Join host John Rush as he dives into a spirited discussion with Andy Pate and Charlie Grimes, touching on topics from Thanksgiving adventures to the current state of public dress etiquette. The episode reflects on how dressing up can improve public perception and treatment, linking it to larger societal trends driven by political ideologies. The conversation then shifts to a heavier topic: the upcoming political landscape in Colorado. With a critical analysis of the MAGA movement’s influence, John and Andy discuss why they believe local candidates need to distance themselves from it to succeed in future elections. Listen in
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And we are ready. Tuesday, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and thanks for covering Andy last week. I appreciate it. Always happy to do it, sir. Always fun. You had a good Thanksgiving, I assume?
SPEAKER 13 :
We had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Nice. Yes, just me and Corey. We bought… We decided to get crazy. We got the biggest turkey on earth. Oh, wow. Not really, but it was 28 pounds. Oh, that’s big. And we cut it in half and tried one smoked and one in the oven. Both came out good. We just wanted to do something a little different. And since there’s only two of us, I think we’re going to have to get used to turkey.
SPEAKER 04 :
You got turkey for a while.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, we are. How about you? How was your vacation?
SPEAKER 04 :
It was good. Very good. Enjoyed it. Talked a little bit about it yesterday. And, yep, always fun.
SPEAKER 13 :
I wasn’t here, so I know you don’t want to talk too much the same stuff, but any travel stories? Did you deal with anybody on the planes?
SPEAKER 04 :
We had a few yesterday, or that I talked about yesterday that were good. I think ultimately, and what I talked about quite a bit yesterday, was just Transportation Secretary Sean Duffino talking about how we need to start dressing up. Americans, stop being slobs. And he is so right. We have become just this country of pigs.
SPEAKER 13 :
So he wants us to dress. Can I still wear Packer shirts? I mean, is this on?
SPEAKER 04 :
You can wear whatever you want. If you want to wear something that awful, go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
If you ever wore a Packer shirt, you’d know that you’d hit rock bottom in your life.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. That’s exactly right. Sean says no Packer shirts.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, ultimately, I mean, he’s just right. It’s just, you just look around and it’s just like, and I explained it this way, Andy, and I don’t think I’m too far off. And just kind of rehash for some of you that maybe didn’t listen to yesterday’s program. I believe, this is my opinion, and I don’t think I’m wrong. And I had a couple of guests even that, when I shared this with them, they actually, they were like, huh, never really thought about that. So it’s not a bad take. Marxism, which takes the life out of everything.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Gets everybody down to literally the bottom of the bottom of the bottom. And I think, Andy, that even includes how we look, how we dress, how we act. I think it goes across the board. In other words, the more of a pig slob nation we become… The more Marxism fills in, because really, what’s there to attain to? Because Marxism says, we’re all equal. We’re all the same. What do I need to attain to? We all get a trophy. So, Andy, at the end of the day, what am I working towards?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, are you going to be upset when I show up in a tie-dye shirt on Friday?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll go right ahead. It’s better than a Packer shirt, so we’re all good. It’ll be green and gold tie-dye, of course. I mean, and it’s even… You know, and I get, you know, guys, a lot of guys will wear, you know, T-shirts to travel and they do things that are comfortable. And that’s not really even it for me. It’s the whole I’m going to wear my jammies and slippers on the airplane end of things. It’s just gotten the point, Andy, to where we’ve just become a nation of slobs.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, there’s two that really get me. The jammies and slippers thing is too much. You know, I’m just like, come on. But also some people, how do I put this gently, haven’t bathed well enough and they’re going into close quarters with a bunch of other people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I don’t like that job. Andy, believe me, I see it constantly and talked about it quite a bit yesterday. And it really it’s to the point where if you dress up slightly, I mean, slightly, you’re now way above the crowd. I mean, you can wear jeans, tennis shoes, and just put a collared shirt on, and you’re way above the crowd. I mean, you don’t have to do much. You don’t have to wear a suit anymore to actually be above the crowd. I’m going to wear a tux next time I fly. I mean, Andy, and here’s what I do know. You do. You get treated better. I mean, if you actually did that, and I know you’re being funny, but if you actually did that, you actually would get treated better than the majority of the plane would, because that’s how it works. Well, the tux is overdoing it, but yeah, if you’re in a suit… Psychologically, people will respect you for dressing nicer. It’s why, you know, back in the day, and it’s not that way anymore, back in the day, bankers, you know, even guys that worked at IBM had to wear a tie, and if you’re an upper manager, you had to wear a coat and a tie. Even if you’re on the floor and a salesperson, you had to wear a tie, and if you worked in a bank, you wore a suit, and Andy, those days are gone. We don’t do that anymore.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I mean, you’ve got billionaires wearing T-shirts while giving talks. I mean, it’s a new age. I understand. What about this? I want to ask you one last question. No, you’re fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Take your time. We’re good.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Do you miss not doing the family Thanksgiving thing? Because I know you’ve done a million of those.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, not a bit.
SPEAKER 13 :
you know, and the family gets together and it’s the big thing and everybody, kids running around and all that. No, because I know you, you are a big time grandfather. I mean, you love being around those kids. That’s why I asked. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I do, although the holidays make everything stressful, including them, and it’s not as fun as if you take another day and basically do the same thing and take the stress out of it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Just do it on another day.
SPEAKER 04 :
So for me, doing it a different day actually makes it more fun when it’s all said and done. And I know that’s weird and most people don’t look at it that way because there’s family traditions and all that sort of stuff. But no, I like doing it either after everything’s done or in between or whatever because at the end of the day, you actually get better quality time.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I know you like to fire up the smoker. Do you have some big day coming for the fam coming up this, you know, sometime in December?
SPEAKER 04 :
We’ll do prime rib for that. Well, that’s what I mean. Yeah, absolutely. Smoking a prime rib. Absolutely. Always good. Anyways, it’s always fun. Okay. All right. So, question of the day. Yes. What is the one-word name for the white blood cells that act as the body’s front-line defenders, silently coordinating to protect us from bacteria, viruses, parasites, and even damaged cells? And I didn’t know this answer, so this is way above my pay grade.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Any idea, Charlie? No, neither. Okay, that’s a good question today because none of us know the answer. Answer that, by the way, on our Facebook page. Go there and do that. Okay, when I come back, I talked about this a little bit yesterday, but I wanted Andy’s opinion, so I saved this for our first segment when we come back here from this first break. And that is why I feel… And maybe Andy’s got a different opinion on this, but why I feel upcoming 2026, Colorado specifically, I think this applies to other states as well, but specifically in Colorado, I feel like if you’re going to be a candidate and run for office, you need to distance yourself from MAGA. And I’ll talk about that when I come back.
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All right, we are back. Tuesday edition again, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate with me. Okay. Yeah. Let me first explain. I was talking about this a little bit yesterday. Nope. And I feel like if you’re going to run in 2026 as a Colorado candidate, so Colorado Republican candidate, that you need to distance yourselves from MAGA. Now, let me start by explaining what I feel in this case MAGA would be, because I think there’s a lot of folks out there that have different definitions of what MAGA actually is. And I had some… some uh back and forth with a couple of textures along these lines some people out there feel that you know donald trump even though he started maga has left the maga movement and on and on we go which by the way none of that is true you’re a psycho if you think so because no he hasn’t left anything they think you know donald trump’s now a big rhino andy and you know he hasn’t done enough when it comes to the epstein files and this that and the other i mean they’re all waiting for this smoking gun that donald trump is supposed to be delivering that frankly andy doesn’t exist okay It’s not there. So the reason why I say, as a candidate, in Colorado especially, distance yourself from MAGA, I consider that MAGA group, those that want the Epstein files released, they’re bound to determine there’s something in there that’s going to incriminate something that’s going to allow us to move ahead election-wise and somehow drive the party forward because there’s just some damning evidence there, Andy, at the end of the day that’s going to somehow set all Republicans free, and that’s the MAGA group. part of the movement or what i’m considering to be the mega part of the movement if you’re going to be a colorado gop candidate you’ve got to distance yourself from those individuals that’s what i mean
SPEAKER 13 :
OK, you’re talking about Libertarian MAGA, basically, because they’re the ones Libertarian MAGA. They’re the group that believe that Trump is no longer MAGA. But why? Because their vision of Trump was to be a pure peacenik pacifist, anti-Israel and release the files no matter what.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
Regardless of consequences and so forth. And let me just state this. And I stated this last week while you were gone. I was never for flat out releasing the files. It was a foolish idea. Agree. Trump has gone back and, you know, and Luke mentioned this. Trump has gone back and forth on it. And he said, why was that? I said, well, that’s because that’s Trump. Trump always says what’s on his mind in the moment. Right. He doesn’t have a consistent message. He never has. It’s always been what’s on his mind at the moment, always to advance American interests. OK, that’s what that’s what Trump is for. I’ve never been for releasing all the files. Why? Because they were in the hands of the left for four years. That means that the chain of custody of those files has been broken terribly, and you have no idea what’s been added and subtracted.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely, Andy. Fully agree with you.
SPEAKER 13 :
They’re totally corrupt. I mean, you have no idea. If you knew that they had not messed with them for four years, which, of course, we don’t, but if you knew that, I’d be like, oh, yeah, release files.
SPEAKER 04 :
No problem. But that’s not the case, as you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Of course not. That’s like having the mafia be in charge of a crime scene for four years and hoping they never planted evidence. Well, that’s crazy.
SPEAKER 04 :
He has a really simple explanation. That would be like taking the file boxes that Joe Biden had next to his Corvette in the garage and saying nothing’s ever happened to them. Right. Right. Same situation.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. Now, don’t get me wrong. Are there things in the files that could incriminate some people who you want incriminated? Sure. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re going to have to find all kinds of corroborating evidence with each one of those. Now, getting back to, has Trump left MAGA? Of course he isn’t. Trump is MAGA. He hasn’t left it. He is MAGA. MAGA was always about putting American interests first. American interests first. Always. Okay? And guess what? In foreign policy, that can be an aggressive stance or a pacifist stance. He can go either way. He bounces back and forth. That’s the whole idea of MAGA. MAGA was never a Lindsey Graham bomb everybody into submission or a Rand Paul run from every confrontation no matter what and say nothing is in America’s interest.
SPEAKER 04 :
Donald Trump’s in the middle of that, which you and I are as well. Sometimes you need to use force. Sometimes you don’t. It depends on the circumstances. Every one of them is moldable depending upon what you want the outcome to be and so on.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, getting, exactly. Oh, yeah, perfectly put. Okay, so getting back to, do I believe that Colorado candidates should distance themselves from MAGA? First of all, I just wanted to make sure we understood what part of MAGA. You’re talking about Libertarian MAGA.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, which is really the hardcore rhino watch because they would consider that is libertarian. It is. And they would consider themselves to be, you know, very much MAGA. And you’re right. I didn’t think about their angry crackpots. They’re very much in that same group. And those are the ones. Yes, I’m with you. Those are the ones I’m talking about. You’ve got to distance yourself from.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. A lot of these people are libertarians. First of all, they have no loyalty whatsoever to the Republican Party.
SPEAKER 04 :
Zero.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Secondly, they felt that they could co-opt Trump and Vance, and they’re still hopeful in Vance. They felt that they could co-opt Trump and Vance enough to basically finally get their presidency without winning. And that was their goal. And now that Trump is not doing everything they want, even though he’s doing an awful lot that they want, now that he’s not doing everything they want.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re mad.
SPEAKER 13 :
They’re mad, and they say he’s left MAGA.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. And by the way, for those of you that maybe didn’t hear me talk about this yesterday, that’s where the Marjorie Taylor Greens of the world come into play. She’s taking her ball and going home. She’s mad. She’s not getting everything that she wanted. She’ll come out and tell you how she supported Donald Trump here and supported Donald Trump there, which, by the way, she did. But now that he’s not doing every single thing that she thinks he should be doing, and she’s an anti-Israel Jew hater as well. Yes. And given the fact that she is that way, she’s mad, she’s taking her ball home, and she’s a very, very poor conservative at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Well, and look at the timing. Look, if she did not—she’s doing this to spite the Republican Party, of course. If not, she would have served out her term and said, at the close of my term, I’m going to step down. Right. I don’t want to be part of this anymore. Instead, she stays just long enough to get her pension. Right. Which, by the way, I understand. I get that everybody would want their pension. Sure. And then she’s putting the Republicans in a heck of a place having to replace her. It’s going to have to be, I believe, with the special election.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is, and it’s costly to do those, as you know. So it drains resources that could go some other place.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. It’s going to be very messy. And, by the way, we could actually lose that special election. I don’t think we will, but we could. You want to know why? Because her supporters may not vote for the Republicans.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because they’re Looney Tunes just like she is.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. They’re crazies, they’re bitter, and they may not vote for the Republican. We could actually lose that seat.
SPEAKER 04 :
I didn’t think about that. Good point.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, good point, Andy.
SPEAKER 13 :
Here’s the problem with Republicans distancing themselves from MAGA as a whole. First of all, you can’t bash MAGA. If you do that, you’re done. All right? Because you’re going to lose your base. Without your base, as a Republican in Colorado, you’re finished. OK, because at that point, you’ve got to outduel the Democrat by a long shot in getting those unaffiliated voters. You’re not going to be able to do it. OK, the unaffiliated is already lean left in Colorado. That’s not going to work.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
So by distancing yourself, do you mean not embrace or do you mean bash, Max?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I don’t think you need to do any bashing. I’m not saying that at all. But I think you need to do, and I’m going to get into this in a moment with some things that have happened as of late with one of the GOP governor candidates. And I’ll explain what I mean by this. But yeah, you don’t need to bash anybody. But I do think you need to say, listen, let me set the record straight. A lot of what even Andy and I have just said, you could publicly say the exact same thing as we just said. Don’t have to bash anybody, but set the record straight that I’m not in that crowd. I don’t believe, you know, I don’t believe in one full way or the other full way. I’m in the middle, much like what you and I just talked about a moment ago. You could say that very well. And at that point in time, you’re excluding yourself from those hardcore rhino watch MAGA weirdos.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Here would be my answer really quickly. If I’m the candidate and I’m asked about MAGA, OK, Trump and MAGA, I would say, do I support Trump and MAGA? Well, the question the answer is I support you. So anytime Trump and MAGA support you and your your interests, then I support them. If they don’t, I don’t. And the simple fact is Trump has done an awful lot of stuff that is very good for your interests. He’s bringing $20 trillion in investment into America. He has demolished tariffs on our products going out all over the world where we’re going to be able to sell to markets everywhere around the world where we haven’t been able to. That’s going to create a lot of jobs. Are jobs good for you? Yes. Therefore, that’s good for you. Have oil prices come down dramatically and gas prices down dramatically? They’re at the lowest in five years since he was here before. Am I for that? Yes. Why? It’s for you. OK. And so I would reel off a bunch of good things that MAGA and Trump have brought to you. And I would say, you know, am I for a completely secure border? Yes, to where we fully screen anybody who comes in and we get rid of dangerous influence. Yes, absolutely. That’s good for you. And Trump and MAGA have brought that. You see? So when are we good for, you know, am I supportive of shutting down crime in the inner cities and taking aggressive stances to do so? And do I oppose these liberal judges who put these dangerous people back on the street where they can harm you? Yes, absolutely. So guess what? I align with MAGA there, and MAGA aligns with you. I put you first. But if you want to align me with every single statement made by every single MAGA person ever… That’s crazy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and to me, that’s where I think if – How’s that for an answer? Yeah, no, you’re right on. And I said this yesterday because there are – I’m sure there will be candidates that are listening yesterday that will throw their hat in the ring for 2026. Yeah. And some may already have done that. And, again, my advice is in Colorado, where you need that middle-of-the-road voter, you cannot win without them. And let me tell you what, those people – just the word MAGA in general to a lot of them is a turnoff. Right. Even though it shouldn’t be, the fact of the matter is, it is. So given that’s the market, Andy, that we talk about continually, I would be a candidate that would be more of the type to say, you know, I know there’s a lot of MAGA folks out there that believe in XYZ, and this is where I do align with them, but let me tell you what, am I a part of everything they believe in? Absolutely not. 100% no. And I would say that publicly, to make sure the people in the middle know I’m not affiliated that way in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think if you go that far, MAGA will abandon you and turn on you.
SPEAKER 04 :
So what?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, no, you’ll lose. You can’t win without the MAGA base, okay? I’m saying, I would say it, but I would structure it differently. That’s all I’m saying. I wouldn’t say, how’d you put it again?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t align myself with them.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t align myself with them. I would say this. MAGA’s a big, diverse group. Are there elements of MAGA who I would not align with? Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay? Guess what? There’s a lot of elements I would align with. Here’s what I’d really like to see. I would like to see people in MAGA and people outside of MAGA getting together and talking more. I think you’re going to find out that there’s nothing wrong with people wanting crime off your streets, wanting the homeless taken care of and put in places, wanting this and this and this. But that’s what I would say. Are there elements of MAGA that I oppose? Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, for me personally, I would do my very best to even avoid using those words. If you don’t have to use MAGA, don’t. In other words, if you can say everything Andy just said and not even throw MAGA into the equation, don’t.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, but we’re assuming you’re going to be pressed on it because the media wants to tie you to MAGA because everything you’ve just been saying, John, is correct. MAGA doesn’t sell in Colorado.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not at all.
SPEAKER 13 :
MAGA and Trump do not sell overall in Colorado. They don’t. And so the media is going to want to tie you to it. So the question is, how do you answer that? How do you deal with that? And what I’m saying is… You can’t abandon MAGA, then you’re going to lose because you’re going to lose your base. And by the way, they’re also loyalists who are going to do most of the work on your campaign. And they’re going to donate. On the other hand, you cannot embrace MAGA because then you’re embracing something that doesn’t sell in this market, right? So what you do is say, I’m for you. Look, MAGA, first of all, I think that you believe MAGA is one thing. MAGA is very diverse. They’re proud of that. It’s a coalition. So if you’re going to ask me, do I agree with everything said by every person in MAGA, the answer is no. Here is my due north. I support you. I’m the candidate. I support you. I support whatever is going to be good for you. And I believe in a lot of cases MAGA agrees with that. In some cases, some people in MAGA don’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good answer. Good answer. My point is, and this is one of Andy’s thoughts on it, which he’s doing a good job of, is as a candidate, because this is something, by the way, I don’t think anybody thinks about any. Most people just say, well, this is who I am. I’m going to run on this. Okay, great, but you’re going to lose. Right. If you’re not thinking about the market and what you should say and how you should couch your answers and so on, if you’re just going to come out and be me, John Rush, every day and spew out on the airways what you want to spew out because I’m a host and I can do that, great, good for you, but you’re going to lose. Right. You’re not going to win.
SPEAKER 13 :
What we do here is not campaigning.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I’m not campaigning for anything. I’m not trying to win anything.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, this is commentary.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. We are moving people’s minds. There’s no question. We do. Okay. But we’re not campaigning here. If we were, we would have to coach things differently. We would. That’s part of the reason people like listening to talk radio is they don’t want to listen to candidates. They want to listen to straight talk. And that’s what we give.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. If you’re a candidate on the stump, yeah, you’re going to have to do that differently. By the way, geez, I’m suddenly spacing his name. The Senate candidate who lost last time around for us. Liberal.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, O’Day. O’Day. O’Day lost to Bennett.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. This was a big mistake O’Day made. He openly distanced himself from Trump at one point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct, which was stupid. Right. Never should have done that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. He went too far.
SPEAKER 04 :
Bad idea.
SPEAKER 13 :
And the base turned on him. And suddenly he had no energy in his base behind him.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. And all that energy that would go door knocking, all that energy that would make the phone calls.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, he actually had the… In fact, it went so far the opposite way, Andy. They campaigned against him.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Right. And I’m not even talking about Hanks, who was literally calling on his supporters not to vote for him. I’m saying, you know, the worst part is he made Hanks look a little bit right. Right. A little bit correct in that.
SPEAKER 04 :
At times.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Yeah. You don’t go after Trump. That’s crazy. Why would you do that? What you do is say, I’m for you. Right. Anytime. And here’s what I’ve always said. And I’ve even said this to some liberals. They say, well, do you support Donald Trump? And I say, well, first of all, I support you. OK, anytime Trump does something that benefits you, I support it. If he doesn’t, I don’t. So if Donald Trump wants to lower the price of oil, which means gas, which puts more money in your pocket, if he wants to create jobs, if he wants to get choice in education so you can choose where to put your kids in school, I support that. If he wants to get in a Twitter war with an athlete, I don’t. Why? It doesn’t benefit you. How does that benefit you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 13 :
See what I’m saying? And so like, look, let me give an example. I don’t support Trump wanting. I don’t even like the talk of a land invasion in Venezuela, any kind of going on land with our military in Venezuela. Okay. I love what we’re doing with their boats. I think it’s fantastic. Get those drug boats. I think we’re doing it on good Intel and I trust it. I think it’s good there. We are doing so many good things to make it very hard to get drugs into our country. We’re doing great. No invasion because that’s what it’s going to be called is an invasion. Okay. There’s an example of me disagreeing with Trump, right? Does that mean I don’t support Trump? No, you know me. I love Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
OK, so I think here’s the big thing. And I’ll close with this. The media, when they come to a Republican candidate here in Colorado, the reason they want to tie you to Trump and MAGA is because it doesn’t sell. Right. So the key is you’ve got to make it clear you’re trying to tie me 100 percent to someone who isn’t me. I’m just going to be me. Okay. And I’m going to serve you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And again, for those of you that are listening, that might find yourself in that realm, you’re thinking about running, you’ve already thrown your hat in the ring. No, we’re not consulting politically speaking on the show, but I guess in a way we are because I like winning. I’m tired. of losing we need a better battle plan in colorado on how to win the rhino watch looney tunes have no idea on god’s green earth how to win anything that they couldn’t win a little league game if everything was stacked in their favor i mean at the end of the day these guys can’t win anything andy because they don’t know how rhino watch in colorado does something that’s amazing i call it anti-marketing correct they literally drive people away
SPEAKER 13 :
from our candidates. It’s amazing.
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SPEAKER 15 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And again, going back to just our last topic momentarily, this is a big deal because, again, as I said a moment ago, I’m tired of losing. I want a game plan on how to win. I’m not the GOP chair. As Andy said, I’m simply a commentator on air that can look at things really from all angles because, A, I talk to a lot of different people. Andy and I interview a lot of different people. By the way, those are people from… coast to coast or even around the world sometimes. I think we know fairly well, being in my case a Colorado native, and Andy’s lived here for a long time, I know the market in Colorado. I know the reasons we’ve lost in the past because of the market in Colorado. I know the lack of planning in some cases from candidates when it comes to winning in Colorado. We have to fix those things if we plan on winning moving ahead. No, this isn’t just a money thing. No, it’s not just donations that come in or don’t come in. That has very little to do with winning at the end of the day. It really comes down to the strategy of the candidate themselves when it comes to winning. And unfortunately, a lot of them don’t listen to good, solid advice. No, they don’t. I don’t know how else to say it, Andy.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, but you know what? They’re not alone because neither does the body, the Republican body out there. How many Republicans are out there right now? Right now, we are in between election cycles.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
okay, this is the time right now when Republicans out there every day should be winning people more to our side, moving them our way on issue by issue by issue by issue. How much of that is going on?
SPEAKER 04 :
Very, very little, if any.
SPEAKER 13 :
None. Virtually none. I mean, you know, there’s always a little, but not much. Right. Virtually none. And this is something I see people on online all the time. And that is the new place where people talk politics. It’s online. I see virtually no persuasion. I see virtually no conversion. I see virtually no. reasoned debate. I see virtually nothing, John. We are not winning voters our way. And then come election time, we want our candidate to bail us out for all the work we have not done for the last 10, 12, 14, 16 months, right? We want them to bail us out and suddenly be brilliant and win everybody. And I don’t think that’s fair to the candidates. I think our laziness puts the candidates in a real bad spot come election time.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t argue with you on that one, Andy. In fact, it’s, you know, it again, it’s not just a Canada issue, although they’re the ones that are having to do the messaging and they’re the ones that are running against an opponent and so on. So it is, although, to your point, it’s a party issue to a large extent because, you know, party-wise, we don’t do a very good job of converting folks over to our side on a routine basis. Again, we have this attitude as Republicans. And right, wrong, or otherwise, this is the attitude. It’s our way or the highway. Yes. You’re doing it my way or we’re not doing it at all, period. And while even I, to a lot of extent, am that way, I realize that when it comes to winning, though, and selling, let’s say it that way because winning is selling properly if you’re going to win. Yeah. When it comes to selling, no, I’m not that way. I wouldn’t have been as successful in business as I’ve been had I had that attitude of it’s either my way or the highway because when you have that attitude, you go broke.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
You don’t win anything.
SPEAKER 13 :
John, what happened to MAGA? What happened to the Republican Party? What I mean is this. The leader of our party is the great dealmaker, right? I mean, it’s the art of the deal. He’s the one who reaches out. Politically, Donald Trump is a moderate. OK, he’s a he’s a big time moderate. He is not a far right winger like, say, a Ted Cruz. Right. I mean, he’s always been a moderate. He’s always been somebody who reaches across the aisle, who forms coalition. Most of his views are 60 plus percentage views where the public actually agrees with most of his views. And yet they look at MAGA and Trump as my way or the highway. Why he’s a dictator. And my MAGA friends, all they want to do is talk down to me and say I hate America if I don’t agree with Trump 100%.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s what has to end. I know. Because while you may not think you’re perceived that way, you are. And what’s the old saying? Perception is 90% of reality. So if your friends are perceiving you that way, you’ve not messaged very well and you need to change how you’re messaging to other people.
SPEAKER 13 :
Do you think this comes back to the frustrations that so many Republicans have had? Yeah, because so many Republicans, they look at the quote-unquote open-minded Republicans, the ones who are willing to compromise, who are open-minded and discuss and discuss ideas with the left and with people in the middle. And they look at them and they say, you know what? Over the last few decades, you have compromised away all my freedoms.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, you’re right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And therefore, I’ve got to draw a hard line.
SPEAKER 04 :
Otherwise, I’m not going to get what I want when it’s all said and done. I’m going to lose the country if I don’t. Right. I’m going to get overrun.
SPEAKER 13 :
So they have been put into that position. Here’s the problem. That position has convinced an entire country that MAGA is toxic.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Everybody outside of MAGA looks at MAGA as toxic.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. And in some cases, by the way, depending upon, back to what we talked about as we opened up the show here last segment, depending upon what part of MAGA you’re in, i.e. the Rhino Watch end of things, you are toxic.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
You very much are. It runs on rage.
SPEAKER 13 :
That part of the party runs solely on rage.
SPEAKER 04 :
And here’s the problem that I have with the folks at Rhino Watch and the Rhino Watchers that are out there calling themselves MAGA is you’re now giving everybody that thinks that way and even is MAGA slightly, you’re giving everybody a black eye because of your bozoness.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, yeah, because think about this for a moment. Be strategic, John. You’re a very strategic guy. Let’s say you’re on the left and you’re in the media. Who on our side are you going to put the camera on?
SPEAKER 04 :
Them.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, Rhino Watch.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because they’re knuckleheads.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the Rhino Watch, Davidian types.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re going to interview them. You’re going to do anything you possibly can to shove them to the top of the list.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly, the rage-based crowd. You’re going to put the camera on them. Why? You want people to think that is MAGA. That’s right. Guess what? That’s only a portion of MAGA. One thing I would say as a candidate, if I was asked about MAGA and so forth, I would say— Go ahead. No, I would say, you know, it’s funny.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which part of MAGA are you talking about is what I would want to say.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you. You went right where I was going.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which part? You know, it’s divided up into several different segments. Which segment are you talking about?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, which part of MAGA? Which part of Trump’s coalition?
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Because there’s not just one. Just like, by the way, on the left, there’s not just one. You’ve got the Bernie Sanders AOC crowd and Mondami who believe in total Marxism-Communism, and yet you as a Democrat probably don’t believe that same way.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. Exactly. And by the way, if there are any prospective candidates out there or anybody who knows a Republican candidate out there, listen very closely to what I’m about to say. Because you don’t if you don’t want to distance yourself from MAGA in a way that’s negative. In other words, you don’t want to bastardize MAGA.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
OK, that’s bad because then you’re only helping the left.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Cast us all in the worst light. Cast us all as the rhino watchers. All right. So here is what you do. You make MAGA sound good. You say, well, which part of MAGA are you saying? And then you sell a wonderful thing about MAGA. Here’s the greatest thing about MAGA. It’s diverse. Donald Trump is a moderate who reaches out not only to all wings of the party, but to many wings of the American people.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. And so I would say is this. Your question, no offense, I understand your question, but it presumes that MAGA is just one group of rubber stamps for whatever Donald Trump thinks at the moment.
SPEAKER 04 :
When it’s a very diverse group of individuals.
SPEAKER 13 :
This is an incredibly, here’s the wonderful thing about MAGA. It’s the most diverse coalition ever formed.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
I mean, it has Tulsi Gabbard.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you have to explain that in that way, or the average person’s not going to understand. So those of you that, again, that are thinking about running, that are throwing your hat into the ring, or you’re thinking about putting your hat in the ring, you need to listen to these things and take heart to it, because if you’re not going to have these conversations on the campaign trail, you’re going to lose.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. And I would say MAGA has Tulsi Gabbard and Marco Rubio. It has Rand Paul and RFK. It’s all over the place.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s got Elon Musk, who at one point in time was a raging liberal.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’ve got it. It’s a vast group of individuals, which, oh, by the way, you know, Elon Musk doesn’t agree with every single thing Donald Trump does either. But yet at the end of the day, they can still move the football forward.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. And then I would look at let’s say you’re the reporter right now. And I’d say it has this person, this person, this person, this person. And so the question is, what unites them all to be under MAGA? And the answer is right there in the term. Make America great again. They’re not going to agree on every way to make America great. They’re going to disagree on some things. They’re going to say we need to do more of this, less of that, more of that, less of this. But here’s the answer for you. Do I agree with the concept of making America as great as it can be for you?
SPEAKER 04 :
And the answer is yes. That’s exactly how you got to do it. The problem is, Andy, we’re not training our candidates to do what you and I just talked about.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, because our candidates instead reflectively say, I’m 100% for Trump. Look, you may be. By the way, I pretty much am. But that’s going to be painted.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for tuning in today, by the way. We appreciate it. Okay, an example of where I think this particular candidate is doing it correctly but is being criticized by the hardcore, I would call these folks even some of the, you know, rhino watchers that are out there because he didn’t answer questions in the way that they felt needed. He should be, and that would be Victor Marks, who, by the way, I don’t have any hat in the ring on any particular candidate. I talk about them all in the same way. I’m just talking about this because it came up on my feed this morning from people being critical of Victor. He did a podcast recently. They were doing some interviews. The head of Right to Life in Colorado, Bjork, what’s her first name? Bjorklund’s her last name. Sherry Bjorklund. Yeah, Sherry. And just so you know really quick here, she is— The wife of—
SPEAKER 13 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you can finish. Is it Tom? Yeah. Tom Bjorklund. Who was the previous Dave Williams treasurer, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
Sherry is also, though, she’s actually more, from what I’ve seen, more emotional than her husband. And what I mean is this. If you took the Rhino Watch Davidian mindset…
SPEAKER 04 :
and multiplied it by 10 that would be her right she is as extreme of the extreme as you can get go ahead so there was an interview on one of the podcasters of late i don’t know the individual i don’t listen to podcasts so frankly don’t care because it’s not in my wheelhouse of what i do i don’t listen you guys all know i don’t listen to anybody else i don’t listen to other radio hosts i don’t listen to other stations i don’t listen to podcasts and partly because i don’t want to be corrupted by anybody else. I don’t want to pick up any more bad habits than, frankly, I already have, and everybody has them. There’s no such thing as talent out there that doesn’t have a bad habit. I don’t want to pick up anything from anybody else, and I want to be fresh and new on my own. Now, all that being said, Victor Marks did an interview of late, and Sherry, in this particular case, asked him where he stood on abortion. And Victor is now getting slammed by a lot of people in the Rhinowatch category of the party because he… He didn’t come right out and say, well, I am blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I am unwavering, and, and, and. And basically he’s being criticized for, get this, in my opinion, for being a lot more calculated in his answers and pausing to make sure he was saying the right things so that as he moves his campaign forward, nothing can be used against him. That’s how I saw his answers, but that’s not how the rhino watchers of the world see it.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, there was a link for this I tried to click on and couldn’t listen to it. I wanted to listen to it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I tried. I didn’t have enough time today, Andy, but I wish I could have.
SPEAKER 13 :
Let me just say this. First of all, his basic strategy is actually a good one because you’re right. You can’t simply embrace hardline pro-life. You can’t be John Rush and Andy Pate. That’s right. You cannot be me. Okay. That’s right. So here’s what I would do, and I told you this at break. I would say, well, are you asking my view or are you asking what should govern Colorado? You see, because here’s the thing. I can give you my views, but I don’t want all of my views made into everybody’s laws. I’m happy to give you my abortion views, happy to, but I don’t want every activist thought I have to be suddenly made into Colorado’s laws. We’ve had that for eight years.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would never do that to anybody.
SPEAKER 13 :
We’ve had that for eight years with Jared Polis.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, can’t do that. That doesn’t work.
SPEAKER 13 :
Every activist’s desire that Jared Polz has, he makes into your laws. Do you want more of that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, I’m not going to do that. Now, here are my views on abortion. I’m pro-life. I believe that life begins at conception. I believe this and this and this. Okay, there you go. All right? I believe… Now, for Colorado, I believe that a majority would like to see… A couple things like late-term abortion. I think a majority definitely oppose late-term abortion.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think you could probably find a majority who are against tax funding. You definitely will not find a majority of Coloradans who support tax-funded abortions up to the day of birth. So why do we have it? Once again, because you have a governor and his legislature who simply take any of their beliefs and make them into your laws. I wouldn’t do that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
How’s that go?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I agree. And again, I wish I had time today. I didn’t. I had other things going on this morning where I didn’t have time to actually go and take a listen to that particular episode. And frankly, don’t need to. I mean, I saw enough of the responses to what he said to frankly know he did it correctly. Bear with me when I say that. In other words, the anger folk were so mad that he didn’t do things the way they thought he should that what that tells me is he did it correctly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Well, what you’re seeing is you’re judging him by the response of the rage crowd.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
The rage crowd on this issue wants him to come out and say, I’m 100% pro-life, and that is what I will pursue as your governor, which is an absolute guaranteed losing strategy. So what they want, the rage crowd wants a candidate absolutely guaranteed to have a thundering loss in 2026. Right. And you’re looking at that as John Rush, and you’re saying, look, the people who want him to give an answer that guarantees a massive loss don’t like his answer.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. That’s right. You’re 100% correct.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that’s a good sign, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re exactly right. So, again, I look at what – and, again, I did not listen to the exact thing that, you know, Victor said, and maybe I would change my mind if I did. But, frankly, I know enough of these people that are responding that are upset about it to – literally tell me right then and there that okay he must have done a pretty good job or they wouldn’t be upset
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the only disagreement I’m going to have with him, just from what I’ve heard, he hemmed and hawed some. Don’t do that. Have clear, crisp, ready answers.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is a big issue. And I have to be careful even in that, Andy, because I didn’t listen to it. I don’t know if he hem-hawed around or if he just paused.
SPEAKER 13 :
Maybe they took it as hemming and hawing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, these are people that are saying he hem-hawed around. But if he just took a quiet moment, paused before he actually gave an answer, that’s not hem-hawing around. That’s being calculated in your answer.
SPEAKER 13 :
John, do you believe… Right, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. Okay, so I want to make sure we’re clear on that. I don’t know if he did a, well, I don’t know, let me think. And by the way, he’s enough of a public speaker where I find it very hard to believe that he would have said, well, let me think about… No, he’s too good of a speaker, Andy, to have said something along those lines. My guess is he probably just had a pause and said, well, here’s what I really think about X. Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
They want a white knight.
SPEAKER 04 :
But they want a guy that will just come right out. Oh, man, I can tell you immediately. They almost want an interruption. Oh, I’ll tell you right where I stand on that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, here’s what they want. They want a white knight who can come riding in on his white horse, who is totally pro-life, and who will be so brilliant with it that he will overnight convince 51% of Colorado voters to be pro-life with them and change all those laws. That’s what they want.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, here’s a great text that just came in. Once, Andy said that the left trains people how to sabotage the Republicans as plants. What’s the chances that the rhino watchers are plants? You guys just did say that rhino watchers were very good at helping the Republicans lose. Just a thought. By the way, not a bad thought.
SPEAKER 13 :
Would I be surprised? Obviously, I don’t know. I’m not in their meetings. I don’t know them personally. Would I be surprised if a portion of them are plants? Not at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Me neither.
SPEAKER 13 :
I mean, when they’re acting in ways that are to bring us down, there you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think some of the super hardcore parts of them are truly in their minds, super hardcore conservatives that have never done anything wrong along those lines. And I think they in their heart feel like they’re doing everything possible to actually move the party forward. Unfortunately, they’re very, very misguided. And frankly, they’ve got to screw loose because they’re not looking at things correctly. They never look in the mirror at their very own selves as to what they’re doing and are what they’re doing. or is what they’re doing actually bringing the party forward or setting it back, they won’t have that sincere discussion with themselves.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, not at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
So now, are there others that have – because this is how the left works. The left will look at an organization like that and say, man, we need some more people in there that will help even rev these guys up a little more. So you could have the initial core that are actual good, solid, hardcore Republicans – that really wanted to do some great things in the party that then get all revved up by plants that come in and actually make things work. That I absolutely could believe in.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, yeah, that’s exactly the same thing as Ray Epps on J6.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Calling on Republicans, go into the Capitol, go into the Capitol. So would the left plant some people in the Rhino Watch crowd to rev them up to do dumb things?
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
The best export we have is Common Sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, and before we go to our top of the hour break, Andy, because Charlie just reminded me of this, what is a Davidian? Explain that really quick before we go to break.
SPEAKER 13 :
Davidians are the people who are very devout in their support of Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, which was the past GOP chair. For those of you maybe that are new to the state or new to the party, he was our chair for a couple of years that literally I did every single thing I possibly could to make him not chair any longer.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was as corrupt as corrupt could be.
SPEAKER 13 :
And they are totally, their web presence is Rhino Watch.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. All right. We’ll be back. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m a rich guy.
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