Join Andy Pate and guests as they delve into Disney’s current struggles at the box office, analyzing why films like Tron Ares are falling short of success. The episode humorously criticizes common patterns in Disney’s recent movies and provides a satirical preview of potential future releases.
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It’s finally Friday on Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush.
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I think that you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do.
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What I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
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What do you want to do tonight?
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The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. Stick a fork in me, Jerry.
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I’m done.
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Now, here is your host of Rush to Reason, John Rush.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice.
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And I am your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush. Fear not, John will be back tomorrow and on Monday as well. But in the meantime, I am joined by my two manly men who are more manly than I. And they are Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. How are you, gentlemen? I’m doing great. How are you? I’m doing well. You feeling manly, Tanner? Okay, he had things bottled. That’s okay. Back to Luke. Luke, you feeling manly? I’m always feeling manly.
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There you go. I woke up this morning and ate a breakfast of nails and charcoal and split wood all the way on my drive to work just for the joy.
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That is totally normal for me. And in the next room, Charlie is literally beating his chest like a great ape.
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It’s true. You should see it. There’s a reason we have a double-paned glass barrier between us.
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Well, we’ve got to be safe. Right. Because we’re manly. We’re not that manly. No. Okay. Guys, do you remember when I said Disney needs to win back young men? I do remember that, yes. We talked about this about a month ago. Newsflash, they’re not doing it.
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Right.
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Now, I know this is a big shock to you.
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You’re telling me they didn’t take our incredible advice?
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No. And in a nutshell, what was your advice again? Go ahead.
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Just make good movies and don’t push an agenda.
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And Tanner?
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Don’t put gay stuff in there.
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And for me, how about not having every man under the heel of every woman in the movie? How about leveling it out again, having people be people again? They can’t do that. Anyway, the reason to bring it up, it looks like Tron Ares, their latest output, is going to lose somewhere in the neighborhood of $150 million.
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For what, this new year? The new Tron movie. Oh.
SPEAKER 12 :
The new Tron movie.
SPEAKER 09 :
Really?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, Tron Ares. Now, just so you know, they say that it costs a little over $180 million. That means when the real numbers come out, it’ll be at least two. And marketing was close to $100 million. That means it costs them about $300 million to put out Tron Ares. And you’re thinking, okay, Andy, why is this going to lose $150 million? Here’s why. That means that they’ve got to make, at the global box office, about $600 million. Why? Because they only keep about half of the ticket price, right? You’ve got taxes. You’ve got the amount that goes to the theaters. You know how that goes. And they’re not doing it. This puppy in domestic did a $34 million.
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Yeah.
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And it’s going to drop about 60% week by week after that. Do you see where I’m going with this?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes.
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Okay, $150 million. I might be kind there in how much they’re going to lose. And just so you know, Disney now has lost money on every single major movie they’ve put out except one, Lilo and Stitch. That was it. And that only made money off kids wanting to go see their old characters that they loved before.
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Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right? a remake they’re in trouble does that sound fair yes yeah yeah yeah and and and what they’re doing again and again is girl boss girl boss uh tron air is once again who was in charge of the the good one in charge of the company a girl boss who was in charge of the bad company a white guy i mean it’s just it’s the same thing over and over they’re doing it they’re going down the bad road so i want to talk about two things first of all what i think as you know they own star wars
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Unfortunately.
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Yeah, what’s the next big movie they got?
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The Mandalorian and Grogu.
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Grogu, a little puppet.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. That’s cute. They have Pedro Pascal. Can I not see him in a movie? Guys in every freaking movie out there, every big movie that comes out, he’s in.
SPEAKER 12 :
I can’t stand him. And there you go. He was in Fantastic Four First Steps, which I’m going to say again, not that bad of a movie, guys. It wasn’t that bad of a movie, but he killed it. By what did he do? He savaged Trump in the weeks leading up to it. Just hammered Trump, hammered MAGA, hammered all this. And it’s like, dude, newsflash. I’m not saying this because you’re hammering my side. Don’t hammer any side. OK, you’re trying to sell your movie to all sides.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
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And he killed it. So he killed Fantastic Four, lost, I think, what was it, around 80 to 100? Gosh. I mean, just an insane amount of money it lost, okay? And they’re losing this kind of money. Can you two here at KLZ make decisions? every day that lose this company a ton of money.
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Yes.
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Yes. I just don’t. We don’t.
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Yeah, I don’t think you’ll be employed long. I want to talk a little about, I’m going to say what I think is going to be the next Star Wars film and then what I think it should be. Here we go. Disney’s next Star Wars film, it’s very simple. It’s going to be called Yodette. A gender-confused Yoda embarks on a journey of self-discovery. What do you think, Tanner?
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Yoda’s son turns female and becomes the Empire’s Emperor.
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There you go. Luke, are you up for it? Oh, no. You’re going to go three or four times, aren’t you? Oh, no. Take the girlfriend to it, kind of bond. Okay. Now, guys, I’m going to give my idea of what the next one should be. Are you ready?
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Yes.
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Mega, make the Empire great again.
SPEAKER 09 :
I would love that.
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All right. That would be so good. Here we go. Here we go. After purging all wokeness from the Imperial Stormtroopers, Pete Hegseth overruns the chubby rebel forces with his fat-free, totally ripped battalions. A group of Jedi Knights plot revenge, gathering on a rebel moon and raising their mighty lightsabers in defiance. But in response, Hegseth calmly nukes the entire site from orbit with his fully functioning Death Star, then distributes red mega caps to his derpers, and finally hosts a kegger with dancing girls and country music. In minutes, the rebellion is crushed. The end. The whole thing is about ten minutes. What do you think? think i’m in hell would you would you see this over and over i’m gonna lose it i’m gonna lose my mind yeah look i tried i honestly i’m taking the advice you guys just took you gave me about a month ago how to turn it around so i designed a movie that i felt would make you really happy
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It made me feel something, that’s for sure. Oh, good, good. There was an emotion.
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There was an emotion, yes.
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Can Dennis Quaid be Han Solo, please?
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Yes, he can.
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Perfect. Can Tanner be Yoda?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, not Yodette. No.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t think that’s going to work out. He’s had his days. Pretty sharp razor.
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Yeah.
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Guys, Disney’s falling apart. Our advice to Disney is please, please, please, please, please remember half the human race. Okay? Bring back the male half. Guess what? Here’s the good news. You don’t have to get rid of the female half. Right. Treat them equally. We’ll all have fun. We’ll all buy tickets together. Sound good? Sounds good. Okay, let’s take a break. When we come back, we’re going to be looking at Good Fortune. It’s my next movie review. We’ve got three movie reviews today.
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Wow.
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Triple header.
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Okay.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. Man.
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And Luke Cashman.
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And Luke!
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Yes.
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Buddy, personal question. I’m kind of probing here. I’m getting a little, you know, under the surface.
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Are you ready for a movie? I am ready for a movie, Andy.
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Oh, you’re so ready. Okay, here we go. See, Tanner, that’s how a man does it.
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Sorry.
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We’re going to be listening to you very closely in the next segment. All right. Two lives get switched by an angel in Good Fortune.
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My name is Gabriel. I’m an angel. I’m here to save you. What? Who are you? I’m an angel. See the wings? I know all about you. I know you lost your job. I know you’re living in your car.
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I did everything I was supposed to do and nothing’s working out.
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I’m not really supposed to be doing this. I’m normally only in charge of saving people from texting and driving.
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Wait, you’re telling me I have a budget guardian angel? Kinda. My life is just in the service of people like Jeff. Arge. I’m Jeff, a pledge. The people who actually get to live.
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Fix my cold plunge. Get a disco floor for my party and find a shaman to take me on an ayahuasca journey.
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Maybe I can show you that that life is not all it’s cracked up to be. You wanted to have wealth and success?
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Now look at you.
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Jeff’s life is now your life. What happened to Jeff?
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Is there any update on the huevos rancheros for Alex?
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He has your life.
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Gabriel, why did you do this?
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I tried to show him that wealth wouldn’t solve all his problems.
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And?
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It seems to have solved most of his problems.
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You gotta switch back, man. So what, I just go back to living in my car? You lived in your car? Yes, Jeff, I did. Why do you think an angel got involved? Because I had too many roommates? Why don’t you go tough it out for a few days?
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You think because I’m a tech bro, I can’t live your life for a little while? I came from nothing. I’m self-made. What did your parents do? My father was an orthopedic surgeon. This is too hard. How do people do this without just being miserable and angry all the time?
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You’re up here in this huge house. I’m fighting just to get by. They’ll never believe me, bud. I’ve been there.
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Give me God. I want a meeting with God. God! It’s Jeff! Luke, what do you think?
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I think it sounds kind of all right.
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I think it has potential. Okay, let’s take a look at it. Keanu Reeves. We all like him, don’t we? I do love Keanu Reeves. Yeah, he’s great. He stars as Gabriel, a lower-level angel whose only job is keeping people from texting while they drive. That’s a good job. Yeah. Okay. It’s noble work, but he wants more, and he wants bigger wings. Aziz Ansari, who also wrote and directed this, by the way, he plays Arj. He has a crush on a girl, but he’s also ashamed of his severe, terrible financial state, and he can’t bring himself to ask her out. He’s a frustrated gig worker. He’s balancing several jobs, living out of his car. He’s a miserable guy. Enter Jeff. He’s played by Seth Rogen, a super-rich venture capitalist. Do you like Seth Rogen?
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Sometimes.
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I don’t like his politics, but he used to be a lot funnier.
SPEAKER 09 :
He did. Yeah, he’s kind of gotten… Mid-2000s was better.
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Yeah, let’s see if he comes back. Okay, he’s a super rich venture capitalist, as I just said. Arj does some work for Jeff and even gets a job as Jeff’s assistant. But things go wrong, and Arj is let go. Well, Gabriel sees this, and he can’t handle the unfairness of it all. He has already appeared to Arj, showing him how his life will improve, sort of, if he stays alive, because Arj, let’s face it, he was ready to kill himself. He couldn’t take it anymore. It’s a funny take on It’s a Wonderful Life. Now, well, actually, on Trading Places in a moment, now Gabriel wants to teach Arj an important lesson about wealth not fixing our lives, so he switches Arj, his life with Jeff, and switches them. Well, the problem is wealth does make life a lot easier. And that’s true, isn’t it? You know, I kind of like the fact that they give an honest take on that, because let’s face it, wealth does make life a lot easier. Is that fair?
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Yeah, yeah, I would say so.
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Yeah, I think so, too. Well, Arj, he’s as happy as can be, while Jeff is quickly falling apart. Jeff thought he could just remake himself. But in the real world, guess what? You can’t do that. Okay, well, but I’ve got all these tech skills. Yeah, but nobody cares because you’ve got no track record. You have nothing. And they’re looking at you saying you have tech skills. How can you prove it? It’s a really tough gig. Well, meanwhile, Gabriel is severely demoted. So he drowns his sorrows in worldly devices. Once again, that’s Keanu Reeves. No, not sex, but just things like drinking, smoking. He falls apart. And he and Jeff, they got to move in together and try to survive. His boss angel, played by Sandra Oh, she’s not much help either. So he’s miserable. So now two of them are miserable. And Arj is the only one living the high life and having a good time. So maybe money is the answer? Well, we find out in Good Fortune. What do you think, Luke?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think it has a lot of potential. The trailer didn’t do it too much justice. Your description sounds very compelling.
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Okay, well, let’s take a look. What works in Good Fortune? First of all, the three main characters are naturally funny actors. They are. Reeves, he brings some of that Bill and Ted feel to Gabriel, though more subdued and shy. I liked it. Ansari is a perfect fit for Arj. Naturally, he wrote it, so he wrote it for himself. But he’s a perfect fit. He just delivers it well. And Seth Rogen, let’s face it, this guy loves skewering the rich, so he has a ball skewering the rich and making them look as bad as possible. The scene where Gabriel shows Arj his future is genuinely funny. It’s a good, funny scene. I would watch that again. Next, there was a noticeably liberal group in part of the audience giggling with delight throughout the movie, so it did thrill them. Okay, this does have an audience. Next, while the message is heavy-handed, there’s a good lesson in treating workers well. I like this. Tipping well is a big theme. It’s a welcome one from Hollywood. You hear a lot of stories, by the way, about Hollywood actors who don’t tip well.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah. And now some of them are huge tippers, but there’s a huge disparity.
SPEAKER 08 :
There’s a big divide, yeah.
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There really is, and this is good. And how well do we treat those restaurant servers, delivery drivers, and other workers trying to get by in life? How well do we treat them? Too often, not well enough. And I think that’s a good message from the movie.
SPEAKER 08 :
I like that. I think that’s a very nice message. It’s very kind.
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And I totally agree with it. Next. Pretty good feelings toward the end. Ansari can be uplifting when he wants to be. And getting back really quick here to the heavy-handed message, you know, that’s really not left or right wing when you get down to it because most of the people who I know who are terrible tippers were left wing on average. However, I have seen people who look down on and mistreat workers who are left wing and right wing, and it seems totally even. I’ve seen it go both ways, haven’t you? Yeah. Yeah. You’ve been out there. I mean, Tanner? Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, it seems to go both ways.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think it does, and I think it’s a lesson that can be learned across the board.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
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Yeah, okay. Well, what doesn’t work in good fortune? You know what’s coming. First of all, it is so preachy. I mean, heavy-handed is not the word. An endless sermon on the virtues of socialism and evils of capitalism. This was an ad for Zoran Mamdani. It really was. The whole movie was. Rogan, he practically advocates violent revolt by the masses at the end. It’s really something. Also, this is an ad for labor unions. And, of course, the white guy angel is pathetic. I mean, the whole way through, it is just woke and it is just mean, terribly mean. This was so over the top. And it’s just like, you know, guys, you could have shown a little bit of each side and actually had more fun with it, done a little more South Park. and a little less preaching. Just saying. Okay, next. Terribly edited. With whole scenes dragging on and on. Awful pace through the middle. Really awful.
SPEAKER 08 :
Unfortunate.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep, it should have cut out a third of the film. The scenes with the angels are outright boring. And you would have thought, man, that’d be really fun, right? Because they’re looking down on us, and you could, you know, you could do a lot with that. They don’t. A lot of the, you’ve got these three terrific actors who are very funny leading the way. Honestly, they didn’t have many funny lines. They were like being put in funny situations that were supposed to be funny and then they weren’t that funny. It was a big letdown. I was very disappointed in that. Not nearly enough humor for a comedy. I think that’s the bottom line of this. I was bored out of my skull. It’s not because, gee, I’m a right winger and this was a left wing movie. No, no, no. Give me some great jokes. I’ll laugh. I don’t care. But they weren’t. It just wasn’t very funny. And the audience, which I could tell was pretty strongly left-wing, outside of this little, I think, Mamdani group, nobody was laughing. People were just, like, yawning and wanting out of there. The preaching, I think, limits the gags.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 12 :
And once again, I think that can go both ways. If you do a right-wing preachy movie, you can limit the gags. If you do a left-wing preachy movie, you can limit the gags. The only time I’ve seen that not happen was Team America, which was right-wing preachy, and they didn’t limit anything. All right, there you go. Okay, Rotten Tomatoes, for whatever reason, gave this 79%. And for the life of me, all I can say is this, folks, this is why I break it down between quality, political, and moral-religious. They don’t. So they put in their political and moral religious feelings into their final review. And what if you don’t see life the way they do? Remember, reviewers are about 95 or more percent left wing. It’s probably more like 98, okay? So they gave it 79. Take the politics out of it for a moment. It’s just not that good of a movie. It’s boring. It’s slow. It’s not well written. It’s not well directed. You’ve got three funny actors who you don’t give nearly enough to do. It wasn’t good. It was not a good movie. Quality, I’m giving it one and a half stars. And that is without even talking politics. Politics, political score, obviously zero. Literally zero out of five stars. It was so blatant and over the top and also just beating you over the head with it. It got old. More religious, I’m giving it three stars. I thought it was fine. I didn’t see anything wrong, moral, religiously. I mean, you know, you got some dancing girls and whatever. He’s living the high life and partying. Everything that goes perfectly well with the genre. There was nothing forced in there. I thought it was fine. Do I recommend going to Good Fortune? No, I don’t. And here’s the thing. Unless you’re a hard liberal who simply wants to see the American system beat up, you’re not going to enjoy this movie. I’m sorry. Anybody in the middle is going to be bored. Anybody on the right is going to be mad. It’s not worth your time. You will not find good fortune at good fortune. Sound good?
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
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What’s up?
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We’re going to test you. Are you ready for a movie? I’m ready for a movie. Well done, sir. Okay, can a teenager stand up to a true fascist regime? You know, today everybody calls everything fascist if they don’t like it. I mean, I don’t like that Burger King. They’re fascist. I don’t like Trump. He’s fascist. I don’t like Pelosi. She’s fascist. Everybody’s fascist, right? Well, what if you had to stand up to a true fascist regime? Let’s see in Truth and Treason.
SPEAKER 06 :
Germany. The country of terror and tyranny. There it is. Jew. You know it, but are afraid to talk about it. Do not let your free will be taken away. Can you keep a secret? We can stop here, though. Not with guns, but with the truth. I’m in. All of us can change things. So, where to tonight?
SPEAKER 15 :
Goodbye, Helmut. See you tomorrow.
SPEAKER 06 :
See you. Who was that? Just a colleague.
SPEAKER 18 :
Careful. You never know who’s watching.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look what I found. They need you to tell me their names. You know what happens if they catch you. We won’t get the call. It’s devastating, isn’t it? So committed to a cause only to hurt those you love the most. Truth will prevail. This is treason.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is your life we’re talking about. I’m not afraid to die. Hitler knows that we are beginning to see through him.
SPEAKER 12 :
Do you really believe the words of a 16 year old boy could sway the German people?
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 12 :
What do you think, Tanner?
SPEAKER 09 :
It sounds and looks pretty decent.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, let’s dive in. Ewan Horrocks, he stars as Helmut Huberner. Okay, he’s a German teen during the reign of Hitler. At 16, Helmut is actually a member of the Hitler Youth. And by the way, once again, this is a true story, folks. He’s devoted to Germany, and he sees Hitler’s leadership as unifying and positive. Helmut has three friends, Carl, Rudy, and Solomon. They ride bikes, challenge each other to dive off a bridge into a river. Teen stuff. You know, can you do it? Can you do it? None of them even thinks that much about politics. But Helmut has a gift. He’s a writer and hence a thinker. When his brother gets a shortwave radio, which back then that was big time tech. OK, he gets a shortwave radio. Helmut is exposed to outside broadcasts beyond Nazi propaganda. Well, this starts waking him up. And so he goes to his church, because they’re all regular churchgoers, goes to his church for guidance. But his bishop, played by Daniel Betz, is loyal to Hitler and even preaches such loyalty from the pulpit. That was common. By the way, that was very common. Then the worst happens. Turns out Solomon has some Jewish ancestry. So he’s barred from church and taken away with his family. Now Helmut can take no more. Using his writing ability, Helmut starts writing anti-Nazi leaflets. He starts putting them out. With the help of Karl and Rudi, they actually stuff them in mailboxes and plaster them in public places all over the area. Enter Gestapo officer Erwin Mussiner. He’s played by Rupert Evans, who, by the way, is a good actor. I’ve always liked him. He’s highly intelligent and thoughtful. So he starts piecing together the evidence. There are writing fingerprints in the typewriter. For instance, every typewriter back then, the T might stray a little bit or the S might be a little too sharp or whatever. And he looks at that and he starts to zero in on who is doing this writing. I actually enjoy that. I mean… I know I’m watching a Nazi do that, but as you guys know, I used to catch thieves. I used to run the numbers and zero in on the thief. I actually understood how he felt zeroing in on his target. It was rather fascinating. Well, the noose tightens, tension rises, and Helmut realizes youthful exuberance. It isn’t enough in the face of massive evil. Millions are being brainwashed around him. Sacrifices, real ones, must be made. Ultimately, this is more than just a Germany was evil movie. It’s about facing reality as a teenager. What do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. Well, what works in Truth and Treason? First of all, there is some very, very good acting from Ewan Horrocks and Rupert Evans. It’s subtle. It’s powerful. It’s not this over-the-top, let’s talk about Nazis kind of stuff. It’s very, very… controlled within the circumstance does that make sense in other words you can believe it and i like that in fact pretty much everyone did a really good job also the pace and the tension are built solidly throughout i like that we also see how evil gains acceptance at every level of society which is a terrifying thing just a terrifying thing but you know what think about wokeness What we watched evolve over the last 10, 20 years. We always talk about this. We say, you go back 30 years, and people would look at today and say, that’s insane, that’s crazy, that’s this, that’s that. And yet they evolved to thinking it’s okay. And that’s kind of what was going on in Nazi Germany. Well, little things are solid. OK, the little things in this movie are solid. What do I mean by that? Well, you have good set design. You have good costumes for the period. They even use this foggy, almost black and white feel almost for much of the film shooting. It’s very effective. And I like that because it really takes you back into that time. The hardest part of these films is showing how this could actually happen. Like I was saying, how could it evolve? How could such evil grow in so many people? And what is the real power of the mob mentality? Right. It’s a terrifying thing. And by the way, that can happen on the right, too. OK.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. I’m just saying, let’s face it.
SPEAKER 08 :
No one is immune.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no one’s immune.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you think you’re immune, you’re the problem.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Power corrupts. Power corrupts. Absolutely. Yeah. If you think you’re immune.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you think you’re immune, you’re the problem.
SPEAKER 12 :
My wife’s immune. Just saying.
SPEAKER 08 :
Like if you go, well, that’ll happen to everyone else, but not me. You’re the person who’s going to fall victim first.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I haven’t been sick in two years. I’m immune.
SPEAKER 12 :
And guess what? You’re finally going to get that promotion at work and you’re going to wonder six, eight months later why you’re resented by a couple of employees. When you think, well, seriously, when you think you’re doing everything right and you realize. You’re not. If you see it from their point of view, which you no longer do, you’re going to realize, wait a minute, I’m actually abusing power. And it happens. All right. Back to the movie. A rare film showing the truth about Nazis. Now, this is something because they were actually a socialist party built on resentment toward the wealthy. That’s what they were built on, folks. And this is left out of almost every Nazi film.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s not mentioned anywhere.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. They’re looked at as a bunch of capitalists because they fought the communists. Right. And people don’t seem to understand. Wait a minute. Hitler was a left winger. OK. I mean, and the Nazis were a hard line left wing party. Yeah. And they don’t call it left wing in this, but they do talk about it in terms of what actually made them so powerful. They promised the people power. that they could get theirs back from those who had taken it from them. All right. Finally, you have a good misuse of Scripture at one point, and I like that. Showing we must obey governments. That’s what the pastor is saying. Okay, I know the passage. We don’t have time. And it was really used by a lot of churches back then saying, Hitler is a government. We must be obedient to this. And that became the downfall of the church. Here was the thing. The religious leaders were using that passage and passages like it as an excuse for them to buckle to Hitler so they wouldn’t have to be going upstream in a downstream culture. So they wouldn’t be in danger. So to make themselves safe, they were telling their people, this is why we are obedient to government.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s real history, too. It’s not like they’re just spewing it. This is like historical fact.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, this happened. Okay, what doesn’t work in Truth in Trees? And well, British accents. Why do all these Germans have British accents?
SPEAKER 09 :
That is weird.
SPEAKER 12 :
It was weird. Okay, and I’m just like, guys, let’s Germanize those. You know, a little, a little more, you know, German would have felt good. Next, there is a very painful torture scene. Now, it’s certainly true to the film, but I thought I’d warn people just so they know it’s coming because it’s made by a Christian company. So I want people to know that’s in there. It hasn’t been that sanitized. All right. Next, this was a true story, but it was frustrating to see Helmut make clear strategic mistakes. Maybe he really did in real life. Okay? I’m just saying, for me, I’m watching this going, dude.
SPEAKER 08 :
Come on, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
Why don’t you just outline footprints to your door? Okay? I mean, come on. And finally, in the end, this film was good. It was. But it was not as gripping or compelling as other World War II films. You know, in the next hour, we’re going to talk one movie, Inglourious Basterds. Remember the opening scene where the German is interrogating this woman because she has Jews under the flag?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, the farmer.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Remember how it built the tension and the terror?
SPEAKER 09 :
It was amazing.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Well, they had good moments throughout this movie, but nothing like that. Okay. I’m just saying these movies have flown higher than Truth and Treason. Good movie, but I’ve seen better. Okay, Rotten Tomatoes. They gave it 100%, but there were only nine reviews, and I think most of them were favorable to this. But all of them liked it, and I think they’re right. Quality, I’m going to go three and a half stars, which is a strong review. Political, four. Moral, religious, four. Both good scores. So good across the board. Do I recommend going to Truth and Treason? Absolutely I do. Yes. This is a good movie at a time when, let’s face it, this time of year there aren’t a lot.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I think you should take advantage of that. So go see Truth and Treason. Truth and Treason because it is worthwhile. I think you’re going to see a real story and an inspirational one too. Sound good?
SPEAKER 09 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. Man. And Luke Cash.
SPEAKER 08 :
Man.
SPEAKER 12 :
And Luke!
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, a third time. I’m not used to this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Are you ready for this? Are you this much man?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m going to have to be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Are you ready for a movie?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, Tanner, you beat him. You’re more manly than Luke. Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was not prepared.
SPEAKER 12 :
Luke, I know you weren’t. The first Black Phone, the first movie, The Black Phone, was a sleeper hit. Did you see it?
SPEAKER 08 :
I did not, but you have raved about it. I know you really liked it.
SPEAKER 12 :
It was really good, guys. I gave it a strong four stars. Can the next one, can the sequel recapture the magic? Let’s see in Black Phone 2.
SPEAKER 1 :
Hell is…
SPEAKER 11 :
Take the best parts of you, the human parts, and leave only the worst bits. Only the sins. I am a bottomless pit of sin.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re dead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sound scary, Luke? A little scary.
SPEAKER 12 :
A little bit scary. Okay, well, four years ago, 13-year-old Finn, played by Mason Timms, he managed to kill his abductor and escape. Well, that abductor was the Grabber, played by Ethan Hawke. I like Ethan Hawke. Okay, I’m not alone here. And Finn was aided in the strategic cat-and-mouse game by the ghosts of kids. Get this, by the ghosts of kids that the Grabber had previously taken. These ghosts called Finn on a black phone on the wall of the basement… You with me here? Where Finn was being held hostage. So he was held hostage in this basement. There was a phone on the wall. By the way, it doesn’t work.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Friendly ghosts. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
And these ghosts would call him. And then you get to see the ghosts and hear them with Finn. Okay. And they guided him through the first movie. It was really fascinating. Well, anyway, now Finn is 17 and he’s still recovering from his abduction. That’s fair. Yeah, I mean, it’s awful. Well, he’s a tough guy who gets in fights and he smokes. But the story shifts more to Finn’s sister, Gwen. Now, she was in the first one as well, but now she’s more in the movie. Played by Madeline McGraw, whom we learned in the first film sees visions. Now, she got this ability from her mother. Well, Madeline is receiving calls from the grabber’s victims via another black phone. And these bring her and Finn to start tracking down a mystery. Is the grabber really dead? Well, meanwhile, Gwen, she’s getting a boyfriend. His name is Ernesto. That’s kind of nice, right? Finn and their dad aren’t that fond of Ernesto, but he seems very supportive, so they like him. He even wants to help with the mystery. So the three of them, the brother and sister and Ernesto, the three of them are led by Gwen’s dreams to a Christian camp in Colorado where their mom once worked. all right so now they’re zeroing in on it and they go to this christian camp they have to go there as cits counselors in training but they barely make it through a blizzard to get there now as a result the camp is closed so there’s only minimal staff just them and a few people and that’s all that’s there in this let’s all say it together cabin in the woods in the woods yes one more time cabin in the woods yes okay beautiful yes beautiful beautiful Well, it turns out kids have died at this camp before, and their bodies were never found. So the mystery deepens. How long has the Grabber been terrorizing children? Well, the Grabber, he keeps invading Gwen’s dreams, and he also speaks to Finn through, you guessed it, a black phone. Yes, exactly. So Gwen and Finn, they wonder if this monster can be stopped. It’s like Freddy Krueger coming back when you’re helpless to fight back. Well, ultimately, a large mystery must be unraveled while a powerful ghost hunts them all. What do you think?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think, I don’t know if it’s, it doesn’t sound as tight as the first one, but I can see the potential.
SPEAKER 12 :
I totally agree with you, and let’s dive in. What works in Black Phone 2? Well, first of all, it’s an interesting progression from the first film, using Gwen’s visions to deepen the mystery. I like that. You have a good plot development with her mother and the Christian camp. I like that. You have some good performances. Ethan Hawke is a good psychopath. Let’s face it, Ethan Hawke is a good actor. Right. He can do whatever he wants. The only downside of this is he’s always got this mask on, and that kind of kills the fun of it being Ethan Hawke.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s a great actor. Anyway, moving on. Tims and McGraw, they balance courage with fear and emotional trauma. And Miguel Mora is solid as Ernesto. So nice little cast, right? You got a few other characters who are okay. All right. What doesn’t work in Black Phone 2? Uh-oh. Unlike the first, this has a terrible pace. Now, the first one, by the way, is kind of a relaxed pace, but that’s because it’s building, building, building, building. And there’s a lot of strategy, right? This just falls apart. Like you were saying, it’s not tight. Well, dude, it’s not close.
SPEAKER 08 :
It sounds pretty busy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it is. And it’s all over the map. This is an hour of story and almost two hours of film. And man, oh man, they should have cut a full half hour out of this thing. The depictions of Christians are, to put it mildly, unflattering. In fact, what little humor there was in this film almost always involved using profane language at moronic Christians. Right. Make stupid Christians feel uncomfortable. So say unbelievably profane things. You know, they can actually be funny in glimpses. Don’t get me wrong. But as an ongoing gag, when you don’t have other gags, it’s kind of like, you know, I think you just hate Christians. I’m sorry. There was no agenda like this anywhere in the first film. And it was annoying here. Next, it’s not nearly as fresh as the first. Not strategically brilliant at all. The first one is just brilliant. I don’t want to explain it because I want you guys to actually watch Black Phone sometime.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
But the strategy of Black Phone is brilliant. Next, all the dream sequences. Ugh. They are shot almost like found footage from an old camera, so you know you’re in a dream. But half the horror of being in a dream in these movies is supposed to be that you don’t know you’re in a dream, so you don’t know if this terrible thing is actually happening to you. That’s the whole point, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it kind of defeats the purpose.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. They changed the whole look, so now I know I’m in a dream. You might as well have mist and a fog machine, you know, from the side going in. You’re wrecking it, okay? There’s a truly idiotic series. Oh, my gosh. A truly idiotic series of events where they search a frozen lake for bodies from years before. Now, think about this for a moment. The lake is frozen over right now. The bodies are from years before, and they’re searching to see if they are still where they think they went down. Okay. This involves plowing, shoveling. But why would the bodies all be in the same place as before? I mean, the lake is melted in summer and there’s a current. Okay. These mountain lakes, you know about them. They’re fed by these raging streams. Okay. It doesn’t make any sense. And you’re going, guys, why on earth would you think the bodies would still be where they were?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re nuts. It just made no sense at all. The lake is melted. And it’s just stupid. Okay, it’s just stupid. Okay, next, the writer and director, they hit on a great plot for one movie. And you can really tell this is black foam. The writer and director hit on this great plot in the first movie and now they decide we’re going to make a sequel and we’re going to try to do the same thing. But they ran out of ideas. This is a classic case, guys, of simply running out of ideas. That’s so fortunate. It is. This is a weak movie. I was bored out of my skull, especially through the middle of this movie. In all these movies, as you get to some resolution, it gets a little better toward the end. And it did. Not enough. So Black Phone 2, it’s a big, big disappointment. Rotten Tomatoes gave it 74% once again. I think they basically enjoyed the taking stabs at Christians. Right. And as expected, there was a little group in the audience that enjoyed that a lot. But nobody else did. And it’s not because everybody else was a Christian and you’re insulting me. They’re just like, this is boring. It’s not that fun. Okay. Okay. A couple moments were… I even liked a couple of the stabs at Christians. I thought they were funny. I’m like, yeah, you got me. That’s good. But a lot of it was just boring. 74% is way too high. Quality, one and a half stars. I’m telling you what, guys, this is going to come out. It’ll do a good amount of business for week one. Expect that because of the first movie. It’s going to drop like a rock after that. That’s what I think. Political, three. Moral, religious, one. It was nasty, unnecessarily to Christians. Black phone, two. Do I recommend going to it? Folks, I don’t. But if you have not… Watch the first Black Foam. Please rent it. It’s not that scary, but if you can handle a little bit of scary, I’m telling you what, it is an interesting and really good movie.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sound good?
SPEAKER 08 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Hey, we’ve got just a couple minutes left here, right, Charlie? Let’s do question of the day. Are you ready? Yep. All right. Yesterday’s impossible question. What simple expression is understood in all languages? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. My computer went to the wrong day. Here we go. No. That’s okay. That was last week. What was considered the ultimate in luxury flooring in the 60s and 70s? You might get this.
SPEAKER 08 :
60s and 70s? Like shag carpet? Yes! Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Shag carpeting was luxury.
SPEAKER 09 :
Shag carpet was it. I thought everyone had that. I guess not.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. You don’t, do you?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not that I know of. Okay. Not that you know of. I don’t even know what different carpets look like.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Okay, this one’s a tough one. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
You watch those M&M commercials, right? They’re pretty good.
SPEAKER 09 :
Some of them are cute. Some are cute. Oh, like the candy? Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Some are really good. Some are just like, it’s kind of morbid. Gotcha. Yeah, but okay. Well, name the actor who voiced the yellow M&M in the candy’s TV commercials. Any idea?
SPEAKER 08 :
Is it a female? It is a male. It’s probably got to be someone you don’t expect. It’s like Danny DeVito or something.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s somebody like Danny DeVito.
SPEAKER 08 :
Really?
SPEAKER 12 :
But it is not Danny DeVito. Okay, well, how about we talk about it at the end of next hour?
SPEAKER 08 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, now what is the topic we’re going to be doing in the next hour, Tanner?
SPEAKER 09 :
Nazis and Communists.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nazis and Commies. Exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
The Washington Commanders.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, all movies about the Washington Commanders. Exactly. Now, unfortunately, out of 32 teams, none of them took on the name Nazi. I’m sorry. That would have been a little tough.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t think that would have gone over well.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t think that at all. Can you imagine?
SPEAKER 08 :
Kind of hard to sell merch.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I don’t think that would really go.
SPEAKER 09 :
We’re at the Nazis’ home stadium, the Third Reich. Yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I’m very glad there are no teams named. The Nazis. Okay. But we’re going to be looking at Nazis and commies. Why truth and treason? That’s why I thought we’d do Nazis and commies.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
There are great movies about, because let’s face it, those are two incredibly evil forces on the planet.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. I mean, big periods of time too. I mean, substantially like culturally massive.
SPEAKER 12 :
Over time, only Islam has killed anywhere near as much as those two movements. Okay? The Nazi movement and communism. So you’re talking about fighting true, true evil.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
But you can also have some fun with it. There are some movies that poke fun at them as well. One of my favorite TV shows growing up was Hogan’s Heroes, which made fun of the Nazis every single week, and I loved it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Nice. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Was this hard one for you guys to come up with?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. A little difficult for me. I haven’t seen a whole lot of these.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. I thought I had, but I guess not.
SPEAKER 08 :
I usually make a strong effort to only put down movies I’ve watched. Right. I have not seen a lot of movies with Nazis in common. I got a decent amount, but not as much as I was expecting.
SPEAKER 09 :
Also, I went on Wikipedia and just looked at movies about Nazis or communists. 21st century, not as much just because it’s not as relevant.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly. Well, in hour two, folks, we are fighting together, Nazis and commies. We’re going to be fighting them. First of all, we’re going to have NFL picks with me and you, Tanner. Yep. You ready? Okay, that’s what we’re going to do in hour two, and then movies about Nazis and commies. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy.
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