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Dive deep into the unexpected challenges faced by iconic locations like Georgetown, as we explore the sheer power of nature’s allure. John and Andy unravel stories of vibrant foliage, the consequential visitor surges, and the often overlooked preparedness required to accommodate such an influx. In the second half, we pivot to an insightful discussion with Leslie Corbley, attorney and author, who critiques the often undiscussed biases within the progressive left. Discover what toxic femininity means in today’s cultural landscape and learn why political activism on college campuses could be shaping future generations.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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With your host, John Rush.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job first. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
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Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life. That there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
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Are you crazy?
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Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back. Hour number two. Myself, Andy Pate, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Again, Charlie Grimes, our engineer, and a beautiful, I was going to say Saturday, but it’s not Saturday. It’s Tuesday. But, man alive, it looks gorgeous out. We have a little bit of color changing now down at the lower elevation. And I will tell you that if you’ve been in the higher country, still a good time to go up. Not a problem. It all looks like our guest is not going to be able to join us at all, Andy, so we can continue on with our last conversation.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, did you see what happened to Georgetown? I did not. They had to shut down Georgetown. Really? On Saturday. So inundated? Yeah, it got totally overrun with just people, leaf watchers. I did not know that. No, I did not see that. And they’re wonderful people up there. Corey and I like going to Georgetown. We like going to a lot of those towns. And Georgetown got so overrun because the leaves were so nice that they had to shut it all down. And I think they even had a power outage that hit. And so, yeah, I mean, and so luckily, I guess a lot of their restaurants are expect that. So they have the generator generators ready, but they were packed. They were packed, lined up and down the street.
SPEAKER 16 :
I did not know that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And it got to where the cars could not get in and out of the city, period. okay and you it was kind of funny because i saw they had a story of it on you know online and they were talking about it given the reports and so cory my wife she goes to the um her phone brings up georgetown solid dead deep red everywhere you couldn’t move a car in or out very popular i okay makes sense now where the where the leaves still good i mean how far up
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, I think it depends on where you’re at. I know up towards Allen’s Park and some of those areas, they’ve already fallen off, so not great there. But I had pictures from folks even over the weekend sending me stuff up in the, you know, Vail and that area. And still a lot of green still, meaning there’s probably one more weekend. This next weekend will probably be the, you know, it’ll start going downhill after that, I guess I’m trying to say. Got it. All right, so continuing on with our last hour’s conversation, our guest isn’t going to be able to join us, so it works perfect. We can just dovetail into what we were talking about. So one thing that we didn’t get a chance to do in the first hour because we got to talking to Eli, which was a great, great time, by the way. Not saying that in a bad way. Andy learned a lot from Eli, and I like Eli, have a lot of respect for Eli. I guess what I’m really trying to say there. I think he’s a great individual, knows a lot about what needs to happen inside of the party to get us back on track. Although it was a dumpster fire on Saturday, was it not?
SPEAKER 05 :
It was. It was a complete dumpster fire. I have never seen anything like that in my entire life. And what you have is this, John. The caucus system and caucus assembly system in Colorado, which is attended once again by less than 1% of Republicans, is totally controlling the Republican Party. 99% of Republicans in Colorado… are having no say whatsoever in who runs the party. And I’m not just talking state chair. I’m talking at the county level, district level, and so forth. The only way you can do that is if you go to these meetings that virtually no one wants to go to because of the opportunity costs involved.
SPEAKER 17 :
Which is what Eli explained.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And the grassroots, as they call themselves, that’s a joke because 1% is not the grassroots. No, it is not. 99% is. These people are the insiders.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s a better way of saying it, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I always call them this, insiders and activists. That is who runs the caucus and assembly. And so when I went to this meeting, I watched – and by the way, these are not bad people. I’m not saying, oh, these are all terrible, evil people, insiders and activists. That’s not the point. I’m saying that people who are insiders, who are connected, and people who are highly mobilized, motivated activists – are the ones running the show. And by definition, people who are insiders and activists are probably not going to be very connected to the market. They need to win.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you really see that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good point. Okay, makes sense. Okay, you did get our guest, right, Charlie? Okay, we do have our guest joining us. Great. Leslie Corbley joining us now. Leslie, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 12 :
Doing great. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, you’re very welcome. I appreciate you joining us. And you wrote a, you’re an, I should say, author and attorney, author of Progressive Prejudice, Exposing the Devouring Mother. First off, what’s the book about?
SPEAKER 12 :
Sure. So it blends autobiography and cultural commentary to critique the prejudices of the progressive left. So it kind of takes on that, the, yeah, like I said, the prejudices of the left, specifically in relation to toxic femininity.
SPEAKER 17 :
which we saw a lot of, by the way, I should say the left in really who they are after Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. I think that really shines a spotlight on the prejudice of the left, specifically in some of their sanctuaries of power, like college campuses, that frankly operate in a very, very much weaponizes empathy, compassion, nurturance, things that are typically associated with With with feminine care that tends to be weaponized on the left. And I think that’s becoming more clear to the public in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Leslie, talk about that, because in the wake of Charlie’s assassination, largely it was women that you would see online and in these news reports who were lashing out and screaming profanities and hate. Now, I understand a lot of these people are activists are paid. I get that. Right. But you would see a lot of women, way more women lashing out in hate. So discuss toxic femininity and how that’s playing into this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, sure, there’s a lack of self-reflection among those on the left, and they view themselves as tolerant, kind, you know, on the side of righteousness. And so the idea that they engage in hate, I think, is sort of, they’re kind of incapable to some degree of understanding that. And obviously, young females are a core constituency of those on the left. So as campuses have become more left-leaning, they’ve also become much more dominated by women. So I don’t think there’s any shock that, like I said, the weaponization of empathy, compassion, things like that tend to come from those on the left. And it’s no shock to me that there would be a high degree of overlap with those who are engaged in a lot of feminist rhetoric to sort of have a lot of antipathy and hatred for those on the right, like Charlie Kirk, who aren’t able to internalize his hatred.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m sorry. I thought you were done. I’m so sorry. But how did it become so toxic? Where is the compassion and empathy? Because there is none.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I think it’s really because those on the left think that they have, to some degree, a right to… um to decide who is worthy of compassion and care because at the end of the day every worldview says some people are to some degree beyond the reach of compassion like there’s there’s a degree of um stigma and taboos no matter what worldview you adopt right so those on the left i think just see themselves as the arbiters of who should access compassion which is why they label their opposition fascist you know misogynist whatever the pejorative is that justifies removing those individuals from the realm of people for whom you should have compassion.
SPEAKER 05 :
Why do they keep fighting against the patriarchy when it doesn’t exist?
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know. I don’t know. I guess, I mean, I guess to some degree the patriarchy exists in the sense that there are patriarchal orders. But I think what’s more interesting is that those on the left aren’t able to critique non-patriarchal power. So when you look at, for instance, a matriarchy or a society that sort of worships women in a way, I don’t think they’re really able to critique the harms that could come from that. It’s a very limited, narrow-minded worldview, and I think that’s what those on the left are struggling with, is that they haven’t had to justify or defend their worldview for decades.
SPEAKER 17 :
And they can’t see that the very party that they’re involved in, in the way that it believes and what it does in regards to transgenderism and a lot of other topics and beliefs, they can’t see through that that in all actuality that’s harming them, not helping them. They can’t see that. That’s the part that’s so confusing to me.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think that they’re very ideologically possessed in a very religious manner. So there’s a lot of zealotry surrounding the purity of their belief system and that they’re righteous people. as opposed to these other individuals who are on the side of hate or intolerance, things of that nature. So I don’t think that they’re able to see clearly not only that it’s a political liability, but that it actually causes harm. So that’s especially true in the case of transgenderism, where they’re incapable of understanding how irreparable of a harm it is for someone to alter their body when they’re in their teenage years. Right, and how easy it would be for them to regret, say, not having breasts or operative genitals in five to ten years. Like, they can’t see that as a legitimate harm.
SPEAKER 17 :
So in other words, they have righteous beliefs that aren’t righteous.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, yes, it really is like an inversion. I would consider it sort of a, from a worldview standpoint, a perverse world. Not that everyone involved in this is intentionally perverse.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, no, no, I understand exactly what you’re saying. It’s a perverse worldview, not in the sense of perverse, like we would talk about pedophilia and things like that, but it’s perverse because they’re literally doing the opposite of what they believe in.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, exactly. Yeah. So again, they struggle, I think, with the concept of self-examination to understand, oh, I’m engaging in the kind of hatred I preach against. So it preaches tolerance but practices a lot of prejudice.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. Leslie, I want you to test my belief here. I believe that all people can be toxic. but you’re going to see more toxic with whatever group a society empowers. Okay. And I believe in our society, they empower the feminine much more for a number of reasons. And so I believe that’s why we’re seeing a lot of toxic femininity. Is that true?
SPEAKER 12 :
I would absolutely agree. It’s also because I think we really struggle to identify toxic femininity because male forms of power are more overt. You know, when you’re punched in the face, I’m an attorney, just speaking in a family law system, you have evidence. When you engage in forms of emotional manipulation, it’s not something you can see. It’s not tangible. And that’s where women tend to dominate. So, for example, the most…
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I was just going to, you’re going right there. I was going to say, give an example of that toxic femininity. Flesh it out. Give us a couple examples of how you can see that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sure. So when I use the term the devouring mother, and in the book I use as an example of that, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with Gypsy Rose Blanchard, the girl who was, you know, she went to prison. Her mother had much housing by proxy, and she plotted to kill her. Munchausen by proxy is a disorder where a caregiver, almost always a woman, I think over 90% of individuals with Munchausen by proxy are women, and they create fictitious disorders for the person in their care, usually their children, and then they treat them for fictitious disorders, which is obviously a form of abuse. Now, if you take the structure of that and you remove the physicality element, what it is would be a woman projecting something onto a child for her own benefit under the guise of care. You can’t really see that. Even in Gypsy Rose Blanchard’s case, frankly, she probably would have never left her mother’s house if she hadn’t killed her. She probably was. This sounds horrible, but better off in prison than in her mother’s house. Because, I mean, the web of lies is, I mean, it’s so hard. How is she supposed to gather the evidence, right? She’s in a wheelchair.
SPEAKER 01 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 12 :
She doesn’t need to be in a wheelchair. But, you know, without evidence, you can’t really do much to stop abuse. And so if you remove the medical element, again, you have a lot of relational abuse. And women talk a lot, particularly those in the feminist movement, speak a lot about violence. emotional labor and how they have to do more caretaking and how that’s a form of a burden. But what isn’t talked about very often is how that same burden is a form of power. Because if you’re more emotionally literate and you have more power and more emotional labor, well, you have more power in that domain. So we don’t talk a lot about how women actually control future generations because they are the primary caregiver of children. They’re the primary educators. They sort of form the world that children navigate before adulthood. And that’s just not talked about because it’s taboo. It’s taboo to talk about women as having power outside of behaving like men.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, one last question. Looking forward, let’s talk politics and fatigue. I think that a lot of society is getting fatigued with this toxic femininity. I think they’re tired of just getting yelled at this way. But I wanted to ask you, how do you think it’s going to affect things politically with all these women raging after Charlie Kirk and saying what a terrible person he was? How do you think that’s going to affect politics going forward?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think it’s going to poison politics to a degree, but I think it will have a large effect on younger generations. As this power structure where there’s more toxic femininity is more entrenched, it’s going to be easier and easier for younger generations to see that. And that can have two effects. One is good and one is negative. The good effect of that would be a return to healthy masculinity and femininity, but what I’m concerned it will do is also have a pendulum swing too far, where you can have a lot of anti-female rhetoric because… The perverse or malevolent form of female power is never discussed. You have to be able to talk about both masculine and feminine forms of power and benevolence in in their own as they actually operate in the world or else you’re going to get i think something that would look like a pendulum swing too far and i think you’re seeing that in some red pill movements on the right where people go way too far the other direction understandable reaction to the environment that we live in well yeah because men can be toxic too not me and john but everybody else everybody else absolutely uh leslie how do folks get the book Oh, sure. So it’s on Amazon. You can just look it up on Amazon or it’s on my website, lesliecorpley.com.
SPEAKER 17 :
Awesome. Leslie, it’s been a joy having you. As you can tell, we’ve had a lot of fun and you’re welcome anytime. I appreciate you very much. Keep doing what you’re doing.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thanks so much for having me.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re very welcome. Appreciate it very much. Again, the book is Progressive Prejudice, Exposing the Devouring Mother. Get that on Amazon. Great interview, by the way. She was a lot of fun.
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Oh, she’s brilliant.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back, and I just have to do this. I can’t help myself, Andy. Everything she just talked about in regards to folks on the left, females on the left, describes the folks that we were talking about in the first hour regarding who was at the meeting this last week, what’s really happening inside of the Colorado GOP right now here in Colorado and so on. She literally described, almost to a T, not knowing these people, the exact same people.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and can I say something here before we get into that? I’m sorry that I keep using the term Davidians, okay? Because I know some people don’t like it. They say it sounds cult-like, like branch Davidians.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it kind of is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah, but here’s the thing. The reason I use that term is because none other works. Because you can’t call them the grassroots. Because they’re not. When you want 1% to control the party, you’re not for the grassroots. I don’t want to call them the establishment, even though they are the new establishment, because that confuses people. I don’t know what to call them because they follow Dave.
SPEAKER 17 :
I want to interject because, Andy, because we talked about this during the first hour. I want to make sure that I’m clear on this. It’s not even the 1%.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, it’s less than 1%.
SPEAKER 17 :
We’ve got almost a million registered Republicans in Colorado. It’s like 970,000 or something. So it’s just shy of a million. And you literally have. We talked about this a few minutes ago. You’ve literally got about 25 people. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. I said 100 earlier. It really probably is more like… 25 that then influence maybe 100 that then go out influence these several hundred that were actually at the meeting.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you’re talking Mark Hampton.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re talking Dave Williams. You’re talking a very small group. Very small group. So it’s not even 1%. It’s a very small number of people that are controlling things right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That rage mob that I saw on Saturday, which, by the way, I expected. Okay, and we’ll talk about that later. But that rage mob… controls the Republican Party in Colorado. Think about that. And that rage mob is controlled and led by a couple dozen people. Think about that.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s really sad.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, Rhino Watch, Chuck and Julie, they lead the rage mob that holds a majority of the state central committee of the Colorado Republican Party. Okay. And it was unbelievable. Okay. Back to what you were saying, though, because you were talking toxic femininity. John Leslie, any group in any situation that gets outsized power. So a few people who get a bunch of power in a situation. It can be in a corporation. It can be on a church board. Absolutely. It can be anywhere. People are sinners. Sin is the one constant in the universe outside of gravity. This is one thing. Even before I became a Christian, I had no problem with the concept of sin because I knew people.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay? There were so many people, how can you call me a sinner? I was just like, well, that part’s easy. What are you kidding?
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, look around.
SPEAKER 16 :
Look at you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Have you ever had a job? Right. Are you kidding me? Okay. Sin is the one constant. And I’m going to tell you, when you give outsized power to any small group, they are going to become toxic. Now, this group right now, Obviously, it’s toxic, but let’s go before them.
SPEAKER 17 :
Unless there are exceptions to this, by the way, there are people that can, you know, take control, i.e. Trump and the folks that are around him now and overwhelm them. Yeah. The difference is, though, what’s the motive? With Trump, I believe his motive is he loves this country. He wants to see what’s best for this country. He wants to see what’s best for the individual workers of this country. He’s tired of what the left and the establishment and that the swamp, if you would, have done to people over all the years. And so his motives are pure, Andy, but that’s not the case with these folks here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 05 :
And here’s the thing, though, John. Here’s the thing. We are complex individuals. We aren’t just one thing or the other. And what I mean is this. It’s not like a lot of those people who were at that meeting didn’t don’t feel the same about America. I’m going to be sitting down with a couple of them for lunch here pretty soon, who are the Davidians. And I want to talk to them about, look, we want the exact same things. How can we work together to get there?
SPEAKER 17 :
But the motives or the direction, the strategy in how to get there are completely different.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, the strategy is totally different. But my having a different strategy doesn’t mean that I’m anti-MAGA or that I hate Trump or that I hate America. That’s right. And The thing is this, most of those people there, in fact, I would say out of the people who were at this meeting, and it was about 430 people, okay, out of 506 who were on the SEC. Okay. Most of those people there, I believe, definitely love America and support Donald Trump and love his vision. But, John, people are complex. Even if you have those good motives, will they be overwhelmed by bad motives if you are given outsized power? And I will tell you this. There were a few people there who I don’t think give—pardon my French—give a damn about Trump. or his power there are a few people there who are grifters and who were there to and they were leading this they were going up to the microphone point of order point of order point of order and they were doing this to play to the angry crowd and to leave lead the mob with the torches and pitchforks so that they could you know kill the frankenstein monster that they believe britta is okay and this is what they would happen when they killed christ
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, it is. Sorry, but it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is. It is. Bring us Barabbas. Bring us Barabbas. Yeah, and I’m not saying Britta Horne is Jesus. But I’m just talking about the crowd dynamic.
SPEAKER 16 :
That mob mentality is the same thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and it was a mob mentality. And the mob took over. By the way, I felt terrible for the people there, the campus cops who had to watch this and secure the area. There was one, a young lady, and she was very bright. She was a cop. And had this bright red hair. She was a very nice lady. And at the beginning, I thanked her for being there. And, you know, we really appreciate it. And she said, well, you know, we know that you guys really appreciate us. And it was very positive. By midway through, her face was shell shocked. She had never seen. And so what I’m saying is this. What happened at that meeting is going to be played over and over and over in the public eye now by the Democrats. They are going to humiliate us with this. The mob has taken over. Now, this right now, that group, the Davidians, I call them that because I don’t have another word.
SPEAKER 17 :
OK, it fits.
SPEAKER 05 :
It fits because they do act like they do act like a cult. They do follow above all one person politically in Colorado. Okay. Everybody says they love Trump. That doesn’t count. Okay. In Colorado, they follow Dave. They right now are in charge. They have dramatically, grossly outsized power. They are a fraction of a fraction of one percent and they’re running the state party. OK, they are in control and they were enjoying it. The bully mob. It was incredible to watch. But if you go back, I don’t know, 20 years and you think to who are we talking about before? But he endorsed Biden later. Oh, I can’t stand him. Ryan Call. Yeah, I will call out Ryan Call because he endorsed Biden, and I can’t stand that.
SPEAKER 17 :
He’s a previous GOP chair for all of you listening.
SPEAKER 05 :
Ryan Call was considered the other end of the party, okay? The elites, the ones, and it was people like him that enraged the other people to where they formed the mob that we now have. So I think the mob that we now have was actually caused by people like Ryan Call, which is kind of funny because that mob will equate Eli with Ryan Call. Eli and Ryan Call, their views are totally different. Eli loves Trump. Ryan Call endorsed Biden. But, you know, anybody who’s not them, they say, is a rhino and he’s on the other side. That group that we, you and I would even call rhinos, used to be in charge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they had outsized power.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they were toxic.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they used the levers of power to hold people down and silence them and run over them in elections. So I’m just saying this has been done from both sides of the Colorado Party. Right now, this side is doing it, and they’re going to do it for a while. Because what I saw, Britta right now, I mean— You know, I would have handled things differently from the podium, not just with Britta, but with a number of speakers. But I’m telling you what, even if that was handled perfectly, it could have been Charlie Kirk up there, and he would have gotten blown off the stage.
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Call in to the KLZ studio line, 303-477-5600. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself and Andy Pate, of course. Marty, what’s going on, sir?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I guess I just want to get you guys’ thoughts. Are you as surprised as I am about this sort of unicent agreement, understanding this is what happened in the Charlie Kirk situation? We’ve mourned him, we’ve buried him, we’re going to live in his honor, but we’ve moved on, case closed. Are you guys as surprised as me as there’s been this sort of just almost 100% compliance with the narrative? Which narrative? There have been several. Well, the narrative of the government, which is we have a lone homosexual shooter that used his grandfather’s .36, and he sent those messages, and he put it together about a week ago. Case is closed. There wasn’t any help.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I’m fine with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thus far, the evidence would strongly seem to indicate that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I don’t see all of the other quote-unquote things that I’ve seen out there. I watched one yesterday that somebody sent me, by the way, Marty, and as I look through some of these other videos where people claim that this happened and his lapel mic blew up and somebody behind him actually charged it and this, that, and the other, all a bunch of nonsense, Marty. Total, utter nonsense. Really?
SPEAKER 07 :
So no concern with the no autopsy? Not a problem?
SPEAKER 17 :
There’s an autopsy. I don’t think we’ve got the results yet, but they’re doing an autopsy. I did some research on that last week, and I haven’t seen anything that says there’s no autopsy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I’ve not seen that at all. Well, and the reason it leads that way is because they had the physician at the emergency room sign the death certificate and was the one that concluded that it was Charlie’s neck bone. that stopped that 30-06. And again, they’ve got the angle. So again, and the reason I say this is because history is repeating itself in this sort of trauma happens, government is very quick and early to establish the story, and then people start to just, okay, got it. They repeat that over and over. I go to Bill and he’s telling me, guys.
SPEAKER 17 :
So what’s the… Marty, what’s the alternative? I mean, if that’s not what happened, then what should? And I guess I’m asking you the question. Yeah, who did it? Yeah, and furthermore, does it really change the outcome of anything? Who’s behind it?
SPEAKER 05 :
Marty, who do you think’s behind it? Who do you think was really behind the murder of Charlie Kirk?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think it’s an intelligence hit. Why?
SPEAKER 17 :
I’m going to be a devil’s advocate. Why? What do they benefit from that, Marty?
SPEAKER 05 :
What intelligence agency and how do they benefit?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you know the most lethal is Mossad’s CIO.
SPEAKER 05 :
I knew it was going there. Don’t go there. I was actually working you that way, Marty.
SPEAKER 17 :
Don’t go there, Marty. Not with me, please.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let’s not beat around the bush.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thank you for doing that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 17 :
That has got to be the dumbest thing, Marty, I’ve ever heard.
SPEAKER 05 :
There is absolutely no evidence that Mossad took him out. None. Zero.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, gosh, no. Well, we’re not getting there yet. That’s my whole point of the conversation. We’re not going to get there.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s going to be the stuff put out by the Tuckers and Candaces. Look, that is not going to be put out by the evidence. None of the evidence is led that way. The fact that some national voices really don’t like Israel and Mossad and are therefore trying to put out all of these conspiracy theories about Mossad behind everything. I heard another one that they were putting out. They were insisting that Netanyahu is going around insisting that he is running Trump, that he is controlling Trump.
SPEAKER 17 :
Nobody controls Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
And so I had several people online say that. And to each one, I said, please give me one piece of evidence. They all vanished. There isn’t any.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, how about the fact that Trump has put his blessing back on all these wars? He’s rearming Ukraine, and he has said— Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Marty. Blessing on wars?
SPEAKER 17 :
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Marty, hang on. I missed that. Hang on, I’ve got to stop you, because, yeah, I haven’t seen that. In fact, his latest statement about Gaza and having a two-state system, which goes against what Israel and Netanyahu would actually want at the end of the day, tells you right there that, no, they are not controlling him, Marty, not in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 07 :
You haven’t heard the change in tone, twist in tone, when it comes to the rearming and defense of Ukraine? That’s out there.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, because that’s the only way he’s going to defeat Putin. Of course that’s the way it’s going to be, Marty.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, obviously, because look, Marty, that’s a fluid… Let’s take a look at Ukraine and Russia really quick here. Marty, can I finish? I was right. I was mid-sentence. I’ll let you talk. Please, of course. I’ll let you talk. Okay. Okay. Let’s take a look at Ukraine and Russia. That is a very fluid situation where he’s been negotiating with both sides. For this month, he’ll be down on this side. And for that month, he’ll be down on that side. And he’ll press, press, press, press, press. And then he’ll get angry when Putin goes too far and starts shellacking Ukraine again. Look. Donald Trump is a dealmaker. Donald Trump knows that you do complex leveraging of each side, and you do it in the media. This is what he does. I’ve got to be honest. He does it better than anyone I’ve seen.
SPEAKER 17 :
As far as Ukraine and Russia go, as much as I don’t want to be there, I’d be doing exactly what Trump’s doing to get rid of Russia. That’s exactly what I’d be doing.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, I don’t appreciate that, guys, because the underlying, we’ve been told, is World War III.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, stop!
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Tucker predicted that would happen when Trump hit Iran. What happened? Nothing.
SPEAKER 07 :
But that’s why we’re supposed to be so scared, though, remember? So scared of what? Of what? of Russia. I mean, this idea that Russia is going to take Ukraine and they’re moving to Poland and they’re moving to England… Do you not know the history of Putin and what he really wants, Marty?
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, you’re not that clueless.
SPEAKER 07 :
Are you suggesting that right now, Putin… aims to regain the Soviet Union’s former glory.
SPEAKER 17 :
Marty, he is an old KGB guy. He absolutely wants the old USSR back.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 17 :
No denying that at all. But I don’t think he’ll get it. No, he’s not going to get it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do I think he would like to take Poland? Yeah. Do I think he’d go for England? Absolutely not. It’s ludicrous. And by the way, I don’t think he’ll get to Poland. I don’t think he’s going to get that far. Here is why Trump is now saying, hey, I can help you. arm Ukraine and we’re going to do this and we’re going to fight and we’re going to drive them all the way out. The reason he’s doing that is because Russia is B has had excellent meetings with China and India. They’re getting great purchases of their oil and they need to see a big show of force from the other side to get them to stop this war. Otherwise they’re going to press on China and India have made sure that they can do it. So they need to hear Russia. From Trump, hey, we’re willing to come at you with both guns sizzling. It’s not going to be World War III. But would he fight him back? Yes. He’s got to draw a line. Look, look at it this way, Marty, and then I’ll let you talk. With China and India empowering Russia in that way, what if Trump did nothing? What would Russia do? Wouldn’t they just keep pressing on?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not really.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s really hard to take care of an empire that large, especially if there’s not some kind of strategic advantage. Listen, Putin has tried to take back Crimea and the Donbass.
SPEAKER 05 :
He did take back Crimea.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, exactly. And look at what that’s caused on the global stage. So I don’t know that he’s going to start declaring victory over all these other nations, but I just want to make sure what you guys just spelled out, though, that in theory, 2026, 27, 28, 2030, doesn’t matter. As long as this thing is going on, Americans and the U.S. taxpayer dollars should be contributing somehow. Is that what you’re saying? I didn’t say that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, no. And Trump… And come on, Marty, you know Trump. Trump doesn’t believe in long engagements. You know that. He doesn’t want any more.
SPEAKER 07 :
What’s he doing? He could have said, you know what?
SPEAKER 05 :
He wants a short, hard, fast, and quick pushback if Russia doesn’t come to the table. Right now, everything he’s doing is to bring Russia back to the table. It’s leverage. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can’t. It takes two to tangle. Just because the other person doesn’t come to the table doesn’t mean that you aren’t working to leverage the best to get them there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we’re way into this thing way too long. The second thought on this international chaos is that he did say, as if Hamas didn’t give back these Israeli prisoners, what do you call them? Oh my gosh, I’m blank on it.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s okay, the hostages.
SPEAKER 07 :
The hostages. Excuse me, the hostages.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
He’s given Bibi the green light to flatten the region, and it’s their fault. And I guess, though, I mean, are you okay with that? Because he said it was already like room beyond him.
SPEAKER 17 :
Marty, I was of the opinion early on that Israel should have flattened them from day one. So you’re talking to the wrong guy on that end of things. I thought they should have flattened it, brought in dozers, and scraped the whole thing off and start over is what I said.
SPEAKER 07 :
If we kill every kid, what do we get out of it?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, you’re talking about kids. Come on. You must not have heard me back then, Marty, because I said, you know, send out leaflets, drop them, give them a week to get everything out of there. This is what’s going to happen on X day. And then you flatten them. And if they’re still there at that point, they’re still there. That’s on them.
SPEAKER 07 :
You’ll be homeless in the desert somewhere.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re talking to a guy, Marty, that has no sympathy for Hamas or any Hamas supporter which voted those folks in in the first place. Everybody on your side must have forgotten that they voted these knucklehead terrorists in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, a majority of Gazans voted for a terrorist organization that was pledged to remove their neighbor off the face of the earth. And you don’t think that there’s going to be, no, I’m not done, and you don’t think there’s going to be repercussions of that? What if Canada had a majority of their citizens vote for leadership that pledged to remove America off the face of the earth? Are you telling me there wouldn’t be repercussions? Would we flatten it, though? I mean, there’s 50,000. I would hope so. If they came in and did what happened on October 7th, if they came and did that to us, yeah, we would.
SPEAKER 07 :
Great. The only difference is this is America. That’s Israel. We’re not related. We’re not family. So, again, on our homeland, totally different story. Who says we’re not? Where is the brotherhood?
SPEAKER 17 :
There are only real allies, Marty. How are we not related in that end of things?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they’re our best ally in the worst part of the world.
SPEAKER 17 :
There are only real allies we have, Marty.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, where were they on 9-11? We really needed that support on 9-11.
SPEAKER 17 :
You wanted the Jews to stop 9-11? We didn’t need any help, Marty. We were fine on our own. What were they supposed to do? Go up in the buildings and stop it?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, there are eyes and ears in the middle.
SPEAKER 17 :
You’re a guy, Marty, who doesn’t believe the planes flew in and actually took the building down anyways, correct?
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t at all. And I think if you look at building seven fall down.
SPEAKER 17 :
I can tell you one thing, knowing how those buildings were built, knowing the structural integrity of things, knowing that end of things like I do as somebody that has been in that world for some time now, Marty, those planes brought those buildings down.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And by the way, Marty, because just because there are eyes, by the way, Marty, just because there are eyes and ears in the Middle East, which, by the way, they are. And they’ve given us a lot of great intel, not just them. The Qataris have given us a lot of great intel. But just because of that, that doesn’t, let me finish, just because of that, that doesn’t mean they know all things. That doesn’t mean that Israel somehow would have known that we were going to get hit on 9-11. They’re not God. I mean, are you proclaiming them God? Are they all knowing?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I mean, that would be one of the useful tools of Israel. Hey, there’s a terrorist activity right next door to us, and we hear about it. It would have been beautiful had they known. But they didn’t, so they’ll try again next time. You know, we do pay about $3 billion a year in aid for that friendship.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s actually a very, very small price to pay, Marty, to keep the Middle East. They are a cheap date for what they give us. Cheapest of any country we help, Marty.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah. For what we get out of that, that is a beautiful, my gosh, we should pay more.
SPEAKER 07 :
Can you guys, though, just point to one thing right now that, say, without Israel, we wouldn’t have this, or this is a success in America because of this? Can you give me one example?
SPEAKER 17 :
The Middle East would be in utter turmoil, and you would have World War III if Israel weren’t there. I’ve got to close with that, Marty. I’m going to break. We’ll be right back. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al Smith did a great job here recently on an interview. Listen in. You’ll hear Al tomorrow, by the way, between 2 and 2.30. Find him at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 09 :
TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I’ve been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts, but what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 09 :
What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven’t made that next step?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that’s a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody’s comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about this different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don’t put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it’s not that there’s good ones or bad ones. It’s there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
SPEAKER 09 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 09 :
And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
You bet.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. We’ll rattle off a few things, by the way, that we actually do get from Israel in regards to Marty’s last question. We had to take a break, so I didn’t have any choice but to go ahead and move on. But one of the things, and I’ll start this, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
A lot of the technological advancements that we have today in regards to not just the military end of things, but other things in general is huge. We wouldn’t have without that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they’re, by the way, getting to where they can take down missiles with lasers, and they’re going to share that with us. You know, just as a quick example, okay, John, I want you to imagine. If you could give $4 billion a year to every one of the major countries in the Middle East, and if they did these things, would you do it in a heartbeat? Number one, have a full functioning democracy. Number two, no terror camps sponsoring no terror around the world, such as 9-11 or anywhere else. Number three, no oppression of women. Number four, no oppression of Christians. Number five, no oppression of gays. Number six, total intel sharing on their area. Number seven, we have a foothold in the area that we don’t have to fight for. And we don’t have to defend ourselves.
SPEAKER 17 :
Don’t have to have a base there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
We spend no money on bases or anything along those lines right there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. I think that’s seven. Let me do eight. Number eight, they vote with us at the UN every time, while the other countries almost always vote against us.
SPEAKER 17 :
I want to add one more thing on the technological end of things. That’s not just military weapons, things like that, but the drugs and all of the life-saving things that we actually have today, you can contribute a lot of that partnership we have with them as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. Now, if you could have every nation be just what I described there, in the Middle East, we would have virtual world peace. Okay? Do you realize that? We would have virtually world peace. They are the cheapest date on the planet.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
This is like taking a girl out. And having her pay. Yeah. And you offer to take her to the best restaurant down in the tech center, and she says, no, no, no, I’ll pay. I mean, $4 billion for that? Can you imagine if we gave that to Iran and they became all those things? Or if we gave that to Libya or Syria?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, if they would become those things, that’d be great, but it doesn’t work that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. North Africa. If we gave that to Tunisia, if we gave that to any of these places and they became all those things, we would pay that in a heartbeat. And by the way, one last thing. What would be our Defense Department’s needs at that point? They would go way down.
SPEAKER 17 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
All right. Article I read this morning. Very interesting, by the way. Germany has just found 43 million tons underground of lithium. Yeah, I saw that. Meaning that if that turns out to be true, which it sounds like it is, and they can actually mine that and make that happen, China just lost a ton.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they did.
SPEAKER 17 :
That really hurts China. And I’m guessing China just lost a ton because typically Germans are, because of their heritage, A, they don’t like being wrong, meaning they’re not going to produce any kind of news that they can’t come along and back up because it’s the nature of who they are, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Am I right? That’s very true. Yeah, you don’t hear a lot of conspiracy kook stuff come out of there.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, they’re very, you know, they’ve got that engineering type mind, if you would, where they want to be very accurate in what they’re doing and so on, almost to a fault, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Although they shared the conspiracy kook stuff against Israel that we heard earlier.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, again, you can’t, you know.
SPEAKER 05 :
But no, generally when Germany says something, it’s on the up and up. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
So point being, 43 million tons, and they’re learning, by the way, how to use lithium in ways and continue to advance that to where you’re getting more with less, I guess is the best way for me to describe that. Right. In fact, there’s even some other technologies coming along in the battery end of things where lithium might actually get supplanted with some other things that are out there. It’ll be interesting to see how that works. But at this point in time, this is a big hit to China, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Huge.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it’s just hugely valuable. And by the way, that’s going to change the trade balance on the world stage, which I think could be pretty fun.
SPEAKER 17 :
And remember this, too, that Germany has had its own green setbacks, quote-unquote, meaning they are looking at alternatives and saying, okay, wait a minute, this whole green energy thing is not working out so well for us. This whole immigration thing, by the way, that we thought was so great isn’t working out so well for us. Maybe we ought to look further at what the U.S. is doing and maybe get back on track here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they should. First of all, they should be trading to use more oil and gas. But also, in my opinion, if you’ve got all that lithium, you should invest more in nuclear. Sure. Okay. Produce all that energy and then store it.
SPEAKER 17 :
43 million tons. That’s a big find for them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Helps their pocketbook immensely, by the way, at the end of the day. So, again, we’ve got a whole other hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Myself, Andy, and Charlie, we’ll be right back. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
The Rich Guy.
