Join us for a dynamic discussion unraveling the latest international and domestic political controversies with Jim Paff from the Conservative Caucus. Learn about the implications of U.S. policies towards Venezuela and delve into the relevance of Trump’s negotiation and strategic threats. We also take a deep dive into the elections and political systems of South America, exploring how these are shaping the global landscape today. Uncover the extent of electoral malpractices in Minnesota that point to something much more significant, unveiling the broader issues that threaten the integrity of the democratic process.
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What do you think a recount is?
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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you guys all joining us today. By the way, it’s been a great show. Andy and I were just talking about that a moment ago in regards to just the show and the feedback from listeners and so on. It’s been really great, and I appreciate all of that from each and every one of you. Jim Paff joining us now from Conservative Caucus. Jim, welcome. Hey, how you doing, John? We’re doing great. How are you tonight?
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m well. I’m home in Indiana, away from D.C., and very glad to be there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, okay. Talk to us about Venezuela. Let’s start there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, the one thing that concerns me is I don’t think that we need to be going to war with Venezuela. I think that you get a little concerned as you hear the rhetoric and everything that’s going on. I am not I have not been against the taking out boats that are in international waters, bringing drugs into the United States without state sponsorship. Maybe the states or maybe Venezuela is helping them or whatever. But these are independent actors and. They’re doing something criminal and very harmful to the country. And I think Donald Trump, although anyone can debate that, Donald Trump, I think, is making a rational decision there. What would be irrational is to actually go to war and take out a guy who probably is an illegitimate president. I’m sure that their elections have been regularly stolen since Hugo Chavez.
SPEAKER 11 :
But OK, so, you know, backing up to the threats to invade and so on, which I look at Trump as guys, a negotiator, that’s a threat. Would he ever actually, you know, carry through with that? I highly doubt it. This is a way to get Venezuela to move on something that he wants them to do because he knows that there’s no other way it’s going to happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I do agree with that, and I do agree that that’s what he’s doing. But if you’re going to do that, you also have to make the threat real. Now, do I think Donald Trump is keen to go do that? I don’t. He is not a guy that is looking to go to war. But this thing is getting a little dicey. Now, that said. Here’s what we do know a real problem is. Maduro probably is, well, his last election is definitely an illegitimate election. There’s no doubt about it. He totally jimmy-rigged the system. That is clear. We saw that happen in Brazil, by the way, in 2022. There are a few countries still in South America that’s trending conservative. Chile’s going to hire a conservative president. You’ve got Malay down in Argentina, so there are some positive developments. But you still have these negative things. There is no doubt that Maduro is a bad actor on the international stage and in the regional stage. The guy is causing major problems. There are huge drug problems in Colombia and Venezuela and even in western Brazil. That whole area of South America is a real cesspool of drug trafficking and so forth. It’s a huge, huge problem. So the threat is serious. There’s no doubt about it. And I do want Donald Trump to be very, very strong against these guys. I get concerned. And I’m having people in D.C. that are our kind of people, the kind of people that I hang around, are all kind of saying, man, what’s going on with potential war? Nobody wants it. But nonetheless, I think, you know, I still stand with Donald Trump. It’s just that I’m getting a little concerned.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jim, help me out here because I also totally support him taking out the boats, but I am against any incursion into Venezuela. I don’t want to get into their airspace because I think that we are doing just fine keeping them out of ours with the actions that Trump is already using. I think he’s already winning. We don’t need to do more. But let me ask you this. You listen to both sides. Why are some people in favor of an incursion?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we have this tendency sometimes in a post-World War II world where we lived through decades of the threat of Russia expanding communism throughout the world, which they did attempt to do. And beginning with the Korean conflict right after World War II, but more importantly, in a way, the Vietnam War, We have this doctrine of thinking that still exists that has this idea that to stop threats, that we need to take out certain leaders. And we have not fully extracted ourselves from this. Now, in the 1970s, we made it illegal to try to take out dictators. We made it illegal, Congress did, for the CIA or any other organization to get involved in such a manner. But yet they’ve continued to do it. And so we still have a neocon wing. We have a deep state wing that still exists in Washington, D.C., that loves these sorts of things. And we’ve got even Republicans who love war, the Lindsey Grahams of the world, who are just itching to go to war all the time and love spending money on the military. And this is something we’ve not fully extracted ourselves from. Donald Trump has been holding that back, reining that back in both of his administrations. But this temptation is always there. And you’ve got people who urge a desire to want to do that. And so anyway, that’s why it’s just it’s in our it’s somehow got into our DNA and it’s not fully extracted yet.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Talk to us about what’s going on in Minnesota. That’s another big topic right now and the fraud that they have found there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I think that this is probably the far more relevant issue. While Donald Trump’s taking things out in international waters the way he is, and, you know, Andy, I’m with you on that. Minnesota represents, like I described this to someone when I was talking to him today, as the tip of the tip of the iceberg. Like this is such a huge problem. First of all, Tim Walz is a crook. He’s always been a crook. Democrats, by and large, Democrat-elected people are by and large crooks. They are throughout Minnesota. Every elected Democrat there is a crook. The Democrat Party has been so wedded to the replacement theory, which we know is true now. Everyone thought that that was a crazy thing or trying to make it out to be a crazy thing. It’s a very real thing. But what’s really interesting is in the process, and this began with Barack Obama. He’s the original evildoer here. We have been moving money out of the pockets of Americans into organizations that that launder money both for the purposes of getting democrats elected and also uh… to provide payback to those that democrats enjoy and want to pay back for helping them and this money laundering scheme that is making people wealthy not for reasons of building an economy but because we just move i mean go back to the stacey abrams thing like this is this is the same as the stacey abrams thing with the epa where she rolls up an organization just before the biden administration goes out and they’re going to transfer two billion dollars into it from the epa Like, it’s insane that this instinct is there in government. And here’s why I say it’s the tip of the tip of the iceberg, because we already see a whole bunch of this above the water, so to speak, in the iceberg analogy. So what we’re seeing is a small portion of what we already know is a massive problem, but that sometimes we don’t know is even more massive under the water. So that’s why this is a significant thing, and people need to go to jail.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, I agree. I mean, the more you read this particular story and what’s going on in Minnesota, and to your point, Jim, I think it’s going to continue to get deeper and deeper and deeper. In other words, the more they uncover, the farther this is going to get. I like your analogy. This is really just the top of the iceberg. The underlying what’s under the water is absolutely huge, and this is going to get bigger and bigger.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we have a – listen, I don’t even think most Americans know the scale of the problem of the money laundering that is taking place through government agencies. We have a $7-plus trillion federal budget, but keep in mind we’re somewhere in the $14- to $20-trillion range when you take in state and local governments, just them. Their portion is $14- to $20-trillion somewhere. I can’t remember the last number. It’s a huge amount of money. Why are we spending this much money? I mean, there’s no reason for it. You know, our entire GDP, you know, is in the just under $30 trillion range. It’s what, $25, $24 trillion? And we spend all this money in government. through this whole process, it’s an outrage. And this money is going for programs that are unnecessary, almost entirely unnecessary at every level of government, now going into NGOs that are making people wealthy, and they’re not even using the money for what it was intended to. When they try to beat up Elon Musk for doing Doge, Like, Elon didn’t even get to the whole portion of it. So we have to pare this back. We need to make it illegal somehow. for any money to go out of the federal government to private actors unless there’s something in return. So when you spend money on defense, you pay a contractor to build an aircraft, and then you take the aircraft in. Okay, that’s a legitimate exchange of money. I mean, it may be a wasteful one, but it’s a legitimate one. But it is totally wasteful and illegitimate to throw money into these NGOs. This is something that has got to be stopped, federally and locally.
SPEAKER 11 :
Can’t argue that. OK, let’s close with the Biden auto pen.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, I’m grateful for Donald Trump for keeping the light on this, because it’s not it’s one thing to argue the reality that Joe Biden was really not president of the United States. That entire presidency was illegitimate. The man was incapable and incompetent. to do it for various reasons that we all know but when you you you highlight it by the fact that we know that it wasn’t just that he was incompetent and incapable it’s that he wasn’t engaged in any way partly and that we had a shadow government of people in his administration running the show when what we do is elect a president or supposedly elect a president to actually directed him or herself. And then obviously it’s a big government. There are a lot of actors, but you still have to have someone at the top doing things. Joe Biden was not doing this. And the reason we got such a radical leftist socialist communist, really in some ways, government under Joe Biden is because Joe Biden wasn’t doing anything. Now he might’ve allowed it to happen too, had he actually had his facilities about him. But nonetheless, they weren’t there, and that was happening. And we have to totally rethink the Biden administration. So I’m glad for Donald Trump to say he’s going to reverse it all. And we need to look at appointments and a lot of things that that auto pin was used on and take action on every one of them. I think the case is clear now, and it’s time to start acting on it.
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All right. We’ll see what ends up happening. Good points.
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Well, I think that we need to pray for our country, and we need to also, though, recognize that it’s our responsibility as Americans to get involved in the electoral process even one more time and a few more times and stay involved because we’ve got to reverse this situation in our country. We have got to, Republicans and Democrats who aren’t willing to take action on this, we need to tell them, no mas. It’s time to start getting active in restoring the Constitution in this country because if we don’t, we’re dead in the water. It’s just not going to be possible to recover.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, we got a bit of news that just came out. Trump has now officially nullified all Biden-era auto pen pardons.
SPEAKER 11 :
I just read that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, here’s the true social post, just in case anybody wants to know. Any and all documents, proclamations, executive orders, memorandums, or contracts… Signed by order of the now infamous and unauthorized auto pen within the administration of Joseph R. Biden Jr. are hereby null, void, and of no further force of effect or effect. It goes on from there. But, John, I’m going to come out and disagree with my president on this. I hate to do this. By the way, I totally love the intent behind it. I believe Biden was not of sound mind when he did anything.
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I agree.
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Okay.
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From day one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. But here’s the problem. Using the AutoPen is legal. And how are you going to prove in each instance that when he was of sound mind and when he wasn’t, when he knew about it, when he didn’t, because he’s going to claim he knew about all of them, that he was in the loop, not in the loop, that he approved it, didn’t approve it. Look, that’s really hard. You’ve got to, let’s just take one pardon, any pardon, I don’t care.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, pick one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Joe Blow. Okay, that’s the name. Whatever. And this person, you’re going to have to have some sort of email chain, right? or text chain some sort of hard evidence proving that this was done expressly without the knowledge and consent. And let’s, shall we say, able consent of Joe Biden. That’s what you’re going to have to prove. Otherwise, guess what? The auto pen is valid. I think this is a waste of time. I think it’s going to get laughed out of court. That’s my personal opinion. And even though I love it, don’t get me wrong, I love it. I love seeing those things thrown out. In my personal opinion, first of all, the executive orders, who cares? You can simply reverse those with your executive orders. But these, you know, pardons, I say let them go.
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Pardons, commutations, and so on. Even though I’m against them. No, I’m with you, Andy, on this one. I mean, I… Number one, I don’t think this is going to stick. There are going to be lawsuits that come out against this. This is going to go up the chain. There’s a cost to us as taxpayers to actually now defend all of this. And honestly, folks, my feeling is there’s bigger fish to fry. I’m sorry, but there just is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Let me ask you this. John, what does Trump look like when this stuff starts getting thrown out of court and not sticking? How does he look?
SPEAKER 11 :
Like a schmuck.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sorry, but I’m being honest. He looks really bad. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s going to look like somebody who went on a temper tantrum and had to get struck down by the courts. I mean, unless Donald Trump— That’s not going to look good. It’s going to be his own Supreme Court that finalizes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, unless he’s got other things he’s doing, and this is a, you know, look what’s going on over here while I do something over there, which with Donald Trump you never know. Unless Donald Trump also knows some things, factually speaking, Andy, whereby a lot of this stuff can be proven that, yeah, he had no knowledge of the auto pen being used in certain circumstances. I mean, if Donald Trump knows all of that, and I’m going to give him credit, if he knows all of that and he’s now setting the wheel in motion, well, then good for him. And I guess time will tell.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but the problem is, well, all we really know about Joe Biden is his general state of mind, which of course was in severe decline. We know that, but you know as well as I do, John, people in that state come and go. They come in and out of being conscious of their decisions.
SPEAKER 11 :
I know. And it’s hard to prove when you were versus when you weren’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So let’s say this goes all the way to the Supreme Court. Okay. And he loses, let’s say, seven to two.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
How’s that look?
SPEAKER 11 :
Terrible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yeah, John, it looks really bad.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because we’ve had a lot of good wins up to this point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. But now all the left gets to say, see, he was trying to act as a dictator. Guys, just let it go. I don’t agree with a lot of these people who got pardoned, especially the commutations. Some of those were unbelievable. But, John, let it go. It’s bad. Some bad people are back out there. Guess what? We will keep arresting them. Just keep having your incredible DOJ and ICE and all of your law enforcement that’s working for the president right now. Keep doing your incredible job with the FBI and keep getting criminals off the streets. You’re winning. You’re winning. You’re winning. Don’t fumble the ball.
SPEAKER 11 :
Somebody said, pretty sure Andy is incorrect. The auto pin can only be used with express and direct permission of POTUS, which, Andy, you did say that. The problem is proving— Yeah, but he’s claiming he gave it. Yeah, that’s it. And the problem in this particular case, this texter that we just mentioned a moment ago is—and believe me, I’ve seen this firsthand with everything my dad went through with— his dementia and Alzheimer’s, the reality is going back in time and proving at that given moment what was his cognitant ability at that given time. It’s almost impossible to prove that, folks. Exactly. It is impossible to prove that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, you have to prove another thing you could do. And by the way, yeah, I know what the texts are saying. I know the law. I understand that. Okay. But you have to prove that this was done completely without his knowledge.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. That’s it’s almost impossible to prove.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s the problem. OK. And here’s the big problem. Joe Biden has already come out and said he knew all of them and knew what he was doing. He’s made that claim. OK.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s his claim. All right. Now you’ve got to disprove the claim. Now the weight of the evidence is on you because you’re making the accusation.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And I get it. And a lot of you, by the way, you’re frustrated. I feel the frustration, not disagreeing with any of you on any of that. Me either. But the issue, and I’m responding to some texters right now, the issue is what we’re saying right now. It’s not that we agree with all the pardons or that all of them were correct or the commutations were correct. No, a lot of people got things they shouldn’t have had, didn’t deserve, shouldn’t have been there in the first place. And the auto pen was just on auto pen, literally, and I believe that it was. But you have to prove that now. What I just said has to be proved.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. I mean, do you and I… John, do you and I hold the opinion that Joe Biden was not the president of the United States for the last four years? I hold that opinion. I don’t believe he was functional. No, he wasn’t. I believe his team, which is largely holdovers from Obama, was running the country. I think a bunch… Basically… I think a bunch of deep state actors were running the country as activists using him as their figurehead. That’s what I believe.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and I talked about this even during that time. Again, you guys all have to remember that watching what my dad went through with dementia and Alzheimer’s and just watching that progression and watching the very same things happen at that time on our own president, it was easy for me to see the symptoms and what was going on because I saw it in my own father. So the reality is, Andy, I saw firsthand exactly what was going on With Joe Biden. Right. But your dad had lucid moments. Occasionally, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. Therein lies the problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
Therein lies the problem. That’s my whole concern. My whole concern is the weight of the evidence is on us, not on them. And how do we prove? I’m not saying we can’t prove some of them were totally illegitimate. Maybe we will get the email chain to whatever. Maybe he, you know, I mean, let’s face it. There are going to be times when he wasn’t even in the area. He was scheduled out of the area. But even then he could say, yeah, but I had approved this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Potentially, although I think – and again, this goes back to what does Donald Trump know that makes him say what he just said, and does he have some insight into some of this whereby there are some email chains and other things that have been discovered whereby it proves that in a lot of cases he knew he wasn’t signing these things, and he knew nothing about what was actually being signed and somebody else did. In other words, if there were a bunch of aides going back and forth talking about, hey, we need to pardon this person, we need to pardon that one, and Joe’s nowhere to be found, okay, that’s a different scenario.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but then why don’t you sign orders based on those cases alone? Why do you do it across the board?
SPEAKER 11 :
Unless Donald Trump knows full well that there weren’t any of those that he was actually involved in because of what I just said. That’s the only other reason you would do that. And I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Boy, that’s a rough hill to climb.
SPEAKER 11 :
I know. I know. And again, I’m not him. I’m… I’m always one of those, and you know me, Andy, where I don’t think I would approach this, but I don’t have the same facts in front of me that he does. So I’m looking at it completely different because I’m not there. I’m not seeing the same things that he’s got. I don’t have the same advisors around me saying, here’s the information that we have, here’s the documentation we have, so on and so forth. I don’t have that in front of me to make that decision.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nor do I. And let me make another thing very clear for those who, because there are people who are going to hear this and they’re going to think, and he wants these people to get off. No, I don’t. I disagree with Biden’s pardons. I really disagree with his commutations. I would love to see them reversed. I would. I think these are criminals. I think these are terrible people who have done terrible things to America. I do. Okay. My whole problem is evidence.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And I think this is where I talked about this some yesterday, whereby there’s a lot of folks out there that want to see even the DOJ, you know, Pam Bondi do more than what she’s actually doing. And I keep reminding people, you’ve got to make sure your eyes are dotted, your T’s are crossed, that you don’t go into court, you know, sorry, pardon the expression, but with your pants down to where at the end of the day, you’ve got nothing. You’ve got nothing when it’s all said and done. And now you really have egg on your face, which is what the Democrats ended up having with Donald Trump. I don’t want that on our side, Andy. No, I don’t either. I want full bore proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that we’re going to win. Otherwise, don’t proceed. Yeah, that’s me.
SPEAKER 03 :
That and let’s keep in mind, John, look at all the things that Trump is doing, all the things he’s accomplishing. You’re winning on so many fronts. Why put up an L?
SPEAKER 10 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why do it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, maybe he didn’t. Maybe he’ll win this. I don’t think so. I think this is going to get thrown out of the courts. I think it’s going to be an embarrassment. And I hate to say that. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s what I predict.
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SPEAKER 11 :
All right, getting back to the whole auto pen thing. And again, folks, I don’t have all of the information, nor does Andy. I think for me, though, personally, and I’m really with Andy on this, unless Trump’s got some solid significant evidence that there’s a chain of emails that really expressly state that Joe Biden had no idea what he was doing at the time that these things were actually signed by the auto pen, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m sorry to say that, Andy, but you just are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Like I said, it’s a tough hill to climb legally. I wish him luck. I do, you know. But I think it’s a tough one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, so here’s a question.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Here’s a question. What… I mean, what if it’s a some sort of a diversion for something else that he’s got going on? He’s been known to do that at times where, you know, it’s like, OK, Democrats, look over here while I go do this over there. Is there a possibility that that is what this is?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, there is a possibility. The usual the old four dimensional chess, right? I’m going to tie up all their lawyers defending this. Here’s the problem. We’re tying up our lawyers to correct pushing it. Um, no, I mean, it’s possible, but no, I think this is just Trump believing he can do it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Trump has, look, Trump believes very strongly in executive power. He does not in a way of a dictator folks, not in a way. There are many differences. We have listed them before, but he does believe in the power of the executive. I think he’s simply believing a little too much in it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. I can’t say as I disagree with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. I’m not saying I know, but that would be my guess.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Again, I don’t know. I can’t disagree. I am. I’ll be straight up honest. I’m a little shocked to read what we just read that he made basically a blanket. None of these are empowered any longer. None of these are valid any longer, meaning, okay, if you were pardoned and you were serving a sentence, now what?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because you’re out now. Are you walking back in?
SPEAKER 11 :
I highly doubt that. So now what?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I mean, think of the logistics of it. That’s a great point. I hadn’t even thought about that. Logistically, what are you going to do? Put them all back in?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t see how you’re going to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, obviously everybody’s fever dream is, okay, let’s get Fauci. And by the way, I agree. I would love it.
SPEAKER 11 :
I would too. I would too. Again, I’m with you on this one. Dan and Blackhawk, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
We, like you say, barking up a wrong tree or dying on a hill that we probably shouldn’t be dying on. What I think they should do is come up with procedures to make sure that this doesn’t happen again, whether it’s Republican or Democrat. I agree. I agree. Because the same thing could happen to the Republicans going forward. And we don’t want that to happen either. So learn from it. Learn what errors or what mistakes were made with the auto pin. Put in, I don’t know, the best way to do it would be the legislature to pass a law or come up with a law that says this is how you use the auto pin. And then we’d have an audit trail to verify that presidents actually approved the use of the auto pin.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think, you know, I mean, I know you’re right. You know, and Dan, just step in really quick. I think all the way back when we learned about this whole auto pen nonsense, that was one of the first things I said was what, you know, time out. This thing needs a complete revamp as to when it’s allowed to be used, what it’s allowed to be used for. I mean, there’s one thing to use the auto pen to sign a bunch of invitations to come to the White House for said party or whatever the case may be. Okay, great. Use the auto pen for that. I’m fine with that. But to use the auto pen to sign executive orders and pardons and so on, yeah, no, I don’t think it should be allowed for those things at all, period. That should end.
SPEAKER 08 :
And they should have, and if they were smart, they would get the legislature involved, and this should be a bipartisan issue that there shouldn’t be any disagreement on either side of the fence. Right. Like you said, auto-pins should not be used like they were used. I was questioning, okay, what’s going on with all these pardons and everything? I didn’t know it was the auto-pin, but it seems to me like there was people in Joe Biden’s cabinet or whatever that were doing favors for people that probably should have never been pardoned in the first place. So learn the mistakes. Correct those mistakes and make it to where it can’t happen again.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, and by the way, Dan, everything you’re saying, spot on. I think this is one of those areas where as we learn that these things can be abused, which I don’t think in the past they had been, although we don’t really know, but I think it became very… you know, was open and really, you know, how should I say, it’s really opened our eyes to this whole auto pen thing. We knew Joe Biden at times wasn’t cognizant enough to even walk to the car, nonetheless sign pardons. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. I mean, there were times where the bunny rabbit had to show him around on Easter just so he could make the right entrance and exit. I mean, at the end of the day, Dan, this guy signed pardons, but can’t
SPEAKER 08 :
do anything outside of the the bunny rabbit showing you what to do i mean that was i think our eye-opener as the american public was wait a minute now we’ve got all this stuff signed and now it’s being signed by an auto pen what’s up with that right and again why and this is the problem with government these were weaknesses on the use i would call them controls uh… and trust is not a control okay We trusted presidents’ use of the auto pin before Biden, but that was not a control. Because you just, I mean, it could have been a Republican who could have done the same thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
True.
SPEAKER 08 :
With an auto pin.
SPEAKER 11 :
True.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, so it doesn’t matter. So, like I said, trust is not a control. A saying that I have is, in God I trust, everybody else I audit. So, you know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and by the way, I appreciate what you just said a moment ago. I think, you know, even as a conservative myself, I don’t want any president, right, left, otherwise, having some staff member with an auto pen being able to sign things that either he or she down the road would or would not know about. I think that’s a really slippery slope. And to your point, Dan, I think legislatively speaking, that needs fixed. This whole auto pen use needs to be reined back greatly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, I agree. So that’s my two cents.
SPEAKER 11 :
And by the way, this is where I disagree with Donald Trump. Like Andy was saying, I think if Donald Trump was smart, he would be asking legislatively that, hey, guys, we know there were some problems with this last auto-pin thing. I don’t know what all was signed. I don’t know if Joe was actually, you know, Sleepy Joe was actually in on this or not. The reality is it’s going to be so hard to tell. But here’s what I want moving forward. I want this to end. Would you guys please come up with legislation that stops this from happening in the future? He would get much more brownie points doing that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, the American people would love him.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that’s the course of action, Dan, he should be taking. These are the things, and I love Donald Trump dearly, but these are the things he and I differ on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Is there a way we can contact him?
SPEAKER 11 :
I wish.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s a little late. This is already going on.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is already a done deal, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, but it’s like, dude, I mean, he’s got, I think he has some good people in his cabinet around him, but sometimes, I mean, the Democrats and I think Republicans are just as guilty. We get into an echo chamber and we don’t think things through logically or down the road or, you know, Again, what’s done is done, and I’m not disagreeing that some of those people probably should not have been pardoned or commenced their sentences. Yeah, I was going to say excommunicated, but commuted their sentences. And who knows what else was signed into law with an executive order with the use of an auto pen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Dan, I think a big… Oh, I’m sorry. Go ahead. No. Go ahead. Well, I think a big part of the problem, Dan, is that we in the Republican Party have not we’ve seen too many bad guys get off. We’re not seeing any of the bad guys perp walked. We’re not seeing them in orange jumpsuits. We’re not seeing anybody get theirs. We’re seeing bad guy after bad guy after bad guy get off with it. And now we’re looking at a chance that, well, Trump can just come in and use the Trump card and end it. And we’re not thinking about, well, what comes next? How do we prove this in the courts? And so when I see a lot of people applauding this, I think they’re applauding out of their frustration.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Let’s figure out where the frustration is coming from, and let’s fix the root cause of the problem.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, you know, that’s the hard thing. It’s like, well, it’s not fair that those people get in. I agree. It’s not fair that these people… get off. It’s not fair that these people become uber-rich off of the taxpayer money. And like you were saying a few weeks ago, Andy, we want liberty and we want fairness, right? That’s something everybody, I think, agrees with. And that’s something that the Republican Conservative Party needs to communicate. It’s like, we’re not, you know, they used to have the stereotype that the Republicans were for the rich, but somehow the Democrats seem to be the rich ones that keep you know, staying in power and keep getting more and more rich, and maybe that’s what’s happening. It’s a populist, but let’s not lose an opportunity here and get more people to understand that, hey, everybody needs an equal opportunity in this country. And when we have people who are gaining the system, whether they’re politics, business, or individuals, you know, let’s make sure that the system doesn’t allow them to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Dan, here’s the big problem. If we, let’s say we go forth with this and let’s say we lose in the courts. You just said it all perfectly well. We as MAGA, as Republicans want liberty, opportunity and fairness, right? That’s what we want. But if we go into court and if this all gets shut down, we look like all we want is revenge.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. And that’s not, that’s not a good, a good image for people to have because then, you know, the Democrats will come in and they’ll play off of that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 08 :
Losses to their advantage to where if they have a loss for some reason, and I don’t know what it is, if it’s just the mentality of conservatives that, you know, we don’t want to go after people, but at the same time, time after time after time being knocked down, you finally get frustrated and, but instead of getting up and trying to punch back, figure out a way to, to make it not happen. And that’s, I think that’s where Republicans are, are, are falling short on strategizing. And how do, how do we go about solving this? And I’m not even talking about the auto pin. I’m just talking in general, you know, you know, Trump talked about draining the swamp. Well, what’s, why did the swamp get to be the way that it is? And what, What rules or what procedures or what happened that allowed these bureaucrats to get into power and to remain in power and just to run their organizations the way they see fit that may not be conducive to the American public or to the interest of the United States and our country? They’re getting rich, but they don’t care if the country falls down. As long as they got their money, who cares? And we need to make sure that – and that’s not just in politics. That’s in life in general. So that’s what I’ve got to say. So we kind of went off the tangent there.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, you’re fine. No, absolutely, Dan. Absolutely. No, you’re spot on. Can’t disagree. I’ll let you roll. We’ll take a quick break. John from Cheyenne, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you up next. Ridgeline Auto Brokers, looking for a new used car. They’ve got you covered. Just go to RidgelineAutoBrokers.com.
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SPEAKER 05 :
It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 11 :
And we are back. Myself, Andy Pate, John from Cheyenne, you’re next. Go ahead. We’re forgetting one important thing about the auto pen and the pardons.
SPEAKER 06 :
Article two, his pardon power is ultimate. They cannot challenge it. It’s written that way in the Constitution. All Biden has to do is they have to drug him up like they did for certain other things. And he has to go out and say, I authorized every pardon to be signed and nobody can question it. He’s already made that statement.
SPEAKER 03 :
They already drugged him up.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. But what I’m saying is article two. doesn’t say it has to be signed by the president in front of witnesses or anything. It just says the president has the power to pardon. It doesn’t say how. And the liberals will go and say, well, the Second Amendment was signed when it was just muskets, but you guys have ARs now using that same argument that, you know, the Constitution changes, technology changes, but the Constitution doesn’t. So I don’t think you could do anything about the auto pen. I really don’t. But, you know, unless you can get, you know, enough people to amend the Constitution, that’s probably an impossibility.
SPEAKER 11 :
And this is something I don’t know much about. Maybe Charlie knows. What is the history of the auto pen? In other words, when did we start actually using that bloody thing? Do you know, Charlie, by chance at all?
SPEAKER 03 :
There are all versions in the 1800s is what… What, a stamp?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, something along those lines, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Does Trump use an auto sharpie?
SPEAKER 11 :
That beats the heck out of me.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’d be good. I think he does.
SPEAKER 11 :
Probably.
SPEAKER 06 :
But this is Trump just trying to deflect probably from the other stuff that’s going on. Like you had said, Andy, playing 40 chess. I’m going to do this all over here. Meantime, he’s doing something that’s going to turn out great. And nobody’s going to know about it until it’s too late for the liberals to scream.
SPEAKER 11 :
Patented in 1803, became the robot pen developed in the 1930s and commercially available in 1937. So it’s been around a long time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Jefferson was the first user.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it’s never been challenged until now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Here’s my big question. If this fails. If this fails by Trump, you got to keep in mind, what does it make us look like? It makes us look vindictive. It makes us look vengeful. And it makes Trump look like a tyrant who tried to use illegal powers to undo that which he did not like. And that is the very opposite of the image that we want to cast right now before the American people. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or Trump proves that it’s legal by them saying, no, president has ultimate right, and then he pardons whoever he wants before he leaves office.
SPEAKER 03 :
True, but he could do that anyway.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. He could, but if a court says that the president’s powers of pardon are unlimited, he can pardon whoever he wants, that’s the Constitution, then all of a sudden, you know, he can pardon his whole family and So they don’t go after Donald Jr. or Barron or any of his other kids. And he could even pardon himself. I mean, Hunter Biden got a pardon. So I think he’s just trying to get the courts to say distinctively what the presidential pardon powers are. Well, we’ll see. My opinion.
SPEAKER 03 :
Honestly, I think he’s just overreaching.
SPEAKER 06 :
You guys have a good rest of the night.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m about to hit the dead zone. All right, man. Appreciate it, John. Go ahead. No, Andy, go ahead. Finish that up. Go ahead. We’ve got a couple minutes.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think he’s overreaching. Not John. Trump.
SPEAKER 11 :
Trump is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think he’s overreaching. I don’t think it’s going to work. Maybe it does work. I hope it does work. I’m rooting for him because I do like the sentiment behind doing it. I just don’t think it’s going to work out. And I do think it’s going to make us look bad, and I think the Democrats are going to be able to take advantage of this going into 26.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and John might be on to something. Maybe Trump is looking to get the Supreme Court or a court to really define what the presidential pardon or what the presidential powers are, although I think that’s pretty well stated already. I don’t know that there’s much of a challenge or a overturning of what’s currently been going on there, no matter what happens in regards to the auto pen.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, John, you and I have, for over a year now, been complaining that we’ve never been put on the Rhino wall of shame. If we are, could we get a pardon?
SPEAKER 09 :
I would love one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Could Trump pardon everybody who’s been on the Rhino wall of shame for Rhino Watch? Just a thought.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m sorry. No, I get it. All I’m saying is it gets a little crazy how they’re using it for everything in sight. Look, I just don’t think it’ll fly. I don’t think it’ll fly. And I do think publicity-wise, because we’ve got to think in terms of publicity, folks. Look, we are getting killed right now on affordability. Why? Because Trump framed the entire thing wrong. He should have said, I’m going to bring down inflation dramatically. He said, I’m going to bring down prices. You can’t really bring them down because the underlying elements have already been boosted up. Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
You can say I can stabilize prices. I’m going to do my very best to make certain things less expensive than they are right now. But overall, unfortunately, in some cases, prices will stay. But if I can keep them from inflating more, it’s still going to help all of you out at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the bottom line is he can say, yeah, I’m going to get rid of this terrible inflation and I’m going to have your wages rising faster than inflation. Now, he is already doing that. He is succeeding at that. He should be loved right now, but the American public is down on him for his economy. And why? All because of messaging. Getting back to the auto pen thing, if that falls through, the messaging on that is going to be rough.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and that’s not going to bode well even going into 2026. And one thing that I really wish Trump and some of the advisors around him would start realizing or thinking about is, you know what, we have a midterm election coming up in 2026. It never bodes well for the current president or the current folks that are in power. We can’t afford to lose any Senate seats. We really can’t afford to lose too many House seats either. At the end of the day, we need to pick up some. And I think everything that we do, you know, moving forward, even presidentially speaking, needs to be in light of all of that, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
And we’re not doing that, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thankfully, Indiana just gained us a seat through redistricting. But, you know, we’re going to need a lot of that. And the bottom line is, I think you’re nailing it, John. Everything Trump does right now has to be thought of in terms of messaging for 26. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
How do we win in 2026? How do these midterms at the end of the day come out successful? We’re going to have a change of guard at the Fed. That’s going to help to some extent, although it’s going to be really tight on getting enough housing things fixed and done and handled. I mean, that takes time, and it’s really a tight window of I highly doubt that there’s going to be much action from the Fed until then. The biggest action is going to come next summer once there’s a new Fed chair. The problem is it’s almost going to be a little bit too little too late. Jerome Powell, by the way, I say this all the time, but he knows that, and that’s exactly what he’s banking on, Andy, because he hates Donald Trump and the Republicans.
SPEAKER 03 :
If Trump announces who the next guy will be, and that person is saying flat out, we’re going to drop rates dramatically, can the markets adjust in advance in time to help housing?
SPEAKER 11 :
Potentially, and that’ll be the biggest question of the day. Andy, when we get to that point, we’ll know a little bit more. Honestly, again, I think what Trump is going to be up against for the midterms and the Republicans in general is, how is the economy doing? Because right now, it is the economy, stupid.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
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SPEAKER 11 :
All right, somebody said possible that Trump is just managing the news cycles to get rid of the boat thing because the Democrats are using the boat thing to get news to basically to quit talking about the seditious six and some of their other stories. Possible. Doubtful, but I guess anything’s possible. I don’t know. I don’t know what’s in Trump’s mind, so I can’t answer that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Never know.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, with that, guys, have a fabulous evening. Be safe out there. It is dark and snow coming in tonight into tomorrow, so be careful as well tomorrow. But have a great evening. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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