Hour 1 of https://RushToReason.com kicks off with Andy Peth—joined by Luke Cashman and Tanner Coleman—for a fast, funny, and fiery hour that swings from Thanksgiving chaos to political shockwaves. Amid jokes about Vietnamese feasts, airport gravy smuggling, and hunting Thanksgiving dinner “bare-handed,” the trio dives headfirst into the escalating crisis in Chicago. What happens when a mayor calls law enforcement a “sickness” even after a woman is brutally attacked on a train? And what does it mean when a leader claims he’s committed first to people who “look like” him? The hour then pivots to Marjorie Taylor Greene’s sudden
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And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush today, along with two guys who are more manly than anybody, anybody else in the entire Denver metro area. Of course, that is Tanner Cole and Luke Cash. Gentlemen, are you ready for Thanksgiving?
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Yeah, I’m ready to lose all of the gains I made in the gym for the past couple of months. I’ve been working hard, and I’m ready to fall back and gain an additional 20 pounds, get it all back.
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Well, what are your plans? What are you going to be doing for Thanksgiving?
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m going out to L.A. with a girlfriend. Her family’s still out there. Her Vietnamese side of the family puts on a nice big Thanksgiving over there.
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Now, are you going to bring the turkey? Will it be strapped on the top of the plane? Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I’m putting it in my checked bag, actually.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, okay. Good, good.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think that’s the plan. The gravy is coming in three thermoses that I’m carrying through. Technically solid, so it’s allowed.
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I think it’s only, what, eight ounces each that you can do.
SPEAKER 13 :
I thought it was still less, like four.
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So if you bring like 150 of the little containers of gravy.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it’s going to be a lot, but it’ll be worth it.
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Yeah, that’s really good. I think you’ve got good plans there.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think so. I think so.
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I love Vietnamese food. So the fact that they’re going to be doing Vietnamese food, I think is pretty awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, yeah. They do like half traditional Thanksgiving, half Vietnamese food. It’s a good mix. It’s nice. Because it’s different, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s different, too. It’s kind of like Chinese-like.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, very much Chinese-like.
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And, you know, I always think about the Vietnamese pilgrims when they first got here. And, no?
SPEAKER 15 :
Nope.
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Well, there should have been.
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I guess there kind of was post-Vietnam off the refugee boat.
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There you go. There you go. I love Vietnamese food. Tanner, what are your plans?
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Going home to San Diego will probably just be my immediate family, but we’ll be good to see them, see some friends, get some nice weather in, maybe even go to the beach. Maybe get in the water. Maybe not. 30-degree water.
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What are you guys going to be eating?
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Um, probably your most typical American, you know, the turkey, the turkey, the what’s it called? Stuffing. Yeah.
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Well, while you’re in San Diego, get some good Mexican food. God knows there’s no such thing as good Mexican food in Colorado. I hear you.
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Corey and I haven’t decided yet. Whatever wanders into our yard. You know, so we’re waiting.
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The neighbor children.
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We got a lot of anticipation, you know, because you get really excited. What will wander into the yard? Yeah. What will we have for Thanksgiving this year? It’s very exciting.
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Are you going to hunt whatever wanders in the yard or bare hand catch it?
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Oh, bare handed.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, I’ve learned from you, too. I mean, you’re so manly. I can be manly, too. OK, we are going to be talking about a lot of things today in Chicago. They have an insane mayor. We’ll be talking about him in a moment. Marjorie Taylor Greene retired or bound to hold it quits. And she’s going to be leaving Congress in January. Supposedly, you know, she’s claiming that Trump. I turned on her because of the Epstein files. I’m going to set that straight. They had a falling out. There were different reasons. We’ll get into that. But first, how about the impossible question? Are you ready? Sure. Okay, here we go. What is the world? This is from John and I were talking about it last Friday. What is the world’s largest island, not a continent?
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Epstein’s.
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Epstein’s Island.
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Maybe like weighed by the burden of sins. Yeah, it’s large with guilt.
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So Antarctica doesn’t count. Australia.
SPEAKER 15 :
Antarctica is not an island. Australia is an island, I believe. And also a continent.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is a continent. So you can’t use Australia and you can’t use Antarctica.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. I got to go with Greenland.
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What do you say?
SPEAKER 15 :
Is he right? Is he right? I think you’re probably right. I think it’s got to be Greenland.
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Greenland, which is otherwise known to Donald Trump as Alaska East. Okay. Yes, it is Greenland. The world’s largest island and future state of the United States of America.
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The 51st.
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I do not want Greenland as a state, but you know what? I think it’s funny and I don’t care.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’d be kind of cool because then you don’t have to have a passport to go there. Yes. It’d be a fun, you know, vacation away from the States. It’s kind of like going to Alaska, but, you know, a little better maybe.
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Yeah. And also, you know, I think what we could do is send all our prisoners there. Why not? Yeah. That’s a good idea.
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Greenland’s already depressed enough. I don’t think they need any more. That’s a good point. Get them some free labor up there or something.
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There you go. There you go. Okay. Today’s impossible question. What civilization invented paper?
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Paper?
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Paper?
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Like proper paper? Are we talking like papyrus and it’s adjacently related?
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All I know is this. Whatever civilization it was, it had a big government.
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England?
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Just because of paper. Big governments love paper, baby. I mean, they track everything on paper.
SPEAKER 15 :
Paper, it’s got to be like a Middle Eastern country somewhere. I don’t know, like Israel, Jordan. Like in that little pocket, I think.
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Okay, if we remember, we’ll answer it at the end of the song. Sound good?
SPEAKER 15 :
Ottoman Empire. Ottomans? These guys were on stone tablets. Are you just like listing off random? I’m listing off all the big franchises back in the day. The franchise. Famous franchise. The Aztecs.
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Do you have like Ottoman helmets and things at home?
SPEAKER 13 :
Ottoman Empire is one of the coolest things I learned in school.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you have an Ottoman jersey on?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Number 13.
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OK, there you go. All right. I respect that. OK, here we go. Let’s talk a little bit about Chicago’s mayor just because he is insane. And I like talking about insanity. Do you like that? Yeah. OK, Brandon Johnson, for those who don’t know, back in August, there was a woman and this is terrible. She was lit on fire. while on a Chicago train. You’ve heard about this, Tanner? And it was just terrible. What’s really terrible is the guy who did it had just an arrest list as far as the eye could see, okay? And he kept not being put away, not being put away, not being put away. Well, folks, that makes things dangerous for those of us who are still out here. And this happened to her now. Brandon Johnson… When he was pressed about this again, just a sec. Here we go. He had these wonderful comments to make about jails and incarceration. Now, I personally think jails are a pretty good idea for really bad people. Okay? I’m not saying everybody, but you know what I’m saying. Yeah. To quote Brandon Johnson. Are you ready? Here we go. Jails and incarceration and law enforcement is a sickness. That has not led to safe communities, Mayor Johnson said. I’m going to work hard every single day to protect the people who are caught up in violence in this city. Apparently without jails, incarceration, or law enforcement. I mean, what are you going to do, ask them to be nice? But here we go. I’m going to work every single day to protect the people who are caught up in this city. Guess why? Okay, why do you think he’s going to protect all the people who are caught up in crime in that city? Any idea? Okay, here’s the answer. Quote, you want to know why? Because the vast majority of them look like me. He’s black. Now, Luke. You’re about as white as they come. Okay. Luke is about as white as they come, folks. There’s white. Then there’s really white. And then there are white people who go to art films.
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Yeah.
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Okay. Luke is in that category.
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They bring me into dark rooms to lighten it up.
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It’s a totally different. I know because your relatives, the Vietnamese, when you come out there, don’t have to turn the light on in the room.
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Right. They requested a skin graft to be used as part of like mirror technology for NASA.
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Yeah, we’re going to cut the turkey. Can you come closer? Just lean over. Oh, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And not too close because it’s going to get too done.
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Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. OK, so here we go. What, Luke, what if you were to say, you know why I want to work hard every day to protect the people of my city? Because the majority of them look like me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it doesn’t work if you reverse it, you know, doesn’t doesn’t quite.
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You don’t think so? You don’t think that’s a great idea?
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, OK. Well, this is what he said. And he goes, the president has never asked a very simple question to me, Johnson said. He doesn’t talk to black mayors about what it’s like to live in communities that have been disinvested in. OK, stop. Tanner. Gee, why have these communities been disinvested? And in other words, businesses are leaving.
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Well, because there’s so much crime, homelessness, drugs, whatever it may be that businesses want to leave or they can’t sustain their. I mean, they can’t keep up with the rent because they don’t give enough business. We see it in our state and our city quite a bit.
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Right. OK, so businesses are leaving. OK, they’re leaving these communities. That Johnson says these are black communities. OK, I don’t live there. OK, I’m just going by what he’s saying. And businesses are leaving. And he’s angry at the president for not asking him what it’s like to live in these communities that have been disinvested in where his supporters who voted for him overwhelmingly live. Do you see the problem here?
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Yeah.
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Your own supporters ruin these communities. OK, black, white, Asian, whatever your supporters ruin these communities overwhelmingly. And now you’re mad at the president. Next, what he says. So, no, we’re not going to succumb to the sickness and the evil that Dr. King warned us about a generation ago. It’s a sickness and we’re going to eradicate it. He’s talking about jails, incarceration and law enforcement.
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Does he even know how long a generation is? Because it’s been a couple since Dr. King.
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No, he does not. And yes, it has been. By the way, Dr. King kept talking about, what was it, the content of your character, not the color of your skin?
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He also said, watch out for the crazy liberals once they become a very, I guess… Once liberalism comes, watch out for that, was one of Dr. King and Malcolm X’s messages, that the white liberal is maybe the black man’s worst enemy, even though they don’t understand that. However, in Chicago, 33% are white, 29% black, 29% Hispanic. It’s a pretty even split. It’s a pretty even split. So what’s the problem? And so you’re just disregarding white and Hispanic people then? Is that what he’s getting at?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don’t think he believes that the white and Hispanic people look like him.
SPEAKER 13 :
I guess not. So screw him. Only help the black people. But, I mean, even at their town halls, there’s black people in there screaming at him to fix the city. I see it every week, or not every week, every month.
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Let me ask you guys this, and then we’ll go to break here. Would you feel safe living in a city where the mayor is committed, first of all, to the safety of people who look like him, which you don’t, and secondly, who’s against all the things that protect you from crime? I mean, that’s a recipe for bad things, I would think.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t like living in cities in general. No, no, no, no.
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All of them. Totally agree.
SPEAKER 15 :
Totally agree. For all of the above stated reasons.
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Later on this hour, we’re going to be talking about Aurora and something that’s going on with speed cameras. Trust me, I agree with you on this. But would you feel safe there? I wouldn’t feel safe there.
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No.
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I mean, this guy doesn’t have my back. OK, here’s here’s the answer, folks. If I’m your mayor, I don’t care what you look like. Right. I love you all. All people are beautiful. Every child is a miracle. No exceptions. And I don’t have people who look like me. That’s not the thing.
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Yeah, I mean, I’m scared of some white people just as much as any race, so I don’t understand. I mean, you can be one race. I mean, there’s bad people, and there’s good and bad people in every race, every creed, religion, ethnicity, whatever.
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Yeah. I mean, I don’t like Robert De Niro. Exactly. I mean, come on. He’s a jerk. And guess what? I guess he looks like me. All right. Gee, I should trust him. Okay, folks. Anyway, let’s all not move to Chicago. Can we agree? Yes, we agree. Okay. When we come back, we’re going to be talking a little bit about Marjorie Taylor Greene and her feud with Donald Trump. Up next is Roof Savers. When winter hits your dry, cracked roof, hey, that can leak. But with a treatment from Roof Savers, your roof is practically new again. So call Dave Hart at Roof Savers, 303-710-6916.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. And gentlemen, you know who Marjorie Taylor Greene is, right?
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Yes.
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Basically, okay. She has decided to hang up the cleats, as they say, and she’s going to leave Congress. And the reasons were pretty obvious. She had a falling out with Donald Trump, and he said he’s going to endorse her primary challenger next time around, so she knew she was going to lose. The surprising thing is that she didn’t. Finish out her time, you know, because she had over a year left. And so it was kind of surprising that she did not finish out her term, but that she’s leaving early. Now, why is she leaving on that day in January? It’s pretty, pretty obvious, right? Yeah. Two days. We’ll go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
I was just about to ask, but I think it’s, is it January 6th or no?
SPEAKER 04 :
I forget what day, but it’s two days after she reaches her five-year mark, and you have to be in Congress for five years minimum, and then you get your lifetime retirement benefits, which, by the way, are huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. I don’t like that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Me neither.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead. I don’t think that’s good. I don’t think you serve in Congress for five years and then you get a lifetime retirement, and then everyone else has to work until they’re 72 and half dead. I don’t like that very much.
SPEAKER 04 :
I actually really agree on this, and I think you should start to accrue some retirement. and have it scale up. But just getting past the five years, boom, man. You are covered, full medical, full everything. I mean, you’re covered.
SPEAKER 15 :
I feel like the people representing us should be subject to the rules that we are under. I agree. I don’t know. It feels very nobility. It feels very monarchical to me.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Perhaps you are a count ruling over a land. I don’t know. I don’t like that.
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Well, this, by the way, is really quick. This is why Lauren Boebert switched districts here in Colorado. She had fallen out of favor. She’s a real flamethrower. And she, of course, had her big incident night on the town that one night at the theater, which was hilarious, I understand. But bottom line is, in her old district, CD3, she was going to lose. And she had only put in four years. She had to win. So what’d she do? She moved to a deep red district so she could get that next win. And now, of course, she’ll stay in because any Republican is going to win CD4. It’s just like any Democrat will win CD1, CD6, these kinds of things.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that makes a little more sense. I mean, the first time I ever heard the word tenure, I thought you had to do 10 years at whatever job that was. So if you can’t even put it in 10, I don’t think you should get lifetime benefits. Granted, there are people that have been in Congress for decades, and they didn’t leave even though they’re still going to get the same benefits. Right.
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Now, I will say this. There’s a lot that goes into winning a seat in Congress. I mean, Democrat or Republican, it is really intense to have to literally campaign to get your job. None of us had to do that, okay? And I’ll give them kudos for that. And so some benefits, yeah, but I think it should escalate the longer you’re in. I think you should earn full benefits.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, lifetime benefits after five years is kind of gross.
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Yeah, not cool. Okay, anyway, Marjorie, why did Trump turn on Marjorie Taylor Greene, which he did? Now, she is coming out and claiming, of course, it’s because of the Epstein files. She was calling for full release. He was against that for a while, and then he decided, now I’m totally for it. Go ahead and release them all the way. And here’s my question. Why do you think she’s saying that it’s because of the Epstein files? Why do you think she would use that as the big reason?
SPEAKER 13 :
Because that’s the hot topic again. Yeah. It’s an easy opt out instead of whatever else might be going on.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. It makes her look good. Yeah. OK. It makes her look like. Well, number one, it makes her look like she’s the good person. Number two, it makes him look like he’s protecting pedophiles.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
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So she’s using it as a backhand slap against Donald Trump. All right. Here’s the here’s the truth, guys. No, he didn’t turn on her because of the Epstein files. First of all, there’s nothing in the Epstein files incriminating to Trump. If there were, the Democrats who held the Epstein files for the last four years definitely would have leaked it and used it, of course, in the last election. And by the way, they were available for release, I believe, in January 2024. Don’t quote me on that, but I think so. And Joe Biden was president. Okay, so they could do that. Hang on a second. We got a call from Jim in Wellington. Jim, what do you have to enlighten us about in Congress? Because I don’t know the exact retirement rules, so set us straight.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so there may be two different types. One person that I kind of know and follow was a government employee, and they said that after you reached your five-year mark, you would get an annuity.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
At a certain amount. But you have to remember that you can’t start drawing on it until you’re age probably 65. In my case, I work for a government institution, and you can’t start drawing on it until age 65. Another way in my situation is I have a defined benefit, so it’s called a 401A. It’s an Apple benefit. I invested after I hit my five years. So if I leave any time after that, I can leave it with the organization, but I can’t start drawing on it until age 65. And then you have to remember that the amount of benefit is years of service. So if you only do five years and there’s an algorithm.
SPEAKER 04 :
But what about the medical, Jim? Because that’s a big part of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know if they get medical or not. I think most government agencies, you have to go on. Everybody’s required to go on Medicare at age 65.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but I’m pretty sure Congress gets theirs covered. But go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I would check into that and make sure because I would be surprised at that. But let’s just say anyway, you know, five years. and you put in so much out of your paycheck, and then the government matches so much, and then that accrues, and you can actually do the calculations every year, like if you were to leave, and then leave it with the organization. So it might be, if you’re there for five years, it might be $1,000 a month, $800 a month, but if you’re there 20 or 30 years, You know, it could be two, three, four thousand dollars a month, depending on what your salary was and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I’m sure it would be I’m sure it would be a lot more. But I do know. Look, I think I’m going to have to research this in more depth because I haven’t had time. I’m looking at a bunch of topics coming into today. And this just came up over the weekend. But I do know for Congress, it’s a lot more lucrative than it is for the average government worker.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean, I mean, it probably did. be based on what they make if they make $150,000 a year 175. But some of the numbers that are thrown out there for people that are in the government say she’ll get anywhere between 800 and 1400 bucks a month after age 65.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, tell you what, I’m gonna, I’m gonna have Tanner research lifetime.
SPEAKER 06 :
So that lasts as long as you live, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll have Tanner research that and find out exactly Hey, what is she gonna get?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, apparently just annual salary for Congress, $174,000. Also gross. So Jim was right on the money. And that’s just, I think, as soon as you start. 174K.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’re not even counting all of the insider trading.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, we’re talking about a woman who was worth roughly 700 grand. I heard 700 grand going in and is worth close to 20 million now. How does that happen? I don’t know. Well, I will tell you this. They do get paid very well for speaking engagement. Go ahead, Jim.
SPEAKER 06 :
I said, that’s everybody that works there. Everybody does that, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, all of them. Too many of them do, and I have real problems with the trading ability of Congress when they can pass laws that affect, not only can they pass laws that actually affect the economy and various sectors of it, but they have advanced notice a lot of times of what’s coming down the pike and can invest accordingly, and that’s how Ms. Pelosi got incredibly wealthy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely, and that should be, they should put themselves, an immediate family, maybe up to aunts and uncles, who knows? I mean, I don’t know how you would do extended family, but at least an immediate family shouldn’t be exempt from being able to make trades other than maybe just mutual funds or something, general retirement type stuff.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Jim, the big thing would be this, because you could extend it out as many ways as you want, and then they could just pass the info along to a friend. So the bottom line is you can’t pass along information that affects investing if you’re in Congress, period. And I don’t care if it’s to your husband, wife, or best friend, or a friend you haven’t seen in 20 years, because you work out some little thing where that person does a bunch of investing and you wind up sharing the money. No matter what, you shouldn’t be able to pass that along.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and in a perfect world, that’d be great. But trying to enforce that, I don’t know how you’d even enforce that. But doing the actual trade, I think, would be easier to enforce.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very good. All right, Jim. Well, thank you so much, sir. And he has gone. OK, tell you what, folks, let’s take a break, because when we come back, I want to get into the real reasons that Trump turned on Marjorie Taylor Greene. OK, and it doesn’t have to do with the Epstein files. OK, the timing alone shows that there’s some much better reasons. OK, up next is Dr. Scott Faulkner. Hey, he can see you in a matter of days, not weeks. By the way, that’s really good. If you get a new doctor, a lot of times they can’t see you for months. And so the fact that he can see you in days, that’s great. For the best in total health, call Dr. Scott at 303-663-6990.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Luke Cash. Man. And Tanner Cole. Man. Okay, gentlemen, let’s talk about Marjorie Taylor Greene. Why did Trump churn on her? And he did churn on her. Okay? It wasn’t because of the Epstein files, folks. It was not. And there, by the way, are some very good reasons to delay releasing the Epstein files. It has to do with evidence and handling of evidence. I don’t think I’m going to have time to go into it today. I hope I do. But first of all, the biggest reason is simple with, you know, why he turned on her. She’s bad team member. a really, really, really bad team member for the Republican Party, and he is also the leader of the Republican Party. You have to be. You have to be leading a large coalition to attain office and to get enough people on your side to pass anything. Okay? Let me give you a few examples here. Number one, she blamed Republicans for the shutdown. That’s ludicrous. Republicans put forth a clean CR. There was no politics in it at all, and the Democrats came back and demanded $1.5 trillion in additional spending. Yes, it included things like health care for illegals, but there was other stuff in there, too. Just huge, monstrous expansion of spending. And the Republicans said, we can’t do that. Look, we’re just asking for the same clean CR that you yourselves have voted for countless times in the past. Got shot down next. She called for fully extending the COVID era Obamacare spending. Now, do you guys realize how much money that is? I don’t because I can’t think in terms that big, okay? I mean, it’s enormous. First of all, COVID era. COVID ended several years ago, okay? We had a bunch of increased spending to cover COVID area spending, but we don’t have time for that, okay? I mean, we don’t have the money for that. She wanted to extend that, and she wanted to go along with the Democrats’ plan to just extend it all and basically act like we’re in COVID and keep spending that level of money. We can’t afford that next. She went on The View and was critical of Republicans. Sorry, guys. Look. You can’t you got to close ranks. You got to work together. You got to work with your team. Next, she called for the removal of House Speaker Mike Johnson when he was working miracles with a razor thin majority. Next, she criticized Trump’s Mideast policy when it resulted in decimating Hamas, crippling Iran, and it produced a historic peace deal. She criticized Trump’s tariff strategy, which, by the way, is you can do that. You can criticize any of these things. But the way she did it. Okay, mocking, turning on. His tariff strategy has brought in 20 trillion in new investment into America while opening countless foreign markets to American goods through dramatic lowering of tariffs against our products. Okay? That’s the whole idea of the tariffs. And that’s why he did it. Now, if you want to disagree with that, that’s fine. But MTG, offer your alternatives. How are you going to bring in all this investment? How are you going to lower the tariffs in other countries so we can sell our products there going forward? What are your plans? She offered nothing. Zero zip, zilch, nada. And many people ask, hey, what’s your alternative? Not a thing. Let’s see here. She said bombing the Iran nuke site would put us in foreign wars. There would be regime. We would push for regime change and we would have World War Three. All three predictions proved 100 percent false. She did not recant. She didn’t say, gee, golly, got it wrong. You can see I oppose the strike. You could do that. But when you make predictions like that and you are so wildly incorrect, even Tucker Carlson admitted, OK, I over I overshot on that one. There’s not going to be World War Three. Come on, MTG. And finally, together with Thomas Massey, she forces us to get more Dem votes for bills. She makes really Thomas Massey is the worst with this. They make bills more liberal. Here’s why. OK, we have an incredibly razor thin majority in the House. OK, so if we want to put through bills. budget bills. We can’t just put through hardline, pure libertarian-style budget bills like Andy Pate would like, because you know me, I would slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, right? But we can’t do that. Why? Because we have not convinced a majority of Americans to support that. If we put that through, we’d get clobbered in the next election. I mean, if we put through the kind of budgets that Thomas Massey and I would like, in 2026, we would lose 50, 60 seats. Easy. I mean, that margin. We would get obliterated. Okay, because of that, you’ve got to basically put it through on the margin, and you’ve got to cut some deals, and they’re tough deals. Now, if you have a couple people on your side who vote against anything you do because they will only accept purist votes… for their principle, that forces you to get a couple Democrats to vote with you to pass it. Okay? Or in the Senate, when Rand Paul does that, that forces you to give more to what’s-her-name Murkowski up in Alaska, which we actually had to do. We had to give some pork to Murkowski up in Alaska to pass the big, beautiful bill. Why? Rand Paul. So because of Rand Paul saying, I won’t vote for anything that doesn’t live up to my principles, as a result, we had to make a more liberal bill. It’s not good teamwork. And when you don’t have good teamwork, you’re not going to win. All right. Trump churned on her because she was a bad team member. Now, when did it first go bad, though? When Trump showed her Georgia polls, and here’s what I mean. Trump went to her, and I don’t know exactly when during the year he did, but he went to her and basically said, you cannot win statewide election, governor, senator. You’re not going to win, Marjorie. And I’m not going to support you because here are the polls. And by the way, she would lose. There’s no way MTG would win statewide in Georgia. Nothing against her. Would I vote for her if she were the Republican? Oh, of course. Yeah, I’d vote for her. She wouldn’t win. It’s a purple state. She’s in a red district. She wouldn’t sell beyond that district statewide. She wouldn’t do it. OK. And because of that, he went to her and said that. And this is the rumor. And I’m not going to confirm it. But the rumor is that’s when she started churning on him. And she really did earlier in the year really start churning on him a lot. And she wasn’t just shooting at Trump. She was shooting at the Republican Party. Bashing, bashing, bashing. When she called for the removal of Mike Johnson as the Speaker of the House, it was ridiculous. Okay, now, guys, if you have somebody who is turning on your party and making it that difficult when you have a razor-thin majority all the time, are you going to want her there?
SPEAKER 13 :
No. It’s kind of like the star wide receiver. You can only handle him for so long until he becomes too much of a problem and starts hurting the team.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. You know, I mean, look at the NFL. There you go. Okay, you’re in the NFL. How are you going to do it? How are you going to win if you’ve got a couple of players who are just flat out coming out against the team? And by the way, doing it in public.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
And bashing the coach, bashing the coach.
SPEAKER 13 :
And she’s such a big name that everyone’s going to draw to what she has to say. Right. She’s one of the biggest names in Congress, regardless of side.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And once again, I don’t mind her being critical and having disagreements over various bills. You want that. Yeah. I’m totally cool with that. You know, Mitch McConnell, I disagree with him a lot. Why? He’s to my left. OK, there are there are people who advance things that really hurt us. OK, you can disagree. But to say to come out and just slam them and then turn against them and withhold your vote and force them to go get more Democrat votes or more, you know, Murkowski’s. You’re actually making things worse for the country. Right. Make things worse for the team.
SPEAKER 13 :
Kind of that only child syndrome where she’s like, if it’s not my way, it’s the highway. Like, I don’t just because something’s slightly off, I’m not going to accept this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And that’s what basically happened. Now the Epstein files, once again, Trump’s not in them, not in any serious way. Obviously he knew Epstein a lot. Epstein was connected to dignitaries all over the world. Okay. In many places, he was connected to mostly Democrats. Why? He was a Democrat. Okay. A very strong one. And that’s where most of his donations went, but obviously he had a lot of connections, but if they had anything on Trump, They would have used it.
SPEAKER 13 :
It would have came out immediately as soon as they saw it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 13 :
And it would have been years ago. Yeah. I mean, they had the whole Netflix docu-series, I think, like 2020, 2021. So, I mean, it would have had to have come out then. But, I mean, Trump and Epstein were probably the same circles, and then Trump kicked him out of his party, and that was the end of their friendship.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Because I’ve always – regarding the Epstein stuff, I’ve always been confused. And, Andy, I’m curious to get your opinion on it. Why the double switch-up? Because –
SPEAKER 04 :
Which one?
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead. When Jeffrey Epstein was originally arrested under Donald Trump, under his administration, and he was in there for a while. And then when Biden took over, Trump was a huge advocate. Every Republican was. It was a big calling card, release the files, release the files, release the files. Trump had that information. The administration switched, and he was super pro-release the files for all four years.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m not sure. Was Trump totally for releasing all the files immediately while Biden was in? On Twitter.
SPEAKER 15 :
He was sitting there saying, release the files.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think that’s foolhardy.
SPEAKER 15 :
He gets into office, says, actually, never mind, don’t release the files. And then recently goes, actually, never mind, release the files again. So why the back and forth?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, first of all, I can explain that easily. It’s Trump. Trump is, but he is, he’s mercurial. Trump could make himself look guilty of killing Kennedy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. No, I’m serious. Trump does not handle PR well. He is very good at doing. He is very good at negotiating. He is terrible at explaining. Would you agree to this? He has a stream of consciousness.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That when you listen to somebody like Rubio or J.D. Vance or one of these guys, you know, you hear reason, reason, reason, reason, reason, backed up, backed up, backed up. And they also maintain a very central message. Trump doesn’t. I mean, we’re talking about this on the Epstein files. Are you kidding? He’s been all over the map on all kinds of issues. This is Trump. And that’s the way he is. Do I like it? No. Have I been critical of it over the years? Absolutely. I mean, because to me, it’s a real problem. But I understand. I know he’s not lying. He’s just whatever I’m feeling at the moment. That’s my position. It’s always been his way. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Also, they had so many issues with like not, you know, giving victims names up and certain things within the files they couldn’t release. So the redactions and just I mean, when they first released a little bit, they were everything was crossed out. You could barely read anything. Right. So I think that was part of it. But at the same time, I mean, you see him in Mondani. They couldn’t stop bickering at each other. They invite him to the White House. So this is true. It’s like every day he’s a different guy kind of thing. He’s not bipolar, but I mean, he’s very, you know, not wishy washy, but back and forth.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, but here’s what he is. He’s a dealmaker. And so for Trump. You know, for me, I’m a I’m a guy of principle. I have like a lot of absolutes. Right. Trump is not an absolutist.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
He’s a dealmaker. OK, I move over here because I think this is going to be the best for America. I move over there because I think that’s going to be the best for America. With me, I’ll say, well, principally, I would only go here. That’s not how Trump operates and never has been.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Well, even with him and Zielinski. Invites him in, then he’s like, I don’t want you here anymore. Invites him back, and it seems all good. And then he’s like, well, if he wants to get a deal done, we can get a deal done. I’m waiting on him. Exactly. And he just said, like, this last week, he can end the war if he wants. He just hasn’t done it. So you never kind of know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, Marty, we got a couple minutes here. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 07 :
Very good. Andy, I hear these younger guys here, and they’re speaking about Trump in a way that I don’t think that the MAGA nation, the RINO nation, is able to. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.
SPEAKER 04 :
You said two different ones. MAGA nation, RINO nation. What do you want to go with? I think they’re the exact same.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re the same person.
SPEAKER 04 :
So now you hate Mago.
SPEAKER 07 :
Trump can do no wrong. Well, Trump can do no wrong, and we can’t criticize him. Okay, Marty, really quick here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I’m going to give you some time here, but I just want to clarify. I think there are elements of MAGA who are like that, who treat it like a cult, and he can do no wrong, and no matter what, they just knee-jerk defend him no matter what. I think there are elements of MAGA who do that, but I think there are elements of MAGA that don’t. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think there’s a few. Well, those are the ones that are being criticized, because as it stands right now, it doesn’t take Einstein, it doesn’t take any level of wisdom to know that Thomas Massey and MGT were both selected for annihilation because they said, we got to have the Epstein files. The big, beautiful bill does not get you $20 million in opposition from Marian Adelson. Then what was the reason to come after those two?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, Adelson, look, Adelson is one person who’s against them. No, Marty, come on. Look, the fact is, is that the reason Trump turned on her is because a lot of people have turned on her. You’re acting like this is only Trump. And like, once again, as you always want to say, the Jews bought him. I mean, this is your big thing. I know the Jews are controlling everything in the universe. You know, the other day the Jews turned off gravity and I started floating. It was really incredible.
SPEAKER 07 :
That is such a weak argument, though, because what we’re not saying is the Jews are responsible for everything. But who would be harmed immensely by the full revelation of the Epstein file? What people are going to get harmed? It’s a lot of people. It’s a lot of damage.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, there’s a lot of people and a lot of damage that would be caused. Marty, my big problem is chain of custody. This is why I don’t think that they should be. I disagree with the vote they just held. OK, and I guarantee I’m not in the files and nor is anybody I support. I couldn’t care less. Personally, the reason is chain of custody. Here’s the problem. No, Marty, here’s the problem. The whenever you are at a crime scene, you want to keep it undisturbed. Right. So that none of the evidence could be messed up. Here’s the problem that that evidence has been in the hands of your opposition for four years. Now, especially in the time of AI, they could have messed with that. They could have taken a lot out. They could have added two. They could have altered it. What’s there? My concern is not with releasing the files. My concern is with the evidence at hand and the thousands of man hours it would take to go through it and make sure what has been disturbed, what is not, what was taken, what is not, what is missing, what is not.
SPEAKER 07 :
to just throw it out there fair andy we have to we do have to understand here’s the deal with the epstein list and this is why i think it’s a mistake to just say there is no list yes yeah the files the completion of the file this is what’s so dangerous is to say if if they if trump was in it they would have released it long ago here’s the catch though guys this is why this hasn’t taken place trump is not the main character there are fish so much bigger powerful richer than he in that list this list is so widespread This file, it doesn’t just single out one person. This is not about Donald Trump. No, I’ve said this myself, Marty.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ve said this myself. If Trump were to protect anyone, it wouldn’t be him. It would be donors. Yes. Yeah, I agree. And maybe there are some big Republican donors who are in there. That’s possible. Don’t care. They got to go. No, no, I know that. I’m just saying. No, no, obviously I’m agreeing with you. I’m just saying it’s possible. I don’t know. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know what’s in there. She works for her constituents and she says, my constituents want the list, want the files, Donald Trump. And you give it to us because you said you would. She’s done nothing wrong. When Thomas Matthews said, I don’t support pedophilia.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but once again, Marty, I’m saying it’s fine for them to say that, but that’s not why Trump turned on her. I just gave you a whole list of things she did that caused Trump to turn on her. Marty, she’s a rotten teammate. OK, take the Epstein files for a moment. Take the Epstein files and set them aside like they never existed for just a second. OK, and then look at everything I just listed. She’s still a cruddy teammate. Awful, awful, just awful because she doesn’t understand what you have to do to advance legislation.
SPEAKER 07 :
We’re talking about accountability. And so to play by the, you know, get along with the team, just to go by when the team is defying the orders of the nation, that big, beautiful bill.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
You keep bringing it back to the Epstein.
SPEAKER 04 :
You keep bringing it back to the Epstein files. Okay. Like that’s the only factor. It isn’t. You’re acting like it’s the only factor. It’s not the only factor.
SPEAKER 07 :
Use the ridiculous, big, beautiful bill. We don’t want our military used anywhere in the world. You said you’d get us out of wars. We’re still in Ukraine. Maybe we get that solved. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really, how many of our men are dying in Ukraine? What are you talking about? We’re still in Ukraine. Well, our money, the reason we have our money is still going to Ukraine. I understand that because we’re in the middle of negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. And if we were to cut off Ukraine, that would dramatically cut the leverage from one side and wreck the negotiations. Who cares? Marty, because you can’t wreck the negotiations for one side when you’re trying to negotiate with both sides and a war. That’s why I care. Obviously, I’m not a supporter of Ukraine.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know that. OK, but we want out, Andy. So how does Trump get us out without a single dime being spent and another day wasted outside of the America First agenda?
SPEAKER 04 :
Not possible. Not possible. You’re asking him to instantly get us out of something that he didn’t put us in. That’s not fair. You just walk away and think, I don’t have any money for this. No, no, no, no, no. You do that, and you’re going to create a vacuum. Russia’s going to waltz in. It’s going to be a real problem between us and Europe. We have to deal with the EU. We have to deal with Russia. By the way, this would affect China and our negotiations with them. Marty, you’re acting like this can happen in a vacuum, and I’m telling you it can’t. It can’t happen in a vacuum. It’s going to affect a lot of parties, and that includes us. Marty, I’m sorry. I’ve got to let you go. Marty, I’ve got to go to break. I’m out of time. I’m out of time, Marty. I’ve got to go to break. Sorry about that. Okay, folks, that was fun, actually. I enjoyed that. Up next is Cub Creek Heating and Air. Don’t wait for your heater to go out on a cold winter night. Get it checked with Cub Creek at 303-656-5467.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Marty, once again, sorry, man. We were really out of time, and we got one quick topic. We’re going to rush through it. Ready? Go. Sure. Okay. Aurora is deploying new mobile speed cameras to slow drivers. Oh, okay. I want to ask what you guys think of these things, being everywhere and just checking your speed everywhere you go.
SPEAKER 13 :
I can’t stand them.
SPEAKER 15 :
I just think it’s a gross overstep. Yeah. I disagree with like – I mean, trying to get through it quick. It’s a slippery slope having non-humans, non-law enforcement officers, AI even, analyzing and assessing data. Once you start categorizing people as the data sets, you can justify a lot of stuff. So I think it’s a real slippery slope.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and here’s my big problem. Most of the speed limits are set artificially low. And, folks, I don’t say this as a big lead foot, okay? But seriously, a lot of places where they’re 30, they could easily be 40, and there would be no danger increase.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 13 :
I drive left-handed, so I can’t even see how fast I’m going when I’m driving. So I have to constantly pull up my arm. That’s more dangerous than whatever speed I’m going.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, when they increased the speed limits north and south of town on I-25 to 75 from the old 65, there was no noticeable increase in accidents. Okay. Most of it has to do with the difference in speed between you and other cars on the road. If you’re all going roughly the same speed, you feel still to one another. Okay. But if somebody is doing, say, 25 over, okay, then they’re blown by you. And that can be dangerous. Let me ask you guys really quick here. I’ve got about a minute. If somebody is going, say, 15 miles an hour over the speed limit, and it’s 40, and they’re going 55, do you feel unsafe because of that?
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s my drive to work. That’s every day.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t feel unsafe because they’re going 15 over. I don’t because I don’t want to get a ticket. But, I mean, let’s say they do. I mean… When people are reckless drivers, zip in and out, back forth, back forth, or they’re brake checking all the time, that kind of stuff, that’s dangerous. But just a little extra speed, is it really that dangerous?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, the swerving in and out, brake checking, or riding on someone’s… Behind. Yeah, behind, that’s the problem. And there’s a lot of that here. And I think if you increase the speed, there might be less of that. Because people aren’t so antsy to get out from behind someone.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Last thing here really quick. I get annoyed at these, you know, those plastic things in neighborhoods that looks like a little kid and it says slow down. It’s like, look, guys, I always watch for kids very carefully when I’m going through a neighborhood. But why don’t you keep your kids out of the street? True. Am I being too mean here?
SPEAKER 15 :
I like playing to the freeway.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I mean, I think we should all watch for the kids. I want to be careful. But for crying out loud, you know, you put these things out telling everybody else to slow down. And my answer is, why is your kid in the street? I’ll do my part, but do yours.
SPEAKER 13 :
Also, lady, I live here too. I can go however fast I want in this lane.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. Not as fast as you want. Okay. Gentlemen, thanks for joining me today. Thank you, Tanner. Thank you, Luke. And you guys have a fantastic Thanksgiving murdering whatever bird you happen to find on the way. That’s it for our number one. And now we’re two. Richard Rush is going to join us for NFL picks. And then Jersey Joe brings politics and humor. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 05 :
Bye. Bye.
