This episode of Rush to Reason dives headlong into controversy, opinion, and the gray areas of fairness. Host Andy Pate, Luke Cash, and Tanner Cole dissect viral videos from baseball stadiums, debates over who deserves a souvenir when adults and children scramble for a home run ball, and the fallout that follows—public firings, online shaming, and debates over what’s right. In parallel, the show explores harder-hitting current events: a high-profile murder on public transit, the role of race in media coverage, and first-hand stories of random urban violence. From sportsmanship to social accountability, listeners are invited to weigh in
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And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush today. I’m joined by Tanner Cole. Man. And Luke just stepped into the next room for just a moment, but he will be right back. Tanner, how are you this week?
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I’m fantastic. Won some money this weekend. Won all three of my fantasy matchups. Oh, did you? I can’t complain. Chargers won. Yes! We looked great for the most part, some bad penalties, but didn’t look as bad as the old Denver Broncos, so I’m happy about that.
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No, they did not. They looked a lot better. I was very impressed by the Chargers. We’re going to be talking in Hour 2 at 4.30 with Richard Rush, and we’ll be talking all about the NFL games this weekend because it was quite a launch, wasn’t it?
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Great weekend. Even though Red Zone, they said they were going to have commercials, I barely even noticed them. There was about one an hour, so it worked out well for everyone, I think.
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Yeah, pretty cool. Okay. Oh, all right. I want to ask you a question here. I don’t know if you heard about this, and you probably both heard about this. There was a refugee, a young woman who was killed.
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The Ukrainian woman?
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Yeah, and this is in public transit.
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Yeah.
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And this happened in war-torn Ukraine in Charlotte. Okay. Okay. That’s basically what it is. Because everybody talks about war-torn Ukraine, war-torn Ukraine, and we’re supposed to be pro-Ukraine. Luke is back in. By the way, Luke Cash.
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Man, I’m here. Welcome in. Hello.
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Thank you, sir. And, well, her name is Irina. Sorry, Irina Zorutska. Irina Zorutska. And she was killed by an assailant. What did this assailant look like?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, he had quite the rap sheet of criminal history, we’ll just say. And I think he was in and out of the streets, maybe. I didn’t read the full story. Couldn’t watch the video. All I saw was the photo and I was already, my body, I was already shaking just from the photo of the man towering over her, just minding her own business on a bus.
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Right. She was sitting in this bus, and he stabbed her multiple times and slit her. I don’t want to go into describing it all, but he murdered her.
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I mean, he was also – I mean, it’s a big dude. He was behind her, too, like in the seat behind her. And you see in the video, it’s like out of nowhere, like a single moment snaps, and the dude gets up and then fully lunges and goes at her. She was a beautiful girl, too, from the photos I’ve seen.
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Lovely young girl.
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Yeah. Now, I think pretty much everybody knows this by now. He was black and she is white. And my question is simply this, because we’re taking a look at across the media, PBS, zero mention of this incident. In fact, you go down through all of them. AP, zero. New York Times, zero. Every single one of them, zero, zero, zero. Zero mention of this thing at all. Do me a favor, guys. Let’s reverse their races. Okay, so a white guy comes up behind this beautiful young black girl on this bus and out of nowhere attacks her for no reason. What would be the story?
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George Floyd 2.0.
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Yeah. What do you think, Luke?
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I mean, probably right. I’m shocked that I didn’t see anything about this either. You guys were mentioning the news sources who weren’t reporting on it. The first time I saw this was on a TikTok reel. Like I was scrolling through social media and it appeared there before I heard it anywhere else.
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Yeah, I mean, it was absolutely horrifying. Folks, this is what really gets me. We’re talking about a media blackout across the United States. Now, of course, on conservative media, they’re talking about it. And therefore, conservative media is looked at as white supremacist and, you know, racist.
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We’re pro-Ukraine.
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We’re pro-Ukraine. You know, it’s it’s very simply this. I am pro even handedness. OK, I am pro it. Look, nobody should be killing anybody. Nobody should be slaughtering anybody in front of them. But if the if it was reversed, would this be seen as a hate crime? Would this be seen as a racist crime? If a white man did this to a helpless black woman in front of him, would it even be? I mean, questioned.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, what would you be hearing everywhere? You would be hearing this is a white supremacist who murdered this beautiful young black girl for no reason. And by the way, you’d be right to say that. OK, it’d be terrible. It would be racist. And they are absolutely looking at this like it never even happened.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, this has been happening. I can’t even tell you how long, but every time a black person attacks a white person, the left never talks about it. Whereas the one time, you know, some black guy like Daniel Perry or the train situation. Right. That was national news for weeks. And they would bring up the court cases and, oh, this guy is a racist, that he would tackle a homeless black guy who was causing havoc on a train. Turned out he saved lives. Exactly. And then you see this and everyone’s just like… Mum on it.
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Yeah. Here you got the reverse of it. But this guy is actually the killer.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
He’s not saving lives. He’s doing the opposite. And we mentioned nothing.
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He’s the aggressor.
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You know, one of the reasons that this is very important to me, it would be important to me anyway, folks. I don’t care. To me, any killing is wrong. Any racial killing is wrong. It’s just wrong. Racism is wrong.
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Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
But for those who don’t know, my wife was a victim of the knockout game. Okay, now do you know what the knockout game is?
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Yeah, it was an old trend.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, this is, you know, what is it? I think it’s over a decade ago.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Yeah, I was going to say like mid-2000s.
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Yeah, it’s pretty old. And what it was is this. Black people were walking up behind white people in urban areas. And out of the blue, the goal was to hit them as hard as you could in the back of the head to knock them out. And it was pure racism, okay, to simply assault black people. a helpless white person from behind as hard as you could and hit them. Now, the knockout game, Democrats for a while were trying to say it didn’t exist and it was ludicrous. Finally, it came out. Yes, it absolutely did exist. Well, this happened to my wife. She was standing downtown and I forget what she was waiting for. I don’t think it was a bus. I forget what she was down there. She works downtown. Okay. You know, my wife, Corey, she’s 5’1″.
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Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Small lady. Okay. This guy was my size. And, you know, pretty muscular, too. He comes up from behind her and does this to her and drops her, like, you know, almost to her knees. She actually steadies herself a little, but he nails her right in the back of the head. Then he takes off. He gets caught. All right. And they took him in, and they let him off with nothing. Basically nothing. Like a warning or whatever.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, you could easily kill someone before they even hit the ground.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’ve seen my wife. What if any of the three of us hit someone the size of my wife from behind? We could kill her. That was attempted murder.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Attempted murder for sure.
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Especially if you have no idea what’s coming. You could kill a full-grown man hitting him in the back of the head. That’s why it’s against the rules in UFC. It is very easy to end a life doing that.
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Right. But you see, when we look at these urban areas under Democrats, and this is what really makes me insane. If we were to go back 100 years, it was reverse, right? A white person could do whatever they wanted to a black person and get away with it. And everybody would look the other way. Guess what? That was wrong, too.
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Right.
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All right. Wrong is wrong. my my wife would she have been willing to press charges of course right she was totally willing they didn’t even want to talk to her about it now the cops and the paramedics were wonderful and they they treated her very well but i think they knew they knew the legal system in these urban areas if you go out in these urban areas and you’re a white folk i got news for you you’re a target
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Head on a swivel.
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Yeah. Have your head on a swivel because you are a target. And I hate to say that because I don’t want to look around. It’s not like I look around at people of color and they’re suddenly all dangerous. No, they aren’t. I know a lot of them. They’re spectacularly wonderful people. Okay. My life, as I’ve said many times, was completely changed in the military by a black man named Big Mike who turned me around because I needed it. Because I was a whiny little youth. Now I’m a whiny adult. I’m totally different. Sam, totally different.
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Big Mike would be… You’re saying Big Mike turned you into a man? He turned me into a man.
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Now I’m a whiny man.
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You mean the former first lady?
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No, not that big, Mike. Oh, gosh, this guy. I had to say it. That’s funny. No, this guy was fantastic, and I was this young hothead. I’m a very emotional person by nature, but I’m totally different. If you’d known me back then, you would just be like, will you shut up? I mean, even more than you do now.
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Okay, yeah, exactly. That’s impressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of growth there.
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Well, Mike turned my life around. And so it’s like, guys, this isn’t about that. It’s about treating everybody the same. And I’m telling you right now, not in Charlotte, not in Denver, not in San Francisco, not in Baltimore, not in Chicago, none of these places are you treated equally at all. You’re not safe. And if somebody does something to you, be it a mob, You know, beating up… Where was that? Cincinnati. Yeah, being a mob, beating up some white people in Cincinnati or in any of these urban areas. I got news for you. They can do that, and I guarantee you, number one, they are going to get the minimum done to them for it. I think everybody should get the max. If it’s white people doing it to black, I think you should go to prison the rest of your life. I don’t care. Okay? But I’m telling you, it’s dangerous. Right. And what happened, the fact that if those… You know, if the races were reversed with what just happened in Charlotte, it would be everywhere.
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Yeah.
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There would be a national outpouring and they would be saying, we have to change everything. Right. We have to change all kinds of laws. We have to do something to stop this. The Biden White House, what did they say for four years? The number one threat in America is white supremacy. Right. Guys, the number one threat in America is sin. And sin knows no color. It doesn’t care. Sin just hates. Sin destroys. Okay? Sin is our selfishness acting out on others. We want what we want and we’re going to do whatever we want to someone else because they’re in our way. Okay? And when you take any group, any group, and you coddle them and tell them, hey, we’re going to defend you no matter what, they’re going to act out and they’re going to become worse. And I think that’s what we’re seeing. What do you think?
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I agree. I mean… Not to go in the weeds, but I see people on social media depending on… There’s more white people in America than any other race, maybe if you discount illegals, but… I see white hate more than anything else. I hate all white people. I wish white people would leave this country. We built this country. They didn’t do it. So I don’t know. It’s a sad time. And I also think there’s a lot more mental health problems out there than ever before. And it seems to be – you see it everywhere on the streets. You can see it in downtown Denver, wherever you want. And some of these people are on so many drugs or medical or not – They’re just crazy and do terrible things to people that are just minding their own business trying to get along with their day.
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You see, I like to live life by this statement. All people are beautiful. Every child is a miracle. No exceptions. I think we need to get back to that.
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Yeah, we need to get back to a loving community, America first, American citizens first. And we are all in this together, but fighting amongst races or religions isn’t going to help anyone.
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Well, before we go to break, let me ask you both this, because here’s what I worry about. I worry about white racism making a comeback. OK, well, because, you know, after a while, people and they hear on shows like this, they hear Andy talking. I’m just giving the story. I’m saying, gee, what if we reverse the races? What would it be like? I worry because our white people then going to start turning around and saying, I’m going to lash out. We’ve got to take up arms. We’ve got to do this. By the way, I believe in the Second Amendment, but you know what I mean. We’ve got to fight back. Folks, that’s not the answer. The answer is to love. Do you see a threat that that could happen, that it could come back?
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I hope not. Yeah, I think if it goes unmanaged, there’s a probability of it. I think especially when it comes to an issue as big as this, I feel like it can feel very insurmountable, but a lot of people fail to recognize that the biggest change you can make is… both yourself and in your immediate community, right? Like where you need to be the change you want to see, right? It is your responsibility as a human being to treat everyone one with respect, right? Like look internally first and make sure you are projecting those good things outward as opposed to relying on society as a whole to change around you. So like I said, if it goes unmanaged, I think it could come back, which is why it’s important for every individual to recognize that, you know, these are the important values and these are the values I need to embody in order to see that change affected.
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That’s fantastic. I think I’m going to end it with this. What I would really like to see, the reason I want to see the media treat all these cases equally and not go silent on one side and then make it a national furor on the other side is because they are creating a the lash back that i don’t want to see right they’re going to bring out the worst in other people and i don’t want that you know when you start not treating people equally you’re going to create hate you’re going to create resentment you’re going to create bad things and i don’t want to see that here in america okay by the way there’s also something else i don’t want to see here in america and that is a lady taking a baseball from a kid oh my gosh they fired her We’re going to talk about that when we come back here to Rusteries. And up next is Roof Savers. Dave Hart at Roof Savers did roof repair for years, and he learned how roofs could have lasted far longer at a lower price with treatment. To add 5, 10, or even 15 years of life to your roof, call Dave at 303-710-6916.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. And folks, if you want to give us a call and weigh in on anything or just to say hi, it’s 303-477-5600. Okay, Tanner, did you bring up the article on this?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so what exactly happened? Was this in Philly?
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Yeah, it was in Philly. I think it was Harrison Bader who’s on their team of the Phillies. He hit a home run. Sure enough, a dad there for his son’s 10th birthday runs and goes and grabs a home run that… There was people sitting around, but it was kind of one of those home runs where it just lands, and then there’s like five people trying to grab it. Whoever grabs it first, it’s yours.
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Right, yeah, sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
And if there’s a kid there, usually an adult gives it to the kid. Yeah. There’s some people that don’t do that. But this Karen, as we all call crazy moms now.
SPEAKER 17 :
So really quick, though, he gives it to his son for his 10th birthday.
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Walks it over like six seats to his son. Okay, what happens next? The crazy lady comes running over, Karen haircut, Karen face, everything. And is demanding the ball back. I don’t know the exact words, but she had a right to it instead of this little kid there for his birthday. And he also had his daughter there. So there’s two kids and she wants this ball. And the dad was just like, I don’t want to be dealing with this anymore. And gave the ball back to… the Karen. However, Harrison Bader, after the game, had the family come down, and I’m pretty sure he signed a bat and gave it to the kids.
SPEAKER 17 :
He did, and also, wasn’t it the Marlins who were in town? I think they also gave him a bunch of stuff.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good on those organizations and good on Bader, but that lady, I don’t know if they have her name yet, but she will be getting fired.
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I believe she has been. And she was, I believe, possibly even a government worker or something like that, or maybe worked social services or something like that.
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Yeah.
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She looks like Pocahontas. She does. She looks like Liz Warren.
SPEAKER 05 :
She kind of does, yes.
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I’m sorry, Pocahontas, not the real Pocahontas, who is a gorgeous Disney character, of course. No, she looks like her, and she’s just the ultimate Karen, just terrible. So, Luke, nobody boos, by the way, more than Philly fans.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, 100%.
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Okay, so this happens. You are this woman. Can you even imagine? No. Going after this guy to get the ball away from his son.
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I mean, how much free time do you have to have for this to be like your big fight of the evening, right? Like this is what matters to you. I don’t know anything about baseball. Anyone who’s listened to me on this show knows me enough to know that I don’t know sports ball at all. I’ve seen baseball in the news a lot recently. This seems to be a trend of like these big CEOs or CFOs, people in power, like stealing home run balls from children. Like it’s happened a couple times now. Yeah.
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She just sounds like someone who would kick the crutches out from under the disabled. I mean, this sounds like a really terrible person. So she does that, and she’s getting booed. They’re raining down boos on her, of course, because Philly, giving them a reason to boo, I mean, you’ve just fulfilled their entire purpose in life. And she’s like flipping them off and angrily.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s like surely she knows that this is being recorded, right?
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Yes, everything’s recorded.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess if you’re stealing a ball from a kid, you don’t have any self-awareness. So being recorded is the least of your worries.
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I don’t think so, no. And here’s another question, though. If you were the dad, would you have given the ball back? Now, I understand why he did it. I’m not coming down on him. I understand he was trying to defuse a terrible situation. I’ll hook my kid up later. I’ll take care of him. But this is turning into a monstrous thing that’s going to make my kid’s birthday terrible. So I’m going to end it. I get why he did it, but would you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Probably not, but in that circumstance, with everyone right there, I probably would have given it back. I mean, it worked out. I’d rather have a signed bat than a baseball with no signature on it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, no, it worked out great.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, and I’m happy that it did, but the entitlement, and she’s not young, so these young, entitled kids, Luke and I’s age, or even younger, is one thing, but seeing a 60-year-old woman get that furious over a home run ball is unbelievable. She might have been drunk, too.
SPEAKER 17 :
She looks like every radical left prof.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
At a college I have ever seen. She’s like a composite of all of them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go ahead. This is a woman who’s never been told no her entire life. Right. I mean, that level of entitlement isn’t something you’re born with. It’s something you’re given after so many decades of having never been challenged. And it’s unfortunate, too, because you can’t, right? Like you said, the guy made the right decision. You give the ball back. A person like that cannot be reasoned with. There’s nothing you are going to do to get that situation to stop, and she’s only going to get crazy. Right, and she might start hitting you, and she was probably just finished berating her husband. So she was already hot. You could just feel it. The problem will solve itself. She’s getting fired. And I think there was a tweet recently. Someone fact-checked me on this. A tweet recently saying that she was, like, banned from future games.
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Oh, she was. But how would you like to be her husband? I wouldn’t. Embarrassment right there. My wife is just wonderful to children. Okay, she is fantastic to kids. And the idea of her doing this in a game, taking a ball from a kid. I mean, oh, my gosh. Okay. No, actually, there’s quite a furor over this. I’m using that word a lot.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. And quite an uproar. And people are really upset. A lot of people are upset at the dad. And they’re actually calling him out saying, how dare you give that ball back and take it away from your kid. Luke, I think you make a good point. I think you could go either way. Let’s put it that way. He was trying to diffuse an awful situation with a crazy person.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Yeah. You don’t reason with her. If you kept that ball, the situation would have gotten worse, and then security would have gotten involved. And talk about a ruined birthday.
SPEAKER 17 :
It was a no-win.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
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100%.
SPEAKER 17 :
And Tanner, you’re right. I mean, in the end, they did win.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, my gosh. Getting an autographed bat…
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Because if you don’t give her that ball, she might start hitting you. Then now you’re upset. And what if you hit her or she, you know, storms back and then grabs her drink, throws it on you? I mean, the amount of things that could have happened if he didn’t just give that ball. I think best case scenario, you got to defuse the situation. And plus, she’s going to pay the ultimate price.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and the kid winds up getting pictures with the player and all this. I mean, you know, he is set for life.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would kill for that as my 10th birthday. Oh, yeah. That is the ideal meeting the athletes you look up to and getting memorabilia.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, all right. Here’s another one. Okay, let’s say you’re an employer and one of your employees, because she was an employee, and I forget exactly where, but one of your employees makes, I’m just going to say it, an ass out of themselves in public to this degree. You have to fire them.
SPEAKER 06 :
You have to get them gone.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because how can you have anybody, any of your customers or anybody come in and see that person at your place? They’re so toxic. I mean, this person is nationally toxic.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Your business will fall apart. Just their stock. There was some other instance, not the whole Coldplay thing, but there was some instance recently where someone screwed up who was a CEO of a company, and that stock has dropped like 20 points. So you can not only screw yourself over losing your job, that company might be… Screwed up for a couple years.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. Oh, and by the way, I want to do what nobody was doing with the Charlotte story. I want to mention her race. She’s a white woman.
SPEAKER 05 :
White Ukrainian. Yes. So does that mean we’re not pro-Ukraine Democrats?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, she’s not Ukraine.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m pretty sure she’s Ukrainian.
SPEAKER 17 :
She’s Ukrainian, too?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, not the Karen.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, no, no. I’m talking about the Karen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Sorry. I thought you were going back to the bus story.
SPEAKER 17 :
Obviously, I couldn’t care less what her color is. But I’m just saying because of the first story, right? She was horrible.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s one of those HOA ladies that comes out, oh, your trash is two inches from the curb. I need you to move that. Insufferable. Go do something with your life.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, not really a hot take, but kind of a hot take. I hope with everything in my heart, every part of my being, I hope we can bully these kinds of people out of existence entirely. I want to bully them so hard that they second-guess every decision they do. When they wake up in the morning and think if they put the left sock on or the right sock on first, I need them in their head ruminating, wondering how they’re going to be perceived because we cannot allow this kind of behavior to persist.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, I’ll tell you what. We’ve already got a couple of people wanting to call in and weigh in on this. They’re calling in, and we’re going to go to break first. But before we do, I just want to say, folks, Good news.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good news.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re all adults. If you go to these games, you’re bigger than the kids. You can probably get that ball. If it’s that important to you, flex a little muscle.
SPEAKER 05 :
I kind of wish the ball bounced off her head and he caught it and gave it to his son.
SPEAKER 17 :
All I’ll say is this, my gosh, don’t you ever take something from a kid. They’re so wonderful and don’t do that. Okay, let’s go to break. When we come back, we got Richard online, then John from Cheyenne. Up next is Michael Bailey Law. First of all, Michael Bailey would never take the ball from the kid.
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SPEAKER 16 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason. And welcome back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 17 :
Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLC 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. Man.
SPEAKER 16 :
And Luke Cash. Man.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, by the way, I got some other news. Apparently the woman also demanded to have the bike that the dad gave the kid earlier in the day for his birthday.
SPEAKER 04 :
And his cake as well.
SPEAKER 17 :
She also went to the home, took the cake. So I’m telling you what, she took a lot of stuff. Oh, did we lose Richard? Richard, give us a call right back. You were next in line, but up next now is John in Cheyenne. John, what do you think of this? Would you have taken that ball?
SPEAKER 09 :
Would I have taken it from a kid? No. I know. I think if I was to, you know, I try to be a good Christian a lot of times, but every now and then the Brooklyn comes out in me. And I’m not a good Christian then. I had an incident in the height of COVID in a Costco parking lot. I’m walking through the parking lot without a mask on. I’m outside. Yeah. And this woman started yelling at me. And I told her to shut up and mind her own business. And she started yelling louder. And then I had to use a few choice words that I learned in a military barracks. You know those words. Oh, I do.
SPEAKER 17 :
I do.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the ones that George Carlin said you can’t say on radio and TV. Exactly.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, we actually gave them to him. He had consulted with the military.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and her husband went to say something, and he came up to about my chin, and I said, I don’t have a problem with hitting you in the mouth. I wouldn’t hit a woman, but I wouldn’t have a problem with hitting him, and they just walked away. So you’ve got to confront bullies, and that’s what she was, in my opinion. She was a bully. But she’s getting her comeuppance now. But going back to the weekend, I think this was the best opening NFL weekend I’ve seen in a long time, and my team was terrible.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, your team was terrible. Were they missing their top pick?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, he played. Or did he play? He had half a sack.
SPEAKER 09 :
Did you see? Look, you want to know why the Giants lost? Look at the time of possession. Okay. When you score six points and the other team has the ball over 40 minutes, I don’t care if you’ve got the 85 Bears or the 86 Giants defense, you’re not going to win.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, you know, John, also, you guys weren’t getting any turnovers. And what I think you should have done is consulted with this woman so she could take the ball away. What do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
Maybe, yeah. She could teach your defense. I love the… Yeah, it’s… I say… So… I said it when he first went to Denver, and I’m going to say it now. Russell Wilson is washed up. He is. Nobody should have hired him. He didn’t do well in Denver. He didn’t do well in Pittsburgh. And he’s not doing well with the Giants. I figure six games. And he’s on the bench, and Dart will be starting.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s what I was going to ask you. I don’t think Jackson Dart is long for that bench. I think he’s going to be off it. Go ahead, Tanner.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll say six games, plus or minus. So here’s my question.
SPEAKER 17 :
If you were coach, no, no, no, one second. If you were coach, how many games would it be?
SPEAKER 09 :
I would give it because preseason is gone. These guys don’t play enough. You’ve got to give them two or three games to get the offense in game shape. I would say by game four, if they don’t look decent on offense, that I’m looking at Dart.
SPEAKER 17 :
You see, I would too. I was thinking week four. Go ahead, Tanner.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, there’s a former Giants quarterback who had a pretty good opening day, and he plays in Indianapolis now.
SPEAKER 17 :
This had to anger you, John. I’m sorry, but my gosh. He was on fire.
SPEAKER 09 :
He did a little bit, but I mean, he never showed us that stuff in New York. And he had two different head coaches. So I’m not going to say, I don’t know, maybe it’s the New York curse. I know you guys have heard of that. You know, there are players that play great in other cities. They go to New York, especially in baseball. and they’re just flops because of the media pressure.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, he went to Indy, and it looked like Peyton Manning was back.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Dallas Clark and Marvin Harrison.
SPEAKER 17 :
Didn’t he throw for, like, over 360 yards or something crazy? No, no, that was the Raiders. But, I mean, he really had a big day. That’s got to hurt.
SPEAKER 09 :
So, watching football this weekend, Andy, your Packers were more impressive than I thought they would be.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. They were lights out.
SPEAKER 09 :
What about you? Yeah, you thought it was going to be a close game, but I remember you picked them, didn’t you?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, I picked the Lions. Oh, you did? I did. I mean, I thought it would be a good game, but I thought the Lions were just a better team. And we’ll talk about this in the second hour. I don’t want to spend much time. But Green Bay took them out to the woodshed right from the start. This was a spanking.
SPEAKER 09 :
Getting rid of the fourth preseason game, If you remember, before they got rid of that game, they used to play that third game, used to be the offense starting would play at least a half. Now, these guys aren’t even getting a half over the three games. They’re so afraid of them getting hurt. So that’s why I’m in the opinion that fourth game, you really will start to see the offenses play well.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, and I’m going to just go out on a limb here and say by week four, Jackson Dart is the starter of the New York Giants.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m going to go week four.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re going to go week six. We’ll start the countdown.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, my last question for all the Bronco fans out there. After last night’s game, are they still regretting not drafting Josh Allen?
SPEAKER 17 :
Probably. That is so cold. All right, John, let me let you go. You have a good one. Okay, Richard, you’re on the line right now. Richard, you disagree on the baseball thing. Richard? Hello? Richard, are you there?
SPEAKER 06 :
We’ve lost him.
SPEAKER 17 :
We’ve lost Richard again. He must have… Oh, I think he has a – Richard, perhaps you muted your phone. You have a bad connection. Really quick here. We’ll wait for Richard to get that right. He’s on the line right now. But there are those who believe that the dad absolutely should not have given back the ball.
SPEAKER 05 :
I understand that, but, like, what’s he going to do? Like, just let this random lady keep berating him? I mean, next is violence probably because she’s going to hit him.
SPEAKER 17 :
Maybe the dad could have offered a lot of the other toys the kid got. Put her in a – Look, my kid is going to keep the ball, but I did give him this bike.
SPEAKER 05 :
Here’s a beer for you. You should have just put her in like a rear naked choke. Then she would have been quiet and walked back.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say I don’t think she needed more beer.
SPEAKER 06 :
No. What do you think, Lou? I think she’s done on beer probably for a good while. She needs to save the money. She’s the reason.
SPEAKER 17 :
She’s out of a job. Honestly, it is people like that who are the reason some people don’t want alcoholic games.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Well, in some soccer stadiums, they don’t allow it because the fans get too crazy, and we’ll try to fight the cops.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, you see, in Green Bay, there wouldn’t be any fans if there was no alcohol at the game. Okay, Richard, are you back with us?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
There you are. We’ve been having phone problems, Richard. I’m talking to your engineer. Fine. Okay. Well, welcome to the show. And what are your thoughts on the woman taking the baseball and the dad giving it back to her?
SPEAKER 14 :
I think the gentleman went out of his way to out-muscle the lady for the ball in the first place. And she may have even had a small kid to give it to. But labeling her a Karen, I think, is incorrect. He’s almost more of a toxic male than she is a Karen.
SPEAKER 17 :
You think he’s a toxic male because he out-muscled her for the ball?
SPEAKER 14 :
He went out of his way to go over there. She almost had the ball in hand, if not in hand, and he went and took it away.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, now I have not seen, I’ll be honest, I have not seen the video. I’ve only heard the story.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the headlines are all over the place labeling her as an evil Karen. And if you look at the video, it’s very clear. He went from where he was sitting to where she was and took it away from her.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, Tanner, what do you think?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, from the videos I’ve seen, there’s about five people all there trying to get the ball. And when there’s a home run and no one catches it directly, it’s kind of a free throw. I’ve seen it hit off people and other people caught it. So I understand that point. I just think, who knows, maybe she did have a kid to give it to. But just kind of the way she approached him, if we knew what words were said, it’d be a lot easier for everyone to make an opinion. But since there’s so much up in the air, it is… The internet’s going to jump to one side or the other.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Richard. Oh, go ahead, Luke. I was going to say, I think… If the circumstances were he was muscling his way through to take the ball away from this woman, like if his intent was to be malicious, then why would he so readily and easily give it away when pressed? Right? Like if his intention was to be aggressive, then he continued to be aggressive.
SPEAKER 17 :
So, Richard, you feel that he suddenly had a moment of conscience, which he had just abandoned a minute before, and now he had a moment of conscience and decided, I’m going to give the ball back. even though I gave it to my kid.
SPEAKER 14 :
He was wrong. He went out of his area into her face.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, let me ask this once again. And I’m deferring to you a bit here, Richard, because you’ve seen this, the film. I’ve only seen the story.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I know the headlines are going with the popular notion of an aggressive woman must be a Karen. No, no, I got it.
SPEAKER 17 :
I got it. But here’s a quick question. Isn’t it always really a scrum, though, going after the ball? I mean, it’s all… When it’s the man against the man, I don’t…
SPEAKER 14 :
Mind it, because that happens all the time.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, but Richard, you’ve got to let me finish the question, okay? Let me finish laying it out here. I’m not going to cut you off. I want to hear from you. Okay. You see, I have seen the balls go into the stands so many times in baseball, and I’ve seen people go after them. And it’s women, it’s men, it’s girls, it’s boys. And it is, I’m telling you what, it is savagery. And they go after each other. And a lot of times the girls come up with them, too, because, you know, hey, they’re quick, too. They get to the ball. They grab it. Now, if she had the ball in hand and he tore it out of her hands, that’s one thing. But otherwise, wouldn’t it simply be him rushing to the ball, not thinking about a woman, man or whoever is around me, just rushing to the ball? And you look at it in retrospect and it’s, well, he is more muscular. He’s a guy. Right. And he’s getting the ball. So he’s taking it away from her. But in the moment, is he really thinking that or is he just trying to get to the ball? Because when I’ve seen these things at baseball games and I’ve seen a lot. It’s just people charging to the ball, and it’s everybody equally. No gender there. What do you think?
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s why it’s so easy to think that he was okay because of the notions of what does usually happen. But she was all but had the ball at her feet in her hand, and he came over and just took it away.
SPEAKER 17 :
So she had the ball at her feet. in her hands just about, and he went right in front of her and tore it away. One second, Tanner.
SPEAKER 05 :
In the video, she’s seen next to an older gentleman as well who we can only assume is her husband and no kids around in the same seats. And plus, he was giving the ball to his kid, and then when you see her approach him, he’s, like, frightened because he’s so shocked that she would even come up to him. He went like this.
SPEAKER 17 :
Did you see him get the ball, though, when she was there?
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, there’s five people there, and he just happens to come up with it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, so there’s five people, so it’s not just… Okay, so, Richard, let’s be clear on one thing. It’s not just two people involved. One woman who has the ball, one guy who swoops in, grabs it from her. What we’re talking about is a scrum. We’re talking five people converging on a spot. But you’re saying at least she was there first.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, he got right in her face and came out of his way to do it. And scrum or no scrum, it’s like I think I’m a little more of a gentleman than that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Well, Tanner just showed it to me. From what I saw, it was just a bunch of people converging. I didn’t see one guy knock a woman out of the way who had it. but did you see it Tanner because he’s looking at it too okay guys we don’t really I think we’re going to have to say it was a photo finish and you know a bunch of people here’s the thing though I mean she did go over and demand the ball back from a child who he had given it to his kid I mean that’s pretty harsh don’t you think Richard well that’s the sympathy vote that’s for sure Well, but it’s also a sympathy vote if it let’s say it landed right at her feet and she’s a woman and he charges in and tears it away from her. I would have to say you make a good point with that, Richard, because that would be pretty harsh. And I agree. Sound fair? OK, fair enough. All right, Richard. Hey, thanks for listening, man. Thanks for giving us the other perspective, because I want to hear that, because that’s a good look. He makes a good point, don’t you think? I mean, if that’s how it went down.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we have no idea what was said. I mean, the dad could have been, like, very rude about it. Who knows?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and there’s another problem here, guys. Those balls, it goes down behind seats.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. And it’s moving around. It’s moving around. Someone kicks it. It’s kicking around. It hits some popcorn. I mean, there’s so many elements that go into it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and the bottom line is it may have happened exactly as Richard said. Right. At which point he did overpower a woman for a ball. That’d be bad.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I don’t even think he touched her, but… Fair enough.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s still a Karen in my book.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, she’s still a Karen in your book. Luke, you’ve got to break the tie. Go.
SPEAKER 06 :
The play on the field stands, I think. The ball was in the child’s possession, and then she removed it, in essence, from the child’s possession, and that is a rude thing to do, regardless of the circumstances beforehand.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, sounds good, guys. Okay, let’s go to break. When we come back, I want to talk about in Britain, they decided to bust somebody for saying something. Oh, yeah, classic. You’re going to want to hear this. Okay, up next is somebody who would never do that. Cub Creek, heating and air. Okay, it’s September, so don’t wait until November to get your heating checked. That’s a busy time. Call Cub Creek now and get it checked and tuned. So when others are panicking, you’ll be relaxed and comfy. Call Cub Creek. at 303-656-5467.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 17 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. Okay, guys, my two men here. In Britain, this is in London, a man has been arrested in the UK. Now, and they show the film of it. Sorry, I’m having some technical difficulties here today. But I was going to play this. Bottom line, this guy is being arrested by several cops who converge around him.
SPEAKER 05 :
For speaking the gospel?
SPEAKER 17 :
No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He called a woman a name. Okay. He called a woman a name. And they’re going to arrest him, first of all, for calling a woman a name.
SPEAKER 05 :
Was it a bad name?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, we’ll get to that in a moment. Now, I don’t believe you should be going around calling women names.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay, I’m a very gallant kind of guy. I don’t believe in doing that kind of thing. But the name was Muppet. He called her a Muppet.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve heard Gordon Ramsay say that a hundred million times.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s a British thing. People say it to each other all the time. I’ve been called a Muppet by British friends I have.
SPEAKER 06 :
To be fair, it’s a pretty good insult. You say someone looks like a Muppet, that’s insulting.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yeah, but should you be arrested for calling somebody a Muppet? Now, first of all, as you happen to know, I love the Muppets. I would take it as a compliment. If I am compared to Kermit, I believe I’ve reached the heights of human civilization. But that’s just me. So she called a woman a Muppet. What does it mean if you call somebody a Muppet?
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s kind of a joke. A joke? I don’t know. We should ask a British person. Any British people listening to Rush to Reason this evening, call in and let us know what a Muppet means.
SPEAKER 05 :
You can just look on Google Muppet English slang, a stupid, foolish, or incompetent person. Yeah, you’re dumb, kind of. All right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Or a joke. He said something mean to her. Okay. And as you know, we have the comic over there who called somebody, I think, a racial name or something, and he got busted. And, yeah, J.K. Rowling, you know, she wrote Harry Potter. She came out, and she’s very upset that what they’re doing right now over in Britain, folks, and we come from Britain, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. They are arresting people for what they say.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
The First Amendment, they don’t got that.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, there is no free speech over there.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m very tapped into what goes on in England just because I’m such a huge soccer fan. But people get arrested every day for just going outside and reading the Bible out loud with a microphone.
SPEAKER 06 :
You can get arrested for what you post online, on social media.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, you know what? That’s actually what he did. I think he posted online and insulted somebody. He’s a comedian. Okay, comedians insult people. It’s kind of what they do. And he did this. He got busted. This guy called a woman a Muppet. I’m telling you, you should see the film here. You got like four cops, three cops or four cops converge around him to corner him.
SPEAKER 05 :
Was his name Graham Linehan?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think so. Not sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know. That’s what I’m reading. But yeah, no, I mean, there’s this little girl in Ireland, I believe.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, Graham Linehan. Oh, that’s the comedian. That’s the comedian. That’s not this guy who got guys. They cuffed him like behind his back out of his house. Yes. And the reason they said they cuffed him. This guy, yeah. Well, I don’t know where he is in front of his house, business, whatever. But he’s on the street. The reason they said they cuffed him was because in case he had a weapon.
SPEAKER 06 :
What weapon do you have in Britain? I don’t know. A soup spoon? I have no clue. There’s a lot of knife violence.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, there is a lot of knife violence. Because they don’t have guns. Right, because they don’t have guns. Because he called a woman a muppet.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s insane. Well, there was a 13-year-old girl, her and her friend in Ireland were just minding their own business. I don’t know who was recording, but these two illegal Islamic freaks were kind of creeping on these girls, and she pulled out a machete and a hatchet. Oh, my. Yeah. And the video went viral, sure enough, the next day. The Irish police arrest the little girl, and were basically dragging her down the city streets. She’s like 13, trying to protect herself from a strange, crazy, super Islamic guy. You know… I mean, they’re having stabbings, rapes, everything bad that could happen with all these illegal people coming in is happening there, and they won’t talk about it here, but…
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, Europe’s been overrun. J.D. Vance, he came out and basically said, we’ve got a real problem with England, he said, because they are, he said, in a few years, they could be an Islamic nation with nukes.
SPEAKER 05 :
The number one name in their country is Mohammed, and it’s in every city, in every big city in England.
SPEAKER 17 :
You see, this is why you have to be careful about immigration. You can’t just let your culture be overrun from anywhere, okay? Because you’re going to have people come in who don’t believe in what you’ve set up as a culture. They don’t believe in democracy and republic and all these things. And they come in and they throw all that out because now they outnumber you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, anyway, folks, don’t go to England, or if you do, please don’t call anyone a Muppet. I wouldn’t want anything to happen to you. Fair enough. You’ll be taken down fast. Okay, that’s it for hour number one. And hour two, you know what? I think we’re going to start off and talk about you two are going to help me fix the Democrat Party in Hollywood. Sound good? I don’t want to, but I’ll try. They’re not reaching men. And after that, we’re going to have Richard Rush. He’s going to talk Broncos in the NFL at 4.30. What an opening weekend. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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This episode of Rush to Reason dives headlong into controversy, opinion, and the gray areas of fairness. Host Andy Pate, Luke Cash, and Tanner Cole dissect viral videos from baseball stadiums, debates over who deserves a souvenir when adults and children scramble for a home run ball, and the fallout that follows—public firings, online shaming, and debates over what’s right. In parallel, the show explores harder-hitting current events: a high-profile murder on public transit, the role of race in media coverage, and first-hand stories of random urban violence. From sportsmanship to social accountability, listeners are invited to weigh in
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Dr. Scott: Are Statins the Enemy or a Misunderstood Tool? Aging: What If You’re Wrong?
Dr. Scott: Cell-Level Secret to Energy, Focus, Longevity — A1C, Autoimmunity, Aging.