What does it actually take for a man to endure when life knocks him flat?
In this episode of A Guy’s Perspective, the panel tackles the idea of grit—what it is, where it comes from, and whether it can be learned. The discussion ranges from business and money to faith, marriage, mental health, and fatherhood, asking hard questions about success, failure, and perseverance. Is grit a personality trait you’re born with, or something forged through loss and hardship? And can grit exist without love?
Listeners call in with powerful stories, including discussions on dementia caregiving, single parenting, historical oppression, and the
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Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real-life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
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How’s everybody doing today? This is KLZ 560 AM. We’re the Guys Perspective. We’re on every Saturday from 2 to 3, and you can always reach us and talk to the guys at 303-477-5600. Again, that’s 303-477-5600. We just want to say Merry Christmas to everybody, and let’s go around the room and introduce ourselves. We’ll start here at the left.
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I’m Reno, local business owner.
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Favorite janitor. I’m Brock. And this is Heath Hine. Clear view. When shall we bid?
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Again, like we said, we just want to tell everybody Merry Christmas. I’m sure there’s a lot of people out there doing that last-minute Christmas shopping. Have you guys finished your Christmas shopping?
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Oh, yeah. My list was short, man. I didn’t have a whole lot of money. Dollar store, dollar general, baby.
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That’s funny. What about you guys?
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No, I’m the last minute.
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Last minute. Both of you guys last minute? Forget all that. I’m all done. So let’s get into our show today. We’re going to… Oh, listen. Next week’s show is going to be about dementia. So people tune in to that. I think it’s going to be really good. We’re going to be talking about Michael’s book. It’s called ABCs for Dementia for Caregivers. So we want to give a shout-out to him and say thank you for the donation he gave us. Yeah, thank you. We’re going to try to dive into dementia and figure it all out. Again, next year, people, our book is going to come out. So we’ll let everybody know when it’s going to come out, but we’re in the process of writing it. So hope it works.
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I mean, does people want to read about my janitor diaries?
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Somebody might want to hear about you plunging the toilet is right. All right, let’s go into it. Grit. Grit is drive, it’s stamina, and it’s fortitude to push through any obstacle or challenge until success is achieved. Do you guys feel like you have just grit when it comes to daily life or your business or just situations in life? You know what I’m saying?
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Yeah, I think, you know, I think grit is perseverance for a very long-term goal. I mean, you have very long. So, I mean, if a challenge comes your way, what is your response? Most people fall. Most people, you know, take a turn. How many people, you know, can overcome that obstacle?
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I’m going to challenge you on that. I think most people that are alive and breathing have made it. They’ve made it through every challenge thrown at them to this point. Yeah, that is very true. But I’m talking goals. Yeah, but sometimes the goal is just to live. Harino.
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i don’t i don’t necessarily agree with that if that so the definition of of grit we might want to start with yeah the combination of passion and perseverance for long-term meaningful goals that’s the truth because i think if a person’s going to reach their goals
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Grit isn’t – I think – this is how I picture it. I picture an athlete who’s got a mad amount of talent and they’re on a football field or they’re on a baseball field and they excel past everybody else. But they don’t make it to the pros because they don’t have grit. They’ve got true talent.
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Natural ability.
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Right, but they don’t have the ability to stick through everything when times get hard. That doesn’t mean they don’t have grit. Right.
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No, I’m saying if they don’t make it, it may very well be that they don’t have grit. That could be, but there’s a lot of different circumstances to cause someone not to make it. True, true. There’s a lot of talent that didn’t make it doesn’t mean they didn’t have grit.
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I guess that’s an interesting way of looking at it because I took it as without grit, you don’t make it.
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Well, they could have had an injury.
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That’s true.
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Or there was someone that just wanted it a little bit more than them.
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So do you guys think grit is, especially when it comes to, like we said, success, money, athletes, do you think grit has got to be at the top of what they have? It’s necessary. It’s necessary. But I want to bring up North Korea.
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Okay, what does that have to do with grit? The Christians that are there that shouldn’t be Christians are, you know, they have grit and determination, though it wouldn’t be seen as such from a success standpoint. Wow. They’re just maintaining. They’re trying not to die. That’s grit. To keep your faith. Yeah, they don’t have any. There’s nothing to say that they had grit to attain anything material. They’re just clinging so hard to their faith that they can go against a tyranny of Kim Jong-un.
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So I guess that comes down to success then. At the end of the day, what does one person define success? Because if you want to be successful at something, then you have grit to it. You have what it takes to see yourself crossing that finish line, I guess. I mean, couldn’t that work in church? I mean, because there’s a whole lot of people that… Because didn’t the Bible say something like that? Like the word fell on stony ground, some on thorny ground, and some people heard the word, they were excited. Next thing you know, they were gone. I mean, I think serving the Lord takes grit. I think being a millionaire takes grit.
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I think… Reno and I looked at each other.
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Okay, let me hear, let me hear.
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Well, it depends on how you get to the millionaire status. Did you win the lottery? Or did you work for it? Did you get an inheritance? Or did you work for it?
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I still think it all comes down to grief. Yeah, he makes a good point. How many people are unhappy that actually won
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Oh, statistically speaking, most people who have won millions and millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, they’re broke within about like six, seven years and in worse financial position than they were when they started.
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I was just about to say that exact thing.
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Wow.
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Think of how crazy that sounds.
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But it’s true.
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Do you think it’s because they have a character flaw? Would you say? Because when you look at grit, that has to do with your character to keep going when things get tough.
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So I would say no because it’s financial literacy. If you don’t understand money, a fool will depart from his money very quickly. So you give a fool money, and I’m saying fool because that’s biblical, but the – Not having a knowledge of money, you’re not going to know what to do with it, and you’ll lose it and become in debt, just like Heath said.
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Yeah, you’re right, Reno. Money grows wings when it’s in a fool’s hands. And then there’s also, what is it? He who is trustworthy with little will be trustworthy with much, and he who is untrustworthy with little will be untrustworthy with much. So they weren’t prepared for the money that came.
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And people, listen, if you know more than us, call at 303-477-5600. Tell us about an incident where you had to have grit in your life, where you had to keep the why factor the why factor. Because I think about grit like this. You have something that you want in front of you. Why do you want it and what keeps pushing you forward to get it, Reno?
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And grit is a personality trait. Really? Character.
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Character.
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Grit is a personality trait that combines passion and perseverance, long-term goals. So it is a personality trait.
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Yeah, so then basically there’s people out there that don’t have grit. They’ve got to learn it.
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Gritless.
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Some people are gritless. No, no, no. Back to what you guys said about money. I love grits, though. I like to eat grits. I do, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
I hate grits. With honey or with butter?
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Horrible all the way around. It depends on what I’m eating with it. Yeah. Guys, but what you guys said about money, it’s true. Look at what you guys said. People that have obtained wealth just like right out the gate and all of a sudden they lose it. They didn’t have any kind of financial ability. They had no grit to turn around and say, hey, I’m going to make this thing last me so that it can set up my kids and their kids.
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I don’t think it has anything to do with grit. At all, you don’t think? When you get a lump sum of money and you’re ill-prepared, I don’t think that has anything to do with grit. I think it’s financial literacy. They’re not equipped, and they don’t have the knowledge. of finances to keep that or make that money work for them.
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Ah, so the question is, is it grit to maintain something or is it only grit to obtain something? Because if it’s given to you and you’re just maintaining it, is that grit?
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Well, like I said, if you have a plan to pass it down to your kids and your kids pass it down to their kids, those are long-term successful goals. Wouldn’t that be grit?
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As Reno said.
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You can have all the grit you want. If you don’t have knowledge, what are you using to fuel it? That is true.
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You can’t argue with that. Well, if you had grit to get the money that you want to obtain, then you need determination determined to keep it. I agree with that. I agree with that, too.
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From grit to grit.
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From grit to determination that it’s not going to get wings and fly away, that it’s going to stay nice and cozy in my bank account. Because this is what it says.
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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. If it’s in your bank account, what is it doing?
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Oh, it’s not making baby grits.
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No, no, no. He’s right. It’s just sitting there. If it’s just sitting there, it’s not making any money. You have to use a vehicle to make that money make money, or it’s just going to dissipate.
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Hold on. Reno’s right.
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No, no. No, listen. Reno’s right. Listen, if you just sit it in the bank account, how much interest are you gaining? Right. It’s going to soon leave you. Unless you put it in a vehicle that it’s going to create more money. Okay. Well, how many people have invested in the wrong… How many people have made wrong investments and it cost a million? Well, at least put it in a savings account that earns interest. Okay, yeah. Instead of sitting in a bank account where it’s going to dissipate.
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He’s talking biblical, man. There’s the parable of the talents, and the one that buried it was a wicked and lazy servant. And he said, if you knew I was a hard man and I collected where I didn’t sow, that you ought to put it in a bank so I’d get some interest.
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No, but if you just put it in a bank account where it’s not collecting interest—
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which which one are you the man with one talent you’re the lazy man so so it says this when it comes to grit it asks the question why committing to a meaningful purpose is the first ingredient in developing grit it will keep you motivated when things in your life fall apart or becomes difficult so like you guys are talking about money how does money tie into grit Is it, like you guys said, is it somebody who just keeps it in a bank account and never does anything with it? Or somebody who uses it as a vehicle to move forward to gain wealth?
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No, because that’s most people’s determination to get is money. Okay. So most people’s determination is to become rich, to have the nice cars and the nice house.
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And I think that should be people’s goal. But that’s me. You know, I think wealth is something every person in America should strive to have.
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Hmm. Well, nowadays, it’s a must. I mean, you should go look at health insurance. I mean, when you go from health insurance to daycare, I mean, that’s most of your check just for daycare if somebody has kids.
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And people call at 303-477-5600 and chime in with us on this.
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This is a good topic. I’m trying to think of some grit and grit-less people in the Bible.
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Well, here, I’ll tell you people that had grit. I’m glad you mentioned that. look at this gritless michael jordan had so much grit in his life that they benched this dude his senior year and he went on to be the number one nba player of all time so against all odds against all odds here’s another one i’ll give you wait a minute okay can you say that again michael jordan was the number one Yes, yes. We’re not going to sit back and debate whether he or LeBron. I’m a LeBron fan. You guys already know that. But you’re admitting that Michael Jordan is… Yes, yes. At the end of the day, Michael Jordan is the guy that’s at the top of the food chain. His shoes are still being sold today. Yeah. You know?
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Can’t feel his shoes.
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I mean, we can go back onto the debate of who in the world… Made the shoe. Did the shoe make Jordan or did Jordan make the shoe, man?
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I still say the shoe made Jordan. Keep going with your list.
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Okay. All right. Abraham Lincoln. He had some grit.
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Why did he have grit?
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He became a president. It takes a whole lot of grit to become a president. You know what I’m saying? Hold on. Check it out. Okay. We got the Wright brothers. How many times did they fail trying to make flight?
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Yeah, that’s true.
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I mean, that takes a whole lot of grit. A lot of highs and lows. Right. So I think when it asks the question of why do you want to be successful, a person has to answer that in order to have grit. For the purpose.
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I got another person to add to the list. Okay. Nikolai Tesla. Okay, okay.
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He had grit, but he died gritless.
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How do you figure? No, he didn’t quit.
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He never quit.
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He didn’t quit. They made him out to be crazy, but he didn’t quit.
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Right, right. But that’s what I’m saying.
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And I don’t think he was crazy. I just think they couldn’t monetize what he was doing.
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So they take it from him. So they take it from him to monetize. But that’s the thing is, does it always have to be that grit equates to monetization or materialism?
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Oh, for sure. No. No, because without grit, you can’t have success. I do not believe you can. He had success, though.
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I disagree. I disagree.
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Okay, explain that.
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Monetarily.
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Explain it. I think you have to have grit in all parts of life in order to be successful. There are many artists.
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No, you were saying monetarily.
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Monetarily, spiritually, mentally?
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No, there’s people that have causes. Okay. There’s people that fight for causes that have grit, but they’re not being rewarded monetarily. They’re being rewarded in a different fashion. Do you think, though? If they’re saving lives, that’s rewarding.
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Look, man, there are artists who weren’t recognized during their time as being great artists. Only now do they get the recognition. So they never achieve.
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Hold on, but their grit carried their success throughout the ages.
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No, but who are you referring to?
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Michelangelo. No, there’s plenty of them.
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Van Gogh. For sure.
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These guys, they didn’t achieve. They didn’t get to see the fruit of their labor, but that fruit of their labor is now. And Elvis, too. No, he’s on my list.
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Elvis is on my list.
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Yeah, he got to see it and live it, but people are still living off it.
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Right, but you also got to look at Thomas Edison.
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But they say he’s still alive.
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Thomas Edison’s one person who had to have grit. Forget it. We can might as well just say President Trump. He had to have grit. It takes a lot of grit to turn back around after you lose the 2020 election and come back and run as president. there’s yeah i and this is this is okay this is how i believe i believe that if your name is going to last forever and you’re going to be successful you’re going to have to have some kind of grit in your life because you’re going to get knocked down eventually i’ve heard you men say it that life is not fair that life is hard and it’s going to knock you down absolutely i think it takes some grit to get back up from that yeah and perseverance Well, I think perseverance and all that comes right out of grit, right?
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Perseverance is part of grit.
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Yeah, purpose, perseverance, and having a goal. I think that is the one thing that’s missing for a lot of people, though, is they don’t have the goal. They don’t have that vision that they’re striving to attain.
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It’s the why.
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The why.
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True. Why? Why? I mean, that has to drive the grit.
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To pat myself on the back a little bit for the house I built, that took grit of me pulling a lot of people together to see it to fruition.
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Yeah, I would have liked to help you with that.
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Guys, because at the end of the day, grit matters because it is a part of the ambition that shows up. Grit sustains all your effort over time, especially in the face of failure. There are some people that when they fail, they’re not getting up. Because like you guys said, grit is an attribute. It’s something that some people can learn to have. But if they don’t initially have it and they get hit with failure, they stay down.
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Some people would just never have it. Wow. It’s a personality trait. Do you think a person can learn to have grit? I guess that would be the question. I think you either have it or you don’t. Wow. Wow. So you don’t think they can learn it, huh? If you don’t have it, how can you learn it? If it’s a personality trait, can you learn personality traits?
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That’s funny you said that because I was going to read with this psychologist. Everything that I’ve read so far was cited by this Angela Gertirez, and she was saying that if a person doesn’t have grit, it’s something they have to learn in order to be successful. If you’re going to have a successful business, You have to have grit. If you’re going to be a millionaire, you have to have grit.
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If you don’t have it, how do you learn it?
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That’s the question that I ask, too.
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How do you learn a personality trait?
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I think, and this is from everything I’ve read, I think the way a person learns to have grit is you have to get knocked down. If you never fail, then you can’t even learn what grit is. Because grit is what gets you back on your feet and keeps you on that path.
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So I think I agree with you on that. You can learn it. If you get knocked down. But if you don’t have it, I agree with you. You have to get knocked down. You have to have something happen to spark that in you. For sure.
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Oh, yeah, 100%. So that means that people have to be willing to fail. They have to be willing to fail. Sometimes people aren’t willing to fail. Fall forward.
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For example, let’s talk about this man. Sometimes people play it safe. Let’s talk about this man whose wife had dementia. For example, Michael. If you’re listening, thank you for the donation you sent us. He had to have had grit to stay with his wife the whole time when she had dementia because dementia is a part of Alzheimer’s, right?
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Well, there’s another element in that. I think. He also had to have love.
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Oh, my God. That is.
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Wow. Dude, dude, dude, dude. He just opened a can of worms, bro. Yeah, I think that’s where it all starts is with love. You have to love. I never thought about that. Yeah. You have to love what you’re pursuing. There’s a goal. When you have a goal, I think your mindset to achieve that goal.
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If he made a choice to be with his wife forever, he’s going to do whatever it takes.
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Wow.
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That driving force.
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Wow, man. Dude, I think, hey, I want to add that to the Bible. I know we shouldn’t add things because the plagues will be added to us. Well, then. I think I think one of the things that should be added is like, you know, you could you could speak in tongues and tongues of angels, but it sound like a clinging gong with you don’t have love. Right. You could have all these premonitions and visions. But if you don’t have love, then but like grit, like you could have drive determination to make your way through life and be successful. But if you don’t have love. It’s all worthless.
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That’s deep, dude.
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I never thought of what you guys are saying. If you think about it, you do have to love what you’re doing. You do.
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That never crossed my mind.
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I would not be an electrician today if I didn’t enjoy what I do.
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Wow. I wouldn’t be a windshield repairman today if I didn’t destroy a bunch of glass.
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but how many people do you think fail while they’re having perseverance and waiting but you know things are happening very slow you know like you’re trying to speak something into existence and time goes on and time goes on and time goes on before self-doubt comes in that’s the perseverance Yeah, but I’m saying how many people do you think fail at that point? I’m sure there’s a lot of people that fail. You might get to that point, but then somebody’s telling you it’s never going to happen, it’s not going to work, and before you know it, you start self-doubting and you start not believing.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s where you got to get those voices out of your head. If someone tells me I can’t do it, that’s going to drive me harder to prove them wrong.
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For sure. Why is that? It’s for me, too. When I get told I can’t, that’s the fuel that I run off of. It’s like the most premium fuel.
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And people call us at 303-477-5600 because I’m asking you guys the question. So love… Without love, you don’t have grit. Or does love and grit go together? Because that gentleman would have never stayed with her without the love factor.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think the love fuels the grit. Like you have to have grit. But that love is like… driving, I believe it would drive you forward.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I guess that brings up the next question when it comes to salvation, right? Salvation is God’s end goal for humanity. This is deep. You guys just opened my mind. Salvation is God’s end goal to humanity, but it takes his love to keep him on the path of forgiving everybody.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wait, no, I think it’s the opposite. Oh, you think it’s the opposite? Yeah, I think you need to love God to be perseverance to keep going when the enemy attacks you.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you don’t think it’s God’s love that keeps his mercy being applied to you every day?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, because that will never go away.
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That’s why he died on the cross, because he loved everybody. Should we thank the devil for testing us all the time so that we have to fight and have the grit to be loved by God?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, scratch that. But no, no, no, no. Honestly, so Brian is saying that it takes your grit and your determination to love God versus God’s love and determination on you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because his love towards you will never fail. That’s a word. It’s never going to go away.
SPEAKER 04 :
So do you think a person should love God first and God loves them, or does God love them, then they love God next?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I’m saying that it determines if you love God. If you’re going to persevere and be pursuant of God. And everybody’s calling us on the other side at 303-477-5600. This has now gotten really deep. We want people’s input of…
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How’s everybody doing today? This is KLZ 560 AM. This is the second part of our show. You can always get in touch with us at 303-477-5600. So we’re talking about grip. There’s something I want to read to you guys. Failure will… either debilitate someone and make them weak or feeble, or it will propel someone to look at their setbacks as data, not defeat, so grit matters. You made the comment, okay, what was it that you were wanting to say?
SPEAKER 09 :
I was just going to ask a question. So another definition of grit, sand, gravel, hard, sharp, granule, also material, abrasive. So if you have grit… Are you abrasive?
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I think you are, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think you are. And people, listen, call at 303-477-5600. Tell us if you can have grit without love or if love is what trumps it. Because on the other side, we were talking about… Michael, and for people that don’t know, he has a book. His wife had dementia, and we brought up the comment that he had grit to be able to stay with his significant other through such a hard time. Dementia is part of Alzheimer’s.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re forgetting things. In research and reading some of the book so far, I discovered that it’s the brain dying.
SPEAKER 04 :
So the brain dying, I mean, that’s powerful. Really? And for him to have stayed with his significant other, was it love or was it grit? And you said love trumps it all.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it was a combination of both. You have to have a… like grit, you’re not going to give up. Okay. You’re going to keep moving forward. You’re going to see it through. But without, love was, I believe love was the reason he stayed. He kept going forward. Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is so powerful, Brian. Yeah, the Bible says love endures all things. Wow. So when those challenges come and you love what you’re pursuing or your dedication, you will endure the obstacles and the challenges that come your way.
SPEAKER 14 :
What’s it say, B? It says love is not proud. It is not boastful. It does not envy. It does not boast. And it endures all things. So you have that. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
So with that love, you’re going to keep moving forward. You’re not going to give up on that thing that you love, whether it be your wife or your business or whatever it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
So do you think in a business aspect or a church aspect, like… people continue traveling down the path that they travel down is, number one, because they have love, and number two, they want to succeed. I mean, why would you keep… For example, look at all the failures. Like, we talked about Michael Jordan and him getting binged his senior year. If he didn’t love basketball, that could have probably threw him off course.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Could have caused him to give up if he didn’t have a love for the game.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think… I think grit and love go hand in hand. But I have to agree with you guys. I think love more. I think because God loves humanity, he died on Calvary. But I could be wrong. But I also, like I was saying, and that Brian disagreed with me and people call in because this is really good.
SPEAKER 03 :
I kind of get the feeling that you’re making that God, you know, stumbled upon falling in love with humanity when God is created out of love. God’s already loved us already. Well, the problem with that is… You’re saying he loved us after he died on the cross kind of scenario.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, the problem I have with God loving us first versus his grit being our salvation is he flooded the whole world and killed everybody. I mean, at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 14 :
Act of love, though, actually.
SPEAKER 04 :
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t love us. No, no, no, no, no. I’m not saying that that’s not an act of love, but I’m saying God’s determined grit outweighs his ability to love people. That’s a good point. Because he has a plan. So because he’s got a plan, he follows that through versus whether he loves somebody or doesn’t love somebody.
SPEAKER 14 :
Don’t you remember when Moses gave up on the people? He’s like, just start over, man. And God’s like, no, no, let’s keep going with these guys.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no, no, no, no. No, it happened twice.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, it happened once.
SPEAKER 09 :
It happened twice. No, it was Moses. Yeah. That said, no, we need to keep going with these people. Yes. Because it wasn’t God that was giving. God wanted to end them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Yeah. People call at 303-477. And Moses contended for them.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then God relented.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. He repented.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
So the way I think about it is everything is you guys are saying love comes first. I say, God, man, that’s throwing you for a loop.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you make a great point, though.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because I see God’s plan. He says, I follow my plan. Even though I love these people, I’ve got to do away with them for my plan. Yeah. Reno was first and then Brian.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I’m not saying love comes first. It’s a combination of grit. You got to have that love for what you’re doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Can grit cause a person to love somebody? Can grit do that? Can you want something so bad that you begin to love it?
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m going to show you grit right now, man. Grit. First hand. Because I mentioned Moses and contending with God, right? And how it was actually Moses was like, get rid of these people. And God was like, no. Well, it happened again, and it happened with Abraham, who was talking with God about, hey, if there’s like 50 people there, if there’s like 10 people there, and he’s like, I won’t kill them all for the sake of five for Sodom and Gomorrah. So he contended with God. No, wait, God wanted to kill them too. Yeah. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 04 :
When it comes to the ability of changing God’s mind, there’s a lot of people that don’t believe you can change God’s mind, and you can. It just happened right there in the Bible. It’s proven.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s proven in the Bible.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s proven in the Bible. And so listen, people call it 303-477-5600. I just think that grit comes first. And because you have such a determination for something, the love factor, maybe they just go hand in hand. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t think it’s one comes before the other. I think it’s a combination. If you have grit but you don’t love something, you’re not going to go after that.
SPEAKER 04 :
God, man, that is so true, man.
SPEAKER 09 :
If you love what you do and you don’t have grit, then you’re not going to see it through, although you love it. But if you love something and you have grit, there’s nothing that can stop you. Oh, my God.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is deep, dude.
SPEAKER 14 :
He has to be right right there, right guys? So are a lot of those just like synonyms in the same realm or same vein of something? So determination, follow through, perseverance, grit, love at the end of them all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yes, it has to be, because what makes a man successful? If you don’t have love and grit for the things that you want, you’re not going to obtain it, right? Right. You have to have a desire for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
You have to have a desire for it. Then you have to have an ability to get back up when you get knocked down, because if you’re going for something, business… Business will eat your lunch. And people call at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 04 :
Tell us what comes first, love or grit. I agree with you. It has to go hand in hand. But what comes first, though?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know if there is something. I don’t know if it comes first. Because grit is in you. If it’s not in you, you have to learn it. The only way to learn it is to need it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Failure. Failure. Overcome failure.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. But then that comes back to the same question. What about love? Is love something that’s in you or is love something that you’ve learned?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you have to experience something to know if that’s what you want to do. Oh, my.
SPEAKER 03 :
yeah i think a lot has to do with your upbringing though so you know a lot of athletes you know didn’t have the best place to live only had a mother didn’t have a father so why does everybody say only the mother and not the father because they most of the time that’s the that’s all you ever hear when they’re telling their story that’s all you ever hear most of the time oh my dad left us when we were younger we didn’t you know we lived in a bad you know neighborhood and that’s and that’s where but what i’m
SPEAKER 04 :
trying to say is we hear that stereotypical talk because it’s always when we at least the way I see it and I’ll let you talk it’s whenever we hear like oh my dad left ABC and D how many women have manipulated those kids and put a restraining order on the father, and these little kids don’t even know why their dad’s not coming along, and the mom makes the comment.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was a single parent. I had custody of my two kids when they were younger, and the mom left. She chose to left, so that’s not always the case, and they don’t publicize anything. They make a big deal about the dad leaving, but the mom leaving affects the kids just as much, if not more.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s funny you guys are talking about this. So does it take grit? You were a single dad. What was more? Did it take grit or love to make sure you were there for your kids even though she left?
SPEAKER 09 :
Obviously, I love my kids. Yeah, for sure. But there was nothing I wouldn’t do for them. Excuse me. There was nothing I wouldn’t do for them to see them happy. Right. Right. So. I work my butt off.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s deep, man. I mean, he was saying earlier that you’re either born with it or you’re not, but I say circumstances when you’re younger determines if you have it or you don’t. Shape it? Yeah, I think there’s shape in determination. I don’t believe you’re born with it. I believe you’re shaping into it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Call at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 03 :
Like I was saying, when you’re in a bad situation as a kid, more people are prone to…
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I’m saying you’re right. Oh, yeah. But you have to find out whether you have it or not.
SPEAKER 03 :
But how can you find out if you have it or not if you’re just born into success? You know, your family’s rich. Your family’s this. Your family has a lot of money. Do you need grit at that point?
SPEAKER 09 :
You just really need literacy to keep it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, of course. So now you’re telling me you need grit if you’re poor.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think that’s kind of what you’re saying. No, what I think he’s saying is grit is something that is found when you fail. And I don’t care if you have the type of money Elon Musk has, you’re eventually going to fail.
SPEAKER 03 :
So then it’s more than just money and obtaining possessions and materialism.
SPEAKER 14 :
So I’ll bring it back to what I started off with the show, man, is that I think that it’s quite possible that everybody in life has failed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, I believe that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Listeners, have you failed? Have we failed here? Yeah. So if everybody’s failed, then everybody in some capacity has grit.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s what I was saying. If you get back up. If you get back up. Because a person who commits suicide had no grit.
SPEAKER 14 :
But what about the 40 or 50 years that it took them to come to that conclusion?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean, grit is, if I’m understanding grit right, it’s to get to your end goal of success. If a person turns around and commits suicide because there’s so many circumstances.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I don’t agree with that. If someone commits suicide, they could have grit. You think they could? Yes, because there’s mental illness. For how long they’ve been doing that? Oh, I didn’t think about mental illness. So just because they committed suicide doesn’t mean they did not have grit, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah. Perseverance comes along with grit, and they weren’t persevering.
SPEAKER 09 :
That means they didn’t love themselves, so love and grit are different. That doesn’t. Yeah, of course love and grit is different.
SPEAKER 04 :
I got to disagree. But they go hand in hand. I got to disagree. Yeah, I got to disagree with you guys. I’m with Brian on this one. I disagree with you, too. People call that 303-477-5600. I disagree with you, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
If grit has perseverance and they kill themselves, they didn’t have perseverance to pursue.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s not true because there’s mental illness. They might’ve wanted it more than anything, but there is mental illness. Mental illness is a real thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you’re thinking, so you’re, you’re saying that the mental illness was so strong on them that they ended up committing suicide because they, they had no way out of their mental illness.
SPEAKER 09 :
Someone could have just grit and become depressed. or have some psychological problem or imbalance. That doesn’t mean they didn’t have grit.
SPEAKER 03 :
But the whole show we’ve been talking about is overcoming hard obstacles in hard situations.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Right. Have you overcome yours?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, dude, dude, dude.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’m still here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, oh, that’s powerful.
SPEAKER 03 :
But that doesn’t mean… That’s grit, though. That doesn’t mean he’s suicidal. Yeah, I did what the Bible told me. The Bible says a righteous man falls seven times and gets back up. I fell, you know, 70 times seven, and I’m still getting back up.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, we’re all getting back up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, I just… But this is me, guys. I think grit, if you commit suicide, I don’t think you had grit. But that’s me, though.
SPEAKER 09 :
So… Just because someone doesn’t commit suicide, does that mean they have grit?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. I think they’ve made up in their mind, determined whether they have a mental illness or not, that at the end of the day, I’m going to succeed.
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s a lot of homeless people out there that have given up on success. So you’re telling me they didn’t commit suicide.
SPEAKER 05 :
That means they had grit. That’s good. That’s good.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s very good. God, man, this is deep, dude. We need a psychologist. If you were a psychologist major, call at 303-477-5600. We would love to have somebody break this down for us.
SPEAKER 14 :
So now have we determined that only people who are living and haven’t died have grit?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what I tried saying is that if you committed suicide, that you didn’t have grit and you didn’t love yourself.
SPEAKER 14 :
I got one for you, man. Hey, we all have like electricity and running water and beds and stuff like that. You think you could have had the grit to survive like Egypt? You think you could have the grit to survive, like, 1904? Right. I’ve asked that question many times. Man.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, if that’s the way you were brought up.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Yeah. So then is it innate or is it nature versus nurture? So, like, circumstance seems to prove one’s grit or not. Circumstance. Wow. Wow. That’s what Brian was saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
So because I’ve asked the question many times, could you take somebody from 2024, 25, I mean, and put them back in, let’s say, medieval times? Would they survive? I don’t know if they have the ability to make it. there’s if you if you take so that that doesn’t make sense because they’re not from that but what i’m saying is would they have the ability to be able to adapt that way and survive would that grit kick in and they’ll say hey i’m going to make it that is the beautiful thing about humanity is that we usually have the ability to endure overcome have the grit and and adapt Because, guys, I want to say this. If you look at Donald Trump, he lost the election. That man didn’t need the money. He didn’t need to run again. He ran because he saw a situation. That had to have taken tremendous grit for that man to go back and start the election over and become president again. I think that took tremendous grit for him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, even when he got shot. Yes, you bring up a good point. I mean, most people would have checked out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, checked out. But he had something inside of him that said, hey, I’m going to continue. How’s it going, David? Tell us what you think. David!
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, how have you been? Good, buddy. I heard you talking about grit and whatnot, and I look at a lot of what’s going on as an intentional destruction of American standards. Wow. And there’s an old technique called strategy of tension. In order to break down the will of a nation… The saboteurs go out of their way to create havoc, and then they blame it on other people. Now, if you look up strategy attention, of course, the Nazis were famous for doing it. And they did it to come to power back in the 1930s. But they actually were in league with the former, the Kaiser, you know, that’s the king of Germany, or that was the king of Germany.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
And after World War I, he was kicked out, and the Germans were finally able to have freedom in the 1920s. But that Kaiser didn’t quit, and he went out of his way to use the strategy of tension to basically ruin the economy and have the German people so cowering that they would beg to have somebody like Adolf Hitler come to power.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. In 1956, it was learned that Hitler was actually in league with the Kaiser and that he was a front man for the former king and that the former king wanted to have such an insane fool come to power. that the people would beg to have the king back.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
So it’s an old trick, and I see that the tension that’s going on in America is basically just a repeat of this strategy of tension.
SPEAKER 04 :
Strategy of tension, man. We’re going to look at it. That’s deep. Are you like a professor or something? How did you know all this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I was brought up in one of the towns that was the biggest concentration of John Birchers in America. Really? We had Klansmen and Nazis and all sorts of aristocrats in town, and they were always spouting their crap. And we learned, don’t believe any of this hype. And so I’ve
SPEAKER 14 :
studied their lives for years and and figured out ways to counter this strategy of tension wow um david what um before we let you go what uh what example can you give us of grit that you’ve had in life that you’ve overcome or saw through your own grit
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think probably when I was most furious was when the hospitals, I lived out in Grand Junction during the early 80s. And if you’re familiar with out there, they had the oil shale project, and it got defunded. And rather than the city of Grand Junction acknowledging that the people who helped build that power system were a part of society. The power brokers in Grand Junction went out of their way to defund the hospitals and make sure that they tried to drive everybody out of town. And so two of my kids died. What? Because of that. They refused access to the hospitals when my wife was going through a serious miscarriage. And so two of my kids died because of their basic evil. And, you know, if you’re familiar with Colorado history, there was Ludlow, Colorado, when the same thing went on. You know, when the company town of Ludlow, the mine workers went on strike, the power brokers in Ludlow died. went out of their way to call in the National Guard and shoot and kill the striking miners. What in the world? Yeah, I mean, so there’s nothing new under the sun. Hitler didn’t learn this by accident. The Kaiser knew about the technique. It goes way back long before ancient Rome. And in fact, you know, Jesus, here we are, coming on Jesus’ so-called birthday, and he was fighting this same scam. Render on to Caesar his and toss that crap in the bushes.
SPEAKER 04 :
David, thank you for coming on air with us, man. You’ve got so much to talk about. Our next two episodes will be taped, so we won’t take callers. So in three weeks, call back, man. We’d like to have a talk with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, will do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Happy season, everybody. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Man, that was deep what he said.
SPEAKER 03 :
When do you think that shooting he was talking about happened?
SPEAKER 14 :
Ludlow?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, when was that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he was talking about… He said 1980s. Oh, 1980s. Maybe even sooner. Like, that’s deep. Did you hear what he said about Hitler? And so that is deep, dude.
SPEAKER 14 :
And the rise to power with the… It’s the dissension, but what is it? Pressure? Tension?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. And it just makes you wonder, like… He talked about grit in a different way because we’ve been talking about grit in positive, but that was grit in a negative way, right? Like that king didn’t want to give up his power, so he put somebody in power. Kind of like the Antichrist is going to be determined. That’s negative grit. I never thought about grit as being a negative thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good question. Which grit do you think has more grit, the negative or the positive?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is it easier for something to fall into disarray, decay, and dissension or to ascend?
SPEAKER 05 :
Callers, listen. Call at 303-477-5600. We love when y’all call because it opens our minds to something different.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was a great call. That was one of my favorite calls.
SPEAKER 04 :
One of my favorite calls. That was a great call, man. Because it went line and line what we’re talking about. I never thought about grit being something that could be negative.
SPEAKER 03 :
I never thought about that. But most people are determined by grit with the negative.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, most people are determined with grit in a positive sense.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I would say opposite. Oh, you think? Oh, yeah, I would say so because we are living in a fallen world, so most people are pursuing the wrong things to start with. Selfish, self-serving, all of that kind of stuff. I mean, look at the drug lords out there determined perseverance to be the biggest drug lord in history. I mean, just look at El Chapo. Arino. Arino.
SPEAKER 09 :
So what he was talking about, the Ludlow incident, it happened in 1914. Okay. So it’s a while ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
A long time ago.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
But that was cool. He knew about it. I had no idea, dude.
SPEAKER 14 :
He said the miners were getting, like, executed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Shot. Like, what in the world, man? Did you hear what he said?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, there’s a movie based on it. Really? Yeah. I’m all about movies.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you are all about movies. I think it’s interesting. Dude, he said he lost two of his kids because of what happened in Grand Junction. That’s unreal.
SPEAKER 09 :
That wasn’t Ludlow. That was something.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no. That was different. But he was tying all that into society and grit and nothing’s new under the sun. So basically the devil had negative grit. Maybe the devil really didn’t know what he was doing when he tried to revolt against God.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, of course he didn’t. You think he didn’t or you think he did? No, if he knew his punishment, he would have changed course.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t know. I mean, that color changed everything. Because my mind was so set on grit being positive, I never thought about it being negative.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that’s a beautiful attribute there. No, that was a good color, dude. But that’s a good attribute, though, to be. Not positive to the point of delusional, but positive to the point of you’re prone to think positively.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. So if it’s negative, does that throw out the theory of love? Oh, my God. Dude, see, that’s what I’m saying. He jacked up my whole show, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because I never thought about it. So can you have grit and it be a negative? Listen, people, we have one minute left. You mentioned drug dealers. They’re determined to hurt as many people as they can, make as much money as they can. That ain’t love, but they’ve got grit. No, they’re not determined to hurt people. They just… No, when you’re selling fat, no, you’re determined to hurt some people. No, if you get in their way. You don’t want to kill your buyer.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, you’re making money. Okay, okay. Their intention isn’t to kill, but that’s the effect of what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right. So, yes, I had it wrong. That’s 100% right right there. God, man, that makes me want to have another episode on this with talk about the negative part of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because now you’re asking the question, can love be a part of grit then? Yeah. Yes. I still think you can. People, thank you for listening today. Everybody have a Merry Christmas. Thanks, David. Yes. And go to look up Michael’s book. It’s called The ABCs for Dementia. And if you want some knowledge on dementia, get his book, buy it. And like I said, we’re going to talk about it on air. We won’t be able to receive calls, but we’re going to talk about it in. Y’all have a good afternoon and a Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 03 :
Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 07 :
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