violence and defended himself by shooting the attacker, according to local police reports. And one more, 2012, Aldi store robbery in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. During an armed robbery, a customer and licensed concealed carry holder, Nazir Al Mujad, fired an armed suspect, striking him and halting the crime. The suspect fled and was later arrested, and the guy faced no charges. When we get back, we’re going to dive into some really interesting stuff on a paper from Cato Institute. We’ll be right back.

SPEAKER 03 : 28:28

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SPEAKER 02 : 29:33

And we are back. I was just talking about how good guy with a gun stops bad guy with gun. There was a paper put out by the Cato Institute in 2012 called Tough Targets. It was by Clayton Kramer and David Burnett. It explains why incidents of self-defense with a gun often go unreported. Chiefly, not many defensive uses of firearms are involve gunfire. And simply, the person will present a firearm and any potential criminal will flee. So those frequently go unreported. And even when a shooting does occur, unless there’s significant collateral impact or sensational circumstances, many cases never reach mainstream media. So the paper reviews hundreds of news reports collected over an eight-year period to analyze how Americans use guns in self-defense. It points out that estimates of DGUs, and DGUs are, let me see here, defensive gun use. So when you hear me say DGUs, that’s what I meant. It points out that estimates of DGUs vary broadly from tens of thousands to as many as 2 million annually. The paper emphasizes that many defensive incidents aren’t captured by traditional surveys or media coverage. Contrary to common perceptions, defensive gun use rarely involves firing a weapon. Instead, most offenders flee when they realize the victim is armed, making these incidents easy to overlook and under report in the media. Kramer and Burnett argue that average citizens using guns defensively are typically law-abiding and capable. They document numerous instances where ordinary people effectively thwarted violent crimes, murders, rapes, assaults, and robberies, thanks to armed resistance. The authors urge policymakers to consider not just the theoretical goals of gun control, such as reducing gun deaths or accidents, but also how restricting firearm access may disadvantage law-abiding citizens when faced with armed criminals, especially given that police can’t always respond in time. Okay, maybe you’ve heard this, maybe you haven’t, but the phrase, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away. I’m sure you’ve heard that. The paper suggests that such restrictions might reduce public safety rather than enhance it. Although Tough Targets doesn’t delve into legal developments after its publication, which was in 2012, Cato resources highlight broader trends. The White House initiated the federal assault weapons ban, and that was from 1994 to 2004, reportedly had no clear impact on gun crime, according to federal evaluations. Okay. I don’t know what shoulder striking laws or cap laws have been tied to significant reductions in accidental child injuries and suicides in some studies. And I did not look at what cap laws were. So maybe if somebody knows what a cap law is, they can clue me in with a phone call. If you want to call about anything that I’m talking about right now, the number is 303-477-5600. Luke would be happy to patch you through. It goes on, Cato’s broader policy analysis expressed skepticism about the effectiveness of universal background checks, assault weapon bans, and restrictions on accurate firearms, emphasizing constitutional rights and practical self-defense concerns. To recap tough targets, the Cato white paper compiles hundreds of news reports from defensive gun use, or DGU, argues two big points. DGUs are common yet undercounted because many incidences end when the would-be victim merely shows a gun and no shots are fired. And policies that broadly restrict access to firearms can leave law-abiding people at a disadvantage against armed criminals. The authors note wide-ranging survey estimates of DGUs, the low tens of thousands up to the low millions per year, and emphasize that media and official data sets miss many events where no shots are fired. Policymakers, they argue, should weigh the protective benefits of armed self-defense alongside the intended effects of gun regulations. So where do you fall in this argument? Do you fall into Ted Nugent camp where there should be no restrictions for keeping and bearing arms? Let everyone have a concealed gun and let the chips fall where they may? Or are you of the mindset where a well-regulated militia means something and that people have the responsibility to learn how to use guns safely before owning and using them? or using them for self-defense or home defense or whatever? Or are you in the Colorado camp of laws, the restrictions, the training requirements, the magazine capacity limits, and the government dictating to you what kind of firearm you can or can’t have? As for me, and this is just me, I’m kind of a mixed bag. Being an instructor, obviously, I recognize the value of training and being safe with guns and keeping them out of the wrong hands, et cetera. I believe in training to the point that reacting to a violent encounter with a firearm should be a decision based on not only your immediate situation, that imminent threat, but it also has to be based on your knowledge of the law, in the location where you happen to be standing at the moment and your skill and your confidence level. As I always say, you won’t rise to the task. You will fall to the level of your training, right? That’s what I preach all the time. If you bought a firearm and you tucked it away in your sock drawer and you’ve never taken it to the range, you’re more of a danger to yourself and others in a sudden imminent attack than someone who has taken training courses and practices their mechanics at home. Another thing that I preach about all the time is practicing your mechanics at home. You don’t have to fire the gun to learn and get familiar and comfortable with operating it. Like I always say, the only thing that you can’t experience at home that you experience on the range is recoil and the noise. That’s it. Other than that, you can practice all the things. So if you’re one of those people who have a gun but you don’t practice with it, I encourage you to come and see me at Franktown Firearms. You can send me an email. If you want some private training, and I did get the email from Julie, so thank you for that. I will be giving you a call as soon as I get off the air today. If you want private training, just send me an email, karen.murray at franktownfirearms.com. Get back in the game, people. If it’s been a while, if it’s been a hot minute since you’ve been to the range or you’ve never taken a training class, you have a gun and you think you’re good, you’re not good. You’re not good. Trust me on that. You’re going to need some training. So give me a call. Send me an email, whatever. But I think that all states should consider adopting gun laws based on the Second Amendment as it is written in and according to the Federalist Papers 46 and 29. So we’re going to talk more about the Federalist Papers. But as the Second Amendment is written, a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. So you can pick that apart line by line, word by word, if you want, okay? But it is what it is, and there’s a reason why the Second Amendment is in our Bill of Rights, because it’s that important. So first we’re going to talk about Federalist No. 46, written by James Madison. I’m going to give you some context around commonly cited lines within this paper. and give you some side notes in addition. So line 34, it says, and I’m going to quote here, and then I’ll break in with some stuff, my opinions, and kind of what he’s trying to say here. Because, you know, this is written in the language of the time, so sometimes it’s a little bit difficult to understand. But extravagant as the supposition is, let it, however, be made. Let a regular army… fully equal to the resources of the country be formed and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government. Still, it would not be going too far to say that state governments with the people on their side would be able to repel the danger. Okay. Here, in my opinion, Madison is making the distinction between a militia and an army. There is a difference. Okay, line 35. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army, which is that difference between the militia and the army, can be carried in any country does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. I’m assuming able to bear arms means either you’re disabled or you’re not of age, that kind of thing. It goes on, this proportion would not yield in the United States an army of more than 25 or 30,000 men. Now, of course, this number has increased drastically, and I did the math on it. If we were to recruit an army 125th of the people able to bear arms, our active duty military would consist of approximately 6 million people right now, and we’re at just over 2 million across all branches. So, Line 36, to these would be opposed a militia. Okay, now this is where it gets interesting, so just bear with me. To these, meaning to the military, okay, would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves. fighting for their common liberties and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and competence. It may well be doubted whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops.” Now, you’ve heard many people talk about the reason for the Second Amendment, okay? And we’re going to talk a little bit more about that in just a second. I’m going to go on to line 37. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Line 37, besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments to which the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which an example government of any form can admit of. The way they write this stuff. But you guys are kind of catching my drift here. Line 39, notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain that with this aid alone, they would not be able to shake off their yokes. Line 40. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves who could collect the national will and direct the national force and of officers appointed out of the militia by these governments and attach both of them to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Okay. Now, this is all about the government and the tyranny and the reason behind the Second Amendment appearing and being featured in the first two amendments in the Bill of Rights. Now, Federalist 29 was Andrew Hamilton and some context around commonly cited lines in this one. Now, I don’t know if you guys have read the Federalist Papers. I’m hoping that you have. But these were all anonymous letters written to the people to get them to ratify the Constitution. So line five of Federalist 29 says, Of the different grounds which have been taken in opposition to the plan of the convention, there is none that was so little to have been expected or is so untenable in itself as the one from which this particular provision has been attacked. If a well-regulated militia is the most natural defense of a free country, it ought certainly to be under the regulation and at the disposal of that body which has constituted the guardian of the national security. Line number six, if standing armies are dangerous to liberty, now get that. Now that’s the difference, not the militia, but a standing army. If standing armies are dangerous to liberty and efficacious power over the militia and the body to whose care the protection of the state is committed, ought, as far as possible, to take away the inducement and the pretext to such unfriendly institutions. If the federal government can command the aid of the militia in those emergencies which call for the military arm in support of the civil magistrate, it can then better dispense with the employment of a different kind of force. Line seven, if it cannot avail itself of the former, it will be obliged to recur to the latter. To render an army unnecessary will be more a certain method of preventing its existence than a thousand prohibitions upon paper. Line 16, the project of disciplining all of the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious. if it were capable of being carried into execution a tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice it is not a day or even a week that will suffice for the attainment of it so that’s telling you not every this militia is not going to be a military it’s just it takes too much time too much dedication too much discipline too much practice So he’s saying that the militia is just kind of an armed group of millions of citizens in this country, just kind of ready to go. Line 17, to oblige the great body of the yeomanry, which means the mass of ordinary self-reliant citizens, especially those envisioned as the backbone of a militia. and the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss. Now, the yeomanry, that is all having to do with, like, homesteaders and very able-bodied men, mostly, who are capable of, you know, filling the military if need be. So line 18 says it would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country to an amount which calculating upon the present numbers of the people would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all states. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to zero, so considerable an extent would be unwise. And the experiment, if made, would not succeed because it would not be long endured. Now, that’s just telling you you can’t pull from the people who are producing in the country to fill up the military, right? That’s what that means. Line 19, little more can be reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped. Remember that line for later. And in order to see that this cannot be neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year. So they’re saying that the militia should be kind of organized and be meeting. Of course, we don’t have that in this country. We have little pockets of militias across the country, but nothing is truly organized on a national scale. Line 20, and this is the last part of this. but though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable, yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well-digested plan should, as soon as possible, be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select core of moderate extent upon such principles as will really fit them for service in case of need. Okay, so this is kind of like the recruitment pool kind of thing, and I know that that’s what they’re talking about. But by and large, overall, you can kind of see where Madison and Hamilton were in getting the information and their mindset at the time as to why the Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. How many times have you heard the anti-gun establishment talk about the Second Amendment is all about hunting or that our founders were only talking about muskets, that they didn’t really mean for citizens to own military-style weapons? That’s not what I get from this. If you read these papers, in essence, we should have what they have. And Sleepy Joe, he knew this. Remember when he was up there saying, you know, you’re going to fight the government? Well, you’re going to need F-15s. Remember that? And he wasn’t wrong. Because, you know, right now, a bunch of people with guns, yeah, I mean, you can do something, I guess. You could do something, but you’re not going to win on any grand scale anything because they would have stuff coming in from the air, right? That’s when we just hope that, you know, if the federal government goes completely off the rails, that we would have the military on our side and not on the side of the tyrants, right? I was just taking orders. I was just doing what I was told to do, right? We hope that kind of thinking goes out the window. But back when the Constitution was written, the kind of technology and weaponry that we have now didn’t exist, didn’t even come close, even for the armies. So their documents, as they pertain to the Second Amendment, as explained further in the federalist papers, were based on muskets and black powder rifles and the stuff of the time, right? Right. However, the papers and the way they’re worded, it’s clear to me that they wanted the citizens, the militia, to be equipped equally to that of the standing armies. Not only to fight that tyranny, but to, you know, they want them familiar with the weapons and the standing in case they did get invaded or, you know, that was, like I said, it was the recruitment pool. I got a caller on the line. What do you got for me?

SPEAKER 06 : 51:27

Well, I just wanted to mention that a lot of these shootings that are going on right now, I don’t wear a tinfoil hat, but they’re all program shooters because there’s an agenda here. As you mentioned, they want to come and get our guns, so they have to have reasons. So if they start having more shootings and stuff, and they start crying out, hey, hey, we’ve got to stop all this, they’re going to start bringing out the troops. And the next thing you know, they’re going to start coming for our guns, door to door.

SPEAKER 02 : 51:54

Yep, yep, absolutely. Martial law, and when you say program shooters, I’m down with that. I know about all the MKUltra stuff, and it’s real. And as much as people want to say that it’s not real, that’s the kind of stuff that I usually talk about. It’s like this whole MKUltra thing and mind control and all that. It’s real. It’s very real. And when they want to get an agenda pushed, that’s the kind of stuff that they do. And, you know, this enables them to declare martial law and come around door to door, like you said, and snag all of our guns.

SPEAKER 06 : 52:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER 02 : 52:26

Absolutely. Thank you so much for your call. I truly appreciate it.

SPEAKER 06 : 52:30

You bet.

SPEAKER 02 : 52:32

So when someone is skeptical of the Second Amendment and its meaning, asks me, so do you think that people should be able to own tanks? Yeah. Or what about cannons or even, you know, a .50 caliber BMG rifle? Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes, and yes. This is why the founders enshrined the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights. It’s not just a couple of lines thrown in at the bottom of the Constitution. It’s right after freedom of speech because it’s that important. And guess what? Our government doesn’t care. Let me just say some, okay? The far left, the cabal, the deep state, whatever, they don’t care. They hate the Constitution. Colorado’s government really doesn’t care. They hate you. They hate you. They hate your guns. And they will enact whatever kind of legislation they deem necessary to thwart your efforts to keep and bear arms, period, end of story. They’re going to sit there protected by armed guards, and they don’t want you to be able to protect yourself against one of the thugs that they allowed in. So they’ve done it. They’ve done it. They’ve continued to do it. They’re going to continue to do it. And why is that? Because we let them. I’ve said it before, and I will keep saying it. We’ve allowed them to do this to all of us. And, yeah, we’ll vote them out, and we’ll get a new guy and a better guy in next time. And we dropped the ball a long time ago. By and large, as citizens, we are fat, lazy, complacent, and uninterested. And that’s a problem. And then, you know, going back to what the caller just said about, you know, the controlled, this is the kind of stuff that they can do. And if you don’t think they can do it, then you’ve got your head in the sand and you need to do a little research, okay? Go look up MKUltra. Go look up stuff like Project Blue Beam. You’ll see. Just look it up. Don’t go to Google. Go to, I don’t know, go to brighteon.ai and search it in the Enoch engine, the AI engine that he’s got. That’s Mike Adams, Health Ranger. But we’ve lost our fire. Now, I’m not speaking about people like Kim Monson and her guests and people like me and even people like Luke and his mother and just everybody at Crawford Broadcasting, you know, God and country. We haven’t lost fire. But Americans, the people that can rise up and do something, we’ve completely disregarded our history and what it actually took. for the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence to be drafted in the first place. We have forgotten what our founders endured and everything that they lost to embark on this great experiment in self-governance called the United States of America and to free themselves from the British crown. And as a whole… Yeomanry, the word that I just mentioned a little bit earlier, it’s just sad. We are so far removed from that, it’s not even funny. So, yeah, a little Federalist paper information for you there. That’s going to do it for me today. Don’t forget to check out Franktownfirearms.com. Send me an email, karen.murray at franktownfirearms.com if you’re interested in some private training. I would love to help you out, get you maybe part of that militia that we’re talking about, get you trained up, get you to the range, get you a membership at Franktown Firearms. That’d be fantastic. I’m going to be back with you next Monday live from 2 to 3, same time, same bat channel. Mama Glock is out for now, you guys. Take care and God bless.

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