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In this episode of The Kim Monson Show, Kim dives deep into the cultural and spiritual significance of Christmas with Scott Powell, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute. They unravel the rich tapestry of how Christmas underscores core Christian values and beliefs, highlighting the birth of Jesus Christ as a pivotal moment in human history. As they explore the influences of Christianity on Western civilization, the conversation takes a poignant turn towards understanding how early Christians brought change and reform, setting up schools, hospitals, and fostering an environment of compassion and service.
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Thank you, Kim. Good to be with you and your audience.
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Well, good to have you, and Merry Christmas. And let’s talk about Christmas in your book. It is Chapter 4, and it is the celebration of the birth of the Savior. And, oh my, we need a Savior right now. Well, we always do, but really right now, Scott Powell.
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Well, we do, and it’s interesting when we reflect on American culture. there has been perhaps maybe a little bit less now, there’s a little bit more confusion, but in earlier times, you know, I mean, Disney really made its mark in many ways by having, by the emphasis of, you know, of good triumphing over evil, of goodness and the need for you know, a prince or, you know, a king, a savior, to make things right. Superman came along, and, of course, Superman was a superhuman being. Well, that is the whole point of Christmas. Christmas is, you know, Christmas is a special time of year, of course, with the decorations, lights, scents, and wonderful music. But the real magic of Christmas is that it marks the birth of Jesus Christ, who came into the world… as the Son of God, the Messiah and Savior for all who accept him. In that sense, we can say that Jesus is probably the most revolutionary figure in human history. You know, the whole point of Christmas is that we are not and can never be good enough to face God. But Jesus, being God, stood in our place and was willing to die for our sins. And all we have to do is accept that and have faith in that and believe in that and ask Him into our life. You know, Christianity is radically different from all other religions in that it does not require performing certain works and rituals acceptable to God. And Christ specifically says in Matthew 1130 that, quote, my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Wow. When a learned Jewish Pharisee whose life revolved around living up to stressful demands of the Mosaic law asked Jesus, which was the greatest commandment in the law? Jesus answered simply that if we love God and love our neighbor as ourselves, we will have fulfilled all the laws. Wow. Isn’t that something?
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It’s simple, but we make it complicated, don’t we?
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Well, we do. Well, we’ve lost sight of this simple truth, and we’re not practicing it. And when we don’t, you see, we live in a spiritual world. You know, it’s not just a physical world. We have a spiritual atmosphere over our country, over our communities. And if we don’t fill that atmosphere with godly belief, with a spiritual environment, you know, of the golden rule, if you will, do unto others as you’d have them do unto yourself, what do you end up having? You end up having sort of the opposite, right? it’s the evil spiritual world that says, Oh, you’re, you just need to take care of yourself. It’s all about you. It’s all about selfishness. And, and when, you know, when we really get into the way we should live our lives, according to scripture, it’s really simple. You know, think of others ahead of yourself. Think that you’re at, think always how your actions and words, uh, influence other people. And, uh, And we really are called to live a life of service. When we think about economics, for instance, I’m an economist by training, and I’ve heard the arguments for years that the free market capitalist system is a system based on greed. Nothing could be further from the truth. And your sponsors all know this. The truth of the matter is that In order for a business to succeed, it has to produce something that people want, and it has to be of quality and offered at a price that people are willing to pay. So it’s outward looking. Businesses have to serve. They have to serve people’s needs. It’s not based on greed at all, really. And such a simple truth has been obfuscated. I mean, businessmen should be proud of what they do because they’re serving other people. And when they really reflect on that, and when that is part of their vision and mission statement, and that permeates the culture of a corporation, everything is different. Things work out much better. Well, they do. And people feel good about what they’re doing, and that’s really important. God designed us to have meaningful, fulfilling, and joyful lives. And when we practice this, it turns out it works. We feel better about our lives. We feel meaning and fulfillment and joy.
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So Scott Powell, the several things, the verse that you quoted to love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul, mind, body. And I’m paraphrasing and then love your neighbors as yourself. I had missed that as yourself for many, many years. And that doesn’t mean like a narcissistic love of oneself necessarily. But it is one that says, I am a child. I am a daughter of the ever living God. And because of that, I have to love myself because he loved me so much that he went to the cross for me. And so I think that it’s empowering and can not in a narcissistic or a total self-interest way, but a way to realize that, yes, my neighbor is precious and I am as well. And I think sometimes Christians miss that.
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Yes, I think they do. They miss a lot of things.
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True. Because we’re human beings, we miss a lot of stuff.
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We really need to read the Bible as frequently as we can. Every day would be the best, but with some frequency. It’s why we go to church. It turns out that we need to be reminded of what it means to live a good and complete life. We need to be reminded to practice things that really do work, that really solve problems, that really do what you just described, Kim, make you feel better about yourself.
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Well, and then the other thing that you hit on, and that is the employer is somebody who he is a creator. And when we go to that man was created in the image of God, I think part of it is, is that we are a creator. So now, there’s a difference between capitalism and cronyism. Cronyism is when big business and big government get in bed with each other and they use power and control and fees and taxes and all. That’s cronyism, and that’s what people don’t like. But those that want to demonize capitalism are really talking about cronyism, and I think we can all agree that we don’t like cronyism. But capitalism… Creating this value for value. And if you create value for value for some people and make a living, great. If you create value for value for a lot of people that really like your product, then you can get very wealthy. And I think there’s something great about that. But one of the most compassionate things now, I know that we are called to help those that cannot help themselves, which is a small group of the population. But I think the most compassionate thing that one man can give to another is a job. So an employer goes out, creates a business, creates a job, where trading value for value, the employee trades his value, his work, for his compensation. And there’s the dignity of work. It’s biblical. If you don’t work, you don’t eat. And there’s this dignity of work. And I think the most compassionate thing a man can give another is a job.
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That’s right. And, you know, if someone takes all of the Christian terms, you know, it might include, you know, prayer, forgiveness, you know… charity, and you could go down the list of adjectives that people would associate with Christian behavior, one will find that work actually comes up more frequently in the Bible than almost any other Christian term, with the exception perhaps of prayer and another term. I can’t think of it offhand, but work is talked about more than most other things in Scripture. So it is true that He designed us to work. And so we have, you know, this is off the topic, but maybe we can do this another time. You know, the New World Order people, you know, that now, you know, is quite taken with artificial intelligence, envisions a world where people, more and more people wouldn’t work. And that could be sustained because the economy will continue to be productive because of AI and robotics and so forth, and that people can then receive a check from the profitability of everything. So it’s a massive welfare state that these people really envision. And that’s just simply contrary to what the Bible tells us about life. So I think we have to follow the truth as we understand it biblically. And AI will create new jobs, that’s true. But if it puts more and more people out of work, I think… I think we just need to be, you know, we need to be aware of that and aware of the consequences. You know, the welfare state has really demoralized the recipients of welfare. It hasn’t made them better people for the most part. Yeah.
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No, and there are times when people need a hand up, and we get that. That’s right, yeah. But government should not step in to do that. Now, I know that we’ve got all of these… programs, government programs now, but we need to work to really get government back into its proper role. And if people have more money in their pocket and they thrive and prosper, Americans are very generous people. But the good thing about free markets, say, in in charity is that if a charity is not performing the way it’s supposed to, people don’t give to it. And I think that could be a great segue into another discussion that I’ll pose that question when we come back with Scott Powell. Scott Powell is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute. His book is Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. We have all of these discussions because of our great sponsors. And one of those is the Roger Mangat State Farm Insurance Team. And they are basically on call. You can call them or text them 24 hours a day if you need to reach them. And for that 24-hour peace of mind, reach out to Roger Mangan. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And we’re getting into year end. We’re pre-recording all these shows for Christmas week. And as you know, the two nonprofits that I highlight on a regular basis, they do not receive any government money. It is all from our… our investments in their charities, and that is the USMC Memorial Foundation. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And please make a year-end tax-deductible contribution so that we can continue to honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. And then the other nonprofit is the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. which is known as the home of heroes because there’s four medal of honor recipients that grew up there and so they honor our medal of honor recipients with their portraits of valor but also these great educational programs k-12 and for educators focused on honor integrity and patriotism and you can make that year-end tax deductible contribution by going to americanvaluecenter.org And we are talking with Scott Powell regarding his book, Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. We’re talking about Christmas. And we mentioned charity, which is one of the things, it’s a focus of the Christian faith, and that is charity, helping to take care of our neighbors. And that is a noble thing and a good thing. For example, this is the story of the Good Samaritan, who he helped this guy that had been robbed and beaten up by the side of the road. But what I’ve seen is when government gets involved in charity, that’s not a good idea. And I think the reason is because they are not accountable to results like a business is in a free market. So instead of results, they receive funds, and we’ve seen them. They’ve been doling money out to NGOs, nongovernmental organizations, government grants, and this has gotten out of control. We just saw these headlines regarding the Somali people in Minnesota that have been bilking the American taxpayer out of… Billions of dollars. Billions of dollars. And so the things that are good about Christmas, about Christianity, we’ve seen people can take that goodness and then have played on our hearts on that, started these government programs and ended up not helping the people they say they’re going to help, but putting a lot of money in their own pockets or sending it back to Somalia This is taking the idea of Christmas, Christianity, and I think using it against us in a way. What do you think?
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Oh, I agree, Kim. You know, I think that in the early days before the welfare state, in early America, it was the church that provided education. Charity and help to people to people in need. In fact, you know, when we reflect on history, Jesus came into the world to challenge everyone and everything. And he came into the world to change history. And at that time, and subsequent to Jesus’ life on earth, he, of course, gave up his life. And then Christianity developed after he passed away by his apostles. But we could just simply say that since we’re talking about Christmas and the birth of the Messiah, the birth of Jesus, that he brought about things. And he brought about things that no one else could do. early followers of Jesus ended infanticide, human sacrifice, mistreatment of women and the poor. And it was Christians who promoted universal education, both lower schools and universities. You know, the Ivy League schools, with the exception of one, I think all the Ivy League schools, and I think there are, what, nearly 11, 10 or 11 Ivy League schools, so-called, they were founded as seminaries. They were founded as higher levels of higher learning, university-level learning, and the focus was on biblical truth. Incredible. And this was, you know, this is in relatively recent history we’re talking about, You know, the 1700s, I think a few of the universities were actually established before the 1700s, in the late 1600s. And all of that has been lost, of course. When we really think of Christians serving these roles, it’s really remarkable. Another thing that perhaps a lot of your listeners never heard before, but I’ll just share it, is that it was understood that in the early Christian church, there were more women than men. And why was that? Well, in pre-Christian times, Europe, the Mediterranean cultures, male children were considered, were revered. Everyone wanted to give birth to a boy because of the inheritance and just the social order valued men more than women. And so what happened was that people would put their baby girls out there You know, it was called, you know, they exposed them. They put them out in nature where they were exposed to the elements and they would die. Well, when Christian people learned about this, they began rescuing these little baby girls. And all these baby girls were raised in Christian families. And, of course, they learned that it was Christians who saved them because the stories were told. And so it was that the early Christian church had far more women than men because it was Christians and it was men who would go into the elements and women both and save these little baby girls.
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It’s an amazing story, and I think I heard somebody said that the Christians would hear these little babies crying in the forest, and they would rescue them.
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Rescue them? Wow. We have this amazing history, and we sort of take it for granted that we are who we are because we’re caring good people, but we stand on the shoulders of… of great Christian people who really shaped culture and put in place many things that we now take for granted but did not exist were it not for Christians. And I didn’t mention about health care. It was Christians who sought to provide health care to everyone, and they were the first to establish hospitals. So it’s really quite amazing.
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Well, that’s my understanding, though. So with the, and you’re the economist, but this has been my understanding, with the amendment to the Constitution, the income tax amendment, then that created this nonprofit status. At the time, it was churches primarily that were providing hospitals and care for senior citizens. And they said, well, gosh, we shouldn’t tax them. So that created this nonprofit status. which I think we need to get rid of that. I think we need to lower taxes across the board and get rid of this whole nonprofit status. But then I think that that all stemmed back from the income tax. And now we have this nonprofit status that you can drive a truck through for ideological, political. It’s not supposed to be political, but it is. And so now we can drive a truck through this whole nonprofit thing.
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Yes, absolutely. Anytime you have government overseeing programs, you just have – you open the door to corruption. I mean, people – power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. And time and time again, we’ve seen how government influence brings corruption into – into the picture. It, it heightens, uh, corrupting influences. And, um, that’s, that just goes with government. Uh, and so it is that we should really limit the scope of government and the, the argument for limited government, uh, stands on a lot of different, um, legs and, um, a more limited government that is focused on its main job, its main purpose is to protect citizens’ rights, first and foremost. And we are unique. I mean, the other thing I would say to people is that America is really the fulfillment of Christian values. values. The freedom that we take for granted really comes from God. You know, God created us to be free. And God gave us unalienable rights that no government can take away from us. In fact, in the Constitution, it is government’s main job to protect our unalienable rights. This makes us different from almost every other country in the world. And so it is that we have the protection of free speech and freedom of assembly, and many other things, freedom of worship, the right to protest and so forth, that really is protected by our Constitution. And, of course, the Second Amendment is fairly unique to America. So our country is truly shaped by Christianity.
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Well, and yes, they are so connected. And because America was founded regarding individual rights, individual property rights and the individual, and Christ went to the cross for the individual. So I’ve always thought those two things were so connected.
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That’s right. Yes. Yeah. Okay.
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Well, we’re going to continue the discussion. Go ahead, Scott Powell.
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Go ahead. If we have time, we might address how and why people can trust that Christ is the Savior and that he lived and that he’s still alive. How can we be sure of that?
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. We are pre-recording these shows for this week. And I just wanted to mention Mint Financial Strategies, a great sponsor of the show. And if you have big dreams for your future, particularly as we’re getting into the new year, and you’re not quite sure how to get there, well, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They know that your financial life, just like you, is unique. And as an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they build personalized strategies that put your freedom and goals first. No sales pressure and no one-size-fits-all approach, just thoughtful guidance built around you. So take that first step for your financial future. Call Mint Financial Strategies. That number is 303-285-3080. 303-285-3080. We’re talking with Scott Powell. He is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute. He is also the author of the book Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. And we’re talking about Christmas. And how can people be assured that Christmas, that Christianity, that Jesus is real, Scott Powell?
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Well, First, the account of Jesus Christ is more historically verifiable than other renowned figures in their works who lived in that ancient time and era, you know, including literary greats like Virgil and Horace and military kings like Alexander the Great, because of the number of eyewitness accounts, the lapse of time of the written record, and the number of surviving manuscripts. So again, Ancient history, and Jesus’ part of ancient history, is most verifiable when you have three things. When you have the number of eyewitness accounts that lived at that time and then recorded what they saw. And so the importance of recording is important, especially in ancient history, because… History was oral. There weren’t that many scribes, and you had to pay someone to write. So a lot of times we base history on what was verbal history for not just decades, but centuries, as I’ll explain. And that was true for Alexander the Great and Virgil. But then there’s the issue of the written record, and because it’s ancient… You know, you don’t have, you know, digital electronic devices that will permanently record it. They were writing on papyrus and other… documents that didn’t survive time very well. And so sometimes, in the case of the Bible, the Bible was put together through multiple partial manuscripts. So anyway, no one doubts that Virgil and Horace lived and originated great poetic masterpieces, although the written manuscript of their works were recorded more than 400 years after they died. There are only two original biographical accounts of Alexander the Great written by Arian and Plutarch, some 400 years after Alexander died. But the eyewitness accounts of Jesus were recorded in writing within a generation of his life. In addition, there are about 1,000 times more manuscripts that preserve the deeds and teachings of Jesus in than there are of ancient documents preserving other classical ancient works and records of historic figures who lived at approximately the same time. That’s extraordinary, and that’s just factual. I’m not exaggerating it. Those are the facts. Second, Christ is the only person in history who was preannounced starting 1,000 years before he was born. with 18 different prophets from the Old Testament between the 10th and 4th centuries B.C., predicting his coming, his life, his death, and hundreds of years later, the circumstances of Christ’s birth, life, death, and death. life and death validated those prophecies in surprisingly accurate detail and this is absolutely unique to jesus christ no one else no one else in all of human history was you know was prophesied you know starting a thousand years before he came and um It turns out that the Jewish people tended to focus on the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, and they neglected the prophets because if they really read the prophets, they would have recognized who Jesus was.
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Okay, Scott Powell, I’m going to ask you a very elementary question. Sure. And that is, because yes, Christ was prophesied in the Old Testament, but why having to wait a thousand years for him to come? I know that’s a very human, elementary question, but I wonder that. What would you say to that?
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Well, I think, first of all, Christ just didn’t come anywhere. You know, God’s providence required that a nation be raised up, be prepared to receive the Messiah. So Israel, you know, went through many struggles, right? It went into Babylonian captivity and had various problems, but ultimately Jesus came when the nation of Israel was best prepared. But isn’t it, you know, Isn’t it interesting, since we’re talking about Christmas, you know, God raised up this nation, Israel, to receive the Messiah. That was a Jewish nation. But it’s significant that it was non-Jews who came to Jesus’ birthday, right? His birthday party, if you will. It was the Magi. You know, we sing, we three kings of Orinara. That’s actually not accurate. It wasn’t kings. It was magi who worshipped, who came to worship Jesus, who followed the star to find him. They came from the east. And it wasn’t just three. It was more than that. And these people worshipped astrology. They didn’t know anything about Judaism. But it was those people who submitted to Jesus and gave them gifts. It was also the lowest class that flocked to Jesus’ birth, and those were the shepherds who were considered the lowest class of people. So Jesus was really not the king of the Jews, as it turns out, at least at his birth. He was and is the king of the world for all people. You know, he’s different than any other king, too. Almost without exception, kings rule over people with absolute power. That’s always what sort of goes along with monarchy and kings. But Jesus laid his life down for all people. In other words, he sacrificed his life. He was a very unusual king in that respect because he wanted to give spiritual salvation and open the way for all people to have a relationship with God. By dying in their place, it’s we who should have died. It’s we who should go to hell because of our sinful nature. But Jesus, in dying in our place, as sort of a ransom, he provided this… for us to have a full relationship with God. And it isn’t through our works. We can never perform enough works to be worthy of God. So Jesus introduced a, a whole new way of thinking about, uh, coming to the Lord. I mean, it, it’s, it’s not by works that we come to the Lord. It’s by our, our faith and our belief, uh, and, and our, and our commitment. And, uh, And our surrender. Surrender is so important. When you think about who came to Jesus, you know, the Magi, you know, they completely surrendered to this little baby. You know, they brought these very expensive gifts. They got down on their knees and worshipped him. You know, whereas the Jews, who got down on their knees and worshipped Jesus? They opposed him for the most part, you know, the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees and scribes, because Jesus came with a new truth. And Jesus came for all people. So he focused a lot on sinners. You know, he was criticized by the Jews for, you know, for, you know, going, sharing a dinner where there were sinners present, you know, a prostitute present. You know, we remember the story of Mary and Martha. But Jesus also said, I came not for the healthy, but for the sick. I came for sinners.
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Which is all of us.
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Which is all of us. All of us. And this was revolutionary. And so it doesn’t require works. It requires an understanding of who Jesus was. and surrendering ourselves, saying, we are not good enough. We’ll never be good enough. But we accept that you died in our place. We love you for that. We want to invite you into our life so that we can surrender ourselves, so that we can be transformed by your presence in our life. And we do that mentally. We do it by our thoughts, by our prayers. And going to church helps. Reading scripture helps. I mean, you could say, and I have told people, skeptics, I’ve said, even if you don’t believe in Jesus dying for our sins, being the Messiah, can you find any collection of of uh of written work in any religion that even comes close to the teachings of jesus christ his teachings are so profound so deep that they’re they’re mind-blowing and they’re mind-blowing in their simplicity so that everyone can understand it
SPEAKER 06 :
So there’s two things that, as I’m hearing you talk about this, you just said the word everyone, and then you said all people.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, when I say, I generalize, and I probably misspeak.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I love that. I wanted to expound on that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think it can be everyone, but it isn’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, but Christ, you said he came for all people. Now, we make the choice whether or not to accept him or not, but he came for all people. And when we hear the term equal rights, equality on a consistent basis in the news today, we’re who’s the great, I want to say in a way, equalizer, and that was Christ. Because he came for all people in all times. And this is a big revelation I just came to with you, Scott Powell. He’s the great equalizer. I like that. I think I’m going to go with that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I like it too. Yeah, he was, you know. And so that gives, you know, should be a source of great hope for people. You know, some people, you know, they just, they can be at sort of their wit’s end on the problems of their life. And they may try counseling. They may try this or that. Some people turn to drugs and alcohol. The message to them is the same, and that is that you won’t solve your problems in any… Many of your problems cannot be solved except through a superman, through a savior, and that’s Jesus Christ. And as you submit to him, in other words, you submit your problems to him. You say, I can’t stop smoking. I can’t seem to stop drinking. I’m a drug addict. I’m, you know, I… But I… I know that it doesn’t lead to a good future. I’ll die early. You know, it’ll destroy my marriage. So what do you do? Well, you turn these problems over to Jesus. you pray and you say, I’m going to give you this problem. And when I’m tempted to, you know, to have a drink or take a smoke, I’m going to invite you in to sit next to me while I’m imbibing in these things. I’m going to invite you in every time. And that’s all you need to do. As you sit down, because you’ve got a habit, you can’t break it yourself. You invite Jesus to sit there with you and he will sit there with you. And if you do that every day, you will find that you will lose your desire to continue in that behavior. The smoking will no longer be appealing. Drinking will no longer be appealing. And you will find that you get your freedom back. God wants you to be free of these things. These things cripple you. They cripple your life. And so getting free of them is one of the most important things you can do, and there is no sure way other than Jesus Christ. Alcoholics Anonymous, the power of AA, is largely… It doesn’t profess to be a Christian organization, but it operates under all the Christian principles. And so it is that… That’s probably the most successful organization, and it’s very unstructured. It’s decentralized. There’s no central authority that tells all the chapters of AA what they need to do. The only emphasis is that you give people a forum to gather people together that have the same problem and that you create a forum where people give their testimonies. And as they give their testimonies, the listeners who have the same problem, that’s me.
SPEAKER 06 :
wow i mean i i’m the same and yeah and so it’s a it’s very powerful and it works well and what you’re talking about is hope and when we come yeah when we come back we’re going to talk about christmas and hope and i’m talking with scott powell many seniors are feeling squeezed because of inflation higher property taxes and increasing costs of living if you’re 62 or older a
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and welcome back to the kim monson show be sure and check out our website that is kim monson monson.com and we are pre-recording these shows with special guests during the week of christmas i’m talking with scott powell he’s a senior fellow at the discovery institute he’s also the book of rediscovering america how the national holidays tell an amazing story about who we are we’re talking about christmas and i mentioned hope And I think Christmas and the American idea both offer such hope for the individual. How would you connect those two things, Scott Powell?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I’d say Christmas is foundational to America’s original character. If Christ had never been bored and died the way he did, all of history would have been different. neither Columbus nor the pilgrims would have received or have been motivated by the good news of salvation through Christ to explore or establish new communities with a higher purpose in the new world. Remember, the early pilgrims and the Puritans came here likening themselves to the to the Israelites leaving the bondage of Egypt to go to the Promised Land. The view of the New World was the Promised Land. And there never would have been a constitutional government created in the way and the time that it was in America without two necessary conditions. First, the foundation of recognizing man’s unalienable rights of freedom and equality that came out of the teachings of Christ. But they really didn’t get fully recognized until the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. So all these things were sort of necessary. But second, the unprecedented collection of Christian human genius that came together. Rather amazingly at the time, the people that we call the founding fathers, they were 95% Christian in their beliefs. 95% of the founders were Christian in their beliefs. And it was their extraordinary biblical, historical, and classical learning together with their wisdom, their temperament, and their practical experiences that enabled them to write and frame the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. And equally important, you know, those Christian founders… knew the potential depravity that exists in everyone that can lead to abuse of power and tyranny. And so they structured the government with the checks and balances between the three branches of government and also through the federalist system of division of power between the states and the federal government. And you can see that playing out in Colorado with its tension with the federal government right now. Donald Trump has forgiven Tina Peters, and yet the governor of Colorado and the establishment of Colorado is resisting that. You know, it’s so profound was the accomplishment of the founding fathers that it far surpassed achievements of the Periclean Athens in Greece, Cicero in the Roman Republic, Florence under the Medicis, or any other nation. The founding of America was the greatest political and civic event in human history, which is why domestic and foreign evil enemy forces relentlessly work to destroy the united states evil is at war with us we have to understand that it’s a war on every front and it is christianity that gives us the strength to resist it and to defeat it and i’d say that well it’s christianity that uh… you said strength uh… and also courage courage is absolutely take action on it it absolutely courage you know it’s remarkable that christ had no servants Yet everyone called him master. He had no formal education or degree, yet educated Jews even called him rabbi and teacher. Jesus had no medicines, and yet he was desperately sought out as a healer. He had no army, yet emperors and kings feared him. And while that empire would crumble and fall, Jesus died. who had neither an army nor won military battles, went on to become the Lord and Savior for people who believe in him all over the world. While Jesus did say, my kingdom is not of this world, he also taught his disciples the Lord’s Prayer, in which he implored that God’s, quote, will be done on earth as it is in heaven. In the end, the Christmas story is about peace, And a great joy and goodwill will triumph over evil. And that should be our Christmas prayer.
SPEAKER 06 :
Definitely. And we’ve got just a couple of minutes left. But even though he said his kingdom is not of this world, we are living in this world at this time. So we as Christians… have a duty to engage in our society. We can’t put blinders on and put our head in the sand and say, I’m a Christian and God’s got this because I am a Christian and God’s got this, but we have a duty to engage in this battle of ideas that’s occurring. And you’re doing that on a regular basis, Scott Powell, as we are at the Kim Monson show also, but we have that duty.
SPEAKER 10 :
We do. You know, there really are no rights. You know, everyone’s clamoring for their rights. Everyone clamors for their rights. But there are no rights without responsibilities. And it’s the responsibility for every one of us citizens in America to vote, to be engaged in some way in making our communities better. And sometimes very, very busy people that make money, they can certainly be careful about where they donate their money, but they can help. So we all have responsibilities that we have to fulfill in order that God’s will can be realized on earth, in our communities, in our country.
SPEAKER 06 :
And we pray each day for guidance and discernment and wisdom in what he wants us to do. And then we go out into our society as happy warriors for Christ. And again, Christmas is such a great time. Scott Powell, I so appreciate you. These are such special features that we get to do with you. And I wish you were in the Christmas season, actually, up until January 5th is considered the Christmas season. So I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, prosperous 2025. And we’ll talk again very soon.
SPEAKER 10 :
Very soon. Look forward to it, Kim. Thank you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, and our quote for the end of the show is from John Greenleaf Whittier. He said this, a little smile, a word of cheer, a bit of love for someone near, a little gift from one held dear, best wishes for the coming year. Bees make a merry Christmas. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate endlessly well, live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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And welcome back to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team I work with as producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. We are pre-recording for this week of Christmas with special guests and special subjects. And pleased to have on the line with me, he’s a regular guest on the show. He is a concerned citizen, really is learning, watching what’s going on with many of these issues that affect our lives and we don’t even know about them. And that’s at the local government or at the state government. And he’s just doing a great job. He’s also with the Ralston Valley Coalition. Mike Rolick, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good morning, Kim. How’s it going? Good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it is going well, and we always seem to run out of time when you’re on. You’re on regularly on Wednesdays for the second segment. And Joe and I were talking about guests for this Christmas week, and Joe said we should get Mike on and give him some more time. So that’s what we’re doing. So where should we start, Mike Rolick?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, maybe a little bit of a recap of some things we’ve talked about this year. And one thing that I think we all care about is transparency and the idea that. We can be more and more involved in state and local governments if they are utilizing different virtual platforms. And earlier this year, Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition had penned a letter. I know you were a co-signer as well as a lot of different groups left, right and center to talk about this video live streaming. It was a pilot program. that was run at the state legislator uh committee so people could actually watch the legislator as opposed to just only hear it i’ve sat in on some of these when you can only just hear it you really don’t know what’s going on in the room there’s been studies and discussion about what 60 to 90 percent of our communication is non-verbal as well as you’re missing the powerpoint presentations and slides that people would have so thank you for signing that letter and it looks like um the particular committee that would be voting on it while they don’t meet in december that they’re looking to hopefully bring this back in january and i don’t know if you had uh kept up with that but it’s uh mccluskey uh julie mccluskey is the uh the the committee chair um and they’re looking to bring a vote back in in january on this they said it’s about a 70 000 price tag
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s peanuts with all the amount of money that they’re wasting down there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Take the words out of my mouth. The price of the First Amendment is, to me, priceless. People have literally gone to wars in foreign lands to help keep this First Amendment and our other freedoms alive, and we thank them with reverence. But then for $70,000 to be a sticking point, Yeah, it’s kind of funny. So hopefully it comes back. And just for the statistics, it was accessed 15,000 times during the pilot phase. So even if all you get is the same recidivism of 15,000, you know, quick math says, you know, for three to five dollars thereabouts, someone can watch an hour or two hour live stream of their favorite committee. and see what’s actually happening in the room, be able to comment hopefully as well. And that depends on the committee rules of the day. We’ve been able to comment on some and just only listen to another. But if I was able to then see the PowerPoints and such as they went and see reactions of the different legislators that are there, I think you get a much more full experience. So really, for 15,000 people tuning in, or that many people, if it could be 5,000 people tuning in three times, whatever, but I think you’re definitely getting your money’s worth at about $4 per view.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, transparency is the first thing that we need. We need to know what’s going on in order for us to reclaim our state and our country. What we have learned is that PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties, are doing all kinds of things that is affecting our individual liberty, which is our responsibility. are right. Well, liberty is our responsible exercise of freedom. But our country was founded on liberty. And you are really doing great work on watching what’s happening with all this microlic.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, no, and I appreciate that. You know, the core request system can definitely probably have some improvements as well as we go. But people have to exercise that right kind of like a muscle, you know. And McCluskey says right here, she says, I look forward with optimism that we will expand the service that we started to provide and allow video streaming for all of our committee rooms. And that’s a really positive thing to see from someone in power that actually wants to increase transparency. I think we all remember that situation where they decided that text messages between senators or legislators in general were going to be exempt from sunshine law. And I know that that was a big sticking point with some of the journalists that I know. Because if you’re texting about plans to write legislation and what have you, shouldn’t that be part of the public process? And it got carved out. I was actually encouraged that last year they did not extend legislation. the period that someone would have to wait for their court request. I don’t know if you remember that bill came up, but it passed through the Senate and the House, and then Polis actually vetoed it, which was surprising, but credit where credit is due. They were trying to extend it past the time that you might actually need actionable intelligence. And that was something that I had said during testimony, is you have a four-day work week, right? For a lot of government institutions now, it’s usually Monday through Thursday, and they were looking at having, I think, a 15- or 16-day period that they could extend out how long they can give you your records. I was like, well, what if you needed it for something? What if it’s a land hearing or something like this that you needed records for, and the hearing goes by prior to you getting the records? That’s not quite fair. What if it’s something with a school district? The same thing, you know, like a kid being treated unfairly. And I know, you know, there are some situations where parents wanted records from schools to see what was going on. And if there’s a delay in this situation, how does that help? And they also wanted to change the price structure as well. So, yeah. During that testimony, I think I could be proud to say that there was a specific attorney general who called out a court request that I did about trees and tried to make it sound like it was innocuous and stupid that someone would quarrel about trees. But what we were really quarreling about was the grant money that was going into the clear cutting up in the Jeffco open space. And so when we’re looking at taxes and we’re looking at accountability, I thought it was quite important to see what was happening so during that testimony she had gone first and she says oh my gosh you know we’re wasting all this time and resource on someone coring something about trees and then i got to go second i was like yes that was actually me and you know i yeah i worked with your your core custodian really well we set up a time and a deadline and a price structure to work for everybody it was a great experience and what we were looking for was grant money
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Well, good for you. And we’re going to continue to talk with Mike Rolick about some of the things that were important during 2025. And he is a concerned citizen. He’s really taken it upon himself with curiosity to find out what’s going on. And he’s doing important work as a citizen and also with the Ralston Valley Coalition. And it is so important that we work with great people as we are trying to reclaim our state. And we are prerecording these shows for the week of Christmas and really excited to talk with our great sponsors. And that is Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins with Spartan Defense, which is a great firearm store. in Colorado Springs, but they also have created the second syndicate to bring together these voices so that we can have a real voice down at the Capitol as this legislative session begins. But Alicia Garcia, welcome. It’s great to have you. Good morning. And Teddy Collins, it’s great to have you as well. So let’s first of all just talk about what’s happening at Spartan Defense. We are pre-recording this. It’s broadcasting on the 26th. Year-end, is there things people should do if they want to buy a firearm? Are you running any specials? What does that look like, Teddy?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely. We have our end of the year sale. It’s one of our bigger sales of the year, where we just do deals on pretty much everything in store. So, if you are looking to get something before the end of the year, definitely a good time to stop by in Spartan Defense and check out the selection of wares. For those of you who are looking for those late Christmas presents, you may have missed getting something for someone for Christmas, you can always run by and get a gift card from us as well for the holidays. and or pick something up last minute for them to be able to come in and pick up or us to ship out to them across the country.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, with these year-end sales, I was just thinking about it. Probably a smart thing to do for people watching their budgets is to maybe get together with friends and family, celebrate Christmas, and then do their shopping after so they can partake of all these deals. I think that might be a new strategy for me, Teddy Collins.
SPEAKER 09 :
Honestly, it’s sometimes good. The year-end sales, you see a lot of people clearing out inventory that they don’t want to get stuck with at the start of the upcoming year. And then also to get those last few dollars for revenue numbers to be able to set records and to be able to set sales goals.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. And where is Spartan Defense, Teddy Collins?
SPEAKER 09 :
So we’re located in the Colorado Springs at 6130 Barnes Road. That’s off of Powers near the Costco on the east side of the Springs. Come on down and check us out sometime. We always tell people we’re hard to find only once, but it’s worth the drive. It’s worth the coming and scope us out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and Elisa Garcia, you’re also involved with Spartan Defense, but you also help people with concealed carry classes and non-lethal methods on protecting themselves as well. Just tell us a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. So not only do we make sure that we can arm people through Spartan Defense, we also make sure that everybody can get training. So I host training classes every Saturday and Sunday for concealed carry, either to get brand new concealed carry applicants or to renew your concealed carry. I also do private instruction. We do consultations. We help fit people to the proper firearm. And if there’s a specific firearm or something that you’re looking at, if you would like to test guns out, because we should be shooting guns before we buy them, we can make sure that you have everything you need before you go ahead and no pun intended, but pull that trigger on that decision. So we can accommodate you through the entire process.
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Okay, and your information for your business, Concealed Carry of Denver and Spartan Defense are on my website. We’ve got about a minute left. Hard to believe 2026 is right around the corner. The second syndicate, you and Teddy Ambrosia, created this to be an advocate down at the Capitol, and it could be a wild year regarding the Second Amendment, Teddy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it sounds like we’re in for a rough ride this year. We need everybody to be prepared, everybody to show up and testify they can. We’re hearing about an armory bill. We’re hearing about an NSA ban. And now we’re hearing about an AWB bill, assault weapons bill, on top of 003, which is going to make it even more restrictive. So, yeah, we need people to pay attention, show up, and we need people to get out and vote and bring their neighbors to vote, make sure everybody’s voting for the Second Amendment and against these unconstitutional infringements.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And Alicia Garcia, the second syndicate, how can people support you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Head over to thesecondsyndicate.com, the2ndsyndicate.com. They can donate there. We have a lot of fundraisers and charity work that we’re doing right now. We’re doing our best to raise money for Faster Colorado that way we can arm more teachers in the state of Colorado and protect our most precious asset, that being the youth. So if you are interested in supporting us, we are for the people, by the people. Head over to thesecondsyndicate.com and donate.
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And we are in this battle of ideas and protecting our constitutional rights. Teddy Collins, Alicia Garcia, it’s great to be in this battle of ideas with you. I wish you a very prosperous 2026, and we will talk in the new year. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Happy New Year.
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If we could get into a little bit more of the flock safety situation, that would be great if that’s okay with you.
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Sure, let’s do it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sounds good. So there’s a – we covered the fact that flock safety – is that automatic license plate reader company but they’re also working with ring camera they’re also doing the drone first responder program out in denver uh does look like arvada is doing a request for quote for drone first responder as well i i haven’t found out yet who the winner of that rfq was but in in the in the interest of transparency i did ask arvada PD spokesperson if there was a public comment period. And he said, no, there wasn’t. So, you know, so it is interesting to see a police department. And look, I have a lot of respect for the police. What I am worried about right now is third parties. selling products and influencing. Same with like Pano AI and how they’ll go to individual counties or individual fire protection districts and sell the benefits there. But, you know, it’s tough to have that global perspective of saying, well, we might be able to stop crimes, and that’s true, but are we infringing on rights of folks who are not committing crimes as well? I have a problem with the term law-abiding citizen because, you know, Rush Limbaugh back in the day would go over those studies about, oh, everybody… probably commits a crime once a week or whatever it was because there’s like 8,000 different statutes here and 50,000 pages of statutes there. So it’s difficult to use the term law-abiding citizen because once you throw a ball for your dog and let him off leash, you are no longer a law-abiding citizen. But I think we always think about the big crimes, right? Like the big stuff when we say a law-abiding citizen. So you’re not actively trying to commit a crime, but then you can get snared up in this Fox safety stuff. So What he had mentioned here, the decision to explore the DFR program was a decision made by Arvada PD, but the process does not include a public comment component similar to many other operational decisions that they make. And then he says any eventual implementation and use of the DFR being compliant to the U.S. and Colorado laws and constitutions. federal and state case law and in line with law enforcement best practices. So I did write back to that because what’s one of the big cases we’ve talked about this year is Carpenter versus the U.S., right? And that was the establishment that cell phone records held for more than seven days without any particular crime in mind. They’re just looking for data and storing it. Should be constituted to be a search under the Fourth Amendment. Flock routinely will record and save that data on their servers for 30 days. So on its face, it will look like Flock is in violation of Carpenter v. C.U.S., but someone could say, but wait, this is automatic license plate footage or this is drone footage. And then there was a case, I think it’s called a beautiful struggle versus Baltimore case, or Beautiful People vs. Baltimore that expanded Carpenter v. First U.S. to include drone footage of people that were exercising their First Amendment rights protest. Now, we could get back and forth as to the contents of that protest, but the idea was that you can’t have drone footage just watching people’s activities for X number of days as well. When we look at the very fact that flock safety is holding that data for that amount of time and they’ll allow an individual police department to download and store on their own servers for even longer. We don’t know how long. How does that fit in with the statement that they’re going to follow the Constitution and case law?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and this is really against is the Fourth Amendment that’s against search and seizure. Is that right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, I believe so. You’re securing their effects, and it also applies to reasonable suspicion. I was reading some of that last night as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, let me, yeah, and I’ll pull that out just to make sure that I am remembering this correctly. Yes, the Fourth Amendment is the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause. supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. Our founders were so smart. Now, they didn’t like the British doing these unreasonable searches. But now we have technology. And many times when we agree, we’re giving them permission to do so. But this could really be used… It could be used for good, and it could be used for nefarious things. And that’s why what you’re doing and keeping an eye on this is so important, Mike Rollick.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, thank you. And I’m obviously not an attorney, so any factual stuff that we get wrong, we’re in a continual state of learning, I think all of us. And that’s why I practice asking a lot of questions and just trying to consider things and not judging. But I did write back. to the police spokesperson, you know, kind of media, I guess, public relations. I don’t know his exact title. But I did, you know, he sent me the policy for their use of block cameras. And I actually wrote back and asked him about what’s Section 460.7. And we can get into that a little bit. One of it One of the situations, 460.7E, they talk about third-party audits of the flock safety system that Arvada stores. And I thought that would be interesting to say, are the audits available, right? So you’ve got Arvada TD having their own private server storing certain types of data, and they have to go through their own audits. Would the audits be available? So I asked about that. And I did mention Skagit County ruling that we talked about, where in Washington, this stuff fits under open records now. So you could ask for footage of a flock safety camera or another style camera like that, Minuteman, whoever, and say, I’d like to see the footage from hours of here to here. Just because I want to, and it’s part of open record law. So I’m trying to see where we’re at. Colorado Freedom of Information Coalition said it fits under some kind of criminal procedures law right now. But with this new court ruling, I’m wondering if things might change. So I did ask about that there. um as well about the skagit county ruling and if arvada had considered that at all uh and then i asked for the footage that arvada is allowed to store on their private servers be available via a core request because now it’s not on flock safety system arvada downloaded it and so it I think it’s a pretty clear-cut case that they own that footage. They own the footage in the sense of their contract with Flock. I think we went through that last time where the agency has that footage where Flock Safety owns the IP for the technology and the message, right? But if Nevada is storing that, or any city is storing that on their own private servers, I would imagine then that should be part of the public core request paradigm, unless it’s being used for a specific… and I could understand that you wouldn’t want to let that out. But I mean, I think Senator Wyden was talking about billions upon billions in his letter he wrote of just license plates and cars, you know, Getting their pictures taken. Obviously, it’s not billions of cars, but it’s billions of times in a month because you might pass the same place every day. Add that with all the different cars going past. There’s quite a lot of license plates that are getting their pictures taken. That seems to me…
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that seems to me like that is a real assault upon private property rights and having all of this data and all these pictures on this. We’re going to continue the discussion with Mike Rollick. He is a very informed citizen. He took it upon himself to do so, and he’s right. really being a great watchdog over local, county, and state government, and also federal government as well. We’re watching our forests, and he’s also with the Ralston Valley Coalition. These important discussions happen because of our sponsors. And for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I saw someone had touched on the patent on YouTube, so I have to give credit. I was able to find it from that channel. Don’t remember the channel, but it was very nice that someone went that far in. It discusses the network that they envision. I just want to jump right in. It’s column six, because they’ll go by columns. Someone’s looking at this patent. Oh, by the way, I did kind of get my substat going again. So if anyone wants to search, I set up as reasonable expectations of transparency. And I also have one called mirthless perspectives.
SPEAKER 06 :
So one more time, give us the names on those. Again, those are not the easiest names to access. So what are they again?
SPEAKER 08 :
reasonable you know i’m trying to go with reasonable expectation of privacy but just switch it to transparency right so reasonable expectation of transparency okay and the other one that i put out with some of the fa stuff i worked on is called mirthless perspectives um you know credit to a uh a french fan for for that you know from back in the early 2000s i just i love that that title so um Yeah, so I’m back on Substack a little bit here. I think that’s important.
SPEAKER 06 :
Writing takes a lot of time, but I think that’s important because you are such a wealth of knowledge.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that and just trying to collaborate as well. It’s important because that’s how we all learn, and I really appreciate the kind words. But here it goes. Column 6, it says, Figures 1A to 1C collectively illustrate a surveillance scenario in which an embodiment of a dynamic surveillance and object-based query system, according to the solution, may be advantageously employed. Okay, so they go through it. Consider a burglary event in a neighborhood that employs a neighborhood watch system. The neighborhood watch system is a component network of a dynamic surveillance network. neighborhood watch system has geographic footprint that spans four blocks block four five and seven and eight they have pictures in here as well that we could we could post the burglary took place at the house mark x on block five and occurred sometime within a 24-hour period the neighborhood watch system leverages multiple neighborhood surveillance devices strategically located around the neighborhood and focused on the streets of the neighborhood well house x doesn’t have any sort of independent security system in place however in addition to the neighborhood watch system multiple houses in the neighborhood employ private home security systems sounds like ring that include video surveillance devices configured to capture footage associated with the respective premises okay and it goes on also a nearby traffic light intersection outside the geographic footprint of the neighborhood includes a traffic monitoring camera that captures video all any and all vehicles that pass through the intersection including a picture of the associated license plates where we heard that before the traffic monitoring camera forms its own component network within the dynamic surveillance network also a nearby convenience store outside the geographic footprint of neighborhood uses commercial security systems with video surveillance devices as well as each commercial security system forming its own network, again, within a dynamic surveillance network. Now, this sounds like what we’ve seen last week when we talked about Jefferson County having their agreement with Flock Camera to include HOAs, private businesses, and what have you. And it also sounds like the news that we saw about Ring. So we go on. Here’s the narrative. A pedestrian with a portable recording device frequently walks through the neighborhood. all of the exemplary surveillance devices are configured to record video and optionally upload the recorded footage to an embodiment of this dynamic surveillance and object-based query system according to the solution, whatever solution that is. Further, depending on a particular embodiment, exemplary surveillance devices may be uploaded, or sorry, may upload recorded footage for a first-time basis on an opt-in permission, which they’re asking people to opt in, and subsequently upload recorded footage at a request or command for the DSOQ, the dynamic system object query, right? Surveillance object query. In this way, embodiments of the solution may avoid upload and management of irrelevant or unneeded footage. So let’s see, if you opt in and then later on this system, the dynamic surveillance object space query needs something from your phone, it can ask your phone to automatically upload it. That’s a little weird. And so, and we go on. Figure A represents activity in the neighborhood at a time window N. During the window N, a red car entered the neighborhood between block 5 and block 8, drove straight through an exited neighborhood between block 4 and block 7. Fine, it just went through left. During the same window, a blue car entered the geographic footprint of the neighborhood between block 1 and block 4, turned left between block 4 and 5, drove straight through and exited. Red car was captured as video content by some of these different cameras. They list them by TMC1s. Similarly, blue car was also captured as video content by some cameras. Notably, the pedestrian manning PRD1, which would be, I guess, personal recording device 1, didn’t video blue car 1 due to recognizing the car and its driver as a local resident. That’s kind of frightening. So now this local resident is not recorded, but someone who’s visiting would be recorded. Just throwing that out there. So it goes on. By contrast, the pedestrian with his phone, PRD1, recorded a video of the red car. whether unintentionally while recording something else or intentionally when noticing the car was being driven slowly by the person the pedestrian didn’t recognize so isn’t that strange you’d have an opt-in system envisioned by flock to have people looking at who’s driving through the neighborhood and recording and uploading it to a third party system that can now provide alerts to the police it gets a little more into the weeds but you see where we’re going
SPEAKER 06 :
Boy, this whole surveillance system is under the guise of fighting crime, safety, and protection. But it can go south really, really fast, Mike Rollick.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it can because maybe I’m driving slowly through the neighborhood because I’m shopping for a home or looking for a garage sale. Or my friend told me, look for the red house past the blue house with the weird, you know, thing out by the mailbox. And I’m just driving slowly. Or I think there are kids playing. Any number of reasons I could be driving slowly, but pedestrian might record me. thinking, well, I don’t recognize this character, and then load me up to this system that’s based thousands of miles away and using AI to figure out if I have reasonable suspicion that I committed a crime in the neighborhood just because I drove through. This really kind of hits home when you hear this here it says as previously noted investigators relying on the prior art would have to independently seek out watch footage from each surveillance device of each component network over a given time window no piece of footage could go unwatched less of relevant content could be missed in this way users of the prior art may spend significant amounts of time identifying video sources and watching footage in an effort to identify relevant content Now it says, advantageously, as it will become more apparent from the illustrations and descriptions that follow, embodiments from this dynamic surveillance object-based query system may aggregate video footage collected from multiple independent component network sources, analyze the footage, that means probably AI, and store the footage based on results of the analysis. So the footage may be queried in the view of content, not just time location. So now let’s unpack that. They’re now storing footage because you might have some red flags, not because they actually know of a crime. Again, Fourth Amendment situation, Carpenter v. U.S., you can’t store this footage for more than seven days without a need. They want to store it for 30. And they’ll store it, look for some flags, and then later, if there was a crime, then an investigator can come and say, I’d like to see all your footage from X day, X time, and see if there’s any red flags. So now you’ve got a third-party company saying, flagging me possibly for like i said driving looking for this garage sale and now you’ve got some form of you know an element of reasonable reasonable suspicion about me just because i happen to be in the neighborhood that person manning that one cell phone didn’t recognize it this is a huge problem because the idea was you have no expectation of privacy in the public square But when that was written, they did not think about aggregate surveillance data being combed through AI and then being held waiting for a crime to have been reported.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so freedom, liberty, can be messy. And when we come down on the side of liberty, and in this case, not the surveillance state, so there may be some crimes that are committed. But we’ve solved crimes over all these years without this surveillance state. Now, granted, it could be somewhat helpful in maybe a few instances. But the… I would tend to agree, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
If I’m the victim of a crime and I’m the one dying on the street, say, horrible situation. Maybe then I might say, my gosh, I wish the system was in place. Or would I have the nerve to say, hey, I lived a free life. I lived a good life. And I think that’s a gut check that people need to make when looking at more and more surveillance state type of things. Yes, it might stop more crimes. It might stop more crimes, but we’re giving some of our personal sovereignty in a way of self-defense and just making good decisions, possibly, you know, about where not to be at 2 a.m. That could be part of it. Or just saying, you know, we have our neighborhood watch system set up or.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the other thing is, though, from a public policy standpoint here in Colorado, we’ve got a legislature and a governor that are letting criminals out. So under the guise of protecting citizens, protecting against crime, we put in this whole surveillance state. But yet we’ve got policies over here that are soft on crime. Those things don’t match up, Mike Rollick.
SPEAKER 08 :
There was a bill last year that was trying to reduce time that people would be in jail for level five and level six felonies. And when I looked into it and I think I did written testimony because, you know, we just don’t have the time to get to everything. And I talked to my rep about it. She was actually aghast that there’s a contingent that seems to think that incarceration doesn’t work at all. Incarceration can work in this one sense, in my view, that the person who has violent tendencies is now separated from people who don’t have violent tendencies. I will err on the side of that to make sure that the people who don’t have these violent tendencies and criminal tendencies will be safer by having the separation. However, when you look at level five and level six felonies, I believe. human trafficking was in there. And so I literally had to write in my email, is this something that you want to reduce? I mean, literally human trafficking. And the other side of it, too, is it might sound good, oh, this person only had a misdemeanor, but how many people have plead down to a lesser crime but still might have committed the higher crime but plead down, and then they’re the recipient of that lesser time in jail as well. And then a law comes through that says, well, if you only had a misdemeanor, we’re going to have to let you out even earlier because you’re running out of prison beds. And that’s what it was. It was a budgetary thing. And I’m really glad that that one failed. But it really shows the look, you know, a real hard look into what some people think. I’m not a criminal, you know, justice person or, you know, scientist or, you know, that kind of thing. But it just seems to me on the surface that if someone’s doing bad things, And if there is no way to rehabilitate them, you just need to keep them separated from other folks right now until we figure out a better way. They’re going to possibly hurt somebody. And then the victim’s rights are now gone.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s just common sense. So we’ve got one more segment with Mike Rolick. Before we do that, I did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation, which is one of the nonprofits that I truly support. Make a year-end tax-deductible contribution to support the Marine Memorial you’re supporting. The people that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives for our freedom. And also the Center for American Values in Pueblo. that is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and great educational programs focused on honor, integrity, and patriotism. And that website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. We will be right back.
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SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. We are pre-recording these shows for Christmas week. Pleased to have on the line with me Mike Rolick. He is a regular guest on the show, and he is a citizen who has just taken it upon himself to… to do research and to understand what’s going on. And it’s complicated. Sometimes it’s not very transparent, but we have a duty to do so. And Mike Rolick, you have really taken upon yourself to learn about these things. I used to think it was, and we have a coming in from one of our commercials, that I used to think it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, but it’s not. But it can be daunting, and sometimes I think it’s by design, that there are pages and pages and pages of things to go through. But to be informed, engaged citizens, we’ve all got to do our part and work together to shed light on what’s happening out there. Mike Rollick.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, I would agree. It starts to become formulaic, I think. If you start going to the city council or a planning commission or a county commissioner meeting, I say planning commission because they’re a volunteer, separate, but you start seeing how the basic rules go, right? There’ll be the minute approval, there’ll be the call to order, there’ll be a pledge of allegiance, thankfully. And then they’ll do new business, and you can get up and speak about new things and get it on the record. And then they’ll go through their agenda items, whether it’s consent agenda or stuff that’s going to be hashed out in that meeting, like a regular agenda item where we’re going to have testimony and what have you. Citizens get two or three minutes. The applicant or what have you gets their time to have closing remarks, and then there’ll be some kind of decision or vote, quasi-judicial process, right? So you saw that when you’re a city councilor. Then you start going to a Senate committee meeting. Same kind of process. The applicant at that point would be, say, the sponsor of a bill. The sponsor of a bill gets to show everything that they want to try to do within the bill, talk about the good points. Talk about potential amendments that came up that week and we can discuss those kind of thing. And then they get questions asked of them by the members of the committee and then they can answer as best they can. Then the public can maybe give some testimony. There’ll be pros and cons on the public side. And then there’ll be closing remarks and there’ll be some kind of decision. Maybe amendments first and they decide on the amendments. But it’s the same kind of playbook, right? And then you go watch maybe like a full Senate hearing or whatever. It’s the same kind of playbook. So all these different meetings start to kind of look similar. And I think that’s helpful. It’s kind of a tedious process to learn. But once you know the process, I feel like it’s easier to jump into a new discipline, see what the process is, see who the players are, and start looking at where you could fit in with your, you know, quote-unquote institutional knowledge, given like that Glow Park situation that we talked about. Because of other land use things I’ve dealt with at the city and the county, you could quickly look through and say, well, where is the real decision going to get made? capital development committee legislative committee happened to have some contacts in there was able to present there and obviously that is as of now not going forward it looks like it’s back to renewable energy fossil fuel energy that we clean or even grid resilience like we talked about so but the cool thing was because you learn the process you can then just say okay insert new subject, apply process, learn the minute differences, ask questions, and be open to learning. And it seems to work pretty well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the open to learning, being curious, and not being afraid to put on your thinking cap and really look at these issues is important. And I’m going to be traveling soon, and I’ve had it on my list of things to do. I’ve read the Declaration. I’ve read the Constitution. But my friend Brad Beck said, we need to read those. We need to read the Northwest Ordinance, the Gettysburg Address, which I’ve read. And so over this break, I am going to, while I’m on an airplane, read the Constitution so that I can recenter myself on these principles and reread the Declaration of Independence so that when we go in and are making comments, that we have a clear understanding of the proper role of government and then engage in this battle of ideas to get these principles institutions to get these politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties back into the proper role of government. And that is one of the key ways that we’re going to reclaim our state and reclaim our country, Mike Rolick.
SPEAKER 08 :
I would say that’s a great thing, but I would posit that some of us would need to then read the most current technical documents to and work with people who are centered in what you just described, right? Because if we all read founders at the same time, technology is going so fast. We need people who are the modern technological experts and we need the people who are grounded. in the principles at the same time working together. And someone could say, well, I’m the SME on, say, well, just say like flock safety. And someone else could say, well, I’m the SME on Fourth Amendment case law. And someone else could say, well, I’m the SME on why they wrote the Fourth Amendment in the first place. Let’s all sit in a room, learn from the person who read all the up-to-date technology, learn from the person who’s watching the case law or case precedent. I really should say it’s not law, it’s precedent. And then learn from the person who has done what you are going to do this time around and read founding documents. the three-legged stool approach could be most beneficial because the technology just flies past us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that’s an important point. So when I do my voter’s guide every year, I will read all of the, either the proposition or the amendments and certainly look at the current language on that and then go back to, or I should say not go back to, but then reclaim these principles and see how those things match up against the American idea and then make the case that to the voter on what it is to preserve their individual liberty and their prosperity. Mike Rolick, we have about 30 seconds left. This is always fascinating. And I really appreciate all that you’re doing for our fellow Coloradans. And I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 08 :
Merry Christmas to everybody. And Kim, thank you. Merry Christmas. Thanks for having me on this year. And I’m looking forward to an interesting legislative season next year and continued growth.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And our quote for the end of the show is from James Madison, who said, they accomplished a revolution which has no parallel in the annals of human society. They reared the fabrics of governments which had no model on the face of the globe. They formed the design of a great confederacy, which is incumbent on their successors to to improve and perpetuate and that’s what we’re called to do so my friends today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate listen well live honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like superman stand for truth justice and the american way my friends you are not alone god bless you and god bless america
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