In this compelling episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush explores the complex interplay between entitlement and opportunity within the American socioeconomic landscape. With insightful commentary, he dissects the tangible consequences of widespread entitlement programs like WIC and food stamps on taxpayers and questions the narrative that these handouts are necessary for societal welfare. Through vivid anecdotes and fierce debate with co-hosts, John challenges the deeply-rooted belief that security should trump opportunity in economic policies. The conversation takes a critical turn as they scrutinize the behavioral dynamics of entitlement culture among younger generations. Listeners are prompted to reconsider
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All right, welcome. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Last hour, of course, we were talking to Jordan Goodman, and we really started off, and I probably got, I don’t know, I’m not going to apologize for anything. But, you know, I get pretty upset when we start talking about all of the giveaways. That’s what I figure they are. That’s what I call them. And a lot of you listening, I think, would agree with me when it comes to things like food stamps and WIC. and so on. And I get it. I understand they’re not one in the same. WIC is different than SNAP and so on. I get that. Bottom line, they’re handouts from me, the positive taxpayer, to those that are the negative taxpayer. And there was their net tax receivers at the end of the day. And yes, it irritates me when I see people, especially on social media. And then we had people that were texting in talking about how I’m in line next to somebody using their EBT card, and yet there’s a brand new iPhone 17 that’s in their hand. And you know, Don’t get me started on all that. A lot of these people have way more, in my opinion, than what they should have. And yet I, as a taxpayer, am funding their lifestyle. I don’t like that. I think it’s a slap in the face for those that are actually taxpayers. And I get it. Those people are going to say, well, you know what? You could be doing the same thing. No, I have pride. And no, I’m not going to do that because I’m not taking a handout from anyone, especially Uncle Sam. I’m doing it on my own. That was one of my number one goals as a kid even was I’m not taking a handout from him. I started buying my own clothes. when I was 13 years old. I’m not taking a handout from anybody if I’ve got the ability to work for myself and make it happen. And we’ve lost that, Andy. And you had a great example or a great word for this during the break that I want you to share because you’re a thousand percent correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. I want to talk about what is the most destructive word in the history of the United States. And it isn’t close. It is not Hitler. It’s not, I’m serious. It is not racism, which was horrible, right? And I could reel off several horrible words. I won’t go through them all, but you think about all the worst words of our past. No, the word entitlement is the worst word. It has destroyed America. And it started really with FDR. who put it into gear, LBJ, and then Obama. Okay, those were the three times that it really raced forward. And they have churned America into, we were the land of what, John?
SPEAKER 19 :
Opportunity.
SPEAKER 07 :
Opportunity. That is the opposite of entitlement. Okay, with opportunity, there is risk. With entitlement, there is security. And we have put security ahead of risk. I got news for you. Security doesn’t build jobs, John. Risk does.
SPEAKER 19 :
Saw it during COVID, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Security doesn’t advance us. Risk does.
SPEAKER 19 :
The reason I say we saw it during COVID is people literally gave up their freedoms for quote-unquote security. For a feeling of security. Yeah, thank you. It wasn’t really security, but they thought it might be.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, okay, let’s have everything spaced out six feet in these restaurants, so you’ve got to have half as many tables. Oh, well, they’re going to go out of business. Okay, we’ll just give them lots of free government money to take care of them through that time. There is no free government money. That comes from taxpayers. You’re putting us way into debt by doing this. We can’t afford this. And by the way, you have no science even proving that you need this. Okay, guys, risk.
SPEAKER 19 :
But it felt secure.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
It felt secure, Andy. Let’s close down churches. Let’s close down businesses. Let’s close down certain sections of the store, by the way, where you can’t go down this aisle. I mean, think about some of the stupid things we did, Andy, all for the name of, quote, unquote, security.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And so entitlement is destroying our country. There’s no question. Obviously, the worst things in our country. Well, even Jordan, even Jordan was saying, hey, Medicare was supposed to cost a billion. Give me a break. It’s 800. Right. OK. And it’s just like for crying out loud, folks. So entitlement right now, you’ve got an entire entitlement culture of young people. Now, I believe there are young people turning it around.
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
There are places where I’ll go out to eat and this young person will be phenomenal what they do in that one. But then I will see the entitlement culture. And then you’ve got these people who are at home getting WIC, getting this, getting that. Now, don’t get me wrong. There are cases, and these are the ones the Democrats will always roll out, where the floor falls out from under you in life. I get that. Okay, your factory closed, your company went under, you were wrongly treated at work, you were fired because you wouldn’t sleep with the boss, whatever. Okay, horrible things happen in life. I get that. But, John, I’ll bet you 95% of the people getting those entitlements aren’t that. Aren’t that.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, you’re right. They’re not, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re hooked on my money and your money.
SPEAKER 19 :
When I see videos, I was going to say this earlier, when I see videos of individuals, in this case women, talking about what a schmuck I am because all they have to do is have one more kid, five, six, seven, doesn’t make any difference, but all they have to do is have one more kid stay home, watch the kids, and basically I’m paying for them to do so.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
And they’re basically laughing, quote-unquote, all the way to the bank on my dime.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s irritating.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it’s very irritating. And this is why I look at these people who, they get angry at the existence of rich people, all right?
SPEAKER 19 :
And I’ve talked to a lot of young people, but… If it wasn’t for the rich people, they wouldn’t have what they have, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, they wouldn’t have jobs, okay? And I always look at young people and I say, guys… And I’ve had this discussion with so many young people. And after it, every one of them has a whole new appreciation. It goes like this. I say, guys, do you understand how much risk there is involved in creating a job? Oh, well, you know that. No, no. Do you understand? Let me explain this to you. Let’s say that you want to open a Subway. Okay. Yeah. And it’s a franchise. And so you work with sub whatever. Okay. You want to open that sandwich shop and you need some employees. Okay. And you decide, okay, I’m going to have this many employees. And let’s say that John, you, you do a great assessment of the area and you target a perfect spot where you get, you are going to corner the market. You’re going to be booming with business. OK, and so everything is going right. And you have let’s say you have eight to 10 employees and you’re rocking. Guess what? Other people are going to see that that area is rocking. It’s oversaturated. Before long, you are going to have two competitors in the area. Now you’re going to have this sandwich shop. You’re going to have that’s Jimmy John’s and so forth. And they’re going to be in the area. Why? Because for a short period of time, you are actually able. to create jobs and make a bunch of money. And now that’s been cut to a third. Okay. That market has been cut to a third overnight. That happens in a couple of years. And now what are you going to do? You are taking all that risk. Even if you do everything right, you are taking that much risk to create all 10 or 12 of those jobs. Okay. And here’s, and here’s what I look at them and say, guys, none of those 10 or 12 people took one ounce of risk. They just get the jobs. In fact, they’re going to go to your competitors where they can get a quarter more an hour. That’s what’s going to happen. And you say, let’s punish the rich. I’m telling you, it is not enough. You say they have more than they need. And here’s where I finish it. I say, you say they have more than they need. I got news for you. They need to have way, way, way, way more. then they need to endure that kind of risk.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. That’s right. That’s exactly right. No, and when I was a young person, still to this day in this way, if I see or if I’ve seen or saw, even today, see somebody that has done extremely well, they’re extremely wealthy and so on, first thing I think of, Andy, is good for them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 19 :
Second of all, it’s what can I learn from them? In other words, what can I gain from them that I can apply to my own life so I can be more like them? That’s how I’ve always looked at it. Not I deserve to have what they have or they shouldn’t have what they have. They should give it to me. No, no, no. I’ve always looked at it and thought, wow, A, that’s amazing. B, how did they get there? C, how can I learn to do what they did? Right. Why can’t we teach young people to do that same thing now?
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Because you can’t learn from those you resent.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we close with Andy saying, you cannot learn from those you resent. Great statement. Dave, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, just what it reminded me of is an old saying, and I’m not sure who it’s really attributed to, but I understood it was from Benjamin Franklin, who had a saying that said, when the people realize that they can vote themselves money from the Treasury, then the Republic is doomed.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I believe that was Franklin. Yeah, I think that was Franklin, and he’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, this is where we’ve gotten, and the thing is, that’s what made America great, was that, as you guys pointed out, opportunity. This was a wide-open land, and the… consensus was the feeling was back then at the founding go out there do what you can take the risk go out to the frontier fight fight whoever you got to fight to build your life and you can make it you’re gonna fail i have one quick statement i want to make before andy goes because he had a one-liner i have one marxism kills opportunity yes absolutely and right andy oh yeah we’re doing But when we do that, and I think it’s somewhere in scriptures, it destroys the spirit and the soul of man when you give them a fish and you don’t teach them to fish. They lose that will that God gave us to strive to achieve and to become successful in our own abilities. It’s the same thing as raising any other child. If you’re constantly carrying that child around or you don’t let them take risks, Well, then they’ll never grow as a human being that they should be. And that’s where I believe we’re at.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Dave, I want to pose a quick scenario to you. Let’s say you’re walking home after work and you make a mistake. You want a shortcut. You go down the wrong alley. And suddenly you are surrounded by five guys with knives. And they say, we want your wallet. And they say, look, there’s five of us. Why don’t you give us the wallet? How is that any different from the majority voting itself your money?
SPEAKER 19 :
No different.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s no different.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because instead of a knife, they hold government. That’s right. It’s no different. What is different? None.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. Nothing at all. I mean, it’s straight up extortion. Because the thing is, you’re not going to be able to get out of paying your taxes. Try it. See what happens to you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, you end up in jail.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you’ll end up in jail. There’s consequences to not going along with this extortion scheme that the government’s got going on. And so it destroys that ability. I mean, why is it that there’s so many people from around the world who are risking their lives to come to the United States? Because this is the – like Ronald Reagan said, that shining city upon the hill. That beacon of opportunity, that beacon of hope, this is humanity’s last great hope as America, in my opinion. And when we stifle that, when we destroy that, when we let it be destroyed from within by those leeches, because that’s what they are, then there is no hope for humanity.
SPEAKER 19 :
You’re right. You’re right. No, again, and Dave, I think, and this is where I believe the Democrats right now are extremely mistaken. Now, I do think there’s some in the party that understand this fully and they don’t like the direction things are headed, but the marching orders are coming from far above them. So they’re going to go ahead and just, Democrats do very well at taking the marching orders that are there and not questioning it. But I do believe there’s some of the party thinking this shutdown is going to kill us in the midterms if we keep going down this path. I do believe there’s some Democrats that understand that. And trust me, Dave, it will if it keeps going.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and the only silver lining I can see on that whole thing, if it continues, is that if it continues into next month, from what I’ve been reading, a certain portion of the law kicks in to where the president doesn’t have to rehire certain federal workers. They can do what they call a reduction and enforce a RIF, and he doesn’t have to go through all these processes to let them come back or to remove them. So if that continues, this might play right into the president’s hand of reducing the size of government and those NGOs that are leeching off the taxpayer for purposes that are cross or counter to what is in the best interest of the American people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and in the meantime, the Democrats have one big messaging problem, and that is that the Republicans have voted as one to keep things open. They have voted as one to keep all these payments going to people, and the Democrats haven’t. And that’s something that’s very hard for them to get around.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, and the thing is that that’s one thing that the Republicans are going to have to start hammering on more effectively, because we all know that because we’re paying attention. But I don’t think the average low-information voter out there is understanding that fact because that information is not getting out through NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN. It’s got to be pushed out there, and we’ve got to get those spokesmen out there to sell the truth.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yep, you’re right. Dave, I can’t argue that. You’re 100% correct. So I’ll let you go. Thank you for that. Texter just said, by the way, that knew somebody that rented through Section 8. Went over there. They had TiVo, free computer, free internet. Really got chapped that they were living higher on the hog using taxpayer dollars than I was living at. The mother kept popping out children with different fathers. I don’t know about the son, but the daughters became second-generation doltakers. Yeah, because they’re taught how to do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it absolutely becomes generational.
SPEAKER 19 :
It just keeps rolling.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. It has to stop, John.
SPEAKER 19 :
It goes back to the whole Marxism takes away, kills opportunity, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
What you just described is how $1 billion becomes $800 billion in the budget. Correct.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. You can’t have that continue. We have to get rid of entitlement. We have to replace it with opportunity. With opportunity comes risk. We have to get people to understand again that life has to have risk. Any kind of politician who says they want to legislate risk out of your life, they can only do that at great cost to others. John, let me ask you this. How do insurance companies make a profit?
SPEAKER 19 :
By not paying out more than they bring in.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. The only way is that people on average have to pay much more in.
SPEAKER 19 :
Less claims than policies paid.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. To cover the risk.
SPEAKER 19 :
Premiums is what I should say. Less claims than premiums.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. So what happens when a whole country does that?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, it goes upside down.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s where we’re at.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. That’s the problem. You can’t do it. You can’t run a country like that.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, unless your whole idea, and this is my belief, and this is exactly what’s been happening for the past 70 years or so, when you get a Marxist takeover that happens slowly but surely, one little bite at a time. You know how to eat an elephant, Andy? One bite at a time.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they started in education.
SPEAKER 19 :
And when they start an education, you start teaching people that there is no opportunity. The bad guys are the rich guys. It’s the big, bad, evil, rich guys, corporations, all of this. You put movies out. You get Hollywood on your side. I’ve said this before, but almost every single major Hollywood production, without just a few exceptions, the big, bad guy in business is the big, bad guy, Andy. It’s always the evil one, the guy in business, the guy that’s got the upper hand or the business that has the upper hand or they’re the polluters or they’re this or they’re that. Right. It’s always big, bad business people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, take it from a movie critic. Okay, for me, that is so threadbare. I am so tired of the evil corporation.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yep, and it’s been going on, Andy, for 50 plus years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and by the way, John, guess what? Rich people are evil and good. Right. Okay. They’re like, they’re like all other people. They’re like everybody else. And you say, they can’t possibly need that much. Understand this. They’re not living in a vacuum. Well, look at the life that they live, the life of luxury. Okay, describe it to me. Oh, my gosh, look at this mansion. Who made it? What workers made it? Look at these lawns. Who tends to them? Well, look at those cars. Who built those? Okay, look at this. Everything they do employs people.
SPEAKER 19 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
Everything.
SPEAKER 19 :
Including after the fact, because most of what you just talked about requires ongoing things that require additional monies being spent, meaning that it’s not even a one-time thing, Andy. It’s ongoing.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know.
SPEAKER 19 :
For those individuals.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And it’s like, guys, everything that you say is a luxury in their life is put out by people working.
SPEAKER 19 :
Some of these big homes that are for sale, by the way, the Tom Cruise estates in Telluride or whatever, where I think he just sold them recently. It wasn’t like $40 million or something he sold in, I want to say, Charlie, something like that. Anyways, it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, Andy, do you think that estate, when he’s not there, just sits empty?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it’s tended to.
SPEAKER 19 :
How many people do you think are employed there year round to make sure that thing is top notch so that when and if he shows up in his private jet, it’s ready to go?
SPEAKER 07 :
Lots. And these are good people. And by the way, who flies the private jet and who takes care of it? Who are the mechanics?
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. On down the line we go.
SPEAKER 07 :
I always look at these people and I say, let me ask you three quick questions. Number one, do you want your employer to be poorer?
SPEAKER 19 :
Um, I don’t, I’m not employed, but I wouldn’t Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Number two. Yeah. But I’m talking to the people who are whining about their employer.
SPEAKER 19 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 07 :
Number two, do you want your best customers to be poorer?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, you want them to be richer.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Number three, do you want all your best customers employers to be poorer?
SPEAKER 19 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, it affects you. It all affects you. Nobody lives in a vacuum. And, you know, look, I can tell you flat out, are there some rich people who got lucky with their money? Of course. Oh, yeah, there is. Absolutely. There’s luck in life. Sure. By the way, though, I don’t know any rich people who are getting tons of government dollars to them unless that they are leftists who get it through subsidies. OK, for the most part, or they’re cheating somehow or they’re cheating. But that’s usually people on the left. You know that. And it’s like, guys, number one, you don’t want your employer or your best customers or your best customers, employers to be poorer. So right there, that blows away your whole theory. And number two, the rich aren’t living in a vacuum. Everything that they have and do is benefiting you.
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, for all you Jew haters that are out there, why is it that this peace deal has happened and yet Hamas is still killing people inside of its own borders, Andy?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they kill a lot.
SPEAKER 19 :
I thought that was Israel doing all that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, now you’ve got to keep in mind, a lot of Hamas was wiped out by Israel, and as a result, there are people in Gaza who didn’t want Hamas. Remember, they were voted in, but that doesn’t mean by 100%.
SPEAKER 19 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so you’ve got people now who want to rise up and say, hey, this whole Riviera of the Middle East thing that Trump wants, we kind of like that idea.
SPEAKER 19 :
Get out. But now Hamas is fighting back against those individuals.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. They’ve got to kill them.
SPEAKER 19 :
Killing those.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
I thought they were the nice guys, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they are, of course. They’re great. I mean, they always help little old ladies across the street. This is all they do.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, gotcha.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. I don’t want to get into the Tucker and Candace thing.
SPEAKER 19 :
They’re knuckleheads.
SPEAKER 07 :
They hate Israel.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. Okay, they do. And Candace, really quick, well, I think Tucker’s a loon, too, but Candace is really up there on the top of the charts for being a loon.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think Candace flat out hates Jews. I think she goes deeper than Tucker. I think Tucker hates Israel.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I think Candace is very— She goes deeper. Yeah, but again, she’s cray-cray. She’s a loon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, he cloaks it better. But I want people— Good way of saying it.
SPEAKER 19 :
She’s more open.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I saw this one guy. Gosh, I think it’s Josh Hammer said this. I’m not sure. But I think he’s the one who said, Tucker, Candace is clumsy and easy to pick up.
SPEAKER 19 :
She’s younger. She’s just not as smart, let’s say it that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
She’s not. And he said, Tucker is the most dangerous anti-Semite in America. He said because he cloaks it so well. But anyway, this young student, I debate against a lot of the Tuckerites. Not too many of the Candace ones, cause they’re such loons, but
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s like trying to debate somebody that likes Alex Jones.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, exactly. I’m sorry. Well, it is. It’s very similar. It totally is.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. They’re both nut jobs.
SPEAKER 07 :
But here you’re going in, and this is from about a year ago, and so we’re right in the middle of Israel’s war in the Gaza. Okay. Okay. And you’ve got this student asks Ben Shapiro two different questions. This clip is just over five minutes. Folks, listen to every second. It is brilliant because this student says his questions are… advocating exactly what I hear from Tucker and Candace supporters. Here we go.
SPEAKER 12 :
As an American Jew, how can you continue to condone the actions of the Israeli government, condoned by the U.S. government, in the Gaza Strip, where over 40,000 people have died, including Palestinians and Israelis, and large numbers of children and civilians? How can you continue to condone those actions?
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, so, okay, hold on. I want to correct you. I don’t just condone the actions of the Israeli Defense Force and the Israeli government. I celebrate and laud them. I’m not morally apathetic about what’s happening. On October 7th, Hamas launched the most deadly war on Jews since the Holocaust. They killed 1,200 innocent people. They took 250 hostages. 100 of them are still being held hostage. I know members of families of hostages who are still being held, American citizens. Hamas could end this war today by surrendering. They’ve chosen not to surrender. Instead, they spent billions of dollars building terror tunnels below civilian areas. It is not incumbent on the Israeli government to surrender just because terrorists are evil enough to hide behind civilians. The Israeli government has gone through such extraordinary efforts not to kill civilians that it has managed the best civilian to terrorist kill ratio in the history of urban warfare, and it is not close. I personally know soldiers who have gone door to door in the Gaza Strip who have risked their own lives to prevent civilian death. Israel has complete and utter air superiority over the Gaza Strip. Turns out that Hamas doesn’t have an air force, they just had a series of tunnels where they hid all their leadership while their people suffered after their people voted for them, and then they effectively established a dictatorship over the course of the last 20 years. Israel, with their complete air superiority, certainly would have had the ability to commit full-scale human atrocities had they wanted to. They have complete air superiority. They could have used F-35s and simply turned the place into a parking lot. They did not, in fact, do that. They moved vast scales of population. In fact, believe it or not, there have been more births in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of this war than there have been deaths in the Gaza Strip from the war itself. That is a very poor way to conduct a genocide. Israel is being more meticulous in the conduct of this war than any army in human history, and certainly than the United States Army in its vast role in the history of urban combat. That is uncontested. What is Israel supposed to do? Simply say that you get to play tag, you take Israeli citizens, you kill 1,200 people, you hide behind a baby, you hide behind a civilian, and now Israel has to preemptively surrender? That is a great way to make sure that terrorists always win. What Israel has done ought to be celebrated by the Western world because they’ve demonstrated that if terrorists decide… To launch a war they cannot win. They will be eviscerated from the face of the earth as they ought to be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Do you not want a ceasefire now?
SPEAKER 18 :
I do not want a ceasefire until Hamas is destroyed and all the hostages are back. I want… And you know how that could happen? It could have happened October 6th. There was a ceasefire on October 6th. And then there wasn’t a ceasefire starting on October 7th. And there could have been a ceasefire again on October 8th, even after all of the death. If Hamas had surrendered its top leadership to international justice, if it had released all of its hostages, and if it had turned over its rulership of the Gaza Strip to some sort of decent body that wouldn’t have reinstalled terrorism at the top of the food chain. I mean, what exactly is the excuse for Hezbollah getting involved in the war? Hezbollah isn’t even in Israel. Hezbollah has nothing to do with Israeli territory, and they’ve been launching 8,000 rockets between October 7th and now. Now it’s more like 12,000 or 13,000 rockets, hundreds of them every week. What is the justification for that? There is only one way to defeat terrorism, and that is to win. You do not win wars with ceasefires. You do not win wars by losing.
SPEAKER 12 :
In your speech, you mentioned that there are scavengers who like to tear down and there are lions who like to build up. Are there not some institutions we ought to tear down in society, potentially like the Israeli Defense Force?
SPEAKER 18 :
I think it would be an act of the gravest evil to even make that contention simply because the Israeli Defense Force stands between seven and a half million Jews in Israel and complete slaughter. And by the way, over two million Arabs and complete slaughter who are citizens of the state of Israel. The only security and peace in the region right now is being guaranteed by the Israeli military. That is the only force standing between that region and continued chaos. The destruction of the IDF is the destruction of Israel. That means a genocide, a true genocide. The thing that everybody likes to ignore in the Middle East while they’re claiming genocide. and while they are claiming apartheid, is that there’s only one area in that specific area that is free of one ethnicity and religion, and it is quote unquote Palestine, which has zero Jews living in it. If you drive through the West Bank, there are giant red signs if you drive into the Palestinian Authority areas saying Jews are not allowed in here. And if you drive there, Without the permission of the Israeli government as a Jew, you will be killed. If you’re a Palestinian and you accidentally make your way into Israel, nothing will happen to you. You will go back to Nablus in the evening. If you make it through the checkpoint accidentally, you’ll go back. And if you’re a Jew and you accidentally drive into Ramallah, you will not emerge alive. If we are talking about which force here is a force for good and which force here is a force for evil, there is no question what the distinction is. If we’re going to talk about institutions that ought to be torn down, we should start with the legacy media, which seems to have radically misinformed you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, solid. Yeah, I mean… Solid. Yeah, it just blows my mind that you have these people and you listen to… I get tired of even saying their names, Tucker, whatever. But you listen to them and they bring on all these Israel haters. And then they say, oh, we’re just asking questions. We’re just asking questions. I’m just asking questions. Really? You’ve just interviewed like five or six of the biggest Israel haters ever. in America, and you call them foreign policy experts. And it’s like, for crying out loud, do you understand we’re talking about good versus evil? There was evil over there. There was good. And let me tell you something. This peace plan was not led at its heart actually by Donald Trump, even though I give him incredible credit. He’s amazing. He deserves an award. It was led by Bibi Netanyahu, who destroyed those, who reduced to rubble those who would threaten his people.
SPEAKER 19 :
Again, Andy, as I said, starting this particular segment off, this is for all the Jew haters that are out there. Yeah. And they listen. And I know some of you say, well, John, how do you know that? Folks, I don’t read some of these things from the text line on air purposely because I don’t want to give them any fodder or any acknowledgement. But Trust me. We’ve got folks that listen in, that text in, and even email in and talk about different things in regards to this. And I can read through the lines. They’re Jew haters. Yes. At the end of the day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Period. Here’s the bottom line, John. They believe in live and let jihad. Okay, I was saying this online. They believe in live and let jihad. They always have another excuse for why we can call both sides equally to blame, equally to blame. No, they’re not equally to blame. One side is savage, and the other side is trying to survive. And, oh, by the way, they’re outnumbered about a zillion to one in the Middle East. They’re a tiny little place. It is not equal. Okay, and they try to do that. They believe in live and let jihad. You know what live and let jihad produced? It produced October 7th. BB believes in destroy that enemy that is threatening my people. You know what that produced? October 8th, a few days ago.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s right. Exactly. All right. We’ll come right back. Let’s do this. Golden Eagle Financial, they’ve got a great interview. Al did, I should say, here recently. You can always hear Al, by the way, in his own program from 2 to 2.30 right here on KLZ Radio. And you can find Al online on our website, klzradio.com. And I think Charlie’s busy, so give me one second here, and we’ll get Al’s interview up and running, and then we’ll come right back right after that. So, again, you can find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 04 :
TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I’ve been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts, but what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think a savings account is important because all the financial gurus, including myself, agree you should have three to six months savings that you have ready liquid access to. But retirement planning is a bit more long-term and And it’s a bit more strategic. We want to take a look at the sum of money you’ll need way into the future. And we want to look at how that money can last by providing you income for as long as you live.
SPEAKER 04 :
What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven’t made that next step?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that’s a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody’s comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about the different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don’t put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it’s not that there’s good ones or bad ones. It’s there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that sounds excellent. How can folks get in touch with you for that meeting?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if I’m not there, it goes to voicemail, but I return my voicemails promptly. And we could have a conversation in the office. If you live a considerable distance away, we can have a long phone conversation or a Zoom call, whichever you would prefer.
SPEAKER 04 :
And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
SPEAKER 04 :
You bet.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right. We are back. And again, I’m a little behind here because I wanted to talk about this particular topic at the bottom of the hour. But we again, we got a little bit delayed talking about kind of recapping the first hour that we drug into the second hour. And I wanted to get something in on the whole Hamas peace agreement and what’s happening there. But really, at the bottom of the hour, I really wanted to talk about Victor Marx. Yeah. And we talked about this last Tuesday. But I want to get into this and we’ll spend a little bit more time on this in the last hour because there’s a lot of stuff on. all over social media in regards to Victor and his campaign and the launch of – and again, it’s – unfortunately, a lot of this is coming from not my side, but from the conservatives, from the right. And I use that term loosely because I wonder at times how conservative really are some of these knuckleheads that are spewing some of the nonsense that’s out there. And again, folks, before we get going – I want to make sure I’m crystal clear here. I’m not endorsing anyone. Nope. I never do. I don’t get behind any candidate. I don’t throw any weight around any particular candidate. Once somebody has an R next to their name after the primary is over and we know full well who’s going to be our gubernatorial candidate, then yes, of course, at that point, I’m endorsing that person because they have an R next to their name, Andy. Of course. And I’m not going to endorse a D or a Libertarian or anybody else that’s out there. I’m going to endorse the Republican candidate at that point in time.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. Let me ask you a question, John, because, you know, there are a bunch of candidates right now.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right now there’s, is it 18, I want to say, or is it almost 20 now?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And even with the right word lunge of the country right now, Colorado is now somewhat in play. But on the generic ballot.
SPEAKER 19 :
A little bit, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, on the generic ballot right now, Republicans are still, for governor, running 12 points behind the Democrats. It’s not that close, okay? This is still a very tough place to win. And so here’s my question. Can a Republican even compete in this state if that person, he or she, does not have… My goodness, a presence, a personality, something. What I mean is they have to be special. They have to be somebody. Let me put it this way. They have to be somebody almost universally admired.
SPEAKER 19 :
I can’t argue that. No, can’t argue that, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s true. It can’t just be a skillful Republican politician. No, it can’t be somebody. I hate to say this because I’m on the hard right. It can’t be. No, it cannot be John Rush or Andy. No, we’re too far.
SPEAKER 19 :
We’re too far for the majority of people that are in the middle.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. It’s got to be somebody who is compelling.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I say that, by the way, with all kindness. Oh, yeah. I’m saying that as, A, being kind but strategic at the same time. And please, folks – and I’ve interviewed several different people that are running right now. And the ones that I’ve interviewed, if you guys are listening, love you both. I interviewed Scott Bottoms and – And Mark Baisley, both. And love you guys. And you’re hard. Your heart’s in the right place. And nothing against either one of you. And love you both dearly. And if I could, by the way, combine both of you together and create a candidate out of that, I think we’d have a pretty top-notch candidate. The only problem, Scott, I’m going to speak to you directly, that I have and where I think you’re really going to struggle is you’re too much like me. And I mean that in all sincerity. Scott is very much like you and I, Andy, in his belief system and what he thinks and so on. And I love him for that. But the reality is that’s going to be hard to be elected. That’s hard to get elected having that mindset in Colorado.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, the bottom line is Scott probably out of all the major candidates on our side, there are some minor ones. But on the major ones, and he’s one of them. he would have the least pull outside our base.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, the least amount of traction, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Well, our base is only going to pull you 20%, 25%. Correct. Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
At most.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And so I’m sorry that doesn’t do it. Look, what I’m saying is this. Whoever we put up in this, we’re still down 12 points here in the generic. That person must be incredibly compelling and inspirational, right? And now when I look at Victor Marks, I’m going to talk about him for just a second. We have not vetted this guy. There could be plenty come out and I could say, nope, not a chance, whatever. Okay. This is early, early. And I can’t wait for him to go into some tough interviews and debates.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. So I’m way light years from indoor. Well, I never endorsed him.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, we don’t.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
We don’t.
SPEAKER 07 :
But right now, do you see anybody else? in this race who is of the compelling, inspirational nature who could break through in Colorado.
SPEAKER 19 :
And please, folks, listen to me when I say this. No, and I’m not sure Victor can either. And I’m saying that for all of you, Victor. supporters that are out there I’m being as kind as I can across the board I’ll be honest with you when it comes to the Victor end of things I don’t know yet I really haven’t heard him to Andy’s point I’ve heard him speak to some listeners or sorry some some followers of his some supporters and so on but I haven’t seen him really out in the crowd You know, kissing babies and really talking to those that are on the street that are middle of the road, those voters that he’s going to have to have on his side. I haven’t seen that yet. Doesn’t mean that he won’t do well. And I don’t know him personally. So this is me just talking on a outsider looking in viewpoint because I don’t know him on any kind of a personal level. I don’t know if he’s even that guy, Andy. Right. I can’t answer that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and looking at some of these others, like Greg Lopez. Do I think he’s a bad candidate? No. Who’s the guy you just mentioned?
SPEAKER 19 :
Mark Baisley.
SPEAKER 07 :
Mark Baisley.
SPEAKER 19 :
Great guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Love Mark. I think Mark is probably as solid across the board as they come.
SPEAKER 19 :
And of all of them, I know Mark the best.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah. And very good. Yeah. Solid guy. Now, do I look at… Let’s just use those two as an example. Scott’s a different animal because he’s going to really pull the hard right.
SPEAKER 19 :
He’s too much like you and me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah. But if you look at Mark and Greg, okay, are they bad candidates? No, they’re very good candidates. Do I like them both? Yes, I like them both a lot. Do I believe either one of them can win in a state where we’re down 12 in the generic ballot? Do I feel either one of them is compelling enough to the general voter outside our base in Colorado to win here? I’m sorry, and this is going to sound mean, but no, I don’t.
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree. I agree, Andy. I’m not disagreeing with you at all. And like I said a moment ago, I’m not even sure Victor’s that guy yet. I’m not either. I will tell you as time goes by and we get a couple of months in and again, folks, lots of time. Some of you are like, well, I think he just threw his hat in the ring because it was Charlie Kirk and somebody set him up and and all the big money came in. By the way, you guys say that you’re dumb. You guys are morons. You have no idea what you’re even talking about. You’re just throwing things out there, hoping it sticks. And at the end of the day, you don’t have the foggiest idea what you’re talking about.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they don’t. They don’t. You know, and let’s look at the other side of the party, Barb Kirkmeyer. Okay, Barb.
SPEAKER 19 :
I already talked about her last week, so I won’t say anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, bottom line is very simple. Barb will be the people in our party who don’t support Barb. They’re the rhino watchers.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And they’re wrong, by the way. Okay, but here’s the problem with the rhino watchers, okay? If you want to look at what you would quote-unquote call the establishment, I think it’s terrible. Eli Bremmer is right. It’s a terribly misused term. Nowadays, the establishment is the rhino watchers.
SPEAKER 19 :
Is the rhino watchers.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
They’re the establishment.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, but let’s, because I don’t know what else to call them. The moderates, whatever you want to call them, okay? The ones who used to be the establishment.
SPEAKER 19 :
That no longer are.
SPEAKER 07 :
That no longer are. Whatever. Okay? Because I don’t call them leftists because Barb is not a leftist.
SPEAKER 19 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
But what I mean is the old establishment. That group, say what you want about them, they’re loyal to the Republican Party. They will vote for the Republican ticket almost 100% of the time.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
The rhino watchers have no loyalty. They won’t.
SPEAKER 19 :
There’s no loyalty at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
No loyalty to the Republican Party.
SPEAKER 19 :
They will withhold their vote. Really quick, what you just said, they’re opposite of loyal. They’re destructive.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are destructive.
SPEAKER 19 :
These are destructive individuals, and they don’t care what they destroy.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they don’t.
SPEAKER 19 :
Doesn’t matter. Meaning, by the way, meaning, and I’ll say this all day long, they’re not Republicans.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. They’re not.
SPEAKER 19 :
Folks, I don’t know, by the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re running our party right now.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t know, RhinoWatch, really quick, and I know a lot of you guys listen, I don’t even know what to call you because you’re not Republicans. So I’m not even going to call you Republicans in name only because you’re not even that. I don’t know what you are. I don’t know what label to even put on you other than you’re so destructive that you’ll blow your own house up if you have to because you don’t care. Right. You’re one of those that will cut off your nose to spite your face. You don’t care at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they sell rage, and they believe that that equates to Trump. And it’s just like, you guys don’t seem to understand Trump.
SPEAKER 19 :
Trump’s methodical, folks. He’s not a rage baiter. He’s not into that end of things. Does he use rage from all of you at times to his advantage? Absolutely he does. He’s very keen when it comes to that, but he doesn’t use it himself.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, he’s having fun with it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. It’s the opposite of you guys.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, he trolls. You guys rage. Oh, absolutely. You lash out. To the max. Trump trolls. Rhino Watch rages out. And here’s what I mean. The Rhino Watch part of the party, as I said, right now, they control over half of the state central committee for the Republican Party. They are the powerhouse. magnet right now for the republican party because of the caucus system that they can overrun right okay they have taken advantage of the caucus system and seized control anyway setting that aside here’s the problem kirkmeyer has they’ll stay home which means she has to reach even more voters outside our base She can’t do it. I don’t think there’s any way.
SPEAKER 19 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I got nothing against Barb. I think she would make a fine candidate.
SPEAKER 19 :
And frankly, as much as I love Mark Baisley, he sort of fits into that with the Rhino Watch folks as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, they hate him too. I don’t understand why.
SPEAKER 19 :
They don’t particularly care for him.
SPEAKER 07 :
Mark is.
SPEAKER 19 :
Because Mark’s a great guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but he’s to the right of Barb.
SPEAKER 19 :
But he’s not as far right as Scott is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, no, no.
SPEAKER 19 :
And Scott’s where they’re going to throw their hat in the ring for.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that’s hopeless.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 07 :
But Scott is not going to win the primary.
SPEAKER 19 :
And again, I like Scott. I like Mark. I like Barb. I mean, I like all of them. Yeah, I like them all. The problem is, to Andy’s point, and I don’t even know if this is victory yet, we need somebody that’s hugely dynamic, that can attract all sorts of people from all sorts of walk of life, if you’re going to have any chance at all of beating Michael Bennett. He’ll be the primary winner on the Democrat side, I’m pretty confident in.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And this is going—yeah, I think it’s going to be better.
SPEAKER 19 :
It won’t be our— Our agent. Yeah, it won’t be Phil Weiser. It’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t think it’ll be Weiser. I think Weiser’s the only competition.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and the reason it won’t be Phil Weiser is because, frankly, even in the Democrat Party, he comes off as too much of a snake. Yeah, he does. He really does. He comes off as a very inexperienced snake.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Because he is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
At the end of the day, he is.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, Victor Marks is the one everybody’s talking about. In the polling that’s been done, what’s his name? I’m forgetting him. He’s the lawyer. He hasn’t even gotten in the race yet. He ran for AG.
SPEAKER 19 :
Kaplis?
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 19 :
No. Who then?
SPEAKER 07 :
Ah, doggone it.
SPEAKER 19 :
What can I think of his name? The Aurora Theater Killing Heat. Oh, Brockner?
SPEAKER 07 :
Brockler.
SPEAKER 19 :
Or Brockler. Brockler.
SPEAKER 07 :
George Brockler is the only one in the Republican Party who polls to where he could possibly win. Wow.
SPEAKER 19 :
Wow. And George, I mean this in all sincerity, you do a lot of things I don’t agree with, so that would be a tough one for me.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know he does. Red flag laws.
SPEAKER 19 :
A lot of things, George, you’ve done. For me, that’s the biggie. Yeah, you and I are in just a lot of disagreement on certain things that I would struggle with.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, but John, you and I are in a lot of disagreement with most Colorado voters.
SPEAKER 19 :
I know. I know. I understand that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Anyway, just saying.
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we’re going to wrap up this hour. Ben from Evergreen will join us here at the top of next hour. So, Ben, hang tight. We’ll get you on. And again, a lot more to talk about, folks. And again, I just want to make sure I’m crystal clear. I don’t endorse or push anybody. I try to be as explanatory and quote-unquote neutral with all of this as I possibly can. I’m not behind any policy. One individual. I think each one needs to run their own campaign. There will be a lot of things that happens between now and the primary, which is June-ish, I want to say, right? End of June, Andy? Yep, late June. So there will be a lot of things that will happen between now and then. A lot of names will most likely drop out. And, you know, frankly, you might even see another new name or two added in. You never know. Ben, hang tight. We’ll come right back and talk to you. Myself, Andy Pate. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Bye.
SPEAKER 14 :
Rich guy.
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