Join us on this episode of Drive Radio as we dig into the world of motorcycles and automobiles. We cover Colorado’s new lane filtering laws, offering a clear understanding of what is and isn’t permissible under current regulations. With recent legal changes, many riders are curious about the newfound freedom and limitations they face when navigating gridlocked traffic.
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And we’re back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Ken Rackley, Tunetech Automotive. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. Larry Unger, answering phones. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. Give us a call. You can text us as well, 307-200-8222. And lane filtering, let me explain, because even I had this wrong. Actually, both Ken and I were partially right, partially wrong. So as of August 7th of 2024, lane filtering is legal in the state of Colorado. Lane filtering is the exact or sorry, is the act of a rider passing a vehicle in the same lane, but only when that vehicle in any traffic in adjacent lanes are at a complete stop. So it’s not even 15 miles an hour or under. Traffic has to be stopped. So even if traffic on, you know, I-70, I-25 is at, you know, 10 mile an hour and it’s moving, you are not allowed to filter in between those cars. Traffic has to be at a complete standstill. You can filter at a stoplight. That’s where I was wrong. I didn’t think you could, but you can, and you can move to the front of the line. especially if there’s a lot of traffic, things are gridlocked and so on. So let’s say, for example, there’s, I don’t know, 20 cars in the line and you want to move to the front. You can filter in between and move to the front of the line and off you go on a motorcycle. Now, my advice, if I were a rider, if there’s only a couple of cars in front of you, You know, honestly, why make other cars and people that may not know all of these laws mad by filtering up if there’s only two or three cars in that intersection? Truthfully, just get behind that last car and wait your turn and off you go. Now, if there’s, you know, a dozen cars or so there, sure, you know, filter up to the front and be my guest.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. The thing, you know, with motorcycles, especially if there’s nobody behind you and you’re stopped behind a car, you’re in a risk. You could be a sandwich. No, you’re in a risk. And I get that.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s why they’ve allowed this, because you can filter up and get yourself out of the way. But, again, if you’re, you know, you’re two or three, regular traffic, two or three cars at the intersection, there’s nobody coming up behind you. Somebody’s already stopped. I’d probably wait my turn and not worry about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
does put you out in front you know where you want to be but true you know because you can accelerate faster you can there’s a lot of you can’t no i i get what you’re saying too it’s just because there’s so many people that don’t understand and so many people want to turn you don’t want to create road rage when you don’t need to right or they want to turn right out of the left lane and come right across your path or into your whatever so
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Now, the rule where it’s 15 miles an hour or the law is, is if you’re going to filter, you have to be going below 15 miles an hour. So if you are in that situation where traffic on a major freeway is stopped and you’re going to filter in between, you must go 15 miles an hour or less. You have to be able to safely control your motorcycle to make sure there’s no issues with hitting mirrors and things along those lines. And again, once again, you must be on the left and you can’t enter oncoming traffic. So let’s say you are in a situation where you’re on a city street and everything’s all backed up and you’re wanting to get the front of the line. You can’t go into oncoming traffic because that light might be stopped, by the way. So there might not be any traffic on the other side, but you can’t go on the other side to go around everybody. You’ve got to stay within those lanes to make. That happened.
SPEAKER 07 :
But if there’s three lanes and you have to be on the left, where do you have to – the way the law reads, where does that put you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Which one is left?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I mean, if you’re in the middle and you pull between the left and the middle, you’re on the left of the middle, but you’re not on the left of the left. So there’s a little bit of non-clarity there.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and by the way, that’s where this – I was reading this to Ken earlier before we came back in from break – This thing isn’t completely… It’s not real clear.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s not crystal clear in a lot of these situations. And I’m pulling this, by the way, right off of the Colorado State Patrol’s website this isn’t coming off of the actual law or anything like that this is coming off of the state patrol’s website website which uh frankly on a lot of the freeways they’re going to be ones ones of the ones enforcing this probably more so than even some of the local cops would so anyways that’s the breakdown of lane filtering here in colorado And that’s something to remember. You’re still going to see motorcycle riders for probably another month. And by the way, even on nice days in the winter months. I mean, it can be a 60-degree day in December, and you’re going to see some motorcycles out. So be watching for them at all times because some of them you may not even hear, depending upon what you’re doing. And if you’re on the phone or if you’re listening to music or whatever, you may not actually hear them coming, depending upon what they’re riding.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
So bottom line, be careful. Now, for all of you motorcycle riders, I encountered this last week. My wife and I took for a little drive. We went up one of the canyons, kind of looking at some of the leaves and so on. And we got behind a group of motorcycles, which I wasn’t close to them. I gave them plenty of distance because you never know what these guys are going to do. And there was some knucklehead crotch rocket guy that literally was trying to pull wheelies as he’s driving along. And I’m thinking, you know… I don’t care that you can pull a wheelie. I don’t know who you’re trying to show off to because, frankly, I could care less whether you do a wheelie or not. Been there, done that. Those years are long gone for me. So whatever. More power to you. But what are you really proving in what you’re doing? And at the end of the day, once again, you’re like the guy rolling coal. You’re just making all of the other riders out there look like morons when they’re not. Why do you want to do that to your own industry? You know, to your own, how should I say that? Your own section of the industry maybe is the way to say it. I mean, you’re putting a black eye for all of the motorcycle riders because you’re that knucklehead. Yeah. Why do that? Right, exactly. I don’t get it. The other thing I learned, just not to beat up motorcycle riders, but I didn’t know this, but there’s a lot of motorcycle riders that ride motorcycles that don’t have a motorcycle endorsement. Why?
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Well, so when I got mine, and I will never let it lapse either.
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Me neither.
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When I got mine, it was a pain. It was a real pain in the neck to get. And I’ve had it since I was 16. And for the three bucks every five years or whatever it is to renew it, I just won’t let it go. I don’t either. There might be a chance that I get on the road again.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I’m not going to. It’s one of those things where it’s sort of like riding a bike. Once you do it, yes, you’re more proficient the more you do. But once you learn, you learn. I mean, you ride a bike. You can ride a motorcycle sort of a thing. Once you’ve done it, you can always get back on and ride again. And I don’t want mine lapsing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, exactly. Yeah, I’ll be legal when I do it. I have that endorsement. I’m not going to let it lapse. Right, exactly. So my brother, he’s a big rider. He’s got two big bikes that he rides on the road. And I was going to do a memorial ride with him last year. And he’s like, when was the last time you rode, especially with a group? And I’m like, yeah, 20 years. He’s like, yeah, it’s, you know, you need, there’s practice there. Yeah. You know, because you don’t know the group that you’re riding with. There is. No, I get that.
SPEAKER 09 :
And, you know, depending upon, you know, for a lot of you that are riders, you know this depends on what you used to ride. Some guys always, you know, rode, you know, like the Cross Rocket style bikes where you’re leaning over. Some guys always rode, you know, a Sportster style bike or they rode Harleys or whatever. And every one of those – it’s like cars. Every one of those handles differently.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, exactly. The last, you know, my dirt bikes, they’re, you know, they – they’re nimble, they’re light. They, they get airborne because that’s fun. Right. Exactly. And my son-in-law, he said, you can borrow my bike and it’s a sport tour. So it’s got, you know, lots of power, lots of, you know, it’s, you know, it’s fully modern. And, uh, and I, you know, so I declined that ride. I’m just like, you know, I, Yeah, I just I’m good. I’ll just meet you there in my truck. Yeah, we’ll be Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
So yeah. And Scott Wally just sent me this motorcycle deaths in Colorado have been on the rise reaching a record high of 165 fatalities in 2024, which was a 22% increase. And by the way, if that continues, and they figure that some of that is coming from the quote unquote, lane filtering, they’ll end it. Yeah, that won’t stay.
SPEAKER 07 :
I have a feeling just because what I’ve seen more recently is speed. I mean, seriously, on E470, on Parker Road, those are my main two roads that I drive on. Seriously, 70 miles an hour, 50 miles an hour over the speed limit.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ken, everybody knows this about me. I get in the HOV lane, and I’m driving the flow of traffic, which in a lot of cases is 70, 75 miles an hour. I get it. The speed limit is 65, but that’s the going speed.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s what you drive in the HIV lane.
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By the way, if you’re not going to drive that, get out of the HIV lane.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sure.
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Because the reality is everybody else is.
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You’re still moving.
SPEAKER 09 :
All you’re going to do is clog up traffic. Right, right. And with doing that, I have seen motorcycles whiz by that I know are doing 100. Sure. Easy. Yeah. Maybe more. Yeah. Maybe faster.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, I’m on Chambers twice this week, and on Chambers Road, 40 miles an hour, and I had somebody pass me at 80. True. I mean, and it’s not like it’s light traffic. I mean, you know. That’s just dumb. That’s just dumb.
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Yeah, because now you’re an Oregon owner.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, right. Sorry. Or you’re going to take somebody else out.
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Yeah, it’s just not fun. I mean, that’s just not. Again, you’re putting a black eye on your end of the automotive. Because motorcycles, I include in the automotive end of things. You’re putting a black eye for that section of the automotive world. So, you know, bottom line, stop doing it. All right. We’ll come back, take some calls, by the way. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Ken Rackley, Tunetech Automotive. And, again, talking about a lot of things today. We’ve gone everything from, you know, stuff you see on the Internet to our question of the day is, you know, driving pet peeves. We’ve covered all sorts of different things along those lines and then kind of got into the motorcycle end of things. And, you know, what I was talking about with motorcycles and their industry, the same thing can happen on the car thing. As of late, Charlie sent me an article later this week talking about the street racing that’s happening in a lot of different areas. Jefferson County Sheriff’s putting out some bulletins and some big things on street racing in that part. And again, when Bandimere went away, they have temporarily, you know, when are they coming back? Frankly, folks, I have no insight on that. I don’t know. I see different blurbs on it, but I have no direct contact with anybody, so I have no insight. But I do know that the street racing thing has increased, and I will say this straight up. We’ve talked about this many times on this program and my daily program. We are 1,000% against any kind of street racing, period. Shouldn’t happen. Don’t do it. You’re going to end up getting in trouble. You’re going to get people injured, killed, harmed, and so on at the end of the day. And I’ll say this as well, and I was taught this at a very early age when I started racing formally at places like Bandimere. When it’s not controlled like it is at Bandimere, it’s not even a race. In other words, when the track isn’t controlled and there’s no lights to tell you who’s leaving when, none of it is controlled in that aspect. It’s why I, by the way, won’t watch the program Street Outlaws because it’s fake. By the way, it’s all for show. It’s all for TV. And, frankly, I think it promotes something that shouldn’t be happening, which is street racing. That’s why I’m not a fan of that show at all. In fact, I think it never should have went on air. And as it turned out, it turned into more of these guys are very formal racers, and they even go to tracks and do different things. And that migrated as time went by. But early on, it was strictly these guys going out and closing off a section of a road and watching for cops and so on. And, again, it was a lot of hype. Yeah. reality is i’m not a fan of street racing any way shape or form it shouldn’t happen again it’s a really good way to get people killed and again it’s a black eye for our industry it’s why i’m not a fan of it never have been a fan of it yes i’ve i know it’s been around for a very long time but it shouldn’t happen if you’re taking part in that you and i are going to have some major differences because Again, even who wins, you didn’t win because at the end of the day, nothing is controlled. You don’t know if you even started correctly and who’s actually doing the timing of and who actually got across the finish line first based upon when they left and this, that, and the other. And at the end of the day, it’s really a very uncontrolled thing that somebody might claim to be the winner, but you’re not claiming really anything at the end of the day, in my opinion.
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All right.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s how I look at it. So don’t street race. And where Ken’s at in Aurora, it really is big in Aurora, but it’s spread around the rest of town. And it’s gotten to the point where these guys in the middle of the night will even block off all of I-225, for example, and they’ll run some street racing, and they’re blocking traffic at the same time, and it is a recipe for disaster.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 09 :
Period. So bottom line, don’t do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I can’t say, I cannot stress enough, it’s no different than a lot of other things that happen in the automotive world.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I would think our listeners do not. No. And they just, you know, hopefully don’t know anybody that does.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, yeah, I’m probably, you know, I’m not speaking to anybody out there that most likely is listening to me. The majority of people that are doing that are probably not in our camp. Our listeners, that’s typically not something you’re going to be doing. But, hey, you might run into somebody. You may know somebody. You might have a family member. Here’s what I would tell you to do. Discourage them from doing so. If you want to go race, then go formally race. There’s Julesburg up in the northeastern part of the state. You can go over to the western slope as well. Hopefully we’ll have something back in this Denver area where you can actually race. But until that happens, at the end of the day, racing on the street doesn’t benefit anybody, yourself included.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And yes, I get it. I’ve been there, done that. It’s fun to go fast. It’s fun to race somebody else. There’s a lot of adrenaline that happens. That’s all cool. That’s great. Do it in a controlled environment is my point.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, in today’s cars, you know, I mean, it used to be you would you would build a car to do that. You know, you used to be, you know, but now you can go out and just buy one, buy one, you know, buy one five years old that they just run good. You know, the cars are awesome.
SPEAKER 09 :
They are. I mean, the fastest car right now, personally, that I own is my, I have a 2024 Corvette Z06. That car from zero to 60 is like 2.4, 2.5 seconds or some ridiculous thing. Yeah, right. And it is one of the fastest cars I think I’ve ever owned, period, even back in the day when I was building cars. Now, I had an actual street roadster that we ran up at Bandimere, ran about a 9.6 quarter mile. Yes, that’s really fast compared to even… But the Corvette will run up here, you know, an 11-second quarter mile all day long. That is not a slow car.
SPEAKER 07 :
Not at all, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, there were cars back in the day we were trying to build and spend a lot of money on to make it go that fast.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you’re trying to build them to do 12s, and, you know, you’re dropping all kinds of high-dollar trailers.
SPEAKER 09 :
And this car right off the shelf will run that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, right. Is my point, Kent. And it’s a daily driver. And it’s a daily driver. Yeah, reliable and everything, so.
SPEAKER 09 :
Uh-huh. Point being, and Ken’s right, you can buy a lot of cars today that will do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And not even expensive cars. No. I mean, you know, just, you know, something. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
By the way, there are some EVs out there that maybe not zero to, you know, not a quarter mile, maybe not all the way up to, you know, 100 mile an hour, you know, plus, but from zero to 60 or even zero to 40 are extremely fast.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well under four seconds. Very fast. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
In fact, I will tell a lot of you guys that maybe, again, have folks that are into that street racing, into things and so on, never race an EV.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Seriously.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even so many motorcycle guys don’t race an EV. There’s chances that EV will be as fast as you are.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re super fast. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, they’ve got traction. They’ve got all the, yeah, exactly. So, again. Just fun.
SPEAKER 09 :
But my point for our industry, and this is for everybody listening. Do the things that make our industry better at the end of the day. Don’t do things that make the industry worse. Our industry gets enough black eyes already from all sorts of things, from the environmental end of things and so on. There’s so many people that are out to get the automotive industry in general. Don’t make it easy for them is my point. And I know I’m kind of talking now maybe a little bit of politics here, but again, at the end of the day, don’t make us an easy target. Guys like Ken and I, we have spent decades cleaning our industry up, literally, what our shops look like, how environmentally friendly we are, how we handle everything from the customer experience to taking care of the materials and the parts and the fluids and so on, and how clean, quote-unquote, we are throughout. And we’ve taken… You know, pride. I don’t even know how to say it, Ken. We’ve taken pride in cleaning those things up and making the industry across the board better. The last thing I want to say our industry do, Ken, is go backwards. Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
I want to see our industry continue to move forward, not go backwards. And unfortunately, it’s the knuckleheads that drive it backwards. Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I don’t want that.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And we’ve made strides, huge strides in the industry. Well, even talking about the cars that roll off the shelf and how fast they are, huge advancements that we now have that we didn’t have at one time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and, you know, to have that car, you know, roll off the shelf that’ll do, you know, zero to 60 in four or five seconds and still get 30 miles to the gallon and be fun to drive and quiet and, you know.
SPEAKER 09 :
uh and not smell bad and it’s amazing yeah right i mean it really you look at some of the modern cars and how quick they actually are i mean to the point where it’s like okay where am i going to drive this thing yeah right yeah it’ll go zero to 60 in 2.6 seconds but where are you doing that you’re right exactly yeah You’ve got to go find enough even freeway around to where there’s even less traffic and so on to where you’ve even got the ability to do it. And that’s getting harder and harder to even have happen. So bottom line, there’s a lot of cars made today. The new Z car from Chevrolet, the ZL1 car, 1,088 horsepower. I mean, the car is incredibly fast. Where are you going to drive that car?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s a car to say you have, but where are you going to drive that car?
SPEAKER 06 :
Anyways. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know I just went through a lot there, but you guys have questions. We’ve got a half an hour left. Anything you want to know, please give us a call, 303-477-5600. Myself, Ken Rackley, Tunetech Automotive. We’ll be right back. Again, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Few things are life-changing.
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All right, 12 seconds. I was just telling Ken. All right, here we go. Jeff from Western Montana. Go ahead, Jeff.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, good afternoon again. Yeah, Pet Peeve is when you go. We have Highway 93 here. It’s the main northwest conduit of Western Montana. It varies between one lanes and two lanes because of, you know, mountain conditions, going through the rez. environmental things, a whole bunch of different regions. But my pet peeve is when I’m behind somebody and they’re just doing just under the speed limit on a single lane, a two-lane portion of the road, and then you get to a passing place and you try to pass them, and all of a sudden they decide that they can speed up.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. I experience that all the time, Jeff. That one I don’t understand either. Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
And then… When you go back down to one lane, they slow back down.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t get it.
SPEAKER 16 :
And even as you’re trying to pass them, they’re acting like it’s a manhood issue. No, it’s not a manhood issue. It’s a driving issue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And really, Jeff, it’s a courtesy issue to the folks that are behind you. It’s one of the things that, you know, when you’re driving defensively, you know, you look behind you, how many cars are, you know, quote, unquote, starting to stack up. And if you’re driving so slow that you start to add, you know, 3, 4, 6, 10, 12 cars behind you, okay, hang on. You’re not going fast enough, and you either need to get out of the way and let everybody go by or speed up, one of the two.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and I have actually – Pulled off the side if I’m doing something where I have to drive slower, I’ll pull off to the side and let the traffic go by. Correct. You said there could be five to 15 cars behind you. Yep. And then law enforcement, I… you said that they can actually be out there and doing speed traps with no lights. I didn’t think that that was here.
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe they can in Colorado. Let me double check, but I think they can.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, okay. I don’t think they can up here because typically I see them with them on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Um, I think each state is different on that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. Uh, also you were talking about emergency flashers. I, uh, I had a situation where I pulled off the side and put my flashes on, and then the dang things wouldn’t go off. I had to push it on like a half a dozen times for the dang switch.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they never get used yet.
SPEAKER 09 :
And really quick, I did look. Under Colorado law, a police officer is not required to have their emergency or traffic enforcement lights or even parking lights on when running radar or LIDAR to detect speed. And that changed at one point, I believe. Because at one time, Jeff, here in Colorado, they did. yep i’m seeing i’m seeing if i can if i can ask and find out because so far nobody’s texted in on that i don’t know when that actually changed and i’m not sure i can find that um so far i can’t find an answer that so i i don’t know when that launch i i know when i first started driving which was a long time ago it was required that they have parking lights on to do that but As of today, no, they don’t have to.
SPEAKER 07 :
Did they even have lights on cars back then? Well, shut up. Shut up. We’re the same age. We had candles. We had candles. Candles, Jeff. Light the headlights. Candles and mirrors.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s funny. Yeah, they had to last a trip. You might have to bring an extra set if you were going along.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s hilarious. I will say that when I started, we had little bubble lights on the top of cop cars. That was it.
SPEAKER 16 :
yeah right yeah yeah there wasn’t light bars there were light bubbles yeah nothing heard of an led when headlights were off or turn signals were optional on pickup trucks so yeah um we had a 52 chevy pickup that had a strapped on turn signal because it didn’t come from the factory that way so yeah um so and one one final question uh I was down at a grandson’s military graduation this past week, and I rented a Kia Kona. I don’t know. Have you ever checked that vehicle out?
SPEAKER 09 :
I have, yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, sure have. I really liked it. I mean, it was nimble, quick. I mean, it didn’t have a whole lot of power. You know, at higher speeds, it wasn’t going to run any races, but it did everything it needed to. And the driver assist was pretty cool. I had that on my Honda. Ridgeline, but it’s more of a suggestion than anything else and on this Kona it was It would handle the lanes. Yeah, it’s not a suggestion.
SPEAKER 09 :
It does it the wheel. Yes. Yep.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely So and also the dash was you didn’t have just this, you know Basically a tablet screen in the middle of the dash. It was integrated into the dashboard all the way across your instrument cluster and It was included in it. It was maybe, you know, I’m going to say three, three and a half feet long and maybe six to eight feet, or six to eight inches high. But everything was integrated in it. It was very, very elegant. It was pretty cool. I hope more cars go to that rather than that add-on screen. I think it’s easier to get and cheaper, but it doesn’t. It doesn’t suit the needs as much as having it all integrated like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. No, the Konas are, yeah, nothing wrong with them. And that’s a Hyundai, by the way, but same thing. Hyundai, Kia, all the same manufacturer.
SPEAKER 16 :
Are they?
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Yeah, Hyundai owns Kia. It’s like Chevrolet, Cadillac, et cetera, GMC, same situation. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, okay. Kia is kind of the sport version, sportier version.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I think that’s a good way to say it. Maybe not quite as luxurious as the Hyundai end of things would be, I think is kind of how they market that, Jeff.
SPEAKER 16 :
So it’s kind of a Pontiac to a Buick? Yeah, in a way.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or a Chevrolet. In today’s world, a Buick to a Chevrolet. Honda to Acura type thing. Yeah, something like that, yes. Okay. And by the way, not taking you away from the Kias because they’ve equipped them, to your point, they’ve equipped them very well. In fact, you can get the counterpart of the Kona in the Kia version and you won’t see a ton of differences.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, like the Palisade and the Telluride, there’s not a lot of difference. Not a ton. Yeah. No, they’re pretty close. Those are SUVs. Mm-hmm. They’re bigger.
SPEAKER 09 :
But no, Kona’s a good car. Really quick, a lot of, I was explaining this to somebody the other day as I was on the elevator. Somebody was complaining about, you know, Kia’s being, you know, cheap and inexpensive and why would anybody own one and so on and so forth. I’m like, okay, time out. First of all, let’s back up.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because they’re cheap and inexpensive.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and where I think Kia and Hyundai kind of went wrong initially was they brought out cars that were very, comparatively speaking, inexpensive compared to a lot of their counterparts. And unfortunately for them, it drew in a lot of people that, frankly, Jeff and Ken probably shouldn’t have bought a new car in the first place, meaning these were people that were probably barely affording to get into the car in the first place, couldn’t afford to maintain the car once they bought it. And since they didn’t, the cars got a bad rap because most of them were very under-maintained.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
So in turn, a lot of those early Kia and Hyundais had mechanical problems, but a lot of that was from the owners themselves, not necessarily the car, because people bought cars they never should have in the first place. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 16 :
It does. I also think that it’s a learning curve. If you’re a Hyundai and you’re trying to get into an international market versus… domestic Korean market, it’s a whole nother level. And you’ve got to really step up your game. And if you don’t realize that, you don’t know what playing feels like, you know, I’m not going to say that Koreans are used to less quality. I just think the driving over there, distance wise, speed wise, um, expectations, it’s a completely different thing.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is. And in turn, Jeff, when they came here, they sort of marketed to that lower-end car buyer. I don’t know how else to say it. I’m not trying to be rude or anything, but they did market the car to kind of that lower-cost, lower-end car buyer.
SPEAKER 07 :
More affordable transportation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, while… not training them on, okay, once you buy this car, yes, we have certain maintenance markers that we’d like to see you make. In fact, we want you to do those to keep your warranty in effect and so on and so forth. And unfortunately, Jeff, they didn’t do very well in that aspect of things.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I mean, I can remember when I was stationed in Okinawa in the mid-’70s that I had a Toyota, and it really ran well. But all of the appointments were really low quality. You could really tell that they had scrimped on the fit and finish. And so it just wasn’t going to last as long, I guess is what I would say. And I think that Kia has learned from that, and Hyundai has learned from that. And, yeah, their vehicles stand up to… everybody else is very well plus they tend to be less expensive on the whole so yeah I’m not I didn’t want to cast any aspersions it was just it was a good experience I’d consider buying one I’m glad you said that I can’t disagree with you at all Jeff not at all alrighty good stuff appreciate it very much Mark you’re next go ahead
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, I got a question and then two comments. Sure. First question is my 2015 GMC Yukon has tire pressure monitoring system, which is cool. And I look at it periodically just to see, you know, are they at the right numbers for the tag on the inside of the door? And I’ve never really cared about those numbers as far as where they were located because I’ve always used a manual gauge. Well, now I’m getting a little older where I would like to have it aligned. And I’ve had multiple cars with these systems, but I’ve never thought twice about, you know, having to make sure they were on the right corner. And so I read through the manual this morning and talked about a GM tire pressure monitoring tool to be able to locate that. And I was just wondering, do I have to buy the tool from GM or can I go online and find a generic tool for that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, you should be able to find a generic tool for that.
SPEAKER 09 :
In other words, you want to know what sensor is where? Is that what you’re trying to say, Mark? So right, front, left, rear, so on?
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct, yeah. There was a couple days ago when they were low, and I was like, oh, I’ll just go to the gas station and put an air in. I didn’t grab my chuck, which is normally in the door, and it was there. I just didn’t grab it.
SPEAKER 09 :
You want the easiest way to do that moving forward? that I use all the time and a lot of listeners now do because of my suggestions. Get any one of the cordless air compressors. They’re made by every tool company out there and even some off-brands that you can buy that aren’t very expensive. Some of these are all the way down in $25, $30 range. And literally, Mark, these things come all self-contained. You set the pressure you want the tire to be at, hit the go button, and walk away. And when it’s done, it’s done. You go to the next tire, and you don’t have to do anything. Best thing ever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. I’ve definitely looked into that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mark, you will find yourself, I have anyways, using these on a lot more than even just the tires on your car. I use it for everything.
SPEAKER 05 :
My wife keeps giving me guff about having a 30-gallon compressor from 30 years ago with a 100-foot cable.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even me, I’ve got a big compressor out in my shop and stuff with air hoses and the whole nine yards, Mark. When you buy one of these, you hardly ever drag that line back out for anything. You just don’t need to.
SPEAKER 05 :
Maybe I’ll wait a little too closer to… Oh, they’re the best thing ever.
SPEAKER 09 :
And my suggestion is, you know, whatever tool you normally use. So a lot of people are Milwaukee guys. Some guys are DeWalt guys. Some guys are Makita guys. Some guys are Ryobi and so on. Whatever brand you’re already using with batteries, just buy the compressor that goes with your batteries, and off you go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, probably the Milwaukee version.
SPEAKER 09 :
If you buy them without a battery, they’re $100. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so I have two comments. One, pet peeve. So I had two pet peeves, but I’ll just narrow it down to one. Go ahead. And that’s merging. You know, when I’m on the highway, I can’t stand it when my wife is like, hey, you know, you need to be a little more kinder instead of hard-headed when you’re in the right lane and someone’s trying to merge in your lane. You know, there’s all kinds of room, and she wants me to move over. And I’m such a hard-headed, like, heck no. The law states this. I’m driving this way, and there’s all this space. They can go freaking pound sand and figure out how to learn to drive. But yet I still get chastised that I have to be a little more kinder to the people that break the law. And it just frustrates me on, you know, the merging side and then the whole wife part of it. But anyway.
SPEAKER 07 :
I always move over to the left if the left lane’s empty.
SPEAKER 05 :
I do too. But, you know, that’s… Well, I usually do, but sometimes I just, I’m like, I don’t want to. I paid my taxes, I’m in this lane, I’m staying in this lane, and that’s it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I get it. And I’ll even back off and let somebody in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, one other comment that I’ve got. So I used to be on the town council. I’m not a person that likes to get into politics, but I thought I could make a difference. So I ran and I got reelected a few times, and I got a lot of stuff done. And one of the things that I was trying to accomplish was upgrading our water booster station because it runs mainly off electric and then has a backup generator if the power fails. Well… Our town has had power outages, and when it does, the controls do not kick the generator on, or the generator batteries are dead, or some kind of switch is broke, and it doesn’t work. And so I’ve kept a stock tank full of water to make sure we always have water, and I don’t have to worry about it. Well, they talked about this whole issue because our power went out, and then our water went to zero pressure a week ago, and in the meeting… You know, the mayor asked who’s at the maintenance for public works, you know, when was the last time you guys did preventative maintenance on these generators? And they said, oh, we haven’t changed the oil or coolant since 2018. And I’m just like, what? How can you say you’re a part of the maintenance crew of the town and you can’t even get basic maintenance done in the most important parts of our infrastructure?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, right. The stuff that affects everybody.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s ridiculous, you know, and I’m so glad I wasn’t sitting there in a meeting. Otherwise, I would have probably had some choice words, but…
SPEAKER 09 :
Nope, good stuff. Mark, I’ll let you go take our last break. We’ll come back. I got a question that came in via the text line. I’ll get answered as soon as we come back about buying cars with previous hail damage. I’ll talk about that. Great question, by the way. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. All right, let me think about, or let me go through a couple more of these text messages, by the way. Did I see the Ford video where warranty was denied because Ford can see how many times a start button’s been pressed? Yes, I did, by the way. I did see that particular video. That’s out of whiteface Ford. I actually follow them on social media. And what people don’t understand, those of you that are in the tuning world, The manufacturers, in this case Ford, has the ability to, once you take the ECM out, for example, and reprogram it and put it back in, they know exactly how many times it’s being uploaded to them constantly, and or they can pull it out of the computer itself, one or the other, but they know how many times you hit the start-stop button. So let’s say the car’s got 40,000 miles on it, and it’s still under the factory warranty, especially on the emissions and all that kind of thing. But you did a reprogramming of the ECM and all of a sudden there’s a problem now. Even though you did a complete reprogram and it doesn’t necessarily show up that it’s been reprogrammed. So when the tech goes in to look at everything, it looks quote unquote stock and normal. They know how many key cycles quote unquote it’s had since that ECM got put in. And if it’s got 40,000 miles on it, it’s only had 100 cycles, yeah, that doesn’t correlate. Because at 40,000 miles, you’re going to have a lot more than 100, for example, key cycles. And yes, they can tell by that and by the mileage and on average how many key cycles does that take to get there, and they know. So in other words, it’s getting to the point in this day and age where it’s really hard to fool the factory on the upgrades you might do, especially on the software end of things.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, as far as I know, any software modification other than – Avoids a warranty. Yeah, from the factory. It just voids. Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Somebody also said you can’t trust any of the toilet dealers, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, okay. I’m not going to go down that path because I’m not going to mention that on air. But in that case, I can’t trust that dealer because of what they’re saying because they’re basically lying. Yeah. But really quick, back to the whole modifications. Okay. And I get this question quite often. If I put this on, does it void my warranty? If I do this, does it void the warranty? Now, there’s a lot of bolt-on pieces that, because of the Magnuson-Moss Act, can’t void the warranty. It may void a particular portion of the warranty. So we’ll go back to the cold air intakes Ken talked about earlier. And by the way, some of them are good, most are not. It’s one of those things where there’s a percentage that are, most aren’t.
SPEAKER 07 :
It looks really good, but it doesn’t function. Sounds different, but really not doing anything.
SPEAKER 09 :
Sort of like wetting your pants in a nice blue suit. It might feel good for you, but no one really notices. Okay. Anyways.
SPEAKER 07 :
Bad for everybody else.
SPEAKER 09 :
At the end of the day, it’s not a good thing. And that’s an example of they can’t void the warranty even on the engine or anything else when putting the cold air intake on unless they can prove that the cold air intake itself did the damage. So let’s say you put it on and you left something loose and it sucked dirt into the engine and that caused the engine to fail. Well, of course, now they’re not going to honor that warranty because of what I just said. But they can’t void it just point blank. They’ve got to prove that that’s what caused the problem. No, they’re not going to warranty anything on that part from that point forward because you changed it out from the factory.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. You took the mass airflow sensor off, you put on there, you did whatever, and it changed.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s one thing, too, you might even have in this particular case because you change the cold air intake end of things, if there’s a mass airflow sensor problem on down the road, they may not warranty that because they can come back and say, listen, you changed the airflow past the sensor. Unless you’ve done something to reprogram things properly like Gale Banks does, by the way, yeah, we’re not going to warranty that part either.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, or you put an oil-filtered filter on it, and it’s got buildup on it from that. It’s like, well, that wouldn’t happen with a cotton or whatever.
SPEAKER 09 :
And this is a deeper subject. Maybe next time Ken’s on with me, we can get into. But not all aftermarket parts are created equal. Let me give you one quick example in this last minute of the show. Rear differential covers that are finned aluminum. A lot of companies make them. In fact, there’s dozens of them on the market for all sorts of different applications. And you go watch a video by Gail Banks on this, by the way, and he even does an example of where he takes one of his covers that’s made out of clear plastic that they actually made so you can actually see the difference between his cover and somebody else’s. And the reality is most of the flat… back diff covers where it’s totally flat and there’s no internal dish made into the cover. They don’t circulate oil properly in the rear differential. His covers actually do, but not all of them are made that way. They might look like they do, But they’re not, and you’re actually creating air, and you’re adding heat and other things whereby you should have just left the stock cover on. You’d have been better off in the end.
SPEAKER 07 :
Starving the pinion bearings from oil, and you’re aerating the fluid more so.
SPEAKER 09 :
One example where, no, they’re not all created equal. All right, guys, we’ve got to get out of here. Ken, as always, I appreciate you. Give them your phone number real quick. It’s always good to be here. 303-364-3391. Larry Unger, thanks for answering phones. Charlie Grimes, your engineer. We’ll be back next week. You guys have a fabulous weekend. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 11 :
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