In this episode, we delve into the intricate dynamics of political affiliations and controversies. Our conversation kicks off by discussing the challenging decision-making process for political figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene, especially when criticizing former allies like President Trump. We explore the pitfalls and potential consequences, both for her and for the broader game of politics, painted vividly by the ongoing debates and media narratives. The episode also shines a spotlight on Senator Ted Cruz, following a fascinating scoop by Axios regarding his 2028 presidential aspirations and strategic differences with political figures like Tucker Carlson.
00:00:30 Challenges in Finding Topics for the Show
00:01:18 Debate on Marjorie Taylor Greene vs. President Trump
00:03:30 Axios Scoop on Ted Cruz’s 2028 Presidential Bid
00:08:23 Trump’s Call to Release the Epstein Files
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
remember when we had to look for things to talk about on the on the show do you remember those days we would look for topics pre-9-11 of course yeah yeah well even a little post-9-11 it wasn’t just pre-9-11 i don’t know but these days oh my gosh we can’t get it all in I mean, I’m watching you and I’m listening to you talk about this World War III, DEFCON 1, President Trump, Marjorie Taylor Greene. And I’m reading your thing about making a choice and how we should – I’m like, I don’t want to make a choice. Don’t make me choose. I feel like a big baby. I’m like, no, no, no. Don’t make me pick between Marjorie Taylor Greene and President – You do and you don’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
You kind of do. You didn’t have to last week. This week, you might, as Marge goes a little bit off the rails.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Scott Jennings has a really good, thorough analysis of all this. You just got to realize, if you’re going to criticize Trump on his policies, and she has. I mean, she’s opposed Trump on the deportation. She’s opposed him on the Middle East. She’s opposed him on going after the Houthis and Iran.
SPEAKER 04 :
Handling the shutdown, handling health care.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, look, if you’re an ally of President Trump, well, your words have to kind of reflect that. Now, on the other hand, she is America first, America first, America first. I love that about her. And I appreciate that about her. But, look, let’s just be honest here. She’s a big girl. You want to take on Trump? Godspeed. Maybe that’ll work out. I don’t know what her plan is here, but she is now on social media saying that bad things are happening to her. She’s being threatened. She’s being doxxed. They’re sending pizzas to her house.
SPEAKER 04 :
which is a pizza gate. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s reaching her. And it’s like, we don’t want any of that either. I don’t want her to go through that.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, of course I don’t. You said something a minute and a half ago. She’s a big girl. She is. She is. She is a strong, confident woman. She is tough. Let me tell you what tough people don’t do. Wah! I’m getting death threats. Wah! Because mean, evil, not evil President Trump, but I mean, he called me a traitor. Listen, you thwart Trump. He’s coming after you. Even if you’ve been in the camp before, if you… That’s going to happen. What you need to do is put the big girl pants on and shrug it off and say, look, I’ve said what I said. I still support the president, you know, 95 percent, whatever. I’m going to work with him in every way. There’s a way for her to handle this. But where are you? There are people doing this, sending me pizzas. No, not good. This is she had a really good five or six days there. The last few have not been as good.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’ll see how it all plays out for her. Again, I’m with you. I like your attitude about it’s not a binary choice. Knock it off. You know, we’ve got a big tent here, and we’ve got room for disagreement. Now, how about this conversation starter? I’m surprised I’ve been listening to you intently that you haven’t touched the Axios scoop about Senator Ted Cruz. So check this out. So Ted Cruz, according to Axios, big scoop, he’s laying the groundwork for a 2028 presidential bid by leaning into his feud with Tucker Carlson and staking out turf as a traditional pro-interventionist Republican. Now, they’ve got sources, and Cruz said in a statement to Axios, we have a responsibility to speak out even when it’s uncomfortable. When voices in our own movement push dangerous and misguided ideas, we cannot look the other way. Axios claims that Senator Cruz is doing this to carve a path to run again for president, this time in 2028. What say you, Mark Davis? It is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, John McLaughlin, of course it’s possible, and everybody’s going to over-read and over-analyze every single thing everybody does. Look what we do for a living. We analyze things. But I always want to make sure I don’t over-invest in every little thing that happens in the middle of 2025. I will say of Senator Cruz, whom I love every day, a one-man argument against term limits, by the way. Are you going to tell me I’ve got to get rid of Ted Cruz just because I have to? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, term limits people. Nope. He did on a couple of occasions. If someone wants to address, as you skillfully have, what is going on with the ability for anti-Semites to grab a hold like a hook of young conservatives? That doesn’t mean we have to…
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SPEAKER 04 :
Pay attention to Nick Fuentes, who doesn’t believe a minute of our time. But there’s something about the appeal of this. What is that? That’s a valid pursuit. Senator Cruz, again, whom I love, has on a couple of occasions seemed to overstate the presence of anti-Semitism in the party. anti-Semitism on the left is a baked-in feature among many of their actual elected representatives and the things they say and the things they post. Republicans, not nearly so much. It tends to be podcasters and fringe bros and things like that. So there’s a weird myth of equivalency thing there. But for Ted or anybody else looking to create a lane, it goes right through J.D. Vance. There he is. He’s either vulnerable or he’s not. And if this administration goes as well as we all want it to, he will be
SPEAKER 03 :
I think what’s interesting, I want to go back to your point about young people and supposed anti-Semitism. I think what’s happening is there are a lot of young people cooling on support for Israel. That does not make them anti-Semitic. See, but I think there are defenders of Israel, and you and I are two of them. I mean, I stand with Israel, and I mean that with every fiber of my being. Nobody’s paying me to stand with Israel. I’m not getting any kind of compensation. I’m just proud to go to Israel on a bunch of occasions and believe with all of my heart that we are spiritually and demographically and geographically and strategically aligned with Israel. However, I’m not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend that there’s not a whole lot of young people who are saying, wait a minute, you know, this Gaza thing, we’re uncomfortable with that. We’re uncomfortable with the way Israel reacted. Look, you and I disagree with them, but they should not, to an extent, but we should not ignore them. And that also doesn’t mean they’re all a bunch of Nick Fuenteses either.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re not. Completely correct. But I’ll tell you what. Find me 100 young people disturbed by how Israel approached the Gaza problem, and I’ll find you idiotic young people getting their news from idiotic TikTok rather than any kind of objective diet of news.
SPEAKER 03 :
We can whine about how they get their information, but it is what it is, and they are future voters, and we’ve got to deal with them. We’ve got to talk to them. We’ve got to persuade them, and we’ve got to win them over. 100%. But that’s, I think, what’s happening now. How about Trump over the weekend? In the crap file that’s 3,000 pages long that we’ve got to tackle today, Trump is now saying, hey, just like Release the Kraken. What was that from? What movie is that from? Release the Kraken!
SPEAKER 04 :
Is that Austin Powers? I’ll know within seconds. Keep talking.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think it was, yeah, it was Austin Powers, I think, with a woman that said, look up, ask Grock what Release the Kraken is from.
SPEAKER 04 :
Clash of the Titans, 1981, where the god Zeus orders it to happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
But then I think in Austin Powers, there’s a woman, remember the lady that had the funny accent? And I think she did like a take on that. Release the blah, blah, blah, blah. And that was another version of it. But anyway, President Trump essentially over the weekend released the Epstein files. He’s telling House Republicans it’s time because we got nothing to hide, he said. And furthermore, I want to investigate the Bill Clintons of the world and find out what they’ve done wrong. But look, Mark, this thing, try as you might, this is not going away.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’m really ready for it, too, because even a burr in the saddle, even a fly buzzing around your face is distracting, and I don’t like the distraction. I’m going to stay with this. There is not one notable famous person whose reputation will be destroyed by discovery in the Epstein Files. Not one. Not one. Well, I don’t know. We don’t know that. You could be right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, there’s a reason Trump initially didn’t want these files released. What do you think it is? I’ve asked you this a hundred times. I’ve asked the audience a million times. Nobody can give me an answer. What’s his possible reason for it? Look, he campaigned on it. He said, we’re going to release the Epstein files.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think bottom line is they went and looked through a whole bunch of them, found a doodly squat in there. There’s just nothing of significance there, most likely. Well, they released them. So they realized they oversold. And then they realized that they kind of pandered, quite frankly. And now there’s just not as much there. And maybe it’s just all going to be a big box of nothing. But as you say, if it is a big box of nothing.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s the dumbest answer in the history, in our friendship. That’s the dumbest answer you’ve ever given me in my life. Let me hear this. Let’s let the audience hear what you just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
You may have misheard, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Maybe I did. What I heard is, why doesn’t Trump want to release the files? And your answer was, well, they went over them. There’s really not a lot there. So now they’re deciding not to release them because they oversold it in the first place. Release the damn files!
