John Rush is joined by Richard Battle to explore the intricate relationship between labor, capitalism, and the significance of Labor Day. Delving into history, they reflect on how industrialization brought both challenges and prosperity to the middle class. Through engaging dialogue, they highlight the role of entrepreneurs like Elon Musk in pushing the boundaries of success. Listen in to gain a deeper understanding of why every job is essential and how the spirit of free enterprise enriches our lives today.
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And we’re back, Hour 2, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Richard Battle joining us now. Richard, good afternoon.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good afternoon, John. Thank you so much for having us back with you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Always a joy. Labor Day coming up this weekend, but it would not be the same. It wouldn’t be as special, I guess I should say, without Free Enterprise.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think it’s important for us to recognize that, yes, it’s a day off, and cookouts and football and all kinds of other fun things are on the agenda, but our freedom, economic freedom and political freedom, which lit up during the Industrial Revolution and built this middle class that we have that makes us so prosperous, that’s what’s made Labor Day even more special than it would be otherwise.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I think, you know, I talk about that a lot, as you know, not only with you, but with a lot of other guests and folks that I have on. And you know me, I believe wholeheartedly in that fact. I wish we had a little bit more free enterprise at times than what we do. Sometimes I think government gets its nose under the tent far too often, and they disrupt. They’re a disruptor, by the way. When government gets involved in enterprise, Richard, it’s a disruptor. It is not a promoter of, I guess is the way that I would want to say it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I wholeheartedly agree, and I think there’s nothing better for young people than to have that first job. They have a job where there’s some variable income opportunity, so they can see that if they work harder, they get rewarded more versus just working by the hour with no variation based on their performance. Those two experiences, as early as possible, I think provide a lifetime of benefits.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right, talk to us about Labor Day. When did it first start?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the first time that the federal holiday was 1894, and of course the labor movement was growing alongside of the Industrial Revolution, and yes, there were capitalists that abused labor, and yes, there were labor that didn’t deliver what they may have. There’s tensions then, and there are tensions now, and there will always be tensions between labor and capital.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. That’s one thing, and I think I know why, but I always have been baffled at that. It’s like, okay, wait a minute. At the end of the day, what’s good for one is good for the other, and why are there always opposing forces there? That’s one thing, Richard, I’ve always struggled with wrapping my head around.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and I think that’s where people come in and want to make people greed and envy the two motivators. And when they push this thing about the billionaires making so much money versus the regular worker, it creates that greed and inventory, greed and envy, and people will say no one deserves to make that much money. Well, the great thing about our system is we’re free to make as much or little, work as hard or easy as we want. now versus next year, that’s our freedom. And none of us are going to be the same. But if we have that opportunity to chase our dreams, then hopefully we can become what we want with our lifetimes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I think what you just said is very true. And one of the things that I’ve always stressed to anybody that I’ve ever heard say things along those lines, and you know me because this is very near and dear to me, I’ve always come back with, you know, if you don’t like the situation you’re in, you are free to change that. So in other words, if you think the billionaire makes far too much money, then become one. We still live in a country of opportunity. In fact, the majority of billionaires out there, very few of them inherited what they have today. The majority of them, Richard, have done things that have benefited society at the end of the day, and they’re being rewarded for doing so. So you can be envious of them all day long. It doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, they earned it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely, and I think a great example is Elon Musk. He’s no more perfect than we are, but it amazes me how he has… five or six cutting-edge technology businesses that he is leading at the same time and is involved on a detail level that most CEOs running one business aren’t involved on. So his performance level is off the charts.
SPEAKER 14 :
The other thing that they forget about wealthy individuals, millionaires, billionaires, however you want to say it anymore, it has to be like 100 millionaires and billionaires, Richard, because there’s a lot of millionaires out there that don’t feel like, they are so at the end of the day those upper end individuals maybe that’s the best way to say those high earners those forks those folks that have built things they are providing not only jobs for those that are down there sweeping the floors in a lot of cases they’re providing a lot of other high level jobs as well meaning that if you look at their payroll i can’t imagine Richard, what a payroll of an Amazon or a Microsoft or a Tesla, SpaceX, on down the line we go. I mean, I can’t imagine the billions of dollars that they spend on payroll, meaning all of that’s going out to a lot of other individuals that if they didn’t exist, they wouldn’t have that job.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s true. And I would rather learn from somebody that’s more successful than I am so I can hopefully be more successful than complain about their success. and not learn something. And that’s the opportunity we have. And I always tell people, even look just at Europe. On television, it looks pretty similar to what it looks here. The people look the same. But if you go there, their souls are not as happy as our souls because they’re limited based on class or where they’re at. They have very little upward mobility opportunity. And so they live a dreary life because they’re of those restrictions that we do not have here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Okay, so going back to just Labor Day itself and the celebration of, and I have been informed of this before, and I understand that initially it was not, how should I say this, Richard? There’s probably some misconceptions as to how Labor Day got started and what it actually meant to begin with. Am I right in saying it that way?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yes, I believe so, and I think that we’re trying to celebrate labor. And, of course, back in those days, in the 1890s or so, you didn’t have the hour restrictions on work, and so commonly people worked six full days a week at least. and you had children working with no government oversight or regulations as well, and so this was an opportunity to try to reward people from the government, if you will, a do-gooder politician getting involved, and giving people an opportunity that was outside of their employment agreement, if you will.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, in other words, it didn’t quite start off the way it is today, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, exactly. And isn’t that the same on most everything else the government gets involved with?
SPEAKER 14 :
Very, very true. So, again, but I will say this. I appreciate everybody that works hard. I say this every year. We get close to this time of the year, Richard. I appreciate the folks that are out there working hard. making a difference. Every single job, in my opinion, Richard, counts. That’s why I was so bothered during COVID of the essential versus non-essential. Everybody’s essential. All jobs are essential. If we don’t have folks doing what they’re doing, we come to a halt. And that happened in a lot of cases during COVID. We had supply chain issues and so on because of the very thing you and I are talking about. So in my opinion, Richard, every job counts.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that’s spot on. And it took everyone to win our independence. It’s taken everyone since then to maintain it. It takes all of us today to have the prosperity that we have, and we need to make sure that those that are following us when we’re gone have that same gift that we had, and we need to pass it along to them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and thank you for saying that. I’m one where, as you know, I want to continue to encourage those next generations. I try to encourage every single person that I know, whether they’re an owner, whether they’re just somebody that works for an owner, if they’re an employee. I always hate that, you know, employer-employee, you know. It’s like, OK, wait a minute. We’re all working for the same goal at the end of the day. And I used to always tell my folks that worked for me, Richard, and I still do to this day, that ultimately I’m the broker. They really don’t work for me. They work for whoever our customers are, because at the end of the day, it’s the customers that are actually writing their paycheck. Yeah, I’m the broker of I get to skim a little bit off the top for doing so. But at the end of the day, Richard, it’s that customer that really pays their payroll.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s another spot-on comment, and that’s something I learned early as a young sales guy, that I didn’t really work for my company. I worked for my customers, and the company was the go-between as well there. And it totally changed the attitude of the work. And one other thing I’ll mention, labor a lot of times don’t recognize that they’re also capitalists in disguise because all of them generally have pension funds. Yep. 401k, retirement funds, other things, and they want that capital to do well and make the most money for them also. So all of us are capitalists in some form or fashion.
SPEAKER 14 :
I say it this way, and everything you just said is spot on. I’ll add to that and say every person out there, whether they own the company or not, still works for themselves. They may not think about it that way, Richard. They may think, oh, no, I get the paychecks coming from so-and-so. Well, at the end of the day, because of what you and I are talking about, in fact, I’d love to write a book on this because I think most people miss this. You have agreed to sell your time. to somebody else for X amount per hour, per minute, per whatever you want to do, per sale. I mean, however it all works out, Richard, at the end of the day, you’ve agreed to do so, meaning that you are, in fact, your own business. You’ve decided to sell your product, which is your time, to them for X amount.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is true, and I can remember to this day the first time that I got a commission check over a certain amount, something that really made my eyes pop wide open, and it changed my outlook as far as the possibilities were. that I had in front of me versus what I thought I had before I saw that bigger check.
SPEAKER 14 :
How do we get more people, Richard, in general? Labor Day is coming up this weekend. There’s time for some folks to maybe even reflect upon their jobs and so on. How do we get folks to change that mindset into what you and I are talking about right now?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think if we can educate them about the opportunity, and hopefully they will be working to educate their children. I mean, even little kids that have lemonade stands know more about business than some of the politicians we elect. But getting that first job working… Being in a program like Junior Achievement, something that gives work experience as early as possible, and then that opportunity for a variable income where you can see the difference based on performance. To me, I think every parent ought to want that for their kids, and they will learn life lessons that will help them regardless of what they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. All right. RichardBattle.com is a place to go. Folks can get books. We’ve got kids that are going back to school. They could use some of your resources. How do they do all of that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, our website’s richardbattle.com. Everything’s signed there. If you’d like something inscribed for a gift, email me, richard at richardbattle.com. We’re happy to do that. All 12 books are on Amazon. 11 are in Kindle, and 8 are on audio, including the newest book is on Kindle and audio as well as of this week.
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Awesome. Richard, I always appreciate it. You have a fantastic Labor Day weekend, sir. You too, John. Thank you. God bless America. God bless you, Richard. Again, Richard Battle. Up next, Golden Eagle Financial. Al Smith, where if you’re looking for some help on some of those investments that we were just talking about a moment ago with Richard, give Al a call today. Golden Eagle Financial. Find him at klzradio.com and listen to this interview he did here recently.
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TJ here with KLZ Radio. Once again, I have Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial with me. Al, what are some of the common mistakes that people make before they come see you?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, one that I sometimes talk to them about that they really have no control over is not having started to save for retirement at an early enough age, because that’s the biggest mistake people can make. But it’s not one that they can correct. You can only do what you can do right now. Another mistake, once people are fully retired, sometimes they help their children out too much.
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s that look like for someone that helps out one of their kids? You know, obviously they’re just trying to be benevolent, that kind of thing. What are some mistakes that we can make in that?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I’ve met some who allow their children to live in the same household and don’t provide any encouragement for them to leave. And I don’t necessarily mean the 32-year-old who’s playing video games in the basement. I have met a couple one time that had children who were in their 40s, and their children themselves had their own children and were living with the grandparents, and it was… borderline senior abuse. So I think saying no to your children sometimes can make your own retirement better, and it can also provide more respect.
SPEAKER 03 :
It seems like you kind of help people fulfill that whole picture. You’re not just giving them a DIY software kind of fix. You dig into the root causes and look full steam ahead. Is that right?
SPEAKER 12 :
I also, I try to learn from the people I’ve worked with. I met one retired gentleman who had a son that was having some difficulties and he gave his son a gift rather than a loan because a loan, if it’s not paid back, not only is the money gone, but the relationship is gone because the son or daughter feels bad about contacting the parent because they haven’t made the payments.
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You got it there, folks. klzradio.com slash money for Golden Eagle Finance. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you’re welcome. Thank you, TJ. It’s always good to talk with you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush. And we’re back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, going back to the shooter that happened, I believe, this morning, that individuals, I hate using people’s names, but I guess he’s passed, so it doesn’t matter. Robin Westman, only it’s not Robin, it’s Robert Westman. Because it’s a transgender individual. And I refuse to call people by their transition name because it’s always Robert. I don’t care what anybody says. It is what it is. There’s reports out. Dr. Kelly said 19. Kristi Noem put out an ex-post, said he was 22. I’m reading an investigative report right now that says he’s 23. So 22, 23, don’t know. Now, that’s different than 19 because when I first read some things, and I thought he was younger as well because Charlie had read some things before coming on air that all of the weapons that he had acquired were purchased legally and so on. And if he’s 23 or even 22, then that would make sense. More sense, because at 19, some of what he had wouldn’t have been legally available, legally obtainable is the best way for me to say that. Now, all that being said, there is some really disturbing video. that he put out prior to all of this where this individual is absolutely sick and twisted hated israel hated trump hated uh you know christians i guess you could say just very vile um I don’t know how else to say it, and wrote all over some of the weapons that he actually had, some of the magazines that he had that he was actually going to use in this particular case. He wrote all sorts of despicable things on them, and just a disgusting, disgusting individual. In fact, the world is better off with him not being in it now. Unfortunately, he took two young children with him, which is the sad part of all of this. I believe two people died, if I’m not mistaken. And he, what I understand, never made it into the building. He literally was outside shooting through the windows into the classrooms, into mass, I think was actually what he was shooting into, was actually mass at this particular time. His mother had retired from this school, so Dr. Kelly was correct on that, meaning that he— I’m guessing because of his mother working there prior, probably knew their schedule fairly well as to what they did during the day. And for any of you that have never been to a Christian or a Catholic school, which I have, that’s very normal for them to hold some sort of a ceremony in the mornings. A lot of Christian schools will hold a ceremony, a chapel, a mass, something along those lines, before actually going out into their classrooms and so on. and evidently this particular individual knew that because he knew they would all be gathered in the same place. But a very vile and despicable person. John and Cheyenne, go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ll go further than what you just said. He’s evil. This is the evil one, and this is what they do. They push people that are weak over the edge and take advantage of them to do this. And nobody wants everybody to say, oh, you’re just a religious nut or something. But you just have to look at it. Why are they attacking Christian schools, Christian churches? And it’s the trans people whose minds aren’t right. Who’s to say they haven’t been affected by Satan?
SPEAKER 14 :
This guy, this is one where if, and I’m always careful not to just say, you know, the devil made me do it sort of a thing, John, but if this type of an individual isn’t somehow possessed, I’m absolutely shocked because he has to be.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, it has to be.
SPEAKER 14 :
You don’t do the things this guy does and not be, I guess, is the best way for me to say that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You know, and I’m going to hold his mother partially accountable. She worked at a church, yet she let him do these things because a 17-year-old can’t change his name without parental permission.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
So where was she? To say, no, wait a minute, let’s see if we can get you some help, get you some counseling, talk to some people.
SPEAKER 14 :
One part of the story I’m reading, by the way, really quick, this is coming out of 11alive.com, must be a station near, or actually this is coming from Atlanta, it looks like, so I don’t know exactly their affiliation. But in this particular, just happened to be one that popped up that I was able to read. Authorities, this is how it closes, authorities are still trying to determine Westman’s motive. You can watch his videos that he put out that are now on X, and John, I don’t think it’s too difficult to determine his motive. He had hatred, literal hatred for these people, absolute hatred.
SPEAKER 06 :
He hated them, yes. Why? There’s the motive. Is there a motive behind what created the hatred? We don’t know yet. But what I found interesting today, and I don’t know if you found this too, is that as soon as it happened, people went out and found all of his stuff on YouTube and everything and were able to copy it before they were able to delete it. So they’re not able to cover stuff up as fast. I’m hoping that the feds, and I step in on this one and say, all right, let’s see everything. Because this is a, you know, We’re not going to cover this up because he’s not the right person.
SPEAKER 14 :
John, or I guess you could say the evening of because it’s what is it? There’s 530 there now almost. But bottom line, we’ve got a lot of information. And to your point, a lot of people are able to go out there and grab some of these things before they got scrubbed. And I’ll tell you this. I don’t think I’m going to be wrong in this. You’ll hear this in the news today, possibly tomorrow. By Friday, John, it’s dead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, and especially with a holiday weekend because it doesn’t fit the profile.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s dead because it’s a transgender, sick individual that definitely was on the left that committed this. This story is dead by Friday.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I saw a clip from a previous, from an episode of Bill Maher’s show. He had Ann Coulter on, and he asked, a shooting had just happened. And she goes, well, we know it’s not a straight white guy. And he goes, how do you know that? And she said because his name is in all over every bit of print media. Correct. Again, same thing. Unless it fits their narrative, they’re not going to go anywhere. And this should be a shout out. And I know you’re coming up on Sunday. You’re fine. To the mental health. Some people, like Dr. Kelly said, somebody should be. looking at this and saying, wait a minute, all this transgenderism isn’t healthy and it is mental.
SPEAKER 14 :
I say it all the time, John, and I’m not going to ever back down from this. I don’t care. I don’t care what laws are out there, what people say, what you can and what people say you can or can’t say. The reality is I’ve said it. I’ll keep saying it. It is, in fact, a mental illness. And until we start recognizing that and dealing with it in that way instead of promoting this, I mean, I’ve never known a time in history, John, whereby we promote mental illness like we do now.
SPEAKER 06 :
And 10 years ago, this was a mental illness. It’s just in the last 10, 12 years that the trans community has gotten their, you know, them to say, no, it’s not mental health, it’s a choice and everything.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the inmates are running the asylum now, John. I’m sorry to say that, but that’s exactly what’s happened right now. The inmates are running the asylum. When I was a kid, things like this would have put you into a mental institution, which we had more of then than we do now. And I’m not trying to, you know, it’s funny in a way, but the reality is that’s where they would have been hauled off in a straitjacket, which is If you don’t know what one of those is, some of you that are younger, go look it up. That’s what they would have been done. They would have been hauled off to a mental institution. They would have been treated, hopefully, and maybe rehabbed in doing so, John, and would have come back out realizing that, okay, Robert, you’re still Robert. You’re not Robin, by the way. You’re Robert.
SPEAKER 06 :
But here’s the thing. I read an article a while back. They were saying that part of this was the LGBT movement when – Gays got the right to vote. They had nothing else to protest about, and they just grabbed this as their next thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, dumb on their part. Dumb on their part, because here’s the next thing that’s going to happen. I’ve predicted this for a while. It’s starting to already move in this direction. You’re going to see eventually a separation from the true gay and lesbian individuals to transgenders because they are not one and the same.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, they’re not at all.
SPEAKER 14 :
And John, I will tell you this. Really quick, when these sorts of things happen like what’s happened today, John, it’s going to push that wedge further.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. Because the people who are gay and lesbian and just come out and say, this is who I’ve chosen to be, it’s my lifestyle, I don’t want to force it on anybody else, are going to say, you can’t. Group us with these people who are definitely mentally ill.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. We’re waiting for Sonny. He should be calling us here momentarily. In the meantime, reading through this different post, by the way, New York Post has an article on this as well, talking about how Westman identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that identification. This was back when he petitioned to change his name. But five years later, he seemed to have backed away from that identity. This is a quote from him. It must be in his journal. I really like my outfit. I look pretty smart and modest. I think I want to wear something like this for my shooting. What a wackadoodle. Literally, what an absolute wackadoodle. And yet, and again, folks, you know me. I am all Second Amendment, all for, you know, we have way too many laws along those lines as far as I’m concerned. And it shows here, this is a great example of where those laws didn’t keep anything from happening here. So I am not one to want more gun control laws at all. Although, should somebody this disturbed, Have them? That’s a question. I would say no. Now, I also would say that in this particular situation, and this is where I just, and again, my heart goes out to these families and the kids that are involved and some that are still injured and so on, and I don’t want to step on any toes, but we talk about this stuff a lot, even talk about it on Ready Radio. Bill Anderson and I did several weeks in a row talking about situational awareness and what’s going on and being watchful for different things and signs and so on. And I just always wonder, when it comes to these sorts of things, is there nobody around watching the outside of the school? I mean, evidently, the windows were clear enough to be able to see in, so this individual could do what he did. Does that mean there’s nobody watching out? In other words, looking outside to see that he’s… Coming up with weapons? In other words, why can’t we take him out before he ever gets to this point in the first place? And you notice I’m using he because it is a he. It’s not a she, it’s a he. And that’s always my comment and thought process when these things happen is, okay, how can we defend against this? How do we keep this from happening in the first place? And in this particular case, do we not have video cameras? Do we not have security? Do we not have the ability to watch what’s going on outside of the premises and have people on alert to know that if there’s anybody showing up that we’ve already got people that are staffed and ready to go. And you guys all know me. I’m one for let’s arm every teacher and make sure these things don’t happen in the first place. So the minute this guy steps out, he’s taken out. There’s no questions asked. That’s my feeling on this. That didn’t happen here. And again, I am I’m actually shocked I’m talking about this because Charlie and I have a policy whereby when something like this happens, we wait until all the facts are out before we actually talk about anything. So this morning when I heard about this and I was kind of watching the reports that were coming out and so on, I thought, OK, well, this will be something that I doubt very seriously if I even get to today because we won’t have all the facts. Yet by, I don’t know, I think by 1 o’clock, there were things starting to pour in. I mean, that quickly. And there was no doubt what had actually happened here and what the motives were and some of the video that he put in. He probably did all of us a service by letting folks know and putting a lot of things together ahead of time so that when this happened, everybody would know. But I also say this constantly. Folks that take their own life, even in this situation, they’re not all there either. And I’m sorry, if you’ve got a family member that committed suicide, I feel really bad, but they’ve got some definite mental issues because humans want to save lives, not take them, generally speaking. That includes your own. For example, you fall in the water and your head goes under. What’s the first thing you do? You get your head above water. You do whatever you possibly can to swim. You try to tread water. You try to grab onto something. We do everything we possibly can to live. That’s normal human behavior. We want to live. When we see somebody has a bad accident, the first thing we all do, we run over. Are you okay? What can I do for you? If they’re unconscious, you feel for a pulse. I mean, we do everything we possibly can as humans to help other humans live. Typically speaking, we don’t take each other’s lives unless there’s a mental problem. where I’ve always wondered how the abortion world actually works. I don’t know how you could be an abortion doctor and have what I just talked about not be a mental issue. I’m sorry, I’ll say it straight up. I think they have mental issues as well. You have to become so numb to life that you do those things, because that’s not normal. Taking a life is not normal. It’s why, and John from Cheyenne and others could attest to this, it’s why when we send our kids off to the military, there’s what they call boot camp. And what I call boot camp is it’s a deprogramming, reprogramming camp. We are literally getting young men and women. reprogrammed where they’ll take a life because it’s not normal for us to do so. Some of you that are in the military may or may not believe what I just said, but I’ve had kids that have gone and I never have gone myself, but I will tell you that’s what happens. We have to program our fighting men and women to do what I just said because it’s not natural. It’s not what we normally do. So I look at things like what happened here and the fact that he even took his own life as another. I mean, he took others’ lives as well, but taking his own is even another indication that this person has a screw loose, that there’s a mental problem there. And, unfortunately, he took other lives with him along the way, which is really the saddest part about all of that. So it shouldn’t be that way, but it is. And I’m sorry to say that’s the way it is. But, Joe, you’re up, sir. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, going back to your comment about, you know, things they might have done or could have done, you know, outside security cameras. John, I think that falls under the heading of trying to make a balloon smaller by squeezing it in one place. If… You can’t think of two or three different ways to kill a dozen people in under 60 seconds without using a gun. You’re probably not very smart. I mean, you know, you drive a car, you know, wait till recess, drive a car into a crowd of people. So you can spend all that money, time and effort, you know, like, you know, doing all those things, you know, talk bulletproof glass in the church windows and cameras and outside securities. But John, at the end of the day, you have to accept the fact that, you know, life is a dangerous place.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, I agree, although this, Joe, you and I normally are 100% in agreement on all things. This one I’m going to disagree to a certain extent, because I also feel like if you’re in Christian schools and Catholic schools, especially today, are targets. If you know you’re a target, why would you not shore things up naturally?
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, and to the extent that you want to put things like putting bulletproof glass in your window.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I don’t know that I’m going to go that far. If I were in charge of that facility, I wouldn’t go that far. But to have people watching at all times to see, you know, who’s sneaking around, you know, again, having security cameras and having somebody in a security office that’s watching those things. Joe, I don’t think that’s asking for anything out of the ordinary when we’ve got young kids there. I mean, if it were you and I and it’s all adults there, yeah, you know what? It is what it is. We’ll fend for ourselves. But you’re talking about kids.
SPEAKER 07 :
And, John, and if you did all that, and you can say, and I feel with 99% confidence that the things we’ve done will prevent evil or crazy people. from finding a different way to kill these kids, hey, I’m all for it.
SPEAKER 14 :
And you’re never going to do that. All you can do is go after some of the low-hanging fruit. But I feel, Joe, and I’m sorry, I’ll have to say this, because I feel like this happens in a lot of the Christian community, is we rely, nothing wrong with relying on faith, Joe. And I’m not telling anybody to ever not do that. But there’s times, Joe, where I feel like we rely on faith more than we rely on common sense.
SPEAKER 07 :
True. And you go, and it was interesting, by the way, you talk about Christian schools. I think it was two years ago, almost to the day, that was the Covenant School in Texas.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Where another, I don’t know, transgender woman, transgender man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, did the same thing, went into school with a rifle and, you know, started killing people. And, of course, there was no, and there they had, even though they had locking doors, she just, you know, shot through the glass and, you know, it was one of these doors that just has a metal bar. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Once you got that gone, you can reach in, pull the bar back, and off you go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so they had the doors locked, but they were glass doors, no bars. So the fact that they locked the glass door didn’t really affect it. But again, you had another transgender person. And I guess he or she had a manifesto.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
Just like this one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Very similar.
SPEAKER 07 :
Like this one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, very similar. And, John, this is where I will agree with you on is this whole idea of just the whole transgender nonsense and the supportive, you know, the support of and, you know, these kids especially. I mean, rather than telling these kids what they really need to be hearing, we’re pacifying them, and this is our outcome.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is. And, John, I don’t have the data at my fingertips, but there’s two studies. One is that among transgender people who have undergone the surgery, the hormone, the surgical procedure, their suicide rate is far higher than the ones who never had any of the treatment.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. I’ve interviewed folks along those lines. I’ve talked about that in the past. I don’t have those figures in front of me either, Joe. I’d have to go dig those up. If I’m not mistaken, don’t quote me on these numbers, everybody, but I want to say, Joe, it’s somewhere in the 70 to 80 percentile.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, and then among those who haven’t committed suicide, the majority, I believe it was the majority, regret ever having done it.
SPEAKER 14 :
The depression is huge.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. They go back, reflecting back, they say, I wish I never did it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep. Joe, we’ve got folks now that run around on speaking circuits that have done this that then realize that, man alive, I made the wrong choice. I want to tell others to not do that. They’re running around now trying to warn everybody else what to not get into. And again, the reality is we have pacified this. In fact, you know, unfortunately, we’ve got, you know, a lot of folks in Hollywood where it’s the vogue thing to have your kid transition. What a whack-a-doodle bunch of nonsense, Joe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
Literally. I mean, we’ve got folks out there literally where it’s like a badge of honor because your kid’s transitioning. What a bunch of nonsense.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, a large part of our society is horribly sick, and I don’t know how it’s got that way, but I’m shaking my head because… John, when I was growing up, I think when you were growing up, this would have been unheard of. Oh, yeah. And yet today it’s something to be flaunt. Today people are flaunting it. Back then, if you had a transgender child or, you know, they didn’t even call it that, but you hid it, you were ashamed of it, and today people are flaunting it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes. Yeah, it literally is like a badge of honor. And going back to what you said, and I agree with you, there’s no way that you’re ever going to fully protect – Anybody, any person, any building, anything, because there’s always going to be another way for some sick and twisted individual to figure out how to create harm. The only thing I’m trying to say, Joe, is I do feel like there’s times with a lot of the Christian community, churches included, where it’s this, well, you know, we’ve got the Lord’s protection on us. We don’t need anything else. Well, if only that were true, Joe, if only that were true.
SPEAKER 07 :
If only that was true, yeah. And you can minimize, John, you can never prevent, you can minimize everything. No, I agree with you there.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree with you there. No, you’ll never stop some madman from doing what they really want to do, and I understand that fully. All I’m saying, Joe, is I do feel like, and this is for everybody out there listening, that might be in charge of schools and churches and so on, you still have to be vigilant. You have to have situational awareness. You’ve got to be aware of the things that are going on around you, especially when you’re in charge of those that are a lot, you know, that are kids that are younger than you that cannot protect themselves.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And even with armed staff, John, all you can do is minimize. That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
You cannot have, you know, saying, okay, we can arm staff. We’ll never have a dead student. No, you can’t say that.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no, no, you cannot say that. All you can say is we’re going to do this to minimize any further damage that might happen. So instead of having, you know, 50, we might have two or one. And that’s the goal here is to minimize any damage as much as possible.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. And I want to go back to my squeezing when politicians say, well, we need to ban, you know, assault weapons, what they call an assault weapon. Right. Again, John, that’s like trying to squeeze a balloon. That’s right. That’s right. I agree. So many other ways. You know, one of the deadliest mass murders in this country, the guy got kicked out of a nightclub, went down the street.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
bought a little gas can, two bucks worth of gas, came back, set fire to the steps of the nightclub, killed 86 people with two bucks worth of gasoline.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. No, and those are things, Joe, even in this case. I mean, this guy could have ran around, poured gasoline all around the outside of the building, lit it on fire. I mean, yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, are you going to protect everything? Of course not. You’re not. But my biggest fear, because I guess I grew up in that community, and I know how naive sometimes the Christian community could be. We can’t be naive any longer. That’s my point, Joe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. No, John, you make some great points. And as you said, we agree on 99 percent of the stuff.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, we do. And I appreciate you. I do. I mean, you are always a great resource in these sorts of things, especially because the reality is, you know, you’re a stat guy. You’ve always got the stats on these things, which I appreciate greatly.
SPEAKER 07 :
I do. Yeah, I try to keep them up to date. I keep a little spreadsheet of mass murders and school shootings, unfortunately. And I could go back and tell you how many per year, you know, you name the year and I’ll tell you how many and how many were killed and what was the weapon used. So it’s a sad thing that there’s this.
SPEAKER 14 :
The biggest thing on this one, Joe, that I’m going to close with and for everybody listening, the one thing that we have got to do and we’ve got to have a shift in, and I know we’ve even got laws now in Colorado that pacify this stuff when it comes to these types of individuals. We’ve got to stop doing that, Joe. That’s utter nonsense. This is the result.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is the result. And, John, you’re 100% right that the big question is how do we get it done. Yep. political leadership in your state and many others. I don’t see how we make it happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t either, Joe. That one I don’t have an answer to. Joe, I’ll let you go, man. I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 07 :
You too, John. Take care.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right. We are back closing things out this hour. Marty, what’s going on?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, just a disgrace and disgusting. And here we go again. And I want to highlight, John, and I think you’re in agreement here. These are the consequences of cowardice. These are the consequences of not saying, no, no, no, you’ve crossed the line and I’m not afraid to hurt your feelings, to let you know that you’re disgusting, demon-captured son, cannot become a woman. And so I just wonder, to all the mothers who, over the last decade, have bought into this crap and now have a blue-haired kid of their own sitting on the couch, won’t get out of the house, depressed and on drugs. Are you looking at a ticking time bomb? And are you, mom, having a reality check? Because the consensus is getting pretty clear. This mental illness is now not safe to be around.
SPEAKER 14 :
Marty, I can’t say what you just said any better. I would reiterate that over and over again. And Joe said it as well. You know, you really got to look at the mom here in this particular case. And, you know, I’m not trying to throw mom under the bus because she lost a child. I get that. But on the same token, Marty, she agreed with his name change when he was 17 years of age. What in the world are you thinking as a parent?
SPEAKER 05 :
To these mothers, and this is with love, please, this has got to be cured through the heart of Christ, through the heart of a Christian saying, we’re speaking through this demon that’s captured your family. But this mother saw this child come out of her body and breastfed it, saw every part, washed it. And for only her to come 17 years later and pretend that this was possible, I’m suggesting only demonic capture. John can do that. This is the first thing I was actually that I was on the air the same day as the Tennessee shooter. And there was massive cover up around the Tennessee shooter, the Christian shooter. If you recall back then, I expect this to be named if Trump Trump has a lot of. face to save in front of his MAGA. This is one where we could take the LGBTQ ideology and you stick it out there for everybody to see. This is what wickedness does to families, communities. It stops now. It’s not welcome here. Is there any questions? And he can put, thank you for your attention to this matter. This stops now. It’s unacceptable, Christians. You don’t be afraid to hurt their feelings. I agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, I think those things need to be said over and over again. And I do think what I said earlier, Marty is – and I told this to John – I think you’re going – it’s already starting to splinter in the LGBT community. It’s already – it’s not going to be the T any longer is my point, Marty. I think even they are looking at this saying, wait a minute, timeout. Yeah, we’re not going that far. We don’t really want to be associated with all of this quote-unquote mental illness that’s going on. By the way, not that I agree with their lifestyle either, but at the same time, Marty, we don’t typically see them running around doing these sorts of things that we see in the transgender community.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re 10.000% correct, John. When you introduce this trans, you introduce the surgeries, the hormones, the puberty blocking, the ideology, the acceptance that you’re a freak for life and you must embrace this. You are so right. When you stick the trans on this thing, it supercharges the mental illness. That’s right. The two guys that want to hold hands on the beach, not for me, but you’re not killing me. That’s right. That’s right. near me or my children. God bless you. God bless the country.
SPEAKER 14 :
One last thing, Marty, I want to close with you before you leave. The other issue with all of this that I believe, and this is really where I think it’s gotten super demonic, is the fact that this has become a huge cash cow to those individuals that are actually using these kids as their pawns to make money, Marty. They are the ones really to blame when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, I saw some data. You’re so right. That first year surgery transition is worth up to $50,000 for that practice per patient. You do the math. You can go to a lot of beach vacations. That’s right, Marty. You don’t really care. That’s right. Absolutely. God bless you, brother. Appreciate you, Marty.
SPEAKER 14 :
Thank you very much. And you are spot on. And folks, if you really want to put blame. There was an investigation at Children’s Hospital recently by the federal government along the same lines of what we’re talking about. The wealth that these guys are making, the amount of dollars that are in this, it’s astronomical and it needs to stop. It’s a bunch of nonsense. We’re promoting something that not only is evil, it’s just evil. It’s sick. It’s twisted. We’re planting things into kids’ minds that we should never plant in the first place. It’s got to stop. These sorts of things should be an absolute wake-up call to not only the Christian community, but all communities that this garbage is going on. And I don’t know who could defend… This sort of behavior. If you’re somebody out there that has a transitioning kid, first of all, shame on you for having that and not speaking truth to your own kid, your own flesh and blood, by the way. I can tell you one thing that would never happen in my home and it wouldn’t have happened in my dad’s home because it wasn’t allowed. I’ve given you those stories many times over. And my dad, if there’s one thing he did right. He wasn’t perfect by any means, but if there’s one thing he did right, it was to teach my brother and I to be a man’s man, which I am very thankful for to this day. So, Hour 3 is coming up next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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