In this heartfelt episode, join host John Rush as he delves into the significance of Veterans Day with Dr. Josh McConkie, a combat veteran and esteemed guest. They discuss the challenges veterans face post-service, especially in the bureaucratic maze of the VA system. Dr. McConkie shares profound insights into the importance of community support and recognition, urging civilians to appreciate the enduring impact of veterans’ sacrifices on our freedoms.
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And we’re back, number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all listening. We’ve got our special guest joining us now. He’s been with us before, Dr. Josh McConkie. Dr. McConkie, welcome back. How are you? Oh, thank you very much. Doing well. And I always love that intro. Well, thank you. We appreciate you joining us. And speaking of intros, you are a combat veteran. Today is Veterans Day, partly why you’re on. You’ve done lots of other things. You’ve also been a candidate for lieutenant governor in North Carolina. But talk to us today about Veterans Day and really some of what we probably should be doing with veterans, Josh, that we’re not.
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So, you know, it’s a very special day. It’s just a time to recognize just men and women that you’ve served with. You know, the politics come and go, but you’re there for the men and women. You know, I served in Iraq in 2007. You’re there for the men and women next to you. So it’s just a time to recognize friends and colleagues. You know, I always reach out to several of the service members that I served in combat with, my brothers, a veteran as well. And I gave a great speech this morning at just our public school, at the local school here, Thames Academy in Holly Springs, and that was very nice.
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Okay, so I talked about during the first hour today, we got off on talking about, you know, government shutdown and coming back and potentially here in the next few days and SNAP benefits and all the different things. And I made mention, and I mean this, I don’t think I’m wrong in saying this, if we took care of our veterans as well as we did our welfare programs, SNAP benefits and so on, not taking any away from people that actually really need something, Josh, but 42 million people on some sort of SNAP benefit is absolutely, food assistance, in my opinion, is ridiculous. And yet we’ve got vets that struggle to get disability. I’ll take them, and my own son, five plus years of multiple runarounds inside of the VA to get, you know, something that happened during the war resolved and things along those lines. I mean, I’ve seen firsthand how we treat our vets, and it’s not the same way we treat a SNAP benefit.
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And, you know, certainly that’s, I’ve worked for about seven to eight years in the VA system myself as a physician, and then I’ve also received care. And I really consulted on a lot of my friends that I served with in Iraq. I had a great friend, Dustin, that took an IED, had head injury, back injuries, just horrific injuries. And his VA competent physical, they were basically chalking up all the head injury stuff and just calling it depression. And so I had to write kind of a nasty letter and fight for him to get his benefits. It was horrible. Wow.
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So, you know, I mean, again, firsthand, you know exactly what we’re talking about. And again, that’s that’s part of what I want to make sure that we talk about today as well, that, you know, those are some of the things I know we can’t make, you know, wave a magic wand, you, I and Andy. But those are things that concern me. Andy, go ahead.
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Josh, why do you think that is? I mean, they’re there. By the way, I’m a veteran, too. So thank you so much for your service. Why do you think, while there are some wonderful people at the VA, there are at times bad care, substandard care? Lack of concern. Lack of care, lack of concern. Why do you think that attitude pervades in some places?
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Well, I think that’s just what you see in just bureaucracies. So people just become a number. It’s all about cost containment and trying to contain costs. It’s something that large, that large of an organization. I mean, there’s wonderful people that have worked in the VA. I love the people I worked with in the emergency department in Durham. Just unfortunately, some people on the admin side and with that federal bureaucracy, you lose the accountability and they lose sight of the actual mission and people just become numbers.
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Josh, is it okay if I call you Josh? I usually do. Lord McConkie, you wrote the book The Weight Behind the Spear. Now, a lot of people, when they think about the military, they think about the tip of the spear, right? They think about the warriors who go right up front or are flying the jets, whatever. What about the weight of the spear being the weight behind the spear? Why can that be forgotten and why is it so valuable?
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Well, people often forget that. They see those bombs on target. They see the special operations jumping out of helicopters, taking down bin Laden. They don’t see the hours and weeks and years of training and what the families have had to go through back home to sacrifice for them to get to that training and do what they do. And having worked with special operations myself as medical director for pararescue, combat search and rescue, These individuals have amazing confidence and skills. And what you realize, the common theme that you see with these individuals is it’s the weight behind their spear. So coaches, teachers, volunteers, and families. that weight behind their spear makes that spear powerful and that pointy tip so sharp. Because without that weight, it’s literally just a stick and it’s worthless.
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And how do you think we can take that lesson forward into the business world or into the church world or elsewhere?
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So yeah, that’s something I talk about a lot with business owners. So the earlier you get involved in a child’s life, you can help build these skills for leadership. So they think, well, this isn’t my problem. Until they come looking for a job. So you go to hire these kids out of high school, out of college. And, you know, there’s a large generation, I call them the COVID generation, that was shut out of schools and churches and their communities during COVID. And they just lack a lot of those basic skills, communications, leadership, resilience skills. And business leaders have a huge part to play, and community leaders. Get involved early. Coach. Volunteer in your school or your churches. There’s so many organizations that need your help. Don’t wait until they come looking to you for a job.
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Great, great advice, by the way. And again, for all of you listening, yes, it is Veterans Day and Josh is here on purpose because of that. Josh, give us some other ideas. In fact, folks that maybe, you know, maybe they’re not even in the workforce any longer. Maybe they’re, you know, retired or maybe, you know, they don’t have that ability. They’re not in an area where they do any hiring or anything along those lines, but they still want to honor, you know, vets. How do they do that?
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You know, there’s so many different organizations. So the veteran service organizations are really big. Each county has one. I know there was a veterans. I was supposed to speak on an event tonight that unfortunately got canceled, I think, for some health care reasons for some of the individuals. But, you know, there’s so many organizations that you can get involved with and just volunteer your time. And I talked to veterans and I let them know, like, look, your watch isn’t over. If you’re on a retired active list, a retired reserve list, you can still get called in. I knew there was a Colonel Killingsworth I served with in Iraq. And after Iraq, he had retired. He was over age 65. They called him back and sent him to Afghanistan. So, you know, your country still needs you. Your community definitely needs you. So stay involved and volunteer all those years of experience. You know, it matters. Make a difference.
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Been a joy having you, Dr. McConkie. I really mean that. You’ve been a great guest of ours here more on a routine basis of late and always a lot of fun. I enjoy talking to you. And, again, like Andy said, please, please, you know, thank you so much for what you do, your service. All of you as vets that are listening, please, on behalf of all of us here, myself, Andy, Charlie, KLZ, we appreciate all that you guys do and the families that are behind you. The weight of the spear, if you would, those folks that are backing up those vets, those mean a lot to us as well, Josh. Thank you very much. I appreciate you guys having me on. You’re very welcome. Have a great evening, sir. Yes, sir. You too. We’ll do it. And again, it’s about 7.15 where he is, so he’s way into his evening already.
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Dedicated guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is. I appreciate him. He’s been on before. And again, for those of you that were listening earlier that we hadn’t done that much with Veterans Day, I had a special guest coming up on purpose that I knew would be here at that time, and Josh is a great guy, and giving you guys some ideas on, hey, if you really want to help out some vets and be involved in their lives and really make a difference, multiple ways he just gave that we all can be involved in that.
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You know, and being a veteran, I just want to once again let people understand. You know how we celebrate Mother’s Day for moms, right? But every day is really Mother’s Day, right? Year-round, we should be treating moms as valuable and wonderful. Well, let me tell you, as a veteran, it’s not just Veterans Day. When we have people say, thank you for your service, I’ve had a lot of people say to me, do you get tired of hearing that? And the answer is no. It feels wonderful. It really does. It feels great to know that my nation actually appreciates the time I put in for them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Andy, it’s kind of like, maybe this is the wrong comparison, maybe it’s the right comparison, but do you ever get tired of somebody telling you that they either appreciate you or they love you? We as human beings, do we ever get tired of hearing that?
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
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Thank you. So why would you get tired of hearing it?
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. But I can understand because you hear so many people say thank you for your service. And the people who kind of awkwardly ask me that, you know, I understand why they ask. And that’s really nice. I get it. You know, but the simple fact is we in the military, not only did we commit a lot of time, but we took great risks. I was never sent into combat. I almost was. I was mobilized and ready to go, and they were going to send me out to combat, into combat, and I got pulled back literally at the last second.
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Wow.
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So I never went.
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Wow.
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But I was trained with an M16. I was ready. I was ready to be sent in.
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Right.
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You know, these people who are veterans around you, even a lot of them may have just been behind the spear, right? They were never the tip. They never went into battle. Let me tell you something. They toiled many hours, but all of them could have been sent into battle.
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Just like he said.
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Yeah. Every one of them took the risk of fighting for you.
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I had an interesting text message a moment ago, and then I want to dovetail into something else. But somebody said that there are other stations in town that feel like their listening audience is about 50% pro versus anti-Israel. And I would say here we’re probably more like 75-25, 75-4, 25 again. So we’re not quite skewed like maybe some of the other programs in town are. And I may be off on that. That’s just my guesstimate. I have no way to back that up. It just— kind of what I know and the messages I get and the calls and so on, I would say we’re about a 75-25. So moving along, why did we lose last Tuesday? Now, I haven’t been here other than today. I was on Saturday with DriveRadar in here yesterday. I was waiting to talk about some of this with Andy today because I’ve got my own opinions on potentially why we had some of the losses that we had last week. Now, was it a complete wake-up call for the GOP? I mean, there are always wake-up calls whenever you don’t win, but is it to the point where there’s some folks here in Colorado calling for the recall of the chair, for example, and stupid things like that? And it is stupid, by the way, because the reality is I don’t think, and maybe I’m wrong in this, Andy, and this is my belief, I don’t think there’s anything any leadership positions could have done to have changed the outcome last Tuesday, especially here in Colorado.
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No, there is nothing great that they could greatly do to change. You can always have some good programs that help turn out in the various districts. There are little things that you can do. Was there anything major that could be done? No, and just so you know… There are people, obviously, the Colorado Republican Party is very split between the Rhino Watch Davidians on one side. And I’m talking about the leadership, okay? The leadership, the SCC, the State Central Committee, is split between the people who, quite honestly, John and I don’t support, the Rhino Watch types, and the Brita supporters, okay? It’s the Brita and Dave supporters. Let me tell you something to both sides. Neither of you are to blame for what happened last Tuesday.
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Good point.
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For instance, in my county, Arapahoe County was a complete blue wave wipeout. These people who say, oh, it wasn’t a blue wave. I mean, they just won in blue states. Yeah, folks, two problems with that. Number one, they also wiped out a ton of Republicans in small offices across the country. We lost the Aurora City Council, which was 4-4. Now it’s 6-2. So it’s majority blue. Yeah. Oh, heavily. Okay. And that happened. We lost a Douglas County school board. Douglas County. That’s two to one Republican and Democrat down there. Almost. Almost two to one. And we lost that. We lost everywhere. In those races out east, you know, Virginia and New York and forget about New York, but New Jersey, the margins of victory were dramatically higher than all the pre-polling. This was a blue wave wipeout, okay? And in my county, which is run by Davidian Rhino Watchers, Arapahoe County is completely run by Rhino Watch Davidians. It was a complete blue wave wipeout. And here’s the question. Do I blame them? No.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I thought, well, they’re blaming the other side for the losses.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. So they’re coming out and trying to blame Brita for what happened statewide when they totally failed in their county. And my answer is neither of you are to blame. What was Brita Horn supposed to do? Go out on I-80 with her hands out wide and hold back the blue wave at the Nebraska border and stop it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, guys, when there’s a huge blue wave, it’s going to sweep people up. And this was a blue wave. People who try to say, no, they just won in blue states where they were supposed to win. No, they won way better than that. And they won by much higher margins. This was a blue wave. This blue wave was energized because of a number of things. First of all, it was a massive lash back against Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 15 :
True.
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Now, do I think he deserves it? No, of course. I think he’s the best president of my life. Okay. But this is a marketing thing. I don’t believe that the Trump administration has done a good job much of this year in getting its message out.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, we suck at that, Andy. We always do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. For instance, on affordability, affordability is the number one thing. Jordan was bringing that up earlier in our number one. Right. The biggest thing people are worried about is they can’t afford stuff. We should have been bashing the Democrats all along saying they make stuff too expensive. They make stuff too expensive. They make stuff too expensive. And we can give endless reasons why.
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Environmentalist reasons. And having massive fraud and giving out SNAP benefits to people that don’t deserve them creates additional inflation, meaning it drives up costs. I mean, there’s so many different things that could be said, and we miss the vote all the time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. When you are not messaging well, then it becomes easy for the other side to blame, say, Trump’s tariffs for…
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and this is where even Bob Duco and I will disagree because I talked about this on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. All of the White House rebuilding nonsense – not nonsense, but all – well, the nonsense from the left going after Donald Trump, which, by the way, the American public listens to. So what they’re looking at is, well, wait a minute. We’re struggling in the affordability aspect, but you guys somehow raised $300 million to rebuild the East Wing, okay? Right. Again – And this is my point, and Bob and I had arguments on this. That is where the White House should have messaged better on, hey, guys, we’re doing this, but this is more of an investment. We’ve rounded up money because at the end of the day, we’re going to save all of you as taxpayers X amount of dollars in doing this remodel. We blew it there, Andy. Right. Everything you just said was never packaged into an ad. Nope. It should have been.
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And it should have been packaged into quick 15, 30-second sound bites that Republicans all across the country were seeing. That’s right. you see we lost the messaging war in 2025 we did and it crushed us right this was a crushing victory for the for the left what happened on tuesday was terrible do i think that portends bad things for 2026 honestly it could i don’t think it will but it could We have to get our stuff together. Okay. We’ve got to start messaging better. We can’t just keep saying, oh, we’re going to fix it. What if the Supreme Court throws out Trump’s tariffs? We’re not going to have the economic boom to ride.
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Right. Think about that. Right. Exactly right. Yes, absolutely, Andy. Again, as I continue to say, and Bob agrees with me here, although he wasn’t sure we really needed to message because he thinks it’s just the way the Democrats are. But I looked at it differently because what we’re doing there in an election year, and granted, it’s not a huge election year, but there was enough elections going on to where, to your point, the anti-Trump vote, which was really strong this last go-around— When we’re doing things like that, we do have affordability issues in the country, and we’re not messaging well enough as to, okay, why are we doing this remodel project? What’s the benefit to you as a taxpayer in doing this? We didn’t do that. No, we didn’t. I did, but the White House didn’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
See, another problem, and this is why in the last hour we talked about it, because there’s got to be people thinking, why did you spend an hour talking about Israel and the divide in the GOP? Here’s why. When you are shooting at each other in the tent… You’re not going to recruit others into the tent. Okay. And the big problem we have right now in the Republican Party is we hate each other. Right. And here in Colorado, for instance, turnout was a huge problem for the Republican Party. Our turnout was terrible on Tuesday. It was terrible. They absolutely blew us out of the water in turnout across the country. No, it wasn’t all fraud. Was there some fraud? Knowing the Democrats, yes. There’s always fraud. Because they always cheat.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s always fraud.
SPEAKER 05 :
But folks, this was not a cheating election. It was a turnout election. And in Arapahoe County, my leaders… Do anything to try to turn out every single possible vote. No. Now, before you think, well, Andy, then you are blaming Arapahoe County’s Davidian leaders. No, I’m not. I don’t think it was going on anywhere across the state. You want to know why? Because we’re too busy fighting the two sides against each other. Okay. So you got the Rhino Watch Davidians against Brita.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
And her people, right? And they’re so busy fighting each other, not just online and in meetings, but also in the courtroom.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Guess what? They neither have the money nor the time nor the inclination. to draw new people out and to turn out the vote, and they weren’t doing it.
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That’s right. Absolutely. Absolutely, Andy. And I just had a text message along those lines, how much of this had to do with turnout Andy just explained. Huge. Yep. Huge. Yep, agreed. All right, we’ll come right back. Don’t go anywhere. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. And yes, you can save money on your roof now and in the future as well. Give Dave a call. Find out about the RoofMax treatment and how that works on your home, 303-710-6916.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 516. Again, a couple of great questions coming in asking about, you know, just was voter turnout a factor? And again, for those that, again, I didn’t talk about this last week, but, you know, the two big propositions, LL and MM, much as to Andy’s. Predictions came true. Let’s see here. LL was a 66% yes, a 33.9% no. MM was a 60%, 59.7% yes, and a 40% no, handily passing. And again, both of those taking money out of your pocket, but they framed it in such a way whereby it looked like, oh, the little guy will be okay. We’re just going to tax the rich. Yeah. That’s basically what it looked like.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Before that, you and I, you asked me on air, what do I think? And I said, those are going to pass at least 60-40. And they did. And again, folks, that’s not— Because they packaged it well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that is not voting machine problems. No. That’s not issues with people cheating and so on. When we, on the front side of any election, predict certain things— And it turns out that way, how can you then come back and say, well, because they cheat? We predicted it. So we’re not predicting them cheating. We just know the demographics of Colorado, and it was an easy prediction at the end of the day. It’s how they worded it.
SPEAKER 05 :
It was. This is a blue state. The blue state was going to vote to tax the rich. That was going to happen. But once again, getting back to turnout. OK, I want you to imagine for a moment what it takes to do turnout. OK, here’s what it takes, John. It takes massive, not just door knocking, but calling calls. recalling, calling people to contact their friends. We should have had a push in the Colorado Republican Party, and I’m going to tell you why it couldn’t happen, but we should have had a push that said every single vote. We must turn out every single vote, and we do not stop. We do not give up. We do not let up until we turn out every single Republican vote. None left behind. Okay, now, to do that… You’re going to have to get all the Republicans on the team together in a room, calling, working together, getting pizza, doing these things, and putting in ridiculous hours. Okay. Are you going to get Rhino Watch Davidians and British supporters into the same room to do that for 10 hours?
SPEAKER 15 :
They hate each other. Not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
It isn’t going to happen. They hate each other. I’m telling you, our division is killing us.
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm. Yep, and it’s not getting any better.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. Now, amongst young people who are split and even lean heavily against you and me on Israel, we have the same problem. We need to motivate. Where’s the best energy in your base? It’s young people, right? Okay, our base is absolutely divided on Israel, and I’m telling you, that division is exploding.
SPEAKER 15 :
This is a problem. So is that division, just as a side note, is that division there on both sides of the aisle you just mentioned, the Davidians and non-Davidians, or is it more weighted one side or the other?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, okay. I thought you meant Democrat, Republican. I was going to say, no, Democrats are very united in hating Israel.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I already knew that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
I get that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Actually, from what I have seen— I mean, because you know this part of it better than I do.
SPEAKER 15 :
You have more experience with people that are posting and so on than I do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, going from people’s posting, by and large, the Rhino Watch Davidians are more anti-Israel than the Brita supporters, on average. But there are Brita supporters who hate Israel. Oh, no, we don’t. We’re just… Don’t even get… I don’t want to go there. Don’t get started, right. Yeah. But there are Brita supporters who are against Israel. I would say it’s a much smaller percentage. I would say most Brita supporters are pro-Israel, and most Rhino Watch Davidians… Of the young ones are definitely against Israel. That’s what I would that would that is what I would suspect. And by the way, a big part of the problem, because people are wondering, OK, where did this come from? Not just the Israel division, but the other divisions in the party. A lot of it came from Trump in a good way. Trump broadened our tent in ways that we have never seen.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. He reached into union membership. He reached into demographics, black, Hispanic, and so forth that we had not reached before. When you do that, you’re going to bring in a lot of people who are not on board with all your principles yet. And we have that right now.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Elon Musk is not a hardline conservative.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. And that’s a real problem. All right. And so what we have right now is in this election, a lot of the people who voted for Trump turned out and voted for the opposition. And people say, well, why is that? Here’s why. Folks, a lot of Trump supporters are not loyal at all to the Republican Party. They’re loyal to Trump only. And this is new. Reagan supporters were loyal to the GOP. Bush’s supporters were loyal to the GOP. Romney’s supporters were. Even though I have problems with Romney, they were loyal to the GOP.
SPEAKER 15 :
Trump supporters are loyal to Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re loyal to Trump.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not anything else.
SPEAKER 05 :
They are not loyal to the GOP. Right. And so they stay home. And this is a real problem we have going forward. Now, will they turn out for Vance and Rubio? Yeah, they will. We’ll be fine in 28, but what do we do until then?
SPEAKER 15 :
26 will be an interesting one to look at.
SPEAKER 05 :
It will.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and again, anything Andy just said, I cannot disagree with anything along those lines. And we do, and we have some real issues in our party. Not just in Colorado, by the way. There’s other parties or there’s other states that have some of the similar party issues that we have. I will tell you that I think we’re right up at the top as far as the state goes and some of the issues that we’re having internally. I know there’s some other states like Michigan and so on where they’ve had some big issues as well. But, Andy, we’ve got to be right at the top of being dysfunctional.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah. You know, I talk to Eli Bremer now and then. Eli says the National Party looks at Colorado as probably the most messed up in the country.
SPEAKER 15 :
We have leprosy. Why touch us?
SPEAKER 05 :
Because they look at the… Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
They look at the Rhino Watch to be… I mean, what I’m saying is the RNC looks at Colorado as having leprosy. Don’t touch them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way… Leave that alone.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And they do like Brita, but they… Unclean, unclean.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go away, basically.
SPEAKER 05 :
Unclean, unclean. They hated Dave, from what I’ve heard. Yeah. From what I’ve heard. They like Brita, but they look at it and say…
SPEAKER 15 :
Too much division.
SPEAKER 05 :
But your divisions, these Rhinowatch Davidians are too powerful here in Colorado. They have too much control over the state central committee, and we cannot trust how your party is going to go forward. And we’ve got a real problem with that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and that’s one where you and I might maybe next Tuesday kind of work through, you know, if you were, you know, Britta or in a leadership position, what do you do to try to overcome that? And I’m sorry to say this, and I’m not trying to be negative Nellie here by any means, and I like Britta, but she’s not going to fix that. I’m sorry to say she’s not going to fix that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, she is going to have to change a few key things that she’s doing to do it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yeah, and she’s got a huge mountain to overcome because she’s already hated by all of the Davidians in the first place. So it’s going to be really hard for her to convert most of them just because of that. Right. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and also the big problem is what do they want? The Davidians are not committed to the party winning. Oh, no. They’re committed to their power.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re committed to them retaining power.
SPEAKER 05 :
They want their control of the party. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s exactly right. And it only. Everybody listening, let’s make sure we’re very clear on that. That’s all they care about. Yes. And again, as I’ve said many times, and Andy has talked about this, and we both agree, keep in mind that it’s going back to what Andy said a moment ago about Trump. Love the guy dearly. But especially here in Colorado, he created more of an opportunity and a window for grifters to come in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, he did.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that’s exactly what’s happened. The grifters looked at Colorado and said, man, we can go in there, latch on to this whole Trump thing, and man alive, we’re set. And guess what? They did.
SPEAKER 05 :
They did. Okay, let me ask you a question here, John, because there are people listening to us right now, and they’re saying, you’re being divisive. You guys are criticizing that part, right? You’re criticizing the Rhino Watch Davidians. Call them whatever you want. They will call it the grassroots.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they’re Davidians. Davidians is a good name.
SPEAKER 05 :
But here’s the question. How do we unite without telling the truth? Because you and I have only been telling the truth. Everything we’ve ever said about the Rhino Watchers and Davidians, we’ve backed it up with facts, with figures, with examples. We back it all up. We don’t just throw stuff out, okay? I mean, do we have to start lying in their favor? Do we have to start stop or do we have to stop telling the truth? What do we got to do to unite?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and this is hard to do. In my opinion, the only way you’re going to get the party united, and this is my mission, again, it’s going to be hard to do, you have to continue to uncover what those are doing, the Rhino Watchers, Davidians, whatever you want to call them. Have to continue to uncover what they’re doing inside of the party, the undermining they continue to do, and exit them out of the party. You’re not going to get united until those folks go away, Andy. I’m sorry to say, they are not uniters. They are definitely Davidian dividers, and they are not going to buy in. Unfortunately, they have to go before you get unity.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, John, when you have somebody has a cancer in their body— Has to be extracted. That cancer can never become a positive part of the body.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it’s always a negative. Always a negative. And this is a cancer.
SPEAKER 05 :
And people hear us say that and they say, well, then you’re the problem because you’re dividing.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I want them gone. I’m not dividing anything. I want them gone. So my idea of unity is they have to go away. Now, some would say, well, that’s dividing. No, it’s elimination. Get rid of them. They need to go to another state. Pack it up. Go someplace else. Go find another state you can grift into. Do whatever you want to go do there. Hopefully it’s a heavy red state so you’ll fit right in and you won’t be able to divide things and really screw things up for a purple state that’s now completely blue. Because you’re a bunch of wackadoodles. But frankly, Andy, they just need to go away. Go bye-bye. See you. Pack up the U-Haul. Goodbye. See you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, because all they want is power in the party. For instance, they did run a number of counties in this last election. Now, I’m not blaming them for a blue wave, but they did nothing.
SPEAKER 15 :
They didn’t win.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they didn’t do anything to turn out the vote. Not that I know of. I didn’t see anything. John, I’m in Arapahoe County. I never saw anything to turn out the vote. Nothing. They never put out a voter guide to let us know, well, who are the Republicans we should be supporting in these various races? Nothing. Nothing. People were having to circulate things. You know, Danielle Jurinsky, she lost. Okay. We had people who were very popular and they lost. Why? Nobody even knew who they were supposed to support. Why? Why? Because when all you care about is your personal power, you don’t care about performance.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Yep. And retaining power.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
At the end of the day, we’ve said it all along. We’re pegging it correctly. Folks, we haven’t been wrong on any of this stuff yet. And trust me, we’re not wrong on the Davidian crowd inside of the Colorado GOP. Believe me when I say that. We are not wrong. And here’s why I know we’re not wrong. For those of you that maybe are wondering, well, John, how do you know? I’ve said this on air. I’ll keep saying it openly. Not one of them ever comes on air and debates us. I never get any debates via the text line or email. And last but not least, we’ve not made the Rhino Watch Hall of Fame yet because they realize that if they give us any kind of credibility, there might be some folks that actually start listening to us and follow us, and they don’t want that. So believe me, we are a threat to them. It’s why we’re never on the wall of shame or whatever they call that stupid thing, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is frustrating.
SPEAKER 15 :
Am I correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s starting to look that way, yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because, really, they don’t want to mention us.
SPEAKER 05 :
We are the two biggest critics of them in the state, and yet they’ve never mentioned us.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they mention other hosts that aren’t even as critical of them as we are. Right. She gets to be on the wall of shame or fame or whatever it is, and we don’t. Are you feeling left out, John? No, actually, I feel pretty proud because what that really says is they don’t want any of their folk listening more to us because we might actually crack through the surface of their ignorance and awaken them to actually what’s going on. And they might actually lose supporters if they mention you and me. That’s my thought.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it’s possible.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t think I’m wrong, Andy. I don’t think I’m wrong. And I think you really deep down inside agree with me because you know that if some of their folks started listening to us and became more rational about what’s going on here in Colorado, they might say, oh, geez, yeah, why am I supporting these knuckleheads?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah. Well, I do know they don’t want their people listening to us. When I was debating them on their pages, and I was being much nicer than they were. Much nicer. They, of course, had me removed anyway. Right. But, I mean, that happens all the time on social media, so whatever. All I know is this, John. Right now, the Colorado Republican Party is far too divided to get out the vote.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Andy, what’s going on with ICE?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, well, as you know, in New York City, the NYPD, there are people who are not very happy about Zoran Mondani coming in. And so there’s some, say, plummeting morale.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I can imagine.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah, you’ve got somebody coming in who wants social workers addressing crime rather than you. In other words, you’re going to have handcuffs on you the entire time, basically, when you’re trying to enforce the law. It’s a terrible situation. Well, ICE is recruiting them in opposed to X. ICE wrote, NYPD officers, defend your family, defend your city, defend the homeland. And they also included a link to their recruitment page, which boasts a $50,000 signing bonus, $60,000 for student loan repayments, and 25% premium pay. Wow. Wow. NYPD officers. So basically, ICE is trying to steal their officers. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it’s a great idea. I love it. Jeez. I wonder how many takers they’re going to end up with.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mamdani has, and this is a quote, described the NYPD as racist, anti-queer, and a major threat to public safety. And he labeled them a rogue agency. This is what Mamdani said about his cops. And now he’s their boss. I mean, and you’ve got ICE coming to you saying, hey, man.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, why would you want to stay there?
SPEAKER 05 :
And here’s the bottom line. You look at the financial incentives. That’s great. But here’s the big thing ICE is telling you. We’re going to let you do your job.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. We’ll support you.
SPEAKER 05 :
You are supported 100%.
SPEAKER 15 :
It would be hard to turn that down.
SPEAKER 05 :
I wouldn’t turn it down. I mean, you’ve got to be patriotic. You’ve got to love America.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let’s do this scenario.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
You decide to go that direction, so X amount of officers leave New York City. Who replaces them? Marxist lovers?
SPEAKER 05 :
What?
SPEAKER 15 :
Marxist lovers?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. This is my big concern. And by the way, Mamdani, people like Mamdani always know this. This is what they do. This is what Obama and Biden did with the FBI. You know, some people say, well, the FBI, Sean Hannity kept saying, you know, 99% of them are good. No, they aren’t. Sean, a lot of the FBI had been cleared out and replaced with these anti-American zealots. Right. Okay. And that is true in the CIA. There is a deep state problem throughout. That’s where it comes from. Anyway, with the NYPD, the way Mamdani looks at it is this. I will get as many of these to leave as I can and put my supporters in there. I’m going to have my own private police force. A bunch of activists who are going to go after white people, they are. They’re going to bust Jews. They’re going to bust white people. They’re going to bust whoever I want busted. And here’s the most important thing. They’re going to look the other way when my folk are committing crimes. And don’t think that you’re not going to have a… a Muslim area of New York now.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which, again, is going back to Jordan Goodman, Sharia law.
SPEAKER 05 :
A Sharia district.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, what you’re going to have happen, and even Jordan Goodman talked about this, who’s, by the way, very much on the left, you’re going to mass exodus.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
People that have any kind of means, resources, and so on that have the ability to leave there and go someplace else, that’s exactly what they’re going to do at the end of the day, Andy. They won’t stay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and here’s the big problem with that, John. Let’s say, okay, let’s say Mamdani flops, okay? Yeah. And I believe to some degree he will. I agree. Okay. Okay, so the next mayor comes in, but now they inherit the NYPD that he has remade in his image, which is going to be full of activists. It’s going to be all left-wing, extreme, anti-American activists with guns and power on the streets of New York. This is why, folks, if you’re not a hard lefter, who fits the demographics this guy likes, get out of New York. Yeah, why stay? Escape from New York. Right. Right? Yeah, exactly. Why stay? This is why, look, I’m worried about Aurora. The city council just went communist. Okay? We still got Mike, who is our mayor, but, you know, the way Aurora’s going, he’ll be thrown out. He’s not going to stay. Pretty soon, Aurora is going to become a place where I, quite honestly, am going to be terrified of the cops. Yeah. Because they’re going to be working for the other side. Do you honestly think the new leadership in Aurora is going to use the cops in a fair manner?
SPEAKER 15 :
No. No.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hell no.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there’ll be some old guys that hang around for a while because they want their pension and so on, but eventually they’ll be weeded out and then it’ll change.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they’re going to be replaced by what? Their activists. They are going to people the Aurora PD with their activists. It’s going to become a very unsafe place to be.
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SPEAKER 14 :
We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Dentor’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Page. John, what about Boulder? Now, Boulder has been left-wing for a long time. It was out on its own. Now it is surrounded by all these left-wing districts that have been overrun by Democrats. I told you how I think Aurora is going to go in time. It’s going to become Saudi Aurora. We’re in trouble.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 05 :
But in Boulder, as left-wing crazy as it is, they never took over the cops.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, they never have. And being a native from there, which most of you may or may not know, grew up there my whole life, literally moved out of there in 2016. So literally lived in that entire area from, you know, when I was born until then and have had businesses, still have business there and so on. So, you know, I’m very familiar with the area. I would say, Andy, growing up there, that it’s probably multifaceted. It’s not just one thing. But money is one reason. They love their money, and it’s a very expensive place to live, and there’s hardly any, quote-unquote, low-income or slummy areas of Boulder.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah. Boulder is not overrun with crime the way most Democrat areas are.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, because you can’t afford to live there.
SPEAKER 05 :
And are you telling me that these rich liberals want an actual police force to defend their wealth?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, absolutely. Just like most do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, okay. Now, in Aurora, Jeffco, and places like this, you’re not going to have that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably not. You might in pockets, but you’re not going to have it on a countywide basis. Second of all, not only is it because of the wealth sides of things, but—and bear with me here, folks— Boulder is full of a lot of wealthy Jews who, yes, typically vote Democrat, but they also understand that they need security to keep doing what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, for instance, Jews vote very Democrat up there. How many Jews are in street gangs?
SPEAKER 15 :
None.
SPEAKER 05 :
How many Jews deal drugs?
SPEAKER 15 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 05 :
How many Jews are involved in organized crime?
SPEAKER 15 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 05 :
How many Jews shoot up schools?
SPEAKER 15 :
Very few. Or shoot up the streets?
SPEAKER 05 :
None.
SPEAKER 15 :
None. Zero.
SPEAKER 05 :
How many Jews are on public assistance?
SPEAKER 15 :
Very little.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, and I’m not saying this to be pro-Jew. No, it’s just the way it is. Whatever.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m giving you the answers as to why Boulder’s the way it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m being demographically honest here. Okay, it’s just not a big deal there. I think that Boulder is very demographically safe.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it’s very insulated, which they designed back in the day when they passed their open space tax back in 1969, I believe it was, whereby it’s literally this, you know, it’s 10 square miles surrounded by reality. Right. That’s what we say, and it is. And to me, that’s the answers as to why it’s the way it is. It’s still weird. Again, it’s my home, or my native home, I guess you could say, and still go back there and visit and check on things periodically. And, Andy, it is definitely weird.
SPEAKER 05 :
But, John, it’s a crazy college town, but I’ll tell you what. I would feel safer in Boulder than I would in Fort Collins.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, no, definitely.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Fort Collins, for the longest time, was very conservative.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, whoa. Well, on a side note, let me just say this because I don’t talk about this much on air, but let me tell you. It’s easier. Some of you are not going to believe this. It’s easier to do business in Boulder than it is Fort Collins. How come? Because Fort Collins is a wannabe Boulder. Boulder is Boulder. In other words, Boulder doesn’t have to prove anything. Fort Collins is always out to one-up and prove something that they can do better than Boulder.
SPEAKER 05 :
By better, you mean more left-wing, more restrictive?
SPEAKER 15 :
More regulation, more this, more that. I mean, all of that, Andy. Yes. Basically, they feel like they can one-up Boulder, and any time they think they can, they try. Meaning, it’s harder to do business and actually have a friendly business environment there than it is in Boulder. Go figure. You would think it was the opposite. And most people, anytime I tell that to someone, they look at me like, no, John, you’re crazy. There’s no way that can be. Fort Collins is known for this agricultural, conservative, blah, blah, blah town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it sucks up there.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, you know it gets dark earlier now, and so when you and your wife go out to dinner, you’re going out in the dark. Are you going to do that in Boulder or downtown Denver?
SPEAKER 15 :
Boulder. All day long.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
All night long.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s safer, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Even with the Boulder weirdos and crazies, it is safer. Absolutely safer, yes. Again, it’s my hometown, and I have a love for the town. It’s one of the most beautiful towns in the world, by the way, no matter what anybody says.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, it’s gorgeous.
SPEAKER 15 :
The Flatirons and so on is one of the most gorgeous places on planet Earth. But because of all of what I just said, Andy, is why I believe it’s different than a lot of other heavily Democrat-run areas.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s weird. It’s an anomaly all on its own. It is. It’s an anomaly.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m afraid Saudi Aurora will not be like Boulder.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and I’m afraid there’s going to be other parts of Colorado, to your point, that are very much the same way. Unfortunately, you’re going to see not only Arapahoe County, but probably even work its way up to Adams County, Jefferson County, of course, and so on. And unfortunately, there’s not too many bastions in this front range left.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
So we’ll talk more about that next week, guys. Have a great rest of your night. Stay safe. Again, Andy talked about how it’s getting dark earlier. So, yes, it is dark right now. Be very safe. We’ll be back tomorrow. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Bye.
