00:10:39 Discussion on Nick Fuentes and Conservative Politics
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Andy’s doing pretty well. How are you?
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Yeah, moving in, isn’t it?
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But that’s what was predicted, so yeah, all good. I like it. Yeah, we’ll take a little rain. My lawn likes it, as I always say. Absolutely. We’re not out of the woods for hot weather, so we’ll take a little bit of this. Okay. Question of the day. Yesterday, Oscar Wilde has been quoted as saying, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of blank. And that blank is intelligence. So sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence, the concierge of witticisms. Oscar Wilde is said to have remarked, but not everyone shares his view. Communication experts and marriage counselors alike typically advise us to stay away from this particular form of expression, especially if you’re a snowflake.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, my wife says that, but she’s totally full of it. I’m kidding. Okay, sarcasm.
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And it says, the reason is simple. Sarcasm carries the poisonous sting of contempt, which can hurt others and harm relationships. It can. And by its very nature, it invites conflict. I think personally, and I didn’t want to spend a lot of time here, but I think this is part of what’s wrong with our world today. Nobody has thick skin. Everybody takes everything so personally that you can’t even tell a good joke anymore or rib somebody, quote unquote.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I do want to spend about 30 seconds on this, okay? They’re dead wrong. When you’ve got to walk on eggshells around someone, that’s not love. That’s control. And Corey and I, we don’t have that kind of relationship. We don’t either.
SPEAKER 20 :
We read each other all the time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, she ribs me all the time.
SPEAKER 20 :
We have a good time with it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, she picks on me. Yeah, we have fun. She’s even come on, like, co-hosted with me at times when we were out of town. And we’ve had people, you know, contact us and say, geez, they love how we go at each other and have fun.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s like you and Richard on Fridays. Totally. It’s a sign of friendship. That’s what makes it fun.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. If I had to walk in eggshells around Richard, where would be the fun? I don’t have to.
SPEAKER 20 :
Andy, there wouldn’t be. It’d be the NFL, the no fun league.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. And I think, and I’m going to finish with this, I think it’s a sign of true friendship. I think in marriage it’s a sign of real love that you can do that. Because what you’re saying is, I trust you. I trust you. We can relax. We can pick on each other, have fun with each other, and enjoy it. And it’s okay. Now, is it possible, though, to take it too far and do it in ways that you’re using it as a weapon? And what I mean is this. If you really do have a problem with somebody in an area, and then you’re using sarcasm to keep picking at them with that,
SPEAKER 20 :
Go confront them and just be done with it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Man up on it and just say what’s on your mind. I couldn’t agree more. You’re 100% correct, Andy. And I have seen some of those couples whereby one is always being sarcastic and the other is not. And in that case, yeah, that’s probably an issue because if it’s not going both ways, it’s no fun for one person.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it isn’t. And ours is both ways.
SPEAKER 20 :
Ours is too. And that’s what makes it, I mean, that’s what, that’s like, again, you, the example of you and Richard, that’s what makes it so fun is because it, you know, the darts go both ways.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. I mean, it makes it fun. We’ll have friends over and Corey will, you know, I don’t know, ask me to come into the kitchen here, boy, or something like that. It’s cute. It’s funny. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, and again, I’m not of that mindset that all sarcasm is bad. I think like anything else, Andy, it’s that keyword balance. You’ve got to have the right balance with it so that everybody knows where you’re actually coming from. And on the same token, we have created this entire world of snowflakes.
SPEAKER 08 :
We have.
SPEAKER 20 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and what it really is is a world of distrust. I mean, why can’t Corey and I pick on each other that way? Because each of us completely trusts the other’s motives and that the other one loves us. And I think when people are walking on eggshells all the time, it’s because they don’t trust each other.
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I would agree with you. All right, question of the day today. Name the tallest skyscraper in the world. Name the tallest skyscraper in the world. Well, I know where it is. I do too, but I didn’t know the name. Can I just… Charlie got it.
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Can I just give a little clue? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Good clue, by the way.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. This segment really is dedicated to folks on the left or teaching some of you that are on the right how to respond to what some on the left will end up saying in regards to Charlie Kirk’s shooter and all of that. You’ve already seen some news reports out whereby there’s some on the left claiming that, well, he was a right-wing radical involved with this guy by the name of Nick Fuentes and a follower of him and whatever. What do they call the groups? Gropers? Gropers. Never heard of it until recently.
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, obviously Nick Fuentes is not that big of a name, but he’s become a big name because the left wants him to be now.
SPEAKER 20 :
And they were trying to associate him, Andy, with guys like you and me. Let me tell you straight up, all of you that are on the left, I’ve never heard of the guy. I would never follow that guy. He is not somebody that I would consider to even be a conservative. He’s a nut job. That’s my explanation of Nick.
SPEAKER 08 :
He’s a nut job. I don’t know. I do know this. He is very likely a nut job. Why? Because they want to connect him to us. Whenever the left wants to connect someone to me, it’s almost a certainty that person is a nut job. Correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
Good point. Good point. Yeah. And if you read anything about him, until the other day, I guess it was Friday even, Andy was talking about some things and I was doing some looking up while Andy was talking and at that point never even heard the name and had to go dig up who this guy actually is and what does he do and what has he done and so on. He’s a wannabe podcaster that wants to start a movement. He’s very anti-Trump, by the way, very anti-Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA. I mean, he is a absolute, total wackadoodle and nobody that I, as a conservative, Andy, would ever claim.
SPEAKER 08 :
Did you look into it enough to get a feel for why he’s against Trump and Kirk and that MAGA movement? Does he hate MAGA as a movement?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, the biggest reason that I read is because, like you and I, we believe in legal immigration.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
He wants no immigration whatsoever. And while Charlie was a lot like you, and I am believed in immigration done correctly, like you and I, that was one of the reasons why Nick didn’t like Charlie. That was one reason, Andy. There’s others, but that’s one of the biggest reasons.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I know there have been some people on the right who and now look, they have one good point. I disagree with them, but they have one good point. They say it’s because we’ve had so much illegal over the last couple of decades. They want it shut down for an extended period of time. I think they’re going too far. I don’t think you have to go that far. OK, I think I think do it Trump’s way. I think Trump’s, you know. He’s doing it the right way. Let’s get rid of all the bad ones and let’s get rid of as many who are illegal and then they can reapply and we can put America first in deciding who’s going to be here.
SPEAKER 20 :
He also didn’t like the fact that Trump, you know, sort of did an about-face on the Epstein files and all that. He’s one of those that’s hard on that end of things.
SPEAKER 06 :
Trump was right.
SPEAKER 20 :
And Trump was correct, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
He was absolutely right.
SPEAKER 20 :
And I talked about that during that time frame. I would also venture to guess, I don’t know this for sure, so please don’t quote me on this, but from everything I have read, I would also tell you that Nick is probably anti-Israel, anti-Jew.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
That would be the other reason why I would say he’s not in our camp, Andy, at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. And that, of course, will be a big issue we’ll be talking about here shortly involving Turning Point.
SPEAKER 20 :
There you go. And that would be the other reason why I think he would most likely be against Turning Point as well. Now, I will say this. He had a third annual AFPAC, it’s called. It’s some sort of an organization that he put together. It wanted to kind of be like CPAC but called it AFPAC. aft pack and he got which i also will say some nut jobs like marjorie taylor green to show up at that conference and so on but she’s another one where frankly yeah she could go away and it wouldn’t bother me a bit well she needs to she drives me crazy yeah and don’t get me wrong there are a number of issues where i’ve looked at marjorie taylor green and i’ve felt
SPEAKER 08 :
Look, she is really calling it straight and doing a great job. And I applaud her on a number of the things she said. But she’s gone off the deep end. And the simple fact is she’s in a protected district we can do better.
SPEAKER 20 :
I think we can do a lot better than her because, again, like you, I agree with what you’re saying there. There are a lot of times where I’m like, yeah, okay, okay, MTG, I can get behind you with that particular thing that you’re on. I mean, a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again, Andy, so there’s things I can get behind on that. But by and large, is she somebody I support on a routine basis? No, she is not. She’s a wackadoodle. Sorry, but she’s just a wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, she is absolutely fixated on, she’s like Candace Owens, absolutely fixated on hating Israel. And she’ll say she doesn’t. They always say they don’t. No, no, no, no, no, just their government and what they’re doing right now. And Netanyahu, though, he’s the next thing to Satan. But, oh, no, I’m a huge supporter of Israel. But, and then they turn around and they hammer and hammer and hammer. And then they start going off and blaming Israel for, I think, literally everything that’s ever happened in the history of the human race. It is crazy when they start getting going. And she’s, now she’s not as far as Candace Owens, but she is out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
No, you’re right. And again, so I wanted to make sure that I talked about Nick today because I’m sure there’s going to be some folks on the left that want to paint all of us with that big, broad stroke and say that we’re all together. And the reality, Andy, is I didn’t know who the guy was until Friday.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, the bottom line is don’t paint us with the stroke of someone we’ve never heard of.
SPEAKER 20 :
And now that we have, I would never claim.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
Let’s add that into it. I mean, I would never claim the guy. He might claim to be on the right. I would tell you he’s far from it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, he just sounds like a cuckoo.
SPEAKER 20 :
He is a cuckoo.
SPEAKER 08 :
But once again, I’ve never heard him. So, you know, I’ll allow all I’m saying is sounds like.
SPEAKER 20 :
I don’t. After everything I’ve read about him, I don’t need to hear.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you’ve read up on him. So I will buy. Look, I trust John Rush’s assessment.
SPEAKER 20 :
And for all of you listening, all you have to go do is spend about, I’m not exaggerating, go spend five minutes studying who this guy is or just listen to a little bit of one of his podcasts or something. Spend five minutes, and you’ll be in the same camp. It won’t take that long.
SPEAKER 08 :
What is it, like F-U-E-N-T-E-S?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes. You know what? Let me spell it for you all.
SPEAKER 08 :
So it’s spelled like it sounds? Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
F-U-E-N-T-E-S, yes, Nick Fuentes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Nick Fuentes, all right.
SPEAKER 20 :
And again, do I believe everything that’s on Wikipedia? No, because Wikipedia can be put up by all sorts of different people. It’s not always a reliable source. They’re lefties, and anybody can publish to Wikipedia. But in this case, it didn’t take me too long to read through some of what they claimed and then go do a little checking outside of that and realize, yeah, this guy is a… nut job okay he’s in the whole gripe words you know and it’s g-r-o-y-p-e-r-s he is founders of the griper’s hate speech whatever that is okay and again obviously it’s not a big deal john you and i have been around in conservative circles for how long and we’ve never heard of this guy The Grouper Army is a group of alt-right white nationalists and Christian nationalists headed by Nick Fuentes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, okay. Wikipedia, though, they’ll make that accusation pretty loosely, but whatever. We don’t know him, so he’s obviously not big.
SPEAKER 20 :
I think in regards to what Andy said a moment ago, given the fact that we both had to go look him up, because Andy and I keep up, as you guys all know, on a— pretty daily basis things that are going on in all circles not just the left but the right as well we look the left the right the middle i mean andy and i you know we’re reading and looking at all sorts of things oh yeah we don’t read just things from the right we don’t just read things from the left there’s not too many publications down the middle but you know we’ll read some of those occasionally and then you’ve got guys even like jersey joe and john from cheyenne and others by the way that will feed us information on a routine basis and those guys have never heard of this guy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, now wait a minute. You’re sure that Jersey Joe and John from Cheyenne are not Groypers?
SPEAKER 20 :
They are not Groypers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
No, they are not. Because if they were, I’d want a t-shirt. But by the way, what a weird name. Kruipers. It’s like, are you a pedophile? What are you?
SPEAKER 08 :
I got nothing, man. Kruipers.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s just got to be the weirdest name ever in the first place.
SPEAKER 08 :
Why would you call yourself that? Did you randomly assemble some letters to come up with a word no one’s used?
SPEAKER 20 :
I don’t know. It’s just weird, Andy. Kruipers. Kruipers.
SPEAKER 06 :
Whatever.
SPEAKER 20 :
And when I saw the picture of him, by the way, and that’s another one where a lot of times you’ll hear somebody’s name and you’ll be like, oh, I don’t know if I know that person or not. Then you’ll see their picture and say, oh, yeah, okay, and who that is. No, in this case, I’m like, I still don’t know the guy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Didn’t ring a bell.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, even after seeing his picture, I’m like, I still don’t know this guy. I still don’t know who he is.
SPEAKER 08 :
But you know what? He totally controls us. I mean, I’m telling you, he’s the guy behind the scenes, man. We are marching to his drum.
SPEAKER 20 :
And he’s 27 years old, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 20 :
Not that that matters. Pretty young. Yeah, he’s not that old of an individual. And maybe part of the reason why nobody’s heard of him is because he just hasn’t been around. And he’s a streamer, quote-unquote. That’s his occupation. So he’s an influencer, streamer, whatever, YouTuber, all that. But, you know, hey, more power to you. I’m not knocking anybody in that world. I mean, that’s, you know, whatever. It’s a medium. Yeah, whatever floats your boat, that’s fine. But my biggest thing was to make sure everybody understood, especially those of you that are on the left, yeah, he’s not us. We are not claiming him. If somebody out there is like us and they’re following him, stop. The guy’s a total nut job. I don’t know how else to say it. You know, other than that, I don’t know what else to say, Andy. So speaking of John and Cheyenne, he is next. John, you’re up.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, you guys said my name three times. We did. I have to call.
SPEAKER 20 :
And he wanted to know if you’re a griper.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ve heard of this lunatic before, but I never knew that’s what his name. I think something happened during Trump’s first term with him if you went back. But he’s a nut job. There’s a lot of lunatics out there.
SPEAKER 20 :
There are.
SPEAKER 11 :
On both sides of the aisle.
SPEAKER 20 :
You are correct, John. There are. Well, hang on. I need to say that differently. I don’t even consider him on either side of the aisle. He and people like him, they’re in their own category. They’re not right or left. They’re in their own category. Is that the way to say it?
SPEAKER 11 :
Can we call it the lunatic category?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. There you go. Thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I was laughing really hard when you guys were in your first segment because my wife and I do the same thing with the sarcasm. And it popped into my mind because she always does it. Robert Redford died today. I don’t know if you guys saw that. I did see that. Yes, I saw that. And she always uses her favorite line from Butch Cassidy to be sarcastic to me if I do something. She just looks at me and goes, you just keep thinking, John. That’s what you’re good at.
SPEAKER 20 :
There you go. Good line.
SPEAKER 11 :
And then what she does… When she does her airhead thing, I just look at her and say, oh, stewardess. Remember the stewardess in the 70s? They were all supposedly airheads.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
So that’s our back and forth usually. We laugh. But, you know, for anybody who’s out there that’s not married 30-plus years like I am, you’ve got to have that or it’s going to be hard to stay together for the rest of your life.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, and by the way, I think you’re correct in that, in that whole segment, that first segment that Andy and I had where you’ve got people that don’t think that that’s the right way to handle things. And again, everybody can have their own opinion. They’re entitled to that, but I don’t agree with that opinion. I’m with you two.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, well, everybody knows my wife. She’s really soft-spoken at everything, surprising being married to me. But she’ll just wait like a sniper waiting for the shot. And if somebody does something, she will just let go a sarcastic zinger and then just go back to being quiet, and everybody’s like, wow. So you’ve got to have that. You can’t be fun.
SPEAKER 20 :
Life is too short otherwise, John.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, really quick here. It’s always fun when our wives do that, and everybody around us is really surprised, and we’re like, I see this every day.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, not a big issue.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, this is normal. Oh, yeah. It’s great. But it’s like the other thing. Oh, if you insult the fat kid in school, you’re a bully. When we grew up, everybody insulted everybody else. It was part of the growing up thing. And it gave us a thicker skin, which part of today’s thing, and you guys talking about people that are way out there, they don’t know how to take a joke. They don’t know how to take an insult and give one back just as good.
SPEAKER 20 :
No, we’ve lost – and this is, by the way, why Charlie was murdered, was assassinated. Nobody knows how to debate anymore. Nobody knows how to counter another idea. Nobody knows how to get into the quote-unquote ring, if you would, and actually fight for themselves. So we’ll just eliminate the person instead. That’s exactly what happened last week with Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 11 :
Uh-huh. And it seems like it – I’m going to – it goes all the way back to when everybody – was the same, and everybody got a participation trophy growing up, and nobody could fail, and you never got, you know, and that’s not life. So now that they’re adults, there can’t be wrong.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And then when you point out that they’re wrong, they get violent.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, because they don’t have any other ability. If I’m wrong in saying this, please somebody correct me, but are there even still, because I remember growing up, you would have debate teams and things like that. You would actually literally get into a room, and you would have different sides, and you had to debate different beliefs and theories and so on. Do they even do that in school anymore, guys? I did. Yeah, but you’re old like me, Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I’ll ask my daughter if my granddaughter’s schools have that.
SPEAKER 20 :
I’d like to know, because my gut feeling is, unless you’re specifically on some sort of a debate team for competition, none of that exists.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, if I may really quick here, though… My experience in that really tells me a lot about why people turn to violence. Not that I would justify it. But I could tell. I argued the case Korematsu versus the United States. And I was actually assigned the side of the United States.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
who imprisoned all the Japanese during the World War. So I was assigned the side I disagree with. But that’s okay. I just argued that. And I won, by the way. I won easily. And I could tell at the moment where I had the other side cornered and I was taking it out of them. This is about something that happened many decades before us. They literally started getting very angry. and lashing out because they were cornered on an issue that isn’t any of ours. And I’m debating a side I don’t even agree with. I’m doing it for a… For a grade. For a grade.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right. That’s the only reason you’re doing it, is for a grade. At the end of the day, let’s be honest.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I wound up winning. They had all the judges, and I won it. When I could see there’s something about being cornered and about being exposed as wrong on an issue, or at least you’re going to lose the debate, that makes people very angry. I think these are people, this guy, assuming it was him, he’s the accused, killing Charlie Kirk. I guarantee you this guy could never debate Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk would have defeated him easily.
SPEAKER 20 :
As would most. Well, Charlie Kirk was a great debater. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Magnificent.
SPEAKER 20 :
As South Park said, and granted they’ve pulled those episodes down, but even Charlie thought they were funny. He was the master debater. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was so funny. And Charlie loved it.
SPEAKER 20 :
He absolutely loved that episode. He did. It was like a badge of honor.
SPEAKER 11 :
And they took it down, John?
SPEAKER 20 :
Huh?
SPEAKER 11 :
You said they took it down?
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, South Park took it down because of what happened last week.
SPEAKER 11 :
What? Which makes sense.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, I mean, that’s… I’m sure at some point they may… I know, but I… You know what? I would agree with those guys in that particular realm. I know Charlie loved it and had no issues with it, but I think they… In their… You know, on their behalf or, you know… To give them kudos, I guess I should say they did the right thing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, look, the three of us can handle it, of course, but there are people who can’t, and I think it was the right call.
SPEAKER 20 :
It was the right thing to do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you guys have a great rest of your day.
SPEAKER 20 :
You too, John. Appreciate it very much. And, Andy, to your point, you were saying how – and you could see this with a lot of the folks that Charlie would debate because there’s tons of these now clips coming out with what happened last week. You’re seeing more of them now than probably anybody’s ever seen. Even people that didn’t know who Charlie Kirk was have now seen Charlie Kirk and all of what he used to do and how he debated and so on.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 20 :
And you could see the people that he would debate – knowing they’re losing the debate, do nothing but get more angry, more angry, more angry. Their voice would continue to escalate. Charlie would have to try to calm them down.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because they’re losing control in the situation. And it’s a terrifying thing to lose control in a situation like that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, they’d all get up there, be very confident in whatever question they were going to throw at Charlie. Like, oh, I’ve got him. I’ve cornered him now.
SPEAKER 08 :
And they’ve always got things written down, ready to go.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, no, you don’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’ve got their checkpoints that they’re going to do. And they’ve got 10 checkpoints, and he knocks them offline at number two. Right. And then the rest of the time, they just sputter. It’s just a disaster. Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s like going down a one-way street the wrong way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly. Literally. Now you’re dodging cars. That’s all they’re doing. Exactly.
SPEAKER 20 :
Left and right, left and right. They have no idea what’s coming at them.
SPEAKER 08 :
That is a very good analogy, John. He would direct them down the street and suddenly they’re facing traffic coming at them. And you just see the panic in their face.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yep, because they would have no idea. And then they would try to not have it. They were trying to be, you know, robust and I’m strong and I can do this and I can debate Charlie. And they would just keep getting knocked out, knocked out, knocked out, knocked out.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s actually glorious to watch, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
It is. I did see a few that handled it well and actually enjoyed the experience and just went back and forth.
SPEAKER 20 :
And those are the ones where at the end, Charlie was smiling, saying, kudos to you. You did a great job. And that’s where I’m always questioning these folks that are on the left that just think Charlie was a really bad guy. Did you ever watch what he actually did and how he actually handled every situation? How could you sit there and say that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because they hate him. I mean, they’re saying not what he was, but what they wish he was.
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SPEAKER 19 :
The best export we have is Common Sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 20 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. All right, Andy, more proof. The left is the more violent when it comes to the two parties. And yes, they definitely are.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, they are. Let me play a couple clips. Now, this first one is a little over a minute and a half. And it was on Fox News. I forget the show. I’m sorry, but I want to charge right in. Just giving some statistics. Go ahead. Here we go.
SPEAKER 05 :
There is this growing tolerance for political violence across the board, but especially, as you mentioned, on the left. According to those Rutgers University researchers, in a poll of more than 1,000 Americans, 50% who self-identify as progressive said killing Elon Musk can be somewhat justified. 56% said the same for assassinating President Trump. 14% said it could be completely justified also.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, stop for a moment. Did you hear those numbers? That’s half or over half of those who identify as progressive. Wow. It’s a lot.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, keep going. 59% of those same respondents said destroying a Tesla dealership in protest was somewhat acceptable. And where is this hate coming from? Well, social media. The Rutgers report said that the platform Blue Sky, the Democrat alternative to X, quote, plays a significant and predictive role in amplifying radical ideas.
SPEAKER 17 :
The left has… really has much more of a I don’t talk to you. I don’t want to deal with you. You’re deplorable. I can’t break bread with you. That attitude and like all the right wingers, they don’t have that attitude.
SPEAKER 05 :
So in a separate U.gov survey of 3,000 adults after Charlie Kirk’s killing, 72% of Americans said violence is not justified. 11% said it can be somewhat justified. But here’s the big difference. 21% of self-identified liberals said violence is justified to achieve political goals compared to just 4% of conservatives.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, over five times.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s a huge amount.
SPEAKER 08 :
The number.
SPEAKER 20 :
Huge amount.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, that totally tracks with my experience, okay? Not just my interactions with the left online, but being raised by them. How you grew up, yeah. Look, I saw the rage at the dinner table. This desire, this… And I was raised by incredibly wonderful, peaceful Democrats, okay? The best of the best. I guarantee you my sister was not celebrating what happened to Charlie Kirk. I guarantee you she was weeping. But I saw… The rage. We cannot control where America is going to the degree we want to, and the anger over that, and the absolute detesting of the right in every way. And it was also directed toward Christians. It was really something. Okay, now, J.D. Vance. He does some more.
SPEAKER 18 :
One truth. is that 24% of self-described, quote, very liberals believe it is acceptable to be happy about the death of a political opponent, while only 3% of self-described very conservatives agree. 3% is too many, of course. Another truth is that 26% of young liberals believe political violence is sometimes justified. And only 7% of young conservatives say the same. Again, too high a number. In a country of 330 million people, you can of course find one person of a given political persuasion justifying this or that or almost anything. But the data is clear. People on the left are much likelier to defend and celebrate political violence. This is not a both sides problem. If both sides have a problem, one side has a much bigger and malignant problem, and that is the truth we must be told.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. John, these numbers are stark, and they are absolutely consistent. And one last thing here. This is from Town Hall, okay? And Matt Vespa put out just some stats. And here’s the thing. You know I’m into polling. These are coming from all kinds of different polls, and they’re all saying the same thing. What does that tell you? Okay? And this poll, I forget where it was from, but sorry, it’s in the details. But… It was talking about the political spectrum, saying, who says that political violence is justified? And they wanted to ask, who says it is never justified? Amongst very liberal people, only 55% said it is never justified. Amongst very conservative people… 88% said it is never justified. And also, what about those who said, yes, violence can be justified? Amongst very liberal, 25%. Amongst liberal, 17%. Okay, you add those up, John. OK, that’s 42 percent.
SPEAKER 20 :
It’s going to say it’s close to 50.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And amongst conservatives, it was such a negligible number. They don’t even have the number for a very conservative. I think I’m going to say three percent amongst conservative six amongst very conservative three. OK, so 42 to nine. It is not close, okay? And this is why I always tell people, when do you think that you are in danger walking around with a T-shirt that disagrees with the people in that area? When you are walking in downtown Chicago or Baltimore or when you are walking in a conservative neighborhood with an Obama T-shirt? There were people who could walk through during Obama’s time, and I found Obama to be the worst president I’d ever even imagined, much less seen. During that time, I would see people in Obama shirts. They were safe as could be, John. But if you were to wear a Trump shirt in the wrong places… You are literally putting your life at risk. They are more dangerous. They’re going to be more dangerous. And the reason is if they cannot control something, they silence it, cancel it, and if they have to, kill it.
SPEAKER 20 :
The Kevins and Karens come out in full force. Yes, they do. And there’s video out there, folks, of this where you can prove what Andy’s saying on a daily basis.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, this is the same side that took control of our lives during COVID. Look at what they were willing to do. Look at what they were willing to do to the children. Look at what they were willing to do to us. They were perfectly happy with us being thrown out of our jobs. Right now we’re talking about, you know, all these people who are losing their jobs because they’re getting exposed for the things they said online about Tucker. I’m sorry, Charlie.
SPEAKER 20 :
Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 08 :
Charlie Kirk. I’ll be talking about Tucker later. But they deserve to lose their jobs.
SPEAKER 20 :
Right. Absolutely. I talked about that yesterday. Absolutely, they did.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah. And look, I don’t think you should lose your job for your free speech. That’s not the point. But here’s one thing. No, no, no. Go ahead. Here is how the left and the right see free speech differently. The right believes in free speech with consequence. Right. The left believes in free speech with no consequence for them.
SPEAKER 20 :
And no consequences for us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, no. And no free speech for us.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, yeah. Thank you. They would just don’t give us any at all.
SPEAKER 08 :
They want a silence. This is why I had to leave the left. I was being silenced. They want us. They want us silenced and they want them to be able to speak with no consequence. That’s what they want. That’s why you got these teachers going nuts because they have no idea that there is a new rule in place. Now we want to be treated evenly. They’ve never had that. They’ve been in control. Right. And so they’re going out and saying things and getting themselves fired.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, somebody sent me an article to basically along these same lines, Andy, of what I was talking about yesterday. Pam Bondi is coming out right now and clarifying the DOJ’s hate speech stance. In other words, everything that you’re talking about, basically saying that, yeah, you know what? You can post whatever you want. Oh, sure. And you can say whatever you want, but if those posts and those sayings – have any kind of a connotation of, you know, we’re going to kidnap, we’re going to kill, it’s okay to do this, you know, the violence end of things. Exactly. If that’s the case, then yeah, no, that’s not really going to fly.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, you consult businesses. Okay. Let’s say they had an employee. Now you got to keep in mind their customers interact with their employees, right? Let’s say they had an employee who came out online in favor of rape. Okay. Or in favor of child abduction or whatever, right? One of the, one of the worst ones. Could they continue to have that employee? No. No, because your customers might interact. You’re going to lose customers. That affects you and all your employees. Right. You have to fire them. Correct. Okay. Now, what if this employee simply disagrees with you? They voted for Joe Biden. They are of a liberal bent, but they’re not violent, and they don’t advocate any of these terrible things. I wouldn’t fire him.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, so be it. Yeah, so be it. Have your opinion.
SPEAKER 08 :
Live your life. I disagree, but live your life.
SPEAKER 20 :
I said this yesterday. I don’t know if you heard this or not, but I was following the other night. I was watching an attorney, which you could tell from listening is not conservative, maybe not a full diehard, you know, die-in-the-wool liberal. A lefty-leaning? Yeah, he’s definitely lefty-leaning. Okay. And a lot of attorneys are, by the way, that just goes with the territory. So a lot of them are. And in a black guy to boot, not that that matters, but I think it does in this connotation, because he said, listen, I’ve been getting several different phone calls into my office where people are being fired over what they’re saying, you know, in their, quote, unquote, private social media, which he then starts laughing. He’s like, first of all, folks, stop calling it that. Private. Because there’s no such thing as private social media. The minute you put something out there, it’s now for the world to view. It’s social media. It’s not private. So for those of you calling me saying, well, I just put this up on my private social media. Now I got fired. He’s like, yeah, because it’s not private. If they want to fire you over that, they are well within their rights to do so because, number one, it’s not private, and number two, yes, they have a say in what you say and don’t say while working for them. Yes, you have free speech, but then what he went on to say is what you and I are saying. There’s also consequences for that free speech. And this is a liberal attorney saying this, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. You also have the freedom to own a gun. That doesn’t mean there aren’t consequences for misusing it.
SPEAKER 20 :
If you use it the wrong way. A car is the same way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Or a car. Or anything. Right. Look, folks, your freedoms all come with responsibilities. They come with consequences. This is what the left cannot understand. Why? They want to be gods. Okay? They want to have… That’s what you are. If you have total freedom with no consequences, you’re a god.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
OK, they want that. They want to be able to totally control their surroundings. OK, I want this. I want this. I want this. And I don’t want to have to pay for it. And I don’t want the consequences of doing it.
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SPEAKER 19 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 20 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Again, we’re talking about free speech. What happened last week with Charlie Kirk? The response in the last segment talking about people that have been fired for what they have either said publicly or posted publicly. Bottom line is, yeah, there’s consequences for what you say.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And John, there is a huge difference between putting out your opinions on a variety of political issues. You’re pro-choice, you’re pro-life, you’re pro-Second Amendment, you’re against gun rights, you want them banned, whatever. But when you come out and say, I’m glad somebody died. You celebrate the assassination of an innocent person.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s morbid in and of itself anyways, by the way. It’s just sick and twisted.
SPEAKER 08 :
Are there people I’d be glad if they were dead, like mass murderers? You know what I mean? This guy butchered a bunch of people and he got gunned down by the cops.
SPEAKER 20 :
Do I say good? That was a death penalty conversation we had last Tuesday.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Yeah. To which I say yes. I’m very glad. If this kid did it, you know, the suspect in this case, would I hope he gets the death penalty? Yes, absolutely. Okay. But that’s totally different from celebrating the assassination of someone who hasn’t done a thing.
SPEAKER 20 :
But speak. And for me, even when it comes to even the death penalty, I guess for me personally, there’s always still that little bit of, okay, he’s still a human. She’s still a human. Right. Yeah, they did wrong. I get that. Yes, they had egregious crimes, and that’s why they’re getting the death penalty. But do they still have a soul? And does that soul still need saved? Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
They do still have a soul. Yes, it does. And that soul does need saved.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, I look at it like this, John, and this is how I explained it to a bunch of young people one time. Imagine that you were in a room, and it’s an all-white room, okay? And on the walls, all the walls, there are thousands of little white buttons. Okay. Okay? And you can hit any one of those white buttons, and you’ll get this consequence, that benefit, this reward, that consequence, whatever, and just thousands of white buttons.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Up in the far corner of one corner, you have three little red buttons. They’re incredibly hard to reach. You can only reach them if you get a big, tall ladder and balance on it and get up there. And you are told in advance, if you push any of those, you will die. Okay? And one of those we’re going to call, you know, murder in the first degree. Okay? Another one we’re going to call, I don’t know, some form of mass rape and so forth.
SPEAKER 20 :
I get it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. These are incredibly difficult things to do. And you are told in advance. Not to do that. You can hit all these thousands of buttons and not die only if you hit one of those three. So… If you go and hit one of those three buttons, is society killing you or are you?
SPEAKER 20 :
You.
SPEAKER 08 :
You.
SPEAKER 20 :
You are because the rules are already lined out. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s already defined. Right. And so when I look at a capital punishment, I don’t look at it as a state killing somebody, especially in this day and age where we talked about this last week when we really know for sure if somebody did it. We’ve got so much surveillance. We really know. Right. I look at it as them killing themselves.
SPEAKER 20 :
They had free will. They made that decision. Right. That’s on them at that point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 20 :
I agree with you on that one wholeheartedly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s a good way to say it. Great explanation, by the way. It’s already predefined. You know what you’re to do and not do. And by the way, Andy, it’s not that difficult. Well, we pretty much know what to do and not do at the end of the day, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, yeah. And John, like I just said, it’s really difficult to get to those. You can’t reach those. You got to go get a ladder and on top of a ladder or whatever. It’s incredible. These are things that almost nobody ever even conceives of doing. This is why, you know, I also on a lighter matter, I get angry at people who think that we should only deport illegal immigrants who are committing further crimes. And I’m like, now, wait a minute. Because they’re saying, the rest of them, yeah, they came here the wrong way. And I’m like, well, back up for a moment. Do you understand they invaded a nation? Let me ask you, have you ever invaded a nation? Have you ever illegally gone across a border on purpose, avoiding their port of entry, so that you could go illegally in to a nation?
SPEAKER 20 :
We’ve said many times.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s a very extreme thing.
SPEAKER 20 :
In our case, go to Canada or Mexico and see how that works out. Right. Even as an American citizen, see how that works out.
SPEAKER 08 :
A lot of countries, you’re going to wind up in a prison or worse.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, overstay your visa, do anything along those lines, and yeah, it’s going to be a totally different outcome.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s a good chance I’ll never see you again. Correct. Okay. And what I’m saying is this. These are very difficult buttons actually to touch. Now, I don’t want death for you. I think you should just be removed. But, John, people don’t seem to understand that when we try to enforce a law like Trump is doing in Washington, D.C., they’re enforcing it against people who are doing extreme things that almost no person would do.
SPEAKER 20 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s okay to do it. And look at the results. Look at Washington, D.C. now. It’s a paradise. That is what law enforcement does.
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SPEAKER 19 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 20 :
All right, we are back. Had a great caller, by the way, that didn’t want to go on air. New listener, Mike, who’s driving right now. Mike, thanks for listening very much. And he reminded us to say, continue to say that, yeah, free speech, freedom, yes, those have responsibilities attached to them. It’s not necessarily, quote, unquote, free, Andy, because, yeah, there’s strings attached. Yeah. Which is a good thing. That’s how it’s supposed to work. So, Mike, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you for the kudos. And Mike also thought that Andy’s my son.
SPEAKER 06 :
Andy’s actually older. Yeah, I’m older than John. I’m the old man. Not by a lot.
SPEAKER 20 :
By about a year, right? So the pyramid here is Charlie’s the oldest, Andy’s next, and I’m last. But we’re all fairly close.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re the whippersnapper.
SPEAKER 20 :
I wish. I wish, Andy. Shoot, no, those years are long gone.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s what Richard tells me. Long gone. Now, yeah, when Richard calls in and we do car reviews and things like that, that’s my son who calls in and we do a few things along those lines. One of my sons, I should say. I’ve got several, and I’m very proud of each and every one of them, and they all do fantastic. And I couldn’t be happier, and they’re all solid conservatives to boot. So I couldn’t be happier along those lines, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Do we have another break, or do we have a minute and a half?
SPEAKER 20 :
No, we got a minute and a half.
SPEAKER 08 :
Really quick here. I missed Richard’s segment yesterday. I was busy. How did he handle that horrible loss that the Broncos went through? It’s not even like a loss. I mean, they didn’t play great, but they basically won just as well as they lost.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, he and I both agreed. It was a crazy call. You can’t blame anything on either, even though I think we were robbed, you can’t blame anything on one call, one missed field goal. It’s a combination across the board of missteps, and even Sean Payton said the last thing was on him, the last play was on him because he told the guys to try to block it. They should have just left it alone. The guy was going to miss anyways. He had about a zero chance of hitting that field goal anyway, so just let him kick.
SPEAKER 08 :
So in trying to block it, did they, like, push down in the center? A little bit.
SPEAKER 20 :
Because that’s where the leverage call comes. Yes, a teeny bit.
SPEAKER 08 :
Pretty rare, though. As you know. Pretty rare.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’s a ticky-tacky thing because they rarely ever call that because teams do it all of the time. They do. All of the time. So, you know, it’s like holding. This is what we talked about yesterday.
SPEAKER 08 :
Did you get a – going home, did you get a speeding ticket for going 66? I did not. No.
SPEAKER 20 :
But we said it like this, and you know what I mean, because anybody that watches football knows this. You could call holding on every single play if you wanted to, because they do. It’s a matter of how egregious is the hold as to whether you’re going to throw the flag or not. Did it affect the play, for example? Then you throw the flag. Typically, if it’s way on one side and it’s not that bad, the refs just sort of look the other way and let it go. I look at these very much the same way, that push-off call that they got called for at the very end. Did it affect the play at all? No, it did not. out refs be done with it yeah i agree but i mean i i texted richard right after it happened i was like wth good one all right we got two more hours coming your way uh we have a guest joining us here in just a few minutes by the way that’s going to talk about the homeowner end of things there’s a new app that he’s got that will help you when it comes to the contractor end of things which yeah we’ll play that probably again even on fix it radio as we get towards the weekend but listen up we’ll be back in a moment don’t go anywhere rush to reason denver’s afternoon rush klz 560.
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