In this episode of Sekulow, we delve into the powerful reflections on Charlie Kirk’s memorial service, marking a poignant moment in both national reflection and personal faith. The service, attended by over 100,000 people, featured speakers including President Trump, Elon Musk, and various figures from the religious and political arenas. Amidst the tributes, Erica Kirk’s moving speech about forgiveness resonated deeply, showcasing the profound impact of faith during times of tragedy. The episode examines how such events have the potential to ignite a revival of Christian values and unity among believers while challenging political norms.
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In the face of tragedy, Charlie Kirk’s memorial brings unity to America.
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Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110.
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And now your host, Logan Sekula. Welcome to Sekula. We do have a packed show today. My brother Jordan Sekula is in studio. Will Haynes as well. And later on, we’re joined by ACLJ Jerusalem head Jeff Balaban. As we know, there was some big moves out of Canada, Australia, and UK as a recognized Palestinian statehood. Now, what that means, how much of that is a show, we’re going to talk about that because a lot of it is. A lot of it is a if-a show. will they could they and when it really looks at what would have to get to happen to get there at this moment it’s almost impossible now that being said we are going to kick things off talking about the charlie kirk memorial which as a lot of you i’m sure did spent most of your day yesterday watching this six seven hour long memorial service that started um noon central time i believe it was something we started watching all day and i feel like i watched it well into the evening um you know, over, I think there’s about a hundred thousand people showed up for this. I know plenty of friends that went out and friends, some that were connected and then some that were just fans that were just wanting to show their support and be there in the room, uh, to be there for, a turning point for the Kirk family, for all of this, and to see this pretty incredible lineup of speakers that went all the way from President Trump to Tucker Carlson to a lot of heavy hitters. And then some interesting picks, including some pastoral picks. I have to say, as someone who’s involved in the Christian music industry quite a bit, I got to give it up. And I think if you’re a Christian music fan, you got to give it up to people like Brandon Lake, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham. That’s what I texted you about. Yeah, because… Brandon Lake, in some ways, personally, if he’s a selfish man, which I’m not saying he is, I’m saying he’s not at this point, there’s no upside, really, to him doing this. The man is selling out arenas, almost stadiums nationwide right now, bigger than he’s ever been, nominated for awards well beyond even Christian awards, and decides to show up, lead worship in a traditional way, and to stick around for what looked like to be the entire event. Huge respect. For those Christian music artists, because look, even within the industry itself, I will tell you, it is not easy to do anything that could be quote unquote labeled political. And of course, with Charlie Kirk, it’s in the cast of characters that were going to be at this memorial. Of course, it was going to feel that way. And then one of the big moments we got to talk about, I think this is one that we talked about last week on the show. which was, could this bring Elon Musk and President Trump back together? Because it’s desperately needed. And look, it may have been short and sweet, but it sounds like we’re headed in the right direction. We at least got the photo op. And the White House released that photo. So, like, officially released that photo. They put Elon X… Trump or something like that.
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And this is obviously we’re showing on the screen the post from Elon that says for Charlie with the two of them together.
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And we talked about Logan for long term for conservative politics and Republican Party really bringing in young people. Elon Musk is the richest person in the world. We are outdone on the right by billionaires on the left. And Elon Musk was kind of our… It was finally. And then you had the Peter Thiel’s and others come along with him. And then they had the kind of… They were almost too close, I think, is what happened. And I will say, I’m not going to divulge any details of things that people have been told me, but I know people… and I’m sure Charlie Kirk, I think they even were talking about Charlie Kirk, I’m not 100%, but have been working on rebuilding this relationship in a way that is workable, which means probably not living together and not being the number, you know, the deputy chief of staff at the White House every day, but still having the backing of Elon Musk and… the wealthiest person in the world, especially when you go into midterm elections. And you need the money to run those get-out-the-vote efforts, which, turning point, that’s what they do.
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Money and just carries a lot of clout and a lot of weight to his name, regardless of what people want to think about Elon Musk, my son, who’s 13. Like, breathe the sigh of relief when he saw the picture of President Trump and Elon back together. Because he loved that Elon was involved. He loved that Elon was involved more than anyone else. Because he looks at him as a genius.
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Yeah, my son is almost six and he still is like, can we get the Cybertruck?
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Yeah, he wants the Cybertruck and the rockets.
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For a while I was nervous about having the Cybertruck in the front yard because of the, you know, the…
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Yeah, people were going after him. All right, hey, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. We’d love to hear from you. We’re also going to give you an update on ACLJ case coming up. But again, 1-800-684-3110. Call us right now. Welcome back to Secula. We will be taking your calls. I’m sure a lot of you watched the Charlie Clark Memorial that ran most of the day yesterday from Glendale, Arizona. Will and I have been to that stadium before. I don’t think the visuals really could do it justice of how big this stadium really was.
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As well as they had overflow in the basketball arena where the Phoenix Suns play, which is across the street.
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25,000 people.
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It’s like an outdoor mall, eating, shopping area where you can go and you can go to a Cardinals game if you’re going to that stadium and have stuff.
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I mean, they think there were around 200,000 people. From people I heard, like from Uber drivers and my friends who were there, who were going in, they said it was three times as much traffic as the last three Super Bowls they’ve worked in Glendale.
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Yeah, and they’ve said it was almost 100,000, but I think that’s what they could contain. I think 100,000 is what they could hold.
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At the stadium. The stadium and the arena combined were around 100,000. And then there were like another 100,000 people around.
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And of course the highlight, I’d say, and that’s a weird way of putting it, but the most amazing moment was obviously Erica Kirk coming out right before President Trump. and making just a remarkable speech. And again, you heard the name of Jesus more, I believe in that service, that six hours, than maybe you’ve heard your church in the last few years. I mean, it was pretty overwhelming. That was the mass majority of the speakers, even the ones you wouldn’t think of. were making a lot of references to Charlie’s faith. And look, I have someone who, again, I knew of Charlie. We share a lot of the same networks and all that. I was not even aware of how much that played into his content over the last handful of years. Because when I saw him, he was more… At the CPAC world, at the turning point world.
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A teenager, you know. And starting out. And I think he probably… they would admit that too is he was started out more in the political world and then as he got older he got more comfortable talking about yes i mean i will say that i’ve learned that more about him since his passing and let me tell you when you have children that does change um you know talking about faith becomes a lot easier a lot easier too especially when you do the jobs that we do
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Yeah, and look, they just showed Brandon Lake again. Like I said, he was an actual Christian music fan, Charlie Kirk. He talked about Forrest Frank. He talked about these people very publicly. So I think a lot of the industry, though they typically would stay apolitical, and I still believe that this is staying apolitical, by the way, but I know for a lot of people it’s not.
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Yes, I don’t think that happens.
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No. They just did it because they knew he was kind of one of us with that. Now, I do want to play some clips, Will. I want to set this up. This was Erica Kirk. Obviously comes out a recent widow. We’ve now heard, by the way, in very graphic details from a few of these speakers.
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about that moment that day I mean more so than I thought we were going to at a memorial service now somewhat that brings it to reality and that’s even true for her that’s right and this I think was the powerful moment I think this is what when she gave her first response that live speech that she gave in the wake right in the wake of of her husband’s assassination, there was a lot of questions like, what does someone who’s just experienced this even say? Well, this is a moment I think a lot of people were curious. How are you in the grieving process? Where are you? You’re being put in the public eye so heavily right now. And how are you balancing your emotions and all the things that you’re dealing with? And I feel like this moment was just so powerful. because it’s a testament to her faith, to the faith of her husband, and in really using her platform to showcase to the world what a faith really means if you have faith in Christ. And so I want to play this. This is Bite Two from Erica Kirk at the memorial service yesterday.
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My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life. That young man on the cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man said, I forgive him.
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the moment that I think everyone will remember from this service whether that was all the other speakers President Trump J.D. Vance Tulsi Gabbard all of these top names but that moment alone really will be the moment that we all remember that will be the moment I believe the clip that will be played probably for the rest of our lives when you think about moments in history when you when your kids learn about this political assassination in school that will be one of the clips that they play
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Yes, and I want to say this. From the Christian ethos, being able to forgive your persecutors, that is the ultimate commandment, one of the ultimate commandments by Christ, is that you are going to be persecuted and you pray for those who persecute you, that they come to him. We know that Saul, Paul, how many times did we hear that story of Saul becoming Paul who wrote so much in the New Testament that we’re allowed. He was a persecutor. of christians and the second part of that i think that has to be clear to people when when a christian and this is just to those of you maybe who are not as familiar or just are still not at the point yet to where you could even utter those words yourself or would have trouble in your if you were imagining in your own situation that doesn’t mean we’re absolving them of justice in this world And neither does Christ, neither does the New Testament. You still face worldly justice for your evil acts. And this one was evil. This was murder. This was assassination. But that still means, and we have to as Christians understand that so long as he is alive, he has an opportunity to ask for that forgiveness. Now, only… but if that were to occur even he said it occurred only only Jesus and he will know if that is real but I think for her to do that one was a way to move forward and to say you know he’s going to be tried they’re going to look at all those groups let the let the law enforcement do their job if he faces you know the death penalty he faces the death penalty that’s not on her hands right
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President Trump almost got there. He almost said the death penalty kind of line in the speech. He said, you know, to the fullest extent, whatever it may be. Yeah. But I mean, without saying it, without saying those words, I do think you come off of that. Maybe he was, it was like, here’s what I say about President Trump.
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You never know what’s going to happen in a trial about someone’s insanity and things like that. And,
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With President Trump, you’ve got to say this. I’m not sure there’s a lot of debate whether his speech was fully appropriate, inappropriate, because it did go occasionally into the promoting of a press conference tomorrow. Those kind of off-the-cuff kind of moments. For the majority of it, though, if we’re going to judge it on a grand scale of President Trump’s speeches, it was one of the better on-track ones. Yes. Where it didn’t go off the rails completely into a political rally. No.
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And you know if you’re inviting President Trump to speak, even at something like this, you’re going to get both seriousness and some humor. And Don Jr. You’re getting him. Yeah, and Don Jr. I think did a great job of mixing humor and really some serious moments. My favorite comment outside of Erica’s, which I think almost everything she said you could go through, was what J.D. Vance said. I mean, because I think so many of us in politics, even in the faith world in politics, because we’re so used to the language of it. When J.D. Vance said this, it was so powerful. I mean, it’s just something that still rings in my ear today. It was what I woke up thinking about him saying. And I was like, well, you know, I wonder how many more of us should be doing this, too. Even me, like maybe I need to be doing this more. And I feel like I do a lot when I’m talking to my kids, but am I doing a lot when I, you know, even in this world that we’re in where we kind of take it for granted sometimes that everyone we work around kind of shares our core beliefs and faith. Take a listen to this, the Vice President of the United States, J.D. Vance on his personal faith in the last two weeks.
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talking about my faith in public as much as I loved the Lord and as much as it was an important part of my life. I have talked more about Jesus Christ in the past two weeks than I have my entire time in public life. And that is an undeniable legacy of the great Charlie Kirk. You know, he loved God. And because he loved God, he wanted to understand God’s creation and the men and women made in his image.
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So, I mean, right there, the idea… That in the last two weeks, and what I think even J.D. Vance was talking about, he’s talked about it more, but so have so many other people, and that is not what the left was expecting, I think, from this whole event. I think they thought it was going to be a giant MAGA rally, and instead it was a mix of freedom of speech and faith. Freedom of speech, which means… Like Erica Kirk said, he was trying to help people that he thought were lost. And that’s why he wanted them to be able to speak at those events. But the fact is that people are admitting, they’re saying… My faith has become more real to me and more important to me in the last two weeks than it has my entire life.
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Absolutely. But sadly, that is not how it’s being spun 100%. Of course not. Because a lot of us woke up this morning expecting that. And of course, got a very different point of view coming from the more left side of the media world. We’re going to talk about that when it comes back. I do want to hear from you. Phone lines are completely open right now. I’ll tell you that right now. We got six lines open. Why don’t you call? Give us a call. Let me know your thoughts. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. We saw all of this. And, of course, the ACLJ is still out there fighting each and every day in the courtroom and here in the media. We want you to be involved in that as well. We’re going to break down more how the ACLJ is getting involved in the next segment and, again, how you can support the work. That’s at ACLJ.org. We’ll find all of our incredible content available without a paywall for free right now. We’ll be right back with more on Cyclo. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are lightened up. Give us some time. We’ll try to get all of you guys screened. We’ll take some of those calls coming up in this segment and again later in the broadcast. And later on in the second half hour, we’re also going to be joined by Jeff Balaban of ACLJ Jerusalem. As we know, there was some breaking news coming out of the UK, out of Canada. This is leading into the UN General Assembly. Assembly, which of course is being held on a Jewish High Holy Day, so they cannot necessarily attend. Yeah. This is a crazy moment here. Of course, they are saying, hey, we are, what’s the official words for Palestinian statehood? Recognizing. Recognizing Palestinian statehood. But of course, it comes with a lot of caveats, including, well, it can’t be Hamas control. There has to be this. So you’re talking about kind of on paper only. We’re going to discuss that with Jeff coming up. And we are going to take your calls again at 1-800-684-3110. Before we move on to the ACLJ topic, I do want to quickly take a call. Elizabeth’s in New Hampshire. She’s an ACLJ champion. That’s someone that gives on a monthly basis. I try to get you guys up as quick as possible. This is about the Charlie Kirk Memorial. So let’s go ahead.
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Hi.
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Hey, Elizabeth, go ahead.
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I just wanted to say that in our church, we’ve been praying for an open door Bible church. We’ve been praying for a massive radical revival. And yesterday, all my brothers in Christ, it was such a miracle to see thousands of people coming to know the Lord and And to have each one of us say in our relationship, how can we make a difference? And I got to tell you, after I listened to Erica yesterday and then today, I’m in the process of going through a divorce with a one-year restraining order. And you know what I’m convicted of? I’m convicted that I wasn’t the wife that the Lord designed me to be. So I just wanted to say thank you.
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Elizabeth, that’s for you and God and you’ve decided that kind of thing. We’re not going to comment on that. Well, I will say first, thank you for being a champion. I appreciate that. That’s something that gives monthly. Appreciate it. Number two, I think a lot of people felt convicted watching that whole thing yesterday. And look, I believe the revival is here. You’re right. It’s not on the way. It’s here. And if you don’t speak up now, when are you going to? When are you going to feel that push and that passion to go? Am I doing enough? What could I be doing more? What is, look, also the question of what is God calling you to do? Not everyone is called to be Charlie Kirk. No. I’d say 99.9% of people are not. So what can you do in your local community? What can you do by the way you spend your money, by the way you donate, with what you do with your family life? It doesn’t always have to be this. It can be small, it can be big, and small can become huge. Yeah, one of my friends said, you don’t have to start Turning Point. You don’t have to go start the ACLJ. just you can go be a part of it. You can donate. You can just, or you volunteer your time. There are things that you can do. God doesn’t always call you to start a business.
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Can I say this? One of our good friends, he’s been on the broadcast. He’s a broadcaster too. And he was there with Senator Cruz, who he works with, Ben Ferguson. And he was on Fox News. And I was texting with him. And we’re very close from each other’s weddings. We’ve known each other forever. And The words that he used in his text and the way that we would talk to each other, it would not be normal for Jordan and Ben Ferguson to be texting about revival in America. And I will say, I text him and I asked him about how it felt. I had another good friend there who used to work with us at ACLJ, who’s still a good friend. And both, without me prompting, by the way, no prompting of the word, Both wrote back, revival’s here. These are not guys who would say that. These are not charismatic to the point where they would just throw out that word regularly. They felt something there that they’ve been feeling since, I think, obviously going over the shock. Because as you said, Logan, it wasn’t about turning everybody conservative and going to vote Republican. Did you realize that yesterday? Even some of the most conservative speakers there, you know, Tulsi Gabbard used to be with us. I texted her after and I thought her remarks just on free speech and his faith. It wasn’t you need to go vote this way. It was he brought in people like Robert Kennedy. Look at the crowd. Would you think someone from the Larry David show? would be on the front row applauding the messages from the Hollywood world. And she’s taken a lot of criticism, I know, from that. But still, that was Charlie Kirk. He was bringing people together in a broader coalition than some people on the conservative world may have been comfortable with. Yeah, for sure. And probably RFK was one of the most controversial who’s come in. And again… His speech, too, and you think about how much he’s been through. How many assassinations of his uncle, his father, while holding his hand, and then having to speak there yesterday. Anybody who tries to criticize anything about his response, I can’t even imagine continuing to go through that and still being in public life.
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Well, and I think when you get back to what you were alluding to at the end of last segment, Logan, and people that see this, one, don’t know how to respond if you are – of a different political persuasion if you don’t have faith if you don’t understand faith because the left’s hot take right now on social media and many places are comparing that to a nazi rally and saying that uh stephen miller is joseph gerbils that this is a grand propaganda machine trying to take control of the country and hijacking a martyr exactly no violence no violence
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forgiving an assassin, 100,000 plus people gather, who could be very angry, and righteous anger, fine, but no violence. No issues, lots of security, no problems.
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And to that point, Jordan, as well, is that if you actually hear the messages of people from across the board, whether it be broadcasters, friends, pastors, and Erica Kirk herself, the message of forgiveness, the message of being strong in your faith, and even Marco Rubio talking about salvation in a way that, one, you never hear from a public official, but wasn’t a trite political message. It was speaking from the heart. That is why people that do understand faith or feel convicted by that, I think there will be a big, powerful change. But I think the left… And people that are against that. They’ve just made up their mind.
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If Donald Trump is at an event, it’s a bad event. And that means it’s bad people that went to the event. And you know what? I don’t know. Charlie Kirk would say we could try to convince more of those people. There are some talking heads I think you could have conversations about that were fair. But for the most part, the left, so long as it’s Donald Trump there…
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that’s just it I mean right does it take any more than they’re just going to easily jump to it I also think they didn’t watch it even if they did they probably saw selective clips and I’m sure there are moments that you know Donald Trump’s like she’s forgiven I’m not forgiven you know those kind of things which look out of context out of context not the best moments but you know what they are being honest they’re being true to themselves in some ways I don’t agree with them can I say what Donald Trump was really saying there very quickly
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She was saying Charlie Kirk didn’t demonize or hate his political opponents. He was talking to 20-year-olds that he was trying to save, as she said. Donald Trump is talking about adult members of Congress that are trying to impeach him or put him in prison.
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That is, I think they are talking about two different people. We’ve got a full bank of calls right now. Actually, one just opened up at 1-800-684-3110. We also have a second half hour coming up. This half hour we spent on Charlie Kirkman Memorial. I know a lot of the calls are about that, so we’re going to try to get some of those in the next segment. And then we’ll be joined by Jeff Balabana, ACLJ Jerusalem, because there is important news coming out of that world. And again, we’ll take more calls and comments and an update on some of the ACLJ work coming up. But I know this is dominating right now. People want to talk about it. So I’m going to let you all talk as much as we can. When we get back, we’re going to go through more of that. If you don’t get us on your local station, find us on ACLJ.org or later on, however you get your podcasts.
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keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome to Sekulow. We do have a second half hour coming up. Thanks for joining us. Phone lines are completely jammed right now. I’m going to jump to a call quickly. A lot of your calls are calling about the Charlie Kirk Memorial. I’m going to do that so we can hopefully open up some lines. But also because the next segment, we’re going to be joined by Jeff Balaban, ACLJ Jerusalem. And I want to give you an update of what’s going on in Israel, what’s going on with the… I’m sure some of you saw the statements coming out where the statehood of Palestine was kind of approved by… the UK, by Canada, and others, but when you really look at it, is it just something that’s on paper? I would say yes. Let’s go ahead and take some phone calls. Let’s go to Martin first, who’s the ACLJ champion. Martin of North Carolina, go ahead.
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Thank you.
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Can you hear me? We can. Go ahead, Martin.
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Okay. With no politics in there, I like what all three of y’all had said. I’m going to leave all politics out of this. Charlie Kirk was doing exactly what every individual in the body of Christ is supposed to do and witness to people. No, Jordan, we are not called to do all the same things that are higher levels and things, but we’re all supposed to witness to people. And as going through that, we’re going to face persecutions. You look at the disciples, you look at Stephen, the first deacon, he was stoned for his beliefs and did say, Father, forgive them. All these things. So when Erica Kirk said what she said, she was absolutely right. This is going to, I pray, unleash a revival like we haven’t seen since the 60s with the Jesus Revolution and everything like that so that we can move ahead because we are with what you were just talking about. in a spiritual warfare. And it’s going to get worse. The Bible tells us that. We just have to stand on the Word of God and be bold, as all three of you said, in everybody. I did not see the memorial.
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And that’s why we’re doing this show today. You know, everybody does not have seven hours. And sometimes when you see clips, they’re out of context, depending on where you get your news or if you had time to watch this show or that show. Or, you know, you might have been busy yesterday and went right to work today. And so we’re trying to put it to you in the context of honesty and I think how you would have viewed it. If you were sitting there next to us. And I think you’re right, exactly what you said. We know at the ACLJ, since the founding of our organization, spiritual warfare is part of all of these battles. I mean, when you’re up against those who want to kill children in the womb. And then they’re starting to have discussions about, well, Charlie Kirk had one of these discussions once because the reasoning was getting to the point of, well, what if a parent said their kid wanted to be a pirate and they wanted their leg off? And then, you know, these kids have been in these philosophy classes and they’d start saying, well, you know, they need to debate it seriously. But if the child really, really felt like that was their, who they were, you know, that they should have a peg leg and maybe even take an eye out to have a pet. I mean… And those were the kind of kids he was trying to save, to say, this is what you have been taught, or at least where your mind has been gone. Let’s get involved now before you’re lost. No one’s ever fully lost, but the further you let people go down trails, the harder it is. And you know what you also have to be is a good example. I think that was another part of this message is that we all have to be good examples because you never know who’s watching and when they’re watching. And that doesn’t mean any of us are far from perfect, but you try.
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Well, and I think, Jordan, as you mentioned there, is that when those that don’t understand even the mission of what Charlie Kirk was trying to do, the only thing they can do is react to it in a visceral way and try to label it as something evil because there is that spiritual struggle. When you can’t accept that, when your heart is hardened against the truth, then you try to find any way you can to push back at it. And so that’s why we’re seeing the heightened rhetoric still. The left has not learned their lesson. They’re calling that a Nazi rally. It’s shocking, but that is the state of the world we’re in. And that is why truth must be spoken.
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Okay, coming up, headed over to ACLJ Jerusalem with Jeff Balaban. If you’re on hold right now, we have a full bank of calls right now. Stay on hold. I will do my absolute best to get to you. It’ll be in the last segment of the show, which is just a few minutes away. So next up, we’re going to ACLJ Jerusalem, and then we’re going to take all the calls we can. Stay on hold. We’ll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. We’re actually going to go to ACLJ Jerusalem in the next segment. Jeff got caught up, so we’re going to take a lot of calls right now. So I’m glad you stayed on hold. We’re going to get to it. Let’s go to Kevin first, who’s an ACLJ champion. Kevin, go ahead in California.
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Good morning. Who among us on the reasonable right, the quiet majority of people who elected Donald Trump to do the good business of America believe, or is surprised by the fact that we’re now being hailed as Nazis, as some sort of Nazi rally. The point is this, we should not be surprised by unreasonable people’s reactions to reasonable solution. And as a result, unless and until we come in hard against these people who are violent, tearing down this country, people who need to have consequences for their actions, nothing’s going to change.
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Well, I think here’s the thing, Kevin, and why we have the best chance of changing this in our history when you’re talking about left-wing political violence. There’s never been an administration more dedicated to using federal resources to also pressure states, because sometimes it’s the state’s role, to… Make sure, one, the federal looks at whether there’s networks, interstate, that brings in federal laws. And then, of course, you need good DAs. We know that there have been a lot of bad DAs put in place by left-wing organizations who don’t want to prosecute these kind of Antifa-ish crimes. They just say, oh, they’re not really organized, even though they are. Oh, the pallets of bricks, no one actually organized that. Someone just randomly, there were just bricks there. never before i mean uh have we had an administration more dedicated to routing out this violence here’s what they need from you they are mocked when they talk about it cash patel is mocked when he talks about stephen miller is called a nazi and he’s jewish And they call him Goebbels. Goebbels likely, because of our family and I’m sure with Stephen’s family, killed many of his relatives. And so he has a lot less family because of people like Goebbels. And so to be called that, disgusting, but that’s the left. That speech, that’s different. They are dedicated. President Trump said it, Pam Bondi has said it, Kristi Noem has said it, Tulsi Gabbard has said it, to going after the actual violent actors. We don’t go after speech. We go after violent actors and those who want to cause actual chaos that could include either property damage or the loss of life. I mean, we had a thing in New Hampshire where, you know, guys running it and we’re not even barely, that’s barely in the news now. And he screamed free Palestine and killed someone. At a New Hampshire country club.
SPEAKER 05 :
Last night? I haven’t made any news. I believe it was Saturday night. Was it Saturday night? Saturday night at a wedding. I texted Will. Will’s like, hey, all the headlines I see don’t say that. And I’m like, look. And if you really look, someone walked into a wedding at a country club, essentially just said, made a statement of free Palestine and murdered someone in the middle of a wedding, during the first dance of a wedding. That doesn’t even get a pop on the news.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
I only saw it because I’m pretty connected to that world.
SPEAKER 06 :
What I want to say though is that of all administrations we’ve ever had, There’s never been one more committed to going after these networks. You need to support them. Now, here’s a couple things you got to remember. They’ve only got a handful of years. And number two, you can extend those years. So we can talk about that later on. But remember, to really go after these networks is not going to be a day. And there’s going to be a lot of criticism because they’re going to say, oh, you’re going after political enemies. These are not political enemies. These are not people who, it’s not speech. These are people who are carrying out, organizing, or funding actual violence.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right, let’s move on. We got a lot of calls to get to. Let’s see if we can get to more. Let’s go, let’s just go in order. Let’s go to Alana who’s calling in on line five in Washington. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi, I just wanted to make a comment about, you know, God doing all things for our good, and I know that we’re going to miss Charlie Kirk, but he was here for a time and place, and I don’t think that we would be seeing the kind of response that we would be seeing right now with everybody around the world coming together with vigils. People that were lukewarm Christians are on the fence, you know, turning to God, and I’ve been seeing things like You know, people questioning their life choices, their lifestyle. And I don’t think that we would be seeing the separation of the chaff and the wheat if it weren’t for the death of Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Alana, I think one thing that we’re also seeing is people, when they see that, that celebration of life, when you have a true faith and you know what comes after, Christian funerals can be a celebration of life and of hope for those. Usually they’ll see it in an assassination. Right. Exactly. But I think that is what is true. That is what is different and why a lot of people may not know how to process what they saw because his faith was so strong. His wife knows where her husband is that yes, there is a heaviness, a sadness, but people couldn’t process why there was joy and hope. after such a horrific thing and the only answer to that is rooted in the gospel and i think that’s why that was on full display and people got to see that maybe for the first time we have our human sadness i mean i i still i’ll always be sad for his children
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ll always be sad for her and for the team that he built and for the kids. It was a 31 year old. And that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s my human, my, my spiritual and eternal. So not just human, but my eternal faith, uh, knows that this is not the end of his, was not the end of his life. And it’s not the end of Charlie Kirk. And, and, and so for, like you said, well, for people who don’t haven’t gotten even maybe that deep into their faith where they kind of will, uh, come to terms with those two things can be difficult. I mean, that’s why they said, I think, was it Eric who said, you’ve got to, yeah, nurture them because these are some of these concepts. It can be easy to say, I accept Christ. I now am forgiven for my sins. I’m going to be better and I get to go to heaven and live forever. That’s easier than accepting when someone that you love passes away and they’re gone from your human life and then understand. You know what I mean? That’s what she said is you got to help people.
SPEAKER 05 :
I want to continue on. There’s a call coming in. Susan in Maryland who’s watching on YouTube. Susan, go ahead. This will lead a little bit into our conversation in the next segment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, thank you. The world seems to acknowledge Charlie Kirk was a civilian assassination for religious and political point of view. However, 907 civilian Israelis were assassinated on October 7th from religious and political points of view. And the U.N. seems to want to validate their 907 assassinations. It seems a bit like the Book of Revelations when it talks about the two witnesses together. that we’re totally innocent witnesses that are put to death and the world rejoices. And it seems like this is the stage setting for that type of…
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Susan, in the next segment, I want you to stay tuned. We’re going to be joined by Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem, and we’re going to break all of that down. I wanted to take your call to honestly hold on answering it, because I think looking at what you’re saying, which is we are forgetting what happened October 7th, just a couple years ago, and how quickly the world turned. And I said the same would happen with Charlie Kirk, and by the way, it did, which was it went from about 24, 48 hours of everyone saying, unifying, we are all together, to then- You see what happened with Jimmy Kimmel Live. You see what happens to a lot of these people where they get thrown off the air because of the things they’re saying. You see how many people on MSNBC and on ABC News have been fired, let go, or suspended. This is what happens when the rhetoric gets out of hand and all of a sudden it’s justifiable. We’re going to talk about that because it happened to the Jewish people, it happened to the Israeli people, and it’s still happening to them. While there was swift and definitive action taken for a lot. And now look, I believe Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the air into the week. I really do. I think that there’s a very, very good chance. As long as he, if he wants to, he may not want to, and that’s going to be a different situation. But if he’s willing to do it, I think they’re willing to, they’re going to bow down to the pressure that’s happening right now. Um, so right now I encourage you, uh, to listen to what Jeff Balaban from ACLJ Jerusalem has to say, because we have a lot of updates in Israel. Israel gets forgotten in a lot of this. I want to make sure that it isn’t. I want to make sure that we are still talking about it, that it’s still on the tip of the tongue of everybody within our movement, because it’s incredibly important, especially this week. It’s a Jewish New Year starting tonight. So you got to think about that. That is a moment.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the UN General Assembly, which is the, I think, number one week of attacking Israel in the world.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. So look, phone lines are open, but we’re going to only take a few calls coming up in the next segment. We will try to get to you, the three of you that are on hold right now. I can make no guarantees, but I will do my best. But Chuck, Melissa, and Michael, if you want to stay on hold, I will do whatever I can to get to you coming up during the next segment. If Jeff goes a little short, we’ll do it. If not, unfortunately, we may not be able to get to you, but you can stay on hold if you’d like. I want you to support the work of the ACLJ. It’s an easy time to be thinking about anything else. But right now, our work is still going strong. We weren’t even able to get into the real work of the ACLJ today because we know how much so much of you want to talk about this. All over the country, all over the world. And that’s where we join next by Jeff Balaban, who runs ACLJ Jerusalem. Why it’s important now. Why? When conspiracies start flying around, when Israel always becomes the target. it’s important for us to be there, standing strong. And I hope you’re there with us. Let me know in the chat. Are you still standing strong with Israel? How do you feel? Love to hear from you. Jeff Balaban, as I said, is going to be joining us. You can go to ACLJ.org and support the work of the ACLJ. But also, if you’re brand new, hit that subscribe button if you’re watching on YouTube. That does a lot as well. We’ll be right back with more on Secula. Welcome back to Sekulow. We are now joined by head of ACLJ Jerusalem, Jeff Balaban. Jeff, there was obviously a lot going on this weekend, but a lot happened in terms of Israel. And of course, we are heading into Rosh Hashanah tonight, so an early Shana Tova to you. But this is an interesting time when you have Canada, the UK, and who else was it? You have Australia and France and Portugal. making the statement, declaring, you know, their support of a Palestinian state. Now, really, when you look at what Stammer and some of these others did in the UK, I started to read on what the terms would be to get to that point. And we are nowhere near it. And it feels like this is a, you know, it has no teeth, if you will. It’s a big statement. It’s a statement we all need to be very, very concerned about. But it also is a statement that is completely unrealistic in 2025 where we are right now.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, and honestly, there is no possibility of this being a state. It lacks everything you need to make a state, including, by the way, lacking in actual people, as there never has been such a thing as a Palestinian people or nation. It’s an ideology. It’s essentially an anti-Semitic death cult ideology created to destroy israel sometime in the middle of the 20th century so there’s no indigenous people besides the jews living in that land right now and what they’re doing is they’re just adding fuel to the narrative fire that they’ve been really drum beating since after israel responded to the hostage taking and the brutal attacks of october 7th all this is pure reward to the pure evil of those who want to eradicate israel and the jews And is it because of domestic politics? It looks that way. I mean, those countries have been overwhelmed by immigrants who want to see Israel destroyed, and they’re very afraid of their own immigrants. But in terms of the process, you know, they use words like peace process and express concern for Israel. Absolute nonsense. Israel across the board. except for the most, most extreme, extreme radical, Israel across the board has come out publicly now for quite a while that there will be no Palestinian state. They tried. They tried to give up their own territory, Jewish territory, and all they got was rockets and missiles and bombs and murders, and then October 7th. It will not happen again.
SPEAKER 08 :
Jeff, when you look at the statements from the Prime Minister of England, and also we know that this is just going to make the UN General Assembly even worse than it normally is for Israel. Now that we have this, I feel like the rhetoric is going to be much more heightened. But here are some concerns I have, because the Prime Minister of England wrote in a letter to Mahmoud Abbas saying, that the United Kingdom looks forward to a new era of friendship and cooperation between the British and Palestinian peoples. Our foreign secretary will write to your foreign minister to take forward the process of establishing full diplomatic relations. So one, already elevating and giving the Palestinian Authority, which is a terrorist organization in and of itself, more credibility on the world stage. But then, In his statement, he also said, this solution is not a reward for Hamas because it means Hamas can have no future, no role in government and no role in security. Meanwhile, we have a spokesperson for Hamas, senior Hamas officials say, Any step to strengthen the legitimate Palestinian rights foremost and among them the fully sovereign Palestinian state with its capital in Jerusalem and the right to self-determination is a welcome step. So Hamas is praising the UK’s prime minister, even though he’s trying to say it’s no reward for Hamas. We know what this is.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I don’t believe for a second that Starmer is so completely clueless, so completely witless to believe that anyone other than Hamas or those to the right of Hamas would be in power. In Palestinian society, it’s a race to see who can kill more Jews. That’s the entire existence. There’s never been any evidence of a desire for peace, for coexistence. They were created as a way to commit genocide, and that’s the entirety of the existence. This nonsense of talking about a state when there’s no equipment for a state and there’s no desire for a state, there’s only desire for complete domination. Listen, I’ll say, we’re talking about Rosh Hashanah this month. It’s starting tonight. It’s already started in Israel. It is the day that Jews believe that all the world is judged, not just us as individuals and not just the Jewish people, but all the world, all of humanity is judged. And I think it’s… It’s very clear to me that the fact that there are certain nations that want to go on record right now, they will be judged for what they’re saying right now, and it will not go well for them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jeff, one thing I did want to say, because though some of this seems just absurd, one to do it on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, to do it when there’s ongoing conflict, when there is no clear leadership, as you said, even if you wanted to look at, you know, this one of these letters is addressed to Mahmoud Abbas. He has no authority at all in the Gaza Strip. In fact, his guys in the Gaza Strip were all killed by Hamas. So let’s remind people of that. That’s not reminded in these letters. But the second is this, though most of this is nasty and thankfully we have the Trump administration at the UN Security Council who can veto any kind of move to accept Palestine as a state to the United Nations. These countries now will likely move what they probably have missions already to embassy status. And these are some of the major players in Europe who are going to be doing that. So it does come with benefits to Mahmoud Abbas and those who, I guess, fly the Palestinian cause and act as if Hamas is not half of it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, hopefully, Israel, with America’s backing, can create consequences for that. Because it’s everything you’re saying, Jordan, plus it creates facts where it enables these corrupt thugs who run the Palestinian Authority, who are terrorists, to use the UN, which has been bankrolling their terrorism and involved in their terrorism, to then go after Israel in international legal fora. And it creates, which is exactly where we at ACLJ is one of the places we fight back against this, because they’re trying to create the idea that the Palestinians should have the right to criminalize Israel just for existing. And that’s one of the things we fight about at the UN, at the International Criminal Court, at the Court of Justice. And so this is another way for them to give teeth to what’s been nonsense, which is a terror organization not recognized as a state. Honestly, it pushes… closer to a conclusion, a clash between the United States standing with Israel and these other countries that have completely collapsed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Jeff, we know that these terrorists in Hamas and others, they love to attack Israel and the Jewish people around Jewish holidays to make a statement. And it’s actually quite shocking that these countries are taking a play out of the Hamas playbook by doing this diplomatic attack right around the start of the Jewish High Holy Days.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I will tell you, just, you know, this is not evidence of anything other than anecdotally. It is definitely the case that in Jerusalem, you hear more and more, not just in Jerusalem, but around Israel, more and more about whole communities picking up and departing these European countries, about masses of Jews trying to get out of Australia, feeling that those countries are no longer going to be safe for the Jews. And by the way, That is always the leading indicator when they become unsafe for Christians. It’s the leading indicator when it becomes unsafe for humanity. And it’s already happening.
SPEAKER 05 :
said earlier that you know a wedding happened over the weekend in new hampshire shooter came in uh murdered someone and all they said was free palestine and that was something that was barely reported uh in the media today because we just simply of all the things sadly it’s becoming a little bit too commonplace that always what’s happens what happens with all of these kind of sort of domestic issues when they become commonplace we become peace in israel over these holidays Yep. For real. It’ll be an interesting few days.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m not just in the idea. And pray for the Jewish people all over the world as they celebrate at their places of worship, where they gather, because we know the evildoers, they love to attack on these days. It’s historic. You can see it in history. And unfortunately, like you said, these countries have bought right into it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but we’re going to get back to the work of the ACLJ also tomorrow, so make sure you stay tuned. We’ll be back tomorrow. Again, go to ACLJ.org. Be a part of the team today. We’ll talk to you tomorrow.
